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princefielder28
04-12-2010, 12:25 PM
QB

1. Sam Bradford* :: Oklahoma
2. Jimmy Clausen* :: Notre Dame
3. Dan LeFevour :: Central Michigan
4. Tim Tebow :: Florida
5. Zac Robinson :: Oklahoma State
6. Colt McCoy :: Texas
7. John Skelton :: Fordham
8. Jevan Snead* :: Ole Miss
9. Levi Brown :: Troy
10. Jarrett Brown :: West Virginia
11. Tony Pike :: Cincinnati
12. Mike Kafka :: Northwestern
13. Sean Canfield :: Oregon State
14. Jonathan Crompton :: Tennessee
15. Tim Hiller :: Western Michigan
16. Bill Stull :: Pittsburgh
17. Matt Nichols :: Eastern Washington
18. Rusty Smith :: Florida Atlantic
19. Ryan Perrilloux :: Jacksonville State
20. Daryll Clark :: Penn State

Underrated Prospect :: Zac Robinson
Overrated Prospect :: Colt McCoy

Overall impressions :: Everyone knows that Bradford and Clausen are head and shoulders above the rest of the field if youíre looking for a ďfranchise QBĒ but thereís probably eight or nine players who have the chance to be players at the next level if they fall into the right situation and get the necessary coaching. I know the success rate, or lack thereof, when it comes to taking a quarterback outside of round one and I wouldnít advise a team waiting and taking a chance on one of these lower guys instead of Bradford or Clausen, but I think youíre going to see these lower guys being solid #2 QBs and spot starters in the NFL. It may not seem glamorous, but how many quarterbacks make it through the year completely healthy; having that solid #2 QB can be so important.

RB

1. CJ Spiller :: Clemson
2. Ryan Mathews* :: Fresno State
3. Ben Tate :: Auburn
4. Jahvid Best* :: California
5. Toby Gerhart :: Stanford
6. Montario Hardesty :: Tennessee
7. Dexter McCluster :: Ole Miss
8. Jonathan Dwyer* :: Georgia Tech
9. James Starks :: Buffalo
10. Joe McKnight* :: USC
11. Anthony Dixon :: Mississippi State
12. LeGarrette Blount :: Oregon
13. Joique Bell :: Wayne State
14. Stafon Johnson :: USC
15. Lonyae Miller :: Fresno State
16. Chris Brown :: Oklahoma
17. Deji Karim :: Southern Illinois
18. Javarris James :: Miami (FL)
19. Charles Scott :: Louisiana State
20. Andre Dixon :: UCONN
21. Andre Anderson :: Tulane
22. Shawnbrey McNeal* :: SMU

Underrated Prospect :: Ben Tate/James Starks
Overrated Prospect :: Jonathan Dwyer

Overall impressions :: This is a bunch of guys that I really like, and given the increase in a two back system, I think a number of these guys will be able to come at contribute right away. I would say outside of the top four or five thereís probably not starting caliber guys (and I talking through the duration of an entire season, not an injury replacement), but these guys will be able to fill the niche of whatever a team is lacking in their backfield. I mention James Starks as an underrated prospect and I know there are the injury question marks with him, but before that he was easily one of the top five guys in this draft class at running back, and of the guys outside the top five I think he has the greatest potential to be a starting back in the league.

WR

1. Dez Bryant* :: Oklahoma State
2. Golden Tate* :: Notre Dame
3. Arrelious Benn* :: Illinois
4. Demaryius Thomas* :: Georgia Tech
5. Damian Williams* :: USC
6. Brandon LaFell :: Louisiana State
7. Mardy Gilyard :: Cincinnati
8. Eric Decker :: Minnesota
9. Taylor Price :: Ohio
10. Andre Roberts :: Citadel
11. Carlton Mitchell* :: South Florida
12. Seyi Ajirotutu :: Fresno State
13. Riley Cooper :: Florida
14. Antonio Brown* :: Central Michigan
15. Jeremy Williams :: Tulane
16. Jacoby Ford :: Clemson
17. Mike Williams* :: Syracuse
18. Jordan Shipley :: Texas
19. Dezmon Briscoe* :: Kansas
20. Emmanuel Sanders :: Southern Methodist
21. Alric Arnett :: West Virginia
22. Danario Alexander :: Missouri
23. Joe Webb :: Alabama-Birmingham
24. Blair White :: Michigan State
25. David Gettis :: Baylor
26. Freddie Barnes :: Bowling Green

