Steelers contacting teams in top ten, one team considering deal

[Da-Phins]

Adam_Schefter

Pittsburgh has begun contacting teams to trade Ben Roethlisberger for a top 10 pick. At least one team considering it. Story far from done.

I'm guessing its either the Raiders or the Bills.

[scpanther22]

I'm guessing this never happens.

But if so..wow

[vikes_28]

Big Ben would be a perfect (mis)fit in Oakland.

[marshallb]

Why did the Vikings have to be good last year...

[Splat]

Very unlikely.

[tfry]

The Rams have a chance to redeem themselves after yesterday's trade!!! Give up the #1 pick for a QB in his mid-20's, 2 super bowl rings, and a winning attitude! Can't beat that!

[Don Vito]

Good God. If this happens that would be insane, two young franchise QB's moved in consecutive off seasons. That would be the cherry on top for a crazy off season, wonder who the Steelers are targeting. Okung, Berry, Trent Williams, Haden, McClain, and Bulaga would make sense, I just put Berry because he and Polamalu next to each other would be ********.

[derza222]

Really unlikely of course, but that would be a very interesting move for the Bills to make. Wonder who the Steelers would target in the top 10, move up for Bradford?

[Splat]

The Rams have a chance to redeem themselves after yesterday's trade!!! Give up the #1 pick for a QB in his mid-20's, 2 super bowl rings, and a winning attitude! Can't beat that!

I like how you only named the pros.

[zachsaints52]

The biiger question would be who would be their QB? Do you really see Clausen at Pitt?

[TitleTown088]

I don't know why everyone is calling this so unlikely.The Steelers owners are freaking livid from the sound of it and Ben is facing a suspension. I think it has a chance of happening.

[Jimmy]

ben suspendedberger

[Splat]

I don't know why everyone is calling this so unlikely.The Steelers owners are freaking livid from the sound of it and Ben is facing a suspension. I think it has a chance of happening.

I think it's unlikely a team gives up a top ten pick for him, if this wasn't going on sure but if this wasn't going on we wouldn't be talking about this.

[TitleTown088]

I think it's unlikely a team gives up a top ten pick for him, if this wasn't going on sure but if this wasn't going on we wouldn't be talking about this.
Big ben is a Franchise QB with some questionable behavioor, but the fact remains he's a franchise QB and you give up a top 10 pick for a young proven franchise QB. Someone will be bold if Pitt indeed wants to move him.
Seattle. Book it. ;)

[Kramer]

Why did the Vikings have to be good last year...

Big Ben wouldn’t be a good fit in the WCO I don’t think.

[K Train]

smoke=fire

first there was no way, then teams were talking about it but there was no way, then they were listening to offers but not really considering it, then they talked internally about it, now they are contacting teams about it.

30% chance he gets moved tomorrow

[Brown Leader]

How bout...three way trade?

Oakland gets: Big Ben

Pittsburgh gets: Oak #7pk & J.Campbell

Washington gets: 4th rd #117 from Pitt & J.Russell

All win?

[WinslowBodden]

My cousin was watching 1st and 10 and said the team interested in Ben was the Browns.


wat.

[zachsaints52]

How bout...three way trade?

Oakland gets: Big Ben

Pittsburgh gets: Oak #7pk & J.Campbell

Washington gets: 4th rd #117 from Pitt & J.Russell

All win?

Washington doesn't. They don't need another QB, especially one with #1 money tied to it.

[Pitt]

It would have to be more than a top 10 pick.

Yeah it looks great on paper having those extra picks. But after they actually make the selection, and are sitting there comparing a Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga to a Ben Roethlisberger, they'd most likely sell the team and jump off a bridge.

[Hines]

How bout...three way trade?

Oakland gets: Big Ben

Pittsburgh gets: Oak #7pk & J.Campbell

Washington gets: 4th rd #117 from Pitt & J.Russell

All win?

I MIGHT consider that trade.


My cousin was watching 1st and 10 and said the team interested in Ben was the Browns.


wat.

They might be interested, but there is no way in hell the Steelers would trade him to Cleveland.

[Kramer]

Imagine in off season when the two franchise QB’s of PA get traded to the division rival their team has the least tension with.

[Jvig43]

Imagine in off season when the two franchise QB’s of PA get traded to the division rival their team has the least tension with.

Now imagine if both those teams beat them :o

[Pitt]

I bet Washington is pissed these rumors didn't come out before they traded for McNabb.

[steelernation77]

I'm willing to bet the Steelers are going to be looking for an overwhelming offer or they won't move Ben. I'm thinking atleast two 1st rounders will need to be included in the compensation.

[BigDawg819]

Don't see a team giving up a top 10 pick for a guy that will be suspended 4-6 weeks, IMO.

That being said, its gotta be the Raiders. I mean come on now, Al needs on more fling with a bad boy running the team.

[Young Nasty Man]

It would seem rather fitting to have Big Ben be shipped out to Oakland. They don't have an O-line and The guy does the best job escaping QB's. Al Davis is going to be salivating at the mouth.

