PFT And It's Silly Rumors...

[Flyboy]

BUCS BRINGING IN GRANT

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are bringing in Saints defensive end Charles Grant for a visit.

The significance? Grant carries the Saints' franchise tag.

By rule, Grant may sign an offer sheet with any other team. If the Saints should opt not to match, they would receive two first-round picks as compensation.

Such an outcome is highly unlikely, since the Bucs hold the fourth overall pick. And trading down before signing Grant isn't an option; the Bucs must give up their own first-rounder, not someone else's.

The more likely outcome is that, if the Bucs decide to make a play for Grant, Tampa and New Orleans will work out a trade. And with the Bucs potentially going for broke in 2007 under coach Jon Gruden and G.M. Bruce Allen, both of whom might be gone by next year, we wouldn't rule out a package including the Bucs' third-round pick in 2007 and a conditional pick in 2008.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I thought this would be fun to post to get some gossip going.

Blah. "It's" should be "Its". Sorry.

[Tubby]

It is just a rumor. No NFL team would be stupid enough to give up two first round picks for one player.

Except for the Dallas Cowboys.

[Flyboy]

Yeah, I noted that it was a rumor but there is at least some validity to it as the Bucs brought Grant in for a visit knowing full well that he has the franchise tag.

[Ward]

It is just a rumor. No NFL team would be stupid enough to give up two first round picks for one player.

Except for the Dallas Cowboys.

Most embarassing moment for the franchise during the time I've followed the team. That includes the White House.

[Chucky]

That is ridiculous

[Flyboy]

Grant's agent, Bill Johnson, confirmed the visit, saying, "They're crazy about Charles."

Should the Buccaneers opt to sign Grant to an offer sheet that New Orleans declined to match, Tampa Bay would have to surrender two first-round picks to the Saints. Of course, the two teams also could always agree to a sign-and-trade deal, although the two teams play in the same division and New Orleans might be leery about facing the 28-year-old Grant twice a season. Nevertheless, the Buccaneers have arranged for Grant to visit Tampa Bay on Friday so that the key members of their organization will be there to meet with him.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

[Beans]

I would puke if we gave up our first for him.

[Vince Lombardi]

Did you guys even read the last paragraph about them working out a trade? Of course they wouldn't give up two 1sts for Grant. :rolleyes:

[Flyboy]

I would puke if we gave up our first for him.

I'm hoping TB signs him and we don't match. The thought of adding Calvin Johnson to our offense makes me giddy.

[Windy]

Did you guys even read the last paragraph about them working out a trade? Of course they wouldn't give up two 1sts for Grant. :rolleyes:

yea no way tampa would give up their 2007 1st for him. they would have to negotiate a deal involving other picks or players.

[etk]

I might be in the minority among Bucs fans but I think he is a perfect fit for our defense and I would welcome him. A 3rd round pick would be a great deal for Grant.

[Scotty D]

I might be in the minority among Bucs fans but I think he is a perfect fit for our defense and I would welcome him. A 3rd round pick would be a great deal for Grant.

Yeah that will never happen.

[diabsoule]

I don't know what to expect about this. If the Saints trade away Grant then we lose a key player in our defense and we have no one to come in and replace him so that would add another need for us in this draft.

I don't know what kind of deal would be worked out between the two teams and I just think that it's Grant testing the market.

[etk]

Yeah that will never happen.

Way to ruin my chances at a happy sleep tonight. It's fun to dream, and Grant for a 3rd=:D

[Chucky]

The bucs wouldnt give up their thrid for grant. Or at least i hope, our pick is so high its almost a second, it just doesnt make sense.

[etk]

The bucs wouldnt give up their thrid for grant. Or at least i hope, our pick is so high its almost a second, it just doesnt make sense.

Name a DE in the draft this year that you think will have a bigger impact and help us win more than Grant.

We would be lucky if the Saints agreed to that trade anyway.

[Grizzlegom]

It is just a rumor. No NFL team would be stupid enough to give up two first round picks for one player.

Except for the Dallas Cowboys.

and the miami dolphins.

[Shiver]

Well, the Bucs did trade two first round picks and 8$ Million for a Head Coach, so don't put it beyond them.

[B-Dawk]

Well, the Bucs did trade two first round picks and 8$ Million for a Head Coach, so don't put it beyond them.

they couldn't justify doing the same thing with Grant because there is no way they are winning the Super Bowl next year

[yourfavestoner]

But would they really fork over two first round picks to a division rival? Doesn't make sense at all, unless they're working out different compensation.

