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Hurricanes25
04-28-2010, 07:37 PM
The 2010 draft is over so I guess we can move on and begin discussing the 2011 draft.

This draft is stacked at some positions we may be looking at such as DE, OLB and WR.

TimD
04-28-2010, 08:53 PM
i think we may have to look at safety depending on pool and smiths play this season

Hurricanes25
04-28-2010, 09:00 PM
i think we may have to look at safety depending on pool and smiths play this season

Agreed. I don't think the saftey class will be as strong as this years was, but a senior that Im pretty high on is Deunta Williams from North Carolina. He has 12 career interceptions up to this point. He may be the ballhawk that our D might be missing this year.

derza222
04-28-2010, 09:02 PM
Awesome!! I thought about creating this thread but nobody's really been that active.

Heading into next season there are some pretty clear cut holes...I've been thinking about what position the first round selection gets used on. This should be a fun post to laugh at in about a year.

DE - A major need on this team right now. Not much depth, youth, or talent there, but Ryan seems to be alright with taking late round/UDFA types and plugging them in. I assume a lot of mocks will have us taking a defensive end, not sure if it'll actually happen. There are a TON of good 5-tech prospects in next draft...at least right now. I thought the same thing last year. Still with Clayborn, Heyward, Bailey, Crick, and Dareus there should be some solid options if the team elects to go that route. I'm not sold they will though.

FS - The other big hole heading into this season. It appears Brodney Pool is the favorite to start, with Eric Smith and even apparently James Ihedigbo have a chance to start there. But Pool is on a one year deal and neither Smith nor Ihedigbo appear to be long term options right now, though that could change as the season goes on. Donovan Warren is apparently listed as a safety also and brings an intriguing skill set to the spot, but he's got to make the roster and do a whole lot of other stuff before he should really be talked about as a long term answer anywhere besides the practice squad. This doesn't seem to be a huge premium position in the defense, but perhaps they didn't like any of the free safeties in this year's class (DeAndre McDaniel, Deunta Williams, and Rahim Moore stick out as first round possibilities right now, though I feel like I'm forgetting somebody). There are a few decent free safety prospects this year so it's a possibility, but I think like defensive end it's unlikely they go in this direction.

OLB - This position could still use an addition and appears to be a "premium" position for this defense. With Jason Taylor basically a one year rental and Bryan Thomas not producing much of a pass rush, if Ryan and the scouting department identify a rush OLB they like I think it's a definite possibility that the first rounder gets used on this position. Greg Romeus and Von Miller seem to be the big two at the spot this season, Robert Quinn could probably be a good fit as well and Jeremy Beal and Jack Crawford get some love from some places but I'd be surprised if some other pass rushers don't come out of the woodwork. All of the players everywhere who are first round possibilities are obviously incredibly subject to change at this point, a few of them will go undrafted. This probably seems most likely in terms of need and value to get a first round pick spent on it, but I question whether a good player who fits will be on the board in round 1.

RT - Is definitely something that could use an upgrade, unless Ducasse ends up on the right side in which case the need should be at LG. Damien Woody makes me sad in pass protection and I think good tackles are a priority to protect the team's investment in Sanchez. Woody's aging anyway and investing in a right tackle would give the team youth at nearly every spot on the OL. It also could have the additional bonus of potentially providing leverage in negotiations with Brick if the guy is capable of playing on the left side too. I'd imagine that'd be something in the back of Tannenbaum's mind as he determines what direction to go in. Don't see a slew of tackles I love right now, especially from the right side, but good offensive linemen tend to pop up during the year after they have good seasons. Gabe Carimi is one who I think could play well on the right side, but depending on the year he and the Jets have they may not be in a position to draft him. Think this may be the second most likely position the first rounder gets used on, but again value is going to be a question. You know that this staff prioritizes having hogs on the offensive line to run the ball behind though.

CB - Always a possibility with Ryan! If Cromartie either busts or doesn't get retained after the season, a third corner is going to be important. And if Wilson doesn't prove he can handle playing on the outside, which shouldn't be an issue but who knows, finding a #2 corner is an even bigger priority. Lots of good corners this year, Peterson is obviously the big one and then there's a boatload of other guys after him. The rankings should shuffle a lot between now and the draft since it seems a lot of the corners have some flaws. With this team a corner is always a possibility though, unless we have 3 players under contract through the following season I wouldn't rule it out.

WR - Obviously this position depends a lot on what happens with Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards. If neither is retained, which is probably possible, then finding a #1 wideout for Sanchez would be nice. Between Jones, Green, Baldwin, Floyd, and others this WR class should be lovely, so if it's a need they should be able to address it with a really good player. I hope it isn't though, as it'd be better to use picks on other positions (especially the defensive side, oddly enough).