[Don Vito]

Please don't go to Oakland. We have their first rounder next year and I don't want Ben at the helm in Oakland, I could see it happening though. Damn it.

[Pitt]

Don't see a team giving up a top 10 pick for a guy that will be suspended 4-6 weeks, IMO.

That being said, its gotta be the Raiders. I mean come on now, Al needs on more fling with a bad boy running the team.

4 weeks with a good 8 years of championship caliber football? Yeah that would be dumb.

[K Train]

he would kill it off play action with oaklands run game

[BigDawg819]

4 weeks with a good 8 years of championship caliber football? Yeah that would be dumb.

A guy that is already facing suspension from the league without charges being brought up, a guy who consistently puts himself in bad situations, a guy that doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes.

Ben is on the same path as Pacman and Chris Henry was on and that doesn't have a high probability of 8 good years left.

[ViperVisor]

Pirates already have more wins than Steelers will get?

7

[K Train]

ben doesnt have 8 years left based in concussions every year

[steelernation77]

A guy that is already facing suspension from the league without charges being brought up, a guy who consistently puts himself in bad situations, a guy that doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes.

Ben is on the same path as Pacman and Chris Henry was on and that doesn't have a high probability of 8 good years left.

Well Ben hasn't had any gun-related incidents, so that's one difference between him and the other two.

Edit: Really, if you look over the rap sheets of the two you mentioned, Ben hasn't really amassed their amount of incidents.

[BigDawg819]

Well Ben had any gun-related incidents, so that's one difference between him and the other two.

Edit: Really, if you look over the rap sheets of the two you mentioned, Ben hasn't really amassed their amount of incidents.

I was merely associating his continued bad decision making to theirs. Not at all trying to compare rap sheets.

[LizardState]

Give up a top 10 pick for a SB-winning QB who's a serial rapist & will miss up to 6 games this fall, what a sweet deal......:rolleyes:

I don't think it's the Raiders or even Buffalo who have ex-Steeler mgrs. there, I think it's Seattle, new coach on the scene in Carroll who's familiar with the NFL & anxious to make a big splash soon.

Interesting that the owner is the current ambassador to Ireland & is stuck here b/c of the Iceland volcano erupting shut down flts. to Europe, Mort says Art Jr. is spending all his time in the Steelers' offices & "getting madder by the day." He wants to move Big Ben & that's the reason fans s/b taking it seriously.

This is how dynasties fall, b/c a QB (using the Bull Durham cliche' phrase) with that million $ arm & a 10-cent head got his other head wet with forcibly raping a 20-yr-old, his 2nd offseason drunk rape in a row. Any way you slice it, Rothlisberger 's name is mud in Pittsburgh now. It could have a ripple effect through the 1st rd. if it does happen, & unless the Steelers reload this draft from this talent depletion, it could set them back for yrs.

[CC.SD]

I would bet anything it's Oakland.

[Addict]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/rams-dont-want-roethlisberger/

wherever he goes, it ain't st. louis

[yourfavestoner]

Come on down to Jacksonville Ben, please!

[no bare feet]

Cowher -> Gailey=Big ben=Bills.


If Big Ben is traded to the Bills I will become a Bills fan. Big ben and Marshawn getting hyphy at Applebees!

[Chucky]

Buffalo should trade for him.

I mean how much trouble can he get into at Applebees

[Joecool]

They just got leftwich and dixon is improving. I could see ben being traded to oakland. But there just going to get a 2nd round pick at the highest. Ben would really help oakland tho. He buys alot of time and thos WRS are fast and there going to get open. Get ben and bruce campbell u got a play off team in oakland. Plus leftwich isnt that old and hes just as good as ben imo.

[K Train]

and hes just as good as ben imo.

wtf? thats why leftwhich is barely a journey man and was traded for a 7th round pick

[tjsunstein]

Oakland is the only one dumb enough.

[WinslowBodden]

ben doesnt have 8 years left based in concussions every year

Not every line is as bad as the Steelers.

[Joecool]

wtf? thats why leftwhich is barely a journey man and was traded for a 7th round pick


Leftwish was playing better then ben when he was there two years ago. Ben got pulled and leftwich came from behind and won the game. Leftwich is good and i could see him becoming the steelers qb of the future. Ben is good to but i just cant see him playing with the steelers again after this.

[MasterShake]

Alex Smith and pick #13 for Big Ben.

The Steelers would have to jump at that wouldnt they? Maybe we could get away with #17 depending on how they value Alex Smith.

[Joecool]

Alex Smith and pick #13 for Big Ben.

The Steelers would have to jump at that wouldnt they?

WOW yeah there not going to get that tho lol. No way would they get that good of a deal.

[K Train]

Leftwish was playing better then ben when he was there two years ago. Ben got pulled and leftwich came from behind and won the game. Leftwich is good and i could see him becoming the steelers qb of the future. Ben is good to but i just cant see him playing with the steelers again after this.

ben got hurt, not pulled and leftwhich played good but hes not an answer to any team. hes a backup

[LonghornsLegend]

My cousin was watching 1st and 10 and said the team interested in Ben was the Browns.


wat.

