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Heres a fun fact, Michigan State has more wins in the Big House than Rich Rod does against BIG TEN opponents. LOL
Not true. Were you so desperate in your attempt to troll that you decided to make things up?
ironman4579
10-11-2010, 07:45 PM
Thanks alot PL. I use the ignore feature and then you quote the guy.
It's funny actually, almost my enitre ignore list is made up of MSU fans. Weird.........
DrunkenLament
10-11-2010, 08:44 PM
Thanks alot PL. I use the ignore feature and then you quote the guy.
It's funny actually, almost my enitre ignore list is made up of MSU fans. Weird.........
!!!!! I had no idea I could ignore people!
ironman4579
10-11-2010, 09:39 PM
Yea, I don't use it much, but there are times it comes in handy.........
LOltheLions?
10-11-2010, 10:21 PM
Not true. Were you so desperate in your attempt to troll that you decided to make things up?
you know what..you're right. Rodriguez has 3 wins against Big Ten opponents in the Big House, and Dantonio has 2 wins in the Big House. My bad :)
LOL
And this isn't trolling you virgin. This is a rivalry. Im a MSU grad and i hate Michigan with every inch of my body. And how sweet it is for "little brother" to spank that ass 3 years straight. That should get a few more top Michigan recruits on our side. Thank you Rich Rod.
ironman4579
10-12-2010, 11:20 AM
This is an excellent blogpost from Genuinely Sarcastic. I'm sure the MGoblog crowd will flip out, especially since Brian linked to it, but I think you'd have to be a blind RR fluffer to disagree with just about anything he says here.
http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.com/2010/10/disillusionment.html
ironman4579
10-16-2010, 06:10 PM
Would anyone really be upset if we just fired Rodriguez now instead of after the season? Yea we'd lose some recruits, but so what? The guys that were going to come to Michigan regardless will stay, and the other ones will leave anyway when RR is (hopefully) fired at the end of the season.
Silver & Blue
10-16-2010, 10:53 PM
I was at the game today and it was nothing but sloppy play in the first half. Our defense looked good at first and Kenny Demens was doing pretty good, but the things just went downhill very quickly. If Michigan would have put in the effort in the first half that they did in the second half, then we might have won that game. But I am leaning towards firing RichRod now and trying as hard as we can to get Jim Harbough. If this happens, history will be beginning to repeat itself. What I mean by that is back in the 60s when we had Bump Elliot we were a pretty sub par team for the most part. Then Michigan got Bo Schembechler to replace Elliot after he resigned. Jim Harbough could be our next Schembechler. He was also coached under Bo at Michigan and I love the attitude he has how he just likes to crush the teams he hates. I said I would give RichRod three years and right now he is on his third year and it seems like nothing has really improved since the past year.
ironman4579
10-16-2010, 11:05 PM
The sad thing is, the only reason that game was as close as it was is Iowa went into old school mode and played prevent defense and ultra conservative offense from about halfway through the third quarter on.
Michigan has only beaten two teams who finished with a winning record during RichRod's tenure at Michigan, and that was a 7-6 Wisconsin team and 7-6 Minnesota team, both during the 2008 season.
I was at the game today and it was nothing but sloppy play in the first half. Our defense looked good at first and Kenny Demens was doing pretty good, but the things just went downhill very quickly. If Michigan would have put in the effort in the first half that they did in the second half, then we might have won that game. But I am leaning towards firing RichRod now and trying as hard as we can to get Jim Harbough. If this happens, history will be beginning to repeat itself. What I mean by that is back in the 60s when we had Bump Elliot we were a pretty sub par team for the most part. Then Michigan got Bo Schembechler to replace Elliot after he resigned. Jim Harbough could be our next Schembechler. He was also coached under Bo at Michigan and I love the attitude he has how he just likes to crush the teams he hates. I said I would give RichRod three years and right now he is on his third year and it seems like nothing has really improved since the past year.
Don't be silly, Rich Rodriguez is our Bo Schembechler. Don't you read MGoBlog or Go Blue Wolverine?
Xiomera
10-17-2010, 12:49 PM
I hope we lose the rest of the games so we can fire RichRod.
Silver & Blue
10-17-2010, 01:24 PM
Don't be silly, Rich Rodriguez is our Bo Schembechler. Don't you read MGoBlog or Go Blue Wolverine?
LOL, Yeah the guys over there are some of the biggest kool aid drinkers I have ever seen. Don't get me wrong, I will support Michigan no matter what, but I can't blindly defend a coaching staff.
Marino13
10-18-2010, 02:40 PM
so hypothetically speaking, if Rod is fired, whose on your guys's shortlist? Jim Harbaugh is probably an obvious answer, but here's a top 5 list I thought of guys I'd take.
1.Harbaugh
2.Greg Schiano
3.Brady Hoke (Michigan ties)
4.Kevin Sumlin (Midwest ties)
5.Randy Edsall
Silver & Blue
10-18-2010, 02:51 PM
I personally want Jim Harbaugh and nobody else. However if we can't get Harbough, then I think we are in trouble. Because this program doesn't look as attractive to coaches as it did three years ago.
Marino13
10-18-2010, 03:04 PM
I personally want Jim Harbough and nobody else. However if we can't get Harbough, then I think we are in trouble. Because this program doesn't look as attractive to coaches as it did three years ago.
I dunno man. I'm not going to try and overrate the players, but there is some young talent on Michigan on both sides of the ball.
DrunkenLament
10-18-2010, 03:58 PM
I personally want Jim Harbough and nobody else. However if we can't get Harbough, then I think we are in trouble. Because this program doesn't look as attractive to coaches as it did three years ago.
The appeal of the NFL is too strong for Jim Harbough to ignore in my opinion, and if he has any desire to go to the NFL in the near future he will probably turn down the Michigan job out of respect for the university.
Silver & Blue
10-18-2010, 05:08 PM
He could go to the NFL and he might be good there. But there is a risk associated with transitioning from college to the NFL. You have to wonder if he will take that risk. But I think it might be too hard for him to pass up what some college coaches would call a dream job.
tblain1
10-19-2010, 03:26 PM
He could go to the NFL and he might be good there. But there is a risk associated with transitioning from college to the NFL. You have to wonder if he will take that risk. But I think it might be too hard for him to pass up what some college coaches would call a dream job.
Harbaugh was the first name that came to my mind. He could be a good NFL coach too, so I could see that being the draw but hasn't he turned down some NFL jobs already?
But yeah... whoever is the next coach, it would be nice to them make Michigan a "Michigan Football" team again as opposed to using the spread. I just always enjoyed watching Michigan run a pro-style offense, relishing in the fact that they were building up NFL players. I feel like now we are building up punt returners and wild cats on top of losing to teams we used to beat on a yearly basis.
My list pretty much only consists of Jim Harbaugh. I don't know who I'd want if he turned down the job for whatever reason. I guess the second guy I would call is Kirk Ferentz, even if he'd turn the job down again. It's worth a shot, right? I wouldn't mind interviewing Kevin Sumlin, to see where that goes. Mark Richt might be available. The Dawgs have seriously underachieved these past two years but his overall resume stacks up pretty good. As much as I've soured on him, Les Miles would still be an upgrade; he'd be farther down my list though.
ironman4579
10-19-2010, 11:22 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have a feeling that Michigan will somehow squeak out a win against a massively depleted Penn State team and a massively depleted Purdue team, leaving as at 7-5 and, unfortunately, saving RR's job. The Mgo crowd will be predicting a 10+ win season in 2011.
We'll then go like 6-6 or 7-5 against an easy schedule, and Rod will be fired. Harbaugh will have already been hired by someone else, and we'll have to settle for Brady Hoke or something.
Whoever the new coach is will have to come in 2012 against an extremely difficult schedule (@Alabama, @ Nebraska, @ Ohio State) have a mediocre record, and the Mgo crowd will by crying about how we should have kept Rodriguez, because he would have won a National Championship.
I will then go on a massive rant there which will cause me to be banned, and I will finally be at peace.
Marino13
10-20-2010, 10:20 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have a feeling that Michigan will somehow squeak out a win against a massively depleted Penn State team and a massively depleted Purdue team, leaving as at 7-5 and, unfortunately, saving RR's job. The Mgo crowd will be predicting a 10+ win season in 2011.
We'll then go like 6-6 or 7-5 against an easy schedule, and Rod will be fired. Harbaugh will have already been hired by someone else, and we'll have to settle for Brady Hoke or something.
Whoever the new coach is will have to come in 2012 against an extremely difficult schedule (@Alabama, @ Nebraska, @ Ohio State) have a mediocre record, and the Mgo crowd will by crying about how we should have kept Rodriguez, because he would have won a National Championship.
I will then go on a massive rant there which will cause me to be banned, and I will finally be at peace.
well if it makes you feel any better, word is that David Brandon is taking notes on the season and even if he doesnt fire Rod, he will DEMAND changes to the coaching staff and how Rod runs the program (ie staying away from the defense)
Silver & Blue
10-20-2010, 11:43 AM
well if it makes you feel any better, word is that David Brandon is taking notes on the season and even if he doesnt fire Rod, he will DEMAND changes to the coaching staff and how Rod runs the program (ie staying away from the defense)
That sounds good if it is true. It just seems like RichRod is too stubborn to cut ties with some of his position coaches. I hope David Brandon forces him to get rid of Tony Gibson at the end of the season.
Maybe Next Year Millen2
10-22-2010, 01:23 PM
I will be at the Penn State/Michigan game in my Halloween costume. So if you see a chicken in the stands that is me.
Go State.
End transmission.
This. Is. Pathetic.
But Rod just needs more time, right?
Brodeur
10-30-2010, 09:08 PM
I think an after the game press conference firing would be terrific.
