Who will finish last in the NFC East?

[D-Unit]

I think this could go any number of ways... Discuss!

[RealityCheck]

Giants... I'm predicting 6-10 or so for them.

[LonghornsLegend]

Call me a skeptic but I'd be shocked if it was any other team then Washington. That team just has another year or so to build and they really didn't have enough picks to address all their needs. Even with McNabb, they have no RB's, no proven WR(and no, the 2 big games Santana Moss always has outside of 9 games with 22 yards a piece, and the 4 DNP's due to hamstring pulls do not count), offensive line will still be a wreck even with a LT and McNabb has already proven he's not that effective with time to throw.



Their defense is good but overall I don't see it. Granted, a Kolb implosion is certainly not out of the question, but at least the rest of that team is solid enough to keep them out of the basement even if that did happen.


I think another team would have to get shredded by injuries all season, and I mean key injuries.

[Thumper]

1. Cowboys
2. Giants
3. Eagles
4. Redskins

Right now IMO the Dallas Cowboys are the best team in the division in terms of starters, their depth is pretty questionable at a bunch of spots however and there are question marks like the offensive tackle spot and the FS spot.

The Eagles and Giants are interchangeable depending on your opinion of Kolb. If Kolb performs at a high level like the team is expecting, the Eagles will do well yet again. The Giants are still a talented team, their safety situation is much improved and their defensive line should be improved. Remember that the Eagles have won four straight against the Giants.

The Redskins are the worst team in the division far and away, their offensive line still sucks, they still have no running game, their weapons at wide receiver are still sub-bar, their safety situation is still sketchy, their corner situation is still mediocre, their best player doesn't want to make a scheme switch and their defense which was the strong point of the team is switching schemes. They still suck.

[Rosebud]

Giants... I'm predicting 6-10 or so for them.

Any reason or is it just cause you're still butthurt?

[RealityCheck]

Any reason or is it just cause you're still butthurt?
I'll be butthurt forever, trust me.

Let's say... you don't have the team to beat Dallas and Philly and the Skins are improving hell a lot.

[Thumper]

I'll be butthurt forever, trust me.

Let's say... you don't have the team to beat Dallas and Philly and the Skins are improving hell a lot.

so you think the Giants are going 0-6 in the division? Is that what you're getting at?

[RealityCheck]

so you think the Giants are going 0-6 in the division? Is that what you're getting at?
No. But I don't think they'll go 4-2 either.

They'll probably beat each opponent once and go 3-3.

[LonghornsLegend]

I'll be butthurt forever, trust me.

Let's say... you don't have the team to beat Dallas and Philly and the Skins are improving hell a lot.

They have had the # of Dallas lately, how was it they were able to sweep us last year? I can also guarantee you they will be alot better this year, and Eli will be 100%. If they weren't a 6-10 team last year with a defense giving up TD's at the rate they were, no reason to expect it this year.

[Rosebud]

I'll be butthurt forever, trust me.

Let's say... you don't have the team to beat Dallas and Philly and the Skins are improving hell a lot.

We have a better QB, DL and DBs than Philly the OL's are a wash and we have more quality RBs while they have Djax. I really don't see how the giants "don't have the team to beat...Philly" The skins are improving? They still have absolutely zero weapons around an older McNabb with an OL that still needs help everywhere except LT.

Dallas I'll give you, although their OL questions could cripple them this year.

[D-Unit]

I have a feeling that McNabb will somehow get the Redskins out of their perrenial last place standing. With that in mind, it's either the Giants or Eagles... and the Eagles to me have more question marks.

[LetsGoGiants!]

I think we'll have a better year than last. I think it will come down to Giants and Cowboys.

[T-NewFan41]

i voted cowboys just to be funny.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Easily the Skins. Garbage secondary. The O-line should be improved with Shanny's ZBS being brought in and getting Trent Williams. Last year Heyer and Mike Williams started. Still we are 8-8 at best.

[J255979-11nine]

i voted cowboys just to be funny.

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[Crickett]

I have a feeling that McNabb will somehow get the Redskins out of their perrenial last place standing. With that in mind, it's either the Giants or Eagles... and the Eagles to me have more question marks.

I'm not sure anyone can get the Redskins out of that rut. Brad Johnson couldn't and he was holding up the lombardi five minutes after he left. Not literally five minutes obviously.

[T-NewFan41]

http://jenden.us/storage/JD/img/cool_story_bro2.jpg

this was the reaction i wanted!

[tjsunstein]

I'm glad this isn't the over reaction the the Redskins off season moves that I thought it would be. To me, the Redskins are still last in terms of overall talent in the division and that's where they'll finish.

[Malaka]

To be honest, I am hoping/almost believing the Redskisn might crawl out of their hole and that all depends on how Kevin Kolb plays, if he chokes Eagles are last place. The reason I hope so is Kolb would be the reason and the Eagles would have to go into rebuild mode and find a QB, the Redskins would only have an okay McNabb for a couple of years successfully allowing it to be a two team division for a year or two. I think it it'll play out like this...

1. Cowboys 11-5/12-4
2. Giants 10-6
3. Redskins 8-8
4. Eagles 6-10/7-9

Still a competitive division no doubt about it.

[MetSox17]

I don't trust Kevin Kolb as much as some people do. Yeah the Deadskins have a garbage team, but they have a QB now. I think Kolb is gonna get his **** pushed in this year, and will throw 17+ interceptions.

[superman8456]

I think the Eagles might exceed my expectations, but thats only because I'm not expecting much at all. I wouldnt be surprised with a 6-10/7-9 season. I dont think our record will show the whole story. We'll probably be in most of the games we play, but we wont be able to finish many of them.

I expect finishing last in the division.

1) Giants (10-6)
2) Cowboys (10-6)
3) Redskins (7-9)
4) Eagles (6-10)

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I think the Redskins will finish last this year.

[scottyboy]

Giants... I'm predicting 6-10 or so for them.

just curious, do you care to give a reason why? or just saying stuff for poops and giggles?

[FloridaSkinzFan]

they have no RB's

This is an ignorant statement.

1. Clinton Portis
2. Willie Parker
3. Larry Johnson

The three combined have like 15,000 rushing yards....

[Thumper]

This is an ignorant statement.

1. Clinton Portis
2. Willie Parker
3. Larry Johnson

The three combined have like 15,000 rushing yards....

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahaha hahha

They're all washed up and terrible now, they're all gassed and their legs aren't any where close to where they used to be. Too bad this isn't 2006, this is 2010 and they all suck now. They're a bunch of has beens.

[BaLLiN]

Giants... I'm predicting 6-10 or so for them.

1 Sep 12 CAR @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium W- you bet your ass that the giants will be doing anything possible to win their home opener in a new stadium
2 Sep 19 NYG @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium L
3 Sep 26 TEN @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium too hard to predict
4 Oct 03 CHI @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium W
5 Oct 10 NYG @ HOU Reliant Stadium W- wheres their DB's?
6 Oct 17 DET @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium W
7 Oct 25 NYG @ DAL Cowboys Stadium
8 Bye
9 Nov 07 NYG @ SEA Qwest Field W- close
10 Nov 14 DAL @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium
11 Nov 21 NYG @ PHI Lincoln Financial Field
12 Nov 28 JAC @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium L
13 Dec 05 WAS @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium
14 Dec 12 NYG @ MIN Mall of America Field L
15 Dec 19 PHI @ NYG New Meadowlands Stadium
16 Dec 26 NYG @ GB Lambeau Field L
17 Jan 02 NYG @ WAS FedEx Field W- what will they have to play for?

Its a much tougher schedule, and 6-10 isn't a bad prediction, but washington still has a pretty crappy defense in general, but their O should be better. I figure we win both times, split the series with at least one of philly and dallas which would give us 7 wins, which are all definitely possible.

[E-Man]

Philly has lost some big names recently, but they still have Andy Reid. He's a good enough coach that I can't see them failing as the last team in the East. If they are last, it'll be because all the other teams have upgraded during an Eagles rebuilding period.

The Giants have some holes that I think keep them from being the top team, but they have enough to make some kinda noise. The team does have some internal issues to deal with on D though.