Your cousin lied to you, but hey this is how all rumors start so not a big deal.


The host of the show is a Browns fan, he said if he were in charge of the Browns he would do it. Other then that nobody even mentioned the Browns at all as being interested, nor any other teams.



I also think he gets traded, a top 10 pick for a franchise QB in the middle of his prime who is clutch in the playoffs and at the end of games isn't hardly alot to give up, suspension or not. Yea he'll miss games, but you could also get a bust with that pick too just as easily, but you know with Ben you get an upper level QB in the NFL which you didn't have before. I can understand if a team wouldn't be interested, but let's not act like it would be stupid to do it.


I would of been asking for a top 10 this year, and a 1st next year, or just hope he gets his stuff together, if it's just a top 10 this year I'd take that.


Hell if I'm Pitt I'd try to get #6 and land Berry to go with Polamalu, get Kyle Wilson with their own 1st, and that defense should keep every game close enough for a bus driver to keep them in it.


Polamalu at the LOS moving all over the place, Berry playing deep centerfield, wow.

[kalbears13]

My cousin was watching 1st and 10 and said the team interested in Ben was the Browns.


wat.

http://thingsifoundatthethriftstore.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/do-not-want-dog.jpg

[K Train]

Polamalu at the LOS moving all over the place, Berry playing deep centerfield, wow.

only in a perfect world

[RaiderNation]

Please Al make the move

[WinslowBodden]

Your cousin lied to you, but hey this is how all rumors start so not a big deal.


The host of the show is a Browns fan, he said if he were in charge of the Browns he would do it. Other then that nobody even mentioned the Browns at all as being interested, nor any other teams.



Ya I wasn't sure especially with him so ty for clearing that up although I doubt the Steelers would ever deal Ben inside the division.

[TitleTown088]

Adam Schefter wrote:
Here are teams that Steelers have called about Roethlisberger: Rams, 49ers, Raiders, Bills, Jaguars, Seahawks and Browns.



Here are the known no's on interest in Roethlisberger right now: Rams, Bills. Others might not be, just not known yet.

List of the teams according to Shefter.

[woodnick]

List of the teams according to Shefter.

Shefter also said the Rams and Bills said no

[georgiafan]

How about a swap of Ben and David Garrard with draft picks going to steelers to make up the diffrence? The Jags upgrade at a important position and get a bigger name. While the Steelers get someone who can start for them and a upgrade over Dixon and leftwhich

[Addict]

Buffalo should trade for him.

I mean how much trouble can he get into at Applebees

he might just be utterly confused by all the cold shoulders :D

[Scotty D]

The Steelers are negotiating themselves into a locked bathroom here.

[Addict]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/bills-say-no-to-roethlisberger-too/

bills say nooooo

[Stamper]

If the raiders get him i think we can call it a wash on him not being prosecuted

[yourfavestoner]

How about a swap of Ben and David Garrard with draft picks going to steelers to make up the diffrence? The Jags upgrade at a important position and get a bigger name. While the Steelers get someone who can start for them and a upgrade over Dixon and leftwhich

PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE THIS HAPPEN

[I_C_DeadPeople]

Trading him to the Browns would actually be a slick move for the Steelers. It would allow the fans to boo him for as long as he plays and in doing so the fans can never really blame the management for the trade. Furthermore, they can send their D after him and beat the crap out of him twice a year.

[Jvig43]

I'm willing to bet the Steelers are going to be looking for an overwhelming offer or they won't move Ben. I'm thinking atleast two 1st rounders will need to be included in the compensation.

They traded Santonio Holmes for a ******* fifth. No where near will they get two first round picks. Theyll be lucky to trade him and just swap firsts with a team in the top ten.

[Addict]

Trading him to the Browns would actually be a slick move for the Steelers. It would allow the fans to boo him for as long as he plays and in doing so the fans can never really blame the management for the trade. Furthermore, they can send their D after him and beat the crap out of him twice a year.

and risk getting their asses handed to them. No team is as stupid as the freakin' eagles.

[gpngc]

^Santonio Holmes is a WR - one of the easiest positions to find/least important positions on the field.

Ben Roethlisberger is a Super Bowl-caliber quarterback.

[Complex]

The steelers do like bradford some maybe a trade with the rams

[Addict]

The steelers do like bradford some maybe a trade with the rams

not likely. Roethlisberger's value isn't even close to the 1st overall pick at this point.

[Jvig43]

^Santonio Holmes is a WR - one of the easiest positions to find/least important positions on the field.

Ben Roethlisberger is a Super Bowl-caliber quarterback.

And Holmes is a super bowl MVP WR, who got traded for a ******* fifth, I guarantee you some other team would of given up more for him. The only stupider thing the steelers could do is trade ben, and the only worse move in my mind right now was the Eagles trading Mcnabb to the redskins. If the steelers do trade ben, for anything less then another first, it would be a horrible move, and if they trade him to cleveland, I'd just straight up consider this to be the best off season ever.

