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BlindSite
04-09-2010, 08:06 PM
Ok, because the old thread is 340 something pages I thought I’d do a reboot to de-clutter things

When discussing on-going events or recently finished events please use spoilers.

Current Champions and Fighters of note:

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Heavy Weight Champion Brock Lesnar


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Interim HW Champion Shane Carwin


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Light Heavyweight champion Lyoto “the dragon” Machida


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Middleweight champion Anderson Silva


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Welterweight Champion: George “Rush” St Pierre


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Lightweight Champion: BJ Penn


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Fedor “the Last emperor” Emelianenko –


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Shinya Aoki


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Jake Shields


http://www.mmaspot.net/mmaspot/files/image/fighterprofiles/gegard_mousasi.jpg
Gegard Mousasi


Websites for news:
http://www.mmajunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com/)
http://www.bloodyelbow.com (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/)
http://www.fightopinion.com (http://www.fightopinion.com/)
http://www.mmapayout.com (http://www.mmapayout.com/)
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com (http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/)
Yahoo! Sports MMA (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma;_ylt=ArQdnJ1rUimpxUMwP5Ayw8FZEo14)
http://www.mmaweekly.com (http://www.mmaweekly.com/)
http://www.mmamania.com (http://www.mmamania.com/)
http://www.mmarated.com (http://www.mmarated.com/)
http://www.cagepotato.com/
http://www.f4wonline.com/
http://www.sherdog.com (http://www.sherdog.com/)

Other cool websites:
http://www.fightmetric.com/ -gives detailed numbers for fights, i.e. this is a stat website, who hit who and when and where.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder.php?FirstName=&LastName=&NickName=&search=yes –find fights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts_rules#Unified_Rules – Rules if you’re confused by why they don’t just stomp on their face


Galleries
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?pn=1&fa=MultiMedia.GalleryList


Upcoming PPV:
http://mmajunkie.com/event/678/ufc-112.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/676/ufc-113-in-montreal.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/679/ufc-114.mma

The last few fighters who don’t fight in the UFC were listed because they’re the best in the world outside of the current number 1 promotion. Shields, Aoki and Mousasi are young and already hold impressive W-L records, Dana White has in some measure mentioned all of these guys in some manner as wanting to get them in the Octagon, most recently he publicly stated he’s going to drive the price for shields “through the fuckin’ roof” in order to sign him.

See next post for UFC 112 stuff.

BlindSite
04-09-2010, 08:07 PM
UFC 112 is special for a number of reasons, first it takes place in Abu Dhabi, somewhere in the far off magical Arab land where women where funny clothes and men have beards and sheets on their heads.

This is important for two reasons, 1) it shows the potential MMA has to eventually become the largest sport in the world, all cultures for whatever reason, love to watch two grown men beat each other senseless.

2) Saudi Arabia has some of the most knowledgeable martial arts fans on the planet, especially when it comes to grappling, they host one of the most prestigious tournaments in the world there.

3) It features an amazing card.

UFC 112 will see two champions, BJ Penn and Anderson Silva put their titles on the line against two of the better fighters in their respective divisions. Frankie Edgar, though a small lightweight is coming off some dominant wins using sharp boxing and effective wrestling. Maia lucked into his title shot because the consensus fighters above him, Chael Sonnen, and Vitor Belfort were injured.

It also features the return to the Octagon of Matt Hughes (former juggernaut at 170 and Welterweight Champion) and Renzo Gracie (former pride superstar). It’s interesting to note, that should Hughes win this fight he’ll have 17 wins in the octagon, the most all time.

The other fights are relatively inconsequential as far as title pictures go, however there are many young fighters to watch, such as Phil Davis who is a dominant wrestler and delivers a lot of damage from the bottom and Nick Oszuipak for you Brits.

The card also features season 3 TUF winner Kendall "da Spider" grove.

If you already know about the UFC and MMA let the discussion begin. If you’re new to the sport and looking to learn I strongly suggest even if it’s expensive, GET THIS PPV. You might not recognise names but you have the chance to see 4 TRUE LEGENDS of the sport put their belts and pride on the line.

If for no other reason you’ll at least get to see her:
http://www.gameroomhaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/arianny-celeste-ufc.jpg
And her:

http://www.fhmonline.com/images/media/100sexiest/200804112235374855058_Rachelle-Leah.jpg

Carry cards that say something (never looked at the cards) between rounds.

fenikz
04-09-2010, 08:07 PM
not including Shogun? he did beat Machida

Rob S
04-09-2010, 08:10 PM
not including Shogun? he did beat Machida

this is true :)

SeanTaylorRIP
04-09-2010, 08:14 PM
LOLZ and the Spider picture.

BlindSite
04-09-2010, 08:17 PM
not including Shogun? he did beat Machida

Shogun has still only won against Mark Coleman and Chuck Lidell in the UFC he becomes noteworthy when he actually wins against someone not loses three of 5 rounds and cries in a locker room. ;)

Ward
04-10-2010, 02:01 AM
Picks for 112 -

Silva over Maia : I am big fans of both fighters, so I am very excited for this fight. Silva is a 'martial artist' in the truest sense. Maia is BJJ's great shining hope in MMA as it stands today. I am rooting for Maia to upset, but I just can't see it happening. Silva by TKO.

Penn over Edgar : What's interesting to me is that this fight is very similar to 111's GSP vs Hardy. Well rounded champion vs brick throwing contender with unpolished ground skills. I hope that Penn chooses to fight differently than GSP did, but I will hold him to the same standard that I held GSP to. A champion's job is to win, you don't have to KO or finish guys to prove yourself. I do see Penn finishing this however, probably in the 3rd or 4th round if Edgar fights up to his ability. TKO or RNC in the 4th.

Hughes over Gracie : I am a huge Renzo Gracie fan, a huge BJJ fan, and for the most part I detest wrestlers. Sherdog's pro pick overwhelmingly chose Gracie as the winner. I don't get that. Hughes might as well be a black belt in BJJ for his knowledge of defense alone. Throw in his obvious mastery of a few basic subs, and I consider Hughes the greatest p4p grappler the sport has ever seen. None of that is gone. Hughes is going to take Gracie down, use the cage, and GnP him until the finish. Hughes by unanimous decision.

Not gonna pick the other fights, but I am very excited to see more from Munoz and Phil Davis.

Rob S
04-10-2010, 10:30 AM
Since people will be asking:

http://www.veetle.com/view/index.html#4bb0266502aea

Link to 112.....are we discussing this starting at 1 or waiting until tn?

Cicero
04-10-2010, 12:04 PM
Link to 112.....are we discussing this starting at 1 or waiting until tn?

That was my question as well.

josh07039
04-10-2010, 12:06 PM
That was my question as well.I mean, I assume some people dont remember its one and will tune in at 10. So I don't how fair it is to discuss, but still...its on now and we are here now.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 12:08 PM
Its so weird watching UFC at 6pm, still, should be awesome, am excited!

Cicero
04-10-2010, 12:23 PM
Damn! Damn! Damn!!!

The_Dude
04-10-2010, 12:23 PM
Since people will be asking:

http://www.veetle.com/view/index.html#4bb0266502aea

Link to 112.....are we discussing this starting at 1 or waiting until tn?

Thanks, Rob. I watched the last one on Veetle and it looked really good.

I will be streaming this one, too.

iBoldin
04-10-2010, 12:24 PM
Grove looked good, but Munoz really finished that off well.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 12:28 PM
Etim time, WAR ETIM!!!

Cicero
04-10-2010, 12:36 PM
That was bs.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 12:38 PM
Seemed a bit weird definitely, would like to see a replay

Cicero
04-10-2010, 12:44 PM
Nicely done. We're off to a great start tonight.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 12:46 PM
I'm not sure if we can discuss it if people aren't watchin live over there so spoiler tags just in case...