The Cowboys are the favorite. Yeah I'm a Dallas fan, but it's easy to see how they could be the favorite. The offense has many weapons, and the D still has the same cohesion. They didn't lose much, and they have young, developing players in key positions.

The Redskins are having a better offseason than I'm willing to admit. They've made some good pickups, but they are still the Redskins. They've had a well respected coach come in before, and things didn't turn out the way they wanted them to. I don't see why they're going to a 3-4 for a substantial portion of their defense. They always self destruct, and I'm betting that it happens once again.

[Joe M Charlie]

Id go with the Eagles.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Philly has lost some big names recently, but they still have Andy Reid. He's a good enough coach that I can't see them failing as the last team in the East. If they are last, it'll be because all the other teams have upgraded during an Eagles rebuilding period.

The Giants have some holes that I think keep them from being the top team, but they have enough to make some kinda noise. The team does have some internal issues to deal with on D though.

The Cowboys are the favorite. Yeah I'm a Dallas fan, but it's easy to see how they could be the favorite. The offense has many weapons, and the D still has the same cohesion. They didn't lose much, and they have young, developing players in key positions.

The Redskins are having a better offseason than I'm willing to admit. They've made some good pickups, but they are still the Redskins. [/b]They've had a well respected coach come in before, and things didn't turn out the way they wanted them to.[/b] I don't see why they're going to a 3-4 for a substantial portion of their defense. They always self destruct, and I'm betting that it happens once again.

I'm not going to act like it was an amazing success but Gibbs in his 2nd stint took a horrible team to the playoffs 2 of his 4 years. Obviously we probably wanted more, but I think it's unfair to label Gibbs 2nd time around as a complete failure.

[FlyingElvis]

The Skins have too far to go for me to vote anyone else.

It's always a fun divisional race with 3 of the teams fielding top 10 defenses each year so there's plenty of room for a shuffling of the standings. I like the Giants to win the division this year, for no particular reason at all.

[E-Man]

I'm not going to act like it was an amazing success but Gibbs in his 2nd stint took a horrible team to the playoffs 2 of his 4 years. Obviously we probably wanted more, but I think it's unfair to label Gibbs 2nd time around as a complete failure.

Gibbs had some decent success, so I wouldn't label him a complete failure. The thing is that the Redskins were never really that big of a threat to do much. At best they were a talented team that could have been better, but most of the time they have been a below average team since Snyder took over.

[B-Dawk]

right now i dont see a wildcard coming out of the east, i think giants might have another down year and i dont see skins improved enough, and the eagles are chock full of question marks. I see 3 7-9 teams, and unfortunately cowboy look good if healthy

[wonderbredd24]

I'm not going to act like it was an amazing success but Gibbs in his 2nd stint took a horrible team to the playoffs 2 of his 4 years. Obviously we probably wanted more, but I think it's unfair to label Gibbs 2nd time around as a complete failure.

And I can't imagine a 60 something Gibbs wanted to be saddled with a rookie quarterback.

[frubulubu]

This division belongs to the Cowboys, and everyone else are just Witness.

[CC.SD]

Why is Laron Landry so bad, can he please wake up and be the man I know he can be...

[Malaka]

Why is Laron Landry so bad, can he please wake up and be the man I know he can be...

Do you guys think it has anything to do with him being epically run over by Brandon Jacobs?

[Paranoidmoonduck]

This is an ignorant statement.

1. Clinton Portis
2. Willie Parker
3. Larry Johnson

The three combined have like 15,000 rushing yards....

And if you take their 2009 numbers, they barely broke 1,000 yards combined.

[LTgiants]

Do you guys think it has anything to do with him being epically run over by Brandon Jacobs?

LOL check my sig if you want to look at it in all its glory.

[FUNBUNCHER]

The SKins have WRs, just haven't had a QB willing to throw to his 2nd and 3rd WRs. Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were open often last year, but the ball rarely ever came.

There's a reason why the Skins have been trying to get rid of Campbell for 2 years straight; nice game manager, won't lose games for you. Won't win them either.

Clinton Portis has dropped his weight back to the range he was at during his Broncos years (205-210#), so look for a big bounce back year from him.

Larry Johnson is at worst the 2nd RB, then Willie Parker, Ryan Torain, ( Shanny keeps comparing his skillset to Terrell Davis!) and LSU RB Keiland Williams will battle for the 3rd spot.

Dallas and the Redskins will be the top two rushing offenses in the division.

I picked Philly as the 4th team only because Kolb is an unknown, if he doesn't come out the gate like Aaron Rodgers, the Eagles will be painful to watch on offense.

In total, DOnovan McNabb is going to have the most offensive weapons he's ever had his career; TEs Fred Davis and Chris Cooley, finally a running game to work with, and big, young, fast WRs.

T.O. wasn't signed because Shanahan felt he didn't need him!!

I still see Marko Mitchell as the breakout WR from SKins TC; 2nd year from Nevada, 6'4, 215#, 4.4 speed, best WR last preseason who got into fights with both starting CBs last year in camp because they were so frustrated they couldn't cover him.

SKins are weak in the secondary, now with Landry up to 230# and very limited deep coverage ability, but if Haynesworth can get with the program, (Haslett plans to limit Orakpo's coverage responsibilities and have him rush primarily on every down), Adam Carriker is healed up and SKins can find a NT, they could challenge for the playoffs.

Giants and Dallas are still class of the division, IMO. This should be the year the Cowboys make a deep run in the playoffs and get to the NFC championship.

NFCEast is still B-E-A-S-T!!

[bigbluedefense]

I honestly think the East only puts 1 team in the playoffs this year.

I think the Cowboys and Giants are front runners for that spot.

[Morton]

I think the Cowboys are the best team in the NFC East RIGHT NOW, but anything can happen in that division.

After the Cowboys, the rest of the division is mostly a toss-up. Each other team in that division has question marks going into 2010.

For the record, though, even if the Cowboys win the division, it doesn't really matter because Tony Romo is doing squat in the playoffs, just like every year.

[Rosebud]

I'm sorry but there is no way in hell you can even try and make the claim that Donovan has more weapons than he had in philly, he'll have a less talented running game, worse receivers and a worse OL, honestly the only position he has more talent to work with is TE where Cooley and Davis are better than Celek, although Celek was pretty beast himself.

I do like Marko Mitchell a lot though, he's a guy I was hoping the giants would draft if we couldn't nab Ramses to be our project pick at WR.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I think the Cowboys are the best team in the NFC East RIGHT NOW, but anything can happen in that division.

After the Cowboys, the rest of the division is mostly a toss-up. Each other team in that division has question marks going into 2010.

For the record, though, even if the Cowboys win the division, it doesn't really matter because Tony Romo is doing squat in the playoffs, just like every year.

It will be interesting.. We did sweep the Cowboys in a season where we had the worse DC I can ever think of. Injuries hit us too, but we have gotten better and better. If this DC is actually decent and not a complete bone head like Sheridan was, then I think we will be right up there in our division. I have no doubt in my mind with our talent on this team we can do some things. In the end it will come down to our DC, and injuries. Our DC has to prove he is actually good, and I think that's our biggest question mark right now.

[Morton]

It will be interesting.. We did sweep the Cowboys in a season where we had the worse DC I can ever think of. Injuries hit us too, but we have gotten better and better. If this DC is actually decent and not a complete bone head like Sheridan was, then I think we will be right up there in our division. I have no doubt in my mind with our talent on this team we can do some things. In the end it will come down to our DC, and injuries. Our DC has to prove he is actually good, and I think that's our biggest question mark right now.

That's why I said "Each other team in that division has question marks going into 2010".

Giants - Will their defense revert back to its dominant 2007/2008 form or will it continue its 2009 slide into a "swiss cheese" coverage shell with zero pass rush? New DC, better FS, young DE with lots of potential drafted, but nothing is guaranteed.

Eagles - Will Kevin Kolb play well or struggle mightily in his first true year as a full-time starter? If he can play even reasonably well, this team has the talent on offense to score alot of points, but again, nothing is guaranteed.

Redskins - Will Donovan McNabb and Mike Shanahan breathe new life into an offense that was tepid, at best, last year? New coach, new QB, but nothing is guaranteed.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

That's why I said "Each other team in that division has question marks going into 2010".