Silver & Blue
10-30-2010, 11:17 PM
When they showed RichRod on camera near the end of the game, you could just tell that he was about to cry. I kind of feel bad for him since I don't think he fully knew what he was exactly getting into when he came here. But I think it is time to move on and go after Jim Harbaugh. The only game that we have a realistic chance at winning would be against Purdue and thats only because the have been hurt by injuries.
ironman4579
10-31-2010, 02:26 AM
It's time. Well, it was time after the Illinois loss last year, and it was time after the Purdue loss last year, and it was time after the MSU loss this year. But it's definately time. The Mgobloggers and their ilk can cry about how Carr left the program in ruins and how Rod just needs a little longer, but I'm sorry, it's over. Rod just clearly can't get it done at Michigan. Time to go after Harbaugh.
In two games against KENT STATE and TEMPLE Penn State scored a combined 46 points. In one game against Michigan, with their backup quarterback, they scored 41 points.
Xiomera
10-31-2010, 05:20 PM
Everyone ought to be rocking my sig right now.
Silver & Blue
10-31-2010, 06:27 PM
Nevermind I guess they have refuted the Greg Robinson rumor.
tblain1
11-01-2010, 01:35 PM
This. Is. Pathetic.
But Rod just needs more time, right?
He doesn't need more time. He needs less time. This is coming from a fan of his from more than 10 years ago.
When he first came to the Wolverines I was excited. I grew up a U of M fan but I went to Tulane. He was the offensive coordinator and Tommy Bowden was the head coach when we undefeated in my junior year (1998-9). After Bowden left for Clemson everyone wanted RichRod to get offered the head coaching position. Our defense wasn't the strong side of the ball and the offense was blowing everyone away. We had a horrible AD who went out and got Georgia's running backs coach, Chris Selfo -- needless to say we lost all momentum we had gained after in the bowden/rodrigues years when Scelfo was hired and now we are back to being bottom feeders but thats another story...
After he had success in West Virginia it seemed that he was legitimate and I was very excited when he signed with Michigan. But over the years all of my enthusiasm and optimism for the guy has waned. Personality aside, he is not winning. He has had time to recruit his guys, and still can't play with the middle of the pack, let alone the big boys. And the Michigan identity is missing completely. I'm sure if we were winning I wouldn't care but I miss, "beefy 300lb linemen, 4 yards and a cloud of dust, pro style 6-5 QBs, WRs wearing #1, Defensive linemen who clog holes, LBs who hit helmet to helmet on goalline stands, and putting 5-10 guys in the NFL draft a year."
Even if he beats OSU (highly, HIGHLY unlikely) I think he is done this year. Scratch that...HOPE he is done this year. Experiment failed. Harbaugh is #1, but if not him we need to find a pro-style coach who knows how to build a Michigan football team.
Silver & Blue
11-01-2010, 07:13 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5752667
So basically RichRod is saying, "If I'm going down, I'm taking all of you with me."
I'm glad Dave Brandon will have a look at it at the end of the season, since he probably doesn't want to make it more messy then it already is.
Silver & Blue
11-06-2010, 02:55 PM
Well, since we won this game we are finally bowl eligible and we will probably beat Purdue next week also. I just want to go on record just to say that I still think Harbaugh is a better coach and that opinion probably won't ever change. But we got lucky that Illinois' defense didn't show up today.
ironman4579
11-06-2010, 03:11 PM
Basically that was nothing more than luck. I mean, I like to win of course. Unfortunately, this win may have saved RR's job. I too absolutely believe Harbaugh is the far better coach (and recruiter).
I will say this. If Rodriguez would just hire a DC, let him pick his own guys (by allowing to fire all of RR's buddies that he brought in), let him run his own defensive scheme, and just stay the **** out of his way, I might be willing to give him 2011 to see what he can do. If he's not willing to do that, get the **** out.
And if he doesn't get at least 10 wins next year, get the **** out again.
Silver & Blue
11-06-2010, 03:47 PM
I will say this. If Rodriguez would just hire a DC, let him pick his own guys (by allowing to fire all of RR's buddies that he brought in), let him run his own defensive scheme, and just stay the **** out of his way, I might be willing to give him 2011 to see what he can do. If he's not willing to do that, get the **** out.
Amen to that. That is one of the things I hate most about RichRod. RichRod was never a defensive oriented coach, so I don't know why he thinks he should be involved in it in the first place.
Xiomera
11-06-2010, 05:09 PM
Can we demote RichRod to offensive coordinator and hire a real coach?
Silver & Blue
11-06-2010, 08:40 PM
Can we demote RichRod to offensive coordinator and hire a real coach?
I was actually thinking about that a couple weeks ago. That way we would be able to keep the spread, but we would be able to get a real head coach. RichRod would never do it though.
Xiomera
11-06-2010, 09:02 PM
RichRod is the new Matt Millen.
Marino13
11-06-2010, 09:58 PM
as bad as the defense still is, some of the young guys like Vinopal, Avery, Demens, and Roh now at DE instead of LB showed signs of being solid players.
Still not in Rod's corner, but I will agree that if we get a DC (GRob or other) and let them do their own thing, I'd be more forgiving. Or you know keep people at one position.
Xiomera
11-06-2010, 10:26 PM
RichRod doesn't have a strong recruiting class coming in. I see no reason to keep him.
Silver & Blue
11-06-2010, 10:42 PM
This recruiting should be better then it is. Hopefully if we win against Purdue Michigan will start looking better to recruits. Since winning and program stability sounds like recruits biggest concerns. For example, Deanthony Arnett didn't have us listed because he was concerned about our record. But since we have a winning record he is looking at us a lot more now. He actually visited for the Illinois game today and people that saw him said it looked like he was having a good time. One recruit I want right now is Hasean-Clinton Dix. It would be nice if Dee was able to convince him to come to Michigan since we need a natural safety back there. I'm getting sick of this LB/S hybrid crap.
srv fan
11-07-2010, 10:41 AM
I am super frustrated with Rod as well, but my main concern is what coach is going to give us the best chance to win in 2011 and beyond. And while this season (actually, the past 3 years as a whole) have been incredibly frustrating, the offensive buzzsaw RR has built* means we are an average - not even good, just AVERAGE - defense away from being a national title contender in 2011. We already have one of the best offenses in the country, we lose almost no one, and we bring in one of the top RB recruits in the country to fill literally the ONLY offensive weak spot. Auburn and Oregon are going to play for the BCS championship with that exact formula of unstoppable offense and okay defense. Given that, I think our chances of success by firing almost everyone on the defensive coaching staff, spending major $$$ to bring in proven d-coordinators and position coaches, and having Dave Brandon tell RR to shut the **** up and let them do what they want are a lot higher than getting rid of RR and spending the next 3 years reshaping our personnel to fit a pro-style Harbaugh team. One year turnarounds from awful to average defenses can and have been accomplished from coaching changes. Koening at Illinois and K-State, Shafer at Syracuse (/facepalm), etc. If we can make that happen, we are in great shape for the future.
I have no particular love or hate for RR, I just want to see us be good again.
* don't even try to use the "it's just Denard" argument. Without RRs system, without RRs coaching, without our massively improved offensive line, and without the major improvement our receivers have made, Denard isn't OMG DENARD OMG and we aren't number 2 in the country in yardage per game. Obviously Denard is tremendously talented, a great kid, hard worker, etc. but he and RR are symbiotic. RRs offense doesnt work without Denard, and Denard can't be a QB in anything other than a run-based spread.
Xiomera
11-07-2010, 12:02 PM
We lose offensive lineman. I don't think RichRod has brought in anyone that's any good on the OLine.
srv fan
11-07-2010, 01:27 PM
We lose offensive lineman. I don't think RichRod has brought in anyone that's any good on the OLine.
I said we lose "almost" no one. Schilling and Dorrestein are gone, that's it.
RR hasn't brought in any good offense lineman?! Omameh and Lewan are already good starters, and have years left to get even better. Out of guys who don't get playing time yet (which isn't a sign they're bad, or that they're good; lineman typically need more time to physically mature and develop than other positions, so the jury is still out on them):
Christian Pace: 3 star, #7 center nationally
Michael Schofield, 4-star, #18 OT nationally
Quinton Washington, 4 star, #8 guard nationally (probably will switch to d-line)
Will Campbell: 5-star #3 DT nationally (probably will switch to o-line, where hewas recruited by literally everyone in the country)
Ricky Barnum: 4 star, #5 center nationally
Recruiting rankings aren't perfect and you can drudge up examples of guys being over or under rated, but they are fairly good for assessing aggregate talent. RR is consistently bringing in high quality OL recuits, and as I mentioned two of them are already good, so there's some evidence to suggest they're developing well. If there is one position group where you can't say RR has failed, it's o-line.
DBs and LBs... that's a whole 'nother story, and if/when he gets fired that will be the reason. We have so little talent and such horrible coaching at those positions its frightening.
Xiomera
11-07-2010, 01:32 PM
I refuse to believe RichRod has recruited well enough to keep a job. We have no defense.
srv fan
11-07-2010, 01:43 PM
I will say this. If Rodriguez would just hire a DC, let him pick his own guys (by allowing to fire all of RR's buddies that he brought in), let him run his own defensive scheme, and just stay the **** out of his way, I might be willing to give him 2011 to see what he can do. If he's not willing to do that, get the **** out.
And if he doesn't get at least 10 wins next year, get the **** out again.
Agree, except for the RR choosing the coordinator part. He clearly has demonstrated he is not a defensive coach and does not have the capability to assess defensive coaches' competency. RR has lost the right to have a say in who will be the new DC; Dave Brandon should pick one, and if RR doesn't like it, tough luck. He already ran off the best defensive coordinator we've had in recent years (Shafer) by micromanaging him and making him run completely asinine schemes.
srv fan
11-07-2010, 01:48 PM
I refuse to believe RichRod has recruited well enough to keep a job. We have no defense.
Hard to argue with the no defense part, and firing RR is definitely a legitimate option that a lot of people also share.
I just think that it's easier to improve the defense than it is to reverse 3 years of radical personnel and scheme changes and risk falling into the Notre Dame zone.