Terry will be disappointed in that fight, as with all British fighers, he couldn't defend the takedown and you cant let Dos Anjos get on top on the ground, his jits is too good, even for Terry who is no mug

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 12:47 PM
Who would you all like to see Phil Davis fight next? Brandon Vera would be a great fight for him to test ala Jon Jones, but obviously they would never fight since they are training partners. I think Matyushenko would be a great barometer fight for him. Maybe even the loser of Bader/Silva. I have a feeling though that the UFC will take a different route and will try to build him slowly. A few more fights on the undercard. Give him easy wins against guys like Jason Brilz or Kyle Kingsbury.

Cicero
04-10-2010, 12:51 PM
Phil Davis pulls a sub! Excellent job, he looked great.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 12:53 PM
Phil Davis pulls a sub! Excellent job, he looked great.

Absolutely, very impressive

UKfan
04-10-2010, 01:12 PM
Nothing worse than watching tentative sloppy standup by 2 guys who want to be on the ground, except maybe LnP

Rob S
04-10-2010, 01:14 PM
Hughes is really bring the violence back lol.....this fight is abysmal....Hughes should retire.

Cicero
04-10-2010, 01:15 PM
Hughes is really bring the violence back lol.....this fight is abysmal....Hughes should retire.

Combination strikes. This fight does not have it.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 01:18 PM
Combination strikes. This fight does not have it.

A pulse. This fight does not have it

Cicero
04-10-2010, 01:21 PM
I know Renzo took a lot of damage but he wasn't out there...

UKfan
04-10-2010, 01:23 PM
I know Renzo took a lot of damage but he wasn't out there...

He was never in there, that fight was painful to watch, I think I took more damage than Renzo

Cicero
04-10-2010, 01:25 PM
He was never in there, that fight was painful to watch, I think I took more damage than Renzo

Yes, that was painful to watch.

josh07039
04-10-2010, 01:28 PM
This is it. This is Jersey's chance to show its worth....nothing.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 01:32 PM
I'm pulling for Frank Edgar here, but I really cant see him winning unfortunately

josh07039
04-10-2010, 01:34 PM
I'm pulling for Frank Edgar here, but I really cant see him winning unfortunatelyI obviously am too, I think hes going to be true jersey here, just take a beating and have a tough guy attitude as it happens.

Cicero
04-10-2010, 01:45 PM
2-0 The Prodigy

UKfan
04-10-2010, 01:48 PM
2-0 The Prodigy

I can see an argument for Edgar taking a round maybe, Edgar is being more aggressive getting off first, and the got a kinda takedown almost, but I would score it 2-0 too

Cicero
04-10-2010, 01:53 PM
Again, not a whole lot separating either guy but I think Edgar did a little bit more there.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 01:57 PM
Again, not a whole lot separating either guy but I think Edgar did a little bit more there.

BJ looks very frustrated, I dont see why he wouldnt do what his corner said too and try to take Edgar down.

Cicero
04-10-2010, 01:59 PM
BJ looks very frustrated, I dont see why he wouldnt do what his corner said too and try to take Edgar down.

Ya I don't know why he wouldn't want to take him down. This could very well be an even fight going into round 5.

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:00 PM
BJ looks very frustrated, I dont see why he wouldnt do what his corner said too and try to take Edgar down.Im not really sure what BJ is doing, hes being way too passive and way too content to wait for counter punching opportunities. This one might be 2-2 going into the 5th.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:00 PM
Ya I don't know why he wouldn't want to take him down. This could very well be an even fight going into round 5.

Nice TD to start Rd 5!

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:00 PM
TAKEDOWN, thats the Rutgers wrestling baby

Cicero
04-10-2010, 02:04 PM
This is going to be an interesting decision to say the least.

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:04 PM
I don't know if he did enough to win, But Edgar did a great job. He really showed amazing footwork and a guidaesque ability to stay fresh the whole time. BJ really made a mistake not taking him down whe his corner asked

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:05 PM
I think Edgar won, but might not get the decision, as you have to convincingly beat the champ to be the champ a lot of the time

Rob S
04-10-2010, 02:06 PM
BJ looked awful and had a poor gameplan. He should have went to the ground in the 4th and 5th imo.....at least tried it. I still have him winning 3-2, but it wasn't a good performance at all

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:06 PM
HOLY **** JERSEY IN THE HOUSE

Cicero
04-10-2010, 02:07 PM
He did it holy ****!!! D-Unit is gonna be pissed.

Rob S
04-10-2010, 02:07 PM
What the **** where the judges watching? 50-45?

Cicero
04-10-2010, 02:08 PM
What the **** where the judges watching? 50-45?

Ya that scorecard was off IMO.

Rob S
04-10-2010, 02:09 PM
UK, are UFC ppvs still on for free in England?

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:10 PM
I don't understand 50-45 but I thought Edgar won a razor thin decision. Penn won the first two, but he slowed down as the fight went on and just had a stupid gameplan. He didn't push the action and he just let the fight get away. Then again, maybe BJ just couldn't find an opening for the TD with all of Edgars movement.

MetSox17
04-10-2010, 02:10 PM
lol yeah, i didn't think he won five straight rounds, but since round 2 (when i started watching), he was the aggressor and he was the one attempting takedowns, even got him down a couple of times. Like usual, Penn looked like dog **** in the late rounds, i'm glad he lost, i ******* hate him.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:10 PM
50-45 was ridiculous, all I can think is he factored in aggression too high as Edgar was getting off first, but 48-47 seemed about right

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:12 PM
UK, are UFC ppvs still on for free in England?

Technically yes, but you have to pay a few bucks a month to get ESPN (The UK version) over here, but it carries UFC, some EPL football matches that Setanta lost when they went bust, college football and soon will have Monday Night Football as well which currently isnt on the air here, so worth the money!! :D

Cicero
04-10-2010, 02:12 PM
I don't understand 50-45 but I thought Edgar won a razor thin decision. Penn won the first two, but he slowed down as the fight went on and just had a stupid gameplan. He didn't push the action and he just let the fight get away. Then again, maybe BJ just couldn't find an opening for the TD with all of Edgars movement.

He never even shot once, and he had ahold of him a few times. I think he was just ignoring his corner.

Rob S
04-10-2010, 02:13 PM
I think BJ won 1 and 2 pretty clearly and Edgar won 5 clearly.....the rest were up in the air a little bit. I gave Penn the 3rd and Edgar the 4th. The stream isnt amazing quality tho so I may change my opinion when I see it on TV.

Rob S
04-10-2010, 02:15 PM
Technically yes, but you have to pay a few bucks a month to get ESPN (The UK version) over here, but it carries UFC, some EPL football matches that Setanta lost when they went bust, college football and soon will have Monday Night Football as well which currently isnt on the air here, so worth the money!! :D

nice, thats awesome. There's a very good chance I will be living in London in 2 years!

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:17 PM
He never even shot once, and he had ahold of him a few times. I think he was just ignoring his corner.
I think that he probably just had too much pride in his boxing to concede that he was losing on the feet, but also keep in mind, when Edgar fought Sherk, everyone wondered why Sherk didn't shoot more often and when I rewatched it was really because of Edgar never standing still and getting in a position to invite a shot. Beyond loving Edgar, I just love that this now completely opens up the LW division.

Chucky
04-10-2010, 02:18 PM
Does anyone have a stream. The one Rob posted on the first page didn't work for me. FRRRRAAACCCCKKKK

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:19 PM
nice, thats awesome. There's a very good chance I will be living in London in 2 years!

