Ted Ginn traded to the 49ers

[TACKLE]

http://myloc.me/show.php?id=64NgJ

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5099673

Ted Ginn was traded to San Francisco for a late round pick. More details to come as they become available.

[vikes_28]

http://myloc.me/show.php?id=64NgJ

Ted Ginn was traded to San Francisco for a late round pick. More details to come as they become available.

Is anyone surprised?

[A Perfect Score]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Ted Ginn got the same compensation as Santonio Holmes? That would make me laugh.

[K Train]

crabtree, morgan,, davis, ginn....thats a nice little group in a year or 2

[vidae]

Was actually kind of hoping the Chiefs moved one of their 5ths for him haha. Would have loved him for KR/PR duties and maybe some 3rd/4th receiver stuff.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

crabtree, morgan,, davis, ginn....thats a nice little group in a year or 2

Yeah and if Smith continues to do well, that's a pretty damn good offense. Imagine if they use 1 of their 2 first round picks on CJ Spiller.. That means Gore and Spiller to the list of those guys. Not bad at all!

[senormysterioso]

I'd assume he's going to be primarily a returner but maybe the decreased expectations will do wonders for him and he ends up being a star...stranger things have happened

[diesel]

Don't they have a horrible o-line?

[regoob2]

Great trade for SF. He's gonna come in and be there #4 option after Gore, Crabtree and Davis.

[Caddy]

He's going to be just as bad in San Fran as he was in Miami.

[ViperVisor]

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[Addict]

Yeah and if Smith continues to do well, that's a pretty damn good offense. Imagine if they use 1 of their 2 first round picks on CJ Spiller.. That means Gore and Spiller to the list of those guys. Not bad at all!

they got two first round picks, so they could get an extra lineman and CJ Spiller... pretty good offense to just grow out of nowhere.

[thebow305]

Damn, wasn't I owed a LITTLE respect to report this first!? As I'm the one who "famously" predicted Ted Ginn to be drafted by the Dolphins back in 07. :)

Oh well. As disappointing as he was, I really would've rather held on to him than trade him for a "late round" pick. He was more valuable than that at least as a returner IMO. Sad day for me. :(

[ViperVisor]

25 yds per kick return
25 yds of receiving a game

That's what he did last year and I take that.

Has upside to do more.

[king2am]

Very excited as a Niner fan. Our return game was horrendous, and for a late rounder this is great value.

[General Zod]

He got traded for a 5th round pick.

[thebow305]

Well, at least I can report the compensation.

ESPN is reporting that it is indeed a 5th round pick.

[Marino13]

espn said it was a 5th round pick

[Dam8610]

What type of "late round" pick? I'd guess a 5-7, anyone have any details?

[gsorace]

Well, at least I can report the compensation.

You lose again.

[LonghornsLegend]

A 5th round pick is a very good deal for SF. He's an elite return man so that's very good value, and he can stretch things over top for Crabtree. If I'm Miami I would of rather kept him for that one more season, but he's worn out his welcome.


Funny to thing Ginn is worth the same as Holmes lol.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Great trade for SF. He's gonna come in and be there #4 option after Gore, Crabtree and Davis.

Also, the pressure is off now. The pressure now is Crabtree, and Ginn now is just a guy who can step in there and try to salvage his career. He doesn't have to worry about being the man in SF. They have high picks in Crabtree and Davis, and hopefully now Ginn can develop and try to be productive without having to have the burden to be the man.

[Da-Phins]

What a wasted draft pick he turned out to be. F U Cam Cameron.

And thank you 49ers for taking him off our hands. He will make plays for you as a returner, but I wouldnt count on him too much as a WR. He cant catch a damn thing and he will play scared.

[K Train]

Funny to thing Ginn is worth the same as Holmes lol.

:mad: not funny

[killxswitch]

Lol at the above posts at 1:32 PM EST.

"5th rounder"
"Well at least I can be the first to report it was a 5th rounder"
"espn says it's a 5th rounder"
"hay guys I think it might be a 5-7th rounder, anyone know yet?"

[Grizzlegom]

is it weird that I feel a little sadness about this? As much as i absolutely hated the pick at the time, he had grown on me some...I was hoping we'd ride him out one more year but I am happy with the compensation...we got more than the Steelers got for Holmes

[GB12]

What type of "late round" pick? I'd guess a 5-7, anyone have any details?
Well that's kind of what a late round pick is so that's a good guess.

[Marino13]

A 5th round pick is a very good deal for SF. He's an elite return man so that's very good value, and he can stretch things over top for Crabtree. If I'm Miami I would of rather kept him for that one more season, but he's worn out his welcome.


Funny to thing Ginn is worth the same as Holmes lol.

Ginn really regressed last year, and really lost all of his confidence as a WR. He had a bad case of alligator arms, and was scared to death of contact (he NEVER fought for the extra yards, and would fall over as soon as he caught the ball). Even with his return ability, he was inconsistent. He had that 2 TD game against the Jets, but then in another game he'd struggle to get to the 20 yard line.

I wish Teddy luck in SanFran, but this was a move that had to be made even if we didn't get Marshall. Teddy is so talented, but did absolutely nothing extra on the field while guys like Bess, Hartline, and Camarillo did everything humanly possible to get extra yards. Plus, we've been interviewing and working out A LOT of WRs who are seen as return men in the NFL so I kind of knew this was coming.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

What a wasted draft pick he turned out to be. F U Cam Cameron.

And thank you 49ers for taking him off our hands. He will make plays for you as a returner, but I wouldnt count on him too much as a WR. He cant catch a damn thing and he will play scared.