Xiomera
11-07-2010, 02:15 PM
Hard to argue with the no defense part, and firing RR is definitely a legitimate option that a lot of people also share.
I just think that it's easier to improve the defense than it is to reverse 3 years of radical personnel and scheme changes and risk falling into the Notre Dame zone.
You don't necessarily need a radical change on offense. You need a different head coach that runs a spread offense.
srv fan
11-07-2010, 02:38 PM
You don't necessarily need a radical change on offense. You need a different head coach that runs a spread offense.
... and is a good defensive coach, or one who brings along a great defensive staff. Otherwise, there's no difference between that, and keeping RR but overhauling the defensive staff; we'd still be an explosive offense with an awful defense. How many run-spread coaches are as good offensively as RR, AND consistently turn out >average defenses? Not many.
I still think it's way easier, less disruptive, and has a higher chance of success to poach good defensive coaches and graft them onto Rodriguez's staff than it is to completely change coaching staffs.
I thought you were a Jim Harbaugh fan, anyways? He's about as pro-style as they come. And I do think he's a good coach, but there's no way we would get through that transition without massive turmoil for a year or three, and like I said before I think that puts us dangerously close to ND territory.
Xiomera
11-07-2010, 03:03 PM
I want Harbaugh, yes. I am not saying I prefer to bring in a new spread coach, but it works well enough for me.
It's not like RichRod is a really good coach when it comes to game management and making adjustments. He's got a lot of flaws.
Marino13
11-07-2010, 03:03 PM
Rod hasn't been a great recruiter (way to willing and eager to offer kids who aren't Big 10 quality too early) but he has brought in talent. They have to get better development, but they aren't horrible
ironman4579
11-07-2010, 03:54 PM
I thought you were a Jim Harbaugh fan, anyways? He's about as pro-style as they come. And I do think he's a good coach, but there's no way we would get through that transition without massive turmoil for a year or three, and like I said before I think that puts us dangerously close to ND territory.
I've never really bought this argument. Going from a spread to a pro style offense is far easier than going from pro to spread, especially RR's spread, which is known to be extremely complicated. You've also got to watch some Stanford games. Yes, Harbaugh is a pro style guy. However, he adapts to the players he has. Stanford has thrown the ball far more this year with an experienced Andrew Luck than they did last year. Hell, they've rolled out the read option on occasion.
Stanford's offense this year is far closer to a Patriots or Colts style offense than a Lloyd Carr offense.
I also think people seem to believe that just because we had mass transfers when Rod came in, we'll have them with any coaching change, which is just not the case. Plenty of coaches come in and don't lose 15-20 guys to transfer. I think it's a leap to suggest that would happen (not saying you are, just that always seems to be part of the argument).
Finally, we absolutely have the players to run a pro style offense (again, not that you're saying that, but that again is always part of the argument against a coaching change. Devin Gardner is prototypical size for a pro style QB. We have two running backs that are 6'0" + and over 200 pounds. Even Dee Hart will likely be 200 pounds by the time he gets on campus. We have plenty of big, fast wide receivers. And I'm pretty sure big, athletic linemen can play in any system.
About the only key offensive guy I could see having trouble is Denard, and yeah that sucks. But he's also a fantastic athlete. Even if he can't win the QB's job (and let's be realistic here. He's already said he wants to be a QB in the NFL, and he'd have a better shot if he was in a pro style offense) he good enough to be a Reggie Bush/Dexter McCluster type of guy. You make sure he gets 15-20 touches a game at RB/WR/QB/KR/PR and watch him go.
Ideally, you hire a top DC, let him choose his own coaches, tell Rod to stay the hell away from him, and see what you get in 2011. However, if Rod isn't willing/able to do that, I don't think we'd have a tremendous problem in switching to a pro style offense.
If the entire defensive staff is fired and Dave Brandon hires the new defensive coordinator and lets him hires his own assistants, I will give Rod one more year. Anything short of that and I want him gone.
Marino13
11-08-2010, 02:58 PM
Dee Hart jumped up in Rivals rankings from 40 something to 17 and is the highest ranked 4* player in the country, and will probably get a 5* when all is said and done.
3 other Michigan recruits who have been gaining a lot of steam are Dellonte Hollowell (only real knock is he's small), Brennan Beyer, and Kellen Jones
Silver & Blue
11-08-2010, 02:58 PM
If the entire defensive staff is fired and Dave Brandon hires the new defensive coordinator and lets him hires his own assistants, I will give Rod one more year. Anything short of that and I want him gone.
That is pretty much what I want. RR was never a defensive orientated coach, so I don't know why he is pushing his own assistants onto a defensive coordinator who knows much more then RR about defense. I think Scott Shafer left Michigan because of RichRod's defensive assistants.
Scott Shafer left Michigan because Rod forced his ****** assistants and ****** scheme onto him and then threw him under the bus when things went bad. It's no coincidence that Syracuse has a much, much better defense than we do despite having less than half the talent that we do.
tonykart
11-18-2010, 09:13 PM
Why do people want to give Rich Rod one more year? What has he done to deserve it? His draft classes are getting progressively worse. Our best players are still Lloyd guys or life-time Michigan fans (free recruit).
Rodriguez has done the impossible... he has taken a 10 win a season football team, the winningest program in NCAA history, and made it an absolute joke.
Our linebackers: Ezeh, Mouton, Roh and Fitzgerald aren't a bad group. But, under Rich Rod they are some of the worst on the planet. The frightening this is this: If we are this bad with above average talent, imagine how terrible we will be when Rodriguez' recruits start to play at LB. How many 210 pounders will Big Ten RBs trample the next few seasons.
Fire this loser now. Let him go gimmick out on some second rate school. Bring in Harbaugh or Miles (who should have been brought in three years ago) and lets get back to what Michigan used to do best... win.
tonykart
11-18-2010, 09:25 PM
[QUOTE=ironman4579;2370382]About the only key offensive guy I could see having trouble is Denard, and yeah that sucks. But he's also a fantastic athlete. Even if he can't win the QB's job (and let's be realistic here. He's already said he wants to be a QB in the NFL, and he'd have a better shot if he was in a pro style offense) he good enough to be a Reggie Bush/Dexter McCluster type of guy. You make sure he gets 15-20 touches a game at RB/WR/QB/KR/PR and watch him go. [QUOTE]
I agree with the other paragraphs, but I chose to respond to only this one.
The hell with Denard as a QB. What did he do against a good team? Nothing but throw pick after pick. Denard is a WR/RB tweener. He is not durable enough, big enough, or smart enough to play as a QB in the NFL. And who cares about that anyways?! All I care about is Michigan winning, and this Michigan team is not good enough.
Bring Harbaugh in, struggle for another year and watch how quickly we start to play better... just watch. Watch what happens when we have a coach who can recruit, and who can manage the three facets of the game.
I know everyone is terrified about a coaching change. How scarred do you think those four-toothed hicks to the south were when they hired a guy from Youngstown St? College Football is all about coaching. Right now we have an offensive coordinator coaching an entire football team.
Please Michigan fans, don't buy into the "improvement" mumbo-jumbo. Please don't confuse a team that is better with a team that is good.
ironman4579
11-18-2010, 10:26 PM
[QUOTE=ironman4579;2370382]About the only key offensive guy I could see having trouble is Denard, and yeah that sucks. But he's also a fantastic athlete. Even if he can't win the QB's job (and let's be realistic here. He's already said he wants to be a QB in the NFL, and he'd have a better shot if he was in a pro style offense) he good enough to be a Reggie Bush/Dexter McCluster type of guy. You make sure he gets 15-20 touches a game at RB/WR/QB/KR/PR and watch him go. [QUOTE]
I agree with the other paragraphs, but I chose to respond to only this one.
The hell with Denard as a QB. What did he do against a good team? Nothing but throw pick after pick. Denard is a WR/RB tweener. He is not durable enough, big enough, or smart enough to play as a QB in the NFL. And who cares about that anyways?! All I care about is Michigan winning, and this Michigan team is not good enough.
Bring Harbaugh in, struggle for another year and watch how quickly we start to play better... just watch. Watch what happens when we have a coach who can recruit, and who can manage the three facets of the game.
I know everyone is terrified about a coaching change. How scarred do you think those four-toothed hicks to the south were when they hired a guy from Youngstown St? College Football is all about coaching. Right now we have an offensive coordinator coaching an entire football team.
Please Michigan fans, don't buy into the "improvement" mumbo-jumbo. Please don't confuse a team that is better with a team that is good.
I probably should have been more specific. I really couldn't care less what position Denard plays. Realistically, he won't be playing QB in the NFL, so he'd actually be better off moving now. My only point was that IF he happened to be the best QB on the team, then I'd think most people would want the best player to play.
And I really don't think anyone is saying Michigan is a good team. In fact I know most, if not all Michigan fans on this board are not fans of RR and are under no delusions that this team is good. Based on results, this team is still far closer to the bad teams in the conference than the good ones (barely beating bad teams, getting rocked by good/decent ones).
Silver & Blue
11-27-2010, 02:21 PM
The sad thing about this is that OSU could have easily put up 60+ points on us. Also, gentlemen may I present to you, Jim Harbaugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL0C4dT3-pU
It looks like the Texas Bowl or TicketCity Bowl for Michigan. Missouri, Baylor, Texas Tech, and K-State look like possible opponents for Michigan. I think Rod is gone regardless, but I think a big blow-out win is needed in the Bowl game in order for Brandon to even consider the possibility of keeping him.
Marino13
11-27-2010, 03:21 PM
It looks like the Texas Bowl or TicketCity Bowl for Michigan. Missouri, Baylor, Texas Tech, and K-State look like possible opponents for Michigan. I think Rod is gone regardless, but I think a big blow-out win is needed in the Bowl game in order for Brandon to even consider the possibility of keeping him.
yeah it's becoming more and more clear that Brandon wants Rod gone. I think he genuinely was willing to give Rod a shot, but the fact we aren't even competitive against Penn State, OSU, and Wisconsin let alone not beating them or Sparty (or Iowa) is too much for a true Michigan man. That and the alumni don't want Rod.
