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BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 03:52 PM
Just thought I'd make this one up so we can chat it up during the draft about our Pats.

Don Vito
04-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Almost time, can't believe it's been a year since I threw my phone when I saw we traded our first rounder and proceeded to get **** by a crowd of people at an Ole Miss baseball game.

IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR!!!

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 04:11 PM
Almost time, can't believe it's been a year since I threw my phone when I saw we traded our first rounder and proceeded to get **** by a crowd of people at an Ole Miss baseball game.

IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR!!!

lmao niceee dude that is a classic right there.

Nalej
04-22-2010, 04:21 PM
*fingers crossed*

Come on pass rusher!

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 04:54 PM
I'm hoping Kindle lasts, more worried about the 9ers taking him than Miami I think.

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 05:01 PM
it was reported earlier in the day that kindle was the guy the dolphins were targeting

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 05:08 PM
it was reported earlier in the day that kindle was the guy the dolphins were targeting

I read the Fins wanted Williams 1st and foremost as well. lol. I don't trust anything the media says about picks anymore.

Jvig43
04-22-2010, 05:11 PM
I really want Kindle but I dont see him lasting to us.

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 05:13 PM
Either Kindle or trade down!

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 05:38 PM
but still remain in the first

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 05:57 PM
Or High 2nd. lol. I wouldn't mind trading with Detroit or St. Louis or somewhere in there.

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 06:01 PM
if anything, i hope we get aggressive and trade up

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 06:02 PM
if anything, i hope we get aggressive and trade up

Ditto. If the Fins trade down I think you gotta leapfrog em for Kindle.

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 06:09 PM
BB mentioned he doesn't like those long gaps between picks so I think they will move around and end up with a third round pick somewhere along the line to close that gap between rounds 2 and 4.

Razor
04-22-2010, 06:10 PM
Kindle or bust!

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 06:15 PM
Ok I have made up my mind. To prevent myself from any kind of heartbreak, I am forgetting about filling any perceived needs. Needs can change quickly if a player goes down or a trade is made or whatever. So something you think isn't a need could end up being a need. Therefore, I just want to see them draft solid players regardless of position, not taking projects or gambles or... well.. or Tebow.

Let's just get some good players in here. (and if it's Kindle then that's even better)

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 06:19 PM
Tebow wearing teal.... Jags? lol

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 07:32 PM
Hate seeing Spiller to the Bills.

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 07:35 PM
Same here. I am a big Spiller fan and was hoping he'd go to a team I like, but also to a team where he could really thrive. I think he'll struggle in that weak Bills offense and in that bad Buffalo weather.

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 07:44 PM
Cannot believe Jacksonville took Alualu that high!

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 07:51 PM
Crazy Jags. Now it's getting interesting. Chargers jumping way up.

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 08:20 PM
kindle/pouncey still on the board. wouldnt mind either of these two guys

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 08:23 PM
Kindle is falling, might get em. Steelers Pouncey? Falcons Weatherspoon? Houston Wilson?

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 08:31 PM
hopefully miami doesnt trade up and grab him...

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 08:34 PM
Texans should take Wilson. I'm thinking Cincy will take Bryant.

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 08:36 PM
I actually like Bulaga a lot. He could replace Kaczur. Not sure they will or should go OT though.

Nalej
04-22-2010, 08:48 PM
Baluga wouldn't make me mad... but passing on Kindle would though

Jvig43
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
I AM SO ******* PISSED RIGHT NOW. Does anyone know what we even got?

Second trade: Unbelievable

Nalej
04-22-2010, 09:01 PM
27th pick and something else... ? Not sure

Razor
04-22-2010, 09:01 PM
No! F this ****, why must we trade down every ******* time we're on the clock!? ****!!!!!

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 09:04 PM
Man I hope Miami doesn't jump us for Kindle.

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 09:05 PM
And we got a 3rd and gave a 4th.

Jvig43
04-22-2010, 09:14 PM
Wait, so does anyone know what we got in return from Denver and Dallas?

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 09:19 PM
The Pats now have a late 3rd from Dallas and basically moved up from late to early fourth.

Kindle, Hughes, Odrick still on the board. If they take one of these guys then this all works out great.

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 09:20 PM
please take kindle new england!

Jvig43
04-22-2010, 09:25 PM
..... **** this. **** this. We could of used a ******* second on this guy.

proshoota25
04-22-2010, 09:27 PM
im so mad right now

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 09:30 PM
Never try to mock bellichick lol. I can see where they are coming from with this pick though, with all the new WR additions in the AFCE, and the ST value.

Would've preferred Kindle, but they must have their hearts set on Sapp or someone in Rd2.

Razor
04-22-2010, 09:31 PM
I'm soooo disappointed right now. CB is not a need! This is idiocy. *************!

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 09:38 PM
I am just as shocked that Miami AND NY passed on Kindle, wow. Maybe we are missing something on him.

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 09:45 PM
CB is absolutely a need! All we have is Bodden and Butler. With the improved passing games they'll be facing they need cover guys. They still need a pass rusher of course, but there are still some good ones on the board. Those guys are falling.

Jvig43
04-22-2010, 09:47 PM
CB is absolutely a need! All we have is Bodden and Butler. With the improved passing games they'll be facing they need cover guys. They still need a pass rusher of course, but there are still some good ones on the board. Those guys are falling.

We easily could of gotten a DB of equal value in the second. I cant believe Kindle wasnt picked or continued to be picked. I'm so disappointed.

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 09:50 PM
We easily could of gotten a DB of equal value in the second. I cant believe Kindle wasnt picked or continued to be picked. I'm so disappointed.

Don't be so sure. If I had said alualu would be gone at 10 or Kareem Jackson and Mccourty over Kyle Wilson, you'd likely laugh. With the way the remaining pass rushers seem to be falling, I still think we can pick one up. But who knows lol.

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 09:52 PM
Hey I'm not saying I wouldn't rather have taken Kindle. But it's looking like he's not going in the first round so maybe that's where his value lies. Kindle, Hughes, Sapp all still there plus there are other DE's and OLB's that are second round value. I'm sure they'll address the front seven soon.

luckyjackaubrey
04-22-2010, 10:06 PM
Settle down boys. Bill drafts like I make love, back and forth, take your time and don't ever let another man tell you how to do it. We may think we can make her happier but he's the one she's sleeping with.

Did you notice the subtle foreshadowing in Mayock's interview with Bill? He was sporting a Rutgers sweatshirt...isn't one of his kids involved there? Maybe he has some inside info

Nalej
04-22-2010, 10:09 PM
We could of got McCourty at 44... Taken Kindle in the first... this **** is frustrating to watch

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 10:13 PM
We could of got McCourty at 44... Taken Kindle in the first... this **** is frustrating to watch

Again, we have no idea if he'd be at 44. Saints just took Robinson, maybe he would've been the pick otherwise. I don't mind the pick, but ultimately my final judgement will depend on the 2nd round. I can understand it though from a division point of view more than anything else.

Nalej
04-22-2010, 10:24 PM
Picking a CB this high means we already gave up on Wilhite and Wheatley (4th and 2nd rd picks)
I think its too soon to give up on them... we have Butler and Bodden starting
Why draft a 5th corner?

bhyg
04-22-2010, 10:33 PM
Alualu is going to be a stud. I was so pissed he went somewhere else. I wasn't suprised just pissed.

I think what we got in McCourty is a slot corner. He's a terrific man to man corner with quick fluid hips and speed. Just what you want in a slot corner. I think you need a minimum of four starting calibur corners in todays game. There are a lot of teams that are going to have three to four good wideouts on the field at one time and if you can't cover them you lose.

I don't think they were thinking of him on the outside.

Anone agree with this assessment?

Someone will take Kindle before we pick in round two. I still think Gerhart runs like Riggins. Riggins was incredible. I am hoping that he is one of the guys we take in the second even though I really like Maroney. When Maroney is healthy he shows special ability. People who feel he is a bust should look at McFadden (who I hated). He averages 3.2 yds a carry. That is a bust. Maroney has over 4 yds a carry lifetime. He just needs to stay healthy and maybe Gerhart can help keep Maroney fresh. Gerhart can catch and block also.

There are still a couple of guards in Johnson and Asamoah and a center in Tennant. Cambell can't block my Grandmother so I don't want any part of him. BB isn't stupid enough to take him.

Kindle, Dunlop and Griffen are still out there along with Sapp.

Tate and Williams and Benn are also there and there are a slew of TE and a bunch more WR who might be good.

I won't bore you with any more because you know as much as I do, but I think McCourty was taken to play the slot receiver not necessarily the outside

Nalej
04-22-2010, 10:40 PM
The front seven needs to be addressed... I really didn't think our 1st rd pick would of been spent on anything else

nepg
04-22-2010, 10:43 PM
Kindle's got a knee injury, I hear. I was ticked when they passed on Dez Bryant, but with McCourtey, I was just dissappointed they went with such a safe pick. He really strengthens the cornerback group. They'll be able to run those crazy 7 and 8 DB sets that helped the Pats make teams like the Colts look really bad in the past.

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 10:44 PM
Alualu is going to be a stud. I was so pissed he went somewhere else. I wasn't suprised just pissed.