Problem was Ginn came out at a time when the football world was watching the success of D. Hester. So I guess they figured they could get a better WR prospect, with similar special teams potential all in one person. Problem was they could have drafted Quinn, who fans now expected, since he dropped, and during his draft day podium conf. he told angry fans, that Ginn can help out on special teams, which made them even more. You don't say that to the fans, because you don't draft someone that high for only special teams, but I guess he was so nervous he used that to justify the pick, which made the fans boo him off the stage.

But I think Hester's success played a part in drafting Ginn. I can see why they drafted him, thinking they can get a better WR prospect and similar homerun special teams ability. Problem was someone else on the board was better, and the justification for the pick was idiotic.

[diesel]

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Jets win.

[LonghornsLegend]

How many years are left on Ginn's rookie deal? I also wonder if this stops SF from taking CJ Spiller at #13 if he's there.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

How many years are left on Ginn's rookie deal? I also wonder if this stops SF from taking CJ Spiller at #13 if he's there.

If I am SF, I'd still draft Spiller. That makes that offense even more scarier. Both can also add value to special teams too. I don't see an issue with Spiller still being drafted there.

[49ersfan_87]

If I am SF, I'd still draft Spiller. That makes that offense even more scarier. Both can also add value to special teams too. I don't see an issue with Spiller still being drafted there.

I don't think the 49ers take Spiller now. They have needs at OT, DB, and OLB (Pass rusher). I think the first rounders will be spent on 2 of those 3 positions. Spiller is too much of a luxury compared to the needs the team has IMO.

[Ness]

Good news. Our return game was AWFUL last season. Hopefully Ginn is a major upgrade to it.

How many years are left on Ginn's rookie deal? I also wonder if this stops SF from taking CJ Spiller at #13 if he's there.

Probably. One would think. But I still wouldn't mind the selection seeing as how we have no one to really take the load off Frank Gore. Glenn Coffee has looked completely dreadful, and I'd be surprised if he gets much better.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I don't think the 49ers take Spiller now. They have needs at OT, DB, and OLB (Pass rusher). Spiller is too much of a luxury compared to the needs the team has IMO.

Everyone has needs, but I'd go best available. You don't pass someone rated higher and draft player B just because he fills a need. I understand the OT need, which they can address with their 2nd first round pick. If spiller is there and if he can add value and make the team better, you take him. That makes the running game that much better, and adds a homerun element to it, while taking the wear and tear away from your number 1 back. I think it only help Smith as well. After all that's the original first round pick, so if you have a chance to add more weapons for him, then it makes his chance of getting better even greater.

[J-Mike88]

I'd assume he's going to be primarily a returner but maybe the decreased expectations will do wonders for him and he ends up being a star...stranger things have happened
Yes they have.
Like former Buckeye WR Cris Carter being released by the Eagles, then turning into a Hall of Famer for the Minnesota Vikings.
Or like former Wolverine WR Desmond Howard being released by the Redskins and then turning into a Super Bowl MVP for the Packers as a return superstar.
Or former Cowboy WR Jimmy Smith being released and turning into a record-setting WR for the Jaguars.

Ted Ginn has elite return ability, as Jets fans will attest to, and he an run right by Revis Island, as Jets fans will attest to.

This is an epic steal for the 49ers. Kudos to them.

[49ersfan_87]

Everyone has needs, but I'd go best available. You don't pass someone rated higher and draft player B just because he fills a need. I understand the OT need, which they can address with their 2nd first round pick. If spiller is there and if he can add value and make the team better, you take him. That makes the running game that much better, and adds a homerun element to it, while taking the wear and tear away from your number 1 back. I think it only help Smith as well. After all that's the original first round pick, so if you have a chance to add more weapons for him, then it makes his chance of getting better even greater.

I agree with BPA. I just think if we have Spiller and a player of a bigger need similarly rated, we'd go with the need.

But who knows. We'll see what happens draft day. I doubt we take him but you never know.

[Crickett]

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Jets win.

This.

As much as Ginn was a disappointment, he did pretty well for himself against the Jets last year and I'm very glad he's out of the division.

[J-Mike88]

How many years are left on Ginn's rookie deal? I also wonder if this stops SF from taking CJ Spiller at #13 if he's there.
I looked the other day, and I believe there are 2 years left on the deal, but 2011 is a voidable year.
This is a great deal for the 49ers. Little risk, possible huge reward.

[Da-Phins]

Problem was Ginn came out at a time when the football world was watching the success of D. Hester. So I guess they figured they could get a better WR prospect, with similar special teams potential all in one person. Problem was they could have drafted Quinn, who fans now expected, since he dropped, and during his draft day podium conf. he told angry fans, that Ginn can help out on special teams, which made them even more. You don't say that to the fans, because you don't draft someone that high for only special teams, but I guess he was so nervous he used that to justify the pick, which made the fans boo him off the stage.

But I think Hester's success played a part in drafting Ginn. I can see why they drafted him, thinking they can get a better WR prospect and similar homerun special teams ability. Problem was someone else on the board was better, and the justification for the pick was idiotic.

Exactly.

Every team wanted a game changer at returner like Hester. I think Cam feel too much in love with the impact Hester made and ignored that Ginn wasnt a top prospect, just a good one with great returner potential.

[WinslowBodden]

Damn, wasn't I owed a LITTLE respect to report this first!? As I'm the one who "famously" predicted Ted Ginn to be drafted by the Dolphins back in 07. :)

Oh well. As disappointing as he was, I really would've rather held on to him than trade him for a "late round" pick. He was more valuable than that at least as a returner IMO. Sad day for me. :(

I remember making fun of you so much saying you're absolutely insane if you think the Dolphins would take Ginn that high, I remember you kept posting in all mock drafts "NAH PHINS ARE GONNA GET GINN WATCH"

I think they should have held onto him as a number 2 receiver behind Marshall he could have blossomed.

[Splat]

Glad he is not a Chief.

That is all.

[DeathbyStat]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Ted Ginn got the same compensation as Santonio Holmes? That would make me laugh.

