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Paul
04-22-2010, 10:27 AM
Just to keep everything organized and easy to keep up with, I'll update each pick and any trades as they happen on this first post.

Draft Picks
Round 1 Pick #24 - Dez Bryant, WR, OK ST
Round 2 Pick #55 - Sean Lee, LB, Penn ST
Round 4 Pick #126 - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, DB, Indiana (PA)
Round 6 Pick #179 - Sam Young, OL, Notre Dame
Round 6 Pick #196 - Jamar Wall, CB, Texas Tech
Round 7 Pick #237 -

Trades

1. Dallas Gets:
pick #24 (Dez Bryant)
pick #119 (4th)

New England Gets:
Pick #27
Pick #90 (3rd)

2. Dallas Gets:
Pick #55

Eagles Gets:
Pick #59
Pick #125 (4th)

3. Dallas Gets:
Pick #126
Pick #179

Miami Gets:
Pick #1 119


Past Draft Day Threads
2009 Draft Day Thread (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33138)
2008 Draft Day Thread (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21827)

Go Cowboys
04-22-2010, 11:36 AM
Let's see how it goes, My bet is we trade out fo day one all together.

Paul
04-22-2010, 11:49 AM
It annoyed me when we had to wait a couple hours after a trade down. Imagine a 24 hour wait.

Go Cowboys
04-22-2010, 12:10 PM
It annoyed me when we had to wait a couple hours after a trade down. Imagine a 24 hour wait.
Oh, don't worry, I am expecting to wait another 30 hours plus before we actually make a pick.

Paul
04-22-2010, 12:20 PM
Can this thread be stickied at all Por Favor?

leroyisgod
04-22-2010, 01:11 PM
I have us taking Odrick in the 1st and Nate Allen in the 2nd. I would like to move up in the first for either McClain or Thomas.

E-Man
04-22-2010, 01:13 PM
I see Odrick too. Allen in the first wouldn't surprise me though.

Looking at Scott's mock, if the Sheagles took Earl Thomas that close to #27, my rage-ahol would be intense.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 01:34 PM
Guys that will piss me off if we took them in Round 1.

Rodger Saffold
Chris Cook
Arrelious Benn
Terence Cody
Bruce Campbell
Vladimir Ducasse

Guys that I don't love with the pick, but could live with (great if we trade down though):

Jared Odrick
Devin McCourty
Kareem Jackson
Charles Brown
Nate Allen

Guys that would make me happy:

Earl Thomas
Taylor Mays
Golden Tate
Dez Bryant
Deymarius Thomas
Dan Williams
Rolando McClain
Kyle Wilson
Joe Haden
Eric Berry
Bryan Bulaga
Anthony Davis
Trent Williams
Maurkice Pouncey

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 01:54 PM
This is how I feel about this year's draft prospects for us.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5776/**************.png

leroyisgod
04-22-2010, 01:59 PM
Guys that will piss me off if we took them in Round 1.

Rodger Saffold
Chris Cook
Arrelious Benn
Terence Cody
Bruce Campbell
Vladimir Ducasse

Guys that I don't love with the pick, but could live with (great if we trade down though):

Jared Odrick
Devin McCourty
Kareem Jackson
Charles Brown
Nate Allen

Guys that would make me happy:

Earl Thomas
Taylor Mays
Golden Tate
Dez Bryant
Deymarius Thomas
Dan Williams
Rolando McClain
Kyle Wilson
Joe Haden
Eric Berry
Bryan Bulaga
Anthony Davis
Trent Williams
Maurkice Pouncey

What do you like about Taylor Mays?

Macarthur
04-22-2010, 02:39 PM
I like Fox with our 3rd. I think he's an uderrated guy that has started since he was a true freshman at Miami.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 02:57 PM
What do you like about Taylor Mays?
I like that he is always making plays on the field.

leroyisgod
04-22-2010, 03:03 PM
I like that he is always making plays on the field.

I just see bust written all over him. On paper and looking at him, I think yes. Just have that doubt in my mind.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 03:04 PM
I would give up our 1st and 2nd for Earl Thomas. Would you?

There is a rumor of us trading up with Miami.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 03:04 PM
I just see bust written all over him. On paper and looking at him, I think yes. Just have that doubt in my mind.
OK, tell me why.

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 03:34 PM
I would give up our 1st and 2nd for Earl Thomas. Would you?

There is a rumor of us trading up with Miami.

FOR SURE! Might have to throw Spears in there to though.

leroyisgod
04-22-2010, 03:38 PM
OK, tell me why.

If he just makes plays, then why isn't he getting projected to go higher? He only had 5 int's in his college career and 3 of them came in his freshman year.

LizardState
04-22-2010, 03:42 PM
I would give up our 1st and 2nd for Earl Thomas. Would you?

There is a rumor of us trading up with Miami.


Ummmm, yeah. Despite the bashing Thomas took from ESPN & McShay yesterday.

I would want Parcells & Co. to throw in a veteran backup OLT as Doug Free insurance though, there aren't a lot of rookie OLTs in rds. 3-7 who can help you immediately.

E-Man
04-22-2010, 05:13 PM
I would give up our 1st and 2nd for Earl Thomas. Would you?

There is a rumor of us trading up with Miami.

It wouldn't be too bad a trade right now. I think the team is set enough at most positions that they could afford to miss a 2nd rounder if they really think highly of Earl. If they didn't do it though, I wouldn't be mad. They're not really in Earl's range, so if they missed him I'm not gonna cry to the moon every night.

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 05:16 PM
Rumor is the Iggle's are trying to trade up to 12 also. Oh, I HATE Scott's draft for us!

UTPATS
04-22-2010, 06:11 PM
draft chat???/

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 06:19 PM
go here:

www.gamesurge.net

click "chat" in the top right hand corner

type your name in the box in the middle

click connect

type: /join #nfldraftcountdown

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 06:23 PM
Subscribing.

I dont really have anything to add at the moment. :)

I'm excited.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 06:26 PM
It doesn't require a subsription or download or anything... just come on down guys.

FreshBoy!
04-22-2010, 06:31 PM
Wow.

Let's go!

Do us right Jerruh!

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 06:38 PM
ET or Bust::p

FreshBoy!
04-22-2010, 06:43 PM
ET or Bust::p

here here!

KCJ58
04-22-2010, 06:44 PM
Bradford will not be a bust

SUH is the pick

Paul
04-22-2010, 06:45 PM
Bradford will not be a bust

SUH is the pick

Wrong thread?

Paul
04-22-2010, 07:52 PM
Here goes Earl

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 07:55 PM
This was so easy to call...worst kept secret in the draft, the Eagles love of Earl Thomas. I knew he would be a god damn Eagle. :(

Paul
04-22-2010, 07:56 PM
WHOA maybe not

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 07:57 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

So glad to be wrong.

Trade up Jerry.

cdub11
04-22-2010, 07:59 PM
cmon Jerry, make a move

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 08:05 PM
Damn it!!!!

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 08:08 PM
Somebody better take Dez Bryant. I dont even want him on the board when our pick comes up.

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 08:10 PM
Somebody better take Dez Bryant. I dont even want him on the board when our pick comes up.

You wouldnt want him?

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 08:14 PM
He's a fine talent...but I dont want to go WR. And I havent bought into the Bryant talk...but if he's availble, who knows what Jerry will do? I still dont think Jerry wants to go WR either...but Bryant being there, will certainly make him think about it.

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 08:17 PM
IDK if he hits 20 we might go get him. He's a big time returner too

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 08:31 PM
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3619/img5237p.jpg

Taylor Mays, we're comin' for you baby!!!

cdub11
04-22-2010, 08:47 PM
If Dez is there at 27 I think we have to take him

Paul
04-22-2010, 08:54 PM
I see our logo!

Im_a_Romosexual
04-22-2010, 08:59 PM
Dez!!!!!!!??????

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 08:59 PM
damn.

Just cut Roy already.

So long Hurd. :(

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 09:00 PM
Lovin' Life!!!!!!! Dez Is A Bad Bad Man!!!!!!