Silver & Blue
11-27-2010, 09:19 PM
Just came across a VERY interesting rumor about the coaching situation.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-shannon-out-miami
It makes sense if this ends up being true because I think RichRod would do better in the ACC then in the Big Ten. I just don't know if everything would happen this quickly.
ironman4579
11-27-2010, 10:37 PM
Just came across a VERY interesting rumor about the coaching situation.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-shannon-out-miami
It makes sense if this ends up being true because I think RichRod would do better in the ACC then in the Big Ten. I just don't know if everything would happen this quickly.
I would cry from happiness if this actually happened.
Silver & Blue
11-28-2010, 12:32 AM
The "well connected" alum, sounds like he knew about the firing of Randy Shannon at Miami before it even got out. So either he can predict things very well or he truly does have great (and legit) inside information.
Marino13
11-28-2010, 12:35 AM
I would cry from happiness if this actually happened.
so I watched The Game today with an OSU fan and he said that the Rod hire reminds him a lot of the Bill Callahan hire at Nebraska. In a lot of ways I see the comparisons.
Silver & Blue
11-28-2010, 12:38 AM
It will really be interesting if that rumor goes the way it was said. Because if all of this does happen exactly how it was said, then that would be a very smooth transition for us. Miami gets RichRod and we get our guy Harbaugh, it is almost too perfect
ironman4579
11-28-2010, 12:59 AM
so I watched The Game today with an OSU fan and he said that the Rod hire reminds him a lot of the Bill Callahan hire at Nebraska. In a lot of ways I see the comparisons.
I absolutely see the comparison. About the only differences I see are that Rod had success at the college level prior to taking the job, and that Callahan actually had some success at Nebraska. Hopefully Brandon is smart enough to get rid of Rodriguez before it ends up like Callahan's last season at Nebraska.
Silver & Blue
11-28-2010, 01:03 AM
I absolutely see the comparison. About the only differences I see are that Rod had success at the college level prior to taking the job, and that Callahan actually had some success at Nebraska. Hopefully Brandon is smart enough to get rid of Rodriguez before it ends up like Callahan's last season at Nebraska.
If Brandon doesn't get rid of RichRod (since it is the perfect time too and finding a coach is all about timing) then I will start questioning his abilities. I know he wants to see progress and not wins and losses. But I can tell you for a fact that this team has taken a big step back defensively and we are still seeing the same mistakes committed by this team that we did three years ago.
Marino13
11-28-2010, 01:07 AM
If Brandon doesn't get rid of RichRod (since it is the perfect time too and finding a coach is all about timing) then I will start questioning his abilities. I know he wants to see progress and not wins and losses. But I can tell you for a fact that this team has taken a big step back defensively and we are still seeing the same mistakes committed by this team that we did three years ago.
Brandon's big thing is not doing what most new ADs do and jump the gun. I can almost promise you there will be some type of changes to Michigan's coaching staff, but I don't know what all the changes will be.
The Big thing with Brandon is he is a former Michigan player and a graduate so he knows what the school wants
Silver & Blue
11-28-2010, 01:16 AM
The Big thing with Brandon is he is a former Michigan player and a graduate so he knows what the school wants
But it also seems like most of the school (and fans) want Harbaugh. Hopefully Brandon will make the right decision, so for now I will put my trust in him.
Marino13
11-28-2010, 01:28 AM
But it also seems like most of the school (and fans) want Harbaugh. Hopefully Brandon will make the right decision, so for now I will put my trust in him.
well another rumor is that Rod will be gone by Monday
Silver & Blue
11-28-2010, 01:29 AM
well another rumor is that Rod will be gone by Monday
I thought that rumor was dismissed by Dave Brandon a couple of days ago.
ironman4579
11-28-2010, 01:31 AM
Brandon's big thing is not doing what most new ADs do and jump the gun. I can almost promise you there will be some type of changes to Michigan's coaching staff, but I don't know what all the changes will be.
The Big thing with Brandon is he is a former Michigan player and a graduate so he knows what the school wants
I don't really consider it jumping the gun when he hasn't even managed a .500 season in conference yet. If you can find a coach who ended up being elite without posting at least one .500 in conference season in his first three years, I'd love to see it, because I haven't found one yet.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but it would be almost unheard of since at least like the 1960's.
Silver & Blue
11-28-2010, 01:37 AM
He hasn't even been able to beat a big ten team that finished with a winning record. So he is 0-12 right now on that.
tonykart
11-29-2010, 06:22 AM
If Harbaugh turns down Michigan and Les Myles is truly never coming here then Rich Rodriguez and Bill Martin's secret plan to destroy the university of Michigan is truly complete.
If Rich Rod isn't canned, Brandon can't be taken seriously. Any coach could get the recruiting classes and results he's getting, without the freak show.
tonykart
12-05-2010, 07:22 AM
Ok... there is no way Rich Rod can stay after that pathetic display of emotions at the recent banquet. Please fire this joker.
Newbs24
12-11-2010, 10:19 PM
Ok... there is no way Rich Rod can stay after that pathetic display of emotions at the recent banquet. Please fire this joker.
Raise Me Up.
Silver & Blue
01-02-2011, 01:47 PM
Dee Hart has dropped Michigan.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/dee-hart-officially-gone
I'm guessing RichRod will be gone by January 4th or 5th.
DrunkenLament
01-04-2011, 01:59 PM
Dee Hart has dropped Michigan.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/dee-hart-officially-gone
I'm guessing RichRod will be gone by January 4th or 5th.
Nailed it. RichRod fired!
http://detnews.com/article/20110104/SPORTS0201/101040404/Report--Michigan-coach-Rich-Rodriguez-has-been-fired
And with the Harbaugh going to the NFL rumors do you think we'll settle for Brady Hoke?
tblain1
01-04-2011, 04:17 PM
Nailed it. RichRod fired!
http://detnews.com/article/20110104/SPORTS0201/101040404/Report--Michigan-coach-Rich-Rodriguez-has-been-fired
And with the Harbaugh going to the NFL rumors do you think we'll settle for Brady Hoke?
Thats the talk on the town. He isn't the sexy pick (all 250+ lbs of him) but who knows. Harbaugh didn't seem like a sexy pick 3 years ago. At least Hoke is part of the Michigan lineage. He is a defensive guy. I gotta imagine he will work the team back into a pro style offense...or I should say I hope.
Can someone fill me on on Brady Hoke/Jeff Garlin/Mike Golic? I haven't quite followed Ball State and SDSU. I know he was on our coaching staff before, but what's his deal? Defensive or Offensive minded? Is he crazy? I want a crazy coach. I want someone who won't dismiss the Ohio State and Michigan State games as "just another game".. that bothered me when RichRod did that.
ironman4579
01-04-2011, 05:41 PM
Can someone fill me on on Brady Hoke/Jeff Garlin/Mike Golic? I haven't quite followed Ball State and SDSU. I know he was on our coaching staff before, but what's his deal? Defensive or Offensive minded? Is he crazy? I want a crazy coach. I want someone who won't dismiss the Ohio State and Michigan State games as "just another game".. that bothered me when RichRod did that.
I don't think you'd get the same sound bites from Hoke about OSU/MSU as you would from Harbaugh, but I'm sure Hoke would take those games plenty seriously.
As for style, I'd say defensive. He was Michigan's defensive line coach from 1995-2002. Prior to that he was the DL coach at Oregon State from '89-'94, the LB's coach at Toledo from '87-'89, the DL and ST coach at Western Michigan from '84-'86, and the DL coach at Grand Valley State in 1983. So you know he knows the DL anyway.
At Western Michigan he worked under Jack Harbaugh, and was on the same staff as guys like John Harbaugh and Greg Mattison. When Mattison was Michigan's DC, he hired Hoke.
Prowler
01-04-2011, 09:43 PM
i went to school for a couple years at ball state. brady hoke is the man. he can handle the job and get results.
Silver & Blue
01-04-2011, 10:55 PM
i went to school for a couple years at ball state. brady hoke is the man. he can handle the job and get results.
He did a great job at turning Ball State around. They were horrible when he got there but did a good job with them. I think Hoke's Ball State team almost upset Michigan a couple of years ago, I can't remember the exact year though. He wouldn't be my first or second choice, but if we got him then I would wait three years to judge him like I did for RichRod.
Prowler
01-04-2011, 11:37 PM
with hoke, ball state overnight turned into a great offense with absolutely no recruits above 2 star. miquale lewis was a great runner and nate davis's tiny hands looked amazing at qb. i can't remember specifics about the defense, but they were very well coached.
tblain1
01-05-2011, 09:42 AM
with hoke, ball state overnight turned into a great offense with absolutely no recruits above 2 star. miquale lewis was a great runner and nate davis's tiny hands looked amazing at qb. i can't remember specifics about the defense, but they were very well coached.
I'm getting flashbacks about what I told people about RichRod when he was OC while I was at Tulane. Turned the program around. Offense exploded. Went undefeated. Turned Shaun King into an NFL QB.
The thing about Hoke is he comes from a defensive background, which is most promising.
BTW, whats with this that I hear the RichRod thing isn't final? I'm pretty sure its final, just not in the books yet right?
DrunkenLament
01-05-2011, 11:07 AM
I'm getting flashbacks about what I told people about RichRod when he was OC while I was at Tulane. Turned the program around. Offense exploded. Went undefeated. Turned Shaun King into an NFL QB.
The thing about Hoke is he comes from a defensive background, which is most promising.
BTW, whats with this that I hear the RichRod thing isn't final? I'm pretty sure its final, just not in the books yet right?
According to Terry Fosters twitter, it was known he was gone last night but they didn't finalize the firing (probably some paperwork that wasn't signed). Good thing is, Harbaugh and Miles seem to still be in the mix, but I really only want Hoke if we truly have to settle for him.