That would make me vomit

[Splat]

Dolphins get fifth-round pick for Ted Ginn (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/16/dolphins-get-fifth-round-pick-for-ted-ginn/)

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I agree with BPA. I just think if we have Spiller and a player of a bigger need similarly rated, we'd go with the need.

But who knows. We'll see what happens draft day. I doubt we take him but you never know.

Yeah that I agree with. If there is another player, who has the same rating on the board, AND fills a need, then obviously that's the best decision to make then.

[thebow305]

Wouldn't be surprised at all see see the Phins draft C.J. Spiller now that Ginn is gone. Gives the returns a boost again and be the long term answer at Running Back if Brown isn't re-signed after the year or gets hurt again.

[Crickett]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Ted Ginn got the same compensation as Santonio Holmes? That would make me laugh.
That would make me vomit

Dolphins get fifth-round pick for Ted Ginn (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/16/dolphins-get-fifth-round-pick-for-ted-ginn/)


Get the barf bag ready.

[gsorace]

This is an epic steal for the 49ers.

Overstatement of the century.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Weird that the Phins would trade Ginn after signing Marshall. With Ginn going deep and Marshall working underneath, that would have been a nice combo.

Does Miami have another deep threat at WR on the roster???

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Exactly.

Every team wanted a game changer at returner like Hester. I think Cam feel too much in love with the impact Hester made and ignored that Ginn wasnt a top prospect, just a good one with great returner potential.

Well it's not just him too.. You have your GM, director of scouting, and scouts. So not sure how the dynamic was in the war room, and who voted for what player, but clearly the decision was a bad one, especially since Quinn was on the board. I think Randy M. was there with Cam Cameron. But in a way, I can see why he was drafted. The logic in terms of what he COULD have brought to the table was not a faulty one. The problem was someone else filled a need and was better, and then the explaination given to the fans was beyond idiotic which made the situation worse. In my opinion that was the two things which made it worse. Quinn was on the board, who was rated higher, and filled a need, AND that bone headed reason he told the fans on the podium.

[Marino13]

Weird that the Phins would trade Ginn after signing Marshall. With Ginn going deep and Marshall working underneath, that would have been a nice combo.

Does Miami have another deep threat at WR on the roster???

we've been looking at a lot of mid round speedy WR prospects in the draft. Hartline actually didn't do a bad job getting open deep, Henne just overthrew him a couple times.

Both team and player needed a change. Ginn had to go. His regression each year was sad to watch. Fact is, he was barely a weapon for us this year.

[Quagmire]

As a Dolphin fan, I don't like the move. He was the only speed guy on the roster and I think he would have been an excellent deep threat complement to Marshall.. They may not think they need a deep threat, but I think they will really miss that element unless they find someone to replace him...

[V.I.P]

5th round pick for a KR ?? Good Deal

[dolphinfan2k5]

This is so ******* stupid. We finally have an ideal offense that Ginn could play his role in, and then we trade him for a worthless pick. Ginn as a kick returner is worth more than that. This trade is awful.

[draftguru151]

WOOOOOO.

Ted Ginn is ******* worthless, he was an average KR and a horrible PR and a horrible WR. Didn't deserve to be on the roster next year.

[Crickett]

WOOOOOO.

Ted Ginn is ******* worthless, he was an average KR and a horrible PR and a horrible WR. Didn't deserve to be on the roster next year.

I'm glad those two worthless return touchdowns he had on the Jets and that 50+ yard worthless touchdown he had on Darrelle Revis are gone.


I've never been happier to see a division rival dump such a worthless player.

[Grizzlegom]

I'm glad those two worthless return touchdowns he had on the Jets and that 50+ yard worthless touchdown he had on Darrelle Revis are gone.


I've never been happier to see a division rival dump such a worthless player.

You know how good Sanchez played against the Bills last year? Ginn played that bad against any team not named the Jets.

[superfly69]

That entire draft class was a total bust for Miami. I don't think one pick is still with the team.

[draftguru151]

I'm glad those two worthless return touchdowns he had on the Jets and that 50+ yard worthless touchdown he had on Darrelle Revis are gone.


I've never been happier to see a division rival dump such a worthless player.

Cool he made 3 impact plays all season. He can't catch, has no understanding of how to be a WR, is afraid on contact, can't return punts, wasn't that good of a KR besides those 2 returns and is overall not a good player. Ginn regressed so much last season and obviously has no place in Miami. Brandon Marshall being here wasn't going to magically make Ginn good. People didn't double Ted Ginn, Ted Ginn had trouble getting PT in a group of average WRs. Brian Hartline averaged over 4 more YPC than Ted Ginn, had more yards, more touchdowns, longer longest catch. Ginn had 3 games where he had a catch over 20 yards, Hartline had 6. And Hartline was a rookie. Ginn would have been the fifth best WR on the team next season, and that's if Patrick Turner didn't develop at all.

[PACKmanN]

What a steal, the 49ers got the entire Ginn family just for a late round pick.

[Arsenal]

I like the move. Any production as a WR is a bonus as long as he is a solid kick and punt returner. Our return men last year were so bad it was embarrassing and literally cost the team games.

[prock]

Yeah and if Smith continues to do well, that's a pretty damn good offense. Imagine if they use 1 of their 2 first round picks on CJ Spiller.. That means Gore and Spiller to the list of those guys. Not bad at all!

And then you add Alex Smith... oh wait, nevermind

[NY+Giants=NYG]

And then you add Alex Smith... oh wait, nevermind

He has gotten better from before, and maybe if they add all pieces now he can take the next step and get even better. The fact it was musical OCs in the beggining didn't help his development. I never was a fan of Smith coming out, but I don't think he is as bad as people think. If they get a guy like Spiller, plus RT help, I think that offense can do some special things.

