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theMadStork
04-06-2010, 04:40 PM
2001 Raiders draft class is my favorite. Can anyone top this when it comes to bad classes top to bottom?

Rd Pick Overall Selection/Notes
1 28 28 S Derrick Gibson, Florida State
2 28 59 QB Marques Tuiasosopo, Washington
3 27 89 DE DeLawrence Grant, Oregon State
4 Raiders traded their 4th-round pick to St. Louis for TE Roland Williams
5 27 158 S Raymond Perryman, Northern Arizona
6 21 184 DE Chris Cooper, Nebraska-Omaha
7 28 228 RB Derek Combs, Ohio State
7 29 229 WR Ken-Yon Rambo, Ohio State

K Train
04-06-2010, 04:45 PM
yeah thats pretty terrible lol

yourfavestoner
04-06-2010, 04:49 PM
Packers 2004 draft was pretty epic in its failure.

Crazy_Chris
04-06-2010, 05:00 PM
2005 Minnesota Vikings probably should be considered as one of the worst

1(7).Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1(18).Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2(49).Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi
3(80).Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4(112).Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6(191).CJ Mosely DT Missouri
7(219).Adrian Ward DB Texas El-Paso

theMadStork
04-06-2010, 05:07 PM
2005 Minnesota Vikings probably should be considered as one of the worst

1(7).Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1(18).Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2(49).Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi
3(80).Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4(112).Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6(191).CJ Mosely DT Missouri
7(219).Adrian Ward DB Texas El-Paso

2 1st round busts IS pretty strong.

marshallb
04-06-2010, 05:50 PM
2005 Minnesota Vikings probably should be considered as one of the worst

1(7).Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1(18).Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2(49).Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi
3(80).Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4(112).Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6(191).CJ Mosely DT Missouri
7(219).Adrian Ward DB Texas El-Paso

This gets my vote. The 2004 Packers draft was pretty bad except for the 6th and 7th rounders(Corey Williams and Scott Wells) both of whom are starting still, I believe Wells is anyway.

TheSlinger
04-06-2010, 06:01 PM
2008 Jaguars is pretty strong, came in with 11 picks, left with 5 players. 3 have since been cut, the other two are Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves.

DcmRulz
04-06-2010, 06:38 PM
My vote is the '05 vikings, but for your consideration:

2003 Denver Broncos:
1 (20) George Foster OT Georgia
2 (51) Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
4 (108) Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma
4 (114) Nick Eason DT Clemson
4 (128) Bryant McNeal DE Clemson
5 (157) Ben Claxton C Mississippi
5 (158) Adrian Madise WR TCU
6 (194) Aaron Hunt DE Texas Tech
7 (227) Clint Mitchell DE Florida
7 (235) Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama

prock
04-06-2010, 06:41 PM
2005 Minnesota Vikings probably should be considered as one of the worst

1(7).Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1(18).Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2(49).Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi
3(80).Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4(112).Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6(191).CJ Mosely DT Missouri
7(219).Adrian Ward DB Texas El-Paso

Champion..

P-L
04-06-2010, 06:42 PM
All of Matt Millen's drafts.

LonghornsLegend
04-06-2010, 06:43 PM
I'm pretty sure a few Matt Millen classes should be in consideration for this list.


That Oakland and Minny class was pretty terrible though. Funny looking back at stuff like that, it was almost like they weren't even a part of the draft.

Addict
04-06-2010, 06:44 PM
Packers 2004 draft was pretty epic in its failure.

Scott Wells did okay, didn't he? Started like 60 games?

cvv84
04-06-2010, 06:49 PM
Scott Wells did okay, didn't he? Started like 60 games?

He's still starting for us. And Corey Williams was a damn fine DT in our rotation as well. I'm still can't believe we took Ahmad Carroll over Chris Gamble though...

Menardo75
04-06-2010, 07:14 PM
02 Niners is pretty bad

1 27 Mike Rumph DB Miami (Fla.)
3 69 Saleem Rasheed LB Alabama
4 102 Jeff Chandler K Florida
4 127 Kevin Curtis DB Texas Tech
5 163 Brandon Doman QB Brigham Young
5 172 Josh Shaw DT Michigan State
6 201 Mark Anelli TE Wisconsin
7 239 Eric Heitmann G Stanford
7 248 Kyle Kosier T Arizona State
7 256 Teddy Gaines -- Tennessee

Heitmann is the only good pick in this draft.

umphrey
04-06-2010, 07:47 PM
Gotta have some high picks that bust out to make the cut

PhysicalwithanF
04-06-2010, 07:47 PM
02 Niners is pretty bad

1 27 Mike Rumph DB Miami (Fla.)
3 69 Saleem Rasheed LB Alabama
4 102 Jeff Chandler K Florida
4 127 Kevin Curtis DB Texas Tech
5 163 Brandon Doman QB Brigham Young
5 172 Josh Shaw DT Michigan State
6 201 Mark Anelli TE Wisconsin
7 239 Eric Heitmann G Stanford
7 248 Kyle Kosier T Arizona State
7 256 Teddy Gaines -- Tennessee

Heitmann is the only good pick in this draft.

Damn you Menardo for bringing that draft up..man Mike Rumph was bad.,.just a really really bad football player.

Those Viking and Raiders drafts are horrendous as well

Duffman57
04-06-2010, 08:03 PM
I'm not sure if this is one of the worst all time, but the Chargers 2003 draft was pretty horrible.