Silver & Blue
01-05-2011, 11:17 AM
According to Terry Fosters twitter, it was known he was gone last night but they didn't finalize the firing (probably some paperwork that wasn't signed). Good thing is, Harbaugh and Miles seem to still be in the mix, but I really only want Hoke if we truly have to settle for him.
Actually, I think Dave Brandon asked RichRod to step down yesterday but he refused. Then I guess he gave time for Rich to think about it and tried to ask him again today but of course he refused and then he was fired. Thats what I heard what happen, makes sense since I'm sure Brandon would have loved to save money.
ironman4579
01-05-2011, 11:29 AM
According to Terry Fosters twitter, it was known he was gone last night but they didn't finalize the firing (probably some paperwork that wasn't signed). Good thing is, Harbaugh and Miles seem to still be in the mix, but I really only want Hoke if we truly have to settle for him.
I'd take Hoke over Miles if I knew for sure he was bringing the rumored great staff.
Silver & Blue
01-05-2011, 11:46 AM
It sounds like Dave Brandon hasn't even tried searching for a coach yet, I'm sorry, but he definitely seems like he is still an amateur. When your competing with NFL teams for a coach you have to strike quickly.
Marino13
01-05-2011, 11:51 AM
Hoke for sure is being the most vocal of candidates even telling the SDSU AD that even with his extension he wanted the Michigan job (Said he would crawl all the way to Ann Arbor to get that job).
Also hear he is the type of recruiter that lights up a room.
And I know for a fact he doesn't view OSU as just another game. Not only is he a midwest guy, he coached at Michigan for I believe 7 years.
Like I said in a different thread, I feel bad for Rod the man. But as a coach, he put himself in a poor situation by how he ran the program.
Marino13
01-05-2011, 11:53 AM
It sounds like Dave Brandon hasn't even tried searching for a coach yet, I'm sorry, but he definitely seems like he is still an amateur. When your competing with NFL teams for a coach you have to strike quickly.
oh know he has been looking trust me on that, all insiders say he has been doing his homework. There are a lot of things going on.
Silver & Blue
01-05-2011, 11:54 AM
I think the only reason why people are scared of Hoke is because they aren't sure how good he would be at a higher level since he has only been the head coach of Ball State and SDSU.
ironman4579
01-05-2011, 11:54 AM
Hoke for sure is being the most vocal of candidates even telling the SDSU AD that even with his extension he wanted the Michigan job (Said he would crawl all the way to Ann Arbor to get that job).
Also hear he is the type of recruiter that lights up a room.
And I know for a fact he doesn't view OSU as just another game. Not only is he a midwest guy, he coached at Michigan for I believe 7 years.
Like I said in a different thread, I feel bad for Rod the man. But as a coach, he put himself in a poor situation by how he ran the program.
Hoke coached the DL from 1995-2002, so 8 years.
Silver & Blue
01-05-2011, 11:54 AM
oh know he has been looking trust me on that, all insiders say he has been doing his homework. There are a lot of things going on.
I hope your right and he is just keeping everything quiet.
Marino13
01-05-2011, 11:56 AM
Hoke coached the DL from 1995-2002, so 8 years.
yeah I wasn't counting 95. I also hear that all the players that played for Hoke love the guy, and the ones that know him think he would be great.
It sounds like Dave Brandon hasn't even tried searching for a coach yet, I'm sorry, but he definitely seems like he is still an amateur. When your competing with NFL teams for a coach you have to strike quickly.
What was Brandon supposed to say at that press conference? "Yeah, I have a list of guys to replace Rodriguez that I've been compiling since mid-season"?
Silver & Blue
01-05-2011, 12:03 PM
What was Brandon supposed to say at that press conference? "Yeah, I have a list of guys to replace Rodriguez that I've been compiling since mid-season"?
I'm just saying that I thought he should have a good idea of who he wants. I'm still having nightmares from the last coaching search. lol
Hoke for sure is being the most vocal of candidates even telling the SDSU AD that even with his extension he wanted the Michigan job (Said he would crawl all the way to Ann Arbor to get that job).
Also hear he is the type of recruiter that lights up a room.
And I know for a fact he doesn't view OSU as just another game. Not only is he a midwest guy, he coached at Michigan for I believe 7 years.
Like I said in a different thread, I feel bad for Rod the man. But as a coach, he put himself in a poor situation by how he ran the program.
Hoke all the way!
Marino13
01-05-2011, 07:24 PM
from what I've read, still haven't given up on Harbaugh yet but he's still a long shot.
Sounds like Brandon would love to hire Les Miles, but he's having trouble getting support from a bunch of people for that hire.
Prowler
01-07-2011, 02:04 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/brady-hoke-not-jim-harbaugh-is-perfect-coach-for-michigan-wolverines-010711
Silver & Blue
01-07-2011, 02:53 PM
Well it looks like Jim Harbaugh is officially off the board. Still a mystery to who we are going after.
Prowler
01-07-2011, 03:04 PM
i heard rich rodriguez is available
Silver & Blue
01-07-2011, 03:17 PM
i heard rich rodriguez is available
I'll take him.... as an OC.
Prowler
01-11-2011, 04:46 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6012465
ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- Michigan picked San Diego State's Brady Hoke as its new football coach on Tuesday, hours after LSU said Les Miles would be staying in the Bayou.
Marino13
01-11-2011, 07:51 PM
not for sure, but here is the RUMORED Brady Hoke Coaching Staff (again RUMORED)
OC- Al Borges
DC or Secondary- Jon Hoke
QB- Scot Loeffler
RB-DeAndre Smith
WR- Erik Campbell
TE/ST-Dan Ferrigno
DL-Keith Gilmore
S&C-Aaron Wellman
Once again, this is all based on rumblings, but it sounds VERY VERY likely that Forrigno, Gilmore, and Smith are coming
ironman4579
01-11-2011, 09:53 PM
Awww, if so, I'm going to miss Fred Jackson's hyperbole. "This guy is like a combination of a faster Barry Sanders, and a more powerful Earl Campbell!!"
I think every Michigan running back is the best running back that Fred Jackson has ever coached.
ironman4579
01-12-2011, 09:42 AM
So, super early depth chart for next year. This is probably more my preferred depth chart than what I think will actually happen.
QB- Devin Gardner, RS Freshman
RB- Michael Cox, RS Junior
FB- John McColgan, RS Senior
WR- Junior Hemingway, RS Senior
WR- Darryl Stonum, Senior
TE- Kevin Koger, Senior
LT- Taylor Lewan, RS Sophmore
LG- Ricky Barnum, RS Junior
C- David Molk, RS Senior
RG- Patrick Omameh, RS Junior
RT- Mark Huyge, RS Senior
DE- Ryan Van Bergen, RS Senior
DT- Mike Martin, Senior
DT- Quinton Washington, RS sophmore
DE- Craig Roh, Junior
SLB- J.B. Fitzgerald, Senior
MLB- Kenny Demens, RS Junior
WLB- Kellen Jones, Freshman
CB- Courtney Avery, Sophmore
CB- Troy Woolfolk, RS Senior
FS- Carvin Johnson, Sophmore
SS- Marvin Robinson, Sophmore
Do everything RB/WR/QB/KR/PR- Denard Robinson, Junior
Ok, so some of these guys have switched positions, but I guess I'm kind of hoping they get switched back.
First off, yes, I don't have Denard as the starting QB. If you watch SDSU's offense (and Auburn's 13-0 offense etc) I don't think Denard is accurate enough, especially on the deep ball, to run it effectively. Gardner on the other hand throws a beautiful deep ball. Denard could be a Heisman candidate as a do everything type guy. I'd love to see him get about 20+ touches per game in various ways. Get him in space and he's deadly.
The RB position could be any of a number of guys. Mike just happens to be my favorite back on the team. I could easily see it being Hopkins, Toussaint, Shaw, or even Denard.
I have Roundtree competing with Odoms as the slot. I just can't stand Roundtree. He drops way to many passes, isn't all that fast, and really isn't great going up to get the ball either. I'd prefer if he wasn't a starter.
Left guard could be Barnum or Elliott Mealer IMO (or possibly even Will Campbell, although I'd love to see him switched back to DT). Barnum's probably better in space, pulling, etc. but Mealer has the size and strength.
Right tackle seems like it could be Huyge or Michael Schofield. Again, Huyge has the size, but Schofield is probably more mobile. Schofield will be starting at some point, it just might not be right away this year.
At NT, I'd love to see Will Campbell get a shot, but we'll see. Depending on how he moves at 320, this could also be Richard Ash.
LB's tough. Demens will get the start in the middle. The other two are up for grabs. I think Fitzgerald will get the first look at SAM. I really like Kellen Jones as a prospect, so that's why he's in at the WILL. It could easily be any of a numbers of guys (Cam Gordon comes to mind).
The secondary is tricky. I loved Carvin Johnson as a safety, but he got moved to Spur/Bandit/whatever it was. I'd love to see him get moved back. I don't like Vinopal back there very much. Marvin Robinson got moved to LB, but I;d much rather see him back ther than Kovacs (yes, I know, Kovacs does play his ass off, I just don't think he's nearly athletic enough). Hell, Woofolk could go back to FS. The CB's could be a bunch of guys.
Marino13
01-12-2011, 01:00 PM
if you haven't seen Hoke's PC you gotta look for it.
1. He refused to say anything other than "That School in Ohio"
2. That game is personal
3. You can see how much love he has for the school
4. Denard is staying
Xiomera
01-12-2011, 01:13 PM
I was impressed. Very personable guy it seemed.
Marino13
01-12-2011, 01:29 PM
Al Borges IS the new OC
Xiomera
01-12-2011, 01:30 PM
Al Borges IS the new OC
Who is he? I'm not familiar with the name.
And is Denard really returning? I read he had no comment.
tblain1
01-12-2011, 01:48 PM
Who is he? I'm not familiar with the name.