I think what we got in McCourty is a slot corner. He's a terrific man to man corner with quick fluid hips and speed. Just what you want in a slot corner. I think you need a minimum of four starting calibur corners in todays game. There are a lot of teams that are going to have three to four good wideouts on the field at one time and if you can't cover them you lose.

I don't think they were thinking of him on the outside.

Anone agree with this assessment?

Someone will take Kindle before we pick in round two. I still think Gerhart runs like Riggins. Riggins was incredible. I am hoping that he is one of the guys we take in the second even though I really like Maroney. When Maroney is healthy he shows special ability. People who feel he is a bust should look at McFadden (who I hated). He averages 3.2 yds a carry. That is a bust. Maroney has over 4 yds a carry lifetime. He just needs to stay healthy and maybe Gerhart can help keep Maroney fresh. Gerhart can catch and block also.

There are still a couple of guards in Johnson and Asamoah and a center in Tennant. Cambell can't block my Grandmother so I don't want any part of him. BB isn't stupid enough to take him.

Kindle, Dunlop and Griffen are still out there along with Sapp.

Tate and Williams and Benn are also there and there are a slew of TE and a bunch more WR who might be good.

I won't bore you with any more because you know as much as I do, but I think McCourty was taken to play the slot receiver not necessarily the outside

Sure I think that and a very good special teamer are what they had in mind. I think Shawn Springs is likely gone, Leaving us with a very young secondary outside of Bodden.

I don't think you can hate this pick too much as it got us some more picks in the draft. Clearly teams aren't as high on Kindle as we(posters) are, he would've been long gone if so.

It'll be interesting to see who we target, if we move up, maybe a trade with TB.

I'd love to see something like sending Adalius Thomas+53 to STL for their 2nd and take Kindle, but I doubt it. I don't know if Kindle lasts past Cleveland, but they may take a QB. I dunno, he may slide to 44, I think at least Griffen/Sapp do for sure, but it is possible for Kindle to goto 44.

nepg
04-22-2010, 10:45 PM
Cannot believe Jacksonville took Alualu that high!

The Jags are horrible at the draft. There's no justifying the pick. They have a history, remember.

Don Vito
04-22-2010, 10:45 PM
So as it stands tonight, the Patriots havenít improved their pass rush, their interior line or given the offense any new weapons. The good news is though that McCourty is supposed to be a special teams ace. Apparently special teams are the reason they gave up 24 points to Baltimore in the 1st quarter in the playoff game.


**** my life

BradysKnee
04-22-2010, 10:49 PM
**** my life

Lol I think you guys are over reacting. We have 3 2nds, a 3rd and 4th now. We'll get a pass rusher, and whatever else ol Bill has in mind. I think with the way pass rushers fell, they took McCourty knowing they'll get one at 44.

Matthew Jones
04-22-2010, 11:19 PM
Am I the only one who likes McCourty? I feel like Belichick was scared off by Kindle's character issues and lack of elite pass rush skills, and the size of Hughes. Oh well, we can still hope for him in the second. I think they might draft Golden Tate if he's left, he seems like the same type of pick as McCourty.

+ Need three corners in the division now anyways, most teams have at least three solid receivers
+ Comes from a school Belichick has a relationship with
+ Athletic and tough enough to play in the slot
+ Offers a lot in the return game and on special teams
+ Plays defense

Don Vito
04-22-2010, 11:21 PM
I like McCourty as a player but Odrick, Kindle, or Hughes would have filled bigger needs. I know pass rushers are still available and I could see Kindle or Griffin maybe falling to us, but if we didn't take them in the first I have a hunch we won't take either of them if we get the chance again and it could be like Matthews/Maualuga all over again. You can have Darrelle Revis and Deion Sanders playing corner, if the the QB has all day to throw he will complete passes.

Jvig43
04-22-2010, 11:30 PM
Maybe we are over reacting, but it sucks sitting around seeing every team in our division have the off season of their lives while we sat back and didnt do alot (Obviously signed wilfork thank god). So maybe the Pats werent sold on Kindle, Hughes Odrick, hell even Dez Bryant would of filled a bigger need then a corner. I'm frustrated right now, and I'm sure things will work out, but we need Dline OLB help. BAD.

descendency
04-22-2010, 11:32 PM
I'd have jumped on Jerry Hughes in a heart beat, but I don't know that McCourty won't be a good corner. I just think the OLB position is such a big need that I don't care who you put at DB... it won't matter. The linebackers can't sack anyone.

Wootylicous
04-22-2010, 11:34 PM
McCourty is a stud and you will witness it next year ! I love him so much !

Don Vito
04-22-2010, 11:36 PM
Maybe we are over reacting, but it sucks sitting around seeing every team in our division have the off season of their lives while we sat back and didnt do alot (Obviously signed wilfork thank god). So maybe the Pats werent sold on Kindle, Hughes Odrick, hell even Dez Bryant would of filled a bigger need then a corner. I'm frustrated right now, and I'm sure things will work out, but we need Dline OLB help. BAD.

Yeah the worst part is that all of these guys are going to division rivals. **** even Buffalo got Spiller and will have a shot at Clausen. Miami has Merling and Langford already, I don't know why they took Odrick but it certainly felt like a slap in the face. I was shocked that the Jets didn't take Kindle, he would be scary there. Maybe I am overreacting, there are still 6 rounds left, but **** when are we going to start going after some big time talent at positions of need and not dancing around what we clearly have to work on.

Don't get me wrong, I think McCourty could be nice, but it is common knowledge that we have a hole at DE and had an anemic pass rush last year and some of the best talent at those positions was available for us to pick THREE ******* TIMES!!!

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-22-2010, 11:41 PM
I like the McCourty pick...seems like a nice upgrade to the secondary. I for one am not ready to question Coach Belichick so I trust in what he does. I think Brady has the weapons to work with right now. I really think they should wait to address the WR spot until next year, remember we will have two 1st rounders next year thanks to the Raiders. I would be led to believe that the Oakland pick should be near the top of the draft and hopefully our pick is near the end of the first, and somewhere in round 1 we can nab Julio Jones, AJ Green, or Jonathan Baldwin.

As for tomorrow I would like us to look at DE, OLB, TE, RB, QB (backup - not sold on Hoyer), and OL.

Let me know if I am missing something. Hope tomorrow goes well for us, should be fun to watch!

Jvig43
04-22-2010, 11:50 PM
We didnt draft for need, and we didnt draft for value. CB isnt the biggest need, nor was McCourty the best player on the board when we picked. Idk why I am upset because this happens every year, I just am tired of not having those play making line backers, or passing on potentially great players.

TNPatsFan
04-22-2010, 11:51 PM
I really like the McCourty pick. Just listened to BB's press conference and he made a very interesting, and telling, comment. He said that even if they had stayed at 22, McCourty would have been the pick.. and also he didn't think there were many players who could play every down, first through fourth, like he believes McCourty can.

That tells us how much BB values a guy who can play all downs and not be a specialist. This has to be why we so often see him passing on guys like Hughes and possibly even Kindle, who may not be every down players to start with.

Jvig43
04-23-2010, 12:05 AM
What time does the draft start tomorrow?

Wootylicous
04-23-2010, 12:05 AM
6pm !!!!!!!!!!! 10 characters!

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 12:06 AM
What was his explanation for drafting Butler, Wheatley, and re-signing Bodden? I like McCourty and what he brings but at some point we need to realize we have needs that really do need to be addressed, I like how we are building up some youth and talent in the secondary but the front 7 is going to need more than Wilfork if we want to contend. I know I sound like a broken record but all it takes is some game tape from the regular season to see quarterbacks having all day to throw and about 10 minutes of postseason tape to see our front 7 getting gashed by the Ravens. I hope McCourty ends up being a stud and I bet he will be but I also think Odrick, Kindle, and Hughes would be stellar while filling huge needs just like Matthews or Maualuga would have last year.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 12:41 AM
A lot of good front 7 guys left.. Kindle, Sapp, Griffen, Dunlap, Wootton, Bowman, Spikes, Misi, Norwood, Gibson, Price, Houston.

Can't wait for round 2 to get started.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 12:50 AM
A lot of good front 7 guys left.. Kindle, Sapp, Griffen, Dunlap, Wootton, Bowman, Spikes, Misi, Norwood, Gibson, Price, Houston.

Can't wait for round 2 to get started.

Agreed. The initial shock of us drafting a corner has kind of worn off, McCourty looks like a perfect fit for us and I really do like what he brings to the table I just couldn't believe we went ahead and drafted a corner. He and Butler could be a really nice combo and if one of Wilhite/Wheatley steps up we will have a nice young group with Bodden in there too. We had some decent depth with the Bodden resigning so I kind of just wrote off corner as a need for the first two rounds, but that was my mistake. Whatever I think we won;t draft we usually do, I was livid with the trade down initially because I thought we moved out of the first completely and on sheer principle that would' pissed me off.

If we can go...

1. McCourty
2. Everson Griffin
2. Rodger Saffold
2. Linval Joseph
3. Anthony McCoy

...I will be very happy. I would be so unbelievably down to trade up and try to get Kindle but I doubt it happens, you never know maybe Pryor is in at DE as well.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 12:56 AM
Yeah the worst part is that all of these guys are going to division rivals. **** even Buffalo got Spiller and will have a shot at Clausen. Miami has Merling and Langford already, I don't know why they took Odrick but it certainly felt like a slap in the face. I was shocked that the Jets didn't take Kindle, he would be scary there. Maybe I am overreacting, there are still 6 rounds left, but **** when are we going to start going after some big time talent at positions of need and not dancing around what we clearly have to work on.