[Pitt]

They just got leftwich and dixon is improving. I could see ben being traded to oakland. But there just going to get a 2nd round pick at the highest. Ben would really help oakland tho. He buys alot of time and thos WRS are fast and there going to get open. Get ben and bruce campbell u got a play off team in oakland. Plus leftwich isnt that old and hes just as good as ben imo.

How many times have you been hit in the head (serious)? I'm actually worried.

[LizardState]

No, neither Batch nor Leftwich can get them to another SB.

It's just pisspoor timing & hard cheese on the Steelers to look to dump their 2-time SB-winning QB the day before the draft with one of the worst QB classes in recent memory.

Ben's toxic level in Pittsburgh is rising to a critical mass today as is Art Rooney Jr's humiliation as is the media pressure on them to move him. He's going to be the blameworthy player for their demise this yr. especially those 1st 6 games. I'm surprised more teams aren't negotiating for him now smelling blood in the water & thinking they can get him for a steal, which is like a 2nd or something. Steelers asking price of a top 10 pick for him is a major reach with him missing 6 games.

[Ness]

I don't think it's going to happen, but if any team were to try and acquire him I'm putting my money on Oakland.

[Pitt]

Some of you are missing the point. They got what they could for Holmes because they no longer wanted him on their team.

If Ben is traded, it would be for value, since they ARE prepared to go on with Ben.

So if they can't get it, he won't be traded.

[Addict]

No, neither Batch nor Leftwich can get them to another SB.

It's just pisspoor timing & hard cheese on the Steelers to look to dump their 2-time SB-winning QB the day before the draft with one of the worst QB classes in recent memory.

Ben's toxic level in Pittsburgh is rising to a critical mass today as is Art Rooney Jr's humiliation as is the media pressure on them to move him. He's going to be the blameworthy player for their demise this yr. especially those 1st 6 games. I'm surprised more teams aren't negotiating for him now smelling blood in the water & thinking they can get him for a steal, which is like a 2nd or something. Steelers asking price of a top 10 pick for him is a major reach with him missing 6 games.

be terrible for a season and pick up one guy in what looks like an excellent QB draft class next season.

If you have trouble coping with losing teams, go to the St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa Bay or Kansas City subboards, we'll be happy to assist.

[Jvig43]

Some of you are missing the point. They got what they could for Holmes because they no longer wanted him on their team.

If Ben is traded, it would be for value, since they ARE prepared to go on with Ben.

So if they can't get it, he won't be traded.

And its pretty clear they dont want Ben on the team either, its been pretty ovbious at this point. Doesnt mean they have to trade proven players away for bargain bin prices, only getting a fifth hurt the team more then if he had just been suspended and fined and stayed imo.

[LizardState]

If you have trouble coping with losing teams, go to the St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa Bay or Kansas City subboards, we'll be happy to assist.

I actually enjoy the fulfilling schadenfreude of analyzing losing teams b/c often their ridicule is well deserved.

I'm a Steeler hater after the way the flags fell on their opponents in thier last 2 SB wins, so I'm immensely enjoying the way Big ben is converting them from a winner to a loser singlehandedly & overnight.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I think the Steelers will look for a Top Ten pick in return. If they can't get one, they will keep him. I imagine if they get the pick in the Top Ten it would be for Clausen.

[Brown Leader]

How many times have you been hit in the head (serious)? I'm actually worried.

He just came in from recess.

[Pitt]

And its pretty clear they dont want Ben on the team either, its been pretty ovbious at this point. Doesnt mean they have to trade proven players away for bargain bin prices, only getting a fifth hurt the team more then if he had just been suspended and fined and stayed imo.

They've said over and over again they are prepared to move on with Ben as their Quarterback. Not the case with Holmes.

Why wouldn't they field offers if the price is right?

[Pitt]

I think the Steelers will look for a Top Ten pick in return. If they can't get one, they will keep him. I imagine if they get the pick in the Top Ten it would be for Clausen.

Tomlin likes Dixon too much.

Most likely Eric Berry.

[Jvig43]

They've said over and over again they are prepared to move on with Ben as their Quarterback. Not the case with Holmes.

Why wouldn't they field offers if the price is right?

Because it was pretty clear they didnt field very many offers for Holmes. I mean, maybe they did, but in my mind, some team would of easily given at least a third for him, if not more. Ginn got traded for the same price, thats how im pretty positive he could of gone for more.

[Pitt]

Because it was pretty clear they didnt field very many offers for Holmes. I mean, maybe they did, but in my mind, some team would of easily given at least a third for him, if not more. Ginn got traded for the same price, thats how im pretty positive he could of gone for more.

You're not getting it. They are prepared to move on with Ben. They were not going to move on with Holmes. Thus, it would have to be a great deal for them to trade Ben, where they took whatever they could get for Holmes.