[etk]

Well, the Bucs did trade two first round picks and 8$ Million for a Head Coach, so don't put it beyond them.

You forgot to mention the two second round picks that we dealt away in that trade as well. You can't put a price on a Super Bowl ring.

[etk]

But would they really fork over two first round picks to a division rival? Doesn't make sense at all, unless they're working out different compensation.

You can answer that question yourself, because we are all well aware that Charles Grant is not worth 1 first round pick let alone 2.

[Shiver]

You forgot to mention the two second round picks that we dealt away in that trade as well. You can't put a price on a Super Bowl ring.

Can you say for certain that Marvin Lewis couldn't have brought a Super Bowl title?

[etk]

Can you say for certain that Marvin Lewis couldn't have brought a Super Bowl title?

No, of course not. I always wonder whether we needed to sacrifice that much to get Gruden and win the Super Bowl, but he did make it happen so I can't be greedy. I wouldn't take back that trade in a million years.

[Caddy]

This workout could just be used for the future. Grant will be a free agent next year so maybe Allen and Chucky are just trying to get the inside track on possibly signing him in the future.

[Shiver]

No, of course not. I always wonder whether we needed to sacrifice that much to get Gruden and win the Super Bowl, but he did make it happen so I can't be greedy. I wouldn't take back that trade in a million years.

Stop it, you're making me hate Eugene Robinson more than I already do. I blame him.

[Flyboy]

This workout could just be used for the future. Grant will be a free agent next year so maybe Allen and Chucky are just trying to get the inside track on possibly signing him in the future.

That sounds like wishful thinking if I ever heard it.

[Caddy]

That sounds like wishful thinking if I ever heard it.

How so? The Bucs wouldn't give up two first rounders for him and a trade between divisional teams is highly unlikely. I think it is actually a logical reason for the workout.

[diabsoule]

After seeing Charles Grant play against them for quite some time now, I highly doubt that the Bucs coaching staff and general managers are wanting to bring him in for a workout just to get a closer look at him.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Personally, I feel like this is just a ploy for Charles Grant to get a long-term, more money deal from New Orleans.

I doubt that Tampa Bay would be willing to give up two first rounders and I don't think that the two sides would be unable to make a deal that both sides would agree on.

But if he wants to go, [expletive deleted] it.... let him go...

[Bradentonian]

Name a DE in the draft this year that you think will have a bigger impact and help us win more than Grant.

We would be lucky if the Saints agreed to that trade anyway.

I agree with this. Grant is a proven player and was (according to PewterReport.com) the Bucs' top FA priority until he was franchised. I have no doubt they'd drop a 3rd on him if given the opportunity. Also, keep in mind that players could be involved in a potential trade. Brain Kelly, for instance, who might be able to get the new deal he's looking for from the Saints (pending physical, of course). Saints need a good corner.

[Bradentonian]

It is just a rumor. No NFL team would be stupid enough to give up two first round picks for one player.

Except for the Dallas Cowboys.

Bucs did it before (Keyshawn Johnson). But you are right, the only way this happens is if TB/NO work out a reasonable trade. Could be a longshot, dealing with division rivals.

[Seasonticketholder]

Personally, I feel like this is just a ploy for Charles Grant to get a long-term, more money deal from New Orleans.

I doubt that Tampa Bay would be willing to give up two first rounders and I don't think that the two sides would be unable to make a deal that both sides would agree on.

But if he wants to go, [expletive deleted] it.... let him go...

The only problem with this argument is that the Bucs would not have a reason to help Grant secure a long-term deal with the Saints. The Bucs are setting up this meeting, not Grant.

I think it's either two things. It is either to rile up the Saints while further evaluating Grant or it is the Bucs are generally interested.

The Bucs have two second rounders. They could easily target a WR in the second without having to pay him the big money they would have to pay Johnson if he is still there at #4. Grant is a proven commodity and is one of the rare DEs who is good at both defending the run and rushing the passer. The Bucs could be very interested in Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson and just feel that Grant would be better.

The argument is typically made that you should go with the younger guy versus the veteran because the younger guy will be with you longer. But I think that argument is shortsighted. In the age of FA, you are sometimes getting a guy only for 5 or 6 years. With Grant only 28 and entering his prime, the Bucs would be getting Grant for 5 or 6 years. So it about evens out.