Sweet! I am about 2 and a half hours out from London.

MetSox17
04-10-2010, 02:22 PM
I think BJ won 1 and 2 pretty clearly and Edgar won 5 clearly.....the rest were up in the air a little bit. I gave Penn the 3rd and Edgar the 4th. The stream isnt amazing quality tho so I may change my opinion when I see it on TV.

See, i don't think it's as clear as you're making it to be. From the second round on, i thought Edgar was clearly the aggressor in the fight, and was taking everything he could to Penn. Penn was satisfied just counter-punching, didn't even use many leg kicks. He made it a kick boxing match when he was clearly outclassed (at least this night) in that area. Not once when i was watching did i think that Penn won a round, but three and four were difficult to score. I'm not saying i would have had it as lopsided as two of the judges, but i can understand.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:23 PM
If Anderson vs GSP was to happen at 170, I would die a happy man, OMG!

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 02:23 PM
Unfortunately I think that 50-45 score taints the victory. No doubt the decision could have gone to either and Edgar is a rightful winner but one judge scoring the bout 50-45 makes you question if they have some special criteria.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:27 PM
Anderson is a beast but the showboating rubs me the wrong way, all that backstepping touching the floor BS

MetSox17
04-10-2010, 02:30 PM
Anderson is a beast but the showboating rubs me the wrong way, all that backstepping touching the floor BS

when all your opponent is doing is shadow boxing three feet away from you, there's not much else you can do.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:32 PM
Like Goldie said, if you are Anderson Silva, finish him! Maia has NOTHING on the feet, Silva could throw anything he wants instead of all the BSing, this is fighting not Dancing With The Stars!

Ward
04-10-2010, 02:33 PM
I am so ******* sick of the judging in the UFC. It's really killing the sport for me. This is not ******* figure skating, this is not ******* boxing. If this is truly the sport of fighting, then LET THE FIGHT DETERMINE THE WINNER. Draws or extra rounds are not going to kill the sport, ******** corrupt judging will. Imagine if you were a new fight fan and the biggest fights you've seen lately were Rua-Machida and now this ******* travesty Edgar-Penn. I would ******* give up on this bogus sham of a sport. CHRIST.

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:34 PM
Like Goldie said, if you are Anderson Silva, finish him! Maia has NOTHING on the feet, Silva could throw anything he wants instead of all the BSing, this is fighting not Dancing With The Stars!
The problem is that every time Silva even winds up Maia runs. But I think he probably could finish if he just went for it.

The_Dude
04-10-2010, 02:36 PM
how do you add the spoiler tags?

is it like everything else:

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:37 PM
how do you add the spoiler tags?

is it like everything else:
Just quote a person who has a spoiler and youll see. Its just the same as other stuff though.

Ward
04-10-2010, 02:38 PM
Possible ways to fix MMA:

Get rid of the judges completely. If there's no decisive winner after 3 (or 5), you add 2 more rounds. If there's no decisive winner after that, you call it a draw. A draw is credible. A draw is REAL, not all fights have winners. Another possible solution, get former or current MMA stars to judge the fights. At least there is some credibility there. If you've got a lightweight match, get three heavyweight fighters not associated with either camp to judge. Or even the other referees. If Mergliotta (puke) is in the cage, have Dean, Lavigne, and Mazzagotti judging the fight. These guys know what is actually causing damage and controlling a fight. END THE MADNESS UFC. I'm not buying any more UFC PPVs, I'm stealing them all until this is fixed.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 02:42 PM
Possible ways to fix MMA:

Get rid of the judges completely. If there's no decisive winner after 3 (or 5), you add 2 more rounds. If there's no decisive winner after that, you call it a draw. A draw is credible. A draw is REAL, not all fights have winners. Another possible solution, get former or current MMA stars to judge the fights. At least there is some credibility there. If you've got a lightweight match, get three heavyweight fighters not associated with either camp to judge. Or even the other referees. If Mergliotta (puke) is in the cage, have Dean, Lavigne, and Mazzagotti judging the fight. These guys know what is actually causing damage and controlling a fight. END THE MADNESS UFC. I'm not buying any more UFC PPVs, I'm stealing them all until this is fixed.

What do you mean by no decisive winner? Someone has to judge who's winning the fight. Also the judges are all just as knowledgeable if not more than any fighter. Every judge has their bias. Do you think Anderson Silva or GSP as judges would change anything. If anything they would be bias towards wrestlers, fellow countrymen, etc. Judging is all opinion. The system is fine as is. Sure you will get some bad decisions, but you have to live with it. That's part of the sport. You can't have guys fighting 7 round fights or whatever until someone drops. This would limit guys to no more than 2 fights a year. As they say any time you let it go in the hands of the judges you risk something crazy happening. If you don't show killer instinct than you risk losing a decision. That was displayed today. It seemed like he(we all know who I'm talking about but don't want to spoil), became complacent and didn't maximize his skill. This is a good wake up call for him. To want to banish judging from MMA IMO would be ridiculous.

Cicero
04-10-2010, 02:44 PM
I'm one of Anderson's biggest fans but come on put the pressure on.

MetSox17
04-10-2010, 02:47 PM
What do you mean by no decisive winner? Someone has to judge who's winning the fight. Also the judges are all just as knowledgeable if not more than any fighter. Every judge has their bias. Do you think Anderson Silva or GSP as judges would change anything. If anything they would be bias towards wrestlers, fellow countrymen, etc. Judging is all opinion. The system is fine as is. Sure you will get some bad decisions, but you have to live with it. That's part of the sport. You can't have guys fighting 7 round fights or whatever until someone drops. This would limit guys to no more than 2 fights a year. As they say any time you let it go in the hands of the judges you risk something crazy happening. If you don't show killer instinct than you risk losing a decision. That was displayed today. It seemed like he(we all know who I'm talking about but don't want to spoil), became complacent and didn't maximize his skill. This is a good wake up call for him. To want to banish judging from MMA IMO would be ridiculous.

+1, couldn't have said it better myself.

UKfan
04-10-2010, 02:50 PM
Maia is gaining more respect from me here, he is outclassed on the feet and can't get Anderson down, but he is hanging in there and swinging. Anderson is losing a stupid amount of respect from me here, do something!

iBoldin
04-10-2010, 02:51 PM
At least Maia is putting up a fight and trying to attack, this is ridiculous.

Ward
04-10-2010, 02:54 PM
What do you mean by no decisive winner? Someone has to judge who's winning the fight. Also the judges are all just as knowledgeable if not more than any fighter. Every judge has their bias. Do you think Anderson Silva or GSP as judges would change anything. If anything they would be bias towards wrestlers, fellow countrymen, etc. Judging is all opinion. The system is fine as is. Sure you will get some bad decisions, but you have to live with it. That's part of the sport. You can't have guys fighting 7 round fights or whatever until someone drops. This would limit guys to no more than 2 fights a year. As they say any time you let it go in the hands of the judges you risk something crazy happening. If you don't show killer instinct than you risk losing a decision. That was displayed today. It seemed like he(we all know who I'm talking about but don't want to spoil), became complacent and didn't maximize his skill. This is a good wake up call for him. To want to banish judging from MMA IMO would be ridiculous.