And is Denard really returning? I read he had no comment.
http://detroit.sbnation.com/michigan-wolverines/2011/1/12/1930361/al-borges-expected-to-join-brady-hoke-at-michigan-san-diego-state-to
Sounds like Borges has tons of experience with a team in just about every division but mostly PAC-10. His time with Auburn overlapped their 2005 13-0 season if I'm not mistaken.
I like it.
EDIT: He coached Cade McNown into a good QB at UCLA. I think that speaks volumes.
Marino13
01-12-2011, 03:11 PM
Who is he? I'm not familiar with the name.
And is Denard really returning? I read he had no comment.
according to teammates he is.
Borges was OC at Oregon in 95, spent a few years coaching Cade McNown at UCLA, coached at Indiana for 2 years before going to Auburn. He is a West Coast Offense guy (or as he calls his offense the Gulf Coast Offense) that was fired from Auburn because Tubberville wanted to go to a spread.
Borges is seen as a very good offensive mind, but his recruiting his not his strong point
ironman4579
01-12-2011, 03:15 PM
This little exchange from the press conference made me laugh. At this point I think I'm in love with Brady Hoke:
Sharp: Brady, you said your goal was to win Big 10 titles. What about national titles? Shouldn't that be the focus...
Hoke: No.
Sharp: of your program? For a national program like Michigan?
Hoke: No. We want to win Big 10 titles. You can't win a national title if you don't win your conference title.
Sharp: But isn't winning a conference title sort of a consolation prize?
Hoke: I have five Big 10 Championship rings and 1 National Championship rings. And they ALL matter. They all matter. You can't win a National Championship without winning a conference championship.
Sharp: So the goal is winning a national championship?
Hoke: I didn't say that. I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble.
I can see the headline of Drew Sharp's column in tomorrow's paper: "New Michigan Coach Doesn't Want To Win National Championships."
Marino13
01-13-2011, 11:31 PM
Staff notes...
As mentioned Al Borges will be the OC. Decent hire.
Also coming from SDSU are S&C coach Aaron Wellman which means no Barwis. I like Barwis as much as the next guy, but Wellman sounds impressive.
Jeff Hecklinski is coming as well. Hecklinski was RB coach and recruiting coordinator, but he has also been WR coach and QB coach in his career so we will see where that goes.
Dan Ferrigno was expected to come, but sounds like he is staying at SDSU. The only other SDSU guys expected to come over are OL coach Darrell Funk and LB coach Mark Smith.
Freddie Jackson HAS been rehired to Hoke's staff.
Soup Campbell is expected to be offered the WR coaching position, but it is no promise he leaves Iowa (but he does want to come back to Michigan).
Vance Bedford is the favorite to be DC
ironman4579
01-14-2011, 07:08 AM
Staff notes...
As mentioned Al Borges will be the OC. Decent hire.
Also coming from SDSU are S&C coach Aaron Wellman which means no Barwis. I like Barwis as much as the next guy, but Wellman sounds impressive.
Jeff Hecklinski is coming as well. Hecklinski was RB coach and recruiting coordinator, but he has also been WR coach and QB coach in his career so we will see where that goes.
Dan Ferrigno was expected to come, but sounds like he is staying at SDSU. The only other SDSU guys expected to come over are OL coach Darrell Funk and LB coach Mark Smith.
Freddie Jackson HAS been rehired to Hoke's staff.
Soup Campbell is expected to be offered the WR coaching position, but it is no promise he leaves Iowa (but he does want to come back to Michigan).
Vance Bedford is the favorite to be DC
Yea, I'm glad Fred's back. It's just not a Michigan football season without a little Fred Jackson hyperbole. I'd also love to get Soup back in the mix. I was upset he wasn't retained originally.
Newbs24
01-14-2011, 08:34 AM
I would like to pass on Bedford for someone like Teryl Austin. I think Vance has been given too much credit for being on Strongs defensive staff.
Don't think Jon Hoke is coming. Said that he always wanted to coach in the NFL and since he is there, why would he want to leave. Could be lip service since the Bears are in the playoffs, but I don't think he is going to be on the staff.
tblain1
01-19-2011, 09:45 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6035187
Greg Mattison hired as DC.
Last job: DC for Baltimore Ravens.
I am loving both coordinator hires.
Also Fred Jackson was the only RichRod coach retained.
Prowler
01-19-2011, 06:14 PM
Now they can have the recruiting pitches of, "join us and learn how to play Baltimore Ravens style defense." "Do you want to play with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed son? Well learn our defense and you may be able to take their place some day?"
Just leave out the name of Rex Ryan.
Huge hirings though. This is going to be one tough, well coached team.
Marino13
01-26-2011, 02:25 PM
If you haven't done it yet, you guys should watch the interviews with the new coaches on mgoblue. The best way to describe it is they all "get it".
My one friend pointed this out, with Rod and his staff they basically came in and said "We are the darlings from WVU who have been blowing people away in the Big East for the last several years. Who are you?" They never truly understood Michigan or the Big 10. The new guys have embraced it.
I know guys like Hoke and Mattison have loved Michigan for a long time and have been a part of the family, but the others get it.
Ferrigno coached under Jack Harbaugh and said that every since going to a few of the Michigan football camps, he always wanted to be in Ann Arbor.
Borges and Mattison talked about adapting to the players, because no matter how good a scheme is, it won't work if the players don't fit.
Hecklinski... man after listening to his interview I love the guy.
Plus, they all seem to love to recruit. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like the only guys who recruited in the previous regime were Gibson, Tall, and Frey (and of course Jackson, but he was already here). I've read so many things about Hoke, Hecklinski, Mattison,Funk, and Smith have all been actively recruiting.
These guys get it
Marino13
02-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Have we signed anyone?????
Looking at the ESPN 150 and it is very ugly.
our class is respectable with how little time Hoke had to recruit. There were some nice pickups, and there were some average players. But this wasn't really like Rod's old strategy of offering unknowns with little to no D1 offers (no disrespect to Carvin Johnson, Drew Dileo, or Ray Vinopal) or picking up a bunch of slot WRs.
Now the rumor is we have our final two coaches. Rumors are Illinois CoDC/Secondary Coach and former Wolverine player will be named our secondary coach, while former Iowa Hawkeye DT Scotty Montgomery (who was the DL coach at Wyoming and had been hired to be DT coach at Indiana) will instead become our DL coach.
Silver & Blue
02-02-2011, 04:30 PM
This interview was a little awkward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axLrMqOAJ7U&feature=player_embedded
SRogers92
02-03-2011, 08:49 AM
One thing I was told about recruits/rankings that we need to keep in mind right now ... Outside of the top 20-30 prospects, the real 'blue-blue chippers' ... everything is a shot in the dark ... many guys are underrated and overrated based on colleges the commit to, states they play in, and just overall not enough scouting being done on them ...
For instance ... Thomas Rawls, RB that committed to Michigan is an easy 4-star talent ... but -- he had academic issues and playing in a lackluster college football state, he was only ranked a 3 star ... so -- while we may not have a top rated class - it doesn't matter right now ... all that matters is the coaching we can do and bringing these players up ...
Next years' class should be MUCH better ... we still have two coaching vacancies that are going to help in recruiting, too.
ironman4579
02-03-2011, 09:33 AM
One thing I was told about recruits/rankings that we need to keep in mind right now ... Outside of the top 20-30 prospects, the real 'blue-blue chippers' ... everything is a shot in the dark ... many guys are underrated and overrated based on colleges the commit to, states they play in, and just overall not enough scouting being done on them ...
For instance ... Thomas Rawls, RB that committed to Michigan is an easy 4-star talent ... but -- he had academic issues and playing in a lackluster college football state, he was only ranked a 3 star ... so -- while we may not have a top rated class - it doesn't matter right now ... all that matters is the coaching we can do and bringing these players up ...
Next years' class should be MUCH better ... we still have two coaching vacancies that are going to help in recruiting, too.
The open coaching spots have been filled actually.....
SRogers92
02-03-2011, 10:47 AM
Not 'officially' they haven't ...
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/coaches-m-footbl.html
It's expected Montgomery will coach DL and Curt Mallory will coach DBs ... but -- hasn't happened yet.
I'm going to try and keep this updated throughout the year. Star rankings are the average of the Scout and Rivals rankings.
