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keylime_5
03-31-2010, 08:12 PM
per rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen predicts that Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen will not be drafted in the top-20 picks.
This isn't a report; Mortensen is guessing. Still, he relays that plenty of teams "like" Clausen, but so far have been unable to find "reasons to love him." Mort predicts that the Bills will pass on Clausen if he falls to No. 9. Unless the Jaguars' (drafting 10th) interest in Clausen is sincere, a serious free fall could begin at that point, perhaps to as late as Minnesota (No. 30).

could be eerily similar to the Brady Quinn situation in 2007: a notre dame QB who some think will go top 5 (clausen to redskins/quinn to browns) could be passed on in favor of a franchise left tackle (russell okung/joe thomas) and a team at #9 (buffalo/miami) could pass on him and trigger his free fall....and perhaps a team in the 2nd round could trade up and pick him in the 20s. Could turn out to be exactly like the Brady Quinn situation if Mort is right.

LonghornsLegend
03-31-2010, 08:15 PM
I don't think he'll go top 10 for sure, then as Mort stated it's anyone's guess honestly, the way Quinn panned out probably doesn't help even though they are different players it surely isn't helping his cause.


I think if I'm Minnesota I'd absolutely love for him to fall into my laps, and he'd be worth moving up 5 or so picks to make sure you got him before a team in the early 2nd took him. He'd play in a dome, get a season to learn the ropes, and they get a franchise QB who doesn't have to carry the team on his back and will be seasoned in year 2.


He makes more sense for them then alot of teams picking early, I see him falling flat on his face in Buffalo. Should be interesting.

Babylon
03-31-2010, 08:15 PM
Could be another Brady Quinn situation but i would ask at this late stage what GMs or scouts are disclosing any information that can be used against them. I like Mort but take it for what it's worth.

Matthew Jones
03-31-2010, 08:16 PM
Wouldn't be the first time it's happened, but I'd be surprised if he made it past Buffalo. I think he'd be a good pick for them.

LonghornsLegend
03-31-2010, 08:17 PM
Could be another Brady Quinn situation but i would ask at this late stage what GMs or scouts are disclosing any information that can be used against them. I like Mort but take it for what it's worth.

Yea, I like Mort too, but he's wrong probably 85% of the time, and he's just guessing here, which means Clausen is probably a top 10 pick lol. Still, I'd be shocked to see him go really early(as in top 12 picks), but to an already talented team like Minny he makes alot of sense.

regoob2
03-31-2010, 08:19 PM
If Buffalo is stupid enough to pass on him then they deserve to end up in Canada.

lance uppercut
03-31-2010, 08:21 PM
if Mort is right.

key phrase. can't recall the last time this happened.

this report IMO lends more credence to clausen going fourth overall.

The_Dude
03-31-2010, 08:21 PM
I don't think he'll go top 10 for sure, then as Mort stated it's anyone's guess honestly, the way Quinn panned out probably doesn't help even though they are different players it surely isn't helping his cause.


I think if I'm Minnesota I'd absolutely love for him to fall into my laps, and he'd be worth moving up 5 or so picks to make sure you got him before a team in the early 2nd took him. He'd play in a dome, get a season to learn the ropes, and they get a franchise QB who doesn't have to carry the team on his back and will be seasoned in year 2.

He makes more sense for them then alot of teams picking early, I see him falling flat on his face in Buffalo. Should be interesting.

I would be more than happy with this scenario.

Splat
03-31-2010, 08:21 PM
If Buffalo is stupid enough to pass on him then they deserve to end up in Canada.

No body deserves that...

parcells
03-31-2010, 08:34 PM
The more I hear and read, the more I think he's due for a freefall. Teams apparently are not buying his intangibles/leadership qualities.

RealityCheck
03-31-2010, 08:36 PM
What if the Vikings prefer taking a CB?

The Panthers?

FUNBUNCHER
03-31-2010, 08:40 PM
The more I hear and read, the more I think he's due for a freefall. Teams apparently are not buying his intangibles/leadership qualities.
He's Aaron Rodgers to me. I just don't see how Shanahan passes on him. He doesn't have Cutler's arm, but I think right now Clausen is much smarter with the football.

Scott Wright
03-31-2010, 08:43 PM
I said this was looking like more and more of a possibility last week...

EDIT: And if it happens a lot of teams will regret it.

redbills
03-31-2010, 08:44 PM
This isn't a report; Mortensen is guessing

yea......we all go to Mort for draft guessing.

LookItsAlDavis
03-31-2010, 08:46 PM
Check the mock draft I made early last week. Called it.

Thumper
03-31-2010, 08:50 PM
Check the mock draft I made early last week. Called it.

nothing has happened yet so you've called nothing. Clausen is better than Bradford.

Mr.Regular
03-31-2010, 08:54 PM
nothing has happened yet so you've called nothing. Clausen is better than Bradford.
Agreed. Clausen is a better prospect than Bradford IMO. I don't get the Clausen hate.

LookItsAlDavis
03-31-2010, 08:54 PM
nothing has happened yet so you've called nothing. Clausen is better than Bradford.

Hmmmm alright fair enough. I predicted it. Are you happy now? And no, Clausen is not better than Bradford.

Favre4ever
03-31-2010, 09:12 PM
No body deserves that...

Hey!! It would be awsome for us though...

MikeTeel
03-31-2010, 09:34 PM
I don't know... if he's there for Seattle at 6, and they pass on him, and then Buffalo and Jacksonville passes on him as well then I think Seattle would again give him a good look at 14.

RealityCheck
03-31-2010, 09:37 PM
I don't know... if he's there for Seattle at 6, and they pass on him, and then Buffalo and Jacksonville passes on him as well then I think Seattle would again give him a good look at 14.
Seattle won't pick him. As you recall, they traded their pants for Whitehurst and they have the savior Mike Teel.

Splat
03-31-2010, 09:38 PM
I would rather have Clausen over Bradford, I feel Clausen is the better NFL fit now if I'm running a college team give me Bradford.