NT - This is kind of a sleeper position and I'm not sure where to put it. With Jenkins' injury issues Jets fans have been talking about adding a NT for awhile now, at the very least as a successor. Pouha played very well as a sub last year, but if Jenks goes down again this year he's getting older and somebody else should be brought in. What I can't tell is how much of a premium position this is for the organization, since it didn't make a ton of sense to take one in the first or second rounds this year. It could be a very important one in which case if Jenks is hurt this shoots up to the top of the needs list IMO, but it's kind of questionable for me right now. Jerrell Powe is the popular NT prospect right now. Should be addressed at some point depending on what Jenks does, but I'm not sure what happens here.

Other positions are ILB (depth maybe mid-late rounds), TE (blocker mid-late rounds?), QB (backup mid-late rounds?), RB (seems like they always want more there, just like corner, and there could be depth concerns because Greene and McKnight might get dinged up but I doubt it's a first round need), FB (all set barring something catastrophic), SS (most of the safeties on the roster should be playing there so I think it'll be ok), and then G, LT, and C which should hopefully be set although I could see bringing in a guard to develop.


Well again this should be way off but that's my thoughts on where our first round pick ends up. Who are some of everyone's favorite prospects this year?

gsorace
04-29-2010, 12:38 PM
You guys think Allen Bailey will be available at pick #32?

Crickett
04-29-2010, 12:45 PM
You guys think Allen Bailey will be available at pick #32?

I wouldn't bet on it, but given a full college season between now and the 2011 draft, anything can happen.

I remember when Vince Wilfork was a possibility for the #1 overall pick.




It was directly after the 2003 draft. :)

SenorGato
05-09-2010, 11:54 AM
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= new DL ftw.

Hurricanes25
09-14-2010, 02:51 PM
With Jenkins' injury and a possible retirement, NT just became our biggest need, imo.
Senior Prospects
Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss
Kenrick Ellis, Hampton
Phil Taylor, Baylor

These guys seem to be the top senior NT prospects. I don't know much about Ellis(seems very intriguing) or Taylor but Powe is an animal.

derza222
09-14-2010, 08:41 PM
It's really early, but right now I think offense is the way to go. Last year the team managed to do alright with Jenks out, and the defense seems to be able to plug guys in and chug along. Defensive backs seem to be somewhat more important, but the front 7 in particular seems to be something where they can take mid-late round guys, even UDFA's, and have success.

Based on that and the fact that the offense is crap right now, I think an offensive guy is the way to go. A few options there. I think LG and RT are both weaknesses, so depending on Ducasse's progress and long-term spot those would be great to address. Also given only one of Edwards and Holmes will be re-signed at best a WR could make sense, 3rd WR for a couple years till J-Co moves on and then a starter. Finally given they like to pound the rock, I'd love a gamebreaker in the backfield. Not sure that kind of RB is really in this draft, but somebody who can catch it out of the backfield and create big plays would be nice.

I'd love a NT too, just seems like a need that won't get addressed early based on how Ryan's defense works and the way the staff likes to draft.

SenorGato
10-01-2010, 11:12 PM
Oh they'll definitely try to develop the offense more around Sanchez, and you have the draft strategy nailed.

I still think getting a stud DL should be a top priority in the offseason. This D would be scary with one.

derza222
10-02-2010, 12:21 PM
Oh they'll definitely try to develop the offense more around Sanchez, and you have the draft strategy nailed.

I still think getting a stud DL should be a top priority in the offseason. This D would be scary with one.

Oh absolutely, a dominant DL would be great. Isn't Ngata a FA soon? Definitely a pipe dream, but he and Rex are obviously familiar with each other. To get a guy in the draft I think they'll have to overlook something - I'm guessing a guy with less than ideal height/length for a 5-tech or a NT where people get concerned about weight. Maybe Clayborn slips too, though his use of that bad arm kind of bothers me. Otherwise those perfect tweeners will hopefully be long gone before the Jets pick.

Speaking of things I'd like on defense, a playmaking safety would be awesome with that front 7 and some nice corner play, could roam around and really make some big plays if the right guy ended up in the scheme. There are just so many possibilities right now, not a lot of positions would really surprise me. Depending on how things play out I could see almost any position defensively, and RT/G or WR would make a lot of sense on offense depending on how things go the rest of the year. I'm sure it'll become more clear, but it should be a fun draft next year.

SenorGato
10-13-2010, 09:06 PM
Safety should be Mark Barron ftw.

ChefMike
12-03-2010, 10:28 AM
Oh absolutely, a dominant DL would be great. Isn't Ngata a FA soon? Definitely a pipe dream, but he and Rex are obviously familiar with each other. To get a guy in the draft I think they'll have to overlook something - I'm guessing a guy with less than ideal height/length for a 5-tech or a NT where people get concerned about weight. Maybe Clayborn slips too, though his use of that bad arm kind of bothers me. Otherwise those perfect tweeners will hopefully be long gone before the Jets pick.