A decisive winner in a fight is the person who either submits or knocks out (or causes ref stoppage) his opponent. That's it. In a fight between two men, that's how a fight would end. I do not understand the obsession with 5 minute rounds, 5 minutes is a completely arbitrary amount of time. People always wax poetic about Pride and how great it was. 10 minute first rounds and more legal moves are some of the things that made Pride great. You know, actual fighting. Admitting that every judge has bias proves my point. Clearly the fights are not being judged objectively. I don't want to watch or support a sport that is judged subjectively, such as figure skating. That is not compelling, and not athletic competition at it's highest level. It's a game of who can avoid getting hurt and impress 3 unqualified randos with subjective ideas of how to "win" a "fight". Compare it to most recent NFL overtime rules. Coin flip basically won the game for you, and people hated it because it wasn't real football, and the outcome was determined by something other than the previous 60 minutes of war on the field. I guarantee that if you took the judges out of it, a more pure form of the sport would emerge. Guys will fight for pride instead of holding out for a decision. What if we just called Rua/Machida a draw? Most people (including the two fighters, agreeing to the immediate rematch) consider it a draw regardless of the decision the judges submitted. Does it take away from that fight in the least bit? I don't think so.

The_Dude
04-10-2010, 02:54 PM
what a ******* boring fight

josh07039
04-10-2010, 02:54 PM
THAT SUCKED. I didnt like Anderson before and now I hate him. He just seemed to not want to do anything. I don't buy that he was tired and hiding it by not attacking. He was making some kind of joke of a statement.

Rob S
04-10-2010, 02:55 PM
They just need to get competent judges in there, that's it. If a judge turns in a terrible card, you suspend him. If he does it again, he doesnt get to judge in the UFC anymore.

Ward
04-10-2010, 02:57 PM
+1, couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion! You clearly know a lot about MMA. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 03:00 PM
There was a big enough struggle to get MMA legalized in many American states, even to the point that the Big Apple and so many states still doesn't have legal MMA fights in venues, having fights until someone gets dropped would only push MMA away from America. The sport has evolved now. With the current rules and judging it has become a sport of who has the most skill and strategy. It isn't just an all out brawl anymore like the old days. I loved the Pride rules, but the rules we have right now are just fine. The current rules help insure safety for the athletes and longevity in their mma careers if possible. Most courts already think the sport is too violent, changing the rules as I think you are inferring would just damage MMA.

Ward
04-10-2010, 03:01 PM
Also, can we come to a community agreement on the length of time required to pass before we can openly talk about an event? 24 hours? 48? 3 days? 1 week? I am fine with the spoiler tags during the event, I hate accidentally having a fight spoiled.

MetSox17
04-10-2010, 03:01 PM
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion! You clearly know a lot about MMA. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Dude, don't get all butt-hurt because someone disagrees with your opinion. It's stupid to think that MMA or Boxing, will ever get rid of the scoring system they currently have. I conceded that i couldn't have put together a better counter argument than the one STRIP offered, so what the hell is your problem? I'm not the one coming in here pretending he's an MMA genius just cause he spent three months in a BJJ gym.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 03:06 PM
I usually love the Spider's gamesmanship and taunts, but today I think was too much. He came out looking very douchey this fight. I guess that's what happens though when you put in someone who has no right to be getting a title shot in there. Silva just really has outgrown the division to a point that he can make a joke of it.

Ward
04-10-2010, 03:07 PM
There was a big enough struggle to get MMA legalized in many American states, even to the point that the Big Apple and so many states still doesn't have legal MMA fights in venues, having fights until someone gets dropped would only push MMA away from America. The sport has evolved now. With the current rules and judging it has become a sport of who has the most skill and strategy. It isn't just an all out brawl anymore like the old days. I loved the Pride rules, but the rules we have right now are just fine. The current rules help insure safety for the athletes and longevity in their mma careers if possible. Most courts already think the sport is too violent, changing the rules as I think you are inferring would just damage MMA.

STRIP you are one of my favorite posters of all time, but I want to recommend a book to you. I really hope that this does not come off as condescension, because it isn't. I recommend the book because you are definitely the type of guy who values knowledge and understanding. This rec also goes to any of you guys who want to know more about MMA in general and want an easy/fun read. Total MMA by Jonathan Snowden. The reason I recommend this book is because the portion of your quote that I bolded is absolutely not true. The current rules help insure the perception that the sport is safe, but have no basis in scientific fact or research. 4 oz gloves protect a fighter's hands, not an opponent's skull. Bare knuckle is safer concerning concussions. Rogan has gone on and on about the 12-6 elbow strikes, but to reiterate: the move is banned only because NSAC officials saw it used in board/brick/block breaking karate demos and thought it would be too powerful. There is no science or research data to support this. That's the state of MMA that we live in today, and I am not satisfied. We have to keep progressing the sport, not be happy that they'll let us have it at all. The sport has to make sense, it has to be real, it has to be the highest level of competition possible, otherwise what do we have?

Ward
04-10-2010, 03:09 PM
Dude, don't get all butt-hurt because someone disagrees with your opinion. It's stupid to think that MMA or Boxing, will ever get rid of the scoring system they currently have. I conceded that i couldn't have put together a better counter argument than the one STRIP offered, so what the hell is your problem? I'm not the one coming in here pretending he's an MMA genius just cause he spent three months in a BJJ gym.

I'm butt hurt because you are post whoring. Why not just rep the guy with that? Also, I'm not just a 3 month BJJ participant, I'm the king of the ******* demo.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/2587/FootFistWay.jpg

D-Unit
04-10-2010, 03:11 PM
http://www.gamerdna.com/gallery/data/500/sad_panda_2.jpg

E-Man
04-10-2010, 03:14 PM
I usually love the Spider's gamesmanship and taunts, but today I think was too much. He came out looking very douchey this fight. I guess that's what happens though when you put in someone who has no right to be getting a title shot in there. Silva just really has outgrown the division to a point that he can make a joke of it.

I agree with this. I'm a huge Silva fan, but I can't defend his performance today. It went from being a pretty cool display to a pretty boring display of arrogance. He should have ended it early so that it could be looked at as fun instead of what just happened. This doesn't change Silva's standing in any rankings though.

He won decisively while just toying around like he was sparring. He broke Hughes and Tito's record, and I'm pretty sure he'd do the same to Sonnen. A Vitor fight would be more exciting due to Vitor's dangerous hands, but I think Anderson would handle him too. I kinda hope that Machida loses now so that Anderson gets the eye of the tiger to fight Shogun. That would be fun.

Tampa 2 4 life
04-10-2010, 03:18 PM
There's a difference in not finishing and showboating Leites, who was buttscooting, and not finishing Maia who was standing up for 95% of the fight and not Starnes-ing. Also, anyone who had a score for Penn-Edgar that was not 48-47 either way, or a draw, is incompetent.

Tampa 2 4 life
04-10-2010, 03:19 PM
Rogan has gone on and on about the 12-6 elbow strikes, but to reiterate: the move is banned only because NSAC officials saw it used in board/brick/block breaking karate demos and thought it would be too powerful. There is no science or research data to support this.

Matt Hammill's face

Edit: Also, Ariel Helwani live tweeting post press conference

http://twitter.com/arielhelwani

Ward
04-10-2010, 03:41 PM
Matt Hammill's face

Edit: Also, Ariel Helwani live tweeting post press conference

http://twitter.com/arielhelwani

Matt Hamill was beaten by judo, not the 12-6. Also from your link "DW - I don't want to see GSP vs. Silva after tonight. Silva might be the first champion fighting on a prelim. I don't want to see that sh*t" Assuming DW is Dana White, if so that's pretty bold.

Ward
04-10-2010, 03:43 PM
Picks for 112 -

Silva over Maia : I am big fans of both fighters, so I am very excited for this fight. Silva is a 'martial artist' in the truest sense.

I really regret saying that given what happened today. I don't know if it's because Silva is frustrated with the level of talent being put against him or what, but what he did was disgraceful.

LTgiants
04-10-2010, 03:58 PM
Does anyone have a link where I can watch the fights now that its over?