I'm not saying Bradford will bust just that if I had to pick one I would take Clausen.

wogitalia
03-31-2010, 09:47 PM
Fingers crossed he falls to the Vikes.

Still my favourite QB in this draft, also think that he is a guy who would benefit greatly from a year behind Favre.

I really want us to take that shot if he falls. Would be totally fine with moving up to get him, say our 1st and 4th to move up 4 or 5 spots if it is needed. The really good thing is that if he gets past the 49ers and Seahawks there is a very good chance that he falls to us. Redskins are still the most likely to take him though and Buffalo the other big risk.

keylime_5
03-31-2010, 09:51 PM
if you look at the draft order, no team between jacksonville and the vikings is gonna draft a QB in the first round this year. I don't think the Jags will take a QB there either. I think it's either Washington, Buffalo, or free fall for Jimmy. Of course I think someone would jump the Vikings in a tradeup if that happens, the price is too cheap to not take that kind of chance. Minnesota would probably have to trade up a few spots themselves to ensure that they get him. It would become a game of draft-trade russian roulette.

Cicero
03-31-2010, 09:51 PM
Seattle won't pick him. As you recall, they traded their pants for Whitehurst and they have the savior Mike Teel.

I really wish Arizona would have made them a better offer...

MikeTeel
03-31-2010, 09:52 PM
Seattle won't pick him. As you recall, they traded their pants for Whitehurst and they have the savior Mike Teel.

Irrelevant. If hes there at 14, they will pick him. 3rd and moving up in the 2nd isnt neccesarily trading the pants, more like the socks.

JFLO
03-31-2010, 10:14 PM
I would love to see Clausen end up in Minnesota, I think he's the best quarterback and a Top 5 prospect in the draft. I still think he's going Top 10.

Flyboy
03-31-2010, 10:41 PM
EDIT: And if it happens a lot of teams will regret it.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I love Clausen as a QB prospect opposed to say Sam Bradford.

billsfootball15
03-31-2010, 10:57 PM
Clausen will be a Buffalo Bill. I really dont see him on any other team. I am not his biggest fan, but I think he could def make it work up in BLO

holt_bruce81
03-31-2010, 11:16 PM
I'm not a Clausen fan at all. I don't know if he will or won't get drafted in the top 20, but I don't think he's worth a top 20 selection.

parcells
03-31-2010, 11:17 PM
There's a couple of things working against Clausen. The first is that he hasn't been setting the world on fire with his interviews from what I've been hearing. While he's got legitimate first round talent, it's not like he's the best QB prospect we've seen in the last half decade. Another thing that could hurt him is the Brady Quinn comparison. It was a big surprise to see Brady fall three years ago, however it looks like a lot of teams were justified in letting him fall as we saw this offseason that he got dealt for a six pack of Coors, a box of pretzels, and some old porno mags. If teams get a similar vibe, it's gonna give them more courage to pass him up. Finally, it's not like this is a draft with slim pickings. There's a lot of legitimate talent at a lot of other positions. Teams passing on Clausen even in the late teens will likely believe they are drafting legit future Pro Bowl talents.

vikes_28
03-31-2010, 11:18 PM
I really hope as a vikings fan that he falls.

Handel
03-31-2010, 11:42 PM
Wouldn't be the first time it's happened, but I'd be surprised if he made it past Buffalo. I think he'd be a good pick for them.

Buffalo could make a Ted Ginn show (same draft spot)...

wogitalia
04-01-2010, 12:37 AM
I really hope as a vikings fan that he falls.

And perhaps even more hope related... that Childress takes him.

akvikefan89
04-01-2010, 12:50 AM
I wish I didn't hate his personality so much... cause I think there's a legit chance the Vikings could land him without moving up more than 5 picks or so...

Unbiased
04-01-2010, 07:04 PM
I'd be willing to bet that he's gone at pick 10 unless someone like Berry, Suh, or McCoy falls (which won't happen).

coCANES17
04-01-2010, 07:14 PM
Mort throwing a dart at the wall to see if it'll stick is always good for a small laugh at the very least. He probably got a text from a low level scout that just felt like messing with him. Sounds like more pre draft posturing if anything. A lot of these guys like to make crazy predictions just to be the ones to say "Hey I told you so" if it happens but it rarely if ever comes to fruition. Clausen does not fall out of the Top 10. Mort's just becoming a punchline at this point. Step aside and let Schefter handle the reporting. At least he is treating his job and what he is saying with some air of seriousness.

BaLLiN
04-01-2010, 07:44 PM
is there any possibility that San Francisco would take him, they do have two first round picks, and Alex Smith and David Carr have both been busts. It wouldnt make sense because of the money involved at the QB position but...

Babylon
04-01-2010, 08:06 PM
There's a couple of things working against Clausen. The first is that he hasn't been setting the world on fire with his interviews from what I've been hearing. While he's got legitimate first round talent, it's not like he's the best QB prospect we've seen in the last half decade. Another thing that could hurt him is the Brady Quinn comparison. It was a big surprise to see Brady fall three years ago, however it looks like a lot of teams were justified in letting him fall as we saw this offseason that he got dealt for a six pack of Coors, a box of pretzels, and some old porno mags. If teams get a similar vibe, it's gonna give them more courage to pass him up. Finally, it's not like this is a draft with slim pickings. There's a lot of legitimate talent at a lot of other positions. Teams passing on Clausen even in the late teens will likely believe they are drafting legit future Pro Bowl talents.

Not a prerequisite to be drafted early.

Complex
04-01-2010, 08:08 PM
He was the LeBron James of Football coming out of High school....