[Jvig43]

You're not getting it. They are prepared to move on with Ben. They were not going to move on with Holmes. Thus, it would have to be a great deal for them to trade Ben, where they took whatever they could get for Holmes.

No, I'm getting it. You want to get rid of a player that a team no longer wants. Fine. Its clear, I understand it. Now does that mean just give a proven WR who was a huge reason the steelers won a super bowl with recently for the same price as Ginn? Eagles have been ready to move on from Mcnabb, and despite the team they traded him to, at least they got adequate value for him, and didnt just throw him to the first team that called.

[Pitt]

No, I'm getting it. You want to get rid of a player that a team no longer wants. Fine. Its clear, I understand it. Now does that mean just give a proven WR who was a huge reason the steelers won a super bowl with recently for the same price as Ginn? Eagles have been ready to move on from Mcnabb, and despite the team they traded him to, at least they got adequate value for him, and didnt just throw him to the first team that called.

Well yeah I didn't agree with it. They could of handled it differently (waiting until the draft). They basically set their own market by possibly broadcasting they were go to release him anyways. But with everything going on with Ben, they couldn't keep him on the team, and chose to get rid of him immediately. It was bad timing.

They don't have to get rid of Ben, immediately. And have already stated that.

[GB12]

I agree with the suspension, but I think it'd be incredibly stupid for the Steelers to trade him. Roethlisberger for Clausen would be an awful move.

[bhaarat316]

I think they are just trying to scare his asss straight.

Also if they do get a ridiculous offer then they take it.

[I_C_DeadPeople]

I agree with the suspension, but I think it'd be incredibly stupid for the Steelers to trade him. Roethlisberger for Clausen would be an awful move.


This decision is not about being smart or stupid. Strictly based on football, this is a trade that would not even be up for discussion.

This is a possible move for true 'team' reasons, team status, team dignity, fan dignity and appeal for that matter. The issue is far bigger then football field performance.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I'd love for Oakland to make this move.

[Gay Ork Wang]

am i the only one who thinks 9ers would make sense?

[Mr. Goosemahn]

Per Rotoworld (through Jason LaCanfora, who I don't really respect, but still):

According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, the Raiders are in contact with the Steelers about a trade for Ben Roethlisberger.

La Canfora says Oakland "might be (the) only real option" for Pittsburgh if the Steelers are truly prepared to wash their hands of the 28-year-old QB. The Raiders, smartly (for once), appear to have realized that JaMarcus Russell is a bust, and very arguably the biggest in NFL history. The Steelers might ask for Nnamdi Asomugha in addition to Oakland's No. 8 overall pick.

Nnamdi and 8 would be pretty good in return, though I'm guessing there would also be an exchange of later picks; Pittsburgh giving a fifth, getting a fourth, I dunno, something else.

And I think some people are really underestimating Roethlisberger's value right now. I get why some say he shouldn't get two firsts this year, that is kind of wishful thinking for any player, but not an early first? Teams drafting Bradford and Clausen only hope that they can become as good as Roethlisberger is. Sure, he's definitely not the conventional passer, but he knows how to win, and on the field, he just finds ways to do so.

Give him a good O-line and I think people will be surprised what he can do. Back in 2007, the last year the line had some quality veteran talent, he had a great year. Marvel Smith and Alan Faneca were still starters, and Ben threw for 3154 yards, 32 TD's, and 11 picks. He still racked up 47 sacks, but the line was better that year than it was the one after, which doesn't really make sense since they won the Superbowl the next year, but whatever.

Ben is one of, if not the, most clutch QB in the league right now, and he's entering his prime. He's worth a top 10 pick for a team who needs a QB. Oakland and Buffalo would win many more games with him at QB than Russell, Gradkowski, Edwards, or Brohm.

[Mr. Goosemahn]

he might be worth a top ten, but i'm not sure i'd give up a top ten *and* one of the top two or three CBs in the league.

Nnamdi and Polamalu together would be downright nasty.

[Pitt]

he might be worth a top ten, but i'm not sure i'd give up a top ten *and* one of the top two or three CBs in the league.

You'd rather continue to pick in the top 10 every year, without a QB? May not look good now, but it would definitely pay off when the Raiders are actually winning playoff games.

[BigDawg819]

You'd rather continue to pick in the top 10 every year, without a QB? May not look good now, but it would definitely pay off when the Raiders are actually winning playoff games.

Right because weakening the secondary would in no way cause them to miss the playoffs. Oh wait Ben wouldn't play for 6 games so the offense would continue to be weak.

[Jvig43]

You'd rather continue to pick in the top 10 every year, without a QB? May not look good now, but it would definitely pay off when the Raiders are actually winning playoff games.

With what offensive line, Wr who can actually catch, and what healthy running back? Theres a reason their picking in the top 10 every year and its not just because they dont have a Qb.

[CC.SD]

Right because weakening the secondary would in no way cause them to miss the playoffs. Oh wait Ben wouldn't play for 6 games so the offense would continue to be weak.