E-Man
04-10-2010, 04:00 PM
I highly doubt Dana would put Anderson on the prelims. What will happen is either Shogun wins against Machida and Anderson moves up to fight for the title, or they put him against Belfort "the most dangerous striker Anderson has ever faced" this summer. If Vitor pulls out again, then I'm sure they'll fire up the Chael machine and have him talk constant **** on Primetime.

FuzzyGopher
04-10-2010, 06:12 PM
Ruh roh. And damn you ESPN for spoiling the fights for me by putting the results on the main page.

Dana White " I don't want to see GSP vs. Silva after tonight. Silva might be the first champion fighting on a prelim. I don't want to see that sh*t"

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
04-10-2010, 06:58 PM
Ruh roh. And damn you ESPN for spoiling the fights for me by putting the results on the main page.

Dana White " I don't want to see GSP vs. Silva after tonight. Silva might be the first champion fighting on a prelim. I don't want to see that sh*t"

As if ESPN did that. Wow.

JRTPlaya21
04-10-2010, 07:10 PM
Tell me about it I was too pissed off when I was watching ESPN.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 07:49 PM
I learned long ago not to watch ESPN so I wouldn't be spoiled with one of the first England cards they had.

JRTPlaya21
04-10-2010, 07:56 PM
Soooooooooo glad I talked my friend into not ordering this card. I am always down for saving money by watching a live stream or just going to Bdubs.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 08:44 PM
Dana interview after the card, I feel for him. There's really nothing you can do but just hope the guy gets it:

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LTgiants
04-10-2010, 10:19 PM
I was able to watch the main card thanks to a good amount of Google but does anyone know of where I can watch the under card fights at?

Rosebud
04-10-2010, 10:45 PM
So is Anderson still pissed Dana would make him clean out 205 before getting to fight any HWs? I remember after the Forrest fight there was a rumor circulating that Anderson wanted a crack at Mir to test himself and then Dana said no way, that if Anderson wanted to move up he'd have to move up one division and clear that out before getting to move up again. I think Anderson's just trying to go out and prove to Dana that he is bigger than UFC and that he should be allowed to pick his own fights because of that dominance. And frankly Anderson is so dominant that he can do whatever he wants and still hold onto his belt so he does have a point that he's a special case and needs to be handled as such.

jared
04-10-2010, 11:13 PM
So is Anderson still pissed Dana would make him clean out 205 before getting to fight any HWs? I remember after the Forrest fight there was a rumor circulating that Anderson wanted a crack at Mir to test himself and then Dana said no way, that if Anderson wanted to move up he'd have to move up one division and clear that out before getting to move up again. I think Anderson's just trying to go out and prove to Dana that he is bigger than UFC and that he should be allowed to pick his own fights because of that dominance. And frankly Anderson is so dominant that he can do whatever he wants and still hold onto his belt so he does have a point that he's a special case and needs to be handled as such.

Dominant fighters finish fights or at least win them decisively. Silva did more clowning than damage the first two rounds. He spent the next three inexplicably running away from Maia. Sorry, but that's inexcusably poor form from a supposed champion. The entire fight took place in Silva's comfort zone (standing) against an opponent who was known to be a limited striker. There's no excuse for him not engaging his opponent. All his elaborate pre-fight bowing and post-fight comments about what "a great fighter" his opponent is are crap. Clowning your opponent is disrespectful. Refusing to even try to engage or finish him disrespects the fans as well as the opponent. Silva is a bag of ass.

Ward
04-10-2010, 11:14 PM
Silva's side of it:

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BlindSite
04-10-2010, 11:15 PM
I want my $40.00 back. Demarques Johnson deserves a big cheque for FOTN

Penn got ******* jobbed, the guy was the more effective striker first the first three rounds and realistically Edgar was successful on 1 out of 14 take down attempts, 1 out of 14. In the first three rounds he was clearly out struck as well.

Anderson Silva was pathetic, you want to be a champion, then you fight like Carwin, go for the ******* jugular that was terrible.

Renzo and Hughes was the worst display I've ever seen. What a poor showing for what looked like such a good card, pathetic kick boxing, followed by a terrible decision and a pathetic display.

YAYareaRB
04-10-2010, 11:22 PM
So I posted earlier today about BJ Penn losing and now everyone I know here (California) is pissed because they were getting ready to watch it "live" on PPV

Tampa 2 4 life
04-10-2010, 11:25 PM
Penn got ******* jobbed, the guy was the more effective striker first the first three rounds and realistically Edgar was successful on 1 out of 14 take down attempts, 1 out of 14. In the first three rounds he was clearly out struck as well.

Anderson Silva was pathetic, you want to be a champion, then you fight like Carwin, go for the ******* jugular that was terrible.

Renzo and Hughes was the worst display I've ever seen. What a poor showing for what looked like such a good card, pathetic kick boxing, followed by a terrible decision and a pathetic display.

This is as much of a job as Machida-Shogun was a job. Penn clearly one the first 2, Edgar clearly won 4 and 5. 3rd was close. 50-45 and 49-46 are inexcusable scores, though.


Since it aired in America, do we still have to use spoiler tags?

Ward
04-10-2010, 11:27 PM
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Edgar-Penn.html

BlindSite
04-10-2010, 11:35 PM
This is as much of a job as Machida-Shogun was a job. Penn clearly one the first 2, Edgar clearly won 4 and 5. 3rd was close. 50-45 and 49-46 are inexcusable scores, though.


Since it aired in America, do we still have to use spoiler tags?

Machida Shogun was no where near as clean cut as this. In fact Penn fought the same as Machida, won the first three rounds, then got peppered bad enough in the last two for people to think he lost the fight.

Penn clearly was the better fighter and clearly was the stronger grappler. When you have the advantage through three rounds you don't lose.

The only thing I can think of is maybe the judges decided to give him 8 points for the last two rounds, but that's a huge push.

Yeah I don't think we need to worry about spoiler tags anymore. It's aired everywhere now.

FuzzyGopher
04-10-2010, 11:37 PM
If Joe Silva really wanted to be a dick he would make Anderson Silva fight Machida. Although I don't know that it's in the UFC's best interest to get into a pissing match with one of their best fighters.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 11:42 PM
Jon Jones!!!! Make him fight a high risk, low reward fight. A fighter who physically can match him and won't back down. Also a fight in which he has a slight chance of losing but even if he wins it won't be a huge deal because it's expected and not against an elite fighter.

Tampa 2 4 life
04-10-2010, 11:46 PM
If Joe Silva really wanted to be a dick he would make Anderson Silva fight Machida. Although I don't know that it's in the UFC's best interest to get into a pissing match with one of their best fighters.

Silva Vs. Velasquez.

Chucky
04-10-2010, 11:46 PM
Jon Jones!!!! Make him fight a high risk, low reward fight. A fighter who physically can match him and won't back down. Also a fight in which he has a slight chance of losing but even if he wins it won't be a huge deal because it's expected and not against an elite fighter.

They are gonna keep protecting Jon Jones imo. They aren't gonna put him against someone like Silva yet

FuzzyGopher
04-10-2010, 11:47 PM
I thought about that match-up but Jones is waaaay to green and would most likely get his ass kicked. Jones has too much going for him to stunt his progress by feeding him to Anderson to try and make a point.

Tampa 2 4 life
04-10-2010, 11:48 PM
Jon Jones!!!! Make him fight a high risk, low reward fight. A fighter who physically can match him and won't back down. Also a fight in which he has a slight chance of losing but even if he wins it won't be a huge deal because it's expected and not against an elite fighter.

I don't think you want to stunt the growth of a guy like Jones, who's still REALLY young and REALLY green.

BlindSite
04-10-2010, 11:48 PM
The Chael Sonnen fight has to happen now, Sonnen will wrestle the **** out of him.

