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jetsfan0099
03-30-2010, 03:04 PM
I see hes a potential pick at #29 by the Jets, whats the love for this guy? He only had 5 sacks last year and his high was 6 in college. Is he suppose to be better in the pros? Why was his production low or did he play LB also?

Would he be a reach at #29? Anyone think he can be a good pass rusher in the NFL for a team like the Jets and get like 10+ sacks in seasons?

Menardo75
03-30-2010, 03:24 PM
He is very explosive with great burst, and lots of potential. He is a better fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker then he is as a 4-3 DE.

FUNBUNCHER
03-30-2010, 03:32 PM
Something's 'off' about Sapp's game, and I can't really put my finger on it.

He looks the part, but he's never been more than a JAG in the ACC. He may just not be that good a football player.
I'd be mildly shocked if he develops into a starter, however, he might be a guy tailor-made to play OLB in a 34.

bitonti
03-30-2010, 03:44 PM
Something's 'off' about Sapp's game, and I can't really put my finger on it.

He looks the part, but he's never been more than a JAG in the ACC. He may just not be that good a football player.
I'd be mildly shocked if he develops into a starter, however, he might be a guy a tailor made to play OLB in a 34.

recently alot has been 'off' about clemson first rounders. (Gaines Adams, Tye Hill, Rod Gardner, Antuan Edwards, Anthony Simmons)... basically you have to go back to Trevor Pryce in 1997 to find a good one.

if sapp goes 29 he will be the 2nd clemson first rounder after spiller. seems a little excessive

EndZoneDB
03-30-2010, 03:47 PM
Yeah, I think Sapp goes somewhere near the Middle to bottom of Round 2.

He makes a lot of sense to the Pats somewhere in the second. They have 3 picks, and need pass rush help.

thetedginnshow
03-30-2010, 03:51 PM
He is not a potential pick at #29.

Cigaro
03-30-2010, 03:54 PM
He's ripped and he's fast.

That sums him up.

Cicero
03-30-2010, 04:48 PM
He tore his ACL so he wasn't at full strength this year.

Matthew Jones
03-30-2010, 07:23 PM
I would like to have Sapp on the Patriots with their third second-round pick this year. He's super athletic and I think he'll really transition well in a 3-4. He's not nearly as safe of a pick as someone like Kindle or Graham but the value is definitely there at the end of the second because if this guy wasn't playing hurt all year last year, I think he would have racked up around ten sacks and be considered a first-round pick right now.

V.I.P
03-30-2010, 07:57 PM
Vernon Gholston 2.0

jetsfan0099
03-30-2010, 08:12 PM
Vernon Gholston 2.0

Than no thanks! :eek:

'cuse-213
03-30-2010, 09:08 PM
Vernon Gholston 2.0

Gholston is more stiff than a 13 year old watching his first porno. Nothing like Sapp.

sbh15
03-30-2010, 09:13 PM
Gholston is more stiff than a 13 year old watching his first porno. Nothing like Sapp.

Isn't there also a lot of talk that Gholston has zero desire to improve, he just wanted his money?

jetsfan0099
03-30-2010, 10:32 PM
Isn't there also a lot of talk that Gholston has zero desire to improve, he just wanted his money?

IDK if that is true, Gholston is a hard worker. You can tell that by his build, I just don't think he truly loves football. Its not his passion and he just doesn't have instincts on the field. He stayed late during practices and stayed late at the facilities to improve last year.

He takes horrible angles, he can't disengage from blockers, doesn't play with any fire. The angles really hurt him when he is free to run and allows the QB to get outside of him.
Just isn't a football player.

descendency
03-30-2010, 10:51 PM
Can't get off blocks when you touch his body and he is ABYSMAL against the run. He is purely a pass rusher specialist.

waazup
03-30-2010, 11:12 PM
ZERO toughness/physicality to his game. He's a 3rd rounder and possibly even worse.

SenorGato
03-31-2010, 12:02 AM
Something's 'off' about Sapp's game, and I can't really put my finger on it.

He looks the part, but he's never been more than a JAG in the ACC. He may just not be that good a football player.
I'd be mildly shocked if he develops into a starter, however, he might be a guy tailor-made to play OLB in a 34.

+1

Same feeling I had with Philip Merling... Sapp's got good talent...and he's seriously an awesome athlete...but something's just off. I think the injury really hurts their stock...he's one of those guys who might end up being a better pro than college player.

PawBill
03-31-2010, 02:22 PM
Realistic Clemson fan here (yes, they do exist). Here's my take on Sapp. Let me preface by saying that the poster who commented about Clemson and first rounders is correct. Clemson and high expectations do not mix and Sapp came to Clemson with a 5-star badge, but I guess the best description would be consistently average.

Pros: Sapp is a freak athlete with the proverbial size/speed combo you look for in a DE/OLB. He's tall (6' 4 +) and rangy, covers space quickly, and has a scary first step that most OT's have problem with. He was reliable, and with the exception of the ACL tear, was quite durable considering he played 4-3 DE at around 240 lbs. Bottom line is his measurables can't be taught. He has never had any character issues. I also randomly timed some of his pass rushes on deep drops, mostly from a 3-point stance, from snap to force of the play (ie. sack, pressure, hurry) and the average time was 2.21 secs. His coverage ability is underrated as he occasionally would drop back, especially this past year where he was utilized more as an OLB in a 3-4 look. He can cover RBs and TEs quite well and play zone.

Cons: Unfortunately, Sapp's strengths are also some of his weaknesses. He overruns pass rushes way too often and has never shown much more than an outside speed rush, lacking an inside spin move. He has never been a bull-rush type player as he lacks some body thickness and upper body strength to move linemen. He often gets swallowed up when engaging a blocker. He has a tendency to get lost or disengaged on running plays and his reaction time/ awareness is awful at times. His numbers never reflected his ability as a speed rusher and he seemed to be the same this past year as he was every year. He doesn't have a high motor ala Dwight Freeney.

Conclusion: Sapp is no more than a situational pass rushing/coverage OLB in the NFL. He has little to no value in a 4-3 scheme. I can't envision him starting as a pro, but does have some value since many teams are going to the 3-4 and is a quality enough athlete to provide solid depth. I would not take him before the 4th round.

PawBill
03-31-2010, 02:30 PM
Also, it was well-noted that Sapp played this past season at about 75% due to his knee injury, but still produced modest numbers. He did seem hesitant at times but it was obvious that his knee wasn't 100%. The fact that he managed to gain some good weight (10-15 lbs) in the off-season says alot about his work ethic to improve despite his injury.

killxswitch
03-31-2010, 02:34 PM
Vernon Gholston 2.0

Gholston was very productive in college. He and Sapp are nothing alike.