Paul
04-22-2010, 09:00 PM
I Love It.

cdub11
04-22-2010, 09:01 PM
Hellz Yeah!!!!!!!!!

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2010, 09:02 PM
I had been doing the Dez Bryant countdown now for about 20 picks. I just had a feeling it was coming. I was going for Bulaga, Wilson, and Dez, but to be honest I had a strong feeling it would be Dez a few picks before.


I am so excited!!!


I wasn't too much in favor of him before, but the fact that we have him and Austin makes me giddy like no other :D:D:D


Thank you Jerry! I really didn't want to let Baltimore steal him from us :D

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 09:02 PM
I dont think anyone here doesnt like Bryant. He's a god damn beast...I just really didnt want to go WR.

Macarthur
04-22-2010, 09:03 PM
yes!!!!!!!!!!!

Macarthur
04-22-2010, 09:04 PM
This offense now looks absolutely rediculous

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 09:06 PM
If we start Ball at FS, I'm going to be pissed. We need to trade up for Allen. haha. Just sell out.

cdub11
04-22-2010, 09:06 PM
I really wish round 2 was tonight

Paul
04-22-2010, 09:07 PM
DENVER makes it even better. lol

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 09:07 PM
Yah...One round in one day is just awful. I've been complaining about this new format all day.

yno88
04-22-2010, 09:08 PM
I really wish round 2 was tonight

Me too!

I like the Bryant pick. Anybody catch the details of the trade?

Macarthur
04-22-2010, 09:09 PM
Me too!

I like the Bryant pick. Anybody catch the details of the trade?

yeah we gave them our 3rd and got their 4th.

i'm sure we try to get back up into the 3rd

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 09:10 PM
Jerry goes sexy! I said I would be very happy or very pissed off...

Well, I'm HAPPY!!!! :D :D :D

DallCowby1
04-22-2010, 09:10 PM
Very Happy!!!!!

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by D-Unit
If Taylor Mays is available at 27, I don't see us passing him.
We Will

Dez Bryant won't be available at 27.
If he gets past 20 we will trade up

Dallas won't draft Golden Tate.
Agreed

There... 3 prediction quotes from me. More to come, I'm sure.

PAT PAT PAT

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2010, 09:13 PM
I dont think anyone here doesnt like Bryant. He's a god damn beast...I just really didnt want to go WR.

BPA. He was a top 5 talent to most and slid way too far, obviously WR probably wasn't really high on the list but you can't pass up a talent like that just because you didn't want to take a WR.


There really wasn't much of a reason to not take him. Kyle Wilson would of been the only threat, but he's still not going to grade out nearly as high as Bryant would.

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 09:15 PM
I said before, that if he was there, Jerry would certainly have to think about it, because of the value. But alas, it means the end of Sam Hurd. :(

It's not a pick you can really find fault in...it's a value pick...but a luxury pick. I really dont want Ball starting at FS.

yno88
04-22-2010, 09:17 PM
yeah we gave them our 3rd and got their 4th.

i'm sure we try to get back up into the 3rd

We've got 2nd-#59, 4th-#119 & 4th-#125.

Gonna be tough without involving future picks.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by D-Unit
If Taylor Mays is available at 27, I don't see us passing him.
We Will
TRUE

Dez Bryant won't be available at 27.
If he gets past 20 we will trade up
TRUE

Dallas won't draft Golden Tate.
Agreed
TRUE

There... 3 prediction quotes from me. More to come, I'm sure.

PAT PAT PAT
PAT PAT PAT

That's 3 prediction quotes from me. More to come, I'm sure.

hahaha :D

Paul
04-22-2010, 09:18 PM
I can guarantee you Ball will not start. Nothing really to support that really, but I'm betting Jerry doesn't want him there either.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 09:22 PM
I said before, that if he was there, Jerry would certainly have to think about it, because of the value. But alas, it means the end of Sam Hurd. :(

It's not a pick you can really find fault in...it's a value pick...but a luxury pick. I really dont want Ball starting at FS.
You love Hurd too much. Dez Bryant and Miles Austin are gonna KILL DBs!!! They will KILL Earl Thomas!!!

Roy Williams was an after thought a long time ago.

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 09:24 PM
Roy is just taking up a roster spot and money. Jerry obviously just admitted fault on that trade. I seriously hope we just cut him and eat his contract. Wont happen, but it'd be nice.

Macarthur
04-22-2010, 09:25 PM
Everyone needs to read the article that JJ Taylor did on Dez for the DMN.

HE does have some maturity issues, but I think this kid has gotten a much worse rap than what he should have.

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 09:29 PM
JJT is a douche. Just thought I'd chime in. haha. He annoys me so much, so annoying. When he's not flip-flopping or saying stupid things, he just likes to state the obvious and he thinks he's the first to do so.

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 09:29 PM
His return skills are big time too!

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2010, 09:35 PM
Taylor Mays on the Jets would be pretty nasty, as much as I don't like him. I'm sooooo glad he's not our problem :D I think that makes me even more happier about our pick lol.

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 09:35 PM
Somebody from Baltimore texted Jerry and said you just took our guy. Then they traded out of the 1st round.8)

Go Cowboys
04-22-2010, 09:38 PM
I would look for Roy to get unloaded somewhere for something in the range of a 6th round pick.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2010, 09:41 PM
Somebody from Baltimore texted Jerry and said you just took our guy. Then they traded out of the 1st round.8)

Yea you had to see that coming a mile away. Baltimore was going to take Dez, and we had to jump them to make it happen. Ultimately they wanted to trade down afterwards, but I'm shocked they moved so far back and didn't take Kyle Wilson, he was the other guy I wanted.


Jets D is going to be a monster.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 09:43 PM
Roy is just taking up a roster spot and money. Jerry obviously just admitted fault on that trade. I seriously hope we just cut him and eat his contract. Wont happen, but it'd be nice.
I still think he's tradeable. Having Dez learn for a year without being rushed is the perfect situation for him.

Roy's bonus money is completely paid off after next season. He's gone. Been saying that.

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2010, 09:47 PM
Yeah, but he's not going anywhere this year.

Jerry always talks about how it always takes a long time for receivers to develop also. So the chances arent great that they throw Dez right into the fire this year as a starter. We'd be better off, though.

Macarthur
04-22-2010, 09:52 PM
I still think he's tradeable. Having Dez learn for a year without being rushed is the perfect situation for him.

Roy's bonus money is completely paid off after next season. He's gone. Been saying that.

Yeah, I think it makes no sense to cut RW really. As long as they truly throw the competition open. It's a good situation for Dez because he doesn't have to come in an catch 70 balls or he's a failure. BUT I do think this is Roy's last year.

D-Unit
04-22-2010, 09:53 PM
I'm ready for us to draft this man next.

http://paulsabell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/r_jones1.jpg

pocketaces
04-22-2010, 09:55 PM
One thing to worry about is Dez has Crabtrees agent. He better get in camp! Wheres Bob? Must be a good pick if hes not on here railing on Jerry:rolleyes:

Im_a_Romosexual
04-22-2010, 09:58 PM
I think we go with Morgan Burnett in round 2

E-Man
04-22-2010, 10:07 PM
One thing to worry about is Dez has Crabtrees agent. He better get in camp! Wheres Bob? Must be a good pick if hes not on here railing on Jerry:rolleyes:

Hopefully dropping so far from the top 5-10 to #24 will humble him.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2010, 10:14 PM
This is why I love the Bryant pick. Somewhere like Denver, or Miami(when they didn't have Marshall) he would have to be the #1 WR, and be relied on heavily in his 1st year. We can let Dez grow at his own pace right now, and while it may not be saying much RW knows he's got to get his ass into gear legit this off-season because of the added competition.


I know reporters are going to be prodding RW here shortly asking him about the pick, looking for ways to start tension and someone will bite, but who cares. We know he's gone soon, I just love the fact that we have some good WR depth and Dez should truly blossom in his 2nd year.