#16: Traded Away (Could have had Polamalu)
1: Sammy Davis DB, Tex A&M(Over Scrabble, so we basically passed up possibly the best CB and the best S in the league today)
2nd: Drayton Florence CB, Tuskugee (He was decent for a while, but has been just AWEFULL since)
2nd: Terrence Kiel CB, Texas A&M (I dont think he's still in the league)
3rd: Courtney Van Buren OT, Arkansas Pine Bluff (Again, dont think he's in the league anymore.)
4th: Matt Wilhelm ILB, Ohio State (He's been terrible with us, and i dont know where he is now)
5th: Mike Sifres P, Western Illinios (He's a BEAST)
6th: Hannik Milligan DB, Houston (Never heard of him, i'm guessing he's out of the league)
7th: Andrew Pinnock FB, Sout Carolina (Never been any more than a backup FB at best)

So basically, there was only one good player to come out of that draft and he was a Punter. That as well as we took 3 DB's in the first 2 rounds, and passed up 2 of the best DB's in the game today....Awesome...

K Train
04-06-2010, 08:05 PM
steelers 2009 draft will be right up there....wallace is good and david johnson is a decent blocker but hood, urbik, lewis, burnett, shipley and summers will be forgotten people in 3 years

maybe not burnett i do like the little guy

PhysicalwithanF
04-06-2010, 08:06 PM
Wilhelm is backing up Takeo Spikes in SF currently

Spectre
04-06-2010, 08:06 PM
Let me introduce you to the finest draft of this decade's biggest NFL success story - the Cleveland Browns. :P

Our 2000 draft was the worst in our recent history... not only for where we were picking but for how many picks we had and how quickly they bombed out of the league. Gotta love any draft that has only 2 of your picks sticking around to see 30. In parenthesis is the year the player last registered an NFL stat.

1 (1) Brown, Courtney DE Penn State (2005)
2 (32) Northcutt, Dennis WR Arizona (still active, 4th WR for DET)
3 (63) Prentice, Travis RB Miami OH (2001)
3 (79) Dawson, JaJuan WR Tulane (2002)
4 (95) Sanders, Lewis CB Maryland (2008)
4 (110) Shea, Aaron TE Michigan (2005)
5 (130) Malbrough, Anthony DB Texas Tech (2000)
5 (146) Chapman, Lamar DB Kansas State (2001)
6 (183) Wynn, Spergon QB Southwest Texas State (2001)
6 (206) Bedell, Brad OL Colorado (2006)
7 (207) Savea, Manuia OL Arizona (None)
7 (209) Chandler, Eric DL Jackson State (None)
7 (225) Barnes, Rashidi S Colorado (2000)

Duffman57
04-06-2010, 08:08 PM
steelers 2009 draft will be right up there....wallace is good and david johnson is a decent blocker but hood, urbik, lewis, burnett, shipley and summers will be forgotten people in 3 years

maybe not burnett i do like the little guy

Thats not that bad. Hood was going to automatically need a year or two to develop, and Ubrik might take a while as well. I dont know enough about the other guys to say anything about him though.

wonderbredd24
04-06-2010, 08:10 PM
You should set a limit on how far back this goes...

The Chicago Cardinals once used their 1st pick on a QB based on nothing but a photo in a magazine.

The guy got to camp and couldn't throw the ball 10 yards.

wogitalia
04-06-2010, 08:12 PM
Yay! Finally something the Vikings can win!

Somehow that makes me feel better about the draft, reality be damned!

wonderbredd24
04-06-2010, 08:14 PM
This is more than one draft, but outside of Chris Samuels, consider how little the Redskins did with their drafts in 1999 and 2000, despite the boatload of picks they acquired in the deal for Ricky Williams.

Michigan
04-06-2010, 08:18 PM
The 2005 Detroit Lions draft is really underrated:

1 (10): Mike Williams WR USC
2 (37): Shaun Cody DT USC
3 (72): Stanley Wilson DB Stanford
5 (145): Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut
6 (184): Bill Swancutt DE Oregon State
6 (206): Jonathan Goddard DE Marshall

Couple things on how bad the Mike Williams pick was:

-The guy hadn't played competitive football in over a year
-It was the Lions' third straight first round WR
-The guys taken directly after Williams were DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, and Jammal Brown

Also, concerning our 5th round pick:
http://blogs.the217.com/thelowdown/files/2008/11/ownsafety.jpg

BeerBaron
04-06-2010, 08:18 PM
steelers 2009 draft will be right up there....wallace is good and david johnson is a decent blocker but hood, urbik, lewis, burnett, shipley and summers will be forgotten people in 3 years

maybe not burnett i do like the little guy

Dude, you can't be serious. I'm sorry your draft wasn't full of flashy skill players that look good to the average fan, but at the very, very, very least, Hood is going to be one of your starting ends and Urbik one of your starting guards, possibly RT.

Duffman57
04-06-2010, 08:26 PM
Lol at the post 2 above. My comp wouldn't let me see the pick, but i didn't have to see it, i already know what it was..haha

but that is pretty bad.

the_dark_knight
04-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Atlanta Falcons 1988 Draft:

1(1) Aundray Bruce Linebacker Auburn
2(1) Marcus Cotton Linebacker USC
3(1) Alex Higdon Tight End Ohio State
5(1) Charles Dimry Cornerback UNLV
6(1) George Thomas Wide Receiver UNLV
6(3) Houston Hoover Guard Jackson State
7(1) Michael Haynes Wide Receiver Northern Arizona
8(1) Phillip Brown Linebacker Alabama
9(1) James Primus Running Back UCLA
10(1) Stan Clayton Offensive Tackle Penn State
11(1) James Milling Wide Receiver Maryland
12(1) Carter Wiley Defensive Back Virginia Tech

Just trying to look up #1 overall all time busts, but this class has no names I know. I didn't start watching football until 1991 but, I remember this being on the NFL biggest bust countdown thing

BeerBaron
04-06-2010, 08:35 PM
The 2005 Detroit Lions draft is really underrated:

1 (10): Mike Williams WR USC
2 (37): Shaun Cody DT USC
3 (72): Stanley Wilson DB Stanford
5 (145): Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut
6 (184): Bill Swancutt DE Oregon State
6 (206): Jonathan Goddard DE Marshall

Couple things on how bad the Mike Williams pick was:

-The guy hadn't played competitive football in over a year
-It was the Lions' third straight first round WR
-The guys taken directly after Williams were DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, and Jammal Brown

Also, concerning our 5th round pick:
http://blogs.the217.com/thelowdown/files/2008/11/ownsafety.jpg

Fixed your image:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/BeerBaron/orlovsky.jpg

superfly69
04-06-2010, 08:35 PM
I'm not sure if this is one of the worst all time, but the Chargers 2003 draft was pretty horrible.