Speaking of things I'd like on defense, a playmaking safety would be awesome with that front 7 and some nice corner play, could roam around and really make some big plays if the right guy ended up in the scheme. There are just so many possibilities right now, not a lot of positions would really surprise me. Depending on how things play out I could see almost any position defensively, and RT/G or WR would make a lot of sense on offense depending on how things go the rest of the year. I'm sure it'll become more clear, but it should be a fun draft next year.

That's beyond a pipe dream... not only has he been a fan favorite since he arrived in Baltimore he has said on numerous occasions he wants to be there long term. Keep dreaming on getting him up in NY

You guys need very little help on Offense but you need some DL and LB's to compliment your outstanding secondary... IMO

BroadwayJoe10
12-10-2010, 11:44 AM
Cameron Heyward/Jordan are pretty ideal picks, here's to hoping Adrian Clayborn falls. Rex loves his DBs and blitzing with them in his scheme, however it is becoming much too easy to block as of late and it's been pretty evident that we need a pass rush from our DE or OLB spots.

Hurricanes25
12-22-2010, 01:56 PM
I had the Jets in the forum mock and here's what I did:

26. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami (FL)
58. Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU
122. Steven Friday, OLB, Virginia Tech
154. Graig Cooper, RB, Miami (FL)

Looking back, I should have taken JJ Watt instead of Allen Bailey. I just really like Bailey's versatility and that would help us out in our 4-3 sets.

Matt Reynolds is one of the better eligible RT's available in this years draft so I was very happy that he fell to me. He comes in right away and takes over for the declining Damian Woody.

I was very happy to get Steven Friday at the end of the 4th. He's a guy that will move up draft boards as the draft approaches. He probably gives us a better pass rushing option than Bryan Thomas.

Cooper gives us explosiveness out of the backfield, something McKnight should be doing.

SenorGato
12-26-2010, 12:28 AM
Don't like Bailey and no need to go with a OT in round 2...Ducasse is the RT of the future IMO.

I really would like to grab one of the DL. Mohamed Wilkerson and Cameron Heyward are my two favorite 3-4 DE prospects.

Flaming Mo
01-07-2011, 09:49 AM
Jets should go heavily on defense in the upcoming draft. Sanchez is set as is most of the offensive line. Even if Woody doesnt come back, Hunter has been terrific replacing him and there is still Ducasse in the wings. Greene and McKnight is a young backfield. Between Keller, Holmes, Edwards and Cotchery there are plenty of receiving options and a lot of talent to throw to, even if Edwards or Holmes leave. A WR or TE can easily be found in the later rounds or in free agency.

On defense though the Jets not only lack athletisism but also speed and young talent up front. Ellis is on his last legs, Taylor, BT and Pace have been abysmal rushing the passer for most of the year and the safety play has also been terrible. Sure, the defense was still good but not up to Rex standards. At DE there are plenty of players available (Watt, Jordan, Heyward, Bailey, Guy, Ballard) and there also seem to be some nice NT prospects in the draft like Powe or Taylor. At safety the team needs a true ballhawk who can cover a lot of ground.

timewaster
01-14-2011, 12:11 AM
I watched some highlights of Jeremy Beal earlier. Think he is just what we need.

Hurricanes25
01-14-2011, 02:21 PM
I watched some highlights of Jeremy Beal earlier. Think he is just what we need.

Beal is an interesting guy. Pretty good pass rusher and pretty good against the run as well. I hope we give him a look at the end of the 1st.

derza222
01-14-2011, 02:27 PM
So many things have to shake out before we even have any idea who's going to be there late in the first...Beal's interesting because he's been really productive and can impact the game in both phases like you've said. He's got a little experience standing up too. Not sure if he's that explosive though, he almost strikes me as more of a second round guy than a late first, and we don't have that second. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just doesn't look like a first round pass rusher to me. Unless a safety rises or something unexpected happens like both WR's leaving, I'd definitely like a DL or OLB in the first though. With all of the 5 tech's in the draft somebody could slip, think you're going to get a better value there than with a pass rusher. I'm with Mo on this one, defense definitely needs an infusion of talent. If we can keep the offense together and maybe tweak a couple of minor things that'd be nice, but Rex needs some more talent to work with on the defensive side of the ball.

Hurricanes25
01-14-2011, 02:31 PM
You make a good point Derza. Beal isn't exactly an "elite" pass rusher. He is probably more of a #2 guy than somebody who will be leading a team in sacks.

derza222
01-14-2011, 03:51 PM
You make a good point Derza. Beal isn't exactly an "elite" pass rusher. He is probably more of a #2 guy than somebody who will be leading a team in sacks.