RealityCheck
04-01-2010, 08:10 PM
...and Alex Smith and David Carr have both been busts.
Oh no you didn't.

regoob2
04-01-2010, 08:25 PM
There's a couple of things working against Clausen. The first is that he hasn't been setting the world on fire with his interviews from what I've been hearing. While he's got legitimate first round talent, it's not like he's the best QB prospect we've seen in the last half decade. Another thing that could hurt him is the Brady Quinn comparison. It was a big surprise to see Brady fall three years ago, however it looks like a lot of teams were justified in letting him fall as we saw this offseason that he got dealt for a six pack of Coors, a box of pretzels, and some old porno mags. If teams get a similar vibe, it's gonna give them more courage to pass him up. Finally, it's not like this is a draft with slim pickings. There's a lot of legitimate talent at a lot of other positions. Teams passing on Clausen even in the late teens will likely believe they are drafting legit future Pro Bowl talents.
He's the best QB in the last tenth of a decade.

TT Gator
04-02-2010, 04:34 AM
As a Minnesota fan i'd love to see this scenerio but it's just not realistic. For whatever reason 90% of the so called draft experts at ESPN hate Clausen. He's the most ready QB in this draft. Washington, Seattle, or Buffalo WILL draft him. Comparing him to Quinn is absurd. Clausen had 3 years under one of the best offensive coordinators in the game, he threw the ball more than 15 yards down the field unlike Quinn, and has shown toughness year in and year out at Notre Dame. He's the #1 QB on my board and if he falls out of the Top 15 it's blasphemy.

GoRavens
04-02-2010, 07:18 AM
I'm not buying into this at all.
Clausen is more talented than Bradford in every aspect of being a QB.
If anything it should be Bradford who slips, due to his lack of arm strength, injury and durability concerns.
It's just a wild guess to say Clausen will slip out of the top 20.
I see it happening like this;
QB Sam Bradford - Rams
QB Jimmy Clausen - Browns

molenguinurtle
04-02-2010, 09:06 AM
As a Jaguars fan, I would hope we wouldn't pass on him if he's there at 10. IMO he's the best QB in this draft, and we need a franchise signal caller so bad. Garrard ain't it. I remember Aaron Rodgers supposedly having entitlement/ego issues coming out as well. Now he's making a lot of people regret letting him fall that far.

IrishBrowns
04-02-2010, 03:22 PM
might as well just wait til his pro day on April 9th, and that will make a big difference...just the way Clausen is, I see him lighting it up which will definitely keep him in the top portion of the draft

boknows34
04-02-2010, 03:58 PM
is there any possibility that San Francisco would take him, they do have two first round picks, and Alex Smith and David Carr have both been busts. It wouldnt make sense because of the money involved at the QB position but...


I think the 49ers are dark horses too if he stops dropping, especially with those two 1st rd picks. Clausen is from California as well.

K Train
04-02-2010, 04:09 PM
it would be criminal to let him slide that far and take alex smith, i mean sam bradford number 1

it would be incredibly similar to 2005 though, alex smith going first and rodgers falling

clausen is similar to rodgers, bradford is alex smith. it would be weird

bored of education
04-02-2010, 04:39 PM
He was the LeBron James of Football coming out of High school....

is that good or bad? Going straight from H.S to NBA is a much easier transition from H.S to NFL. LeBron was already a man at the age 17, Clausen was just a good Qb with good pedigree and was a douchebag in a fur coat on signing day. That does not make Clausen good.

Complex
04-02-2010, 04:43 PM
is that good or bad? Going straight from H.S to NBA is a much easier transition from H.S to NFL. LeBron was already a man at the age 17, Clausen was just a good Qb with good pedigree and was a douchebag in a fur coat on signing day. That does not make Clausen good.

I just thought it was funny that people thought he was the Lebron James of football. He couldn't even dominate in college...

MidwayMonster31
04-02-2010, 06:20 PM
If Buffalo passes on him at 9, it will be for the same reason that the Dolphins passed on Quinn. That's fit. The Bills need a big-armed QB to cut through the wind, so it wouldn't surprise me if they pick Skelton in the 3rd round.
I forgot which thread it was, but Scott Wright said that there's a reason that the same teams are picking early in the draft year after year.
They ignore the obvious stuff, like his incredible Football IQ, his experience in a pro-style offense, sound mechanics, accuracy, poise in the pocket, and the fact that he went well out of his way to put together a training camp with his receivers and tight ends last offseason.
Instead, they focus on things like some jackass punching him, his supposed sense of entitlement (never mind that Weis and Clausen's teammates praised his work ethic and leadership), and that he didn't win. Once again, never mind that he was playing with an atrocious defense. In those last 4 games, they gave up 128 points (2 on a safety), and 1700 yards.
I think if Washington and Seattle pass on him, Shanahan and Carroll will both be gone within 3 years.
EDIT: Nevermind about Seattle. I forgot about Whitehurst

marshallb
04-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Please God, please...I don't ask for much.

I'd absolutely love it if he fell into the 20s and would jump up 5+ picks if necessary to grab him. I'd move up just to assure that we'd get him rather than take the chance that a team in the early 2nd round would jump ahead of us and steal him from us.

I also don't get all the Clausen hate. He may not be one of the best QB prospects we've seen in the past few years, but he is a damn good prospect in his own right and has everything an NFL QB needs. I don't love his attitude and character, but his talent is more than enough.

wicket
04-02-2010, 07:15 PM
another thing I was thinking, everybody is talking about how the pats could take tebow but they are never mentioned in the clausen sweepstakes if he should fall. with the history with weis they should know the in and outs of the kid. couldnt the pats do the same the packers did a few years ago

BuffaloBillsFan
04-02-2010, 11:49 PM
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buffalo BETTER TAKE CLAUSEN!!!!! Or I will be FURIOUS, I will just get piss drunk at Bills games and BE FURIOUS ALL GAME LONG. I will shout obscenities relentlessly and I will piss in the sink even if there isn't a line!!!

Rob S
04-02-2010, 11:59 PM
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buffalo BETTER TAKE CLAUSEN!!!!! Or I will be FURIOUS, I will just get piss drunk at Bills games and BE FURIOUS ALL GAME LONG. I will shout obscenities relentlessly and I will piss in the sink even if there isn't a line!!!

And this is different from this year how? haha.....Also, you pretty much piss in a sink at the Ralph anyways.