[PACKmanN]

He has gotten better from before, and maybe if they add all pieces now he can take the next step and get even better. The fact it was musical OCs in the beggining didn't help his development. I never was a fan of Smith coming out, but I don't think he is as bad as people think. If they get a guy like Spiller, plus RT help, I think that offense can do some special things.

If they can get Williams, Bryant, and Best then I could see that offence doing damage.

[PACKmanN]

He has gotten better from before, and maybe if they add all pieces now he can take the next step and get even better. The fact it was musical OCs in the beggining didn't help his development. I never was a fan of Smith coming out, but I don't think he is as bad as people think. If they get a guy like Spiller, plus RT help, I think that offense can do some special things.

If they can get Williams, Bryant, and Best then I could see that offence doing damage.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

If they can get Williams, Bryant, and Best then I could see that offence doing damage.

Yeah that can work too.. Basically, with 2 first round picks, they put themselves in position to really put their offense in an amazing situation. Be it Williams/Bryant or Spiller/ RT or so.. The mismatches they can create would be pretty sick for them. I really like this move they made. They take a guy with tons of pressure on him due to where he was picked, and change the environment for him, and now he doesn't have to worry about anything. For the 9ers, guys like Crabtree, Davis, and Smith have the pressure on them. Ginn can go in and just try to be productive. He doesn't need to be the man anymore, where all eyes are on him. Crabtree has that label or role now due to where he was picked. I really like this move, and if they play the first round, specifically right, I think that offense can hit a very high level.

[KCJ58]

good trade for the 49ers, if Ginn can be a half descent receiver

[LonghornsLegend]

If they can get Williams, Bryant, and Best then I could see that offence doing damage.

That's a little too much offense. They still need a CB and Safety pretty badly. I also don't think Best would be available in the middle of the 2nd. I also think Dez Bryant would be over doing it offensively. Trent Williams would be a great addition, and unless Spiller is there I'd use the other 1st on Haden, or Thomas/Mays.


I doubt they would really have much of a chance to use Bryant to be honest, their a running team.

[CC.SD]

What a steal, the 49ers got the entire Ginn family just for a late round pick.

hahahaha excellent

[Arsenal]

That's a little too much offense. They still need a CB and Safety pretty badly. I also don't think Best would be available in the middle of the 2nd. I also think Dez Bryant would be over doing it offensively. Trent Williams would be a great addition, and unless Spiller is there I'd use the other 1st on Haden, or Thomas/Mays.


I doubt they would really have much of a chance to use Bryant to be honest, their a running team.

I agree, gut feeling is that our picks will be an OT and one of those three. I wouldn't rule out Brandon Graham, Rolando McClain, or Dan Williams completely if they are there at 17 but I think the organization will have a real hard time passing on those defensive backs.

[thetedginnshow]

Awesome to see him out of the division. Glad he went to the 49ers too since that's my friend's team. Kind of bummed the Dolphins didn't get less, but not like that's a big deal. It would be unfortunate if this turns into the Dolphins drafting a Spiller, Best, or McCluster, however.

[dan77733]

He has gotten better from before, and maybe if they add all pieces now he can take the next step and get even better. The fact it was musical OCs in the beggining didn't help his development. I never was a fan of Smith coming out, but I don't think he is as bad as people think. If they get a guy like Spiller, plus RT help, I think that offense can do some special things.

YES!!! Finally, someone who thinks the 49ers should go offense in the first round and thinks that both Spiller and a starting RT would make our offense better. So many 49er fans want Haden, Graham or a defensive player. The only defensive player I would draft at 13/17 would be FS Earl Thomas and thats only if Spiller, Bryant, Iupati and the top three OT's are gone.

[Finz99]

WOOOOOO.

Ted Ginn is ******* worthless, he was an average KR and a horrible PR and a horrible WR. Didn't deserve to be on the roster next year.

Seriously, where are people getting this idea that he's an amazing KR/PR? I have never yelled at my TV more than when he slides before getting hit on a kick return. Yea, he busted the two long KR's against the Jets, but besides that he was painful to watch back there. It was either straight to the sidelines or a slide to the ground.

[senormysterioso]

He does make Todd Pinkston look like Ronnie Lott sometimes. Ginn really has to toughen up to take that next step.

[CC.SD]

YES!!! Finally, someone who thinks the 49ers should go offense in the first round and thinks that both Spiller and a starting RT would make our offense better. So many 49er fans want Haden, Graham or a defensive player. The only defensive player I would draft at 13/17 would be FS Earl Thomas and thats only if Spiller, Bryant, Iupati and the top three OT's are gone.

I'll always get behind an OL pick but there are plenty of defensive players that would help out the 9ers at those spots, probably moreso than Spiller while Gore is around.

[JHasley10]

I'll always get behind an OL pick but there are plenty of defensive players that would help out the 9ers at those spots, probably moreso than Spiller while Gore is around.

the 9ers also go best player availble in the draft. if Haden drops to them, i cant see them passing up on him.

[JWZZR]

Yes Great Deal For the Dolphins

[CC.SD]

the 9ers also go best player availble in the draft. if Haden drops to them, i cant see them passing up on him.

Are you Halsey?

[JWZZR]

. Ginn would have been the fifth best WR on the team next season, and that's if Patrick Turner didn't develop at all.

Patrick Cobbs Is a better Reciver then ginn

[JHasley10]

Are you Halsey?

no im not him. different spelling , different person.

[Complex]

I blame Jim Tressel, He should should have left Ted at corner

[CC.SD]

no im not him. different spelling , different person.

Your spelling is better anyway.

[Brent]

he's a better kick returner/punt returner than any of the a-holes we had back there last year.

in fact, I think we were the worst in returns. so, this ain't too bad.