Yeah, exactly. Not sure there's enough depth on the Jets to make that kind of pick in the first round, especially without a second round pick. It's a luxury pick, and I think there's at least one of the #2 types that you mention on the roster right now anyway. I'd rather find a DE that slips and can take up blockers, make it a little easier to manufacture the pass rush that way and if it's the right guy they could be good for 5, 6 sacks a year from the 5-tech anyway. I could maybe see going with a guy like Aldon Smith or Justin Houston if they're around. Not sure about Von Miller because he's so light, but he really turned it on towards the end of the year and if they wanted to go in that direction I'd understand it. Kerrigan I'd wait to see in LB drills, and Ayers hasn't been as productive as I'd like to see getting after the QB, he's versatile but the real need is for a pass rusher IMO. A guy like Heyward, Jordan, or Watt could be a really great fit, improving the DL and getting after the QB a bit. Not sure any of them will be around though.

Flaming Mo
01-15-2011, 04:22 AM
You make a good point Derza. Beal isn't exactly an "elite" pass rusher. He is probably more of a #2 guy than somebody who will be leading a team in sacks.

Exactly the feeling I get with him. We already have these type of guys in Pace and BT. Very good overall, complete players but really not scaring anyone off the edge.

With as deep as the DL is shaking up to be, I would be very suprised if no stud 3-4 DE falls to us at the end of the first round.

SenorGato
01-21-2011, 10:09 AM
So apparently Cam Heyward is out 3 months...here's hoping he drops like a ton of bricks.

Mo, good to see you post here. It's a good place for draft talk.

Flaming Mo
01-22-2011, 07:40 AM
So apparently Cam Heyward is out 3 months...here's hoping he drops like a ton of bricks.

Mo, good to see you post here. It's a good place for draft talk.

Damn right, that's why I joined!

JETS5128
01-25-2011, 12:47 AM
I really think we should address the #2 TE position this off-season. Hartsock is really just not a very good football player and should be replaced. I dont really know much about the prospects so far but it is definitely something i will keep an eye on. A solid athlete, good blocker with reliable hands would greatly help out this offense IMO

Flaming Mo
01-25-2011, 08:58 AM
My favorites at positions of need who might be available for the Jets:

OLB - Justin Houston, Aldon Smith, Markus White
DE - Cameron Jordan, Christian Ballard, Muhammad Wilkerson
S - Quinton Carter, DeAndre McDaniel, Deunta Williams

msolimani
01-25-2011, 04:34 PM
I think we need to go front 7 on Defense for the 1st round. We've gotten just about all we can out of the D-line the past two years and I think it's time to install some youth up front. I love Devito, Ellis, and Pouha and think they actually did a very good job this year but we clearly didnt have the athletes in the front 7 to get to most QB's this year. They would be terrific platoon guys to provide depth, but they shouldn't be forced to play pretty much every down.

Von Miller from A&M probably has Rex drooling but there's no chance he makes it anywhere near us. I personally wouldn't mind if we did what it took to trade up to get him, but I know there is little chance of that. I like Akeem Ayers a lot and Houston from Georgia should be good. Regardless we need to go improve that front 7 whether its through trading or drafting.

derza222
01-25-2011, 11:11 PM
Jets were seen talking with Kendric Burney, Lee Smith, and Cameron Jordan at the Senior Bowl according to Scott and Shane. Burney makes some sense as Rex loves his corners and if Cro isn't back and Wilson has to step into the starting lineup a slot corner could be helpful. Smith fits right into what 5128 said about tight ends, although I'm not sure where they'd draft one you're going to get a good athlete a guy who can block really well and will catch a ball if left open who can make a play for himself every once in awhile is really all that's necessary. Then Jordan is an absolute monster, but won't be around.

Mo, some interesting lists, definitely like Houston and Smith, I've never watched White although based on your feelings on Beal I'd guess he's somebody I'd be interested in. Like Jordan but he probably won't be around, Ballard's really interesting and Wilkerson's pretty solid as well though I don't love him. Lots of good ends this draft. Like Carter a lot, and Williams is pretty good too, not huge on McDaniel but he's definitely talented.

As for going front 7 on defense in the first round, I think it's definitely a good move and one I'd prefer although I'd be open to other positions if value was better. Some things depend on how FA goes as well. One nice thing is that there are some younger, talented players who haven't quite made an impact on the DL that could do some good things. I know Rex really liked Pitoitua before he got banged up and he's such a physical specimen that he could be interesting next year. One of the defensive ends or OLB's should slip though. Not big on Ayers either, talented but hasn't done a ton rushing the passer and that's the need. Miller shouldn't be there, but I'd bet Houston or Aldon Smith could be and either would be a good pick. It'll be interesting to see how the 5-tech's and OLB's end up stacking up this year.