Don't get me wrong, I think McCourty could be nice, but it is common knowledge that we have a hole at DE and had an anemic pass rush last year and some of the best talent at those positions was available for us to pick THREE ******* TIMES!!!

How the hell did I forget about Randy Starks? Why did the Dolphins draft Odrick, am I missing something?

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 01:09 AM
This may be just a rumor but...

Sergio Kindle probably skipped in first round because of injury (http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/04/sergio-kindle-probably-skipped-in-first.html)


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Rivals.com reported before the first round of the NFL (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/NFL) Draft on Thursday that former Texas linebacker Sergio Kindle (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Sergio_Kindle) might not be picked until later rounds because of a knee injury he sustained at one point this season. Teams see him as a "serious" medical risk because of his knee, which one team said looks like it could require microfracture surgery.

The injury didn't seem to pose any problems during the BCS national championship game, however, where he posted 2.5 sacks.

Microfracture is a surgery to create cartilage in the knee when it becomes a bone-on-bone situation. It's a surgery athletes tend to have near the end of their careers, not the beginning.

Rivals.com said that Kindle's medical exams showed a series of trauma on the knee that could limit his career.

Athletes have played through injuries such as this one, but it is still something NFL teams need to evaluate before drafting someone.

Rumor has it that New England is interested in Kindle, so we'll see if they come around in the second round Friday.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 01:11 AM
Wow, didn't know about that. I don't know if that is on any of the main sections but if it isn't you could probably put that on there, strange to see that we are interested. I really do love Kindle, but you can't mess around with injuries like that. He is a huge talent, we will see what happens with him.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 01:17 AM
Yeah, it's the first I heard about it and it's curious that there isn't any other info anywhere about it. It may be not be as big a deal as the blurb is implying, or I would think it would be out there on all the media outlets. As long as it's not any major problem I'd still love to see the Pats get him.

bhyg
04-23-2010, 04:00 AM
I know it's fun to plug needs but the way to build a team is to draft the best football players. You don't pass on a guy you think is going to be a probowler because you need another position and then take a guy you think might be serviceable. If you do you then you end up with a serviceable team.

The best way to fill needs is in FA and or trades.

In the first round you can't draft someone who is a part time player...EVER. You'll be paying too much money (when the cap is back) and not be able to fill your team with enough talent.

Our base D is going to have to be a 3-3-5 or a 4-2-5 because of all the spread offenses we will be seeing. That is how the game is going. Even the TE position for most teams is basically a WR. A lot of them can't block their way out of a wet paper bag.

Let me throw something out at you guys for fun. Taylor Mays is as big (within 10 pounds) as Mayo. He's taller and faster than Mayo. What would you guys think of drafting him in round two and playing him at LB not S. Have you seen many pass rushers who run a 4.3?

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 04:48 AM
Having slept on it, I'm pretty good with the Mccourty pick. Watched some youtube on him and he looks very talented. I can't believe he is only 5'11, he looks taller on film.

The Kindle injury thing doesn't surprise me, I knew there had to be a reason he was being passed on over and over, Miami AND NY passed on him too remember.

I'm curious if Miami or someone takes him ahead of us in Rd2 though. I think a quality rusher will be there from the big cluster of them at 44 or 48 for sure though so I am not worried.

We picked up some extra picks in a great draft to move down a few spots as well, so this turned out not so bad.

AntoinCD
04-23-2010, 06:23 AM
I really dont hate the pick whe n I think about. Im disappointed they didnt take Dez Bryant but obviously he wasnt on their board. With all the pass rushers with first round grades falling I can see why they took the CB. Kindle, Griffen, Dunlap, Sapp etc are all still there. I would be extremely surprised if none of them were there by 44 especially when you consider Clausen and McCoy are still there as well as Charles Brown, Bruce Campbell, Roger Saffold etc and Benn, Tate, Williams. I think they will heavily address the front 7 today though and the value is superb in the 2nd

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 07:07 AM
Something I am curious about is, was McCourty that high on the draft board? Over Odrick, Kindle, and even Bryant? Seems pretty crazy, of course I don't know a whole lot about McCourty, but it seems that MIN and NY tried to trade up over NE for him.

Jay
04-23-2010, 07:34 AM
I think everyone in Patriots nation was pretty shocked by the Devin McCourty pick, but the more I have read about it, the more I like it. First of all, this is the guy they were taking at 22. If they didn't take him at 27, the Jets would have taken him over Kyle Wilson at 28 and the Saints would have taken him at 32. This guy was clearly rated the #2 corner in the draft by many teams. He might have even been #1.

What he brings right away is amazing special teams play. He blocked seven kicks in his career. He can do returns. He also should jump in ahead of everyone else in the slot. He is very smart, knows how to play the position, is a good tackler, has good size.

I think what this means is that Terrance Wheatley and Jonathan Wilhite are officially on notice. It is time for them to get their act together and figure out if they can do what is necessary to be NFL players.

Another thing to keep in mind: the Jets took a corner too. They have Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie. They took a CORNER! What does this tell you? Say what you want about Rex Ryan, but the man knows defense. He wanted McCourty and he still took a corner when he was gone.

Was Dez Bryant a sexier pick? Sure. But they weren't taking him at 22. McCourty was their guy. Fortunately we added #90 and moved up six slots in the fourth in the process.

Guess what, they probably aren't done moving around. There are a lot of great players still sitting there looking at us. There are 11 players that will be drafted before the Patriots go again and two of them will be Jimmy Clausen and Colt McCoy. I think it may even be safe to say that Oakland goes after Bruce Campbell. I think Rob Gronkowski goes too. That leaves seven guys to go.

No one knows what the Pats are thinking. They might not like any of the guys we do. But I am pretty excited to see what happens here because there are some outstanding guys still on the board. Linval Joseph, Jon Asamoah, Darryl Washington, Ricky Sapp, Eric Norwood, Golden Tate, I think one of those guys is a Patriot by the end of the day.

Just remember though... we're picking three times today for a reason. If they move stuff around, it is what it is.

Bigburt63
04-23-2010, 07:52 AM
The more I look at this pick, the happier I am. I was the only one in the room last night to not be wicked mad. Springs is old and only meh at this point. Butler has the chance to emerge as a start, Bodden is our number 1, and now McCourty is that third corner that is required in today's game. Think of it like this: Butler, Bodden, McCoutry, Chung, Meriweather, Mcgowan...very young secondary that can grow together and have the chance to emerge as an elite secondary...if we can get a pass rush to go with it.

Also, check out the conference call with McCourty on the patriots team website. He sounds very intelligent, articulate, passionate about the game. He said that BB watched film with him for about an hour, one-on-one after his coaching clinic. I really like this pick at this point.

Plus it is always nice to steal a local boy (Rutgers) from Jets fans.


Jay: Cromrartie is on the last year of his deal IIRC, so if he doesn't work out and they don't re-sign him then they will have 2 corners still.

luckyjackaubrey
04-23-2010, 07:54 AM
At the end of all the trading we only picked up one additional pick (the 3rd rounder from Dallas) correct? We also moved up a few spots in the 4th round. 13 picks is a lot to make. Some of those will surely be used to jump around and cherry pick more guys that leave you scratching your collective heads.

Jay
04-23-2010, 08:04 AM
Burt: That's exactly my point. You don't make the pick for your 2010-2011 needs. You make it for your needs moving forward. Sure, you have Butler a year ahead in the system and Leigh Bodden signed, but everything else in the system has a lot of question marks. They NEED three corners in this division. They have always had a solid slot guy in the background ready to step in. This is totally the way they do things. I think the guys that this really sends a message to are Wheatley and Wilhite. This puts them firmly on the bubble. Hopefully it lights a fire under their asses.

The caveat of it all is that he can contribute in other aspects of the game aside from his assigned position. So while he may not start, he will definitely have a chance to be a difference maker in other areas of need. How many times did we give teams great field position after a kick or punt last year? McCourty has a chance to make an impact there as a rookie...

nepg
04-23-2010, 08:55 AM
I like McCourtey.

The problem is that with only the first round being on day one, we don't get to see the entire picture until Friday night or even Saturday.

I love that the Pats have a 3rd round pick now. That is huge, imo.

bhyg
04-23-2010, 10:35 AM
The problem with Kindle is not just a bum knee. Word is he might need microfracture surgery. That is done to grow cartilage due to bone on bone. That is something that people get at the end of their careers. Kindle unfortunately will have a short career.

For those of you who were/are suprised about Alualu going 10...remember you heard it first here. That guy is going to be great. I think it was the best pick in the first round. Just my opinion but I really wanted him. He is special. (it'll take me a while to get over this and having Phil trade up and take Graham)

McCourty is a good corner and he will help make our secondary special. It is deep and young.

Today the PATS will fill some of the needs they have with some good players. I bet they trade a 2 and get a 3 this year and a 2 next.

Ok. have at me!

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 11:10 AM
Man, more I read and hear about Kindle's knee, the more I think we should NOT draft him.