E-Man
04-10-2010, 11:56 PM
Sonnen would get his **** pushed in by Anderson. Maia ragdolled his ass, but he couldn't do a damn thing to get Anderson to the ground. Even if Chael got Anderson to the ground, he'd get subbed early on. His sub defense isn't that good, and his striking is far and away lower than Anderson's.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-10-2010, 11:56 PM
The Chael Sonnen fight has to happen now, Sonnen will wrestle the **** out of him.

I agree Sonnen might have the best chance to beat him but after this piss poor fight no way Silva is scheduling that. He needs his next fight to be a quick KO either way. If Vitor can't do the fight it will be some other balls out striker. It won't ever happen but I now more than ever want to see him up against Frank Mir who he thinks he can beat.

BlindSite
04-11-2010, 12:33 AM
Sonnen would get his **** pushed in by Anderson. Maia ragdolled his ass, but he couldn't do a damn thing to get Anderson to the ground. Even if Chael got Anderson to the ground, he'd get subbed early on. His sub defense isn't that good, and his striking is far and away lower than Anderson's.

Dan Henderson was doing exceptionally well till he for some reason decided to forget takedowns and swing like a ******. Wrestlers have a good shot against silva.

E-Man
04-11-2010, 12:44 AM
Dan went for two takedowns and they got stuffed in the 2nd round. He just got his ass whupped by Silva instead of standing with Anderson. The only reason why it was still standing was because Anderson kept it there. Sonnen has nothing for Anderson besides wrestling. You really think a one dimensional guy that's at a disadvantage everywhere would beat Anderson? It's possible that it could happen, but Anderson is a serious threat to Chael everywhere.

Rosebud
04-11-2010, 12:54 AM
Dominant fighters finish fights or at least win them decisively. Silva did more clowning than damage the first two rounds. He spent the next three inexplicably running away from Maia. Sorry, but that's inexcusably poor form from a supposed champion. The entire fight took place in Silva's comfort zone (standing) against an opponent who was known to be a limited striker. There's no excuse for him not engaging his opponent. All his elaborate pre-fight bowing and post-fight comments about what "a great fighter" his opponent is are crap. Clowning your opponent is disrespectful. Refusing to even try to engage or finish him disrespects the fans as well as the opponent. Silva is a bag of ass.

He broke Maia's eye socket. He did a lot of taunting, but he was delivering serious damage to a guy who was too scared to even throw a punch with anderson standing right in front of him with his hands at his sides. I know Maia's a BJJ guy and wanted to go to the ground, but if that's the case engage with Anderson and go for a viable take down instead of the 7 foot lunges Maia tried. I suppose Anderson's pissed with Dana about something and is exercising his negotiating leverage by making a joke of Dana. I can understand that, Anderson has massive leverage and Dana should treat him special because he really is special. Now I know a lot of people hate guys with an ego but as I've said before, if anyone deserves to have an ego it's people like Anderson Silva so I don't really care that he's an arrogant guy since I don't think it's arrogance when you and everyone else knows that you can do it.

The last 3 rounds where a major disappointment but he might've been tired like Rogan suggested or he might've just been trying to piss of Dana. Whatever, the first two were fun to watch.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-11-2010, 01:00 AM
GSP/Silva's going to be awesome. I hope GSP beats Silva and teaches him a little humility.

Rob S
04-11-2010, 01:20 AM
GSP/Silva's going to be awesome. I hope GSP beats Silva and teaches him a little humility.

I think the weight cut is going to be huge for Silva......thats a tough class for him to make, hopefully he isnt so dried out that he is a shell of himself.

BlindSite
04-11-2010, 04:15 AM
Dan went for two takedowns and they got stuffed in the 2nd round. He just got his ass whupped by Silva instead of standing with Anderson. The only reason why it was still standing was because Anderson kept it there. Sonnen has nothing for Anderson besides wrestling. You really think a one dimensional guy that's at a disadvantage everywhere would beat Anderson? It's possible that it could happen, but Anderson is a serious threat to Chael everywhere.

This is a misconception.

Hendo didn't go for 2 takedowns, ignore fight metric, he clinched with silva on the cage and slipped while throwing a knee, it wasn't a legit shot, his second "take down attempt" in that round was when he had already been dropped after striking with him for 4 minutes and he grabbed for a leg.

Sonnen is a better wrestler and fight finder might tell you he's not as good, but he has come leaps and bounds from where he was when he first entered the octagon.

I'm not saying Sonnen is a lock, but at MW he's got a better chance than anyone, he's come a long, long way since he fought Maia.

NJCagefighter
04-11-2010, 10:41 AM
Congrats to a Jersey Boy Frankie "The Answer" Edgar on a monumental upset!!!

If only he would take out the Situation next!! And throw in Snooki for good measure. LOL

Caddy
04-11-2010, 12:28 PM
That was one of the worst cards I have ever seen. It started out so great with the Kendall Grove v Mark Munoz fight and even the Dos Anjos fight was an exciting one.

Gracie v Hughes was very meh.

The Frankie Edgar fight was fantastic and I thought he was the deserving winner.

WTF was Anderson thinking. He could have knocked Maia out at any time and instead he lets the fight go for 25 minutes? I'd be pissed if I paid for that card.

nepg
04-11-2010, 01:55 PM
That was one of the worst cards I have ever seen. It started out so great with the Kendall Grove v Mark Munoz fight and even the Dos Anjos fight was an exciting one.

Gracie v Hughes was very meh.

The Frankie Edgar fight was fantastic and I thought he was the deserving winner.

WTF was Anderson thinking. He could have knocked Maia out at any time and instead he lets the fight go for 25 minutes? I'd be pissed if I paid for that card.

Anderson does this every time they give him a garbage opponent. Not that Maia isn't good, he just doesn't have any chance to do anything to Silva. It was always going to be Leites II.

He went from preparing for a really dangerous opponent in Vitor Belfort (biased #2 MW - by far), to getting another Thales Leites fight. He was protesting the opponent he was given. If he's not getting a real threat at MW, they need to find someone at another weight to give him a challenge. So Anderson Silva was just in there trying to not get hurt.

And I can't really hate on him for it. If they're not going to give him a legitimate challenge, then why should he risk breaking his hands knocking some chump out?

And this is pretty obvious. The only times he's done this has been against comparative chumps (Leites, Cote, Maia).

jared
04-11-2010, 02:14 PM
Maia did pose a threat to Silva: on the ground. If Maia posed no challenge, we should have seen Silva follow him to the ground and try end it by GnP.

But Silva's bread and butter is his stand up (where the entire fight took place). More importantly though, he is a counter-puncher who is completely unwilling to leave his comfort zone. If he faces a tentative striker (Cote, Maia) or a dedicated grappler without strong takedowns (Leites and Maia), he just sits and sits and sits. Silva only "performs" when he's faced with an aggressive brawler that plays directly into his strengths. How legitimate of a challenge was Irvin supposed to be? Go look at the betting lines for that fight. They were practically the same as for Leites, Cote, and Maia. Somehow, Silva found it in his heart to "perform" for that "challenge".

Silva threw intermittent jabs and teep kicks while trying to goad his opponent into coming after him (his strong suit). Maia did not indulge him to his liking, so Silva was content to not push the pace.

I don't know why that behavior is excused. If Silva were instead a prolific grappler and flopped to guard in the center of the octagon, taunting his opponent from there (because that's where HE is most comfortable), nobody would stand for that kind of crap.

josh07039
04-11-2010, 02:17 PM
Anderson does this every time they give him a garbage opponent. Not that Maia isn't good, he just doesn't have any chance to do anything to Silva. It was always going to be Leites II.