Giants - Will their defense revert back to its dominant 2007/2008 form or will it continue its 2009 slide into a "swiss cheese" coverage shell with zero pass rush? New DC, better FS, young DE with lots of potential drafted, but nothing is guaranteed.

Eagles - Will Kevin Kolb play well or struggle mightily in his first true year as a full-time starter? If he can play even reasonably well, this team has the talent on offense to score alot of points, but again, nothing is guaranteed.

Redskins - Will Donovan McNabb and Mike Shanahan breathe new life into an offense that was tepid, at best, last year? New coach, new QB, but nothing is guaranteed.


Yeah I agree.. I am just saying, we have 1 big question mark. It's so big it takes up 99.9% of the room, and that's the DC.. So far our DC list has rivaled American Idols yearly winners.

Tim Lewis
Spags
Sheridan
and now this year's winner Fewell..

Does he last or do we pick a new DC next year? The funny thing is we got better last year, and now better this year in terms of talent, but the guy calling the plays was horrible. Now I guess we will see if Fewell is worth it. If he is close or even half as good as Spags, then I have no doubt we will be fine, assuming no injuries of course. If PF sucks as a DC, then be prepared for another DC, and a mob gathering near the new stadium.

[Rosebud]

That's why I said "Each other team in that division has question marks going into 2010".

Giants - Will their defense revert back to its dominant 2007/2008 form or will it continue its 2009 slide into a "swiss cheese" coverage shell with zero pass rush? New DC, better FS, young DE with lots of potential drafted, but nothing is guaranteed.

Eagles - Will Kevin Kolb play well or struggle mightily in his first true year as a full-time starter? If he can play even reasonably well, this team has the talent on offense to score alot of points, but again, nothing is guaranteed.

Redskins - Will Donovan McNabb and Mike Shanahan breathe new life into an offense that was tepid, at best, last year? New coach, new QB, but nothing is guaranteed.

We're guaranteed to never start Chris Brown and Michael Johnson at Safety again, that alone answers a lot of our questions. Plus I used to live in Buffalo and so have been keeping my eye on the Bills, the way I do the Bears and Browns, and I really like Fewell and think he'll be awesome for us, probably not Spags awesome, but awesome none the less. Plus it's highly unlikely injuries decide to just rape our team the way they did last year especially on D where our DL and secondary just got decimated, Tuck spent all year with a ****** up shoulder, Osi still hadn't recovered from his torn ACL, Canty missed time, Alford missed the whole year, Kenny Phillips only played in a couple of games and Webster missed time.

There are definitely legit question marks, but I think it's safe to say the giants D will be improved this year and if Eli's healthy this year so should our O.

[Morton]

Does he last or do we pick a new DC next year? The funny thing is we got better last year, and now better this year in terms of talent, but the guy calling the plays was horrible. Now I guess we will see if Fewell is worth it. If he is close or even half as good as Spags, then I have no doubt we will be fine, assuming no injuries of course. If PF sucks as a DC, then be prepared for another DC, and a mob gathering near the new stadium.

In my opinion, it goes beyond the DC too.

To be successful, the Giants need their pass rushers to play on a high level. Tuck struggled last year, probably due to injury more than anything else. Osi was not as big of a factor as he should have been. I think the Giants realize this, and that is one of the reasons they drafted JPP. Now, the question is, can JPP be the guy they need to come off the edge and apply constant pressure? Maybe, maybe not. The kid has loads of potential, but he's very raw. That's the bigger question mark, in my mind, than DC: the pass rushers the Giants have right now.

Free safety / secondary is still a question too. No doubt Antrell Rolle will be alot better than CC Brown, but he's not a special player, or at least he wasn't in Arizona. Will he significantly upgrade the secondary or will he make a marginal impact? Will Kenny Phillips come back healthy or will his injuries still impact his performance. Despite the amount of money the Giants threw at the position, safety is still a question mark (smaller, but still there) for the Giants in 2010.

Also, I still don't know what the Giants are planning to do @ MLB. Are they starting a rookie in that spot next year?

[bigbluedefense]

It will be interesting.. We did sweep the Cowboys in a season where we had the worse DC I can ever think of. Injuries hit us too, but we have gotten better and better. If this DC is actually decent and not a complete bone head like Sheridan was, then I think we will be right up there in our division. I have no doubt in my mind with our talent on this team we can do some things. In the end it will come down to our DC, and injuries. Our DC has to prove he is actually good, and I think that's our biggest question mark right now.

No way, Tim Lewis was by far worse than Sheridan.

Sheridan wasn't great, but he wasn't awful either. The honest truth is Sheridan got screwed with injuries. Our team was destroyed with injuries last year.

A lot of blame goes to Sheridan because our defense lost its fire and passion, and played undisciplined, but at the same time, from an X and O standpoint Sheridan wasn't all that bad. In fact, I liked a good amount of stuff he did. He wasn't a bad guy scheme wise, he was just a horrible DC when it came to everything else required of the job.

But injuries were a huge problem. Tim Lewis just plain sucked. By far the worst DC I ever seen in my life.

The 2 times the Giants have been SB caliber teams, we've had good DCs. John Fox, then Spagnuolo.

In between those 2 guys, we've had crap at DC, and it shows. The proof is in the pudding. The Giants have always had talent on defense. But they do a terrible job of finding coordinators to harness that talent.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

In my opinion, it goes beyond the DC too.

To be successful, the Giants need their pass rushers to play on a high level. Tuck struggled last year, probably due to injury more than anything else. Osi was not as big of a factor as he should have been. I think the Giants realize this, and that is one of the reasons they drafted JPP. Now, the question is, can JPP be the guy they need to come off the edge and apply constant pressure? Maybe, maybe not. The kid has loads of potential, but he's very raw. That's the bigger question mark, in my mind, than DC: the pass rushers the Giants have right now.

Free safety / secondary is still a question too. No doubt Antrell Rolle will be alot better than CC Brown, but he's not a special player, or at least he wasn't in Arizona. Will he significantly upgrade the secondary or will he make a marginal impact? Will Kenny Phillips come back healthy or will his injuries still impact his performance. Despite the amount of money the Giants threw at the position, safety is still a question mark (smaller, but still there) for the Giants in 2010.

That's where injuries hurt us.. Tuck was hurt, Osi was coming back from injury, and Canty was hurt.. That's 3/4 guys on our DL. Factor in stupid scheme, from a stupid DC, and that explains that.

We have solidified our safety spot, and if the scheme is good, and if our guys are healthy our pass rush can get back to what it was. We will rotate our guys and do some damage, limiting the time opposing Qbs have in the backfield, allowing our secondary, specifically safties make more plays. It all comes down to the DC/scheme, and injuries again. Were the guys hurt last year, fine now? Will more critical players get hurt? Is this DC good or another lemon? Those are the questions in a nut shell.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

No way, Tim Lewis was by far worse than Sheridan.

Sheridan wasn't great, but he wasn't awful either. The honest truth is Sheridan got screwed with injuries. Our team was destroyed with injuries last year.

A lot of blame goes to Sheridan because our defense lost its fire and passion, and played undisciplined, but at the same time, from an X and O standpoint Sheridan wasn't all that bad. In fact, I liked a good amount of stuff he did. He wasn't a bad guy scheme wise, he was just a horrible DC when it came to everything else required of the job.

But injuries were a huge problem. Tim Lewis just plain sucked. By far the worst DC I ever seen in my life.

The 2 times the Giants have been SB caliber teams, we've had good DCs. John Fox, then Spagnuolo.

In between those 2 guys, we've had crap at DC, and it shows. The proof is in the pudding. The Giants have always had talent on defense. But they do a terrible job of finding coordinators to harness that talent.


No way, Sheridan was terrible by far! We made the playoffs with both Lewis and Hufangel! Sheridan was a mess! Defense lost it's fire and passion because the guy at the controls was stupid! They had no faith in him anymore, and just tuned him out.

[Rosebud]

In my opinion, it goes beyond the DC too.