FlyingElvis
04-03-2010, 12:12 AM
Whatever Mort.

He will be drafted top 10.

I can't believe all the BS is being bought about him having character and leadership issues.

Babylon
04-03-2010, 04:16 PM
another thing I was thinking, everybody is talking about how the pats could take tebow but they are never mentioned in the clausen sweepstakes if he should fall. with the history with weis they should know the in and outs of the kid. couldnt the pats do the same the packers did a few years ago

I think the Pats interest in Tebow would be with their second round picks. As for Clausen i think he would fit in but i dont think they can afford to go QB in the first. Trading down and trying to get by with 2nd and 3rd round picks have caught up to them.

AntoinCD
04-03-2010, 04:24 PM
I think the Pats interest in Tebow would be with their second round picks. As for Clausen i think he would fit in but i dont think they can afford to go QB in the first. Trading down and trying to get by with 2nd and 3rd round picks have caught up to them.

I think the thing with Tebow and the Pats is most teams like Washington, Buffalo etc being linked have a pretty big need at QB. Tebow could come in and sit for 3 or 4 years then if Brady is still playing at a very high level then he could be traded. If Brady's play has declined significantly then he can come in and start. All the meanwhile he can also help out in different scenarios, be it running, throwing, cathcing etc.

Clausen however is solely a dropback passer who realistically doesnt need those 4 years to sit. He is pro ready now and the Pats dont need one right now.

In 4 years time Tebow could be either a major bust at QB or very, very good but he would have the best opportunity in NE. It's not a very good situation for Clausen though.

Babylon
04-03-2010, 04:31 PM
I think the thing with Tebow and the Pats is most teams like Washington, Buffalo etc being linked have a pretty big need at QB. Tebow could come in and sit for 3 or 4 years then if Brady is still playing at a very high level then he could be traded. If Brady's play has declined significantly then he can come in and start. All the meanwhile he can also help out in different scenarios, be it running, throwing, cathcing etc.

Clausen however is solely a dropback passer who realistically doesnt need those 4 years to sit. He is pro ready now and the Pats dont need one right now.

In 4 years time Tebow could be either a major bust at QB or very, very good but he would have the best opportunity in NE. It's not a very good situation for Clausen though.

I think you're right but i did say they had other needs in round 1 besides a QB and i think that will play out.

AntoinCD
04-03-2010, 04:45 PM
I think you're right but i did say they had other needs in round 1 besides a QB and i think that will play out.

Yea I was just talkin about the two QBs situations. Im not sure the Pats would consider either in the 1st but someone will. I definitely expect Tebow to go first day.

As for Clausen he wont go further than 12-15 range with someone going up for him

initial_flo
04-04-2010, 03:17 PM
The whole supply and demand thing is why he will definitely get picked before 20 and probably in the top 5 or 10.

The pickings are slim (and that's an understatement even for the foreseeable future) and everyone finally knows that this is a QB league.

I don't think he jumps Washington, Seattle, Cleveland, Buffalo, Jacksonville, San Fran, a trade up etc just because of the value position and his perceived value.

I'm with everyone who thinks he's going to Washington.

And there's zero downside to taking Clausen until he actually takes the field. There's hype, hope, and you can easily sell it to the people.

keylime_5
04-04-2010, 03:25 PM
considering that the Redskins' have 0 guys who should be starting OTs in the NFL starting for them at both their OT spots, I think they'll take Okung. The fact that guys like Tebow and McCoy in late round 1/early round 2 who are intriguing prospects might make pick even easier for the 'Skins. Would you rather have Okung + Tebow/McCoy or Clausen + Brown/Saffold?

SenorGato
04-04-2010, 03:33 PM
another thing I was thinking, everybody is talking about how the pats could take tebow but they are never mentioned in the clausen sweepstakes if he should fall. with the history with weis they should know the in and outs of the kid. couldnt the pats do the same the packers did a few years ago

Yes...Pats would love one of the two QBs to fall to them IMO. I threw this scenario out a few months ago on Jetsinsiders...didn't get alot of feedback...but the possibility exists and is more interesting than most.

initial_flo
04-04-2010, 03:37 PM
considering that the Redskins' have 0 guys who should be starting OTs in the NFL starting for them at both their OT spots, I think they'll take Okung. The fact that guys like Tebow and McCoy in late round 1/early round 2 who are intriguing prospects might make pick even easier for the 'Skins. Would you rather have Okung + Tebow/McCoy or Clausen + Brown/Saffold?

Honestly, the second option.

I'm on the Tebow/MCcoy are backups at best side of things...

But now thinking about Okung, X second round talent that's not one of those QBs and sticking with Campbell, that's a tough call.

keylime_5
04-04-2010, 03:56 PM
I think if you take Okung and Tebow/McCoy you get one sure thing as a good probably pro bowl left tackle and then a guy who is a low risk, high reward prospect and probably at worst a backup QB. If you take Clausen and Brown or Saffold then the chances are much much higher that you get a bust QB and a mediocre lineman who won't help your line that much until later in their rookie season at the earliest. 2nd round left tackles aren't much better than 2nd round QBs really: Tony Ugoh, Winston Justice, Khalif Barnes, etc.

BufFan71
04-05-2010, 08:21 AM
Since the redskins got McNabb, i see Clausen falling to pick 9 at buffalo.

And if buffalo passes on him, it will be an even bigger mistake than taking Donte Witner 8th overall in 2006

AntoinCD
04-05-2010, 08:31 AM
With McNabb going to Washington it pretty much guarantees at least 3 maybe 4 OTs will be off the board by the time Buffalo picks.

Detroit could take an OT
Washington will take an OT
KC will probably take an OT
Seattle may take an OT
Cleveland could possibly take one but unlikely
Oakland probably will take an OT

Realistically the Bills will have to choose between Clausen if he's there, the 4th or 5th OT, McClain, Dez Bryant or a DE.

If they didn't take Clausen it would be a monumental mistake.

ndbigdave
04-05-2010, 08:53 AM
I think it is safe to say that Clausen is out of the top 5 at this point.