The fact he has been playing on degrading knee cartilage is a major concern as it never heals. His knee will never be 100%. (I know this from personal experience)

If Miami or KC or whoever takes him, I'm not too pissed anymore. If he falls to 44, maybe, I don't know. That injury makes me really nervous.

Jay
04-23-2010, 11:25 AM
Reasons not to overreact the day after the draft. Ron Borges from the day after the 2001 draft:

“On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sack last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.”

FlyingElvis
04-23-2010, 11:48 AM
There are still lots of DE & OLB options left with very little left at CB, so I think the value was right for the pick. And, in true BB style, he got his guy while adding extra picks. Love it so far. OLB, DE, and OLine can all be addressed still. Crazy **** with Kindle sliding. There has to be something going on to justify it.

We easily could of gotten a DB of equal value in the second. I cant believe Kindle wasnt picked or continued to be picked. I'm so disappointed.

We could of got McCourty at 44... Taken Kindle in the first... this **** is frustrating to watch

No, we could not have. All the top corners are gone. I like Cook & Ghee but truly believe the top talents - guys who can be true studs at CB - are Haden, Wilson, Jackson and McCourty and I'm not sure there's a big difference between the 4. I like McCourty best, personally, so I'm happy with the pick.

gsorace
04-23-2010, 11:54 AM
If they didn't take him at 27, the Jets would have taken him over Kyle Wilson at 28 and the Saints would have taken him at 32. This guy was clearly rated the #2 corner in the draft by many teams. He might have even been #1.

Just curious where you got this from, because from everything I have read Rex Ryan LOVES Kyle Wilson, the Jets were even prepared to trade back and Ryan stopped them because he wanted Wilson so bad.

Jay
04-23-2010, 12:46 PM
I am positive they liked Wilson too, but they said it during the draft last night that the Jets would have taken McCourty. I don't remember which reporter specifically, but it is clear he wasn't making it to 44.

Razor
04-23-2010, 01:35 PM
Well... I was pissed off last night, but that was before I learned about Kindles knee. I still like him a alot though, and would be willing to take a chance on him in the third or so. As for McCourty, I've felt that he was the perfect fit for NE since the Combine, and a month ago I really wanted us to take him in the second. But I never considered it a possibility since we had depth at CB for the first time in years. I believe that McCourty can be an elite corner in the NFL, especially in the Patriots system. However, now I want a pass rusher! Carlos Dunlap, Everson Griffen, Austen Lane. I don't care who, just somebody who can get after the passer. It doesn't matter how good your CBs are when the QB har 7-10 seconds before the pressure gets to him. I'm really looking forward for tonight.

Bigburt63
04-23-2010, 02:11 PM
Just saw on ESPN that the patriots are expected to stay at the picks that they have in the 2nd, unless a team overwhelms them with an offer (like a 1st next year). All of this means, of course, that we will trade down twice with the first 2 picks, and trade the third one for a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year.

Jay
04-23-2010, 02:52 PM
What I like that is left:

Darryl Washington LB Texas Christian
Ricky Sapp LB Clemson
Koa Misi LB Utah
Eric Norwood LB South Carolina
Linval Joseph DE East Carolina
Corey Wootten DE Norwestern
Golden Tate WR Notre Dame
Jon Asamoah OG Illinois

If we can get ONE of those guys with the three picks (because god knows Belichick probably has someone completely random ready to go), I will be satisfied haha...

Razor
04-23-2010, 04:02 PM
Here are the players I expect BB to take a look at:

Linval Joseph, DE
Damian Williams, WR
Rob Gronkowski, TE
Brandon Spikes
Lamarr Houston, DE
Dexter McCluster, WR/RB
Ricky Sapp, OLB
Austen Lane, OLB
Sergio Kindle, OLB

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 04:39 PM
Here are the players I expect BB to take a look at:

Linval Joseph, DE
Damian Williams, WR
Rob Gronkowski, TE
Brandon Spikes
Lamarr Houston, DE
Dexter McCluster, WR/RB
Ricky Sapp, OLB
Austen Lane, OLB
Sergio Kindle, OLB

My list:

Kindle
Joseph
Tate
Griffen
Wootton
Ducasse
Sapp
McCluster

Out of it, I'd like to see Griffen Wootton and McCluster most I think.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 05:29 PM
Gah. I wanted him.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 06:01 PM
Not really sure who I would take with this next pick for the Pats. My top guys have all gone off the board.

Maybe Sapp or Spikes or Wootton.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 06:03 PM
I am happy with Gronkowski...cross TE off the board and lets get some front 7.

Wootylicous
04-23-2010, 06:04 PM
what an awesome pick !

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 06:06 PM
Well for as angry as everyone was for the McCourty pick, I am that and ten times more angry for this pick. I HATE this pick!!!!!

Ugh!! This is my nightmare pick. Him and Tim Tebow were the two guys that I wanted absolutely nothing to do with!

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 06:17 PM
Why do you hate Gronkowski?

Jay
04-23-2010, 06:17 PM
I think we all would have been happy with Rob Gronkowski at 27. To get him at 42 is great.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 06:22 PM
Take Christian Fauria, give him a bad back and a lobotomy.. and you have Rob Gronkowski.

There are a dozen other TE's in this draft that you could get in round 3 or later that are just as good as Gronkowski.

First off, it's waaaaaay to early to draft a TE, especially one that just blocks and catches a handful of 5 yard passes. He missed a whole season with a back injury. Bad backs don't just go away. I'd rather he was coming off a blown out knee. And if all that's not bad enough, the guy is DUMB AS A BRICK!!! Every time I have seen an interview with him it has made me sick thinking he could end up on the Pats.

All I can say is he better be freaking good, meaning way better than he showed in the one half decent season he had in college.

Razor
04-23-2010, 06:23 PM
I like the Gronk. He seemed very happy to go to NE.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 06:29 PM
Take Christian Fauria, give him a bad back and a lobotomy.. and you have Rob Gronkowski.

There are a dozen other TE's in this draft that you could get in round 3 or later that are just as good as Gronkowski.

First off, it's waaaaaay to early to draft a TE, especially one that just blocks and catches a handful of 5 yard passes. He missed a whole season with a back injury. Bad backs don't just go away. I'd rather he was coming off a blown out knee. And if all that's not bad enough, the guy is DUMB AS A BRICK!!! Every time I have seen an interview with him it has made me sick thinking he could end up on the Pats.

All I can say is he better be freaking good, meaning way better than he showed in the one half decent season he had in college.

You are crazy to compare Fauria to Gronkowski. Fauria was a slightly faster offensive tackle. He was so slow, and nothing special. Gronkowski can make some plays.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 06:29 PM
Coming up on pick 53. Hoping for LB or DE. Would have liked to get a WR in this round, but we gotta go defense now.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 06:43 PM
come on baby

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 06:44 PM
Interesting...might be a slight reach but I'm happy we hit the position.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 06:46 PM
Meh, Cunningham's an ok pick. I actually like him more than Dunlap, but it's at least a round early I think.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 06:55 PM
What do we do here, this could be interesting. A lot of DE's are off the board, you'd hope we look there or OL. Maybe Golden Tate or Charles Brown?

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 06:58 PM
Still gotta go defense I think. Wootton? Sapp? Gibson? I wouldn't even mind Cunningham's Florida teammate Brandon Spikes. If they go offense then I'd love a WR like Gilyard or Decker or Williams.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 06:59 PM
Yeah I'd like some more defense maybe OL, Gronkowski is good enough for skill positions this round for me.

Razor
04-23-2010, 06:59 PM
Cunningham scares me.. Boom or bust, hopefully boom...

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 07:00 PM
Cunningham is pretty consistent and has some talent, I've liked him for a while. Second round might be a slight reach but I am okay with it, he doesn't have any motor or injury issues, he has talent, and he has production at a position of need. Works for me.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 07:03 PM
Should've guessed it

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 07:05 PM
There's no way they can use all these picks they are collecting. I sense something is up. They're going to trade a third or even multiple picks for a current player. That has to be it.

Jay
04-23-2010, 07:08 PM
The Pats are working this draft like a charm. I love the moves down because all the same guys are there. Now they can take 150 and move up from 89 or 90. Belichick is so smooth.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 07:12 PM
I am really starting to like this draft, I was a little pissed at first when we took McCourty just because of other needs but now were hitting those needs and stocking up on picks. I love it, just want to see what we do next. Lots of options.

luckyjackaubrey
04-23-2010, 07:17 PM
Llike I said earlier, Bill goes down almost as well (and often) as I do! He's gonna tell you tomorrow that the guys he most coveted were third round talent (read salary). Now he can manuever in that round with all these picks and cherry pick the ones he wants. I wouldn't be suprised to See all his remaining picks to be called reaches. He backed himself to the end of the round where he can do that without being vilified.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 07:22 PM
Ducasse would've been nice lets see who we get

Jay
04-23-2010, 07:22 PM
Doc Rivers is going to be excited. Brandon Spikes is dating his daughter and he wanted the Patriots to take him. He may not be a track star but I love it.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 07:24 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Razor
04-23-2010, 07:28 PM
Brandon Spikes! YES! :D That's pure sex!

luckyjackaubrey
04-23-2010, 07:29 PM
Strong pick. I never understood how everyone like guyton on the field. When we are actually in our base 3-4 i want this guy next to Mayo.