2012 Michigan Football Recruiting Board\
Prospect Committed to Michigan
Prospect with Michigan Offer
Not Yet Offered
Quarterbacks
Gunner Kiel - Columbus (IN) Columbus East http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Zeke Pike - Mitchell (KY) Dixie Heights http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Bennie Coney - Plant City (FL) Plant City http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Maty Mauk - Kenton (OH) Kenton http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jake Rodrigues - Rocklin (CA) Whitney http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Brian Blackburn - Detroit (MI) Crockett http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Robert Gregory - Chicago (IL) http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Collin Michael - Lexington (OH) Lexington [NR]
Nick Patti - Orlando (FL) Dr. Phillips [NR]
Connor Brewer - Scottsdale (AZ) Chapparral http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif TEXAS COMMIT
Running Backs
Keith Marshall - Raleigh (NC) Milbrook http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Cyrus Jones - Baltimore (MD) Gilman http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Greg Garmon - Erie (PA) McDowell http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Vonte Jackson - Kenosha (WI) Bradford http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Demetrius Williams - Bamberg (SC) Bamberg Ehrhardt http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Donovan Roberts - Norman (OK) Norman [NR]
Drake Johnson - Ann Arbor (MI) Pioneer http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Dennis Norfleet - Detroit (MI) King http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Auctavius Bennett - Clarksville (MD) River Hill [NR]
Bri'onte Dunn - Canton (OH) Glenn Oak http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif OHIO STATE COMMIT
Matt Jones - Seffner (FL) Armwood http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif FLORIDA COMMIT
Wide Receivers
Dorial Green-Beckham - Springfield (MO) Hillcrest http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Stefon Diggs - Olney (MD) Our Lady Good Council http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Bryce Treegs - Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco
Aaron Burbridge - Farmington Hills (MI) Harrison http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Leonte Carroo - Ramsey (NJ) Don Bosco Prep http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jody Fuller - Monroe (NC) Sun Valley http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Malik Gilmore - Lakewood (CA) Lakewood http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jaquay Williams - Franklin (GA) Heard County http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Derrick Woods - Inglewood (CA) Inglewood http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Dwayne Stanford - Cincinnati (OH) Taft [NR]
Monty Madaris - Cincinnati (OH) Moeller http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Corey Smith - Akron (OH) Bachtel http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Efe Scott-Emuakpor - East Lansing (MI) East Lansing [NR]
Avery Johnson - Pompano Beach (FL) Blanche Ely http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif LSU COMMIT
Jordan Payton - Westlake Village (CA) Oaks Christian http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif USC COMMIT
Latroy Pittman - Citra (FL) North Marion http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif FLORIDA COMMIT
Tight End
Taylor McNamara - San Diego (CA) Westview http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Sean Price - Citra (FL) North Marion http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Evan Baylis - Aurora (CO) Grandview [NR]
Devin Funchess - Farmington Hills (MI) Harrison [NR]
Sam Grant - Lakewood (OH) St. Edwards [NR]
Ron Thompson - Eastpointe (MI) East Detroit [NR]
A.J. Williams - Cincinnati (OH) Sycamore [NR]
Pierre Aka - Indianapolis (IN) Pike [NR]
Offensive Tackle
Andrus Peat - Tempe (AZ) Corona Del Sol http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
John Theus - Jacksonville (FL) Bolles http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Zach Banner - Lakewood (WA) Lakes http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Shane Callahan - Parker (CO) Chapparral http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jordan Diamond - Chicago (IL) Simeon http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
J.J. Denman - Fairless (PA) Pennsbury http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
D.J. Humphries - Charlotte (NC) Mallard http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Avery Young - Palm Beach Gardens (FL) Palm Beach Gardens http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Mike Madaras - Olney (MD) Our Lady Good Counsel http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Kyle Murphy - San Clemente (CA) San Clemente http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Brock Stadnik - Greensboro (NC) Western Guilford http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Michael Starts - Waco (TX) La Vega http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Paul Thurston - Arvada (CO) Arvada West http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Kyle Dodson - Cleveland (OH) Cleveland Heights [NR]
Mark Harrell - Charlotte (NC) Charlotte Catholic [NR]
Ben Braden - Rockford (MI) Rockford http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Tyler Alt - Greensburg (PA) Greensburg Central Catholic [NR]
Daron Brown - Detroit (MI) Mumford [NR]
Kyle Kalis - Lakewood (OH) St. Edward http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif OHIO STATE COMMIT
Taylor Decker - Vandalia (OH) Butler http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif NOTRE DAME COMMIT
Offensive Guard
Joshua Garnett - Puyallup (WA) Puyallup http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jordan Simmons - Encino (CA) Crespi Carmelitehttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Dan Voltz - Barrington (IL) Barrington http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Ryan Watson - Olney (MD) Our Lady Good Counsel http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Tyler Orlosky - Lakewood (OH) St. Edward [NR]
Kelby Latta - Battle Creek (MI) Harper Creek http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Benny McGowan - Centerville (OH) Centerville [NR]
Center
Ty Darlington - Apopka (FL) Apopka http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Defensive End
Mario Edwards - Denton (TX) Ryan http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Noah Spence - Harrisburg (PA) Bishop McDevitt http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jordan Jenkins - Hamilton (GA) Harris County http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Se'von Pittman - Canton (OH) McKinley http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Adolphus Washington - Cincinnati (OH) Taft http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Chris Wormley - Toledo (OH) Whitmer http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Tom Strobel - Mentor (OH) Mentor http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Dalvin Tomlinson - McDonough (GA) Henry County http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Brent Wilkerson - Hyattsville (MD) DeMatha http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Pharaoh Brown - Lyndhurst (OH) Brush [NR]
Devonte Fields - Arlington (TX) Martin [NR]
Ifeadi Odenigbo - Centerville (OH) Centerville [NR]
Mario Ojemudia - Farmington Hills (MI) Harrison [NR]
Greg McMullen - Akron (OH) Hoban http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
LaTroy Lewis - Akron (OH) Hoban http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Defensive Tackle
Eddie Goldman - Washington (DC) Friendship Collegiate Academy http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Danny O'Brien - Flint (MI) Powers http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Tommy Schutt - Glen Ellyn (IL) Glenbard West http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Vincent Valentine - Edwardsville (IL) Edwardsville http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Martin Aiken - Bamberg (SC) Bamberg http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Sheldon Day - Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Matt Godin - Novi (MI) Catholic Central http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jarron Jones - Rochester (NY) Aquinas Institute http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Ondre Pipkens - Kansas City (MO) Park Hill http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Greg Kuhar - Lakewood (OH) St. Edward [NR]
Aziz Shittu - Atwater (CA) Buhach [NR]
Ellis McCarthy - Monrovia (CA) Monrovia http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jordan Watkins - College Park (GA) Woodward Academy http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jaleel Johnson - Westchester (IL) St. Joseph [NR]
Arik Armstead - Elk Grove (CA) Pleasant Grove http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif USC COMMIT
Linebacker
Deaysean Rippy - McKees Rocks (PA) Sto-Rox http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
James Ross - Orchard Lake (MI) St. Mary's http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Vince Biegel - Wisconsin Rapids (WI) Lincoln http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Royce Jenkins-Stone - Detroit (MI) Cass Tech http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Kaleb Ringer - Clayton (OH) Northmont http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Jeremiah Tshimanga - Richland Hills (TX) Richland http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Camren Williams - West Roxbury (MA) Catholic Memorial http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
William Mahone - Youngstown (OH) Fitch http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Mason Monheim - Orrville (OH) Orrville http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Laron Taylor - Detroit (MI) Cass Tech http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Peter Jinkens - Dallas (TX) Skyline http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif TEXAS COMMIT
Jabari Ruffin - Downey (CA) Downey [NR] USC COMMIT
Cornerback
Armani Reeves - West Roxbury (MA) Catholic Memorial http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Terry Richardson - Detroit (MI) Cass Tech http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Kenny Crawley - Washington (DC) Woodson [NR]
Yuri Wright - Ramsey (NJ) Don Bosco Prep [NR]
Leviticus Payne - Southfield (MI) Southfield [NR]
Kendall Sanders - Athens (TX) Athens http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif OKLAHOMA STATE COMMIT
Safety
LaDarrell McNeil - Dallas (TX) A. Maceo Smith http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Elijah Shumate - Ramsey (NJ) Don Bosco Prep http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
D.J. Singleton - Jersey City (NJ) St. Peter's http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Deon Bush - Miami (FL) Christopher Columbus [NR]
Jarrod Wilson - Akron (OH) Bachtel [NR]
Bam Bradley - Trotwood (OH) Madison http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Allen Gant - Sylvania (OH) Southview http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Wayne Morgan - Brooklyn (NY) Erasmus Hall http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Athlete
Ronald Darby - Oxon Hill (MD) Potomac http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Devin Fuller - Old Tappan (NJ) Old Tappan http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
Deontay McManus - Baltimore (MD) Dunbar http://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/a/_network/star.gif
If anyone comes across new offers or interested prospects, please post here and I will update the board.
ironman4579
02-11-2011, 10:06 PM
Rivals is showing an offer to Deontay McManus, an ATH out of Baltimore. 6'0" 209 lbs. Rivals 250 watch list.
Rivals is showing offers from Michigan, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, UNC, Ohio St., Penn St., South Carolina, and Tennessee, among others. The kid definately has a nice early offer sheet if nothing else.
5p0zYcYOPtI
ironman4579
02-12-2011, 05:49 PM
TomVH is reporting he talked to TE Taylor McNamara, and Michigan just offered him yesterday. He's also reporting an offer to QB Maty Mauk.
Newbs24
02-14-2011, 08:38 PM
Ohio De SeVon Pittman also got an offer. Kid is a beast. Love the DEs out of Ohio. Hope we can snag Wormley and 2 more from their state.
SRogers92
02-15-2011, 03:16 PM
From your list, you're missing:
- OT Andrus Peat - AZ - 5 star OT by Scouts.com
- DT Jaleel Johnson - IL - 4 star rated me thinks
Sniper
02-15-2011, 03:21 PM
Cass Tech LB Royce Jenkins-Stone got an Oklahoma offer.
Ohio De SeVon Pittman also got an offer. Kid is a beast. Love the DEs out of Ohio. Hope we can snag Wormley and 2 more from their state.
I really want Odenigbo.
Thanks for the updates guys.
ironman4579
02-15-2011, 09:47 PM
RJS apparently tweeted that he's going to make a decision before his senior season.
Silver & Blue
02-21-2011, 04:24 PM
Michigan has offered Ronald Darby MD RB/DB/ATH.
I have the following players as having offers:
Demetrius Williams
Kyle Kalis
Kenny Crawley
I can't find confirmation anywhere, but obviously there was a reason I listed them as offered. If anyone comes across anything regarding the offer status of these three players, let me know.
Big game tonight. Win and we're in. Lose and we're likely NIT bound unless we can pull off a run in the Big Ten tourney. This is the biggest M basketball game that I can remember in a long time. Not only will a win put us in the tournament and give us a season sweep of the Spartans, but it will likely end their 13-year NCAA tournament streak. We're going to have to bring our "A" game because Izzo will have his boys ready.
Wooooo!!!
70-63. First sweep of the Spartans since 1997. NCAA Tournament, here we come!
Silver & Blue
03-05-2011, 04:24 PM
That was a great win, now we just need to start dominating them in football again.
As seen in my sig, Darius Morris telling Kalin Lucas to "get the **** off my court" is pretty much the greatest thing ever.