The Saints hold all the cards on this one. I DOUBT the Bucs would give up two first rounders for Grant. But the #4 pick might be equivalent to having two #1s because it is so high. If the Bucs believe Grant to be better than any defender they can get out this draft, I do not think it would be unreasonable for the Saints to ask for the Bucs #4 pick. If the Bucs bark at that request, the Saints do not have to trade him. Either way, the Bucs will either have to give in to the Saints trade demands or sign him and give up the two firsts. They have virtually no leverage. Of course, one might argue that Grant could become upset with the situation, especially if the Bucs offer him a long-term deal and then make it seem like the Saints are not being fair with allowing him to leave. But because Grant would be going to a division rival, there is NO WAY you just let him walk away without getting more than adequate compensation. If you do not get the #4, then the only other deal out there to be had with the Bucs in my honest opinion would be to get their 2 second rounders and either a 4th rounder or a player. If not, you keep Grant and franchise him again next year. Grant will not sit out a year a la Sean Gilbert and miss out on a $8 million payday no matter how upset he might become. And he also will not underperform because he would be entering the free agency market again next year and will be a year older. Thus, he would want to be as attractive a free agent as he possibly can be.

[Scotty D]

This workout could just be used for the future. Grant will be a free agent next year so maybe Allen and Chucky are just trying to get the inside track on possibly signing him in the future.

lol. Take off those rose colored glasses.

[Flyboy]

Grant & the 27th pick for the 4th overall pick & a 4th round pick. Hmmm. I'd take that.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

The only problem with this argument is that the Bucs would not have a reason to help Grant secure a long-term deal with the Saints. The Bucs are setting up this meeting, not Grant.

I think it's either two things. It is either to rile up the Saints while further evaluating Grant or it is the Bucs are generally interested.

The Bucs have two second rounders. They could easily target a WR in the second without having to pay him the big money they would have to pay Johnson if he is still there at #4. Grant is a proven commodity and is one of the rare DEs who is good at both defending the run and rushing the passer. The Bucs could be very interested in Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson and just feel that Grant would be better.

The argument is typically made that you should go with the younger guy versus the veteran because the younger guy will be with you longer. But I think that argument is shortsighted. In the age of FA, you are sometimes getting a guy only for 5 or 6 years. With Grant only 28 and entering his prime, the Bucs would be getting Grant for 5 or 6 years. So it about evens out.

The Saints hold all the cards on this one. I DOUBT the Bucs would give up two first rounders for Grant. But the #4 pick might be equivalent to having two #1s because it is so high. If the Bucs believe Grant to be better than any defender they can get out this draft, I do not think it would be unreasonable for the Saints to ask for the Bucs #4 pick. If the Bucs bark at that request, the Saints do not have to trade him. Either way, the Bucs will either have to give in to the Saints trade demands or sign him and give up the two firsts. They have virtually no leverage. Of course, one might argue that Grant could become upset with the situation, especially if the Bucs offer him a long-term deal and then make it seem like the Saints are not being fair with allowing him to leave. But because Grant would be going to a division rival, there is NO WAY you just let him walk away without getting more than adequate compensation. If you do not get the #4, then the only other deal out there to be had with the Bucs in my honest opinion would be to get their 2 second rounders and either a 4th rounder or a player. If not, you keep Grant and franchise him again next year. Grant will not sit out a year a la Sean Gilbert and miss out on a $8 million payday no matter how upset he might become. And he also will not underperform because he would be entering the free agency market again next year and will be a year older. Thus, he would want to be as attractive a free agent as he possibly can be.

While I don't disagree that Buccaneers aren't interested in Charles Grant, I think that obviously Grant is interested in Tampa Bay as well. While I agree with you that Saints hold the cards, I, like you, doubt that that the Bucs would give up two first rounders for Grant. Technically, I doubt that anyone would give up two first rounders for anybody, but that's just me.

I also agree with you that I doubt that Grant would sit out the season, but then again, look at Lance Briggs. So I don't know.

Personally, like I said earlier, I hope that the Saints can work something out and either lock Grant up with a long-term deal or trade him for multiple picks and possibly a player as well.

Grant & the 27th pick for the 4th overall pick & a 4th round pick. Hmmm. I'd take that.

Umm, no. I definitely wouldn't make that trade. Somehow, I would think that the Buccaneers get the better end of that trade.

[eaglesalltheway]

It is just a rumor. No NFL team would be stupid enough to give up two first round picks for one player.

Except for the Dallas Cowboys.

Maybe you mean the Redskins. It is just a rumor though.