Nalej
04-23-2010, 07:33 PM
Love Spikes in the middle... that's the thumper I've been wanting!

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 07:35 PM
Great pick at a great time. I can't complain one bit about this draft. We still have two more picks today!

Razor
04-23-2010, 07:37 PM
I'm thinking DE and WR in the third.. Hopefully we have a shot at Damian Williams.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 07:40 PM
Spikes is a great pick. I'd love to get a WR next. My guys are Gilyard, Decker, and Damian Williams. Also I think they could use another OLB like Sapp or Gibson. Not really many DE's out there now worth taking imo.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 07:41 PM
I think Decker is awesome. My fav WR left. I think Sapp will be around at 90.

Nalej
04-23-2010, 07:48 PM
I don't see why you guys want a WR... we have
Moss, Holt, Tate and Edelman (Aiken) until Welker gets back
I say we wait til next years draft and grab a stud early in rd 1 with the raiders pick
I'd love to grab R.Sapp if he's still available...

What's good with AT?! He playing with us next year?

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 07:48 PM
I don't think we do. I think next year's draft has a great group of elite WRs and we'll grab one in the 1st to replace moss.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 07:50 PM
It's best to get replacements for guys before they are actually gone. If you get Moss's replacement now he has time to gain experience before being thrown into Moss's shoes next year.

Also, our starting WR this year was Sam Aiken. Any team with him as a starting WR needs a WR badly. Holt is a band-aid at this point.

Nalej
04-23-2010, 07:54 PM
So get a mediocre WR now and then spend another pick on a stud next year?
I really don't think we let Moss go... Brady won't let that happen

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 07:57 PM
Yeah I think there's a good chance they'll hang on to Moss. But even if they do he is 34 years old.

There are some WR's available who are not mediocre. Eric Decker is a first round talent who is only dropping because of an injury.

luckyjackaubrey
04-23-2010, 07:58 PM
Gronkowski - sounds like a Bear. Let's wish him luck and hope he plays like one (Ditka). He is hopefully a bridge to Welker's return as the short option to move the chains. Big guy who can block and his best attribute is his hands? I'll take that over any of the next tier who can do either one or the other but not both.

nepg
04-23-2010, 08:00 PM
I like Decker and Carrington in the 3rd. That was masterful trading... Moving back and forth and picking up 3rd's for 6th's.

Razor
04-23-2010, 08:01 PM
I'm starting to really like this draft. Still not sold on Cunningham, but I like the other selections. Decker, Williams or Sapp would be nice in the third.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 08:08 PM
I hope Wootton falls.

nepg
04-23-2010, 08:11 PM
I hope Wootton falls.

The Patriots don't draft players that fall. They draft players before other teams have a chance to consider them. We all should know this by now.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 08:12 PM
Amazing second round, now we have 2 3rds back to back. Hopefully we can get some DL and OL.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 08:12 PM
The Patriots don't draft players that fall. They draft players before other teams have a chance to consider them. We all should know this by now.

I consider Spikes to have fallen lol. I thought he'd be gone mid 2nd.

luckyjackaubrey
04-23-2010, 08:12 PM
So get a mediocre WR now and then spend another pick on a stud next year?
I really don't think we let Moss go... Brady won't let that happen

I agree. If Pats and Raiders finish in same spots next year our two 1sts bundled together can get you up as far as picks 3-4. There will be 2-3 potential WR studs if that is what we need. I would say Moss comes back if the team is good and successful this year. not huge money or if so year to year.

After this multi year stretch of back! back! back! I foreward the motion that Bill owes us a big splash next year by packaging those two picks and bringing in top 3 talent. If we are going to breathe some life into our hold on the AFC east we need the next difference maker.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 08:13 PM
I actually really love Wootton. I'm just not sure where he would play for the Pats. He's really not big enough to play DE on the line, but he's probably too big to be an OLB, and I don't think he's every played standing up. Really good player though.

Wally03
04-23-2010, 08:25 PM
I'm sort of hoping for two of the following: Sapp, Wootton, Bruce Campbell (I realize he is all measurables to this point, for a 3rd I'd be in support of taking a chance) and Tennant

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 08:28 PM
I wouldn't mind Campbell either.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 08:40 PM
I would be OK with Campbell. I'd like OL and DL, maybe Cam Thomas.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 08:42 PM
Decker just went 2 picks before the Pats. That's the guy I wanted. I'd love to see two of Gilyard, Dwyer, Sapp, Gibson, and Wootton with these back to back picks.

Jay
04-23-2010, 08:45 PM
JasonLaCanfora

Pats will be taking Everson Griffen with one of their upcoming picks. They have a few

Must be 90 because they traded 89.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 08:45 PM
Traded this 3rd for Carolina's second next year nice

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 08:46 PM
Bitchin. That's a great trade.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 08:47 PM
Taylor Price, WR.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 08:47 PM
Taylor Price...meh. Good player but I want DL or OL

Jay
04-23-2010, 08:48 PM
No! It's Taylor Price WR Ohio. I like it.

luckyjackaubrey
04-23-2010, 08:49 PM
Two firsts and two seconds next year.... this guy must've gotten laid an awful lot in his early years...he just keeps reloading!

Jay
04-23-2010, 08:50 PM
Oh and how can you not like stealing a second next year from Carolina?

Razor
04-23-2010, 08:51 PM
Meh... Taylor Price has even worse hands than DHB. I'm sceptical about the pick. Schefter tweeted that BB had called Everson Griffen but then selected Price.. Weird..

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Price is decent. I'd rather have Gilyard.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Meh... Taylor Price has even worse hands than DHB. I'm sceptical about the pick. Schefter tweeted that BB had called Everson Griffen but then selected Price.. Weird..

Maybe they got that last second call from Carolina offering the pick?

luckyjackaubrey
04-23-2010, 08:59 PM
Oh and how can you not like stealing a second next year from Carolina?

That exactly it, I DO like that! Doesn't read that way? I think that's a great move and gives us three years running with multiple picks early, its crazy that he keeps racking these picks up.

Jay
04-23-2010, 09:02 PM
It was a rhetorical question, wasn't asking anyone specific. :p

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 09:08 PM
Schefter tweeted that BB had called Everson Griffen but then selected Price.. Weird..


Yeah maybe that trade opportunity came up at the last second. But it could mean that if Griffen lasts to their next pick, which is only like 18 picks away, they'll take him. I have not been that high on Griffen when he's been projected in the first or second round. But if the Pats got him in the fourth round that could be good.

Nalej
04-23-2010, 09:43 PM
I can see Griffin filling McGinest's role.... so I like the thought of him in the silver red and blue

ElectricEye
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Long time away.

Gut reaction to the draft; I really, really like it. We've done things to address needs. We played the system correctly, but haven't overplayed it.

McCourty is a real solid pick. Contrary to what another poster said earlier, he is not a man to man guy, or a nickel corner. He's a press zone guy. Outside of maybe Kareem Jackson, he may well be the best zone coverage corner in the draft. Perfect fit for our scheme, unlike Butler and Bodden who are more man to man type guys.

Gronkowski...awesome. Don't understand why we had to trade in front of the Ravens and Raiders to get him seeing as they have Miller and Heap respectively, unless Baltimore was planning to groom him. He very well may be the best tight end in the draft. He instantly upgrades our passing game. Doesn't have the speed Watson does, but he's a more natural tight end and has way more reliable hands. It wasn't just the passes Watson dropped, it was the times he didn't get open and the balls he gave up on. Won't a problem with Gronk.

Cunningham is a ballsy pick. Vintage Patriots. Pass on all the guys who are rated higher than him then pick the guy we like. I like him too. He ran a poor forty time, but his split was good and he was hurt. He also has a really, really good motor. Uses his hands well and doesn't get eaten up by blocks like Ricky Sapp or Everson Griffen. He can affect the play when you're locked onto him, do things against the run, ect.

Spikes....I don't love. He has a lot going for him, but he could be a massive failure because he simply isn't an NFL athlete in shorts or on the field. He's slow, lacks change of direction skills, and could get abused in coverage. But if he translates, it's a steal.

Price is interesting. Funny how we called Griffen. Would have preferred him, even though he isn't a natural 3-4 guy. Maybe we trade up in the fourth to select him. Would kind of like that.

Powerhouse22112
04-23-2010, 10:16 PM
Now that Spikes is drafted will they move Guyton outside where he belongs?

ElectricEye
04-23-2010, 10:20 PM
Now that Spikes is drafted will they move Guyton outside where he belongs?

Guyton does not in any part belong outside in a 3-4. He would get killed.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 10:22 PM
There are still a lot of the DE/OLB hybrid types available..

Sapp
Gibson
Griffen
Selvie
Lang
Wootton
Norwood
Lane


... and perhaps the best pure pass rusher of the group, Greg Hardy.

I'd love to see them get one.

nepg
04-23-2010, 10:23 PM
Gronkowski...awesome. Don't understand why we had to trade in front of the Ravens and Raiders to get him seeing as they have Miller and Heap respectively, unless Baltimore was planning to groom him. He very well may be the best tight end in the draft. He instantly upgrades our passing game. Doesn't have the speed Watson does, but he's a more natural tight end and has way more reliable hands. It wasn't just the passes Watson dropped, it was the times he didn't get open and the balls he gave up on. Won't a problem with Gronk.