[draftguru151]

I guarantee you he isn't a better PR than whatever you had. He never catches the ******* ball, he just lets it hit the ground and bounce 20 yards instead of fair catching it. Bess returned punts last year and he's a terrible return guy. And get ready for him to fall down when someone gets close to him on a KR and run in the back of his blockers. Yaaaaaaaaay Teddy Ginn is gone.

[LonghornsLegend]

I guarantee you he isn't a better PR than whatever you had. He never catches the ******* ball, he just lets it hit the ground and bounce 20 yards instead of fair catching it. Bess returned punts last year and he's a terrible return guy. And get ready for him to fall down when someone gets close to him on a KR and run in the back of his blockers. Yaaaaaaaaay Teddy Ginn is gone.


I know Ginn sucked as a player overall, but let's be honest here, he's a good value for a return man as a 5th rounder for a team who desperately needed one. And yes, he is a better PR man then Brandon Jones or Arnaz Battle. I know alot of Dolphins fans hate the dude, but he's a huge upgrade over every return man SF had and for a bargain price.


He also still averaged over 24 yards a return on KR's which didn't all come by the account of the 2 TD's. Even if they did, I'm pretty sure SF will gladly take a few of those plays each year.

[dolphinfan2k5]

I guarantee you he isn't a better PR than whatever you had. He never catches the ******* ball, he just lets it hit the ground and bounce 20 yards instead of fair catching it. Bess returned punts last year and he's a terrible return guy. And get ready for him to fall down when someone gets close to him on a KR and run in the back of his blockers. Yaaaaaaaaay Teddy Ginn is gone.

I don't know how you expect him to be good at fielding punts when they just stuck him in there randomly. He definitely wasn't getting the majority of reps in practice, and he only got 5 opportunities all year, so its understandable that he didn't have a ton of awareness back there. It would have improved if we would have given him more than a few random tries a year. In his rookie year when he returned 24 punts he had his highest average.

And as far as returning kicks, I don't understand how you can say he's average. we had TWO kicks returned for a touchdown from 1994-2007. Thirteen years. Ginn had two in 60 minutes... And our blocking was pathetic all year. He's had at least 3 others called back by holding calls that were irrelevant to the play. But sure I guess you're right, since we got rid of this average kick returner we can look forward to another decade with about one return touchdown.

[gpngc]

Didn't read four pages of this...

My question is - what does this do to the chances they draft Spiller? It has to decrease. They needed to address KR and now they did.

[dolphinfan2k5]

I know Ginn sucked as a player overall, but let's be honest here, he's a good value for a return man as a 5th rounder for a team who desperately needed one. And yes, he is a better PR man then Brandon Jones or Arnaz Battle. I know alot of Dolphins fans hate the dude, but he's a huge upgrade over every return man SF had and for a bargain price.


He also still averaged over 24 yards a return on KR's which didn't all come by the account of the 2 TD's. Even if they did, I'm pretty sure SF will gladly take a few of those plays each year.

It makes no sense why everyone hates him. Without Ginn we were 5-11 last year, 6-10 at best, and that's inarguable. Obviously he hasn't lived up to expectations, but he was never going to. He's not supposed to be a number one dominating receiver. He's never been in an offensive situation that suited him well (would have been this year). His rookie year the team went 1-15, the next year Pennington was the QB, obviously lacking in arm strength and we didn't have a number one receiver. Last year we didn't have a number one either, and even though we had Henne they didn't seem to have much chemistry, especially in Henne's first few games.

[Brent]

I guarantee you he isn't a better PR than whatever you had.
No, trust me. So long as he doesnt muff the punt, he's going to be x100 better than Arnaz Battle/Brandon Jones.

Didn't read four pages of this...

My question is - what does this do to the chances they draft Spiller? It has to decrease. They needed to address KR and now they did.
Disagree, if they liked him before the trade, they'll still have the same view of him. I think what changes is whether or not you see Spiller filling the need for a speed back (as opposed to speed back/KR/PR) as more important than whoever could be available at 13/17.

I think if it's down to, say, Spiller, Haden or Davis at #13, they take Davis because OT is priority #1.

[gpngc]

^ Well all I want is for them to pass on him at #13.

[P-L]

I know Ginn sucked as a player overall, but let's be honest here, he's a good value for a return man as a 5th rounder for a team who desperately needed one. And yes, he is a better PR man then Brandon Jones or Arnaz Battle. I know alot of Dolphins fans hate the dude, but he's a huge upgrade over every return man SF had and for a bargain price.


He also still averaged over 24 yards a return on KR's which didn't all come by the account of the 2 TD's. Even if they did, I'm pretty sure SF will gladly take a few of those plays each year.
Ginn isn't a really a great returner though. He made two great returns against the Jets last year, but aside from those he didn't do a whole lot. He's consistently a 20-23 yard per return guy, which isn't great. He was 13th in kick off yards per return last year, which is barely above average. Had he not broken those two against the Jets (which are the only two kick return touchdowns he has in his career) he would've been well below average. He is a terrible punt returner and offers almost nothing as a receiver (although maybe the 49ers got him for future games against the Jets).

How odd is that? He's pretty much the only player to embarrass Darrelle Revis, yet he embarrasses himself against almost any other corner. Go figure.

I guess that since the 49ers were so bad at kick returns last year this move is somewhat justifiable. However, I can't help but feel like they could've gotten a superior player in the draft who offers more than just being an average kick returner.

[dan77733]

^ Well all I want is for them to pass on him at #13.

Pass on who at 13???

[draftguru151]

No, trust me. So long as he doesnt muff the punt, he's going to be x100 better than Arnaz Battle/Brandon Jones.


Disagree, if they liked him before the trade, they'll still have the same view of him. I think what changes is whether or not you see Spiller filling the need for a speed back (as opposed to speed back/KR/PR) as more important than whoever could be available at 13/17.