2nd: Terrence Kiel CB, Texas A&M (I dont think he's still in the league)


He's dead. Died in a traffic accident I think.

holt_bruce81
04-06-2010, 08:36 PM
2000 Rams:

1. Trung Canidate RB
2. Jacoby Shepherd CB
3. John St. Clair C
4. Kaulana Noa T
5. Brian Young DE
6. Matt Bowen S
7. Andrew Kline G

2002 Rams:

1. Robert Thomas LB
2. Travis Fisher CB
3. Lamar Gordon RB
3. Eric Crouch QB/WR
4. Travis Scott G
5. Courtland Bullard
6. Steve Bellisari S
7. Chris Massey LS

superfly69
04-06-2010, 08:39 PM
You should set a limit on how far back this goes...

The Chicago Cardinals once used their 1st pick on a QB based on nothing but a photo in a magazine.

The guy got to camp and couldn't throw the ball 10 yards.

I think the Raiders still draft that way.

Hines
04-06-2010, 08:46 PM
Dude, you can't be serious. I'm sorry your draft wasn't full of flashy skill players that look good to the average fan, but at the very, very, very least, Hood is going to be one of your starting ends and Urbik one of your starting guards, possibly RT.

Don't listen or give him any mind. He irritates me over at the Steelers board. All he talks about is how bad Urbik and Hood are. I mean, they were only rookies. They're bustzzzzzzz.

I_C_DeadPeople
04-06-2010, 10:15 PM
2001 Raiders draft class is my favorite. Can anyone top this when it comes to bad classes top to bottom?

Rd Pick Overall Selection/Notes
1 28 28 S Derrick Gibson, Florida State
2 28 59 QB Marques Tuiasosopo, Washington
3 27 89 DE DeLawrence Grant, Oregon State
4 Raiders traded their 4th-round pick to St. Louis for TE Roland Williams
5 27 158 S Raymond Perryman, Northern Arizona
6 21 184 DE Chris Cooper, Nebraska-Omaha
7 28 228 RB Derek Combs, Ohio State
7 29 229 WR Ken-Yon Rambo, Ohio State

Rambo has had a nice career in the CFL..lol

There are 4 or 5 classic Bengal drafts but they are to painful to look up.

Speaking of the CFL, a few years back one of the teams (the teams draft Canadian born players who often play for US colleges) drafted a guy not realizing he had died in a car accident a month before the draft!!

BeerBaron
04-06-2010, 10:28 PM
Don't listen or give him any mind. He irritates me over at the Steelers board. All he talks about is how bad Urbik and Hood are. I mean, they were only rookies. They're bustzzzzzzz.

I'm surrounded by Steelers fans everyday and some, who are normally pretty good with football knowledge, hated that draft too.

I had to explain exactly what I explained to K Train to them....so I've got some experience with that one, lol.

Hood probably looked bad because he was a rookie. Normally, the Steelers like to "redshirt" their rookies on defense and learn it well before putting them out there. Hood was probably planned to be the long term replacement for Aaron Smith and shouldn't have seen the field too much as a rookie. But Smith gets hurt, Hood is forced into a complex defense and yeah, he probably struggled.

But he was a rookie, and is probably going to be all the better for the experience he got.

And Urbik not playing was a good thing. Probably the future RG or RT but they didn't need him there right away, hence why he didn't play.

Or they could just be bad picks. But we won't know that for 3-4 years so anyone calling the class a bad one now is just hating for no good reason.

Calvin & Kevin
04-06-2010, 10:42 PM
You know, the sad thing is you can look back at Millen's drafts even now and see how some of his picks made sense, the players just got hurt or weren't a good fit or didn't work out for one reason or another.

The very worst Lions draft in my recent memory was actually a Bobby Ross draft, 1997:

1 (5) Bryant Westbrook - CB - Texas
2 (35) Juan Roque - T - Arizona State
2 (54) Kevin Abrams - CB - Syracuse
4 (130) Matt Russell - LB - Colorado
5 (135) Pete Chryplewicz - TE - Notre Dame
5 (161) Duane Ashman - ? - Virginia (DE I think)
6 (168) Tony Ramirez - T - Northern Colorado
7 (206) Terry Battle - RB - Arizona State
7 (232) Marcus Harris - ? - Wyoming (no idea)
7 (239) Richard Jordan - LB - Missouri Southern State

Westbrook was slow and couldn't cover worth crap. Roque was a total bum. Abrams was 5'8" with platform shoes on. Russell suffered season ending knee injuries two years in a row on the opening kickoff of preseason. The rest was just junk.

Forenci
04-06-2010, 10:49 PM
The 2005 Detroit Lions draft is really underrated:

1 (10): Mike Williams WR USC
2 (37): Shaun Cody DT USC
3 (72): Stanley Wilson DB Stanford
5 (145): Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut
6 (184): Bill Swancutt DE Oregon State
6 (206): Jonathan Goddard DE Marshall

Couple things on how bad the Mike Williams pick was:

-The guy hadn't played competitive football in over a year
-It was the Lions' third straight first round WR
-The guys taken directly after Williams were DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, and Jammal Brown

Also, concerning our 5th round pick:
http://blogs.the217.com/thelowdown/files/2008/11/ownsafety.jpg

Dan Orlovsky is awesome, don't deny his immense skills!