Here is my read on the QB situations of the teams picking:
1 - Rams - Looks like they go Bradford with their pick
2 - Lions - Stafford drafted last year
3 - Bucs - Drafted Freeman last year
4 - Skins - Just got McNabb still have Campbell for right now
5 - Chiefs - They have Cassel and his massive contract
6 - Hawks - Just traded for Whitehurst, still have Hasselback
7 - Browns - They have the need, but will they go this route after Quinn?
8 - Raiders - Clausen doesnt run a 4.2 - not giving up on Russel
9 - Bills - Another team with a ton of needs, does Jimmy fit into Buffalo?
10 - Jags - I doubt they give up on Gerrard, hometown Tebow who many want
11 - Broncos - Orton and now Quinn here
12 - Phins - Henne seems to be their guy.
13 - 49ers - Alex Smith and David Carr...darkhorse team here
14 - Hawks - Same reasons as number 6, but are they tempted at 14?
15 - Gmen - Eli Manning
16 - Titans - Vince Young...
17 - 49ers - Again...Alex Smith and David Carr? Could they pass on a franchise QB twice?
18 - Steelers - They have Big Ben, interesting offseason for him thus far. Doubt Steelers throw gas on the fire by drafting a 1st rd QB.
19 - Falcons - Matt Ryan.
20 - Texans - Matt Schaub
21 - Bengals - Carson Palmer
22 - Pats - Tom Brady - but do they pass on the heir apparent here?
23 - Pack - Aaron Rodgers
24 - Eagles - They have enough issues with their QB situation. Kolbs team now.
25 - Ravens - Flacco is here
26 - Zona - This could be interesting as Lienhart hasnt proven much.
27 - 'Boys -Romo is here, too close to SB to pass on filling other holes
28 - Chargers - Phillip Rivers
29 - Jets - Matt Sanchez
30 - Vikings - Seems like a perfect fit
31 - Colts - same position as NE though colts have other holes
32 - Saints - Drew Brees


So there you have it.
I see two real legit spots in the top 10 with teams that NEED a QB, but both those teams have other MAJOR holes that the team could choose to fill with the high pick. then you get into the teens where it appears that the 49ers would be a dark horse, maybe the Seahawks are tempted at #14. Otherwise we may be looking at a big drop or a team trading up to get him.

ndbigdave
04-05-2010, 08:59 AM
With McNabb going to Washington it pretty much guarantees at least 3 maybe 4 OTs will be off the board by the time Buffalo picks.

Detroit could take an OT
Washington will take an OT
KC will probably take an OT
Seattle may take an OT
Cleveland could possibly take one but unlikely
Oakland probably will take an OT

Realistically the Bills will have to choose between Clausen if he's there, the 4th or 5th OT, McClain, Dez Bryant or a DE.

If they didn't take Clausen it would be a monumental mistake.

Going off of your analysis...

Detroit COULD go tackle but I doubt it (Going Suh or McCoy)
Washington WILL go tackle (or should) likely Okung
KC SHOULD go tackle but might not (Davis or Bulaga)
Seattle makes sense to go Oline (Best o-line available)
Cleveland I doubt goes o-line (BPA - Haden? McClain? JPP?)
Oakland could take o-line (Campbell or Best oline available)

So going off of that, I would think that there are likely 3 top O-Line prospects off the board with MAYBE 4 and a stretch MAYBE 5 gone. If O-line guys are gone it likely means Buffalo is faced with Clausen, McClain, Haden, JPP and Dez at #9 for the "BPA's"

JFLO
04-05-2010, 09:13 AM
I'm starting to believe that Clausen is going to fall past #9. Now that Washington is out of the picture, I think his best bet is Buffalo, but I'm starting to also believe more that Buffalo is going to go hard after Tim Tebow now that Washington has McNabb. I'm not saying Tebow is going #9, but Buffalo would trade up somewhere in the 25-32 range and pick up the Golden Boy.

So where does this leave Clausen? I think his biggest chance is going to be San Francisco, even though Alex Smith clearly has the starting job in September. Alex Smith has been inconsistent since he was the #1 pick in April of '05 and why not pick up potential insurance and a possible franchise starting quarterback in Clausen.

If he slips past SF at #13 and #17, then it's fair game from there on out. I really don't think Arizona picks a quarterback until the later rounds, if one at all this year. Selecting Clausen while you already have Leinart and Derek Anderson would be useless.

In Minnesota's case, I don't think they'll trade up to take Clausen, but they may take him if he slips all the way to #30. If they didn't trade for McNabb, then they're not going to trade for Clausen, especially considering the fact that they would most likely have to pay him up to 10 million dollars more if they were to pick him at say #18 or #19.

I don't know what to say for Clausen at this point. He lost probably $15-20 million last night and it's a free fall from here in my opinion.

Splat
04-05-2010, 09:14 AM
I still think he goes in the 7-10 range, someone trading up to #5 would be even better.:)

AntoinCD
04-05-2010, 09:34 AM
I think Buffalo could target Tebow but its not a cast iron certainty he'll be available when they want him. Im not sure how much to read into the whole Jim Kelly thing but he didn't exactly give Tebow a ringing endorsement by saying he would recommend him just not in the first.

NIN1984
04-05-2010, 10:12 AM
I think the Chiefs will get some calls for the #5 pick. If there are some teams that really like Clausen they might want to jump ahead of the Browns.

Matthew Jones
04-05-2010, 10:16 AM
Just curious, if any Raiders fans come in here, I would like to know if it is at all likely that the Raiders would take Clausen at #8 overall and cut JaMarcus? I mean, the fact that they were going for McNabb is at least somewhat of a concession that JaMarcus sucks, right? So is it possible that they could be set on replacing him this year no matter what?

Addict
04-05-2010, 10:16 AM
if he falls out of the top 20 I know one player who will have a built-in hate for the Eagles.

Complex
04-05-2010, 10:46 AM
Any chance he falls out of the 1st round?