Really a great pick for us considering he fell this far.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2010, 10:19 PM
Oh, and just a side note on a few other teams in the division.


Yes, I am getting much pleasure seeing how all the Giants fans absolutely hating the JPP pick :D


And as much as I think Graham is a beast, I can live not seeing Earl Thomas twice a season :D


Turned out perfect, this has been an awesome start, if we can land an impact Safety in round 2 or move up for one were in a great spot.


Still, seeing how frustrated we were last year and how positve other teams were, feels good to see the tables turned. I'm gonna enjoy Giants fans pissed off lol. Granted he's a classic boom/bust, so he could be a monster or a massive bust, but they have plenty of DE's so they could of gotten alot better with that pick.

Macarthur
04-22-2010, 10:29 PM
what do you guys think about major wright?

E-Man
04-22-2010, 10:43 PM
This is why I love the Bryant pick. Somewhere like Denver, or Miami(when they didn't have Marshall) he would have to be the #1 WR, and be relied on heavily in his 1st year. We can let Dez grow at his own pace right now, and while it may not be saying much RW knows he's got to get his ass into gear legit this off-season because of the added competition.


I know reporters are going to be prodding RW here shortly asking him about the pick, looking for ways to start tension and someone will bite, but who cares. We know he's gone soon, I just love the fact that we have some good WR depth and Dez should truly blossom in his 2nd year.


Really a great pick for us considering he fell this far.

I get NFL updates from Sprint on my phone, and one of the latest updates is a quick interview with Roy. He says that he's excited about the pick, because it gives them some of the best wide receiver corps in the league. He also said that he knows the pick is a sign for him to get his ass in gear. He sounds pretty diplomatic about it.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2010, 11:25 PM
I get NFL updates from Sprint on my phone, and one of the latest updates is a quick interview with Roy. He says that he's excited about the pick, because it gives them some of the best wide receiver corps in the league. He also said that he knows the pick is a sign for him to get his ass in gear. He sounds pretty diplomatic about it.


Good stuff. No matter what he says roy isn't a dumbass. He knows the clock is ticking on him in Dallas so he might want to get his ass into gear before he loses his job this year, or at least makes himself attractive to another team.


Works out all around. Dez doesn't have to be rushed to be relied on, and even still he'd still be the #3 option behind Witten and Austin, and Roy gets a sign clear as day that he'll have to be 10x better then he was last year to keep his job.


I'm pretty sure we'll work Dez in initially in some sets same way we did with Ogletree, but it'll be interesting to see it all play out. Nice depth at RB and WR now. Just need to address safety and interior O-line.


Wonder how fall Nate Allen would have to fall before we thought about moving up again. Depending on what safety we get, that is a position we'd be drafting a starter at, so I'd give up a 4th and a future pick if we had to.

bluebonnet78
04-23-2010, 12:15 AM
GReat day one in landing Dez Bryant for only a trade down from the 3rd to the 4th...Can't believe the Broncos and Jaguars draft. Crazy. And the Raiders actually walked away with a good first pick this year.

With WR covered, i wouldn't mind drafting any of these guys in the second (starting from most to least interest)

Charles Brown
taylor mays
Nate Allen
Rodger Saffold
Morgan Burnett
Daryl Washington
John Jerry
Bruce Campbell
Vladimir Ducasse
Mitch Petrus
Jon Asamoah
Carlos Dunlap

E-Man
04-23-2010, 12:17 AM
I'm hoping Allen really free falls too. At this point I see either him or Burnett being the next guy picked, and Mays still being on the board may increase the chances to get either guy.

This could be where teams fall in love with Mays' athleticism, and a guy like Allen may very well make it to the Cowboys in the second. One thing I'm thinking may happen would be the Cowboys trading down to to get back in the third round. Either that or a big trade involving Spears, Roy, or maybe even Barber.

bluebonnet78
04-23-2010, 12:25 AM
removed post

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 12:56 AM
Sorry MOTH, but it's official..

Source: Sam Hurd on the trade blocks

By Calvin Watkins
IRVING -- A source said Thursday night the Cowboys will entertain offers for backup wide receiver Sam Hurd.

Hurd, who led the team in special teams in 2009 with 19 tackles, hasn't developed as quickly as a receiver. Last season, Hurd caught just seven passes for 121 yards with one touchdown.

As of right now, the Cowboys depth chart has Miles Austin, Roy E. Williams, Patrick Crayton, Kevin Ogletree, Manuel Johnson, Jesse Holley and Hurd.

The issue is that Hurd wants to play on offense more and that might not happen here with the Cowboys drafting Dez Bryant.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys

E-Man
04-23-2010, 01:04 AM
I really like Hurd. He's the right type of player that the team needs. It sucks that he may have to go, but that's the game. I really wish it was someone else instead of him. The dude has a lot of heart.

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2010, 01:14 AM
Wonder what we can get. Realistically a 6th is the very most we can get, no way in hell he goes for what Holmes and Ginn did because frankly Hurd hasn't done **** yet to make a team want to give up any more.


Would I rather have a 6th over Hurd? Hell no. Granted I'd love for him to show what he has to another team, but he has way too much value on special teams and as depth to give away.

Im_a_Romosexual
04-23-2010, 01:18 AM
Love Hurd, but he has no future here. However which ever team gets him is getting a hell of a player and person.

Just needs a shot.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 01:40 AM
Wonder what we can get. Realistically a 6th is the very most we can get, no way in hell he goes for what Holmes and Ginn did because frankly Hurd hasn't done **** yet to make a team want to give up any more.


Would I rather have a 6th over Hurd? Hell no. Granted I'd love for him to show what he has to another team, but he has way too much value on special teams and as depth to give away.
With any of our players... if we can use them to move up, that has to be considered. Hurd may only get a 6th on his own... but if we use him to move up 15-25 spots, that's a great deal. ie. We could use him to move our 4th back into the 3rd.

DallCowby1
04-23-2010, 02:16 AM
Great move on the trade up for Dez!

The board is wide open as to who they are targeting with the 2nd pick. Granted Safety and O-Line are area of needs, but I expect the Cowboys to move around (trade down) today.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 02:54 AM
I saw that earlier...I really hope we find a good spot for him. The guy actually did deserve more playing time, he did everything right and yet, he got passed by Ogletree. lol. It's just not a great situation here. :( As for trade value...6th/7th perhaps...but, he did have off-season surgery so, a team may be hesitant to grab him. Maybe the Bears will have some interest in the former Northern Illinois alum. You may not love him at WR...but it really does suck to lose a player like Hurd. The attitude and the work ethic is as good as it gets.

As for Nate Allen...I sure as hell am hoping for a free fall as well, that would make this an absolutely brilliant draft.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
04-23-2010, 03:16 AM
Dez Bryant. What a geat pick this far down in the draft!!!!!! I never thought he woul fall that far.

DallCowby1
04-23-2010, 03:19 AM
I see the Cowboys Pro Shop already have #88 Bryant jersey pre-orders up!

I thought #88 or #81 if we drafted him!

Ward
04-23-2010, 03:21 AM
http://shop.dallascowboys.com//CatalogImages/18-1899-Large_Image.jpeg

Paul
04-23-2010, 03:23 AM
Gah. Why 88?

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 03:29 AM
I was hoping my Antonio Bryant jersey could become of use again! :D jk. lol.

DallCowby1
04-23-2010, 03:31 AM
#88 because of Drew Pearson and Michael Irvin!

Giving a number of a former great player(s) to the new guy. Those are the standards (on the field) they expect out of Dez Bryant!

It did not work when they gave the number to Antonio Bryant!

It's Dez turn.........

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 03:38 AM
Gah. Why 88?

They still have them in stock from when Antonio Bryant was here. :D It's a tough economy, it saves money.

edit....grrrrrrrr.....lateness. haha.