Underrated Prospect :: Seyi Ajirotutu
Overrated Prospect :: Dezmon Briscoe

Overall impressions :: If youíre a team looking for a receiver, whether itís a speed guy or a big redzone target, this is probably the year to go and get what you need. Dez Bryant is a special player, and the talk of him sliding due to these characters concerns is somewhat laughable. The guy is a game changer and whichever sets aside the character concerns and drafts him will be happy they did so. After Bryant thereís a bit of a drop-off, but I think there are five guys after him who have the ability to be a very good #2 WR, and some even have the potential to be a #1. After those guys you have probably a dozen or so who can be important options in a teamís passing attack, whether itíll be the slot guy who moves the chains, the vertical threat who can stretch the field or the big guy who will win you some jump balls down in the redzone. I think each guy I have listed will be able to make a contribution at some point, assuming they avoid injuries, and Iím sure thereís guy who I donít even have listed who will contribute as well.

TE

1. Jermaine Gresham :: Oklahoma
2. Rob Gronkowski* :: Arizona
3. Aaron Hernandez* :: Florida
4. Garrett Graham :: Wisconsin
5. Jimmy Graham :: Maimi(FL)
6. Dennis Pitta :: BYU
7. Ed Dickson :: Oregon
8. Anthony McCoy :: USC
9. Colin Peek :: Alabama
10. Dorin Dickerson :: Pittsburgh
11. Tony Moeaki :: Iowa
12. Andrew Quarless :: Penn State
13. Nathan Overbay :: Eastern Washington
14. Michael Hoomanawanui :: Illinois
15. Nate Byham :: Pittsburgh

Underrated Prospect :: Garrett Graham
Overrated Prospect :: Anthony McCoy

Overall impressions :: It seems that we havenít had much talent at this position in recent memory, and I think this class, much like every other position, has quite a bit of pro talent and potential in it. The biggest question mark with this group is health though because you look at the top two guys, especially Gresham, and you want to believe that theyíll be durable but there are those question marks. This class doesnít have many big time blocking tight ends but given the transformation of the game and the passing attack, the ability of these guys to catch the football with regularity is huge. Jimmy Graham seems to be the big wildcard in this bunch because he has the size, hands, and ability to stretch the field to possibly be a #1 option at tight end, but heís still in the process of transitioning to football and his ceiling is a little unknown.

OT

1. Russell Okung :: Oklahoma State
2. Bryan Bulaga* :: Iowa
3. Trent Williams :: Oklahoma
4. Anthony Davis* :: Rutgers
5. Charles Brown :: USC
6. Bruce Campbell* :: Maryland
7. Jared Veldheer :: Hillsdale
8. Jason Fox :: Miami(FL)
9. Tony Washington :: Abilene Christian
10. Selvish Capers :: West Virginia
11. Kyle Calloway :: Iowa
12. Thomas Welch :: Vanderbilt
13. Derek Hardman :: Eastern Kentucky
14. Ed Wang :: Virginia Tech
15. Kevin Haslam :: Rutgers
16. Chris Marinelli :: Stanford
17. Dennis Loadolt :: Penn State
18. Will Barker :: Virginia
19. Sam Young :: Notre Dame
20. Adam Ulatoski :: Texas

Underrated Prospect :: Derek Hardman
Overrated Prospect :: Bruce Campbell

Overall impressions :: Before diving into the entire group I would to address Bruce Campbell. He has all the physical tools that anyone could ever want or imagine, but his days at Maryland were not numbered with domination and superiority, but rather they were numbered with mediocrity. He has the biggest range from floor to ceiling of maybe any prospect in this draft, and that ceiling will probably be too tempting for some team not to take any early chance on but be prepared for him to bust then too. As a whole this group is strong at the top and if I have a top ten and need a tackle then Iíd gladly take Okung, Bulaga, Williams or Davis. After that I think youíre looking at guys, who have the potential to be starting caliber players in the league, but theyíre far from finished products and they shouldnít be expected to step in and contribute right away. Derek Hardman is one of my favorites and Iím a little surprised to see a lack of late round hype behind him, but weíll how NFL teams view him come late April.