I think if it's down to, say, Spiller, Haden or Davis at #13, they take Davis because OT is priority #1.

Do they muff punts and let the ball bounce 20 yards instead of catching it?

Ginn's rookie year was easily his best as a return man, he was good at KR and PR (had a few TDs called back that year). Then is sophomore year he was was terrible on PR and they didn't even put him back there last year. There is a reason Ted Ginn doesn't return punts, and it's obviously not for receiving reasons since he wasn't a starter.

Last year Ginn single handedly beat the Jets. Because the Dolphins weren't that good last year. Do you really think Ginn is going to win games in the future returning two TDs in a game, or perhaps was that a bit of an unlikely situation? Ted Ginn is stupid fast running in a straight line, but sucks at doing everything else.

[Arsenal]

Do they muff punts and let the ball bounce 20 yards instead of catching it?



Yes, all the time actually. There's no way he can be worse. The 49ers used 5 different punt returners and 6 different kick returners and they were all horrible. The 49ers return game was embarrassing and if he muffs punts to lose the game, I'll already be used to it at least.

[dan77733]

Acquiring Ginn for a 5th rounder was a great move and here's a few reasons why -

1) He'll do far more than whoever we had returning kicks the last few years and at a lot less money.
2) It eliminates us from having to look for a returner in the mid-rounds.
3) It will allow us to release WR Brandon Jones.

Ginn's contract:

2010: 1,035,833
2011: 1,393,750
2012: 1,801,667

Year Salary Base Salary Signing Bonus
2010 $3,470,000 $2,150,000 $1,320,000
2011 $3,055,000 $2,355,000 $700,000
2012 $3,520,000 $2,820,000 $700,000
2013 $4,455,000 $4,075,000 $700,000

^^^ Thats Brandon Jones contract for the next four seasons that total over $14m compared to Ginn that totals just over $4.1m for the next three seasons. Basically, even after any type of cap penalty (which I dont think applies since there's no CBA), we would still save over $10m.

Even if Ginn hits his incentives for 2011 which would be another $1.6m, he's still far cheaper than that crapper Jones is.

4) As for WR, he would be 4th best on our team but again, he's far cheaper than what Jones would cost to keep. With Crabtree, Morgan and Hill as the top three receivers, I would much rather pay Ginn far less to be at the same spot on the depth chart and have his return ability over Jones any day of the week.

Overall, for a 5th rounder and at a cheap price, im a very happy camper. :)

[Da-Phins]

A fan told Ginn on twitter that he's glad he's gone and apparently Ginn went off on the guy.

TEDGINN19

RT @Cheatd2win: @TEDGINN19 thank goodness you are gone! **** u ***** ***** u can't say that **** to my face lame

Translation- F--- u b-tch nig-a u cant say that s--- to my face lame

[Sniper]

A fan told Ginn on twitter that he's glad he's gone and apparently Ginn went off on the guy.

Mr. Goodell on line 1.

[senormysterioso]

A fan told Ginn on twitter that he's glad he's gone and apparently Ginn went off on the guy.



Translation- F--- u b-tch nig-a u cant say that s--- to my face lame

I would LOVE to see Ginn try to fight a guy...that would be hilarious.

[LonghornsLegend]

A fan told Ginn on twitter that he's glad he's gone and apparently Ginn went off on the guy.



Translation- F--- u b-tch nig-a u cant say that s--- to my face lame

I think it's even lamer when athletes sign up for stuff like twitter if they can't handle negative comments from fans. Don't expose yourself to that stuff at all then.

[Dam8610]

That twitter thing makes him look bad, but at the same time, that's kind of classless of that fan. Why do we hold the athlete to such a higher standard than the fan? They both look like idiots in this case, but no one ever criticizes the fans in these situations.

[Whistler6]

A fan told Ginn on twitter that he's glad he's gone and apparently Ginn went off on the guy.



Translation- F--- u b-tch nig-a u cant say that s--- to my face lame

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ginn3.jpg

[adamprez2003]

very nice trade for the 49ers. Crabtree and Ginn could be one hell of a combo. Miami fans hated him from day one and I think it effected him a bit. That and the fact that he was a typical speed receiver that usually take three four years to develop and you might have just gotten a helluva bargain without having to spend the time to develop him. This could turn into a Tony Martin repeat.

[Ness]

very nice trade for the 49ers. Crabtree and Ginn could be one hell of a combo. Miami fans hated him from day one and I think it effected him a bit. That and the fact that he was a typical speed receiver that usually take three four years to develop and you might have just gotten a helluva bargain without having to spend the time to develop him. This could turn into a Tony Martin repeat.

I highly doubt Ginn cracks the starting lineup. Josh Morgan really came on strong towards the end of the season. I think he can be a decent receiver himself, he just needs someone worth a darn to actually get him and Crabtree the rock. Brandon Jone and Jason Hill are still in the way as well.

[adamprez2003]

I highly doubt Ginn cracks the starting lineup. Josh Morgan really came on strong towards the end of the season. I think he can be a decent receiver himself, he just needs someone worth a darn to actually get him and Crabtree the rock. Brandon Jone and Jason Hill are still in the way as well. for some reason i forgot about morgan but just watch you got a guy with something to prove and a great work ethic and speed to burn. you'll make out like bandits in this trade

[bhaarat316]

At least got a great KR guy out of it. I thought the Ginn and B-Marshall show was going to be good, guess not.

[bhaarat316]

Acquiring Ginn for a 5th rounder was a great move and here's a few reasons why -

1) He'll do far more than whoever we had returning kicks the last few years and at a lot less money.
2) It eliminates us from having to look for a returner in the mid-rounds.
3) It will allow us to release WR Brandon Jones.