JETS5128
01-26-2011, 01:47 AM
Jets were seen talking with Kendric Burney, Lee Smith, and Cameron Jordan at the Senior Bowl according to Scott and Shane. Burney makes some sense as Rex loves his corners and if Cro isn't back and Wilson has to step into the starting lineup a slot corner could be helpful. Smith fits right into what 5128 said about tight ends, although I'm not sure where they'd draft one you're going to get a good athlete a guy who can block really well and will catch a ball if left open who can make a play for himself every once in awhile is really all that's necessary. Then Jordan is an absolute monster, but won't be around.

Smith is actually a really interesting prospect. He is massive at 6'6 270 and a very good blocker with good hands. On second though I really like the idea of getting a big target for Sanchez instead of a more athletic #2 TE. Smith is kind of exactly what i had in mind when i made that post

As for going front 7 on defense in the first round, I think it's definitely a good move and one I'd prefer although I'd be open to other positions if value was better. Some things depend on how FA goes as well. One nice thing is that there are some younger, talented players who haven't quite made an impact on the DL that could do some good things. I know Rex really liked Pitoitua before he got banged up and he's such a physical specimen that he could be interesting next year. One of the defensive ends or OLB's should slip though. Not big on Ayers either, talented but hasn't done a ton rushing the passer and that's the need. Miller shouldn't be there, but I'd bet Houston or Aldon Smith could be and either would be a good pick. It'll be interesting to see how the 5-tech's and OLB's end up stacking up this year.

I definitely agree that the front 7 needs some additions, I wouldn't be surprised though if Rex thinks that between Jenks and Pitoitua returning there will be enough talent on the line to look elsewhere. That leaves OLB, a position that i think we could really use an upgrade. Pass Rusher is far and away our #1 need IMO

derza222
01-26-2011, 12:00 PM
I definitely agree that the front 7 needs some additions, I wouldn't be surprised though if Rex thinks that between Jenks and Pitoitua returning there will be enough talent on the line to look elsewhere. That leaves OLB, a position that i think we could really use an upgrade. Pass Rusher is far and away our #1 need IMO

Obviously this depends quite a bit on whether or not people get re-signed (losing any of the bigger ones would open a large hole, and if both WR's go that's easily the biggest need), but I'd agree that pass rush is the biggest need. The question I guess becomes how you're going to get it. If they'll continue to use overloads and things of that nature you might have more effectiveness getting free blitzers if your DL's take up more blockers, so that could indirectly help. I think an OLB definitely makes sense though, but I'd like to see an explosive player who could really be a dominant pass rusher as opposed to an all-around player.

Flaming Mo
01-26-2011, 12:30 PM
Obviously this depends quite a bit on whether or not people get re-signed (losing any of the bigger ones would open a large hole, and if both WR's go that's easily the biggest need), but I'd agree that pass rush is the biggest need. The question I guess becomes how you're going to get it. If they'll continue to use overloads and things of that nature you might have more effectiveness getting free blitzers if your DL's take up more blockers, so that could indirectly help. I think an OLB definitely makes sense though, but I'd like to see an explosive player who could really be a dominant pass rusher as opposed to an all-around player.

This is exactly how I feel. We got two downhill, mighty strong inside linebackers in Scott and Harris. Both a strong against the run but really dont cover a lot of ground. Pace and Bryan Thomas are also bigger OLB who do well against the run, are strong at the point of attack but scare nobody off the edge. All in all our linebackers all share the same strengths - power, size, strength, toughness - and the same weaknesses - lack of speed and athletisism, coverage ability. Scott wont go anywhere, Harris I guess will be resigned and Pace also has another year on his deal before cutting him would make sense. BT would save us almost 4 million and he is also the oldest of the group. Let him go, draft a replacement and maybe even sign someone else as a free agent as Taylor will be let go too.

One thing I thought about is that I could definitely see the Jets trade up again if they really like someone in round one. The Pats are sitting right in front of them and they got a need at OLB too. When you think about it and depending on how free agency goes, in our areas of need (OLB, DL) we got a ton of depth but we dont really have a serious playmakers upfront. Now if the Jets think they can get a true star, an impact player, then I could see the moving up for this player. This is the biggest issue we have in the front seven. Tons of solid depth, tough guys, hard nosed workers but no real stars, no guys you gotta scheme for or players who put fear into an opposing offense.

Hurricanes25
01-26-2011, 01:32 PM
Justin Houston from Georgia is an interesting prospect. He has experience playing OLB in the 3-4 so it would be a smooth transition into the NFL. I know he had 10 sacks last year and I think he could have improved on that if he would have decided to stay for his senior season this upcoming fall. I'm not sure if he'll fall to us but I can dream.

BroadwayJoe10
01-27-2011, 10:17 AM
The more I see of Cam Jordan the more that I want him. He just has absolutely everything you want in a DE, especially in Rex's system he could move him all over the line.

Cam Jordan + Phil Taylor would be a solid influx of youth onto our defensive line.