TheFinisher
04-23-2010, 07:03 AM
okay, going into last night I thought there was about a .01% chance of Dez actually making it to a trade up distance, let alone Jerry actually pulling the trigger.

this is the most psyched I've been about a pick for us in a LONGGGG time. haha i was over at a buddy's house and we couldn't believe Bryant was falling, once he got past Pittsburgh I was on edge for each pick and just waiting for Jerry to make a move. We went nuts when we saw the trade up. I'll admit I've been critical of Jerry's moves in the past, but BRAVO after last night.

Imagine the type of packages and nightmares we're going to give defensive coordinators. So much big play ability on this offense right now, I love it.

I personally hated this new format, waiting all day for one round then having to wait another 24 hours, just don't like it. But I love where we're at right now. IMO we grab the top safety available when it's our turn to pick, I'd be happy with either of them Allen, Mays, Burnett, R. Jones. Then I figure we grab O-line/D-line depth with our later picks in the 4th.

I'm a New Yorker and am gonna have a big smile on my face this morning talking trash to all these Giants fans lol.

leroyisgod
04-23-2010, 08:03 AM
The Bryant pick is a very solid one for us and we didn't give up much at all to move up to get him. And if we want to get back into the third, we have an extra fourth to do it.

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2010, 08:23 AM
I thought #81 would look sexy on him, but who gives a ****. I'm for damn sure getting a jersey.

JoeyHeisman
04-23-2010, 08:41 AM
No joke, I just got rid of my Antonio Bryant jersey like 2 months ago. Godddamnit.

Paul
04-23-2010, 09:06 AM
No joke, I just got rid of my Antonio Bryant jersey like 2 months ago. Godddamnit.

You held on to a Antonio Bryant jersey for that long?

I was hoping for 81 as well. Pave your own path Dez! I'm just being picky.

UTPATS
04-23-2010, 09:10 AM
There are a lot of guys left for the second round...

What do we do next? Who do you predict being available?

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:15 AM
Nate Allen would be a dream.

But there should be some tackles/guards sliding. Burnett will probably be available...I'd rather have Cook, though. Hopefully Houston will fall, but I doubt it.

I could see T, G, S, CB, or DE in the 2nd. Hopefully it's a safety.

UTPATS
04-23-2010, 09:20 AM
Nate Allen would be a dream.

But there should be some tackles/guards sliding. Burnett will probably be available...I'd rather have Cook, though. Hopefully Houston will fall, but I doubt it.

I could see T, G, S, CB, or DE in the 2nd. Hopefully it's a safety.

Cook at CB or S?

I liked him as well, but we have a great chance to really add some great depth with starting ability with our next couple of picks.

Paul
04-23-2010, 09:24 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a 3-4 pick run of safeties in the middle of the 2nd. It has been considered one of the deeper Safety classes in some time, so I could see teams stepping up to get one.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:24 AM
Cook can play FS.

If we took someone like Ghee, I wonder if the Newman to FS rumors would heat up again. haha.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:25 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a 3-4 pick run of safeties in the middle of the 2nd. It has been considered one of the deeper Safety classes in some time, so I could see teams stepping up to get one.

Quite possibly, Allen and Mays will probably go in the next 10 picks alone.

cdub11
04-23-2010, 09:44 AM
Bryant would look badass with 81

bluebonnet78
04-23-2010, 10:06 AM
Bryant would look badass with 81

Even better, Bryant will be wearing 88, according to DMN

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/04/dez-bryant-to-wear-no-88.html

leroyisgod
04-23-2010, 10:36 AM
I think that Jerry/Wade aren't too concerned with going after a S in the higher rounds. Ball filled in nicely last year, plus I think they want to see what Hamlin will do this year. I believe we'll draft one, just not very high. Might not see one until the 4th round or so. Me personally, I'd take one in the 3rd if we can get another 3rd round pick. I'd rather go OL in the 2nd and get some depth there.

herniateddisc
04-23-2010, 10:42 AM
Did we swap 3/4 with the Pats or simply give them a 3rd?

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 10:46 AM
I disagree...we need a centerfielder/ball hawk who can make some plays. Ball isnt going to be any better than Hamlin, he may even be worse. And Mike, while I like him, is still unproven and he's not really as fluid a guy we need at FS, imo. This team is horrible in the takeaway department and were still susceptible to the deep ball with Hamlin or Ball back there.

Safety was the #1 need coming in the draft, and it's still the #1 need. I hope we land a good one. But that being said, I wouldnt be shocked if we opt to go in the season with Ball. You could just expect to see a lot of the same things and a playmaking FS will be a top our 2011 draft needs.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 10:46 AM
Did we swap 3/4 with the Pats or simply give them a 3rd?

We got their 4th, they got our 3rd.

leroyisgod
04-23-2010, 10:57 AM
I disagree...we need a centerfielder/ball hawk who can make some plays. Ball isnt going to be any better than Hamlin, he may even be worse. And Mike, while I like him, is still unproven and he's not really as fluid a guy we need at FS, imo. This team is horrible in the takeaway department and were still susceptible to the deep ball with Hamlin or Ball back there.

Safety was the #1 need coming in the draft, and it's still the #1 need. I hope we land a good one. But that being said, I wouldnt be shocked if we opt to go in the season with Ball. You could just expect to see a lot of the same things and a playmaking FS will be a top our 2011 draft needs.

I agree with you, but feel that the front office won't go in that direction until later in the draft.

herniateddisc
04-23-2010, 10:57 AM
We got their 4th, they got our 3rd.

Thanks, b/c I had a coronary when I thought we threw away a third for 3 slots when other teams were doing this for peanuts.

Really would love to see OT, S, NT addressed.

cdub11
04-23-2010, 10:58 AM
Did we swap 3/4 with the Pats or simply give them a 3rd?

swapped..

Remaining Picks

Round 2 - #59
Round 4 - #119 #125
Round 6 - #196
Round 7 - #234

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 02:37 PM
The more I think about, the more I think we should be targeting OL in Round 2.

John Jerry would make me VERY happy! I'd settle for Ducasse as well. Saffold and Brown will probably out of reach unless we trade up, and I don't that we should trade up for them.


Trade up for a Safety... fine. But how about trading a 4th for Oshiomogho Atogwe???

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 03:08 PM
Marcus Spears tweet:

"Hey will I get traded 2day. Or will I be a Cowboy another year. Ohhh boiiii"

E-Man
04-23-2010, 03:41 PM
I'm not liking Bryant having #88. I prefer that guys carve out their own legacy with their own number. Giving Bryant #88 reminds me of them giving...Bryant #88. lol His talent is very good though, so it's no big deal. If he's as great as I know he can be, then it won't even matter.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 04:11 PM
Why didn't more of you want to jump on our IRC chat yesterday?

Only Paul, diesel, upstats, imaromosexual and I showed up.

I'll set it up again today. No registration, download required.

www.gamesurge.net
click chat
type your name in the box in the middle of the screen
click connect
type: /join #dcboys or /join #nfldraftcountdown

I'll be there late today. 30 min or so.

pocketaces
04-23-2010, 04:17 PM
Why didn't more of you want to jump on our IRC chat yesterday?

Only Paul, diesel, upstats, imaromosexual and I showed up.

I'll set it up again today. No registration, download required.

www.gamesurge.net
click chat
type your name in the box in the middle of the screen
click connect
type: /join #dcboys or /join #nfldraftcountdown

I'll be there late today. 30 min or so.

I was there, YOU wanted to leave...:confused:

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 04:33 PM
I was there, YOU wanted to leave...:confused:
At that time it was like just me and you. lol.

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2010, 04:35 PM
I was there, YOU wanted to leave...:confused:

Lol. I was at a friends yesterday and couldn't really jump in any chats, if it's pretty lively in there I will definately jump in. I'm at home today, just cracked open a heineken and will be on DC all evening.


Though I like browsing through this site frequently and reading team boards after the pick to read on how they feel about it, so I would probably be in and out. I'll jump in at 5 though and see how many people show up.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 04:40 PM
I jumped in there as well with like a bunch of guys, but no one said anything. Like reallly, anything at all.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 04:52 PM
Lol. I was at a friends yesterday and couldn't really jump in any chats, if it's pretty lively in there I will definately jump in. I'm at home today, just cracked open a heineken and will be on DC all evening.