Thunder&Lightning
04-06-2010, 10:54 PM
i go with the vikes

zachsaints52
04-06-2010, 10:56 PM
2000 Rams:
5. Brian Young DE

I loved him as a Saint. Non-stop motor, even lead our team in tackles a couple seasons.

K Train
04-07-2010, 08:27 AM
Dude, you can't be serious. I'm sorry your draft wasn't full of flashy skill players that look good to the average fan, but at the very, very, very least, Hood is going to be one of your starting ends and Urbik one of your starting guards, possibly RT.

i said it with hopes that hineswardjr would see it lol

hood will start less than 15 games as a steeler, sorry but thats my call and urbik is awful, i doubt hes on the team in 2 years. obviously its all speculation but they were awful picks imo, i dont need flashy skill players by any means....good quality players that have value where they were selected or fit our system at all in general would be nice though. we had the flashy draft with mendenhall and sweed, i dont need another one of those thats not what its about at all. hood is no 34 end, we drafted a 43 UT with little position versatility and he cant even be a wedge buster since they did away with that. urbik just sucks, not a bust...he just blows

ok im done lol

K Train
04-07-2010, 08:28 AM
Don't listen or give him any mind. He irritates me over at the Steelers board. All he talks about is how bad Urbik and Hood are. I mean, they were only rookies. They're bustzzzzzzz.

lol im glad you saw it.

all jokes aside some of these draft classes listed are terrrrrible.

bigbuc
04-07-2010, 11:04 AM
You know, the sad thing is you can look back at Millen's drafts even now and see how some of his picks made sense, the players just got hurt or weren't a good fit or didn't work out for one reason or another.

The very worst Lions draft in my recent memory was actually a Bobby Ross draft, 1997:

1 (5) Bryant Westbrook - CB - Texas
2 (35) Juan Roque - T - Arizona State
2 (54) Kevin Abrams - CB - Syracuse
4 (130) Matt Russell - LB - Colorado
5 (135) Pete Chryplewicz - TE - Notre Dame
5 (161) Duane Ashman - ? - Virginia (DE I think)
6 (168) Tony Ramirez - T - Northern Colorado
7 (206) Terry Battle - RB - Arizona State
7 (232) Marcus Harris - ? - Wyoming (no idea)
7 (239) Richard Jordan - LB - Missouri Southern State

Westbrook was slow and couldn't cover worth crap. Roque was a total bum. Abrams was 5'8" with platform shoes on. Russell suffered season ending knee injuries two years in a row on the opening kickoff of preseason. The rest was just junk.

Westbrook wasn't all that bad till his achilles tendon rupture.

LizardState
04-07-2010, 11:11 AM
2005 Minnesota Vikings probably should be considered as one of the worst

1(7).Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1(18).Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2(49).Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi
3(80).Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4(112).Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6(191).CJ Mosely DT Missouri
7(219).Adrian Ward DB Texas El-Paso

Wasnt that the yr. the Vikes risked forfeiting their pick(s) b/c they took way longer than the required 15 mins. to get their picks to the podium? Maybe it was 04 vs. 05, but the Vikings in no way had their act together on draft day, pretty embarrassing. It prompted an ESPN humiliation special segment the next yr. at the draft & gave them the rep of worst drafting team ever.

And they were still trying to live down the 16 players for 1 Herschel Walker trade with Dallas, not that they'll ever live that down......

yourfavestoner
04-07-2010, 11:15 AM
Wasnt that the yr. the Vikes risked forfeiting their pick(s) b/c they took way longer than the required 15 mins. to get their picks to the podium? Maybe it was 04 vs. 05, but the Vikings in no way had their act together on draft day, pretty embarrassing. It prompted an ESPN humiliation special segment the next yr. at the draft & gave them the rep of worst drafting team ever.

And they were still trying to live down the 16 players for 1 Herschel Walker trade with Dallas, not that they'll ever live that down......

Nah, that was in 03, the year they selected Kevin Williams. I really ******* wish they would have gotten that trade off, too, because Jacksonville would have ended up with Terrell Suggs instead of Byron Leftwhich.

Goganious
04-07-2010, 12:02 PM
I submit for your perusal the 2000 Buffalo Bills draft:

1 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona State
2 58 Travares Tillman FS Georgia Tech
3 89 Corey Moore OLB Virginia Tech
4 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee State
5 156 Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech
6 194 Leif Larsen DT Texas-El Paso
7 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo
7 251 DaShon Polk LB Arizona


Sammy Morris is the only decent pick from the whole draft. And even he is marginal at best.

Also, we took body builder Leif Larsen in round 6 in hopes that we could turn him into a football player. Not only did it NOT work, but Tom Brady was selected just one pick later. The Bills had a major quarterback need at the time (and still do).

Awful, awful draft.

nepg
04-07-2010, 04:58 PM
My vote is the '05 vikings, but for your consideration:

2003 Denver Broncos:
1 (20) George Foster OT Georgia
2 (51) Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
4 (108) Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma
4 (114) Nick Eason DT Clemson
4 (128) Bryant McNeal DE Clemson
5 (157) Ben Claxton C Mississippi
5 (158) Adrian Madise WR TCU
6 (194) Aaron Hunt DE Texas Tech
7 (227) Clint Mitchell DE Florida
7 (235) Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama

No way. Foster was a damn good RT for the Broncos for a few years and Griffin had a nice run at RB until injuries piled up.

BeerBaron
04-07-2010, 05:03 PM
I'm trying to find a really bad Bears draft but every one produced at least 1, most of them 2, players who turned out well.