To be successful, the Giants need their pass rushers to play on a high level. Tuck struggled last year, probably due to injury more than anything else. Osi was not as big of a factor as he should have been. I think the Giants realize this, and that is one of the reasons they drafted JPP. Now, the question is, can JPP be the guy they need to come off the edge and apply constant pressure? Maybe, maybe not. The kid has loads of potential, but he's very raw. That's the bigger question mark, in my mind, than DC: the pass rushers the Giants have right now.

Free safety / secondary is still a question too. No doubt Antrell Rolle will be alot better than CC Brown, but he's not a special player, or at least he wasn't in Arizona. Will he significantly upgrade the secondary or will he make a marginal impact? Will Kenny Phillips come back healthy or will his injuries still impact his performance. Despite the amount of money the Giants threw at the position, safety is still a question mark (smaller, but still there) for the Giants in 2010.

Also, I still don't know what the Giants are planning to do @ MLB. Are they starting a rookie in that spot next year?

Meh, Tuck won't be playing all year with one shoulder because of a Flozell trip, although he's sure to get banged up at some point, Osi is a further year removed from his ACL tear, Kiwi should actually be up to DE weight this year to turn his pressures into sacks, Alford's back, our run D is less embarassingly bad and even if Rolle is only a good starter, which I doubt given he seems like a Byrd clone and Byrd blew up under Fewell, having him, Kenny back and a rookie Chad Jones means QB won't just be able to throw the ball at our safeties and no that it'll go for a long completion.

As for MLB we're probably starting Goff who's at least as good as AP has been since he got fat and with an improved DL that will significantly improve our run D, plus we've got a good competition between Goff, Dillard, Kehl and Gerris just to make sure whoever ends up the starter has been busting his ass.

[Rosebud]

Fox followed by Lewis followed by Spags followed by Sheridan followed by Fewell

If current trends continue Fewell will be a stud and move on to be a HC.

[bigbluedefense]

No way, Sheridan was terrible by far! We made the playoffs with both Lewis and Hufangel! Sheridan was a mess! Defense lost it's fire and passion because the guy at the controls was stupid! They had no faith in him anymore, and just tuned him out.

From an X and O standpoint, there was NO WAY Sheridan was worse than Lewis.

If Sheridan had a healthy D, we wouldn't go 8-8.

The only thing from an X and O standpoint that Sheridan didn't do well was his blitz packages. Too predictable, and not creative. But his coverage schemes were actually better than Spagnuolos when he had a healthy cast.

Sheridan just wasn't built to be a DC. He had the mind, but he didn't have the charisma, experience, confidence, or knowledge of the little things to hack it.

[bigbluedefense]

Theres no question the Giants have some major questionmarks. Like the health and productivity of our dline, our concern at MIKE, Kenny Phillips health, and Perry Fewell.

To be honest, I'm pretty confident in everything except Fewell. I think our dline has a huge bounceback year, and I think you'll see our issue at MIKE was overblown (although still an area that can be upgraded), and I think whether KP can come back or not, we've put ourselves in a position where we'll be ok without him.

But Fewell...it all depends on Fewell....

[NY+Giants=NYG]

From an X and O standpoint, there was NO WAY Sheridan was worse than Lewis.

If Sheridan had a healthy D, we wouldn't go 8-8.

The only thing from an X and O standpoint that Sheridan didn't do well was his blitz packages. Too predictable, and not creative. But his coverage schemes were actually better than Spagnuolos when he had a healthy cast.

Sheridan just wasn't built to be a DC. He had the mind, but he didn't have the charisma, experience, confidence, or knowledge of the little things to hack it.

Of course he is worse! Granted we have injuries, but the defense was a mess! 5 times teams scored 40 or more points, to the point where the defense gives up on you is a big red sign! Plus he is a 1 and done coach.

Which is worse 314 points against or 427?! The scheme sucked VERY badly BBD. It's not even close! I would be VERY surprised if SHeridan got another chance to be DC after this mess. At least Lewis got another shot after Pittsburgh. Sheridan is by far worse than Lewis from an Xs and Os standpoint. The scheme was piss poor by both coaches, but Sheridan wins this battle. 427 points, team giving up on him, lack of communication among players, and being a 1 and done coach.

[Morton]

I'd be more concerned about JPP, Osi, Kiwi, and Tuck than Fewell if I were a Giants fan, to be honest.

JPP = college kid with 8 starts, lots of potential but who knows?

Osi = speed rusher who tore his ACL. ACL tears = death for speed rushers.

Tuck = best DE on the roster but coming off a shoulder injury.

Kiwi = marginal talent, how good will he be in the future?

[bigbluedefense]

Of course he is worse! Granted we have injuries, but the defense was a mess! 5 times teams scored 40 or more points, to the point where the defense gives up on you is a big red sign! Plus he is a 1 and done coach.

Which is worse 314 points against or 427?! The scheme sucked VERY badly BBD. It's not even close! I would be VERY surprised if SHeridan got another chance to be DC after this mess. At least Lewis got another shot after Pittsburgh. Sheridan is by far worse than Lewis from an Xs and Os standpoint. The scheme was piss poor by both coaches, but Sheridan wins this battle. 427 points, team giving up on him, lack of communication among players, and being a 1 and done coach.

Sheridan's defense sucked bc it couldn't stop the run, and didn't have a safety on the back end.

So when you factor in running at will and PA pass, they had no chance. Go back and look at his actual playcalling and his coverage schemes. it wasn't all that bad.

After every game I was livid with him, calling for his head. Then I went back and watched the game, and broke down the playcalls and what not, and I realized that Sheridan did damn near everything he could. he tried EVERYTHING, to see if it worked.

None of it did. They were just too injured, and our safeties were just absolutely horrible.

When you can't stop the run, your redzone defense suffers. That's all there is too it. We had an entire dline incapable of stopping the run and a horrible set of LBs at MIKE and SAM.

Lewis was much worse.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I'd be more concerned about JPP, Osi, Kiwi, and Tuck than Fewell if I were a Giants fan, to be honest.

JPP = college kid with 8 starts, lots of potential but who knows?

Osi = speed rusher who tore his ACL. ACL tears = death for speed rushers.

Tuck = best DE on the roster but coming off a shoulder injury.

Kiwi = marginal talent, how good will he be in the future?

That falls under scheme and injuries. I think JPP will be eased in and be in the rotation. He was ranked 6th on our board, and we seem to pump out good DEs so I am not worried about JPP.

Osi needs to mentally want to play, and we will see how he does this year. I am sure he will be closely watched. But then again we have Kiwi and JPP to mix and in and out. So Osi needs to step it up, and hopefully this new system helps. Tuck hurt his shoulder but everything else was fine. He should be ready to go. Hopefully this year he can stay healthy for once.

Kiwi has good talent, but we screwed up with his development from day 1. Having him be an end, then LB, where he broke his leg, and then moving him back to DE. So we need to develop him, or next year let him go. Either he or Osi will be gone next year, and it would seem Kiwi wants to start. So one of those guys will stay while the other hits the road.

It's just not that pass rush though. Fewell needs to be creative in his blitz packages as well, something bonehead Sheridan wasn't. So factor that in the scheme category. So when you add that with injuries to our DEs, it was one big mess. But our pass rush should be fine as a seperate entity, but Fewell needs to supplement that rush with pressure from other positions. Hopefully when you add everything together it will be a successful formula for us.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Sheridan's defense sucked bc it couldn't stop the run, and didn't have a safety on the back end.

So when you factor in running at will and PA pass, they had no chance. Go back and look at his actual playcalling and his coverage schemes. it wasn't all that bad.

After every game I was livid with him, calling for his head. Then I went back and watched the game, and broke down the playcalls and what not, and I realized that Sheridan did damn near everything he could. he tried EVERYTHING, to see if it worked.

None of it did. They were just too injured, and our safeties were just absolutely horrible.

When you can't stop the run, your redzone defense suffers. That's all there is too it. We had an entire dline incapable of stopping the run and a horrible set of LBs at MIKE and SAM.

Lewis was much worse.


I disagree. Even the blitzes were piss poor! Blitzing B gap on over, to the point where QBs can easily get rid of the ball. Obviously injuries hurt us too, but the scheme was terrible! So bad that it the players game up on him. Lewis's scheme was bad but it gave him two years! Let's put it this way, with him and Hufangel, we manage to make the playoffs twice!