The Ravens need a TE. They traded with the Raiders to get ahead of Baltimore. The Ravens were going to take him.

I love their draft. There are some positions (OL) I hoped to get addressed, but I'm not upset at all. I love the McCourtey pick, I love Gronk (if they actually use him!), I love Cunningham, and I love Spikes at that spot next to Mayo rotating with McKenzie & Guyton (******* talented young group of ILBs!).

I'm hoping they give up their 5th and/or whatever to get Griffen at the start of tomorrow. They have 4 comp picks that they have to make, they should trade the rest away and take a flier on the most gifted pass rusher in the draft (note that I didn't say "best").

ElectricEye
04-23-2010, 10:30 PM
There are still a lot of the DE/OLB hybrid types available..

Sapp
Gibson
Griffen
Selvie
Lang
Wootton
Norwood
Lane


... and perhaps the best pure pass rusher of the group, Greg Hardy.

I'd love to see them get one.

Agree completely. In the fourth, we should get one of those guys for sure. Hopefully Griffen. He's a project in a 3-4, but he has some Suggs in him if he can be made comfortable in space. Wouldn't care if we traded up to get him.

The Ravens need a TE. They traded with the Raiders to get ahead of Baltimore. The Ravens were going to take him.

I love their draft. There are some positions (OL) I hoped to get addressed, but I'm not upset at all. I love the McCourtey pick, I love Gronk (if they actually use him!), I love Cunningham, and I love Spikes at that spot next to Mayo rotating with McKenzie & Guyton (******* talented young group of ILBs!).

I'm hoping they give up their 5th and/or whatever to get Griffen at the start of tomorrow. They have 4 comp picks that they have to make, they should trade the rest away and take a flier on the most gifted pass rusher in the draft (note that I didn't say "best").

Looks that way, but I don't get it. They have LJ Smith for depth and Heap is still playing at an acceptable level. Shame we had to do it, but really, whatever.

As far as the draft goes, yeah, this finally looks like a good year. It's so funny people are calling into talk radio stations and bitching about McCourty. Just because we have a lot of corners doesn't mean we have any good ones. He's a perfect scheme fit and it's almost surprising he didn't go higher than he did. Honestly feel like he's going to be real good right away for us. It hides Wilhite to a nickel role, which is nice. As far as Gronk goes, I think we will use him. Our goal line situation was terrible last year, and Watson was ONLY ever open fifteen yards down the field. Gronk can work the short game as well as get up the seam and pick of some YAC.

TNPatsFan
04-23-2010, 10:31 PM
I still really like Ricky Sapp. He's totally a boom or bust guy but I just think he has so much potential with some good coaching and some added weight.

ElectricEye
04-23-2010, 10:35 PM
I still really like Ricky Sapp. He's totally a boom or bust guy but I just think he has so much potential with some good coaching and some added weight.

He has the ugliest "highlight" tape in history. He gets ridden out of plays completely and if he doesn't beat you with his speed he doesn't beat you at all. Plays passive and without passion or technique. He's triangle numbers, not a football player. Wouldn't surprise me if he drops into the 6th/7th round.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 10:37 PM
I still really like Ricky Sapp. He's totally a boom or bust guy but I just think he has so much potential with some good coaching and some added weight.

Call me crazy, but I think Sapp may be there guy all along and they are just making someone trade up and take him with that 'phonecall'. Maybe not and I'm over analyzing lol.

FlyingElvis
04-23-2010, 10:37 PM
I like it so far. I really don't know enough about Cunningham to knock the pick and he fills a big need. If he can be a decent contributor this year at all it will be ok with me. He'll be compared to Dunlap, Kindle and Griffen during his stay here in NE.

Spikes was a surprise to me but I'm happy with it. I had him in my sig mocks but though he'd slide. After wanting an impact guy last year at ILB and not getting one there's no way I will complain getting one now. Even if he's a two down thumper it's still a solid ILB prospect who slid a bit because of a 40 time.

I've wanted Gronkowsi so obviously that pick rocks. I don't care if he's a ******* neaderthal as long as he can get on the field and makes plays. Stay out of trouble and focus on the game. You have to love his enthusiasm. :)


Reasons not to overreact the day after the draft. Ron Borges from the day after the 2001 draft:
"On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sack last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon."

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jay again."

Powerhouse22112
04-23-2010, 10:40 PM
Guyton does not in any part belong outside in a 3-4. He would get killed.

I don't think it would be a bad idea to try out. He has the size (6 ft 3i in, 245 lbs) and stength and he is definitely speedy enough to get to the QB.

ElectricEye
04-23-2010, 10:40 PM
Potential surprise picks tomorrow; is it time to draft a fullback? If we're going to stop being a god damned crazy team, it might help to bring in a capable lead blocking instead of pretending Sammy Morris is a fullback.

I don't think it would be a bad idea to try out. He has the size (6 ft 3i in, 245 lbs) and stength and he is definitely speedy enough to get to the QB.

That's not really good size for a OLB in a 3-4. He would need five pounds to play there, ten pounds to have a shot at being any good. He's too passive for the position. He's never rushed the passer in his football career outside of the occasional blitz. Really doesn't have a position in a 3-4 outside of ILB, and he's not a good fit there either really.


Oh, forgot the best part about the Gronk pick; McShay mocked us Pitta right before we drafted him. His top tight end list didn't even have Gronk listed. That makes it so, so much better.

BradysKnee
04-23-2010, 11:07 PM
My day 3 wants for the pats:

Griffen, Campbell, Sapp, Dwyer, Wootton, Austin Lane, Arthur Jones, Eric Olsen, Andre Dixon, ZOLTAN.

I'd be happy with most any combo of those guys. Still can't believe how deep this draft is.

FlyingElvis
04-23-2010, 11:09 PM
No surprise . . . just Zoltan Mesko. Awwww yeaah!


I'd love to see Griffen, Blount, Campbell, Tennant, and I still say let's draft Tony Washington.


Edit: forgot to inlcude Wootton. :D

Wootylicous
04-23-2010, 11:22 PM
http://www.epk.com/wp-content/uploads/brandon-spikes.jpg

Oh yeah baby !

:D

ElectricEye
04-23-2010, 11:23 PM
Hell, it's the fourth round and we're not desperately scrambling to fill some need. There's high upside guys on the board, let's take some risks.

FlyingElvis
04-23-2010, 11:39 PM
^Which is exactly why you should be ok with Sapp now. :)


Him or Griffen. I'd prefer Griffen just because the kid is built like a tank and has some pass rush skills. But either guy as a potential replacement for Adalius next year, if not sooner.

Campbell would be nice.

What do we have left? (4) 113, (5) 150 and then all 7ths?

descendency
04-23-2010, 11:51 PM
^Which is exactly why you should be ok with Sapp now. :)

No. He just sucks. There is no upside. It's a mirage. Can't stop the run. No pass rush moves. Can't Shed blockers.

Griffen has potential. Sapp just sucks.

J255979-11nine
04-23-2010, 11:56 PM
No. He just sucks. There is no upside. It's a mirage. Can't stop the run. No pass rush moves. Can't Shed blockers.

Griffen has potential. Sapp just sucks.

But...but prototypical BB OLB build!!!

descendency
04-23-2010, 11:57 PM
Gkow has trouble getting separation. Kind of scared of that.

ElectricEye
04-24-2010, 12:00 AM
Gkow has trouble getting separation. Kind of scared of that.

He didn't in college. In the NFL, he probably will. But when you have his kind of size, strength, and hands you don't need a lot of separation. Jason Witten doesn't generate a whole hell of a lot of separation from defenders, but he's still a hell of a receiver. He can be that type of player. Besides, he'll run by a few linebackers. He was timed at 4.65 at his pro day, which is pretty damn good for his size.

Agree completely about Sapp. Lost cause. Griffen is salvageable, he plays football like a football player at the very least. He doesn't have a great motor, like Sapp, but he doesn't play passively either.

FlyingElvis
04-24-2010, 12:09 AM
I think I'd be happiest with any combination of Griffen / Wootton / Tennant / Blount at this point. We could even move down a bit and get 6th to secure Zoltan.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 12:10 AM
Sapp was coming off a major knee injury, plus playing out of position. Clemson was stupid to have him playing with his hand down on the line. So yeah of course he gets blocked there because he doesn't have the size or strength to play on the line.

I've seen a lot of Sapp and never seen him play passively.

ElectricEye
04-24-2010, 12:34 AM
Sapp was coming off a major knee injury, plus playing out of position. Clemson was stupid to have him playing with his hand down on the line. So yeah of course he gets blocked there because he doesn't have the size or strength to play on the line.

I've seen a lot of Sapp and never seen him play passively.

Clemson wasn't stupid to have Sapp playing with his hand down. He's done it his entire career. It's what he was brought in to do and he never really grew into the position. There's always been some excuse for the guy. You can't use the knee injury to excuse his entire career, because he never once was a factor as a pass rusher during it despite everyone wanting him to be. It's not just one year of bad tape, it's four full years of bad tape. I've seen quite a bit of Ricky Sapp too, and I've never seen him play anything but passive play and poor effort. He can run whatever he wants in the 40, he just isn't a very good pass rusher.