Interior OL

1. Maurkice Pouncey* :: Florida
2. Mike Iupati :: Idaho
3. Rodger Saffold :: Indiana
4. Jon Asamoah :: Illinois
5. Mike Johnson :: Alabama
6. Vladimir Ducasse :: UMASS
7. John Jerry :: Mississippi
8. Matt Tennant :: Boston College
9. Zane Beadles :: Utah
10. Mitch Petrus :: Arkansas
11. Shawn Lauvao :: Arizona State
12. Ciron Black :: Louisiana State
13. Marshall Newhouse :: TCU
14. J.D. Walton :: Baylor
15. Brandon Carter :: Texas Tech
16. Shelley Smith :: Colorado State
17. Ted Larsen :: NC State
18. Eric Olsen :: Notre Dame
19. Sergio Render :: Virginia Tech
20. John Estes :: Hawaii
21. Jeff Byers :: USC

Underrated Prospect :: Shawn Lauvao
Overrated Prospect :: Sergio Render

Overall impressions :: It may sound like a broken record but the depth of the interior lineman is something to be excited about if you have a need there. Iíd say the top 15 have starters potential, and that means that nearly half the teams could find themselves a starter along their line and thereís potential below those top 15 in which the guys can provide quality depth at the very least. A number of these guys have tackle experience at their resume, and there may be an adjustment period when some of them move inside to guard, but thereís no doubt in my mind that their best fit is inside and experimenting outside would probably be wasted time or not putting these players in a position to maximize their abilities. The days of Sergio Render having much of any pro potential is long behind him, and itís amazing how his stock has dropped through the years.

DE

1. Derrick Morgan* :: Georgia Tech
2. Jason Pierre-Paul* :: South Florida
3. Carlos Dunlap* :: Florida
4. Everson Griffen* :: USC
5. Alex Carrington :: Arkansas State
6. Corey Wootton :: Northwestern
7. Austen Lane :: Murray State
8. Jermaine Cunningham :: Florida
9. CJ Wilson :: East Carolina
10. Daniel Teío-Nesheim :: Washington
11. Brandon Lang :: Troy
12. Greg Hardy :: Mississippi
13. George Selvie :: South Florida
14. Hall Davis :: Louisiana-Lafayette
15. Lindsey Witten :: UCONN
16. Kevin Basped* :: Nevada
17. Rahim Alem :: Louisiana State
18. Willie Young :: NC State
19. Clifton Geathers :: South Carolina
20. Greg Middleton :: Indiana

Underrated Prospect :: Daniel Teío-Nesheim
Overrated Prospect :: Everson Griffen

Overall impressions :: The top of this group is rated a lot more on potential than being a proven product. Derrick Morgan is a solid player and he has reached his maxed potential but his ceiling is not as high as Pierre-Paul or Dunlap, and one of the reasons why I place Morgan at the top is because of his higher floor. Greg Hardy started the year as the guy to beat but due to injuries he has fallen far and it may continue because he has stated how heíd like to be an outside backer instead of an end. Outside of the top five I donít see a ton of potential with this group and at best theyíll be solid but not great as a whole. The smaller school guys have worked their way up in the rankings, and I feel it went this way because I believe those guys have more upside outside of the top five than anyone else. Many of the other positions are considered deep and itís a good year to address those positions, but defensive end isnít anything special.

DT

1. Ndamukong Suh :: Nebraska
2. Gerald McCoy* :: Oklahoma
3. Lamarr Houston :: Texas
4. Brian Price* :: UCLA
5. Jared Odrick :: Penn State
6. Torell Troup :: Central Florida
7. Dan Williams :: Tennessee
8. Arthur Jones :: Syracuse
9. Tyson Alualu :: California
10. Linval Joseph :: East Carolina
11. DíAnthony Smith :: Louisiana Tech
12. Geno Atkins :: Georgia
13. Mike Neal :: Purdue
14. Cam Thomas :: North Carolina
15. Terrence Cody :: Alabama
16. Corey Peters :: Kentcuky
17. Al Woods :: Louisiana State
18. Earl Mitchell :: Arizona
19. Vince Oghobaase :: Duke
20. Jeff Owens :: Georgia
21. Malcolm Sheppard :: Arkansas
22. Lorenzo Washington :: Alabama
23. Nate Collins :: Virginia
24. Jay Ross :: East Carolina
25. Brandon Deaderick :: Alabama
26. Andre Neblett :: Temple
27. Boo Robinson :: Wake Forest