He went from preparing for a really dangerous opponent in Vitor Belfort (biased #2 MW - by far), to getting another Thales Leites fight. He was protesting the opponent he was given. If he's not getting a real threat at MW, they need to find someone at another weight to give him a challenge. So Anderson Silva was just in there trying to not get hurt.

And I can't really hate on him for it. If they're not going to give him a legitimate challenge, then why should he risk breaking his hands knocking some chump out?

And this is pretty obvious. The only times he's done this has been against comparative chumps (Leites, Cote, Maia).I can blame him. Not only is he an employee who is paid to fight, as an athlete, to an extent, the money you are paid is to entertain the fans. I dont know the exact wording of his contract, but as a fighter, you are paid to fight, not just to dance around and overtly make a mockery of the entire sport. As a fighter, Silva has to recognize that sometimes he is going to get a "subpar" opponent that is just hyped up because the belt cant be on hold for years until someone as talented as he is comes along. I mean, he is so unbelievably talented there might be only several guys in the world that have a skill set close to his own.

If Silva wants better competition, blow everybody out. Win in the first round. It looked like the UFC was inching closer to him vs. GSP by having GSP at ringside. Anderson, you wanted a challenge, it was within grasp if you didn't **** around.

Caddy
04-11-2010, 02:27 PM
Anderson does this every time they give him a garbage opponent. Not that Maia isn't good, he just doesn't have any chance to do anything to Silva. It was always going to be Leites II.

He went from preparing for a really dangerous opponent in Vitor Belfort (biased #2 MW - by far), to getting another Thales Leites fight. He was protesting the opponent he was given. If he's not getting a real threat at MW, they need to find someone at another weight to give him a challenge. So Anderson Silva was just in there trying to not get hurt.

And I can't really hate on him for it. If they're not going to give him a legitimate challenge, then why should he risk breaking his hands knocking some chump out?

And this is pretty obvious. The only times he's done this has been against comparative chumps (Leites, Cote, Maia).

Silva made a mockery of the fight and MMA in general. It was a disgrace and a completely disrespectful showing. Sure Maia isn't as good as Silva, but did Maia really deserve that?

Anderson could have finished the fight early with no damage to himself. Instead he wasted everybody's time.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-11-2010, 02:32 PM
Maynard/Edgar has got to happen. So what's next for Penn now. We all heard the rumors he wanted to take some fights at 170. Does he experiment and take someone at 170 or does he maybe take on KenFlo again with a title shot for the winner.

Hollywood
04-11-2010, 02:42 PM
Silva made a mockery of the fight and MMA in general. It was a disgrace and a completely disrespectful showing. Sure Maia isn't as good as Silva, but did Maia really deserve that?

Anderson could have finished the fight early with no damage to himself. Instead he wasted everybody's time.

wahhhhhhhhhh Did Maia really deserve that?? huh? If you aren't talented enough and can't do enough to win, that's on you not your opponent who we shouldn't belittle for making Maia look like a toy for a pitbull. And Silva can do whatever the **** he wants, he gets paid to fight, as long as he wins why does he have to do anything more than he wants?

He doesn't fight because of the fans, he doesn't fight because of the UFC, he doesn't fight because of fights, he fights because he makes lots and lots of money doing it and he is one of the best in the world at it.

Chucky
04-11-2010, 02:46 PM
wahhhhhhhhhh Did Maia really deserve that?? huh? If you aren't talented enough and can't do enough to win, that's on you not your opponent who we shouldn't belittle for making Maia look like a toy for a pitbull. And Silva can do whatever the **** he wants, he gets paid to fight, as long as he wins why does he have to do anything more than he wants?

He doesn't fight because of the fans, he doesn't fight because of the UFC, he doesn't fight because of fights, he fights because he makes lots and lots of money doing it and he is one of the best in the world at it.

So are you completely fine in other sports when players sign big contracts and then completely pack it in?

That is essentially what Silva is doing.

Caddy
04-11-2010, 02:47 PM
wahhhhhhhhhh Did Maia really deserve that?? huh? If you aren't talented enough and can't do enough to win, that's on you not your opponent who we shouldn't belittle for making Maia look like a toy for a pitbull. And Silva can do whatever the **** he wants, he gets paid to fight, as long as he wins why does he have to do anything more than he wants?

He doesn't fight because of the fans, he doesn't fight because of the UFC, he doesn't fight because of fights, he fights because he makes lots and lots of money doing it and he is one of the best in the world at it.

I'm fine with Silva making his opponents look stupid for round or two. But for five? No way in hell.

Ward
04-11-2010, 02:51 PM
Yeah Silva went beyond disrespecting Maia and Dana White, he disrespected any fan who paid for a seat in Abu Dhabi, and any fan worldwide who bought the PPV - he was supposed to be the main event. Something I just caught on the second viewing was that Anderson Silva's father was in attendance. Maybe there is a difference in cultures, but I can't imagine acting that foolish in front of my father during a competition. Silva is immensely talented, but to go out and bow to the four corners, bow to his opponent, bow to the crowd, and then do what he did... it tells us something about his maturity and character. I don't always agree with Dana White, but DW is right on this - if you're that dominant, go out and do it like Tyson. Knock guys out in under a minute and prove that 185 is a waste of your time and talent. It's not as though Maia had a plan for Silva going 100% - no one does. That's what we fans (the ones who buy PPVs and tickets and merch) deserve.

nepg
04-11-2010, 03:20 PM
He kept beckoning Maia to fight him, but Maia couldn't.

It's not Silva's fault that the only place Maia had a chance was on the ground, and that Maia couldn't get him down, and rarely tried.

Silva is a defensive, reactionary fighter. If his opponent(s) can't or won't attack him, or pose a threat to his well-being, I don't have a problem with Silva sitting back and just taking an easy, injury-free win.

Champions should be defensive fighters when they defend their belts. If you don't go get them, you don't deserve to win. We saw Anderson and Machida both be very offensive fighters in their #1 contendership fights and championship fights because they knew the other guy had something that they had to go take. When someone steps into the ring with them, their mindset is that the challenger needs to come try to take their belt. Moussasi and Fedor do this as well.

I don't feel bad for anyone who bought that PPV thinking Silva was going to put on a show against Maia. If you did, you're a 'tard.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-11-2010, 03:26 PM
There's a difference in being defensive and trying to making the fight a joke. Maia charged plenty of times but he made no efforts to seriously counter punch and end it. Being defensive is one thing, but being an ahole and showing that you don't give a sh*t is another thing.

Rosebud
04-11-2010, 06:38 PM
Maia didn't throw a punch in the first round. I to would be scared of Anderson Silva but it's not my job to fight him. When a guy's standing in front of you hands down with a knee on the ground, at least throw an uppercut. Anderson made a mockery of Maia because Maia was scared and deserved to be mocked. If your game is all about the groundgame taking dudes down is part of that. If you can't do that well that's your failure, not your opponents.

Anderson entertained me and my friends for 2 rounds, and then the rules of UFC let him just chillax. My only issue with this fight is that the UFC's scoring system doesn't reward fighters for trying to end fights enough. It wouldn't have mattered too much in this fight, but any degree of risk they could've added to this fight would've helped.

Rosebud
04-11-2010, 06:55 PM
Anyway regardless of weight class who do you guys think has a chance against Anderson? Here's me list:
Fedor
If anyone can take Anderson's fists and take him down Fedor can, and if he does that I can't see Anderson lasting long. On the feet fedor has the power to catch Anderson although if stays on the feet the Spider clearly has an advantage.

Lyoto
If one man can match Anderson's speed and defense it's lyoto. This would be a super-fight but unfortunately will never happen until Lyoto's more popular than Anderson, and then it's only a maybe.