He's probably thinking of future years.

I would bring Ben to the division to get Nnamdi out of it. I don't really have that much faith that the Raiders would be able to get anything done either way.

[Saints-Tigers]

Then guess who was standing right in front of us? Just guess! Emilio Esteves!!

and then CC SD was like EMILIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Pitt]

Right because weakening the secondary would in no way cause them to miss the playoffs. Oh wait Ben wouldn't play for 6 games so the offense would continue to be weak.

With what offensive line, Wr who can actually catch, and what healthy running back? Theres a reason their picking in the top 10 every year and its not just because they dont have a Qb.

Does anyone ever think outside the box here? It starts with the Quarterback, and you build around him. Fcuk, I didn't say they were going to go 16-0 in year one with him.

[Mr. Goosemahn]

With what offensive line, Wr who can actually catch, and what healthy running back? Theres a reason their picking in the top 10 every year and its not just because they dont have a Qb.

He didn't have much of an offensive line in Pittsburgh either. And I think Murphy and Schilenz would be better receivers with Ben throwing the ball.

RB health is a concern though.

I'd take a couple years, but they could be a dangerous team in 3 or 4 years.

[CC.SD]

Then guess who was standing right in front of us? Just guess! Emilio Esteves!!

and then CC SD was like EMILIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

EMILIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[BigDawg819]

Does anyone ever think outside the box here? It starts with the Quarterback, and you build around him. Fcuk, I didn't say they were going to go 16-0 in year one with him.

And the Raiders do not do that effectively. Until they get rid of Al Davis from personnel decisions they are fodder for jokes.

[Matthew Jones]

I think Roethlisberger for the #8 overall pick would be a fair deal for both teams. If I'm the Raiders, I'm salivating at the chance to add a Pro Bowl quarterback to a team that went 5-11 in large part because they didn't have a quarterback. The AFC West is weak and having a top quarterback means they'd have a good shot every year. Roethlisberger vs. Rivers twice a year would be nice too.

[LonghornsLegend]

I'm a Steeler hater after the way the flags fell on their opponents in thier last 2 SB wins, so I'm immensely enjoying the way Big ben is converting them from a winner to a loser singlehandedly & overnight.


I don't know why but I find this funny coming from an Alabama/SEC fan.

[Pitt]

A Roethlisberger deal likely has been discussed within and outside the organization, former Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick said, "but what's the offer? What would someone give up for a two-time Super Bowl winning quarterback?"

As for the so-called "character" issue, Billick, a Fox and NFL Network analyst, said, "Character in the NFL is not a moral or ethical question, it's an economic question."

In other words, jettisoning an elite player carries some inherent risks.

"People say, 'OK, I've had enough,' " Billick said. "Have you really? If you're one of those people, let's revisit this in couple of years, when you're still looking for a quarterback, and you're in your third straight year out of the playoffs, and Ben goes off somewhere, and he's a good citizen and a productive player."

[BigDawg819]

A Roethlisberger deal likely has been discussed within and outside the organization, former Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick said, "but what's the offer? What would someone give up for a two-time Super Bowl winning quarterback?"

As for the so-called "character" issue, Billick, a Fox and NFL Network analyst, said, "Character in the NFL is not a moral or ethical question, it's an economic question."

In other words, jettisoning an elite player carries some inherent risks.

"People say, 'OK, I've had enough,' " Billick said. "Have you really? If you're one of those people, let's revisit this in couple of years, when you're still looking for a quarterback, and you're in your third straight year out of the playoffs, and Ben goes off somewhere, and he's a good citizen and a productive player."

Ok since you are taking that side of the coin:

What if he continues to make bad decision?
What if he gets longer suspensions?
What if he continues to get the Steelers fined?
What if he stays and the Steelers fail to move him while they could?


I can keep this up as long as you can...

[CC.SD]

Ok since you are taking that side of the coin:

What if he continues to make bad decision?
What if he gets longer suspensions?
What if he continues to get the Steelers fined?
What if he stays and the Steelers fail to move him while they could?




What if he just can't stop raping?

[BigDawg819]

What if he just can't stop raping?

What if he wore a helmet and didn't get into that accident?

[CC.SD]

What if he wore a helmet and didn't get into that accident?

Maybe the ensuing brain damage is what caused Ben's undeniable urge to rape.

[Pitt]

Ok since you are taking that side of the coin:

What if he continues to make bad decision?
What if he gets longer suspensions?
What if he continues to get the Steelers fined?
What if he stays and the Steelers fail to move him while they could?


I can keep this up as long as you can...

Never said it wasn't a risk.

[B-Dawk]

maybe concussions have impaired his judgments and he can't help himself? he should sue the nfl for every girl he rapes

[Mr. Goosemahn]

he should sue the nfl for every girl he rapes

The league didn't allow him to wear a sticker or something saying "PFJ," meaning Play for Jesus, as a rookie. Guess they're regretting it now.

All these events are consequences of it. It's the NFL's fault. He should sue.