619
04-05-2010, 10:59 AM
Just curious, if any Raiders fans come in here, I would like to know if it is at all likely that the Raiders would take Clausen at #8 overall and cut JaMarcus? I mean, the fact that they were going for McNabb is at least somewhat of a concession that JaMarcus sucks, right? So is it possible that they could be set on replacing him this year no matter what?

I'd consider it highly unlikely that Al Davis would consider going through the top of the draft again to find a replacement for JaMarcus. My belief is that the organization is completely set on going the veteran route instead. It makes sense given the majority of the team, albeit young and still relatively inexperienced, is in place to make some major strides next season.

You could argue that Gradkowski could start for a year or two while a young future QB like Clausen sat and learned from the sidelines, however, that proposition is not as appealing as going after another young, far cheaper option in Jason Campbell.

Either way, the concession was likely already made that JaMarcus is no longer the future. There were whispers that JaMarcus would be cut in light of a McNabb deal, and it wouldn't shock me to see it happen regardless of which QB we add this offseason, whether via trade or the top rounds of the draft.

But a combo of Clausen + Tate would've been awesome, wouldn't it? We're actually said to be interested in the latter, too.

San Diego Chicken
04-05-2010, 11:40 AM
If Seattle really decides to eschew Clausen twice, for Charlie friggin' Whitehurst, I will have lost all faith in NFL front offices.

Can someone tell me exactly what Clausen does wrong on the football field? I can nitpick, but as others have mentioned, this draft is eerily similar to 2005 when Aaron Rodgers fell for reasons still unknown. How many teams want a do-over on that draft? Every single team in the top 10 that year probably wishes they didn't pass him up.

Complex
04-05-2010, 11:44 AM
If Seattle really decides to eschew Clausen twice, for Charlie friggin' Whitehurst, I will have lost all faith in NFL front offices.

Can someone tell me exactly what Clausen does wrong on the football field? I can nitpick, but as others have mentioned, this draft is eerily similar to 2005 when Aaron Rodgers fell for reasons still unknown. How many teams want a do-over on that draft? Every single team in the top 10 that year probably wishes they didn't pass him up.

or the draft when Brady Quinn fell.

JFLO
04-05-2010, 11:47 AM
I really don't see Clausen landing in Seattle, even if they had opportunities at both #6 and #14. They brought in Charlie Whitehurst (whether good or bad move) to be the franchise quarterback. They signed him to an extension and I doubt they are going to want to pay Jimmy Clausen 1st round money after already paying Whitehurst.

As of right now, I think Clausen ultimately lands in San Francisco, but that's just me.

San Diego Chicken
04-05-2010, 11:53 AM
I really don't see Clausen landing in Seattle, even if they had opportunities at both #6 and #14. They brought in Charlie Whitehurst (whether good or bad move) to be the franchise quarterback. They signed him to an extension and I doubt they are going to want to pay Jimmy Clausen 1st round money after already paying Whitehurst.

As of right now, I think Clausen ultimately lands in San Francisco, but that's just me.

I don't think Whitehurst's new deal is starter-level money. If they're really relying on him to be their "franchise QB", well, they're wrong. I would bet good money that Clausen is better than Whitehurst today. Not just 2-3 years from now, but today.

I've seen Whitehurst more than nearly anyone out in public and unless they tank the season and draft Locker next year, this will be the death of Pete Carroll.

San Diego Chicken
04-05-2010, 11:56 AM
or the draft when Brady Quinn fell.

I see it more like Rodgers. Quinn had bad accuracy and poor mechanics. It was prudent to ask if he was a "system" quarterback. Clausen on the other hand, was the #1 prospect in his HS class. He would have been a first round pick no matter where he went to play college ball.

There are significantly fewer holes to Clausen's game than Quinn's, but the NFL his holding Quinn's failure over his head, like they did with Rodgers w/r/t Jeff Tedford coached quarterbacks.

ndbigdave
04-05-2010, 12:06 PM
I really don't see Clausen landing in Seattle, even if they had opportunities at both #6 and #14. They brought in Charlie Whitehurst (whether good or bad move) to be the franchise quarterback. They signed him to an extension and I doubt they are going to want to pay Jimmy Clausen 1st round money after already paying Whitehurst.

As of right now, I think Clausen ultimately lands in San Francisco, but that's just me.

With two first round picks, the 49ers are in the perfect position to draft Clausen and fill another hole.

Clausen would be in a GREAT situation in San Fransisco. Two former #1 overall picks who have gotten beaten down and learned some very valuable lessons, both Smith and Carr are on decent contracts which means they dont have to be cut to make room for Clausen. Smith showed enough last year that he can start this season out and keep things moving, if Smith stinks it up Carr can get a shot to show off what he has in the tank (he could treat it as a tryout for the rest of the league for the 2011/2012 season) meanwhile Clausen can sit on the sidelines and learn.

Worth noting that Clausen would step into a team with a Pro-Bowl TE (Davis) a Pro-Bowl RB (Gore) and a potential Pro-Bowl caliber WR (Crabtree) the 49ers also have pieces along the line and are continuing to build a line that wont make Clausen a punching bag (Staley is a keeper, Rachel has potential) plus the 49ers have another 1st rd pick and a solid 2nd pick to add guys that should be immediate contributors.

Babylon
04-05-2010, 01:19 PM
I don't think Whitehurst's new deal is starter-level money. If they're really relying on him to be their "franchise QB", well, they're wrong. I would bet good money that Clausen is better than Whitehurst today. Not just 2-3 years from now, but today.

I've seen Whitehurst more than nearly anyone out in public and unless they tank the season and draft Locker next year, this will be the death of Pete Carroll.

I like the way you're thinking there but i have to admit i have been baffled by what Carroll is doing. There isnt even a guarantee that Whitehurst will beat out Hasselbeck.

I think Carroll is trying to make a little noise and roll the dice on QB that i guess in the best case scenario would turn out to be another Matt Cassel. If Locker isnt on the roster opening day of 2011 then i'm calling them not too bright.