2002 is the worst of the last 10 I think:

1 29 Marc Colombo T Boston College
3 72 Roe Williams CB Tuskegee
3 93 Terrence Metcalf G Mississippi
4 104 Alex Brown DE Florida
5 140 Bobby Gray DB Louisiana Tech
5 165 Bryan Knight DE Pittsburgh
6 199 Adrian Peterson RB Georgia Southern
6 203 Jamin Elliott WR Delaware
6 210 Bryan Fletcher TE UCLA

Only Brown was pretty good. Iirc, Bobby Gray started a little bit and wasn't awful.

Pat Sims 90
04-07-2010, 05:14 PM
I give you the 1999 Bengals Draft

1. Akili Smith QB Oregon
2. Charles Fisher CB West Virginia
3. Corey Hall S Fresno State
4. Craig Yeast WR Kentucky
5. Nicolas Luchey FB Miami
6. Kelly Gregg DT Oklahoma
7. Tony Coats G Washington
7. Scott Covington QB Miami
7. Donald Broomfield DT Clemson

Gregg never played for us but he did pan out with the Ravens

K Train
04-07-2010, 05:18 PM
I'm surrounded by Steelers fans everyday and some, who are normally pretty good with football knowledge, hated that draft too.

I had to explain exactly what I explained to K Train to them....so I've got some experience with that one, lol.

Hood probably looked bad because he was a rookie. Normally, the Steelers like to "redshirt" their rookies on defense and learn it well before putting them out there. Hood was probably planned to be the long term replacement for Aaron Smith and shouldn't have seen the field too much as a rookie. But Smith gets hurt, Hood is forced into a complex defense and yeah, he probably struggled.

But he was a rookie, and is probably going to be all the better for the experience he got.

And Urbik not playing was a good thing. Probably the future RG or RT but they didn't need him there right away, hence why he didn't play.

Or they could just be bad picks. But we won't know that for 3-4 years so anyone calling the class a bad one now is just hating for no good reason.
woah didnt see this, take it easy. all i said was in a few years this one very well might be up there with alot of these awful classes. you didnt "have" to explain it to me, i know what im talking about even though sometimes i can be radical and rant, i understand how things work. i dont beg people to agree with me and i admit when im wrong. i dont get how i cant say someone is probably going to suck down the road but its ok to say someone is probably destined for greatness. i understand it takes time to evaluate, im sure (for the most part) these classes didnt have failure written all over them at first. i had a pre drafting them opinion on all of these players (besides david johnson) and it didnt change when they became steelers. i dont need flashy skill players to be happy

I_C_DeadPeople
04-07-2010, 06:47 PM
I give you the 1999 Bengals Draft

1. Akili Smith QB Oregon
2. Charles Fisher CB West Virginia
3. Corey Hall S Fresno State
4. Craig Yeast WR Kentucky
5. Nicolas Luchey FB Miami
6. Kelly Gregg DT Oklahoma
7. Tony Coats G Washington
7. Scott Covington QB Miami
7. Donald Broomfield DT Clemson

Gregg never played for us but he did pan out with the Ravens


The 'beauty' of this draft is the bonus features. Akili was a bust but before the pick Mike Brown refused to trade with Ditka's Saints (all their picks to move up); then Charles Fisher blows a knee in pre-season and ends his career and then Gregg becomes a solid starter for the Ravens. Even better, This is the draft that ultimately sunk the team so low Brown had to admit how he operated did not work.

jnew76
04-07-2010, 07:03 PM
Dude, you can't be serious. I'm sorry your draft wasn't full of flashy skill players that look good to the average fan, but at the very, very, very least, Hood is going to be one of your starting ends and Urbik one of your starting guards, possibly RT.\

Anyone who judges a class after one year should automatically have their opinion dismissed. Especially if all the early picks are still on the roster.

crossroads
04-07-2010, 07:19 PM
I'm not sure if this is one of the worst all time, but the Chargers 2003 draft was pretty horrible.

#16: Traded Away (Could have had Polamalu)
1: Sammy Davis DB, Tex A&M(Over Scrabble, so we basically passed up possibly the best CB and the best S in the league today)
2nd: Drayton Florence CB, Tuskugee (He was decent for a while, but has been just AWEFULL since)
2nd: Terrence Kiel CB, Texas A&M (I dont think he's still in the league)
3rd: Courtney Van Buren OT, Arkansas Pine Bluff (Again, dont think he's in the league anymore.)
4th: Matt Wilhelm ILB, Ohio State (He's been terrible with us, and i dont know where he is now)
5th: Mike Sifres P, Western Illinios (He's a BEAST)
6th: Hannik Milligan DB, Houston (Never heard of him, i'm guessing he's out of the league)
7th: Andrew Pinnock FB, Sout Carolina (Never been any more than a backup FB at best)

So basically, there was only one good player to come out of that draft and he was a Punter. That as well as we took 3 DB's in the first 2 rounds, and passed up 2 of the best DB's in the game today....Awesome...

Yeah, but you guys made up for it with a pretty epic class of undrafted free agents that year. Dielman, Gates, Cesaire, Cooper and Osgood

K Train
04-07-2010, 07:40 PM
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Anyone who judges a class after one year should automatically have their opinion dismissed. Especially if all the early picks are still on the roster.

it was more of a pre-judgement. didnt really condemn the entire class, just said dont be surprised to see it on the list a few years down the line.

i think the lions 2009 draft was awesome with stafford, delmas, SLH, levy, and pettigrew and will have alot of successful players out of that class, maybe its too soon and my opinion should just be dismissed though

MikeTheDudeV2
04-07-2010, 07:55 PM
2005 Vikings has my pick.

psly2124
04-08-2010, 03:09 PM
2002 - Arizona Cardinals
1 12 Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
2 49 Levar Fisher LB North Carolina State
3 81 Josh McCown QB Sam Houston State
3 98 Dennis Johnson DE Kentucky
4 113 Nate Dwyer DT Kansas
5 149 Jason McAddley WR Alabama
6 185 Josh Scobey RB Kansas State
7 223 Mike Banks TE Iowa State