[CC.SD]

The league didn't allow him to wear a sticker or something saying "PFJ," meaning Play for Jesus, as a rookie. Guess they're regretting it now.

All these events are consequences of it. It's the NFL's fault. He should sue.

I want an RFJ sticker.

[BigDawg819]

The league didn't allow him to wear a sticker or something saying "PFJ," meaning Play for Jesus, as a rookie. Guess they're regretting it now.

All these events are consequences of it. It's the NFL's fault. He should sue.

They should keep him and draft Tebow in round 1. If anyone can save Ben its Tebow. If he can't the BAN HIM!

[Hines]

They should keep him and draft Tebow in round 1. If anyone can save Ben its Tebow. If he can't the BAN HIM!

Ben would probably tell Tebow to shut the **** up like the QBs did at the Combine.

[Stranger]

From Schefter

Here are the known no's on interest in Roethlisberger right now: Rams, Bills. Others might not be, just not known yet.

Here are teams that Steelers have called about Roethlisberger: Rams, 49ers, Raiders, Bills, Jaguars, Seahawks and Browns.[/QUOTE

And from Mort

[QUOTE]RT @mkboudreau: @mortreport chances of cards trading for big ben with whisenhunt there? >> This may surprise u, but there'd be no interest

[CC.SD]

From Schefter



[QUOTE]Here are teams that Steelers have called about Roethlisberger: Rams, 49ers, Raiders, Bills, Jaguars, Seahawks and Browns.[/QUOTE

And from Mort

RT @mkboudreau: @mortreport chances of cards trading for big ben with whisenhunt there? >> This may surprise u, but there'd be no interest


This does surprise me, greatly in fact. Arizona would seem to be the perfect situation in a lot of ways.

[Stranger]

[QUOTE=Stranger;2137202]From Schefter





This does surprise me, greatly in fact. Arizona would seem to be the perfect situation in a lot of ways.

I think the staff are higher on Leinart than most other people. Do any Steelers fans know what Whiz and Roethlisberger's relationship was like?

[thetedginnshow]

If I were a top ten team, I'd jump all over this. Don't have to pay a bonus for Big Ben and don't have to risk all that money on an unproven rookie? More than likely none of the top ten teams are going to be playoff teams next year anyway, so it's probably better to have a franchise QB for the long haul rather than just worrying about this season.

[WinslowBodden]

[QUOTE=CC.SD;2137229]

I think the staff are higher on Leinart than most other people. Do any Steelers fans know what Whiz and Roethlisberger's relationship was like?

They're high on Lord Anderson and his rocket arm.

[EvilNixon]

If we can get Ben for #8 and Jared Gaither for #40.....we'd be dangerous..not going to happen though

[Mr. Goosemahn]

[QUOTE=CC.SD;2137229]

I think the staff are higher on Leinart than most other people. Do any Steelers fans know what Whiz and Roethlisberger's relationship was like?

Not very good. They didn't shake hands when they met once. Whiz followed his playbook, and Roethlisberger felt he could do more and was limited, and there was some tension.

Nothing too big, but I don't think Whiz would trade a lot to get him.

[CC.SD]

If I were a top ten team, I'd jump all over this. Don't have to pay a bonus for Big Ben and don't have to risk all that money on an unproven rookie? More than likely none of the top ten teams are going to be playoff teams next year anyway, so it's probably better to have a franchise QB for the long haul rather than just worrying about this season.

You're right, I'm surprised no owner secretly wants to dodge a top ten pick salary. *coughs, stares at Jaguars.

[Jughead10]

How many years do you think it would take Ben to learn a new offense? With him not being able to take part in football activities until after week 4 or 6, he'd be fairly useless this year even in the games he did play in.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

that's a cute false dilemma.

Sadly, I don't think it's that far off base. Oakland constantly tries to reload without the pieces to reload around. Getting a player in like Roethlisberger who's pretty far along in his development already and can play at a high level would actually give Al Davis something to put pieces around. Oakland will never actually rebuild so long as Davis runs the team.

I support Oakland dealing for Roethlisberger because it'll either make Oakland competitive in the AFC West or it will blow up spectacularly and hilariously (hopefully with less rape though). At this point I'd just as soon be entertained by my team as be proud of a winning record.

[tjsunstein]

This wouldn't be a one year deal so why is everyone talking about the short term repercussions?

[Jughead10]

This wouldn't be a one year deal so why is everyone talking about the short term repercussions?

Which is why I said how many years. Ben certainly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. And the Steelers brought him along at a snails pace when it came to their passing game. A new play book is something Ben probably wouldn't be looking foward to.

[bored of education]

Big Ben got Big Benned

[Mr. Goosemahn]

He can participate in training camp and preseason games, just not in regular season games and OTA's right now.

He needs to complete an evaluation before being able to participate in OTA's again, it'll probably take two weeks or something.

[aNYtitan]

I'm probably repeating what some have said already, but if I were the Raiders, just cough up that first round pick for Big Ben. Completely remake the franchise from that point on.