Ginn's contract:

2010: 1,035,833
2011: 1,393,750
2012: 1,801,667

Year Salary Base Salary Signing Bonus
2010 $3,470,000 $2,150,000 $1,320,000
2011 $3,055,000 $2,355,000 $700,000
2012 $3,520,000 $2,820,000 $700,000
2013 $4,455,000 $4,075,000 $700,000

^^^ Thats Brandon Jones contract for the next four seasons that total over $14m compared to Ginn that totals just over $4.1m for the next three seasons. Basically, even after any type of cap penalty (which I dont think applies since there's no CBA), we would still save over $10m.

Even if Ginn hits his incentives for 2011 which would be another $1.6m, he's still far cheaper than that crapper Jones is.

4) As for WR, he would be 4th best on our team but again, he's far cheaper than what Jones would cost to keep. With Crabtree, Morgan and Hill as the top three receivers, I would much rather pay Ginn far less to be at the same spot on the depth chart and have his return ability over Jones any day of the week.

Overall, for a 5th rounder and at a cheap price, im a very happy camper. :)


How the hell did Brandon Jones get so much money, for having 1 okay season. 41 catches for 400 yards gets you that much money, damn.

[Menardo75]

Do they muff punts and let the ball bounce 20 yards instead of catching it?

Ginn's rookie year was easily his best as a return man, he was good at KR and PR (had a few TDs called back that year). Then is sophomore year he was was terrible on PR and they didn't even put him back there last year. There is a reason Ted Ginn doesn't return punts, and it's obviously not for receiving reasons since he wasn't a starter.

Last year Ginn single handedly beat the Jets. Because the Dolphins weren't that good last year. Do you really think Ginn is going to win games in the future returning two TDs in a game, or perhaps was that a bit of an unlikely situation? Ted Ginn is stupid fast running in a straight line, but sucks at doing everything else.

Well our guy would muff it and give it to the other team so between the two.....

[Ness]

How the hell did Brandon Jones get so much money, for having 1 okay season. 41 catches for 400 yards gets you that much money, damn.

I don't know. That was dumb. We should have never acquired Jones in the first place. I could understand why the front office decided it may have been a good move (uncertain about Bruce coming back, not thinking Crabtree would fall into their laps) Still, he hasn't never been anything special at receiver...ever.

[D-Unit]

Parcells is a good drafter, but he was never much of a trader. He was apart of some of the worst trades Dallas ever did. This 5th rounder will never amount to anything. Reminds me Dallas trading Antonio Bryant because Parcells never liked him. Ginn will go on to be better than Bryant.

[VAfy-ya]

YES!!! Finally, someone who thinks the 49ers should go offense in the first round and thinks that both Spiller and a starting RT would make our offense better. So many 49er fans want Haden, Graham or a defensive player. The only defensive player I would draft at 13/17 would be FS Earl Thomas and thats only if Spiller, Bryant, Iupati and the top three OT's are gone.

It is VERY unlikely we take Spiller in the first. The Niners brass is high on Glenn Coffee. He struggled early in the year just being patient and letting the the blocking develop on running plays. He was much improved later in the season and you could start to see the potential. HE WILL be much better this season. And considering we had the CJ Spiller of last year's draft, Kory Sheets on our roster to start the year, who is ironically now a 'Fin and choose to let him walk should indicate how we much of a need we think fast, explosive RBs with return potential are to this teams. If we thought we needed that element in our offense, we would have kept Sheets instead of letting the 'Fins pluck him off our Practice Squad. Singletary likes physical, between the tackles RBs. Guys that get better as the game wears on. As dangerous as Spiller is, I don't see him taking snaps away from Gore, one of the better pass-catching RBs in the league and a tough, hard-nosed runner. And Coffee is a Gore clone with more speed so he spells him nicely. You should be getting a starter if your picking in the top 20. That's not good value picking a player who's gonna primarily see the field as a PR his entire rookie year. Plus, our acting GM, Trent Baalke is said to be very high or Ryan Matthews, who may be there in the 2nd.

[VAfy-ya]

Acquiring Ginn for a 5th rounder was a great move and here's a few reasons why -

1) He'll do far more than whoever we had returning kicks the last few years and at a lot less money.
2) It eliminates us from having to look for a returner in the mid-rounds.
3) It will allow us to release WR Brandon Jones.

Ginn's contract:

2010: 1,035,833
2011: 1,393,750
2012: 1,801,667

Year Salary Base Salary Signing Bonus
2010 $3,470,000 $2,150,000 $1,320,000
2011 $3,055,000 $2,355,000 $700,000
2012 $3,520,000 $2,820,000 $700,000
2013 $4,455,000 $4,075,000 $700,000

^^^ Thats Brandon Jones contract for the next four seasons that total over $14m compared to Ginn that totals just over $4.1m for the next three seasons. Basically, even after any type of cap penalty (which I dont think applies since there's no CBA), we would still save over $10m.

Even if Ginn hits his incentives for 2011 which would be another $1.6m, he's still far cheaper than that crapper Jones is.

4) As for WR, he would be 4th best on our team but again, he's far cheaper than what Jones would cost to keep. With Crabtree, Morgan and Hill as the top three receivers, I would much rather pay Ginn far less to be at the same spot on the depth chart and have his return ability over Jones any day of the week.

Overall, for a 5th rounder and at a cheap price, im a very happy camper. :)

We'll carry 6 WRs so Jones is fine.....

Crabtree
Morgan
Jones
Hill
Ginn, Jr.
Zeigler

Hell, we carried seven last year so that's already an improvement. Jones was lights out in TC last year until he hurt his shoulder. Aftewards, he got lost in the shuffle, which I partly blamed on the coaching staff. They got so enormored with Crabs, they completely forgot about Jones. Jones is a good WR. He just hasn't played for teams that emphasized getting him the ball on offense. He had a run first, pass second Vince Young throwing to him a couple of years ago, then he was in a run first, run second offense when Kerry Collins took over in '08. He's never been in the offense that consistently threw the ball. If he played for a team like the Ravens, who could properly utlize his talents and has a QB that could get him the ball, his numbers would be much better. He has talent. He has deep-ball speed. Can make tough grabs over the middle. He's physical off the line and has the thick frame and strength to get by press coverage with ease. He's just needs to refine his route-running and find a offense willing to get him the ball.