Underrated Prospect :: Lamarr Houston
Overrated Prospect :: Cam Thomas/Terrence Cody

Overall impressions :: This group of defensive tackles may be my favorite position of the draft. The depth is impressive; whether youíre looking for a 3-technique, NT or even a 3-4 end, this class can fill those needs. I think this depth also allows a team like the Rams to entertain the idea of taking the top quarterback in the draft and then selecting the best tackle available at the top of round two, if thatís the direction they decide to go in. Iím hearing speculation that some of these guys like Houston and Peters can play end in a 3-4 effectively, and while that may be the case; I donít think a team would be maximizing the playerís potential by placing him there. Players like Jared Odrick and DíAnthony Smith seem like better fits at end than at the 3-technique. Thereís certainly differing views when it comes to playersí fits in different schemes and itíll be interesting to see what executives feel is the best fit for some of these guys.

OLB

1. Brandon Graham :: Michigan
2. Sean Weatherspoon :: Missouri
3. Daryl Washington :: TCU
4. Sergio Kindle :: Texas
5. Jerry Hughes :: TCU
6. Eric Norwood :: South Carolina
7. Jason Worilds* :: Virginia Tech
8. Koa Misi :: Utah
9. Ricky Sapp :: Clemson
10. Thaddeus Gibson* :: Ohio State
11. AJ Edds :: Iowa
12. Novarro Bowman :: Penn State
13. Arthur Moats :: James Madison
14. OíBrien Schofield :: Wisconsin
15. Stevenson Sylvester :: Utah
16. Dekoda Watson :: Florida State
17. Rennie Curran* :: Georgia
18. Perry Riley :: Louisiana State
19. Roddrick Muckelroy :: Texas
20. Cameron Sheffield :: Troy
21. Keaton Kristick :: Oregon State

Underrated Prospect :: AJ Edds
Overrated Prospect :: Ricky Sapp/Sergio Kindle

Overall impressions :: This is a decent year for those 3-4 defenses to look and add an outside backer, but outside of that Iím not overly impressed by the class. I only see about four or five players (Weatherspoon, Washington, Kindle, Edds, and Bowman) who project to starters in a 4-3 scheme. I see a handful of special teamers in this group, and while that is still an important aspect of an NFL roster, it means that plenty of these guys will be waiting some time before they hear their names called. Remember all the pre-season hype about Justin Cole? Yeah, heís not quite the player that some were hoping for.

ILB

1. Rolando McClain* :: Alabama
2. Donald Butler :: Washington
3. Sean Lee :: Penn State
4. Brandon Spikes :: Florida
5. Pat Angerer :: Iowa
6. Jamar Chaney :: Mississippi State
7. Kion Wilson :: South Florida
8. Phillip Dillard :: Nebraska
9. Darryl Sharpton :: Miami(FL)
10. Micah Johnson :: Kentucky
11. Joe Pawelek :: Baylor

Underrated Prospect :: Pat Angerer/Kion Wilson
Overrated Prospect :: Brandon Spikes

Overall impressions :: I like this group quite a bit and see a good share of these guys making solid impacts at the next level. I donít know if any player has raised his stock as much as Donald Butler has, and I am one who is buying into the hype. Sean Lee hasnít returned 100% to the play that he showed on the field prior to his injury, but physically I think heís back to where he needs to be and the play on the field will catch up. I mentioned Brandon Spikes as my overrated player even though I still have him as my #4 inside backer, and I do think heíll still be a nice player but heís definitely nowhere near that first round, even top 15, player that he was projected to be as recent as Christmas time. Kion Wilson is a player that excites me and he often gets forgotten with the studs along the Bullsí defensive line, but heís a player that will make a positive impact, possibly in a starterís role.