SRK85
04-05-2010, 02:54 PM
Buffalo will not take Clausen they will be patient and try to get Tebow in the second round.

Addict
04-05-2010, 03:52 PM
Any chance he falls out of the 1st round?

no there's no way he gets by the Vikes @30

Halsey
04-05-2010, 04:36 PM
I gotta admit: I'm starting to second guess my opinion of Clausen. There are two main things that worry me about him right now. First, he hasn't used the offseason process to make team like him better. Maybe there really is something to his leadership questions. I will say that he doesn't seem to be a great communicator. Secondly, the idea that QBs worth a top 10 pick should have some kind of elite trait. Maybe that's a legit reason to pass on Clausen for teams like Buffalo and Cleveland. I just know it's a QB starved Draft and somebody should give this guy a shot in the first round. Second round should be his absolute floor on Draft day.

Babylon
04-05-2010, 04:44 PM
I gotta admit: I'm starting to second guess my opinion of Clausen. There are two main things that worry me about him right now. First, he hasn't used the offseason process to make team like him better. Maybe there really is something to his leadership questions. I will say that he doesn't seem to be a great communicator. Secondly, the idea that QBs worth a top 10 pick should have some kind of elite trait. Maybe that's a legit reason to pass on Clausen for teams like Buffalo and Cleveland. I just know it's a QB starved Draft and somebody should give this guy a shot in the first round. Second round should be his absolute floor on Draft day.

He did have the foot problem that has slowed him down, of course people are going to read what they want into his personality.

As for taking QBs early that dont have an outstanding trait there's a long list of them like Joey Harrington, David Carr, Tim Couch, Akili Smith.......i'm still trying to figure what their claim to fame was.

Shane P. Hallam
04-05-2010, 04:48 PM
I gotta admit: I'm starting to second guess my opinion of Clausen. There are two main things that worry me about him right now. First, he hasn't used the offseason process to make team like him better. Maybe there really is something to his leadership questions. I will say that he doesn't seem to be a great communicator. Secondly, the idea that QBs worth a top 10 pick should have some kind of elite trait. Maybe that's a legit reason to pass on Clausen for teams like Buffalo and Cleveland. I just know it's a QB starved Draft and somebody should give this guy a shot in the first round. Second round should be his absolute floor on Draft day.

I like your second point. Similar to Brandon Graham, teams just can't pull the trigger on a guy in the Top 10 without seeing that elite quality that can make them a Hall of Fame type of player, especially a franchise QB. It's why Graham won't be a top 15 pick despite being very productive, and likely why Clausen will fall into the 20s despite very good stats at Notre Dame this past year.

Was it a mistake for him to come out early? The QB class points to it being a good decision, but could another year at Notre Dame under Kelly with a very good offense still helped him had they been a successful team and answered these leadership questions?

superfly69
04-05-2010, 06:13 PM
I have thought all along that if he fell to #26 the Cards would take him. But I still think if he falls into the mid-teens someone trades up for him.

BaLLiN
04-06-2010, 01:39 PM
Mel Kiper just said on sportscenter that we shouldn't rule out Jimmy Clausen to the Raiders...

toddmlazarchick
04-06-2010, 01:55 PM
Dont rule out Clausen to Washington either. After the press conference with Shanahan introducing McNabb there was an interview with Kelly Johnson and Shanahan and she asked him what he is going to tell or do with Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford still slated to visit Washington. He said that the trade for McNabb doesn't exclude us from a QB selection. Donovan McNabb makes us better for the near future but we also are planning long term. He also said that the Rivers/Brees and Rodgers/Favre plan has been discussed multiple times by the FO. He said he doesn't expect a rookie 1st round QB to come in a start right away anyway. If Bradford falls to #4 you have to think he will be the selection and dont rule out Clausen.

FlyingElvis
04-06-2010, 02:03 PM
I like the way you're thinking there but i have to admit i have been baffled by what Carroll is doing. There isnt even a guarantee that Whitehurst will beat out Hasselbeck.

I think Carroll is trying to make a little noise and roll the dice on QB that i guess in the best case scenario would turn out to be another Matt Cassel. If Locker isnt on the roster opening day of 2011 then i'm calling them not too bright.

Pete Carroll had so many extra draft picks in his tenure in New England it's ridiculous. Yet he still managed to suck, both in the draft and as a coach. Good luck to you, Seattle.

1999 - an extra 1st rounder
1998 - an extra 1st, 2nd and 3rd
1997 - an extra 3rd and 4th

The guy squanders picks like a fiend. The only good picks he made through all of that were Kevin Faulk (too high, at the time) and Robert Edwards (******* sand!) . . . . after that his best pick is either Woody as a center in round one or Tebucky Jones as a safety in round one. Both were good pros but not 1st round bang for the buck players, imo. How he was hired to come back into the NFL is beyond me.

Hurricanes25
04-06-2010, 02:07 PM
Dont rule out Clausen to Washington either. After the press conference with Shanahan introducing McNabb there was an interview with Kelly Johnson and Shanahan and she asked him what he is going to tell or do with Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford still slated to visit Washington. He said that the trade for McNabb doesn't exclude us from a QB selection. Donovan McNabb makes us better for the near future but we also are planning long term. He also said that the Rivers/Brees and Rodgers/Favre plan has been discussed multiple times by the FO. He said he doesn't expect a rookie 1st round QB to come in a start right away anyway. If Bradford falls to #4 you have to think he will be the selection and dont rule out Clausen.

That has smokescreen written all over it. If Bradford does fall to them, I think they'll trade down and grab themselves a LT.

toddmlazarchick
04-06-2010, 02:10 PM
That has smokescreen written all over it. If Bradford does fall to them, I think they'll trade down and grab themselves a LT.

Nothing is to say we dont take Bradford and trade back into the late first or top 2nd for Brown or Saffold who are better ZBS fits then Okung and Bulaga.

Hurricanes25
04-06-2010, 02:19 PM
Nothing is to say we dont take Bradford and trade back into the late first or top 2nd for Brown or Saffold who are better ZBS fits then Okung and Bulaga.