I think we may have a new winner

psly2124
04-08-2010, 03:15 PM
90 Jets is pretty bad

1 2 Blair Thomas RB Penn State
2 28 Reggie Rembert WR West Virginia
3 56 Tony Stargell DB Tennessee State
4 84 Troy Taylor QB California
5 112 Tony Savage NT Washington State
5 134 Robert McWright -- Texas Christian
6 140 Terance Mathis WR New Mexico
7 167 Dwayne White G Alcorn State
7 168 Basil Proctor -- West Virginia
8 196 Roger Duffy G Penn State
9 223 Dale Dawkins WR Miami (Fla.)
10 251 Brad Quast LB Iowa
11 279 Derrick Kelson DB Purdue
12 306 Darrell Davis DE Texas Christian


Mathis was alright with the Falcons.

Duffman57
04-08-2010, 03:21 PM
Yeah, but you guys made up for it with a pretty epic class of undrafted free agents that year. Dielman, Gates, Cesaire, Cooper and Osgood

That is true, i didn't even think about that...But still, our draft sucked some MAJOR nuts that year, passing on possibly the 2 best DB's in the league for some time.

CT Bronco Fan
04-08-2010, 03:21 PM
No way. Foster was a damn good RT for the Broncos for a few years and Griffin had a nice run at RB until injuries piled up.

Clearly you didn't watch many Bronco games.

MidwestJimmy
04-08-2010, 03:55 PM
This is one of the best threads ever -- hilarious. I came from the CBS-Sports board and I wish we had threads this good.

I'm wondering how you can have seven to ten draft picks and miss on every one of them. That will kill a franchise. These teams could have done better by closing their eyes and throwing darts at a draft board.

6 (168) Tony Ramirez - T - Northern Colorado
Vincent Jackson also went to NCU, but obviously has had more success.

Marc Columbo is a good right tackle for Dallas right now. When still with Chicago he tore up is knee and they released him. There was a draft a few years ago where the Bears also missed on two first rounders in the same draft, when they picked Rex Grossman and PSU DE Michael Haynes. Grossman just signed with the Redskins as a backup and Haynes is probably working at Burger King or someplace similar.

The opposite of these drafts would be sometime in the 1970s when the Steelers had only four picks and all of them went to the Hall of Fame.

BeerBaron
04-08-2010, 04:06 PM
The opposite of these drafts would be sometime in the 1970s when the Steelers had only four picks and all of them went to the Hall of Fame.

And during that same timespan, some teams would cut their entire draft classes. I can't remember the specific circumstances, but I remember watching a show on NFLN while at home where the Redskins coach at the time didn't like rookies and ended up cutting his entire draft class at the end of training camp...one of the guys cut eventually went on to be good, and that's why they were talking about it.

But it's absolutely crazy to think that, given today's value placed on the draft, that anyone could have ever just up and cut an entire draft class...and that was still when the draft had 12 rounds.

MidwestJimmy
04-08-2010, 04:50 PM
But it's absolutely crazy to think that, given today's value placed on the draft, that anyone could have ever just up and cut an entire draft class...

These days a GM will never admit he made a mistake, at least not right away. That's why you don't see first, second, or third round picks cut in training camp anymore. Also, the fact that top picks get so much guaranteed money now is another reason.

Crazy_Chris
04-08-2010, 05:11 PM
And during that same timespan, some teams would cut their entire draft classes. I can't remember the specific circumstances, but I remember watching a show on NFLN while at home where the Redskins coach at the time didn't like rookies and ended up cutting his entire draft class at the end of training camp...one of the guys cut eventually went on to be good, and that's why they were talking about it.

But it's absolutely crazy to think that, given today's value placed on the draft, that anyone could have ever just up and cut an entire draft class...and that was still when the draft had 12 rounds.

That would have to George Allen, who coached the "Over the hill gang". He hated rookies and would typically trade pretty much all his high draft choices for Veteran players.

If you are curious here is a link to all of his draft classes

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_query.cgi?pos=ALL&round_1=1&round_2=30&tm=was&year_1=1971&year_2=1977&conference=any&type=

PhinsRock
04-08-2010, 05:12 PM
Dolphins 2006 draft:

1(16) Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
3 18(82) Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
4 17(114) Joe Toledo OT Washington
7 4(212) Fred Evans DT Texas State University
7 18(226) Rodrique Wright DT Texas
7 25(233) Devin Aromashodu WR Auburn

Bald_81
04-08-2010, 05:50 PM
May I introduce to you the Rams 2006 draft:

1 (15) Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
2 (46) Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
3 (68) Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
3 (77) Jon Alston, LB, Stanford
3 (93) Dominique Byrd, TE, USC
4 (113) Victor Adeyanju, DE, Indiana
5 (144) Marques Hagans, WR, Virginia
7 (221) Tim McGarigle, LB, Northwestern
7 (242) Mark Setterstrom, OG, Minnesota
7 (243) Tony Palmer, OG, Missouri

That is absolutely horrific. They missed on all five of their picks in the first three rounds (they traded back from eleven to fifteen to select Hill) and there are only two marginal players (Adeyanju, Setterstrom) that they got from this draft. Hill was a piece of burnt toast for us, Klopfenstein was a bust by his second season when we had to sign Randy McMichael (lol), Wroten was a POS on and off the field and couldn't put the pipe down, Alston barely saw the field for us and was cut before his second season in favour of undrafted Quinton Culberson, and Byrd was another one who couldn't stay out of trouble. This has to be the worst draft class in the last four years at the very least, and should challenge for worst of the decade.

K Train
04-08-2010, 06:12 PM
go look back and look how terrible the 3rd round of 2006 was. the 4th round was sooooooo much better lol

BeerBaron
04-08-2010, 07:06 PM
That would have to George Allen, who coached the "Over the hill gang". He hated rookies and would typically trade pretty much all his high draft choices for Veteran players.

