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SeanTaylorRIP
05-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Time to start some new threads for this season's discussion, and new polls.

Thumper
05-02-2010, 11:41 AM
Eli Manning right now, last season he was brilliant at some points last year even though he was injured for a long time.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-02-2010, 11:44 AM
I went Romo because I feel like when he's on his game especially with accuracy, he is one of the top QB's in the league.

Malaka
05-02-2010, 12:03 PM
No homer, as of right now it has to be Eli Manning. Last year he carried our team while having injuries in both his legs, 27 TDs and 14 INTs with a 63% completion percentage those numbers are Brady-esque pre 50 TD season. Not to mention our O-line took a huge step back, if Beatty plays great and Eli is 100% healthy I am loving him with Nicks, Manningham and Smith.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-02-2010, 12:06 PM
Well for the all the other polls. I went with NON giants players, but for this I am going with Eli. He had a career year last season while being hurt in the middle stretch. He had an unproven WR corps, and NO running game since everyone was hurt, and still managed to have a career year. So I am going with him!

So thus far:

D. Jackson
Felix Jones
Eli Manning

Awaiting the next poll now.

FreshBoy!
05-02-2010, 12:13 PM
This ones pretty close to me. Despite Austin's "breakout" season, Boys had just as many questions as the Giants receiver wise, after releasing TO, everyone wondered how great would Romo & Co. be. Everyone spelled doom and gloom, yet and still, Romo had a career year, proved Austin to be a #1, even with a subpar #2(Roy).

I dunno on this one. Romo?

superman8456
05-02-2010, 12:14 PM
No doubt in my mind, I would take Donovan McNabb ten times out of ten.

Rosebud
05-02-2010, 01:08 PM
Eli and Romo are 1a and 1b IMO with McNabb clearly in third and Kolb last for now. It's incredible the step Eli has taken since that superbowl, this is truly his team and the only reason we weren't picking in the top 10 or even higher was eli, with the worst D i've seen from my gmen, a mediocre running game, banged up and old OL and very young inconsistent receivers Eli not only carried us to 8 wins but put up some serious displays of beastness. I do like Romo a lot as well and he's probably a better regular season QB while Eli is the better late game/playoff QB.

M.O.T.H.
05-02-2010, 03:20 PM
I'm actually surprised by the poll...then again, Romo rarely gets credit. I'd figure cutting the turnovers out of his game, would be enough to make him a clear favorite. Romo still bests Eli in nearly every category, with terribly inconsistent pass blocking and a useless #2 WR. Eli's good, but he's not on Romo's level, imo. Romo is borderline top 5, and can certainly be in that top 5. Eli's more of a top 10 guy.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-02-2010, 05:35 PM
I'm actually surprised by the poll...then again, Romo rarely gets credit. I'd figure cutting the turnovers out of his game, would be enough to make him a clear favorite. Romo still bests Eli in nearly every category, with terribly inconsistent pass blocking and a useless #2 WR. Eli's good, but he's not on Romo's level, imo. Romo is borderline top 5, and can certainly be in that top 5. Eli's more of a top 10 guy.

And what? We had an amazing OL? Our OL dropped off in pass protecting and run blocking. And I don't want to hear about a useless # 2. We lost our X AND our Z WR.

Eli had his best season and we are not in a passing offense or have a great OC in Coach G money. I'd take Eli any day and twice on monday. Give us your system, and it would be no contest. The fact that hurts us is our useless system. Hopefully we can throw like we did last year, but because we want to, not because we have to.

M.O.T.H.
05-03-2010, 02:49 PM
And what? We had an amazing OL? Our OL dropped off in pass protecting and run blocking. And I don't want to hear about a useless # 2. We lost our X AND our Z WR.

Eli had his best season and we are not in a passing offense or have a great OC in Coach G money. I'd take Eli any day and twice on monday. Give us your system, and it would be no contest. The fact that hurts us is our useless system. Hopefully we can throw like we did last year, but because we want to, not because we have to.

Eli doesnt do much of anything better than Romo. Romo's more accurate, one of the league's best athletes at the position and incredibly evasive in and out of the pocket. His decision making has improved tenfold, and while he remains true to his playmaking or gunslinger self, his ball protection was fantastic. Player to player...system or not, I def. see Romo having more talent all around as a player. As for losing players...the Giants have a fine stable of weapons, so I dont see your point. Smith was healthy the entire year and Nicks and Manningham, who are both better than Williams at this point, did a fine job. Romo was basically throwing to two new starters as well in Williams and Austin. Williams/Romo were still green together and Austin didnt start until the Chiefs game, a few weeks in. Romo did his fair share of carrying this team, all while getting hit more this season than ever before with our line, who was every bit as bad in pass protection.