Shogun
Pride Shogun was explosive and dangerous enough to stop Anderson, if he's really back this might be our most realistic chance to see Anderson actually lose. That said he'd have to be patient and last until Anderson slows down and then he'd have to really get a good push on Anderson.

Mousasi
Yes I'm a gegard fanboy but this would be a great fight. Gegard has the striking to not get dominated and if he uses that to take Anderson down I think he'd actually have a good chance because like his mentor fedor he has some scary quick subs.

Vitor Belfort
This fight will be decided in the first round. Vitor will fly out and try and catch Anderson with a vicious flurry. If it works that'll be huge, if not Anderson will destroy Vitor, which is really the only way I see this fight actually going.

Cain/JDs
These two HW might have the quickness at their size to get lucky. Anderson would almost certainly pick either one apart but Cain could be the most dangerous wrestler out there for Anderson, Brock's just too slow, and JDS has great speed and power for a HW, Anderson would be a lot faster but JDS might be fast enough to get lucky punch in.

GSP
I just don't see it happening. I don't trust his chin enough at all and I just don't think he has the striking to set up a legit takedown.

UKfan
04-12-2010, 11:47 AM
GSP I think would be the most likely in all honesty at 170. GSP would be extremely cautious, get into range, and then I dont care who you are, you don't stop a GSP takedown.

E-Man
04-12-2010, 05:41 PM
Maynard/Edgar has got to happen. So what's next for Penn now. We all heard the rumors he wanted to take some fights at 170. Does he experiment and take someone at 170 or does he maybe take on KenFlo again with a title shot for the winner.

This is what's been on my mind today. Do we get two rematches in Edgar/Maynard and Penn/Florian, or do we get Penn vs. Maynard and Edgar vs. Florian? Gray getting the shot makes the most sense, because if you think about it he should have been ahead of Edgar to fight B.J. Who does that leave B.J to fight then? I don't want to see him fight Florian again, so I'm thinking Tyson Griffin.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-12-2010, 05:47 PM
Problem though was how fcking boring Maynard/Edgar was back then. Sure they've improved but Edgar still won't ever finish a fight especially at this level of competition, and while he has power, GNP is still Maynard's bread and butter. I think after the Anderson Silva fiasco Dana would be scared of hell of having a hump fest, which is why I think ultimately KenFlo gets the title shot, even though I don't think he deserves it so soon. I'd love to see KenFlo fight Sotiropoulos, and then maybe to get him back on track while it doesn't have the luster it used to, Penn vs Gomi.

LTgiants
04-12-2010, 05:53 PM
I think Penn will get Edgar in a rematch

E-Man
04-12-2010, 05:55 PM
Florian would be a good matchup against Edgar right now, so I wouldn't be opposed to it. Gray Maynard is a top contender though, so he deserves to fight a top guy. A fight with B.J. would be interesting, because Gray just might be the biggest in the division. Could he overpower B.J. in a way that Florian and Diego couldn't?

Either way, that matchup gives you the next contender after Florian. If B.J. wins it's easy to put him back in the limelight; he's been the man for so long that he shouldn't stay away from a title shot that long. If Maynard wins, then beating B.J. gives him all the reasoning needed to get a title shot.

Rosebud
04-12-2010, 07:39 PM
GSP I think would be the most likely in all honesty at 170. GSP would be extremely cautious, get into range, and then I dont care who you are, you don't stop a GSP takedown.

See I just don't see that. GSP will get beaten up before he gets into range for his shot and by that time Anderson will be gone.

El Peefs?????
04-13-2010, 11:54 AM
Time to bring the yellow card system into UFC! You know what motivates someone? Start taking away their cash money.

Rob S
04-13-2010, 12:19 PM
I like the yellow card system as a fan, the fighter in me detests it tho haha. Wrestler who win by lay n pray shouldn't really have purses cut imo. For a guy like Silva, tho, who was just being an absolute ass, it would be great.

Rosebud
04-13-2010, 01:33 PM
I like the yellow card system as a fan, the fighter in me detests it tho haha. Wrestler who win by lay n pray shouldn't really have purses cut imo. For a guy like Silva, tho, who was just being an absolute ass, it would be great.

**** that, Lay n Pray is the biggest threat to MMA's success in America. If you're going to do MMA you should have to try and actually do some damage to win.

E-Man
04-13-2010, 01:55 PM
I don't think Lay and Pray is a big problem. The bigger problem to me is guys not learning how to fight off their backs, and then bitching about the winner not "fighting" them when their weaknesses on the ground are exploited. The guy on the bottom doing nothing is just as bad, if not worse, than the guy on top who isn't doing major damage.

Wootylicous
04-13-2010, 02:07 PM
I'm beginning Vale Tudo next week. Anyone have tips or does anyone ever did that ?

UKfan
04-13-2010, 02:10 PM
I wholeheartedly agree, the guys who don't look to improve a weakness in their game really annoy me. The Brits as a whole for example used to be woeful at wrestling, as we just don't do it here. People such as Bisping, Etim, Pearon etc have gone to work on this heavily and wrestling is now on the up here (look at Cheick Kongo's TD defense improvement since joining the Wolfslair), we still aren't great at it, but we recognise it and are looking to improve it, and in the meantime our guys are learning all the time to fight off their backs and improve their jits.

El Peefs?????
04-13-2010, 02:12 PM
I'm beginning Vale Tudo next week. Anyone have tips or does anyone ever did that ?

I thought Vale Tudo was a no holds barred type of fighting, not an actual martial art in itself. A lot like MMA in that it had tons of different styles used in it.

Ward
04-13-2010, 05:25 PM
I'm beginning Vale Tudo next week. Anyone have tips or does anyone ever did that ?

What rules are you going to be dealing with? Unified like we all see on UFC today, or pre-Unified NHB rules?

SeanTaylorRIP
04-13-2010, 05:34 PM
Sherdog says a rematch between Edgar and Penn is being scheduled possibly for this summer. So yeah Edgar better come back with the perfect gameplan again because B.J. is going to be scary. He's going to be training like hell. If Edgar can win again, he will sneak into the P4P discussion especially considering his frame is smaller than a lot of 145ers. Do we get KenFlo and Maynard now, I'd love to see that. Don't see that going well for Maynard though. KenFlo is sick off his back with elbows and jitz. Standing Maynard may have more power but Kenflo is a superior striker. Quicker, longer, more variation. Gray of course has a punchers chance with a big overhand or a quick GnP spurt. He better go for the finish whenever give an opportunity or it won't bode well for him.

Wootylicous
04-13-2010, 05:50 PM
What rules are you going to be dealing with? Unified like we all see on UFC today, or pre-Unified NHB rules?

The only thing I know is I will be training with Firas Zahabi (GSP head trainer) don't know about the rules as of know.

BlindSite
04-14-2010, 02:20 AM
I thought Vale Tudo was a no holds barred type of fighting, not an actual martial art in itself. A lot like MMA in that it had tons of different styles used in it.

Vale Tudo was no holds barred, like the first UFC events, but nowadays Vale Tudo is like MMA but with stuff for the street mixed in.

Vale Tudo is to Brazil what MMA is to the US and what Hapki Sool is to Korea.

I'd imagine it being Brazillian it'll include Muai Thai, boxing and Jiu Jitsu but not much if any wrestling.

FuzzyGopher
04-15-2010, 11:47 AM
Looks like they are trying to setup Anderson Silva v Chael Sonnen. I really wish they Hadn't let Dan Henderson walk, I would love to see him go against Silva again.

Ward
04-15-2010, 12:10 PM
Pretty good fight on TUF last night, 3 round war. Some positional stalling, but nothing too bad.