CB

1. Joe Haden* :: Florida
2. Kareem Jackson* :: Alabama
3. Kyle Wilson :: Boise State
4. Chris Cook :: Virginia
5. Alterraun Verner :: UCLA
6. Patrick Robinson :: Florida State
7. Devin McCourty :: Rutgers
8. Dominique Franks :: Oklahoma
9. Perrish Cox :: Oklahoma State
10. Amari Spievey* :: Iowa
11. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah :: Indiana(PA)
12. Brandon Ghee :: Wake Forest
13. Jerome Murphy :: South Florida
14. Donovan Warren* :: Michigan
15. SydíQuan Thompson :: California
16. Trevard Lindley :: Kentucky
17. Kevin Thomas :: USC
18. AJ Jefferson :: Fresno State
19. Brian Jackson :: Oklahoma
20. Javier Arenas :: Alabama

Underrated Prospect :: Alterraun Verner
Overrated Prospect :: Patrick Robinson

Overall impressions :: Let me just start by saying that I am glad the Packers have a need at cornerback this off-season because the depth of this corner class is scary good. I have my top 20 guys ranked and I think thereís between five or ten more that deserve to be drafted. Joe Haden hasnít kept himself separated from the rest of the field as he had when the off-season started but he does remain number one and guys like Kareem Jackson, Kyle Wilson and Devin McCourty have also contributed to the lessening of the gap thanks to strong off-seasons by them. Jerome Murphy is someone who gets a ton of hype because of his physical skills, but if you watched any South Florida football this year, youíd see that he still has quite a distance to go before he can be a solid player. One more thing, Chris Cook, much like Donald Butler, has helped himself a great deal the past few months and I like to compare him to Sean Smith from Utah from last yearís draft.

S

1. Eric Berry* :: Tennessee
2. Earl Thomas* :: Texas
3. Chad Jones* :: LSU
4. Taylor Mays :: USC
5. Nate Allen :: South Florida
6. Kendrick Lewis :: Mississippi
7. Morgan Burnett* :: Georgia Tech
8. Reshad Jones* :: Georgia
9. Larry Asante :: Nebraska
10. Darrell Stuckey :: Kansas
11. Major Wright* :: Florida
12. Robert Johnson :: Utah
13. Myron Rolle :: Florida State
14. Harry Coleman :: LSU
15. Myron Lewis :: Vanderbilt
16. TJ Ward :: Oregon
17. Barry Church :: Toledo
18. Kurt Coleman :: Ohio State
19. Kam Chancellor :: Virginia Tech
20. Terrell Skinner :: Maryland
21. Michael Greco :: Central Florida

Underrated Prospect :: Kendrick Lewis
Overrated Prospect :: Major Wright

Overall impressions :: Another good year for the Packers to address one of their needs because this safety class has some serious talent. I think nearly everyone I have on this list could be starters at some point in their careers. There are some players like Major Wright and Reshad Jones who I donít find to be these outstanding talents like some feel, but I do recognize that they have the abilities and potential to be solid players. The player Iím most interested to see is Myron Rolle because we all know the story with him, but will he be able to get back on the football field and live up to all the hype he had coming out of high school and his days at Florida State.