[frubulubu]

Michael Vick had his suspention reduced, could this happen to Ben?

[MattC]

I think it's a worthwhile risk for the Raiders because, lets face it, they're already a laughingstock. Undead Al won't look any worse if he trades for Big Rapist Ben. If it works out Al might see a playoff game before his corpse completely decomposes.

[steelernation77]

Michael Vick had his suspention reduced, could this happen to Ben?

Yes it could happen.

Also, Ed Bouchette (the dean of Pittsburgh sports writers) is saying Ben isn't going to be traded. I'll believe him.

[BaLLiN]

i dont get why this is even being rumored. You win two superbowls and are 28 and now you might get traded?

[ShutDwn]

I think Big Ben needs a team and a city that can appreciate his playing/life style: live on the edge and go deep.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

i'm not sure that it is. i have to believe that aso is worth at least a first round pick (may not be an early one). i don't see anything else in this thread to suggest that pittsburgh is demanding two firsts from anyone and it seems unlikely to me that al would give up one of the only guys who's actually wanted to stick with oakland lately. especially at a position where he's largely had garbage.

aso+1 for ben and something wouldn't surprise me, i guess, i just don't see a deal THAT one sided taking place unless al actually thinks ben is the missing link and that aso is completely disposable.

I don't really understand the trading Asomugha thing. If Al Davis makes a move to win now like acquiring Roethlisberger, it makes absolutely no sense to deal your best defensive player. If they Seymour trade taught us anything, it's that Al is far more wiling to mortgage Oakland's future by way of picks than to deal the few guys on the team who offer real immediate value as starters.

[bhaarat316]

i dont get why this is even being rumored. You win two superbowls and are 28 and now you might get traded?

To scare him.

[RaiderNation]

http://twitter.com/KobeOnTheRadio/statuses/12612897798

This guy is saying a trade is pending on Big Ben to Oakland.....

[boknows34]

http://twitter.com/KobeOnTheRadio/statuses/12612897798

This guy is saying a trade is pending on Big Ben to Oakland.....


Pull the trigger Mr Burns. Pull the trigger.

http://broncosculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/al-davis-mr-burns.jpg

[fear the elf]

i dont get why this is even being rumored. You win two superbowls and are 28 and now you might get traded?

And you allegedly raped two girls! I don't understand how there are people out there that don't understand it isn't just an on the field question, it's about image, money, and (to a lesser extent) right and wrong.

[Hines]

Sheff said that the Raiders dropped out, so the Steelers will keep him. That is fine by me.

[Young Nasty Man]

I got a feeling htat you're going to see the Bills emerge out of no where in the last hours before the draft. It would seem fitting since they are in dire need of a quarterback and their O-line is horrific and Big Ben is one of the Best QB when it comes to buying time. Don't be shocked if that goes down.

[WinslowBodden]

Where does Ben's arm rank among NFL QB's? I don't really ever see him get huge praise for his arm but he can gun the ball down field pretty well.

[boknows34]

I'm probably repeating what some have said already, but if I were the Raiders, just cough up that first round pick for Big Ben. Completely remake the franchise from that point on.

I agree. And if the Steelers want to replace Big Ben with Bradford how about this framework for a 3-way trade.

What we don't know is how much St Louis likes Clausen. If they have the 2 QBs ranked very close and Clausen is available at #8.... then I'm just speculating here.

Oakland trades #8 (plus extras?) to Pittsburgh for Big Ben.
Pittsburgh then drafts Clausen and sends him with their 18th overall pick plus extras to the Rams for Sam Bradford.

Oakland gets Big Ben.
Pittsburgh gets Bradford.
St Louis gets Clausen and #18, while saving money too on their rookie QB.

[P-L]

And you allegedly raped two girls! I don't understand how there are people out there that don't understand it isn't just an on the field question, it's about image, money, and (to a lesser extent) right and wrong.
I know, this isn't a 28 year old Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Guy is going to be suspended between 4-6 games next season. If he screws up again he'll probably get a whole year suspension.

Ben isn't just a 28 year old quarterback with two rings. He's a 28 year old quarterback with two rings who has consistently displayed poor judgment in his off the field decisions and could further hurt himself or his team if he doesn't clean up his act.

[D-Unit]

To the Raiders...? On the radio...

For the 8th pick, 2nd round pick, and 5th round pick.

[GB12]

Shefter is saying it's extremely unlikely he'll be traded.

[EricCartmann]

Lets keep the thread at the top. This guy here says Asumougha for Roth.

http://nflspinzone.com/2010/04/22/ben-roethlisberger-to-oakland-raiders-a-done-deal/

[D-Unit]

Shefter is saying it's extremely unlikely he'll be traded.
I'll believe Shfter then.... He's da besssss... seriously.

[Smooth Criminal]

Its not going to go down. I'm glad. Talent wise alone, Ben deserves far more than Cutler got, but with the baggage he wouldn't bring in anything near that. I'd rather have Ben than a first rounder.