314, and 362 points in a season was bad, but no where near the idiotic level this was. Well for the ability not to stop the run you have to take a look at the various fronts used and compare them to both coordinators. Lewis tried to be cute using hybrid crap, while Sheridan stuck to more of a 4-3 and still got owned.

Even his communication among the players was piss poor. PLayers would say there would be a communication problem, while the Sheridan, when interviewed by the media, would say he wasn't aware there was any communication problem! Way to go Sheridan, glad you're on top of the pulse of your defense! Sheridan is by far much worse than Lewis. Like I said injuries hurt us, but his scheme was god awful. Factor in injuries which hurt us too, and Sheridan's scheme, quiet personality, was enough to doom him. Sheridan was by far the worse DC of the two. It's not even close. What is it 60 points difference between the two? If you are going to suck, fine, but when teams are running a train on you and putting up 40 points a game, something is very wrong! We had injuries but our talent wasn't that bad! It was because that fool's scheme was garbage!

[bigbluedefense]

I disagree. Even the blitzes were piss poor! Blitzing B gap on over, to the point where QBs can easily get rid of the ball. Obviously injuries hurt us too, but the scheme was terrible! So bad that it the players game up on him. Lewis's scheme was bad but it gave him two years! Let's put it this way, with him and Hufangel, we manage to make the playoffs twice!

314, and 362 points in a season was bad, but no where near the idiotic level this was. Well for the ability not to stop the run you have to take a look at the various fronts used and compare them to both coordinators. Lewis tried to be cute using hybrid crap, while Sheridan stuck to more of a 4-3 and still got owned.

Even his communication among the players was piss poor. PLayers would say there would be a communication problem, while the Sheridan, when interviewed by the media, would say he wasn't aware there was any communication problem! Way to go Sheridan, glad you're on top of the pulse of your defense! Sheridan is by far much worse than Lewis. Like I said injuries hurt us, but his scheme was god awful. Factor in injuries which hurt us too, and Sheridan's scheme, quiet personality, was enough to doom him. Sheridan was by far the worse DC of the two. It's not even close. What is it 60 points difference between the two? If you are going to suck, fine, but when teams are running a train on you and putting up 40 points a game, something is very wrong! We had injuries but our talent wasn't that bad! It was because that fool's scheme was garbage!

I admit his blitz packages were poor, but that was about it. His coverages were actually pretty good. And he tried everything. None of it worked.

Tim Lewis ran the same thing. Over and over and over again. There were times when we ran the same coverage 6 times in a row. It was pathetic.

The only thing Sheridan couldve done to help his run D was have them slant into gaps. But he didn't, and it probably wouldn't matter, considering how beat up our front 4 was.

Players stop the run. DC's get paid to stop the pass. There's no scheme you can draw up to stop the run. Either your front can do it, or they can't.

All you can do is load up the box and hope they're physical enough to do it. And run blitz.

[Rosebud]

I'd be more concerned about JPP, Osi, Kiwi, and Tuck than Fewell if I were a Giants fan, to be honest.

JPP = college kid with 8 starts, lots of potential but who knows?

Osi = speed rusher who tore his ACL. ACL tears = death for speed rushers.

Tuck = best DE on the roster but coming off a shoulder injury.

Kiwi = marginal talent, how good will he be in the future?

JPP will try hard, I don't want to do the research but there have been other top edge rushers who've come back from ACL tears after time, Tuck isn't a concern, he'll get banged up but he'll still beast before then and depending on the injury after then. Kiwi isn't a marginal talent he's just never gotten his weight back up to what it was in college so he almost never finishes off pressures with sacks because he just lacks the strength. I have almost no concerns about this group, they will be good, just how good remains to be seen.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I admit his blitz packages were poor, but that was about it. His coverages were actually pretty good. And he tried everything. None of it worked.

Tim Lewis ran the same thing. Over and over and over again. There were times when we ran the same coverage 6 times in a row. It was pathetic.

The only thing Sheridan couldve done to help his run D was have them slant into gaps. But he didn't, and it probably wouldn't matter, considering how beat up our front 4 was.

Players stop the run. DC's get paid to stop the pass. There's no scheme you can draw up to stop the run. Either your front can do it, or they can't.

All you can do is load up the box and hope they're physical enough to do it. And run blitz.



The scheme was poor too. That with the bad blitzes, with the injuries, alll equals a horrible DC. What about Tuck covering Gates 30 yards downfield during the SD Chargers game? Is that a sound scheme? Pro bowl TE against a defensive end, 30 yards down field?

DCs got paid for both.. Just look at a pro playbook, it has rules for BOTH! DCs get paid for writing out specific instruction on both, and then repping that during practice. If the DC sucks, and scheme sucks, then players are following a scheme that is horrible, and this is reflected by the blitzes which you agree on. That's the one tangible evidence we have without actually reading the defensive playbook ourselves. In this league, as a coordinator, you get paid for writing your playbook to stop the run and stop the pass. Conversely, a OC has to write his book to run the ball, and pass the ball. If both sides seem to suck, that it's evidence that the culprit is the coordinator.

If a coordinator scheme sucks, and his players cant stop the run AND pass, then guess what? You will see these results translate to 5 games with 40 or more points. Guess what? You will see your players give up on you! Guess what? You will have a very high PA number because of it. This is all indicative of a horrible scheme BBD.

The proof is there. If it wasn't this bad, the players would have asked to keep him, and blame themselves. The Maras and Coughlin aren't stupid, they would have saw this. The Mara family couldn't wait to get this guy out. Sheridan's scheme was a joke! We could have had an all pro defense and still suck! Why? Because players would be blitzing wrong gaps, allowing Qbs to hit passes at will.

[katnip]

Redskins. I hope Portis has a big year though

[D-Unit]

I think people are also underestimating Mike Shanahan.

Eagles fans were saying how bad a coach Andy Reid was last year. Any Eagles fans want to dispute that and stick up for him?

If the Eagles suck this year, I think they'll be asking for him to get fired.

[Thumper]

I think people are also underestimating Mike Shanahan.

Eagles fans were saying how bad a coach Andy Reid was last year. Any Eagles fans want to dispute that and stick up for him?

If the Eagles suck this year, I think they'll be asking for him to get fired.

Shanny is like an Andy Reid clone so I really don't see the difference. Shanahan is actually more pass happy than Andy Reid, in his last year in Denver he threw 61% of the time. Also he has a terrible eye for defensive talent.

Sure Andy Reid has his moments where he gets too pass happy and he doesn't manage the clock well but other than that he is one of the best coaches in the game. In terms of Xs and Os you'd be hard pressed to find someone better. He is good enough to make the Eagles the third winningest franchise of the decade and good enough to win 118 games.

And big shock there, the Eagles fans want him fired when he is winning.

But please, tell me where the Redskins are better than the Eagles. The Eagles are better at RB, FB, OL, WR, DL, CB, FS, SS and the Redskins are better at QB and LB. TE is a wash, Celek is better than Davis and Cooley but the Redskins have better depth.

Lets not forget D-Unit, your coach is worse than Andy Reid and your offensive coordinator isn't exactly the best in the game.

[Rosebud]

I think people are also underestimating Mike Shanahan.

Eagles fans were saying how bad a coach Andy Reid was last year. Any Eagles fans want to dispute that and stick up for him?

If the Eagles suck this year, I think they'll be asking for him to get fired.

Shanahan can't make them much worse than they already are and judging by the poll most people already consider the Skins last in the NFC East so even if we are under-rating Shanny that'd only strengthen our opinion.

[General Zod]

th.

Lets not forget your coach is worse than Andy Reid.


So your saying that Mike Shanahan is a worse coach then Andy Reid?

[Thumper]

So your saying that Mike Shanahan is a worse coach then Andy Reid?

No, I'm saying Shanny and Andy Reid run the same philosophy and even if I was saying that it really wouldn't be outragous to think that. The part you quoted I was talking about Wade Phillips.

[D-Unit]

Shanny is like an Andy Reid clone so I really don't see the difference. Shanahan is actually more pass happy than Andy Reid, in his last year in Denver he threw 61% of the time. Also he has a terrible eye for defensive talent.