Top 50

1. Ndamukong Suh :: Nebraska
-Easily the top defensive player and a defensive anchor for years
2. Sam Bradford :: Oklahoma
-Franchise caliber QB but the shoulder will be biggest hurdle
3. Eric Berry :: Tennessee
-As much of a force in the secondary as Suh is along the defensive line, stud
4. Dez Bryant :: Oklahoma State
-Character concerns are overblown, Andre Johnson potential
5. Gerald McCoy :: Oklahoma
-Maybe a tad overrated but still a force as a 3-technique
6. Russell Okung :: Oklahoma State
-Best protector of the blind side but not by much
7. Bryan Bulaga :: Iowa
-Highest potential of any tackle and hopefully health stays in check
8. CJ Spiller :: Clemson
-Best offensive playmaker, not quite on the level of Chris Johnson but close
9. Brandon Graham :: Michigan
-Best pass rusher in the draft, no size concerns for me
10. Rolando McClain :: Alabama
-Hasn't had the best off-season but is the best true linebacker and anchor in the middle
11. Trent Williams :: Oklahoma
-Athleticism gives him potential at left tackle, otherwise a Pro Bowl caliber right tackle
12. Earl Thomas :: Texas
-Tough to compare him to Eric Berry but any other year he's probably the best option at safety
13. Maurkice Pouncey :: Florida
-He's going to be a big time player in the middle of the line from day one and the closest thing to a guarantee in the draft
14. Anthony Davis :: Rutgers
-Much like McClain, hasn't had a great off-season, but tape shows he is a wonderful player
15. Mike Iupati :: Idaho
-Still a bit raw but has the size and ability to be a great LG
16. Derrick Morgan :: Georgia Tech
-Doesn't have the ceiling that some ends in this draft have but doesn't have the low floor that some of them have either; consistent
17. Jimmy Clausen :: Notre Dame
-Has franchise QB potential but attitude worries me a bit
18. Sean Weatherspoon :: Missouri
-For all he's done, still flies under the radar but he's gonna be a good one
19. Joe Haden :: Florida
-Speed is a bit of a concern but still the best corner in the draft
20. Ryan Mathews :: Fresno State
-A tough, do everything type back
21. Jason Pierre-Paul :: South Florida
22. Jermaine Gresham :: Oklahoma
23. Kareem Jackson :: Alabama
24. Kyle Wilson :: Boise State
25. Rodger Saffold :: Indiana
26. Lamarr Houston :: Texas
27. Brian Price :: UCLA
28. Golden Tate :: Notre Dame
29. Donald Butler :: Washington
30. Jared Odrick :: Penn State
31. Chad Jones :: Louisiana State
32. Taylor Mays :: USC
33. Charles Brown :: USC
34. Carlos Dunlap :: Florida
35. Arrelious Benn :: Illinois
36. Ben Tate :: Auburn
37. Nate Allen :: South Florida
38. Torell Troup :: Central Florida
39. Daryl Washington :: TCU
40. Jahvid Best :: California
41. Jon Asamoah :: Illinois
42. Dan Williams :: Tennessee
43. Sergio Kindle :: Texas
44. Jerry Hughes :: TCU
45. Demaryius Thomas :: Goergia Tech
46. Sean Lee :: Penn State
47. Everson Griffen :: USC
48. Chris Cook :: Virginia
49. Damian Williams :: USC
50. Alex Carrington :: Arkansas State

Don Vito
04-12-2010, 12:27 PM
Nice work as usual. I always look for the Ole Miss guys, liking the Kendrick Lewis love but no Shay Hodge or Marshay Green makes me sad.

eaglesalltheway
04-12-2010, 12:59 PM
Nice stuff, a few things I disagree on, but overall, a very solid evaluation IMO. I personally think Colt McCoy is going to be a very good QB, and like Gerald McCoy more than you seem to. Also, I noticed you have Brandon Graham at OLB and not DE, do you see his better fit at 3-4 OLB, and not DE in the 4-3? I think he can be a great player at eaither, but I think his best fit is actually as a DE.

princefielder28
04-12-2010, 01:04 PM
Nice stuff, a few things I disagree on, but overall, a very solid evaluation IMO. I personally think Colt McCoy is going to be a very good QB, and like Gerald McCoy more than you seem to. Also, I noticed you have Brandon Graham at OLB and not DE, do you see his better fit at 3-4 OLB, and not DE in the 4-3? I think he can be a great player at eaither, but I think his best fit is actually as a DE.

I think Graham will fit at either DE or OLB, but the reason I have him listed at OLB is because I feel the team that'll take him will be 3-4 and he'll end up playing that OLB role in the defense. He'd also be listed as my #1 DE if that matters at all.

Giantsfan1080
04-12-2010, 01:06 PM
100% agree on Ajirotutu. I think he's flying under the radar big time so a team might get a steal on him.

I'm also suprised you have McCourty at #7. I haven't seen him ranked out of the Top 4 CB's in a long time now.

Giantsfan1080
04-12-2010, 01:08 PM
Double Post. Not sure what happened.

CashmoneyDrew
04-12-2010, 01:12 PM
No Chris Scott in your OL rankings? He's gonna make some team very happy at RT or OG.

princefielder28
04-12-2010, 01:20 PM
No Chris Scott in your OL rankings? He's gonna make some team very happy at RT or OG.