Though I like browsing through this site frequently and reading team boards after the pick to read on how they feel about it, so I would probably be in and out. I'll jump in at 5 though and see how many people show up.
Yeah me too, but the freakin' site kept crashing... lol

Paul
04-23-2010, 05:33 PM
No Nate. No. :(

E-Man
04-23-2010, 05:36 PM
I didn't need any more reasons to hate Philly, but I have a new one. I really wanted Allen. :(

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 05:52 PM
Allen was a good target to go after, but I'm relieved they didn't take Mays. PHEW!

Allen has some serious tackling issues... dude is a drag tackler... You don't want that in your safety.

Paul
04-23-2010, 05:53 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to Linval Joseph. Just saying

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 05:53 PM
chatroom open /join #dcboys

pocketaces
04-23-2010, 06:08 PM
What do you guys think about Cody? Some people had him going in the first. What safety are we hoping for now? Burnett?

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 06:09 PM
Burnett would be the best fit, yes.

A Cody pick isnt necessary...I think it's S or OL at this point.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 06:12 PM
me and pocketaces are in the chatroom... havin' a grand ole time!!! lol.

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2010, 06:50 PM
Sean Lee? Good player, not sure I wanted him though :( Need to know more about him, but not really happy about it.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 06:51 PM
With everything on the board, I'm just shocked. We obviously really loved Sean Lee. Dont know where the hell he fits right now.

Paul
04-23-2010, 06:51 PM
Meh. See you guys tomorrow.

Im_a_Romosexual
04-23-2010, 06:51 PM
solid. Thought we'd go Safety

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 06:53 PM
INSIDE LINEBACKER!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Very happy with Sean. Told you we needed one! ;)

Lee never quits... the guy is awesome on film. SMART player after drafting a DUMB one. lol.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 06:53 PM
I wouldnt call it solid for the now...it should end up being solid, I'm sure. But wtf? With huge depth problems along the O-line and Alan Ball pegged as your starting FS.

Paul
04-23-2010, 06:54 PM
That pick really deflated my draft high.

E-Man
04-23-2010, 06:55 PM
Bye bye Bobby. Not sure many people will miss him at all. Hopefully he's trade bait to get back in the third to get a tackle or safety. I really wanted Burnett then.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 07:00 PM
Sean Lee will be a fan favorite in NO TIME. He's NO Bobby "goofy" Carpenter. Lee has NATURAL instincts... Gritty as hell. Smart! That can't be overlooked. Dude can SHED those mother ******n blockers. Love the player!

...just not sure we needed to trade up for him. I did consider him a late 2nd/early 3rd kind of guy. I think Jerry just got cute trading up just to trade up. That's disappointing... but eh.... expected. That's Jerry. :/

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 07:03 PM
I wont lie, I like him. But it's sooooooo unncessary.

Paul
04-23-2010, 07:13 PM
Q7cfc_OYcPk

Trying to convince myself

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 07:17 PM
Q7cfc_OYcPk

Trying to convince myself
I bet if you dig for 5 more minutes, that you'll be running to shopdallascowboys.com looking for his jersey! ;)

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 07:20 PM
gah. I wish we had a 3rd. I'm disappointed now.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 07:23 PM
If we were really passing on FS.

Campbell, Brown, or Ducasse. I mean come on.

I was really thinking Ducasse was going to be our guy, before we traded up.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 07:27 PM
If we were really passing on FS.

Campbell, Brown, or Ducasse. I mean come on.

I was really thinking Ducasse was going to be our guy, before we traded up.
I was thinking Brown, Burnett, Jerry, Carrington... but you guys convinced me that ILB wasn't going to be addressed... Should've listened to my gut. ;)

I don't like the value, but I like the player a lot.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 07:33 PM
We're taking players I like, but didnt want because of actually needs.

Prepare yourselves for Eric Norwood next guys.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 07:46 PM
I think I understand the trade up. I think Philly might've taken him.

Otherwise... it doesn't make sense. I graded Lee and Angerer very similarly. Lee is more athletic though.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 07:48 PM
Angerer is in no way a 34 ILB, though. The guy went to the right system.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 07:50 PM
Angerer is in no way a 34 ILB, though. The guy went to the right system.
Dat Ngyuen and Zach Thomas both played successfully in 3-4 systems. I wouldn't say "no way", but Sean is much much better for us. I love the guy. So far Jerry is making me a happy man this year. Can't say that about last year.

pocketaces
04-23-2010, 07:50 PM
Lee is a football player. He's smart, he's productive and he excels on passing and run downs. He and Williams both could play three downs. This marks the beginning of the end of Bobby Carpenter's time in Dallas, and means the clock has likely started ticking on Bradie James. In 2011, you'll likely see a Ware, Lee, Williams and Spencer unit running the field -- and running fast

BTB's take

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 07:58 PM
Dat Ngyuen and Zach Thomas both played successfully in 3-4 systems. I wouldn't say "no way", but Sean is much much better for us. I love the guy. So far Jerry is making me a happy man this year. Can't say that about last year.

Dat only really had one good year in the 3-4 defense, and ulitmately he got hurt playing in it. He wasnt really big enough. As for Thomas, he was horrible in the 3-4.

Angerer would be a square peg in a round hole in the 34.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 08:00 PM
Dat only really had one good year in the 3-4 defense, and ulitmately he got hurt playing in it. He wasnt really big enough. As for Thomas, he was horrible in the 3-4.

Angerer would be a square peg in a round hole in the 34.
I gotcha. The dude just impressed me every time I saw him play.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 08:02 PM
I gotcha. The dude just impressed me every time I saw him play.

I'm pretty sure we had this discussion before, he's a good football player, just not right for our scheme. I love the pick for the Colts.

Trogdor
04-23-2010, 08:04 PM
Lee is a football player. He's smart, he's productive and he excels on passing and run downs. He and Williams both could play three downs. This marks the beginning of the end of Bobby Carpenter's time in Dallas, and means the clock has likely started ticking on Bradie James. In 2011, you'll likely see a Ware, Lee, Williams and Spencer unit running the field -- and running fast

BTB's take

This. As a Penn State alum I watched him play and without his knee injury in 2008 he is a 1st round prospect and a future 3 down ILB. I would expect Carpenter to be moved to Miami before the end of the draft. I think this pick is more of an indictment on how Dallas feels about the available safeties.

Pros

*Tenacious, tremendous leader, unquestioned work ethic, does not miss tackles, smart

Cons

*Smallish and injury prone

pocketaces
04-23-2010, 08:07 PM
Looks like all the top rated safety's are gone. I hope were going to make a deal with St.Louis

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 08:08 PM
It probably has more to do with what they think about Ball. Assuming we dont pick up Otogwe or Sharper.

I was never that high on Burnett myself. I mean, I'd gladly take him, given what was left but...I really wanted Nate Allen. It kind of falls off from that point. We may not go safety at all. We certainly arent going to find a starter this late. Gah. I'm pulling for Mike Hamlin.

leroyisgod
04-23-2010, 08:13 PM
I love the Sean Lee pick. He'll be a solid nickel backer. Peace out Barbie!!!

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 08:13 PM
Also, obviously if we trade Spears now...it looks like Bowen will be our man. So I'm pulling for a trade. We're supposedly looking for a 4th straight up for him. hmmm. I have a feeling we're going to be disappointed with the lack of player trades...but lucky for you guys my instincts have been failing me this year. Jerry has deferred from his normal fairly predictable path.

You dont see a lot of player movement out there, though. I hope we can move some guys...and I'd love to find Hurd or Crayton a nice destination, so that they can actually have better roles. I say or...because if we move Crayton, no reason to move Hurd, unless Jerry really wants to find him a new home, where he will actually be given an opportunity. I think I would prefer that at this point. Let the guy actually compete for something, elsewhere. Spread his wings.

pocketaces
04-23-2010, 08:18 PM
Yeah seems every year we have players we want to trade but nothing ever happens.

pocketaces
04-23-2010, 08:28 PM
Maybe Reshad Jones? I know D likes him.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 08:31 PM
Hamlin can do everything Jones can. I dont really see the point. We need to tackle O-Line depth like right now.