If you are curious here is a link to all of his draft classes

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_query.cgi?pos=ALL&round_1=1&round_2=30&tm=was&year_1=1971&year_2=1977&conference=any&type=

Aye, that's it. I couldn't remember the coach's name but I knew it was the skins and during the 70s. Still crazy to think about, lol

B-Dawk
04-08-2010, 07:14 PM
Dolphins 2006 draft:

1(16) Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
3 18(82) Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
4 17(114) Joe Toledo OT Washington
7 4(212) Fred Evans DT Texas State University
7 18(226) Rodrique Wright DT Texas
7 25(233) Devin Aromashodu WR Auburn

oh man, i liked all of those guys coming out, aside from evans

Grig
04-08-2010, 07:25 PM
Dolphins 2006 draft:

1(16) Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
3 18(82) Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
4 17(114) Joe Toledo OT Washington
7 4(212) Fred Evans DT Texas State University
7 18(226) Rodrique Wright DT Texas
7 25(233) Devin Aromashodu WR Auburn

Came in to say this. There's been some absolutely abysmal Dolphins drafts. You can take your pick from any in the first half of this decade really, 2002 was pretty terrible and the lone Cam Cameron draft (2007) is pretty crappy.

2007 1 1 9 9 Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
2 2 8 40 John Beck QB Brigham Young
3 2 28 60 Samson Satele C Hawaii
4 3 7 71 Lorenzo Booker RB Florida State
5 4 9 108 Paul Soliai DT Utah
6 6 7 181 Reagan Mauia RB Hawaii
7 6 25 199 Drew Mormino C Central Michigan
8 7 9 219 Kelvin Smith LB Syracuse
9 7 15 225 Brandon Fields P Michigan State
10 7 28 238 Abraham Wright DE Colorado

Ginn is dookie, Beck was a 26 year old rookie who's now on the Ravens, Satele had a good rookie season but was ultimately shipped off to the Raiders this past year. Booker showed flashes under Cameron (during a 1-15 season, flashes is all we had) but got traded to the Eagles and I believe got cut. Soliai played some last year but was generally subpar, Mauia's most famous for running through a plaster wall on YouTube. Fields is still on the team and I guess that makes him the most successful pick here.

You can pretty much spin a roulette wheel with the Dolphins this decade and you're likely to land on a terrible draft.

EDIT: 2003 would take the cake if not for Yeremiah Bell in the 6th.

2003 1 2 17 49 Eddie Moore LB Tennessee
2 3 14 78 Wade Smith T Memphis
3 3 23 87 Taylor Whitley G Texas A&M
4 5 21 156 Donald Lee TE Mississippi State
5 5 34 169 J.R. Tolver WR San Diego State
6 6 8 181 Corey Jenkins DB South Carolina
7 6 36 209 Tim Provost T San Jose State
8 6 40 213 Yeremiah Bell DB Eastern Kentucky
9 7 34 248 Davern Williams DT Troy State

molenguinurtle
04-08-2010, 07:54 PM
WTF ever happened to Derek Hagan? I remember him being a beast a ASU.

K Train
04-08-2010, 08:14 PM
pretty sure hes a giant, not sure though

CT Bronco Fan
04-08-2010, 08:34 PM
WTF ever happened to Derek Hagan? I remember him being a beast a ASU.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Derek+Hagan

SeanTaylorRIP
04-08-2010, 08:46 PM
For the Skins:

2002
1. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane
2. Ladell Betts, RB, Iowa
3. Rashad Bauman, CB, Oregon
3. Cliff Russell, WR, Utah
5. Andre Lott, S, Tennessee
5. Robert Royal, TE, LSU
6. Reggie Coleman, T, Tennessee
7. Jeff Grau, LS, UCLA
7. Greg Scott, DE, Hampton
7. Rock Cartwright, FB, Kansas St.
Horrendous draft. Cliff Russell in his career with the Skins had 2 catches for 10 yards. In his 6 year career he has 5 catches for 45 yards. Rashad Bauman another 3rd round pick spent more time in college then he did in the NFL.

molenguinurtle
04-08-2010, 08:53 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Derek+Hagan

That was hilarious. Thank you.

MidwestJimmy
04-09-2010, 11:23 AM
The Redskins 2002 draft is pretty bad. But Ladell Betts was pretty good for a #2 RB, and I think he will help his new team, whoever that will be. Robert Royal is a good blocking TE, and that's the kind of player you take in Round 5. He since went to Buffalo and then Cleveland. The Browns offense will probably be 2-TE so they can start both Royal and Ben Watson.

Malaka
04-09-2010, 11:48 AM
WTF ever happened to Derek Hagan? I remember him being a beast a ASU.

He's been a pretty good special team player here on the Giants, but I think he's 6th string behind Sinorice Moss (ugh) and Ramses Barden, I think he'll be cut to be honest unless no one else can handle the gunner position.

I_C_DeadPeople
04-09-2010, 12:29 PM
WTF ever happened to Derek Hagan? I remember him being a beast a ASU.

Change the name and school and that statement could be said about 100's of prospects.

Addict
04-09-2010, 12:50 PM
Change the name and school and that statement could be said about 100's of prospects.

what's your point? There's a lot of statements like that which are true for many as long as you change name and school. Doesn't mean that it's less valid a statement.

parcells
04-09-2010, 02:09 PM
I'm not sure if this is one of the worst all time, but the Chargers 2003 draft was pretty horrible.