Sure Andy Reid has his moments where he gets too pass happy and he doesn't manage the clock well but other than that he is one of the best coaches in the game. In terms of Xs and Os you'd be hard pressed to find someone better. He is good enough to make the Eagles the third winningest franchise of the decade and good enough to win 118 games.

And big shock there, the Eagles fans want him fired when he is winning.

But please, tell me where the Redskins are better than the Eagles. The Eagles are better at RB, FB, OL, WR, DL, CB, FS, SS and the Redskins are better at QB and LB. TE is a wash, Celek is better than Davis and Cooley but the Redskins have better depth.

Lets not forget D-Unit, your coach is worse than Andy Reid and your offensive coordinator isn't exactly the best in the game.
Answer me this... Do you want Andy Reid fired or are you one of his supporters?

Today, this is a QB driven league. Look around. If you don't have a good QB, you're not gonna be a good team.

As for my coach being worse than Reid... umm... what does the record say?

Under Phillips, the Cowboys are 33-15 in the regular season and have claimed two NFC East titles in three seasons. This year, his defense allowed the fewest points in the NFC.

How does Reid match up to that? You have the nerve... especially after we beat you 3 times last year... including 2 weeks in a damn row. Eat crow.

[21ST]

Shanny is like an Andy Reid clone so I really don't see the difference. Shanahan is actually more pass happy than Andy Reid, in his last year in Denver he threw 61% of the time. Also he has a terrible eye for defensive talent.

Sure Andy Reid has his moments where he gets too pass happy and he doesn't manage the clock well but other than that he is one of the best coaches in the game. In terms of Xs and Os you'd be hard pressed to find someone better. He is good enough to make the Eagles the third winningest franchise of the decade and good enough to win 118 games.

And big shock there, the Eagles fans want him fired when he is winning.

But please, tell me where the Redskins are better than the Eagles. The Eagles are better at RB, FB, OL, WR, DL, CB, FS, SS and the Redskins are better at QB and LB. TE is a wash, Celek is better than Davis and Cooley but the Redskins have better depth.

Lets not forget D-Unit, your coach is worse than Andy Reid and your offensive coordinator isn't exactly the best in the game.

Celek is better than davis and cooley at doing what?

[Sniper]

Celek is better than davis and cooley at doing what?

Besides catching passes and blocking? Nothing. Unless you missed his near-1,000 yard season, that's a ******** question.

[Sniper]

And big shock there, the Eagles fans want him fired when he is winning.

Because no one gives a flying **** about division titles and making the playoffs anymore. Go big or go home.

For the record, I'll say...

1. Dallas- Pretty f'n easy pick.
2. New York
3. Philly
4. Washington

[FUNBUNCHER]

Eagles better than Skins at RB?? They're younger, McCoy has outstanding ability, but his production isn't there yet. The Eagles haven't had a RB rush for over a 1000 yards more than twice in what, the last 8-10 years??

Celek is a pro bowl caliber TE, thing is, the Skins have 2 in Fred Davis and Chris Cooley.
The SKins WRs, except for Moss, are mostly unproven, but since Cerrato was fired, it's good to know the HC no longer has a GM who's telling him who to play(!) because of the amount of money the team has invested in him.

The big difference between the Eagles and Skins is the QB, ( no surprise!), and their Olines. Eagles are better in the trenches IMO, and the Eagles will only go as far as Kolb takes them on offense.

I'm not gonna big up the SKins that much at this point, because let's face it, they haven't been consistently relevant in the NFC East for almost two decades.

However, SHanahan and a healthy McNabb are just enough to put the SKins in the playoff hunt the entire season.

[21ST]

Besides catching passes and blocking? Nothing. Unless you missed his near-1,000 yard season, that's a ******** question.

LOL after all the passes you watched him drop in his "near 1,000 yard season" how can you honestly say he can catch better than either one of them. Dont let one good season get you thinking stupid

[LizardState]

I'd be more concerned about JPP, Osi, Kiwi, and Tuck than Fewell if I were a Giants fan, to be honest.

JPP = college kid with 8 starts, lots of potential but who knows?

Osi = speed rusher who tore his ACL. ACL tears = death for speed rushers.

Tuck = best DE on the roster but coming off a shoulder injury.

Kiwi = marginal talent, how good will he be in the future?

Forgot about Canty, he couldnt stay healthy in Dallas or with the Giants or at UVA either. What an unbelievable talent waste.

Voted Redskins, their usual offseason strategy of throwing big $ at FAs won't work any better now, & they're missing their stars (Samuels retired, their QB with the most recent starts Campbell is now a Raider)

[Brent]

It's obviously the Arizona Cardinals. The loss of Jake Plummer to Denver is going to kill them.

[Smooth Criminal]

I gotta go with the team with the worst QB. That would be you Philly.

[toddmlazarchick]

But please, tell me where the Redskins are better than the Eagles. The Eagles are better at RB, FB, OL, WR, DL, CB, FS, SS and the Redskins are better at QB and LB. TE is a wash, Celek is better than Davis and Cooley but the Redskins have better depth.

Holy homerism at its finest!

[Sniper]

LOL after all the passes you watched him drop in his "near 1,000 yard season" how can you honestly say he can catch better than either one of them. Dont let one good season get you thinking stupid

Because at the end of the day, he still outproduced them.

[Thumper]

Answer me this... Do you want Andy Reid fired or are you one of his supporters?

After the San Diego and Oakland games I was a big detractor but I stepped back and needed to realize that Andy Reid is a good coach. I support him but I also recognize his flaws.

Today, this is a QB driven league. Look around. If you don't have a good QB, you're not gonna be a good team.

Kevin Kolb = good QB

[Sniper]

I gotta go with the team with the worst QB. That would be you Philly.

We have Kevin Kolb. According to some, he's a hybrid of Tom Brady, Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning, and Fran Tarkenton. So....

[toddmlazarchick]

After the San Diego and Oakland games I was a big detractor but I stepped back and needed to realize that Andy Reid is a good coach. I support him but I also recognize his flaws.



Kevin Kolb = good QB

Right because of all his prolonged success :rolleyes:

[Sniper]

Right because of all his prolonged success :rolleyes:

But he carved up two bottom-10 secondaries on seven billion attempts. This makes him good, I assure you. :D

[Thumper]

Holy homerism at its finest!

Want to prove me wrong? Your Redskins are terrible, get over it.

[Rosebud]

Want to prove me wrong? Your Redskins are terrible, get over it.

No doubt the Redskins are terrible but Cooley's still a better TE than Celek, I like Celek and he may have outproduced Cooley last year, but one can't help but wonder how much Celek benefit from catching passes from two current NFC East starters while Cooley was catching passes from a guy who's going to be competing with JaWalrus and Grad for the starting spot. Also can't neglect the fact that Djax was tearing teams up deep and opening a lot of the field up for Maclin, Celek and co.

The DL's and FB are pretty close to, although I do love the addition of Graham for Philly, him and Cole are going to be a scary duo for many many years.

[General Zod]

We have Kevin Kolb. According to some, he's a hybrid of Tom Brady, Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning, and Fran Tarkenton. So....

Your kidding right?

[NY+Giants=NYG]

We have Kevin Kolb. According to some, he's a hybrid of Tom Brady, Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning, and Fran Tarkenton. So....

And god.. Don't forget him!

[Gay Ork Wang]

Your kidding right?
he is. Thumper on the other hand isnt

[Sniper]

Your kidding right?

No, it's true. Thumper told me a million times, so it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





















Yes, I'm kidding. Kolb sucks, but don't tell Thumper that.

[D-Unit]

Right because of all his prolonged success :rolleyes:
Who made that sig? It is KICK ASS!

[Rosebud]

Your kidding right?

You clearly have never seen the greatness that is Kevin Kolb...which is probably a good thing since he's like having sex on Ecstasy, only 592 times worse, nothing will ever compare to watching the Kolbzzzzzzzz(that's 8 z's, exactly one more than Jordyzzzzzzz)

[D-Unit]

After the San Diego and Oakland games I was a big detractor but I stepped back and needed to realize that Andy Reid is a good coach. I support him but I also recognize his flaws.