Flaming Mo
01-27-2011, 04:23 PM
The more I see of Cam Jordan the more that I want him. He just has absolutely everything you want in a DE, especially in Rex's system he could move him all over the line.

Cam Jordan + Phil Taylor would be a solid influx of youth onto our defensive line.

Unfortunately it looks like Jordan will be out of reach after his terrific Senior Bowl...

Hurricanes25
01-27-2011, 04:24 PM
Unfortunately it looks like Jordan will be out of reach after his terrific Senior Bowl...

Yep, he's looking more and more like a top 10 pick.

I'm pretty nervous about picking at 29/30. I think we're going to miss out on a lot of guys we all like.

JETS5128
01-27-2011, 05:10 PM
Yep, he's looking more and more like a top 10 pick.

I'm pretty nervous about picking at 29/30. I think we're going to miss out on a lot of guys we all like.

I really disagree. If Tanny and Rex really like a player that much, they have shown that they will do what is necessary to get him

Hurricanes25
01-27-2011, 09:15 PM
I really disagree. If Tanny and Rex really like a player that much, they have shown that they will do what is necessary to get him

They probably would trade up but losing all of these draft picks are hurting the team, imo. It's great to do once in a while but when you do it year after year and only have lets just say 4 picks in one draft, well that kills depth.

JETS5128
01-27-2011, 09:34 PM
They probably would trade up but losing all of these draft picks are hurting the team, imo. It's great to do once in a while but when you do it year after year and only have lets just say 4 picks in one draft, well that kills depth.

Idk, usually you would think that it would result in a lack of depth but looking at the team right now can you really say that's the case? We have depth in both trenches, a deep receiving core (pending free agency), a deep group of linebackers, and a deep secondary (pending free agency again). What we lack is premiere talent in the front 7. I really would not mind trading up in the draft for a Cam Jordan or Von Miller. Then we could use money that would have went to later round picks to re-sign guys we already have

derza222
01-28-2011, 02:50 PM
There's just so many guys who make sense at either DE or OLB that I imagine somebody good is going to drop. Without many picks and with a few holes (potentially more after FA) I think it might make more sense to stand pat. At DE you've got Jordan, Heyward, and Watt who seem like pretty surefire first rounders. A guy like Clayborn might be able to fit, same with Liuget since a few of the ends here are in the 6'3 range, Ballard seems like he might move up into the late first round range and seems like he would fit, Wilkerson's getting late first round talk, and maybe Allen Bailey too. That's not even counting Fairley and Dareus who should be off the board. At OLB Quinn should be gone but might drop like Dez Bryant last year and is an absolute stud, Kerrigan could probably make the move, Houston played standing up at Georgia as did Miller at Texas A&M, and Smith is an incredible athlete who could really excel standing up. Then Ayers needs to project a little bit to play 3-4 OLB and hasn't rushed the passer much but seems to have the athleticism to do it. Should be an option there, that's 16 guys, not all of them are perfect but that's only counting those two positions. Somebody's going to drop.

Flaming Mo
01-29-2011, 04:55 PM
Idk, usually you would think that it would result in a lack of depth but looking at the team right now can you really say that's the case? We have depth in both trenches, a deep receiving core (pending free agency), a deep group of linebackers, and a deep secondary (pending free agency again). What we lack is premiere talent in the front 7. I really would not mind trading up in the draft for a Cam Jordan or Von Miller. Then we could use money that would have went to later round picks to re-sign guys we already have

Perfectly said. It's really astonishing what Rex did with the defense in the last two years considering he basically never had a real consistent impact player on the front seven. You had a game from Ellis here and there or Pace would show up every once in a while but in the end the Jets front seven really is not tremendously talented. Sure, they are a tough, gritty, physical group but after losing Jenkins they do not have on true difference maker in there who can take over the game on his own... I also could see the Jets shooting for that type of player in the draft and it would make sense. Depth is not the problem, especially not on defense.

BroadwayJoe10
02-01-2011, 12:14 PM
The guy who is going to get more and has already started to get a bunch of hype is Brooks Reed. He is getting compared to Clay Matthews and if one can look past his appearance (hair and skin color) you can see a ton of similarities.

It's going to be interesting to see what Reed does at the combine, as Matthews had an otherworldly 1.49? second 10 yard dash and helped move him into the first round. Reed has tremendous size at 6'2.5" and 257 lbs, but also has the same nonstop-play-to-the-whistle motor that clay has and offers a number of pass rush moves.

Like Clay, he came into College much lighter, although still impressive for a HS senior, at 6'2" 215 pounds. He put in the work (coming in as a H-back and redshirting) and has grown every year.

Having a best friend who's a UW alum and athlete, I was exposed to the 'Zona pass rushers for a little while now. Never having really known their names other than watch them just wreak havoc on the pac 10, I was always amazed at how relentless they both were. I think picking at 30 allows us the type of flexibility that the Colts have always had; you don't feel the need to pick a household name persay, but grab someone you know will fit your system and team.