Well, tomorrow.

edit...also, unless the Dolphins would want Carp to play some OLB again, they probably wouldnt trade for him. They just got Tim Dobbins.

pocketaces
04-23-2010, 08:32 PM
Who do you like thats left?

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 08:39 PM
Like my draft day hat??? :D

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7086/img5256e.jpg

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 08:45 PM
Bruce Campbell
Selvish Capers
Ciron Black
Jason Fox
Tony Washington
Marshall Newhouse
Mike Johnson
Kyle Calloway
Matt Tennant
Shawn Lauvao

I'd take damn near any of them...we just really need depth.

Go Cowboys
04-23-2010, 08:51 PM
I like the Lee pick, I saw a few of his games this year and he stood out in every game I saw. He makes plays, he doesn't disappear in big games, he is a great tackler, he in my opinion replaces Bobby Day 1 and I think this says something about where Jason WIlliams is in his Rehab progress.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 09:00 PM
Bruce Campbell
Selvish Capers
Ciron Black
Jason Fox
Tony Washington
Marshall Newhouse
Mike Johnson
Kyle Calloway
Matt Tennant
Shawn Lauvao

I'd take damn near any of them...we just really need depth.
Reshad Jones
Perrish Cox
Dominique Franks
Corey Wooten
Matt Tennant
Kyle Calloway
Jason Fox
Arthur Jones
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Chris Scott
Cam Thomas

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:06 PM
I was just listing O-Lineman.

As for others...Cox and AOA are still high up there for me as well.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 09:18 PM
I was just listing O-Lineman.

As for others...Cox and AOA are still high up there for me as well.
I really want Chris Scott tomorrow. I just wish we had both of our 4ths. :(

cdub11
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
Trading a 4th to move up 3 spots or whatever it was to pick Sean Lee is just baffling to me

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:25 PM
I wish we had more picks as well. We only have three more.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:27 PM
It shouldnt be baffling at all, I'm sure that would be right on par with what the trade value chart has it. 4ths arent worth much...and it was used to move up in the 2nd.

DallCowby1
04-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Just listened to the Cowboys presser!

Jerry Jones stated that he tried to move up into the top 8 of the second round, but was unable too!

The target: Sean Lee

Jones said the Cowboys had Lee rated as a 1st rd. pick!

Also mentioned the possibility of bringing a veteran(s) for depth purposes. Again, mentioning that they do have players from last years draft that did not play.

I have no problem with the Lee pick!

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:43 PM
We obviously need a veteran swing tackle. We have nothing there and you cant trust a rookie drafted this late with a role like that. We're one o-line injury away from devastation.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Jerry just wanted to get cute. One too many. Totally unnecessary... unless they "knew" Philly was going to take him. Nobody else between that pick and ours was going to.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
We obviously need a veteran swing tackle. We have nothing there and you cant trust a rookie drafted this late with a role like that. We're one o-line injury away from devastation.
I said that before. That's why I think we avoided spending a high pick on a Tackle. I really wanted John Jerry though. Can't believe Parcells made a good OL pick. LMAO.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
I would have loved a big burly G like Jerry or Ducasse....more so than the Lee selection.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
I would have loved a big burly G like Jerry or Ducasse....more so than the Lee selection.
Ciron Black in Round 6. ;)

DallCowby1
04-23-2010, 09:57 PM
The undrafted free agent group will be a good size class this year...... (12-18)?

Hope the Cowboys can find one or two players......

Trogdor
04-23-2010, 10:09 PM
I would have loved a big burly G like Jerry or Ducasse....more so than the Lee selection.

Kyle Calloway
Ciron Black
Marshall Newhouse

All guys that can potentially (other aside from Calloway I'm not a fan) of playing RT as well as G.

A guy we brought in for a visit and I would DEFINITELY not discount us taking on as a future project:

Ramon Harewood. Although a pig at 360+ during the season he has slimmed to the 330s through the draft process which shows he has the dedication to control his weight. Additionally... multi-sport athlete including soccer. Those are the kind of feet we are looking for as well as being a mammoth of a man. I would LOVE to see Houck get his hands on this type of canvas and work his magic.

CPSwagAttack24
04-23-2010, 10:15 PM
Anyone that wants Mike Hamlin starting at safety for us is smoking crack. Go back and watch his games. He sucked in college. Got burned on the reg. Inconsistent tackler. Nothing good about him... Basically why he was a 5th rd pick in a weak draft.

We should be hoping for AOA. A lot of people have projected him to play FS and he has a lot of upside. Best FS Prospect

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 10:17 PM
A lot of us do want AOA but the guy wouldnt start over Ball as a rookie. It's looking like Ball, Hamlin, or a FA. More than likely, Ball will be the starter.

edit...

there is always Otogwe, but I still think he isnt going anywhere, the Rams will pay him when the time comes.

cdub11
04-23-2010, 10:31 PM
I would have loved a big burly G like Jerry or Ducasse....more so than the Lee selection.

Agreed. Wish we would have stayed at 59 taken Ducasse and still had 2 4th round picks

oh well, we picked up a star in Dez Bryant and even though I dont think Lee is a need, he is a solid player

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 10:35 PM
AOA is totally raw as a defensive back. His only pro attribute right now is kick returning. If we start him, we're dead. Time to trade picks for Atogwe.

Macarthur
04-23-2010, 10:38 PM
Jerry just wanted to get cute. One too many. Totally unnecessary... unless they "knew" Philly was going to take him. Nobody else between that pick and ours was going to.

D, I'm not so sure about that. There were 3 3-4 teams in front of Dallas there.

JJ said they had a 1st round grade on him. I love the pick, and I love JJ's comments.

You don't just draft people because you think you have a need there. The OT's that were on the board were not worth it there and would have made no impact. There was no one on the board that would make the impact Lee will. Free is much better than any of the OTs taken outside the 1st and I'm not so sure he's not better than Bulaga.

And as JJ said, I think we will be very active in the FA market now to fill some holes.

I also like C. Black later because I think he will make a very good guard.

herniateddisc
04-23-2010, 10:39 PM
Lee pick sucked as well as the trade. He just can't help himself.

Lee will be 24 when he starts. He is already maxed out physically and has had knee injuries.

Bad pick given we already have a "similar" LB in Carpenter.

Ducasse, Brown, Cody, made more sense. Campbell made more sense but I suspect he failed his drug tests or something else.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 10:49 PM
Lee pick sucked as well as the trade. He just can't help himself.

Lee will be 24 when he starts. He is already maxed out physically and has had knee injuries.

Bad pick given we already have a "similar" LB in Carpenter.

Ducasse, Brown, Cody, made more sense. Campbell made more sense but I suspect he failed his drug tests or something else.
Campbell sucks. No other excuse. Some other prospects may have made sense as well, but you have been a big mouth wanting an ILB and Sean Lee is better than you think. MUCH MUCH BETTER apparently if you think he's similar to Bobby Carpenter.

Macarthur
04-23-2010, 10:50 PM
Lee pick sucked as well as the trade. He just can't help himself.

Lee will be 24 when he starts. He is already maxed out physically and has had knee injuries.

Bad pick given we already have a "similar" LB in Carpenter.

Ducasse, Brown, Cody, made more sense. Campbell made more sense but I suspect he failed his drug tests or something else.

You don't know what you are talking about. Lee has had 1 ACL, and the fact that you think he's similar to Carp tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about.

CPSwagAttack24
04-23-2010, 10:50 PM
AOA is totally raw as a defensive back. His only pro attribute right now is kick returning. If we start him, we're dead. Time to trade picks for Atogwe.

Understood and agree, but that is why I like him. He's a wild card. Could be a starter, could be junk.

Hamlin isnt a wildcard, he sucks. He was a long term started that has plenty of game tape to show what he is... He's a special teamer.