Romo has gotten a horrible rap for not being a late season QB. But people always fail to mention that our giant O-Line has always broken down considerably late in the season. That playoff game against the Vikings, was pretty much the standard performance out of our o-line the last few years at the end of the year. But Romo certainly made due this year, stepping up his game and finishing off the season incredibly strong. Who knows if Romo will continue to keep the turnovers down...but as of right now, he's elevated his game to a point where I think it's no question, that he is the best QB in the division.

FreshBoy!
05-03-2010, 04:07 PM
Who knows if Romo will continue to keep the turnovers down...but as of right now, he's elevated his game to a point where I think it's no question, that he is the best QB in the division.

Agreed.

One thing I know about Giants fans, are they love and will defend Eli no matter what. While Eagles fans hate they're QB who's dominated a division for a decade. A superbowl victory does wonders sometimes. All stats go out the window once that ring is worn apparently.

Which is fine. One of those things that can't really be argued.

LetsGoGiants!
05-03-2010, 04:13 PM
Went with Eli, although Romo is up there. They are so close, it will be exciting to see what they do this season.

BaLLiN
05-03-2010, 05:18 PM
its hard to say considering Romo wasn't given a decent starting receiver until week 5 (miles austin). Call me biased, but i pick Eli. It could be my hate for Romo, but i am not a Eli fan. I trade him away in madden to start off lol. People generalize him soo much, and down him alot just off of team success/comparisons to Peyton/past media. Its incredibly unfair because he is nothing like Peyton, nor in a similar situation, he overcame a few years of mediocrity, and our defense has not been incredible. Even in our superbowl year, there were alot of disappointing performances (secondary was a **** hole). Just watch the 50th TD pass from TB to Randy Moss, Sam Madison got injured and James Butler....sucks incredibly.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-03-2010, 05:29 PM
Eli doesnt do much of anything better than Romo. Romo's more accurate, one of the league's best athletes at the position and incredibly evasive in and out of the pocket. His decision making has improved tenfold, and while he remains true to his playmaking or gunslinger self, his ball protection was fantastic. Player to player...system or not, I def. see Romo having more talent all around as a player. As for losing players...the Giants have a fine stable of weapons, so I dont see your point. Smith was healthy the entire year and Nicks and Manningham, who are both better than Williams at this point, did a fine job. Romo was basically throwing to two new starters as well in Williams and Austin. Williams/Romo were still green together and Austin didnt start until the Chiefs game, a few weeks in. Romo did his fair share of carrying this team, all while getting hit more this season than ever before with our line, who was every bit as bad in pass protection.

Romo has gotten a horrible rap for not being a late season QB. But people always fail to mention that our giant O-Line has always broken down considerably late in the season. That playoff game against the Vikings, was pretty much the standard performance out of our o-line the last few years at the end of the year. But Romo certainly made due this year, stepping up his game and finishing off the season incredibly strong. Who knows if Romo will continue to keep the turnovers down...but as of right now, he's elevated his game to a point where I think it's no question, that he is the best QB in the division.


Eli runs the offense much better than Romo can. He is given full latitude to do whatever he wants, and pick his plays out a bunch in the huddle. Eli is the offense.

We lost players, our X and Z Wrs.. You guys always had a X WR, who you traded for. Not our fault he didn't ban out. But at least now you guys quite possibly have an X and Z for the future in Austin and Bryant. I think Williams is right up there as a good WR. Now if he hasn't panned out for whatever reason and underachieved that's his business.

Remember we were all a band of un proven WRs, which Eli made better. This was the sole reason which Accorsi fell in love with Eli. He got a man crush from watching him do the same at ole miss. He made everyone around him better. Who knows if Nicks or Manningham is better, but Eli runs that offense to put his players in the best position to win. Kilbride isn't going to get a HCing job again. Coach Garrett is basically auditioning to be a HC. So you can bet he has the system on his shoulders, and he is the guy calling the plays. Hell, I got to coach with the guy, and he is VERY smart. We ran the same plays you guys run there in Dallas. Amazing plays, and very well drawn up. You can bet he is telling Romo these plays so both can work to do well. Romo gets his stats, and the credit goes to Coach G. so other teams notice. Eli does a lot more in our system, which is no where near as creative, as you guys run there in Dallas.

I think this argument from a non bias perspective will be like the debates we have with Steelers and Chargers fans about the 3 QBs. In the end, all 3 fans love their QB, and wouldn't change that pick. That's not including the mess Big Ben is in now. This was before that drama all arose.