#16: Traded Away (Could have had Polamalu)
1: Sammy Davis DB, Tex A&M(Over Scrabble, so we basically passed up possibly the best CB and the best S in the league today)
2nd: Drayton Florence CB, Tuskugee (He was decent for a while, but has been just AWEFULL since)
2nd: Terrence Kiel CB, Texas A&M (I dont think he's still in the league)
3rd: Courtney Van Buren OT, Arkansas Pine Bluff (Again, dont think he's in the league anymore.)
4th: Matt Wilhelm ILB, Ohio State (He's been terrible with us, and i dont know where he is now)
5th: Mike Sifres P, Western Illinios (He's a BEAST)
6th: Hannik Milligan DB, Houston (Never heard of him, i'm guessing he's out of the league)
7th: Andrew Pinnock FB, Sout Carolina (Never been any more than a backup FB at best)

So basically, there was only one good player to come out of that draft and he was a Punter. That as well as we took 3 DB's in the first 2 rounds, and passed up 2 of the best DB's in the game today....Awesome...


Hannik Milligan actually made a Pro Bowl playing for the Chargers.

Then their UDFA included: Antonio Gates, Kris Dielman, Jacques Cesair, Stephen Cooper, and Kassim Osgood. Funny how they had a terrible draft and yet came away from that weekend with more talent than anyone else.

BaLLiN
04-09-2010, 02:11 PM
He's been a pretty good special team player here on the Giants, but I think he's 6th string behind Sinorice Moss (ugh) and Ramses Barden, I think he'll be cut to be honest unless no one else can handle the gunner position.

no he's infront of moss, but barden is still behind both. Doubt he'll get cut, he's been a very good replacement of Tyree, moss should be gone.

nycdan
04-09-2010, 03:01 PM
I can't believe the Colts' 1992 draft hasn't earned a mention yet:

Top two picks of the entire draft:

1.1 Steve Emtman
1.2 Quentin Coryatt

They did end up with a decent DB in round 2 in Ashely Ambrose, but he didn't do much of anything until he left the Colts.

Seriously, that is an epic bust of a draft from a value perspective.

Honorable mention has to go to the Saints 1991 draft. If you don't know what I'm referring to, look it up.

PhinsRock
04-10-2010, 10:32 AM
Came in to say this. There's been some absolutely abysmal Dolphins drafts. You can take your pick from any in the first half of this decade really, 2002 was pretty terrible and the lone Cam Cameron draft (2007) is pretty crappy.

2007 1 1 9 9 Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
2 2 8 40 John Beck QB Brigham Young
3 2 28 60 Samson Satele C Hawaii
4 3 7 71 Lorenzo Booker RB Florida State
5 4 9 108 Paul Soliai DT Utah
6 6 7 181 Reagan Mauia RB Hawaii
7 6 25 199 Drew Mormino C Central Michigan
8 7 9 219 Kelvin Smith LB Syracuse
9 7 15 225 Brandon Fields P Michigan State
10 7 28 238 Abraham Wright DE Colorado

Ginn is dookie, Beck was a 26 year old rookie who's now on the Ravens, Satele had a good rookie season but was ultimately shipped off to the Raiders this past year. Booker showed flashes under Cameron (during a 1-15 season, flashes is all we had) but got traded to the Eagles and I believe got cut. Soliai played some last year but was generally subpar, Mauia's most famous for running through a plaster wall on YouTube. Fields is still on the team and I guess that makes him the most successful pick here.

You can pretty much spin a roulette wheel with the Dolphins this decade and you're likely to land on a terrible draft.

EDIT: 2003 would take the cake if not for Yeremiah Bell in the 6th.

2003 1 2 17 49 Eddie Moore LB Tennessee
2 3 14 78 Wade Smith T Memphis
3 3 23 87 Taylor Whitley G Texas A&M
4 5 21 156 Donald Lee TE Mississippi State
5 5 34 169 J.R. Tolver WR San Diego State
6 6 8 181 Corey Jenkins DB South Carolina
7 6 36 209 Tim Provost T San Jose State
8 6 40 213 Yeremiah Bell DB Eastern Kentucky
9 7 34 248 Davern Williams DT Troy State

2007 was a terrible draft as well, especially considering we passed up on the best CB in the NFL, and the best ILB in the game, going with Ginn instead.

The John Beck pick was....ehh....hard to judge. On the one hand, there isn't a single QB from that draft that has been successful; it will come down to how Kolb does in Philly. Beck never got a fair shot in Miami, and now isn't getting one in Baltimore. Who knows how good or not he is/could have been.

Soliai is a good back-up, but not a starter. Fields, if he can become more consistent, is a very good punter. Other than those 2 guys though, you're right, terrible draft. But it was not the worst of the decade.

It's actually amazing that Parcells and Ireland have been able to basically undo an entire decade of futility in April in just 2 off seasons.

Brent
04-10-2010, 11:34 AM
1. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane
I loved Ramsey heading into that draft. Poor guy just landed in a ****** situation. First he had to play for Spurrier, and then Joe Gibbs let Brunell start because Ramsey got a little beat up in their season opener.

VUBlacknGold
04-10-2010, 11:39 AM
Hannik Milligan actually made a Pro Bowl playing for the Chargers.

Hes also Myron Lewis's Brother, ha

Malaka
04-10-2010, 11:41 AM
no he's infront of moss, but barden is still behind both. Doubt he'll get cut, he's been a very good replacement of Tyree, moss should be gone.

I have no idea why we still keep Moss, he can't even return punts.

molenguinurtle
04-10-2010, 12:03 PM
I loved Ramsey heading into that draft. Poor guy just landed in a ****** situation. First he had to play for Spurrier, and then Joe Gibbs let Brunell start because Ramsey got a little beat up in their season opener.

Co-sign this. I remember watching him just get murdered behind Washington's line. I legitimately felt bad for the guy.

parcells
04-10-2010, 12:47 PM
Ramsey would have made a good NFL QB if he'd landed in a better situation IMO where he had a year or two to learn the reigns. Spurrier was such a disaster.