In ending. I love Brooks Reed and I hope I'm not just drinking the koolaide.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/155362/BrooksReed.jpg

Hurricanes25
02-01-2011, 12:20 PM
I'be been hearing a lot of good things about Brooks Reed. I know Shane Hallam was talking about him earlier in the season so I wanted to see for myself what the hype was about and I came away impressed. Not sure if he could be a teams "# 1 passrusher" but he'll be a good player in the pros.

JETS5128
02-01-2011, 12:22 PM
Reed is definitely on my short list of guys i would want if we stay at #30

derza222
02-01-2011, 03:45 PM
I definitely like Reed, but I wonder if he's a little overvalued at this point if he's considered a viable option at #30 and not somebody who would be a decent option of we reach for need. I'll be honest, I haven't seen too much Arizona football, but I wonder why he got outperformed by a teammate with considerably lesser physical ability. Beyond that the Clay Matthews comparisons probably pump him up a little more than he would have been otherwise if Matthews hadn't exploded this year. I could definitely be wrong on him, but I think he's just got a ton of helium right now and he'll settle down a bit. Lots of guys have been talked about as potential first rounders who haven't even come close.

katnip
02-04-2011, 01:20 AM
Would Christian Ballard be a good 3-4 DE? Trade to early-mid, 2nd round maybe?? His measurable's look good.

(didn't get a chance to watch much college ball this past year). I have a feeling if we let go of LT, we'll try and get a good offensive player 1st round. Like, I wasn't impressed when Baldwin/Pitt played Miami this year. But every major draft site has him as the 3rd best WR.

I'd love Julio Jones out of this class. But I don't see him dropping to our spot.

Flaming Mo
02-04-2011, 06:58 AM
Would Christian Ballard be a good 3-4 DE? Trade to early-mid, 2nd round maybe?? His measurable's look good.

(didn't get a chance to watch much college ball this past year). I have a feeling if we let go of LT, we'll try and get a good offensive player 1st round. Like, I wasn't impressed when Baldwin/Pitt played Miami this year. But every major draft site has him as the 3rd best WR.

I'd love Julio Jones out of this class. But I don't see him dropping to our spot.

I like Ballard as a 3-4 end, especially on the Jets. The DE who needs to replaced sooner or later is Shaun Ellis and they are both similar players. Similar size, not big massive run stoppers but still strong at the point of attack with good versatility and pass rush ability.

derza222
02-04-2011, 11:04 AM
Yeah I definitely think Ballard fits the Jets well as Mo said. With that strong Senior Bowl apparently he's moved himself into fringe round 1 status, we'll see if that sticks but if it does he might be in the conversation for pick 30.

derza222
02-16-2011, 03:48 PM
Found something in Kiper's recent mock draft interesting. Basically he said he was torn between what he thinks the Jets will do and what some of his sources say, which indicates to me that the Jets may be planning on doing something surprising. He said that DL is a priority but it's a deep draft for that (true) and then went with Rahim Moore for the pick.

Now I'm not a huge Rahim Moore fan for the Jets (don't think he's physical enough for what Ryan wants, seems hesitant to really come up and hit people) though safety is obviously a need. But the what sources say they might do thing interested me. Any thoughts on a first round pick that would be a little bit out of left field compared to expectations? Corner, running back, and offensive line come to mind unless of course Kiper would be surprised by ignoring the DL in early rounds which seems to be a bit of a trend.

Flaming Mo
02-16-2011, 04:49 PM
Found something in Kiper's recent mock draft interesting. Basically he said he was torn between what he thinks the Jets will do and what some of his sources say, which indicates to me that the Jets may be planning on doing something surprising. He said that DL is a priority but it's a deep draft for that (true) and then went with Rahim Moore for the pick.

Now I'm not a huge Rahim Moore fan for the Jets (don't think he's physical enough for what Ryan wants, seems hesitant to really come up and hit people) though safety is obviously a need. But the what sources say they might do thing interested me. Any thoughts on a first round pick that would be a little bit out of left field compared to expectations? Corner, running back, and offensive line come to mind unless of course Kiper would be surprised by ignoring the DL in early rounds which seems to be a bit of a trend.

Very interesting! Now recent success doesn't really let us critisize the Jets too much on personnel decisions but CB, RB or OL would be horrible picks considering our needs. Now there are a couple of wild cards to all of this:

- How high are they on Gilbert and/or Pitoitua? Do they expect them to make a DeVito-like impact soon?
- What will happen with Holmes and Edwards?
- Is Leonhard's injury maybe more serious?
- Do they feel they can't keep Hunter and Woody?