He'd probably be sitting as my #22 interior OL...I'm not overly impressed with him and think he's only a backup option at guard or right tackle.

I'm surprised that you didn't bring up my ranking of Dan Williams; figured you'd have more problems with that.

CashmoneyDrew
04-12-2010, 01:42 PM
Eh, I know Dan Williams is fine come next Thursday. I'm sticking up for the boys that need to be represented better.

Now for Rico McCoy............ :)

eaglesalltheway
04-12-2010, 05:52 PM
I think Graham will fit at either DE or OLB, but the reason I have him listed at OLB is because I feel the team that'll take him will be 3-4 and he'll end up playing that OLB role in the defense. He'd also be listed as my #1 DE if that matters at all.

I figured, since he's higher on your overall rankings than any of the pass rushers, but I was just interested in your reasoning, because I know you never do anything without the research and actual basis of reasoning behind it.

prock
04-12-2010, 05:58 PM
Dan Williams at number 7?

princefielder28
04-12-2010, 10:25 PM
Dan Williams at number 7?

Dan Williams is a solid player, not spectacular, and I don't view it as too much of an insult because the guys I have rated ahead of him are players worth talking about too.

thetedginnshow
04-12-2010, 11:05 PM
Hooray! Verner love!

Texas Homer
04-12-2010, 11:54 PM
I like CB Kareem Jackson and DB Chad Jones a lot too.

I think Colt McCoy should be around 3 or 4 at QB.

I think Dixon should be a little higher on the RB list.

I think both Jordan Shipley and Emmanuel Sanders should be higher on the WR list.

I think DT Dan Williams and OLB Sergio Kindle should be a little higher as well.

Nice list. I agree with a lot of it.

Rosebud
04-13-2010, 03:15 AM
You seem to be the only person who still thinks as highly of price as me, nice to know I haven't smoked away all of my braincells doing this film school thing.

Also gotta give you some rep for the James Starks love, if a team feels comfortable with his health, which we can't possibly know not having the expertise or access to records necessary to actually make that call, I see no reason he can't be a starter in a 2 back system. He has quick feet and gets up to speed well for a guy with his size, he runs hard and plays his heart out every time out.

I don't agree with you on Dan Williams and don't think Angerer is in any way a better LB prospect than Jamar Chaney. But overall most of our other discrepancies I can understand.

Still haven't been sold on Kareem Jackson, haven't seen enough of him I guess, but is he really more impressive than Kyle Wilson, who IMO is the clear cut number 2 corner and closest to pushing Haden?

Oh yeah...Chad Jones over Taylor Mays?...anyways good job, man dig the effort.

vidae
04-13-2010, 03:36 AM
I'm surprised that you didn't bring up my ranking of Dan Williams; figured you'd have more problems with that.

I was going to bring this up. You think Dan Williams is the 7th best defensive tackle? That's the only thing that really stood out to me.

Great job as always. I always eagerly await this from you. :)

edit: Just read your reply to Prock. Gotcha!

WMD
04-13-2010, 03:42 AM
PF WHERE ARE THE FULLBACK RANKINGS??

John Conner all the way.

princefielder28
04-13-2010, 08:28 AM
You seem to be the only person who still thinks as highly of price as me, nice to know I haven't smoked away all of my braincells doing this film school thing.

Also gotta give you some rep for the James Starks love, if a team feels comfortable with his health, which we can't possibly know not having the expertise or access to records necessary to actually make that call, I see no reason he can't be a starter in a 2 back system. He has quick feet and gets up to speed well for a guy with his size, he runs hard and plays his heart out every time out.

I don't agree with you on Dan Williams and don't think Angerer is in any way a better LB prospect than Jamar Chaney. But overall most of our other discrepancies I can understand.

Still haven't been sold on Kareem Jackson, haven't seen enough of him I guess, but is he really more impressive than Kyle Wilson, who IMO is the clear cut number 2 corner and closest to pushing Haden?

Oh yeah...Chad Jones over Taylor Mays?...anyways good job, man dig the effort.

Thanks for the response, really appreciate anyone who takes the time to respond to my work.