So in other words, you support him when he wins, and want him fired when he loses... k gotcha.

[Thumper]

So in other words, you support him when he wins, and want him fired when he loses... k gotcha.

No, those two games were just bad playcalling and time management, those were Andy Reid at his worst. But I can't let those bad losses blind me, he is a good coach who has taken the Eagles team out of the basement and made them consistent contenders.

[superman8456]

So in other words, you support him when he wins, and want him fired when he loses... k gotcha.

Pretty much how Cowboys fans were saying if Wade Phillips won a playoff game he could stay, but if he didnt, he should get canned. Not much of a difference there.

[D-Unit]

Pretty much how Cowboys fans were saying if Wade Phillips won a playoff game he could stay, but if he didnt, he should get canned. Not much of a difference there.
Yeah, but those who were saying it weren't afraid of saying it. Weren't calling him one of the best coaches around or anything. The praise Reid gets is always high at the beginning of the season, then towards the end of the season you guys want him fired. You wait for the draft to get high on him again. LOL.

[Sniper]

Yeah, but those who were saying it weren't afraid of saying it. Weren't calling him one of the best coaches around or anything. The praise Reid gets is always high at the beginning of the season, then towards the end of the season you guys want him fired. You wait for the draft to get high on him again. LOL.

He drafted Brandon Graham. He deserves praise for this!!!!!!

[superman8456]

Yeah, but those who were saying it weren't afraid of saying it. Weren't calling him one of the best coaches around or anything. The praise Reid gets is always high at the beginning of the season, then towards the end of the season you guys want him fired. You wait for the draft to get high on him again. LOL.

Im pretty sure around the draft every fan gets high on their team. They just added a lot of talent between the draft, free agency, and trades.

People who dont like Andy Reid are pretty consistent about it. Much like how people who didnt like McNabb were also pretty consistent about that as well, because usually those were the same people.

Any Reid is a damn good football coach.

[ironman4579]

Any Reid is a damn good football.

I'm not sure he has the right aerodynamics, and I don't even want to THINK about where the laces are...................

[J-Mike88]

This is a tough call, and good question.
The Eagles were everyone's darling midway thru December last year, then the Cowboys exposed the he11 out of them. But I love Brandon Graham so their defense will be better. I think Kolb is good.

For me, it's between the Redskins and Giants. The Giants looked like crap down the stretch last year and that team seemed like they were gonna self-destruct.

I'd predict:
1- Dallas 11-5
2- Eagles 10-6
3- Red Skins 9-7
4- Giants 7-9

[Malaka]

Which is because the defense gave up on that POS Bill Sheridan, we were in fact imploding, but the offense remained stalwart on the shoulders of the crippled Eli Manning. Now we also have a new defensive coordinator who I pray will deliver us to the promise land. We are a much more talented team on defense than we were with spags we just lack the coaching. The offense is going to be even better next year I promise.

[Thumper]

The chink in the Cowboys armor: An aging offensive line.

The Cowboys line is the oldest in the entire NFL by nearly a year. Of the oldest 26 lineman in the NFL, 4 of them are Cowboys. Last year they remained healthy except for Columbo but the Cowboys had the luxury of Doug Free back then. Now their depth is questionable at best, Pat McQuistan, Duke Preston, Cory Proctor, Montrae Holland, and Robert Brewster are the back-ups to the oldest line in football. If age finally catches up with the Cowboys line the Cowboys better be scared. We all saw how quickly the Giants offensive line faded last season after being regarded as the best in football, now the Cowboys line is another year older and missing their starting LT. A bad offensive is one huge hinderance for an offense and if age catches up with them, things aren't going to end well for Tony Romo and the Cowboys especially in the NFC East.

[DoughBoy]

I hope the AFC rivalry can be this heated one day..... It'll give me something to do during the off season if anything.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Toss up between the Eagles and Redskins. I went with the Eagles because I have zero faith in Kolb. Now, if they were to start my man Mike Vick...

[Thumper]

Toss up between the Eagles and Redskins. I went with the Eagles because I have zero faith in Kolb. Now, if they were to start my man Mike Vick...

May I ask you why you have no faith in Kolb?

[Sniper]

May I ask you why you have no faith in Kolb?

I could be wrong, but he probably realizes that Kolb isn't good.

[Thumper]

I could be wrong, but he probably realizes that Kolb isn't good.

No, please elaborate, tell me why Kolb is no good.

[Malaka]

No, please elaborate, tell me why Kolb is no good.

Normally I would partake in this Socratic discussion by asking "Can you tell me why Kolb is good?" but I don't want to head down that road again.

[Sniper]

No, please elaborate, tell me why Kolb is no good.

I already have and I know that if I post it again, you'll have the same recycled, rehashed, old, unoriginal, and useless novel of a post that you always seem to just copy and paste whenever someone speaks about your beloved boyfriend. Now, since I'm not trying to read that blithering stupidity, I'll just recommend that you go read what I said on the topic the first 763 times you brought it up.

[tjsunstein]

No, please elaborate, tell me why Kolb is no good.
He's proved absolutely nothing on an NFL level. He played against second level competition in college. Not saying he's not good, he just hasn't shown anything promising to me. Therefore, I'm a little pessimistic when it comes to his future.

[BaLLiN]

he did show pretty well in the games he started while McNabb was out, y'kno they said the same things about Aaron Rodgers.

[TitanHope]

No, please elaborate, tell me why Kolb is no good.

He hasn't proven he's good yet, so demonstrably speaking, Kevin Kolb is not good. That's not to say he won't be good. Just that right now he's not going to be accepted as that because he hasn't proven it outside of one game against Kansas City, which frankly isn't that impressive considering the caliber of opponent. He's 1-1 as a starter with a career QB rating of 68.9, so there's not much to make an argument for that wouldn't be pure speculation.

The consecutive 300-yard passing perfomances to start his career is impresive, but in context, one game was against a horrible defense and the other game he threw the ball 51 times. He has more to prove to his skeptics.

[Sniper]

he did show pretty well in the games he started while McNabb was out, y'kno they said the same things about Aaron Rodgers.

Small sample size + quality of defensive competition + circumstances of the game = one hell of a bad argument.

[scottyboy]

that and aaron rodgers is, and was, well...good

[tjsunstein]

he did show pretty well in the games he started while McNabb was out, y'kno they said the same things about Aaron Rodgers.
In what games did he fair well?

Against the Saints where they played prevent basically the whole second half because of their lead? Kolb threw it 51 times and managed 2 TDs compared to 3 picks.

Or against the Chiefs? One of the worst pass defenses last year? No secondary with all day to throw, I could go 24/34.

[Thumper]

Trying to convince you guys isn't worth my time, obviously I disagree with all of you. Its okay though, Kevin Kolb will prove all of you wrong during the season.

[scottyboy]

thumper, if kevin kolb sucks large chein-mien wang this season, can you post a video of yourself eating crow?

[Rosebud]

Trying to convince you guys isn't worth my time, obviously I disagree with all of you. Its okay though, Kevin Kolb will prove all of you wrong during the season.

No he won't, even if he plays well that won't prove most of us wrong. We're not saying he sucks and will always suck its just that he hasn't shown nearly enough to say he's already good, he could be good, we just don't know that right now.

[Rosebud]

This is a tough call, and good question.
The Eagles were everyone's darling midway thru December last year, then the Cowboys exposed the he11 out of them. But I love Brandon Graham so their defense will be better. I think Kolb is good.

For me, it's between the Redskins and Giants. The Giants looked like crap down the stretch last year and that team seemed like they were gonna self-destruct.

I'd predict:
1- Dallas 11-5
2- Eagles 10-6
3- Red Skins 9-7
4- Giants 7-9

We were kind of decimated by injuries and a terrible DC who lost his players on D, a QB with two injured feet, a beaten up OL and missed our top two backs, so yeah we did implode, but if we don't get destroyed by injuries again we have more talent at our biggest weaknesses and a much better DC alongside an offense that should only get better and better as we rebuild our OL and our young receivers become mroe and more consistent.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Trying to convince you guys isn't worth my time, obviously I disagree with all of you. Its okay though, Kevin Kolb will prove all of you wrong during the season.