[LonghornsLegend]

We'll carry 6 WRs so Jones is fine.....

Crabtree
Morgan
Jones
Hill
Ginn, Jr.
Zeigler

Hell, we carried seven last year so that's already an improvement. Jones was lights out in TC last year until he hurt his shoulder. Aftewards, he got lost in the shuffle, which I partly blamed on the coaching staff. They got so enormored with Crabs, they completely forgot about Jones. Jones is a good WR. He just hasn't played for teams that emphasized getting him the ball on offense. He had a run first, pass second Vince Young throwing to him a couple of years ago, then he was in a run first, run second offense when Kerry Collins took over in '08. He's never been in the offense that consistently threw the ball. If he played for a team like the Ravens, who could properly utlize his talents and has a QB that could get him the ball, his numbers would be much better. He has talent. He has deep-ball speed. Can make tough grabs over the middle. He's physical off the line and has the thick frame and strength to get by press coverage with ease. He's just needs to refine his route-running and find a offense willing to get him the ball.


Jones is not a bad WR at all, but he's certainly not worth what you guys are paying him. How many WR's do you expect to be involved realistically? Crabs and Morgan are starters and both the future, VD is one of the top targets, then how many more looks do you expect someone else to get?


Jones is being paid like a starting WR, it makes no sense to keep someone making that much to be at best a 4th WR who will never get any touches. He won't be cut because he's terrible, just that he's making too much money.

[VAfy-ya]

Jones is not a bad WR at all, but he's certainly not worth what you guys are paying him. How many WR's do you expect to be involved realistically? Crabs and Morgan are starters and both the future, VD is one of the top targets, then how many more looks do you expect someone else to get?


Jones is being paid like a starting WR, it makes no sense to keep someone making that much to be at best a 4th WR who will never get any touches. He won't be cut because he's terrible, just that he's making too much money.

My point is until his shoulder injury last year in TC, he was playing like a starter. He was getting rave review in the press about his deep-ball prowless and his arobatic catches. I understand the finanical aspects your saying, but I think that won't happen until they go to camp and he proves that he isnt a starter. Singletary loves competition at every position. He likes to keep guys on their toes and earn their role as starters. Our starters at WR are not set in stone. I think its safe to say that Crabs is pretty much a lock as one of the starting WRs but as much as I like Morgan, his job security isn to the point that Jones or Hill can't overtake him. For all his ability, Morgan is terribly inconsistent and lacks focus at critical times. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jones or Hill had strong off-seasons and surplanted him as a starter. When healthy, Jones can give you everything Morgan can, with more speed and athleticism thrown in. Its not as far-fetched as some ppl think......

[DoughBoy]

Brandon Jones is what he is. A decent slot reciver that will never be a number 1 or 2. He disappears all the time. Titans FA curse strikes agian.

[Brodeur]

Parcells is a good drafter, but he was never much of a trader. He was apart of some of the worst trades Dallas ever did. This 5th rounder will never amount to anything. Reminds me Dallas trading Antonio Bryant because Parcells never liked him. Ginn will go on to be better than Bryant.

I really really doubt that Ginn ever has the type of impact that Bryant has when he has a full, out of trouble and healthy season.

[LonghornsLegend]

I really really doubt that Ginn ever has the type of impact that Bryant has when he has a full, out of trouble and healthy season.

Exactly, I don't like that comparison at all.


Bryant's rookie season he totaled 700+ yards and 6 TD's, he was also the former Biletnikoff award winner, there wasn't any question about him playing WR or having the talent to do it.


People have always questioned how much of a true WR Ginn really was, and if he'll ever develop into a complete WR, questions Bryant never faced. There was always character concerns with him that stopped him from reaching full potential and he looked good everytime you saw him on the field.


He was traded because of his attitude, Ginn was traded because he still hasn't shown he can play WR.

[Splat]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/18/ted-ginn-starts-in-san-francisco-like-he-left-off-in-miami/

Stop us if you've heard this one before, Dolphins fans.

Ted Ginn opened some eyes at San Francisco's OTAs on Monday with his "gazelle-like" speed. And then he caused some head-shaking with a series of drops (http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_15103802).

[Complex]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/18/ted-ginn-starts-in-san-francisco-like-he-left-off-in-miami/

Stop us if you've heard this one before, Dolphins fans.

Ted Ginn opened some eyes at San Francisco's OTAs on Monday with his "gazelle-like" speed. And then he caused some head-shaking with a series of drops (http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_15103802).

Damn Jim Tressel, he should of left Ginn at cornerback

[Da-Phins]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/18/ted-ginn-starts-in-san-francisco-like-he-left-off-in-miami/

Stop us if you've heard this one before, Dolphins fans.

Ted Ginn opened some eyes at San Francisco's OTAs on Monday with his "gazelle-like" speed. And then he caused some head-shaking with a series of drops (http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_15103802).

Im shocked. :rolleyes:

Im glad we dont have to deal with his pansy style of play and the drop balls anymore.

[Brent]

it sounds like they want him to be a decoy on the deep routes to open up the mid-range for Crabtree & Morgan

[Grizzlegom]

Im shocked. :rolleyes:

Im glad we dont have to deal with his pansy style of play and the drop balls anymore.

this. He's never really been that great of a punt returner too, always seemed to struggle with consistently catching the ball. He's a pure KR and thats about it.

I also second the idea of keeping him at CB, he would have been better off there in my opinion.