Zz6RKMywGE4

Highly encourage everyone to watch that "highlight tape" and get a feel for him. He can't get off blocks to save his life. You can talk about his bad knee all you want, that's purely technique and using your hands. Watch Jermaine Cunningham and then watch Sapp. Complete opposites at the point of attack.

descendency
04-24-2010, 01:01 AM
Sapp is Vernon gholston minus the ridiculous upside or college production. I wouldn't have a cow over a fourth round bust but I'd rather take someone else.

FlyingElvis
04-24-2010, 01:03 AM
Nevermind . . . I forgot we had a compensatory pick in the sixth. Zoltan must last until 205 overall . . .

What are the predictions for TEs now? Pitta, Dickson, Dickerson, McCoy are all availalbe still. Or a 7th on a kid like Peek, Byham or Harbor?


Some darkhorses that I'd like to see - guys we haven't mentioned much but are intriguing at this point:

Al Woods - A big man who could be a 5 tech DE for us and DT in 4 man fronts. A nice option for us instead of Wootton, perhaps.

A.J. Jefferson - add yet another late round CB who could be a gem. Then we wouldn't have to worry about Wilhite or Wheatley at all. ;)

Joe McKnight - Heir apparent for Faulk who can have a year or two to learn protection schemes.

Kyle Calloway - RT prospect who could be Plugged in depending on how much Kaczur's game slows through another off-season.

A QB perhaps? Skelton or Pike . . . I'm still not sold I want to add another guy there with Hoyer and Edelman as an emergency QB. Where one of them (or Kafka / LaFevour) to be added with a 5th, 6th ore even 7th the value could be too high to pass.

ElectricEye
04-24-2010, 01:21 AM
I like Calloway a lot. He's like a clean slate version of Ryan O'Callaghan. AJ Edds could be a late round option for us as well.

Arthur Jones is also a hell of a value pick right now. At worst, I thought he was a second round talent when he was on the field. Wootton is in the mix too.

As far as tight end goes, wouldn't mind keeping with the Florida motif. Hernadez is NOT a starter in the league, in my opinion. But he is a guy who could catch a few balls and give you a big play or two a year as a tight end. With Alge blocking and Gronk hopefully becoming an all around threat, that would be a nice compliment to completely refresh that position for us. Pitta would be attractive too, but there's a chance we're done drafting tight ends.

FlyingElvis
04-24-2010, 01:36 AM
Two young TEs would be nice, though. Alge is not even a lock to give us one good year, let alone more than one.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 06:54 AM
Here are my thoughts on each of New England's picks so far:

Devin McCourty: The more I think about this, the more I like it. I liked it initially, but now I really do. The Patriots traded down twice for more picks and landed a smart, athletic cornerback. I'm just glad I'm not going to have to watch Wilhite get abused anymore. I would have liked to see them draft him a little later but I think Minnesota probably would have taken him. McCourty is also a nice kick returner, which is useful. Between him and Tate we should improve substantially over Slater in that area. B

Rob Gronkowski: I love this pick so long as he passed our physical. He's a more complete tight end than Jermaine Gresham, which is important because our offense mostly uses the tight end as a blocker. Having another target for Brady in the offense is always good too, especially useful in the red zone. Definitely my favorite pick of the Patriots' draft so far. B+

Jermaine Cunningham: I have mixed feelings on this pick. On the one hand, we were able to pick up a linebacker in the first two rounds, which I was hoping would happen. However, it's not someone I had graded as a second-round pick, so I think they reached here. Still, he has good size and decent pass rush ability. I'm not too upset with it. C+

Brandon Spikes: Again, I think the Patriots reached significantly, although I'm less upset about this one because Spikes was the last real thumper we could draft and we had already drafted an outside linebacker. We could use a more physical presence on our defense. I just worry that he's going to be exploited for his lack of speed - we finally got all those slow players off our defense and now we're adding more? B-

Taylor Price: Not really a fan of this one. Belichick said that Price would have been more productive in college if he played in a good offense, so maybe he's a little bit of a sleeper. I was really hoping New England would have gone with Golden Tate at #58 instead of Cunningham, he would have been an excellent value. Price seems like he has high bust potential being pretty raw, but we did need a WR. C

Also, for what it's worth, PFT reported that New England had called up Everson Griffen at #89 before the Panthers offered their 2011 2nd round pick, so take that for what it's worth. Personally I'm a little skeptical because if they had him at #89 why not take him at #90 over Price? If New England is able to land him in the fourth round, that'd be outstanding, but I don't fault them for picking up the 2011 2nd instead.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 07:19 AM
Pretty good thoughts RoP.

I'd just add I think McCourty is going to contribute significantly this year. I think BB needed a really stud in the nickel package to shutdown opponents slot receivers as they blanket each teams #1.

Love Gronkowski. I think he's a gritty even if goofy guy who is going to have a lot of Faulk in him and come up big on 3rd downs.

Cunningham surprised me, but I can't argue too much as I thought Vollmer was a maaaajor reach last year, but they proved everyone wrong. So I'll just wait and see on this one.

Spikes was majorly under rated for his 40. Just like some players get majorly over rated. I know some people just struggle to run a 40, and just play faster. Not sure why, but they do. I think he's going to start on 1st+2nd with Mayo and that's a mean pair to run on. Great Pick

I actually really like the Taylor Price pick. This guy has sleeper written all over him. He blocks like a beast, and had a crappy QB his whole career. He gets open and plays hard. He reminds me of Welker in terms of intensity and his great blocking. I think he's going to contribute this year, and maybe even start in 2011. Our receiving Corp is in great shape.
Moss - Welker - Holt - Edelman - Tate - Price
is probably our final roster.

nepg
04-24-2010, 07:28 AM
I like Calloway a lot. He's like a clean slate version of Ryan O'Callaghan. AJ Edds could be a late round option for us as well.

Arthur Jones is also a hell of a value pick right now. At worst, I thought he was a second round talent when he was on the field. Wootton is in the mix too.

As far as tight end goes, wouldn't mind keeping with the Florida motif. Hernadez is NOT a starter in the league, in my opinion. But he is a guy who could catch a few balls and give you a big play or two a year as a tight end. With Alge blocking and Gronk hopefully becoming an all around threat, that would be a nice compliment to completely refresh that position for us. Pitta would be attractive too, but there's a chance we're done drafting tight ends.
They're bound to draft another TE or two with their comp picks. They love drafting scrub TEs at the end of the draft for some reason.

Everson Griffen would have been a major coup, but I'm happy with the 2011 2nd. New England taking him at #89 is the definition of a flier for them. They rarely go after a guy who's been sliding on draft day.

I really like the Price pick. Hines Ward-type of receiver. Will work his ass off to get better, and at the very least will be a special teams monster.

I don't think they'll go after Wootton or Jones or Hernandez. They're attacking drafters. Taking players earlier than they'r projected. Drafting players who are sliding is defensive drafting. If you're acquiring personnel for your organization, you don't want to be taking the left overs that no one else wanted, you want to go out and find workers that you want in your organization. This is why the Patriots are always perceived to "reach" on players and pass on fallers.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 08:53 AM
The problem with Spikes though is that it's a reach because he is unacceptably slow. A lot of people say "oh, the 40-yard dash isn't important as long as they're fast in the games", and you know what? I don't think Spikes looks very fast from watching Florida Gators games. He looks like a smart player but certainly not a fast one. I would have guessed he's about a 4.85 before he ran the 5.05 so it's not like he was expected to run a 4.6 based on what people saw of him on film. Belichick talked about how important it was that McCourty was a four-down player when he drafted him, and now he takes a guy who is really only a two-down player. The NFL is based around mismatches and Spikes presents an attractive option for opposing teams if he's given an assignment against a running back or a tight end in coverage because he's just not fast enough to get the job done there.

A lot of people are saying "oh, well, the Patriots filled their needs", and to that I have to say "what you mean is they drafted players at positions of need." You're only filling a need if you find a quality player, not just by drafting someone at that position. Did the Raiders fill a need at quarterback by drafting JaMarcus Russell #1 overall? Not at all - they compounded the issue by tricking themselves into believing it wasn't a problem anymore. If they had taken Calvin Johnson #1, they'd have a solid wide receiver there, and they could have waited a little bit longer and got the right guy for them.

So what I'm worried about in New England is that Belichick now thinks he's got the answer at linebacker when maybe he doesn't. Right now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt with his ability to evaluate these guys but I think Urban Meyer might have abused his relationship with Belichick a little bit to help out his program. We didn't fill needs with Chad Jackson or Jeremy Mincey when we drafted them either. Coaches often try to validate their draft picks by playing them when they're either not ready to play or just not good enough to play. I don't want to see teams beating us with stretch plays to the strong side over and over because they know Spikes is too slow to make it to the sidelines. I'm happy we have more linebackers, but I am unsure as to whether or not they're the answer everyone thinks they are.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:01 AM
The problem with Spikes though is that it's a reach because he is unacceptably slow. A lot of people say "oh, the 40-yard dash isn't important as long as they're fast in the games", and you know what? I don't think Spikes looks very fast from watching Florida Gators games. He looks like a smart player but certainly not a fast one. I would have guessed he's about a 4.85 before he ran the 5.05 so it's not like he was expected to run a 4.6 based on what people saw of him on film. Belichick talked about how important it was that McCourty was a four-down player when he drafted him, and now he takes a guy who is really only a two-down player. The NFL is based around mismatches and Spikes presents an attractive option for opposing teams if he's given an assignment against a running back or a tight end in coverage because he's just not fast enough to get the job done there.