Let me start with Pat Angerer vs Jamar Chaney. I'm a big fan of Angerer, maybe a Big Ten bias might be involved here, but I think he's going to be a real nice player inside for a 3-4 team as he's pretty stout, physical, and quick. Jamar Chaney, although I have him behind Angerer and as my #6 ILB, is another solid prospect and I actually like him too, and I do recognize that he's schematically more versatile than Angerer, but I think the positioning on rankings is more a feeling when I watch them play more than anything.

Now let's look at Kyle Wilson vs Kareem Jackson. Kyle Wilson's sock has really risen throughout this off-season and it is warranted because he's a wonderful cornerback prospect, but the reason why I have Jackson ahead of Wilson is because I don't see Wilson having the potential as a team's #1 CB, but I do with Jackson. Jackson is stronger in coverage, a place where I think Wilson still needs a bit of work, and I'm a big fan of Jackson playing under Nick Saban and that'll help as he transitions to the NFL.

Taylor Mays is a rare physical specimen, and he has all the tools in the world to work with, but this off-season and even his time at USC shows that he will need some special coaches to get anywhere close to his potential. Between Taylor Mays and Bruce Campbell, they're battling for the look like Tarzan play like Jane label in this draft. Chad Jones is one of the more impressive physical specimens in this draft as well, not to the caliber of Taylor Mays, but Jones also has shown more of a playmaking ability while he was at Louisiana State. Both players are going to take a ton of work with unlimited upside, and the deciding factor was that I've seen more ability out of Jones in college, but both carry big question marks.

Rosebud
04-13-2010, 07:54 PM
Thanks for the response, really appreciate anyone who takes the time to respond to my work.

Let me start with Pat Angerer vs Jamar Chaney. I'm a big fan of Angerer, maybe a Big Ten bias might be involved here, but I think he's going to be a real nice player inside for a 3-4 team as he's pretty stout, physical, and quick. Jamar Chaney, although I have him behind Angerer and as my #6 ILB, is another solid prospect and I actually like him too, and I do recognize that he's schematically more versatile than Angerer, but I think the positioning on rankings is more a feeling when I watch them play more than anything.

Now let's look at Kyle Wilson vs Kareem Jackson. Kyle Wilson's sock has really risen throughout this off-season and it is warranted because he's a wonderful cornerback prospect, but the reason why I have Jackson ahead of Wilson is because I don't see Wilson having the potential as a team's #1 CB, but I do with Jackson. Jackson is stronger in coverage, a place where I think Wilson still needs a bit of work, and I'm a big fan of Jackson playing under Nick Saban and that'll help as he transitions to the NFL.

Taylor Mays is a rare physical specimen, and he has all the tools in the world to work with, but this off-season and even his time at USC shows that he will need some special coaches to get anywhere close to his potential. Between Taylor Mays and Bruce Campbell, they're battling for the look like Tarzan play like Jane label in this draft. Chad Jones is one of the more impressive physical specimens in this draft as well, not to the caliber of Taylor Mays, but Jones also has shown more of a playmaking ability while he was at Louisiana State. Both players are going to take a ton of work with unlimited upside, and the deciding factor was that I've seen more ability out of Jones in college, but both carry big question marks.

I just don't see Angerer as much better than Chaney even in a 3-4, he's more of a thumper but that's because Chaney's more versatile than just being a thumper, he can come forward very successfully as well. Adding to that the versatility to play in a 4-3 and even play outside in a 4-3 just further widens that gab for me.

I think you're over-rating Chad's play at LSU, he was a decent safety but not really a playmaker even though he played a role that lended itself to that much better than did Mays. That's why Mays' play is more impressive to me, both need a lot of work as you say but Mays can at least already shut down the deep zone even if he can't cover a guy man to man and isn't a playmaker, Chad Jones can't cover anyone in man to man either and isn't much of a playmaker and doesn't even have that deep zone coverage that mays does.

I'm gonna have to watch more Kareem Jackson before I'm sure how I feel about him, but Kyle Wilson has number one potential, he's not a shut down corner but he'll play the run and plays the ball really well, I almost see a young Asante Samuel in the kid. Plus he's a good kid who'll work hard to improve and become smarter and gamble less in coverage.