A lot of unknowns are in there for us outsiders. From our point of view I see Moore definitely as a possibility since Rex can't be thrilled with our lack of interceptions and the deep coverage in the middle. I think Pool was fine at the end of the year as he got more used to the defense but I can see Ryan looking for a playmaker back there.

Anyways, I would be extremely suprised if the first pick is not for the front seven.

derza222
02-16-2011, 08:09 PM
Yeah I agree that CB, RB, and OL would be bad picks. Just trying to think of the priorities of the team, Ryan puts corners at a premium, running the ball is key which makes having backs for carries (I'd prefer a mid-rounder) and the big guys to open holes important. Luckily Slauson played alright, hopefully Ducasse progresses a lot so they're basically set on the OL for awhile. The recent report that they're going to let Cro walk makes a corner more likely too IMO, and could be some of Kiper's surprise.

The young DL's, Dixon and Tevaseu included, are probably factors. I'd guess they like them a good amount.

Purely speculating on the other ones, I think they try to bring back both but are ultimately unsuccessful, Leonhard I think will be fine but I wonder if either of Pool and Smith are brought back, and I think Woody's a cap casualty but Hunter's brought back on the cheap to compete with Vlad.

I would definitely not be surprised if the first rounder was not in the front seven, but would be disappointed. An infusion of youth and talent is needed there IMO.

derza222
02-27-2011, 12:52 PM
One thing I thought about is that I could definitely see the Jets trade up again if they really like someone in round one. The Pats are sitting right in front of them and they got a need at OLB too. When you think about it and depending on how free agency goes, in our areas of need (OLB, DL) we got a ton of depth but we dont really have a serious playmakers upfront. Now if the Jets think they can get a true star, an impact player, then I could see the moving up for this player. This is the biggest issue we have in the front seven. Tons of solid depth, tough guys, hard nosed workers but no real stars, no guys you gotta scheme for or players who put fear into an opposing offense.

I really disagree. If Tanny and Rex really like a player that much, they have shown that they will do what is necessary to get him

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/26315/jets-unafraid-to-deal-draft-picks

Thought this was worth posting. Kind of reaffirms that the philosophy they've shown the last few years hasn't really changed any. Definitely going to be an interesting draft. A lot of the 5-techs could make sense to trade up for in the first, maybe some OLB's...probably won't be another position on defense as value doesn't match up, don't think WR will either. Could see them try to move up from the third and not the first because it seems like there are a lot of players jumbled together in that late first/mid second value range and it might be good to get two of them.

Also saw something saying that they're going to draft BPA and also that they want to draft guys who really love football. Maybe just saying that, but as a focus thought it was interesting.

Hurricanes25
03-21-2011, 01:00 PM
Temple S Jaiquawn Jarrett to vist the Jets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110320_source_temples_jaiquawn_jarrett_to_visit_ jets_giants_rams_work_out_for_patriots)

I'm a big fan of him. He's a nice all around saftey who does everything pretty well. He's best in run support. He'll probably be a SS in the NFL. We need more of a FS but I think he is an upgrade over Leonhard at SS.

derza222
03-27-2011, 12:00 AM
Who does everybody think the pick is going to be at #30? Figured it might be worthwhile to get some discussion about specific names now that we're getting close to the draft.

I've got a feeling that, based on value and priorities, it's going to be a pass rusher, specifically an outside linebacker. I think next most likely is a wide receiver, followed by a defensive end, and then a nose tackle. A free safety or a corner could be a surprise pick, but I almost think corner's more likely than FS. Would be relatively surprised if it was another position.

Another guess, though I could be way off, is that a small school corner with the physical ability Ryan/Pettine feel is necessary with the position gets picked somewhere on day 3. They were hot on the trail of somebody last year though I forget his name, and he got drafted by the Saints I believe. But I figure somebody who has quick feet, and sufficient long speed but underdeveloped technique would make sense. What's everybody else thinking?

Hurricanes25
03-28-2011, 02:33 PM
Yeah, I think OLB, DE, NT, WR, S and CB are all options at #30.

OLB- Big fan of Justin Houston. I'd be disappointed if we took Brooks Reed. I like Jabaal Sheard too but he might be a bit of a reach at #30. It is becoming a popular pick in mocks though.

DE- Heyward, Wilkerson, Clayborn, and Ballard would all be solid picks.

NT- I think Phil Taylor would be a beast in our scheme.

WR- Hankerson would be a nice compliment to Holmes. Titus Young to Braylon.

S- Assuming we go with a FS. Not really a big fan of Rahim Moore. Many people have said that Aaron Williams will be a S at te next level. He could be intriguing at #30.

CB- I like Harris and Jimmy Smith.

katnip
04-22-2011, 01:25 PM
Any of you guys think Jerrel Jernigan can last until our 3rd round pick. Personally I'd rather have Braylon back. Bigger and stronger. Even though Holmes had some nice catches/yac for us.