Ball on the other hand... I wouldn't mind. I thought he was very underrated at corner. If we stay in house, he should be the guy.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 10:50 PM
D, I'm not so sure about that. There were 3 3-4 teams in front of Dallas there.

JJ said they had a 1st round grade on him. I love the pick, and I love JJ's comments.

The pick/player was fine. Trading up? Explain that one to me so I can get clarification on what you're thinking. I don't think anyone was going to take him. My only hunch would be Philly, seeing as they are in need of LB help. But that is just an assumption.

Giving up a 4th was costly.

CPSwagAttack24
04-23-2010, 10:51 PM
I don't mind the Lee pick. Just confirms what I've thought for awhile... our ILB's need to be replaced. INCLUDING Bradie.

Brooking has been awesome, no doubt. But everyone knows retirement is coming soon. Jason Williams and Sean Lee will be the future. We just need a FS

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 11:04 PM
I don't mind the Lee pick. Just confirms what I've thought for awhile... our ILB's need to be replaced. INCLUDING Bradie.

Brooking has been awesome, no doubt. But everyone knows retirement is coming soon. Jason Williams and Sean Lee will be the future. We just need a FS
My 2nd favorite S is still available.... Reshad Jones baby!!!

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I don't know WHY you guys don't love this guy. nricic is the only one who knows what's up. ;)

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 11:07 PM
According to Scott's trade value chart...

#55 (350 points)

for

#59 (310 points)
#125 (47 points)

So we gave 357 points for 350. Pretty much the same.

Macarthur
04-23-2010, 11:10 PM
According to Scott's trade value chart...

#55 (350 points)

for

#59 (310 points)
#125 (47 points)

So we gave 357 points for 350. Pretty much the same.

If you go back and listen to Jerry's presser, they had a 1st round grade on Lee so the total value for Bryant and Lee were something like 1200 points above the value they would have gotten if they had stay put and picked their 1st, 2nd or 3rd.

I'm not trying to get on my knees for Jerry, but if you trust your scouts and your board, they did an excellent job maximizing value.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 11:11 PM
According to Scott's trade value chart...

#55 (350 points)

for

#59 (310 points)
#125 (47 points)

So we gave 357 points for 350. Pretty much the same.
Everyone should know that the chart is outdated. BUT... while I understand the value, I don't understand the cost. It's the only thing that irks me about this. I wish I was in the war room, so I could understand what the discussion was like. They must have thought for some reason or another that he wasn't going to reach him. ... cause if Jerry was just getting cute and thought he could trade up just to make noise, then that was dumb.

Macarthur
04-23-2010, 11:14 PM
D, I haven't paid much attention to Jones, but I gotta say that video clip is pretty impressive.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 11:20 PM
We all know it's outdated, no one knows the true values now but, it's not going to be much different. 4th rounders are worth nothing.

And D, you could sleep peacefully knowing he didnt make a trade just to make one. That doesnt make a lick of sense, he must have had an inkling that someone else was a threat to take him. You just gotta do what you gotta do, to get your man sometimes.

Even if it's a LB that you dont need. :D

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 11:29 PM
I'm sooooooo glad this is starting at 10 am tomorrow. Hopefully someone would be kind enough to take Spears. Then we can get another pick, to make things more exciting and finally start BOWEN!

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 11:34 PM
D, I haven't paid much attention to Jones, but I gotta say that video clip is pretty impressive.
I'm tellin' you... We should all be THRILLED if we got him tomorrow. THRILLED!!!

Even though I had an uncanny man love for Mays, I always though Reshad was better. Better than Allen, Chad, Burnett, Wright... even Thomas at times because I thought Reshad didn't have the size/durability issue.

Trogdor
04-23-2010, 11:40 PM
Not as sold on Jones. He's a big hitter who gets gifted a nice number of INTs. His ball skills (non-highlight reel) are 'okay' and he will break nicely on the ball and drop a lot of INTs. He is an excellent enforcer but he's not the kind of safety that can be trusted with a lot of coverage responsibility.

D-Unit
04-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Not as sold on Jones. He's a big hitter who gets gifted a nice number of INTs. His ball skills (non-highlight reel) are 'okay' and he will break nicely on the ball and drop a lot of INTs. He is an excellent enforcer but he's not the kind of safety that can be trusted with a lot of coverage responsibility.
I don't like the "gifted" INT analysis. Many of his INTs he went out and got it on his own by making a play on the ball. Not like he was sitting in dead space and it fell in his laps. Sure there are warts, but physically, he's ready to start from Day 1.

cdub11
04-23-2010, 11:55 PM
I could live with Reshad Jones

D-Unit
04-24-2010, 12:01 AM
Nobody else gonna post draft day pics of themselves??? I feel a little shame for sharing mine and not getting even a comment. LOL.

DallCowby1
04-24-2010, 12:04 AM
"It’s a case of doing what you should be doing, really reading your board and looking at a real distinctive player as opposed to trading down and going towards need," Jones said.

Where was this thought process last year?

Knowing how they wanted OL, Max Unger last year and they just stood still hoping he would fall to them. Then to have Seattle jump in front of them and take him.
Fast forward to now, as we see how Jones had traded up for Bryant and Lee!
Giving up just 3rd and 4th rounders to select them.

It's drafts like 2008 & 2010 that makes you think Jerry get's it! Then he pulls 2009!!! Which brought flashbacks to the 1995 draft!

Yeah, I know the jury is still out on the 2009 draft class. But they were drafted with that "Special Teams" tag that makes me cringe!!!!!

Trogdor
04-24-2010, 12:05 AM
Re-reading that sounded wrong I agree. I was inferring to his positioning / luck is a lot like the knock I've seen on Nate Allen. Physically I agree he is ready to start but mentally he is not ready to be a cover FS and even though it makes me sick to say this... I would prefer the 'safe' play by Ball which is more like playing not to get beat then to have mental lapses for long gains / TDs.

I like Jones just don't see him as what we need in terms of coverage. Every player is going to have warts too especially at this stage. I know we all value players differently I find myself leaning towards a ball-hawk coverage safety even if it comes with the premise that he struggles in tackling technique. That being said while I wouldn't be extremely happy with Reshad as our pick I could live with the potential he has with coaching =)

D-Unit
04-24-2010, 12:09 AM
"It’s a case of doing what you should be doing, really reading your board and looking at a real distinctive player as opposed to trading down and going towards need," Jones said.

Where was this thought process last year?

Knowing how they wanted OL, Max Unger last year and they just stood still hoping he would fall to them. Then to have Seattle jump in front of them and take him.
Fast forward to now, as we see how Jones had traded up for Bryant and Lee!
Giving up just 3rd and 4th rounders to select them.

It's drafts like 2008 & 2010 that makes you think Jerry get's it! Then he pulls 2009!!! Which brought flashbacks to the 1995 draft!

Yeah, I know the jury is still out on the 2009 draft class. But they were drafted with that "Special Teams" tag that makes me cringe!!!!!
I agree. Jerry F'd it up last year. Jairus Byrd would be a Cowboy if Jerry listened to me. ;)

DallCowby1
04-24-2010, 12:24 AM
Anyone think Jerry might play with the 4th rd pick? Trying to turn it into a swap of a four & possibly picking up a 5th or another 6th!

With a total of 5 picks, this (as it stands now) will be the lowest total number of picks since 2000 Draft!

I'm just saying because Jones has tossed around numbers at positions during his Thursday presser. Factor in that they have not signed a free agent!

Might as well do a Jimmy and trade down, trade down, trade down..........

One thing: Just don't trade any '11 picks away!!!!!

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 07:30 AM
My 2nd favorite S is still available.... Reshad Jones baby!!!

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I don't know WHY you guys don't love this guy. nricic is the only one who knows what's up. ;)
I like him, only concern I have is this.

It says he runs a 4.45 on the beginning screen. If that is the case he should be much faster, he looks like he has track speed and not football speed if that makes any sense.