He very well could be good. Rodgers had time to sit behind Brett and learn the system. I expect Kolb to be decent if not good since he got to learn the system and take reps. Now it's up to him to actually prove it.

[DiG]

Trying to convince you guys isn't worth my time,

or ours for that matter.

[Go_Eagles77]

I trust Andy Reid enough to know the thought about trading McNabb wouldn't have even entered his mind if he didn't think Kolb was ready to be a quality NFL starting QB. Sure, we only have that small sample size of him, but he's seen him in practice for years, I guarantee Reid didn't make him the starting QB based off those games. It's not only McNabb but the whole eagles organization including the players have very high confidence in Kolb. He has all the tools to be a great QB, he has more than adequate arm strength and excellent accuracy, he gets the ball out much faster than McNabb, he even has decent mobility for a QB, granted not as good as McNabb but not many are. He's just a perfect fit for this offense. I fully expect him to have a better season than McNabb this season. I also think he'll have a higher completion percentage than McNabb has had in his whole career.

[zachsaints52]

1. Cowboys 9-7
2. Reskins 9-7
3. Giants 8-8
4. Eagles 5-11

I don't know why I got those, but I just think the Cowboys will have everything working, and the Redskins will beat the Eagles twice.

[thenewfeature06]

As for this question, If I had a gun to my head.. Eagles.

For some reason once this trade happened I thought Eagles were kind of in a hole. Sure Kolb has played some games, tore up a Saints secondary which at times looked nothing more than average. I just cant see the transistion being THAT easy to where they can get 8 wins. Youth is there problem as of now but the players they have are extremely talented. The loss of Jim Johnson still hurts this team and the fact that you got guys like West, Dawk and now Mcnabb gone, it is a new era in Philly.

The Redskins to me can contend now, maybe not for the division but a wild card potentially. The defense will be good again I would like to think, the secondary worries me a bit, as well as the wr core. The line for them will play better as a whole and McNabb doesnt need a brick wall in front of him but he does need some progress from guys like Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Fred Davis..Also, like the coaching switch obviously as well as Portis, LJ, Parker in the backfield.

Giants could have a bounce back year but the defense needs to play ALOT better if they want to go anywhere. They also need to get back to that running game they had 2 years ago, which they can do eith Jacobs,Shaw, and Andre Brown is boss. Pretty basic for them, talent is there.

Cowboys will probably win the division considering they won a playoff game last year, and they probably are alot more comfortable when they get into games.

[21ST]

Because at the end of the day, he still outproduced them.

How did he outproduce them

[Paranoidmoonduck]

NFC East fans are funny (and a little bit sad).

[yourfavestoner]

NFC East fans are funny (and a little bit sad).

I'll just say that I'm happy I live on the West Coast and not the Northeast. They're just way too intense about their sports (and life in general) up there.

[Go_Eagles77]

How did he outproduce them
How about Celek had a better year statistically last year than Cooley ever had. He's as good of an athlete, a much better blocker, and is a beast after the catch. He also has some of the best hands on the team, don't know where you got the idea that he drops a lot of passes. And are you seriously trying to say you would take Fred Davis over Celek too? Celek is the 2nd best TE in the division now and one of the best young TEs in the league, and anyone who has seen more than 2 games of his last year (which is all I'm assuming you saw) and that includes non-eagles fans, would agree with me.

[bigbluedefense]

I'll just say that I'm happy I live on the West Coast and not the Northeast. They're just way too intense about their sports (and life in general) up there.

It's true lol. To be honest though, living in the northeast my whole life, after visiting Cali, there's just no way in hell i can ever live there. Everything is SOOOO laid back, and I'm intense, always hyper and on the go and etc etc, that I can't live there.

I'm pretty much a northeast for life guy. I love the intensity, pressure, and hustle and bustle of it.

But I can see why it's not for everyone. I'd visit Cali and Florida for vacations, but I can't live there permanently.

That said, your bitches>>>>our bitches.

in case that's blanked out, replace the word with women lol.

[bigbluedefense]

Andy Reid is the most unappreciated coach I can think of in some time. The guy is the reason why the Eagles are consistently a great team. He drafts great, is a great X and O coach, does a great job of having his team mentally prepared for each game and playing hard each game, and does a great job of knowing when to release aging talent.

The only knocks on the guy is his refusal to run the ball, and his poor game management skills. And for that reason, I don't feel he'll ever win a SB.

But the guy is a hell of a coach. The Eagles will miss him greatly if they ever let him go.

[yourfavestoner]

It's true lol. To be honest though, living in the northeast my whole life, after visiting Cali, there's just no way in hell i can ever live there. Everything is SOOOO laid back, and I'm intense, always hyper and on the go and etc etc, that I can't live there.

I'm pretty much a northeast for life guy. I love the intensity, pressure, and hustle and bustle of it.

But I can see why it's not for everyone. I'd visit Cali and Florida for vacations, but I can't live there permanently.

That said, your bitches>>>>our bitches.

in case that's blanked out, replace the word with women lol.

You know what I do appreciate about the Northeast though? People aren't fake up there. On the West people will tell you whatever they think you want to hear just to try to use you for something or make a buck off you. Up there, people are gonna tell you exactly what they're thinking, no BSing around. And I like that.

But yeah, our bitches>everyone's bitches. You're right about that. ;) Although, Miami could give us a serious run for our money.

[Sniper]

How did he outproduce them

http://nolifing.com/files/e3f292844a15.jpg

Brent Celek- 15 GP, 76 catches, 971 yards, 12.8 ypc, 8 TDs with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Shady McCoy, and Jason Avant taking away passes.

Chris Cooley- 7 GP, 29 catches, 332 yards, 11.4 ypc, 2 TDs with um...nobody else taking away passes from him.

Fred Davis- 16 GP, 48 catches, 509 yards, 10.6 ypc, 6 TDs

Celek had 130 more yards than Cooley and Davis had combined and the same amount of TDs.

[21ST]

http://nolifing.com/files/e3f292844a15.jpg

Brent Celek- 15 GP, 76 catches, 971 yards, 12.8 ypc, 8 TDs with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Shady McCoy, and Jason Avant taking away passes.

Chris Cooley- 7 GP, 29 catches, 332 yards, 11.4 ypc, 2 TDs with um...nobody else taking away passes from him.

Fred Davis- 16 GP, 48 catches, 509 yards, 10.6 ypc, 6 TDs

Celek had 130 more yards than Cooley and Davis had combined and the same amount of TDs.

WOW 130 more yards, so is celek better than every tight end he got more yards than?

[bigbluedefense]

You know what I do appreciate about the Northeast though? People aren't fake up there. On the West people will tell you whatever they think you want to hear just to try to use you for something or make a buck off you. Up there, people are gonna tell you exactly what they're thinking, no BSing around. And I like that.

But yeah, our bitches>everyone's bitches. You're right about that. ;) Although, Miami could give us a serious run for our money.

That was probably the 1 thing I hated the most about my time in Cali. (Although for the most part, I enjoyed the experience quite a bit). A lot of fake ppl, and I hate fake people. I'm a no nonsense guy, I'm very guilty of telling people the truth, but i feel that's the best thing you can do for ppl, bc lying to people doesn't do them any favors.

I went bballing with a couple of friends out there at a local gym, and it was such a stark contrast to here. Over here, nobody cares what sneakers you got on, or how you look on the court. Get some shorts, any kicks, and just ball and let your game speak. Out there it was almost like it was just as important to look the part than to actually have some game. You'd get clowned on out here for that.

I've been into car customization for awhile too, and over here, you first mod the engine, THEN mod the looks. Out there, you get your body kits and rims before you get your headers and intakes.

Although cali's car game shits on ours for the most part.

Miami probably has the best girls. Not gonna lie. But Cali goes hard too. We have what I call corporate hoes. Those manhattan girls who are golddiggin for those stock brokers lol. And we have some models in the city, but for the most part, it's weaksauce out here compared to there.

I know this sounds ***, but I LOVE the lowrider bikes out in cali. Like these:

http://kanardo.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/lowrider-bike.jpg

I bought one for my lil bro lol. I think its pimp lol. The east coast isn't up on that.