Silver & Blue
03-05-2011, 05:42 PM
As seen in my sig, Darius Morris telling Kalin Lucas to "get the **** off my court" is pretty much the greatest thing ever.
Haha, I heard he said that also. Just rub it into their faces.
Sniper
03-05-2011, 08:14 PM
As seen in my sig, Darius Morris telling Kalin Lucas to "get the **** off my court" is pretty much the greatest thing ever.
Wait, that's what he said? My new hero.
ironman4579
03-11-2011, 02:33 PM
Michigan basketball looked like ass for about the last 7 minutes of the first half. If they keep playing like that, they'll be lucky to even make a play-in game for the dance. Just brutal.
12-0 run to tie the game at 51 with 3:17 left!
ironman4579
03-11-2011, 03:32 PM
Wow, Darius absolutely willed the team back, and Hardaway hit some big shots down the stretch (that three with a guy in his face was huge). The last 7-8 minutes of the game couldn't have been more different from the last 7-8 minutes of the first half. Great win, Michigan should have solidified themselves a spot in the Dance with that win.
#8 Michigan vs #9 Tennessee
I must say, I'm shocked at the 8-seed. I was thinking probably a 10-seed.
Lions-Slappy
03-18-2011, 03:10 PM
WOW 75-45 what a beatdown of Tennessee today, thought we could win but never thought by 30.....
Onward to Duke...
ironman4579
03-18-2011, 03:48 PM
I was about to post something similiar. Congratulations to the team. Simply a dominant performance. When you have two of your top three players on the bench for almost the entire first half and still come out up by four, you're doing something right. Tennessee pretty clearly gave up with about ten minutes left in that game, but that was still one of the best performances out of this team all year. I really don't even like basketball, but I love this group of kids.
If we play that well next week, we're going to win. With that said, I really doubt we shoot that well two games in a row. The thing about Beilein's system is that if everyone is shooting well then we can beat anyone. However, if everyone is struggling we won't be anyone.
I'm so excited for next year. Everyone is coming back and our Big Ten competitors are all seemingly losing a lot.
Marino13
03-23-2011, 02:51 PM
Ray Vinopal has left the team and is heading back to Youngstown. Best of luck to the kid
ironman4579
03-23-2011, 04:51 PM
Ray Vinopal has left the team and is heading back to Youngstown. Best of luck to the kid
You should probably point out that it's for family reasons, and supposedly not anything to do with not wanting to be at Michigan.
MI OL Ben Braden becomes Michigan's first 2012 commit!
Marino13
04-05-2011, 08:38 PM
not to throw too much out there but some notes from spring ball.
1.Denard is adapting to Borges's offense better than anybody ever hoped.
2.The coaches are all saying that this group of players is the most willing to learn and be coached.
3.New DB Coach Mallory is really intense, and people are saying the improvement the young DBs (Cullen Christian in particular) have made under him is very noticeable.
4.William Campbell is working as a starting DT, and looking really good.
Now for something I wanted to go a little more in depth in, is the attitude of the coaches. Everybody who has observed practices say that they are much more intense than any the last 3 years have been, AND the vibe is just better. The notes made are that while there is still a lot of yelling, it is done more in a motivational way and not out of anger (not that Rod and his staff didn't use motivation). This staff does a lot more teaching in technique than Rod and his staff ever did.
I know everybody loves the Borges and Mattison hires, but I'm falling in love with the assistants. Listen to the Funk, Wellman, Ferrigno, and Hecklinski interviews. I have no doubt Rod's staff was thrilled to be at Michigan, but these guys just sound different in the approach they've taken, and I like it.
The vibe coming from Ann Arbor is different.
SINCE1978
04-22-2011, 12:00 PM
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2011/04/michigan_wolverines_links_corn.html
Ouch.
Iamcanadian
04-23-2011, 10:18 AM
Sure, every bodies hopes are running sky high, but the reality is that our offense was built to suit a different style and the adjustment will take time and a few recruiting classes to put the new offense into play.
I think the defense will be a lot better, it cannot get any worse, but here too, we will need a few recruiting classes to make the transition to a new system.
If it happens overnight, I'll be shocked but pleased but I'm not expecting that to happen. When you switch HC's who play different styles, the transition won't be easy at all, that is the price you pay for the mistake in hiring Rodriquez and then trying to go to a different scheme. It is going to take time.
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-brady-hoke-recruiting-kyle-kalis-2012-class/
SUCK IT OHIO.
bearsfan_51
07-24-2011, 06:57 PM
Brady Hoke is a lost Belushi brother.
Prowler
11-12-2011, 03:39 PM
These nonconversions from the 1 yard line are killing me.
Xiomera
11-12-2011, 04:11 PM
These nonconversions from the 1 yard line are killing me.
I miss the Lloyd Carr era.
Prowler
11-12-2011, 04:15 PM
The great thing is that 3-4 years from now Michigan will be the best team in the nation by far. Dominant oline, dline, linebacker, and secondary recruits for next year and then we're adding QB and RBs in 2013. Just hope that the world doesn't end in 2012.
Xiomera
11-12-2011, 04:48 PM
The great thing is that 3-4 years from now Michigan will be the best team in the nation by far. Dominant oline, dline, linebacker, and secondary recruits for next year and then we're adding QB and RBs in 2013. Just hope that the world doesn't end in 2012.
That might be a stretch to say they'll be that good. None of them have played a down yet out of high school.
Shane Morris looked pathetic in De La Salle's loss yesterday. I don't get all the hype around him.
I saw James Ross, Orchard Lake St. Mary's linebacker, who committed to UM in person again today. He was good on defense. Also scored his first career touchdown when he lined up at tight end today. He'll be a good one.
Prowler
11-12-2011, 05:08 PM
With an incoming oline of:
Kyle Kalis 4 stars top 25 overall
Eric Magnuson 4 stars top 50 overall
Blake Bars 4 stars, Ben Braden 3 stars and Caleb Stacy 3 stars helping fill it out.
They'll have Justice Hayes off of a redshirt year and then if they can add a Ty Isaac or Wyatt Shallman then they'll just be abusing teams. Throw in a fully developed Devin Gardner and they are set.
Xiomera
11-12-2011, 05:09 PM
Shallman has been hurt a lot this year at Catholic Central, but I saw him twice last season and he was an absolute beast running the ball.
I'll be very curious to see what position Mario Ojemudia plays in college. He's a high school DT, but has no where near the necessary size to play it in college.
I expect very little Devin Funchess, despite him being such a highly-regarded TE. He failed to do anything of note every time I've seen Harrison the past two years.
(If you were wondering, I cover high school football in Metro Detroit for a newspaper, so I've seen some of these guys in person.)
Prowler
11-12-2011, 05:15 PM
Talk about the perfect guy for an internet forum about recruiting.
I like Shane Morris because it sounds like Zach Morris or Chuck Norris.
Xiomera
11-12-2011, 05:35 PM
I haven't seen Morris in person, but his team got blanked last night. Every box score that comes my way for De La Salle when they're playing a decent team is never impressive.
Silver & Blue
11-12-2011, 05:44 PM
I haven't seen Morris in person, but his team got blanked last night. Every box score that comes my way for De La Salle when they're playing a decent team is never impressive.
Thats because their offense outside of Shane Morris sucks. It sounds like his receivers constantly drop balls, which obviously makes Morris look bad on the stat sheet. Morris did make a couple bad throws last night but most of those happened when he had a defender breathing down his neck.
Xiomera
11-12-2011, 06:25 PM
Fair enough. Like I said, haven't seen him in person. Just don't think he's a slam dunk recruit.
Silver & Blue
11-12-2011, 07:22 PM
One player you should keep an eye on in the next few years is Jayru Campbell, he is pretty impressive for a freshman.
yanksknicks
11-13-2011, 04:08 PM
PSU and OSU problems are going to be a benefit for us it seems. I hope we can get back to the point we start every year top-10.
UoM was a great place to get Pro talent from the 1990s to a few years back. Not quite Da U but ..... Hoke is getting it done on the field and I am proud he is there. I feel great about the program once again.
So are we top 5 for 2012??
bigmac076
01-04-2012, 07:25 AM
Hoke has done some amazing things with almost the same guys who played under RichRod. Beating OSU and winning a BCS Bowl is quite impressive for his first year. Congrats!!!!!
Xiomera
01-04-2012, 09:25 AM
So, who is Michigan losing?
Mike Martin, Ryan Van Bergen, David Molk, ....
Prowler
01-04-2012, 01:38 PM
Some big offense guys but nothing that they can't replace. With this level of coaching, they are going to be the toughest team to face in the Big 10 next year.
Hemmingway
Stonum
Shaw
Woolfork
Koger
Enough to sting, but I expect Roundtree and Toussaint to step up nicely. At least they should maintain and improve next season. The season after that will be insane as this year's draft class learns and then makes their impact in 2013.
Silver & Blue
01-04-2012, 02:08 PM
Michigan is going to be ridiculous in 3 to 4 years with all the talent their bringing in. Probably will be NC contenders.
Xiomera
01-04-2012, 02:30 PM
Michigan is going to be ridiculous in 3 to 4 years with all the talent their bringing in. Probably will be NC contenders.
I'll believe it when I see it ...
Prowler
01-04-2012, 02:36 PM
This is Brady ******* Hoke. It's going to happen. You said "Beat Ohio" and he does it! People say, "Bring Michigan back to glory" and he goes 11-2 with a BCS Bowl victory in his first year with Rich Rod's scraps.
Silver & Blue
01-04-2012, 02:55 PM
I'll believe it when I see it ...
Don't worry you'll see it :)
ryno626
01-05-2012, 04:16 PM
Stonum got busted for driving on a revoked license and it is a violation of his probation...as of now he is still on the team
Prowler
01-05-2012, 04:16 PM
I forgot that he redshirted and will be back
ryno626
01-18-2012, 11:31 AM
Stonum got the boot
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