I have seen it in my games, some guys can be track stars and run 4.4 or 4.5 and you slap the pads on and they then run a 5.0 or a 5.5. Versus some guys who run a bad 40 and in pads are everywhere.

But hey I have no problem giving him a shot if he is BPA.

herniateddisc
04-24-2010, 07:37 AM
You don't know what you are talking about. Lee has had 1 ACL, and the fact that you think he's similar to Carp tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about.

No idea, never ever ever ..... Sean Lee is nothing like Carpenter. Nothing. Nothing like Bobby.

<smile, face palm>

herniateddisc
04-24-2010, 07:41 AM
Campbell sucks. No other excuse. Some other prospects may have made sense as well, but you have been a big mouth wanting an ILB and Sean Lee is better than you think. MUCH MUCH BETTER apparently if you think he's similar to Bobby Carpenter.

Oh dear, yeah, we do need ILB but Sean Lee? ROTFLMAO.

You guys have apoplectic fits when you see Carpenter swallowed by an OG and yet here you are defending a pick of a guy who is smaller and slower than Carpenter?

Anyway, same ol same ol on this Board .... but the main point is we passed over PLAYERS WE COULD HAVE REALLY USED WHO ARE TALENTED. Ducasse, Brown, COdy to name a few. Yet, no one cares to mention that. Sean Lee -- 4th round great -- 2nd round trade up -- no.

Jerrah just can't help himself. Same ol same ol 2. If he just sat still and picked what is given he probably would do better.

Notwithstanding, we don't have many slots available with all the ST from 2009 and the current starters so at least the STRATEGY of trading up makes sense even if the actual selections are 50/50 so far.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 07:54 AM
Carp plays the game like 5.0 speed type of guy. He's a slow, finesse type, who doesnt play up to his measurables. He also isnt the surest of tacklers.

I wouldnt call Lee "excellent" at shedding blocks, like a lot of scouting reports say, but he's not bad in this department as well. As far as physicality, intelligence, anticipation, pursuit, motor, and tackling go...he's head shoulders better than Bobby. They're not really comparable. Lee is no slouch in coverage, but Bobby is probably better right now and Bobby probably offers more as a blitzer, but the two are not remotely comparable. Lee is a much better player.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 08:22 AM
Also...as far as no one mentioning the names you did...Ducasse, Brown, Cody, etc. Many already have done so and many of us agree that the pick should have been used elsewhere. I would have went with Ducasse. But at least, we got a very good player in Lee. I would be lying if I said I wasnt disappointed, but I know what I'm getting in Lee. As D said, you'll learn to love him...because he should be a good one. It just wasnt a need.

herniateddisc
04-24-2010, 08:40 AM
Also...as far as no one mentioning the names you did...Ducasse, Brown, Cody, etc. Many already have done so and many of us agree that the pick should have been used elsewhere. I would have went with Ducasse. But at least, we got a very good player in Lee. I would be lying if I said I wasnt disappointed, but I know what I'm getting in Lee. As D said, you'll learn to love him...because he should be a good one. It just wasnt a need.

I am not saying LEE is a dog who can't play -- I am saying he was not worth what we gave up given what we needed and what was available.

I am also saying LEE was not so damn awesome that one said -- can't pass him up -- which to me is the justification for Dez (too good to pass up but not what was needed).

This is not hard to understand. Their is an OPPORTUNITY COST to each pick and you try to balance them out. I have never liked how Jones does it.

Also, I don't believe for a minute Jones had a first round grade of LEE. Sounds like a big fat lie to justify b/c doing so would mean he was the only GM in the NFL who did have Lee as a #1.

FWIW, I think the Pats screwed up their draft big time and Miami is drafting "too much" to need.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 08:42 AM
I dont really buy the 1st round grade either.

But the value was good for where we got him. Just wish we had more picks, hopefully JJ will come through with some of these player personel trades.

Paul
04-24-2010, 08:49 AM
Anyone think the criticisms Jerry got last year for constantly trading down, not drafting for value, and choosing quantity over quality, influenced how he approached the draft this year? Sure looks like it to me.

herniateddisc
04-24-2010, 08:51 AM
Anyone think the criticisms Jerry got last year for constantly trading down, not drafting for value, and choosing quantity over quality, influenced how he approached the draft this year? Sure looks like it to me.

Again, classic Jerry.

Last year we passed up on some players that in comparison to what we got today ......

herniateddisc
04-24-2010, 09:04 AM
My day 3 wish list.

Thomas (NT)
McKnight (RB)
Campbell (OT)
Warren (DB)
Cox (CB)
Hardy (DE)
Sapp (OLB/DE)

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 09:05 AM
Right now I'm hoping for Campbell, Cox, or AOA.

....

As far as "surprise" picks...I wouldnt be shocked to see us go BPA and take an OLB for no reason what so ever. Or take a Clay Harbor either.

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 09:11 AM
There goes one of my favorite players int he draft. Gilyard just became a prime target for Sam Bradford.

Griffen off the board right after

LonghornsLegend
04-24-2010, 09:39 AM
Perrish Cox is still out there right? Trying not to get my hopes up but he would be perfect, returns kicks, great corner depth, I like it.


If not, it just better be an interior lineman that I can learn to like.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 09:40 AM
If Norwood fell to us, my man crush may come into full affect, even though we dont need him. I do love me some Perrish Cox as well, though. This pick can be damn near anything, especially if we keep going BPA.

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 09:48 AM
Ok, I just learned why we traded up for Sean Lee.

Jacksonville had been calling everyone in front of us trying to get him, they were going after him hard and we beat them to it with a team that seems to be a good trade partner for us lately.

LonghornsLegend
04-24-2010, 09:59 AM
Ok, I just learned why we traded up for Sean Lee.

Jacksonville had been calling everyone in front of us trying to get him, they were going after him hard and we beat them to it with a team that seems to be a good trade partner for us lately.

Philadelphia?

D-Unit
04-24-2010, 10:06 AM
Watch out for Clay Harbor here boys.... Yeah... a TE...

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 10:06 AM
We are now on Deck, Schefter just said something about Spears possibly going somewhere didn't hear where though.

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 10:06 AM
Philadelphia?
Ya, The Spencer trade is the other one that stands out but I know we have traded a few times with them recently.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 10:07 AM
He just said it may happen later in the day. No deals are in place.

As for Harbor, yup I wouldnt be shocked...I posted the same thing, a few posts up. I like him, but I sure as hell hope we dont grab him. Hell of an athlete but no room for him.

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 10:11 AM
Must be quite a heated discussion going on or we are trying to trade back.

We have taken a pretty long time in comparison to some other teams.

Paul
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Of course.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
I think Hurd just got traded to the Dolphins.

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Dolphins are on the Clock, yup, called that we traded, probably sent Carpenter and that pick for the rest of their draft.

(Wishful thinking)

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 10:13 AM
Wouldnt be surprised if we shipped Hurd and Carp their way.

Go Cowboys
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
We traded 119 for 126 and 179 (6th)


No players involved from what I can tell, too bad thought someone would be gone

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
Dammit...I wanted to trade our players.

cdub11
04-24-2010, 10:15 AM
was hoping carp was gone

D-Unit
04-24-2010, 10:16 AM
TRADE! 119 for 126 and 179


Big Board
Reshad Jones
Perrish Cox
Arthur Jones
Dominique Franks
Matt Tennant
Geno Atkins
Jason Fox
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Chris Scott
Cam Thomas

herniateddisc
04-24-2010, 10:17 AM
Great trade. Now, what do we do with it.

herniateddisc
04-24-2010, 10:19 AM
Anyone on board with Hardy with a 3-4 DE?

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 10:19 AM
Cox, Norwood, AOA, or O-Line help here, please.

____________

I really hope we dont take Harbor or Dickerson. Or even Conner this early. I want to land Conner, just not in the 4th.

cdub11
04-24-2010, 10:19 AM
anyone like Myron Rolle?

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2010, 10:21 AM
Anyone on board with Hardy with a 3-4 DE?

No. He's not a 5 tech. He actually peformed in LB drills at the combine.