It's definately a possibility but they are built to win now so taking a QB in the top 5 doesn't make much sense when they could just take a "premier" LT and then go in another direction in the second. Just my opinion.

Larry121283
04-06-2010, 02:22 PM
Been saying this for a while, and its not a slight on Clausen, because he can be a good NFL QB...its just a combination of not having anything that really stands out as a ++ on his skill set, teams being gun shy at QB if they aren't elite in their eyes, and a lot of really good players in the league.

This situation with Bradford and Clausen is eerily similar to Rodgers/Smith...

I was really high on Rodgers coming out, thought he was the best QB (although, unlike Clausen, I thought Rodgers was #1 overall worthy)...Rodgers slid deep into the first round, Smith goes first overall, and Rodgers is given time to develop and ultimately ends up the better QB by a large margin (Smith is generally considered a bust at this point, although he is being given a second shot at glory).

Bradford is similar to Chad Pennington, IMO. #1 overall is really high for him, especially considering the injury questions and going to the Rams which is going to be terrible situation for a rookie QB. Clausen is a guy that I think will have a career that falls somewhere between Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn.

FrankGore
04-06-2010, 02:42 PM
Clausen is a guy that I think will have a career that falls somewhere between Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn.

So he's going to be somewhere between complete crap or setting a HOF/record-breaking pace in his first couple years as a starter?

Just busting your balls, but that's a wiiiiiide range you set there. Lol

BigBanger
04-06-2010, 02:45 PM
Jimmy Clausen sucks... I've been saying it all along. He doesn't have a strong enough arm for Oakland, but he does have the **** attitude they look for. I expect them to go with the Tackle from Maryland. He's more their style.

FrankGore
04-06-2010, 03:00 PM
The more I think about it, the more I consider SF as a logical landing spot. It'll get very interesting if he's there at not just #13, but #17 also.

JFLO
04-06-2010, 03:18 PM
Jimmy Clausen sucks... I've been saying it all along. He doesn't have a strong enough arm for Oakland, but he does have the **** attitude they look for. I expect them to go with the Tackle from Maryland. He's more their style.

Thank you Todd McShay.

I really don't understand the criticism against Clausen. He is, without a doubt,the most professional ready quarterback in the class. I think people don't like him because he was a "Golden Boy" coming out of High School. Whether they don't feel like he lived up to expectations or they don't like him for the privelaged lifestle all together. He is a much safer pick than Sam Bradford would every be, even while healthy.

I'm still thinking San Francisco is the option, then Minnesota at #30 would be his last chance in the 1st round.

Babylon
04-06-2010, 04:16 PM
Pete Carroll had so many extra draft picks in his tenure in New England it's ridiculous. Yet he still managed to suck, both in the draft and as a coach. Good luck to you, Seattle.

1999 - an extra 1st rounder
1998 - an extra 1st, 2nd and 3rd
1997 - an extra 3rd and 4th

The guy squanders picks like a fiend. The only good picks he made through all of that were Kevin Faulk (too high, at the time) and Robert Edwards (******* sand!) . . . . after that his best pick is either Woody as a center in round one or Tebucky Jones as a safety in round one. Both were good pros but not 1st round bang for the buck players, imo. How he was hired to come back into the NFL is beyond me.

Yeah i was never impressed with him in New England where i still have family ties. I would hope maybe he's learned a thing or two over the years. As of now all he's done to piss me off is rumored stuff as in they may sign x in free agency or they may draft y. I'll let you know in a couple of weeks what i think of him.

yourfavestoner
04-06-2010, 04:19 PM
There is no way that Clausen doesn't go in the top ten.

Mark ******* Sanchez went sixth overall for Christ's sake. Clausen's pretty much identical to Sanchez measurables-wise and actually started for longer than one season.

Then again, Clausen isn't a pre-programmed robot trained to say all the right things with a fake smile like Sanchez was coming out of the draft last year, either.

619
04-06-2010, 04:23 PM
There is no way that Clausen doesn't go in the top ten.

Mark ******* Sanchez went sixth overall for Christ's sake.

You shut your mouth.

And yes, Clausen should go top 10, not necessarily certain he will; either way some team will trade up into the top 15 picks to get their franchise guy.

yourfavestoner
04-06-2010, 04:50 PM
You shut your mouth.

And yes, Clausen should go top 10, not necessarily certain he will; either way some team will trade up into the top 15 picks to get their franchise guy.

Come on, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to take a shot at the walking PR machine. ;)

Halsey
04-06-2010, 04:53 PM
There is no way that Clausen doesn't go in the top ten.

Mark ******* Sanchez went sixth overall for Christ's sake. Clausen's pretty much identical to Sanchez measurables-wise and actually started for longer than one season.

Then again, Clausen isn't a pre-programmed robot trained to say all the right things with a fake smile like Sanchez was coming out of the draft last year, either.

I think you're right that Sanchez didn't really have elite physical traits, but it can be argued that Sanchez showed much, much better leadership and communication skills. Did you read or see what Clausen said about having players over to his house? He sounded like a 16 year old.

Unbiased
04-06-2010, 05:03 PM
I think you're right that Sanchez didn't really have elite physical traits, but it can be argued that Sanchez showed much, much better leadership and communication skills. Did you read or see what Clausen said about having players over to his house? He sounded like a 16 year old.

Did you actually see and hear him say that or just interpret it through print? There was nothing weird or childish about what he said on the video.

Babylon
04-06-2010, 05:11 PM
There is no way that Clausen doesn't go in the top ten.

Mark ******* Sanchez went sixth overall for Christ's sake. Clausen's pretty much identical to Sanchez measurables-wise and actually started for longer than one season.

Then again, Clausen isn't a pre-programmed robot trained to say all the right things with a fake smile like Sanchez was coming out of the draft last year, either.

It sort of becomes supply and demand. The Redskins i think just took themselves out of the QB market and probably Seattle. He's a top 10 talent in my mind but might not go there.