A lot of people are saying "oh, well, the Patriots filled their needs", and to that I have to say "what you mean is they drafted players at positions of need." You're only filling a need if you find a quality player, not just by drafting someone at that position. Did the Raiders fill a need at quarterback by drafting JaMarcus Russell #1 overall? Not at all - they compounded the issue by tricking themselves into believing it wasn't a problem anymore. If they had taken Calvin Johnson #1, they'd have a solid wide receiver there, and they could have waited a little bit longer and got the right guy for them.

So what I'm worried about in New England is that Belichick now thinks he's got the answer at linebacker when maybe he doesn't. Right now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt with his ability to evaluate these guys but I think Urban Meyer might have abused his relationship with Belichick a little bit to help out his program. We didn't fill needs with Chad Jackson or Jeremy Mincey when we drafted them either. Coaches often try to validate their draft picks by playing them when they're either not ready to play or just not good enough to play. I don't want to see teams beating us with stretch plays to the strong side over and over because they know Spikes is too slow to make it to the sidelines. I'm happy we have more linebackers, but I am unsure as to whether or not they're the answer everyone thinks they are.

I think most teams think they've 'found the answer' when the draft guys early. No one ever knows, so to say that he may have not filled a need even though the drafted a guy is a bit silly to me. You never really know for awhile.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:04 AM
Having speed on defense is important and the Pats were lacking that in recent years. However, this past year I saw a defense that got beat up a lot by good offenses. As long as BB uses Spikes properly along with McKenzie and Guyton, they can be in good shape. Spikes can definitely be the Ted Johnson run stuffer type that they have been missing, and can help the defense get back to being physical again.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:06 AM
Agreed. I think BB has a role for Spikes.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:10 AM
There goes one of my faves, Gilyard.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:10 AM
Bout time Griffen went off.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:18 AM
Ok NFL Network needs to pull Mayock off the air right now. He can barely talk. I know he's your star analyst but you can't have someone with no voice painfully trying to force it out.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:20 AM
I agree. I feel bad for the guy.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:39 AM
Only about 6 more picks then the Pats are up. They should probably go RB.

At some point, maybe not yet, I'd like to see them take O'Brien Schofield. With all these picks they can afford to have a guy sit out a year and then next year you've got yourself a solid LB waiting to play.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:42 AM
I think Sapp could be the pick. Or maybe Arthur Jones

Wootylicous
04-24-2010, 09:42 AM
I want Norwood so bad !

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:45 AM
I love Norwood but I don't think the Pats will take him cuz of his size. They probably would have moved him to ILB if they did take him. I'd be happy if they got him though.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:47 AM
Wootton to the Bears. I like him a lot.

Greg Hardy is still out there. I have never been a big fan but the guy can rush the passer.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:48 AM
Wonder who NY just traded up for.

Razor
04-24-2010, 09:48 AM
Arthur Jones would be a good pick imo. Also, Ricky Sapp is worth the risk at this point.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:52 AM
Joe McKnight. I had a feeling it was RB for some reason.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 09:52 AM
Pretty mad, I think we just got sniped on McKnight. Still a lot of good players left though.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 09:52 AM
Patriots drafted Aaron Hernandez. Dammit.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:52 AM
I think that's a stupid Jets pick.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:53 AM
This is a tough part of the draft. Not really drafting to fill a specific need now, and lots of guys I like at different positions. Hard to choose.

I like Dwyer, Pitta, Sapp, Gibson.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-24-2010, 09:53 AM
******* Jets! I really wanted McKnight on the Pats.

Aaron Hernandez???

Wootylicous
04-24-2010, 09:53 AM
why god freakin damnit

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:53 AM
Wow talk about rebuilding the TE position.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 09:54 AM
I'm not that opposed to Hernandez as a good value but I don't really know how he fits into the offense. I guess he's just a player to come in on obvious passing downs, otherwise his lack of blocking ability whatsoever means he's going to be a tell if we try and work him in as an inline type of guy. We operate out of the spread a lot with an empty backfield so he'll be useful there I guess.

BradysKnee
04-24-2010, 09:56 AM
BPA on their board I'd take it.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-24-2010, 09:56 AM
Unfortunately, I really like what the Jets have done so far...is it ok to be very scared of the going into the season?

Wilson, Ducasse, and McKnight are nice picks.

Razor
04-24-2010, 09:56 AM
Hernandez?! WTF?!!?

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 09:56 AM
Hernandez is an ok pick. I'd rather have Pitta.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-24-2010, 09:57 AM
Ha, ESPN is going to love Aaron Hernandez on the Pats.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-24-2010, 09:58 AM
We love us some Florida Gators...wonder if they would have taken Tebow in round 2 had he lasted.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 10:01 AM
We love us some Florida Gators...wonder if they would have taken Tebow in round 2 had he lasted.

Belichick is operating under a BFPA strategy. Best Florida Player Available. Riley Cooper is awaiting his phone call.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 10:02 AM
Talk about a boom or bust draft. With the track record of Florida players in the NFL it's a huge gamble taking this many of them. I gotta admit it's making me nervous.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 10:03 AM
Thaddeus Gibson just went to Pittsburgh. They already have Woodley and Harrison, and they already drafted Worilds. They just keep adding pass rushers to the OLB position. I wish the Pats would do that.

nepg
04-24-2010, 10:03 AM
I like it. He'll develop into a blocker like Watson did, but he'll be great in the slot in single and 0 back formations.

Jay
04-24-2010, 10:06 AM
Love the pick. We needed TE's and he can play the H-Back as well. He's a smart kid that knows his football. He can catch the ball. He is your classic Dallas Clark/Chris Cooley type of guy. Everything they wanted Garrett Mills to be. Outstanding pick.

proshoota25
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
hernandez is a great pick. we needed talent at TE. we now have two very talented, young TEs. we shouldnt have to draft this position in the next few years.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 10:17 AM
Patriots should maybe target Al Woods in the next round. He'd be a steal in my opinion. We need some potential five-techniques.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 10:28 AM
I took Woods for the Pats in round 5 in my live mock. He'd be a good pick. Either that or a RB. There are still some DE/OLB hybrid guys that I like.

**EDIT**And I no sooner type that and Woods gets picked by the Saints

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 10:34 AM
Norwood to the Panthers. A lot of good players going off the board in this round.

Wootylicous
04-24-2010, 10:37 AM
Norwood :(((((((

Nalej
04-24-2010, 10:40 AM
I hate the waiting period in between picks

proshoota25
04-24-2010, 10:51 AM
some good players left on the board. i hope we can target sapp/dwyer/ 5 tech

Jay
04-24-2010, 10:52 AM
Well there goes our dream of stashing O'Brien Schofield.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 10:55 AM
Schofield just went to Arizona. I wanted the Pats to get him next.

Wootylicous
04-24-2010, 10:56 AM
How about Selvie in the later rounds for us ?

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 11:02 AM
Selvie, Hardy, Sapp, Lang are all good DE/OLB's to consider in these late rounds.

nepg
04-24-2010, 11:02 AM
Selvie, Hardy, Carrington...lots of options still.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 11:03 AM
Round 5 has begun. The Pats pick is 19.

Wootylicous
04-24-2010, 11:04 AM
We have 5 7th round picks ! forgot about that lol

proshoota25
04-24-2010, 11:13 AM
Selvie, Hardy, Carrington...lots of options still.

carrington was taken by the bills earlier

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 11:16 AM
Perrish Cox to Denver. I liked him.. not that we need another CB.

Razor
04-24-2010, 11:17 AM
We have 5 7th round picks ! forgot about that lol

Haha yeah... And don't forget the UDFAs! I'm really hoping for Zoltan Mesko, Austen Lane and Arthur Jones. And perhaps a QB, Skelton or LeFevour comes to mind.

EDIT: Forgot LeGarette Blount, he could be a beast!

Jay
04-24-2010, 11:18 AM
http://web11.twitpic.com/img/90846507-a1c8752387d4e31217538cfe8b888ef8.4bd3184e-full.jpg

http://web2.twitpic.com/img/90848126-cbe8808513105f22339b644904c924aa.4bd31964-full.jpg

Wootylicous
04-24-2010, 11:21 AM
God I love this guy <3333

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 11:40 AM
Arthur Jones from Syracuse is still on the board if I'm not mistaken. He could be a good DE to take a chance on. He was rated pretty highly before getting injured.

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 11:45 AM
Arthur Jones would be an interesting pick. I have a feeling it's Riley Cooper though. Best Florida Player Available (BFPA.)

Wootylicous
04-24-2010, 11:47 AM
ZOLTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matthew Jones
04-24-2010, 11:47 AM
Pats pick Mesko.

TNPatsFan
04-24-2010, 11:47 AM
And there he is

Zoltan Mesko

We knew this was coming. Good pick even if we wish we could have waited a bit longer.