M.O.T.H.
05-03-2010, 05:40 PM
You realize Romo pretty much has free reign over the offense at the line now, right? He was certainly one of the best in the league at making adjustments at the line. He's no Peyton, but his ability to make proper hot routes/audibles were top notch. He rarely made mistakes here.

I know you keep saying you lost your x and y...but the replacements played excellent football. Roy Williams dropped perfectly thrown passes. And Romo never seems to get enough credit for making those around him better. Romo can fit the ball in any window, some of these throws he's completing to Witten or Austin are just astouding. Factor in his ability to buy time in the pocket and his creativity. He's just getting better and better. And so is Eli, I dont deny that. But I dont think he's on Romo's level. It's weird because, Romo and Favre are getting even more alike, but now neither "gunslinger" turns the ball over. ha.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-03-2010, 05:51 PM
You realize Romo pretty much has free reign over the offense at the line now, right? He was certainly one of the best in the league at making adjustments at the line. He's no Peyton, but his ability to make proper hot routes/audibles were top notch. He rarely made mistakes here.

I know you keep saying you lost your x and y...but the replacements played excellent football. Roy Williams dropped perfectly thrown passes. And Romo never seems to get enough credit for making those around him better. Romo can fit the ball in any window, some of these throws he's completing to Witten or Austin are just astouding. Factor in his ability to buy time in the pocket and his creativity. He's just getting better and better. And so is Eli, I dont deny that. But I dont think he's on Romo's level. It's weird because, Romo and Favre are getting even more alike, but now neither "gunslinger" turns the ball over.


Yeah all QBs to a certain point step to the line and make a pre snap read. That's a given. And with your respective system the routes are tagged, so it makes thing easier. You can change 1 number and change a specific route, or give a hand signal. That i assumed would be the case having seen the terminology of your system.

Yeah we lost X and Y, but now in hindsight one can say they stepped up. Before these guys were very green. Eli was the guy who had to get these guys better, and put them in position to make plays. Eli does what Romo and all the other QBs do, but he now is in the mold of his brother with total control. He gets a bunch of plays in the huddle and picks his play. Then, like everyone else, can audible out of it. He basically is in position to do what Peyton does. So the fact he had a career year, with no running game, and basically a lack of experienced WRs is amazing. It's not like we had a pro bowl TE helping out either.

Romo will never get credit because of the team he plays for and the weapons he has, and the attention surrounding his players and coaches even. That's pretty much the reality of the situation. You have now a potential stud WR, an emerged WR, an elite TE, very good running back corps, and an elite OC. He is going to get credit but to a certain point. That again, is the reality of the situation.

I love Eli's ability to bring us back when we are done, and ability to keep an even personality. One example is when we played you in the playoffs at your place. I remember seeing Romo have a hissy fit, and screaming at his players. Looked like he was coming unhinged. One intangible is that Eli stays the same. He can shake it off quicker, and go back to his even personality. I love that about him, because I, myself am like that. I am usually the coach who stays leveled, and calms the others when they get all mad and emotional. So I can relate to that kind of intangible.

LonghornsLegend
05-03-2010, 05:53 PM
Let's be truthful here.


I really don't think anyone is "wrong" for picking Eli or Romo, there is nothing homer about going with either guy. But I also don't think it's as clear cut and dry with who you should go with. I guarantee you not one Giants fan would trade Eli for Romo and vice versa. A great argument can be made for either, but I don't think there is any "it has to be...." to this, Eli impressed me alot last year but him and Romo continue to get better.



I'm going to go with Romo though. Regular season he's been a far better QB and broken records Dallas QB's never have. Eli has a SB ring and a great run to success through the playoffs that year. I, unlike other people refuse to put all those playoff failures on Romo's shoulders though, and for all we know he could very well win 1 ring before Eli get's #2 so I'm not going to put too much on that.



No reason to get all upset over this one, I'm just more interested in who Skins and Eagles fans vote for. Romo and Eli both catch some hate they really don't deserve, but I can see legit arguments for ranking one above the other both ways.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-03-2010, 06:00 PM
Let's be truthful here.


I really don't think anyone is "wrong" for picking Eli or Romo, there is nothing homer about going with either guy. But I also don't think it's as clear cut and dry with who you should go with. I guarantee you not one Giants fan would trade Eli for Romo and vice versa. A great argument can be made for either, but I don't think there is any "it has to be...." to this, Eli impressed me alot last year but him and Romo continue to get better.



I'm going to go with Romo though. Regular season he's been a far better QB and broken records Dallas QB's never have. Eli has a SB ring and a great run to success through the playoffs that year. I, unlike other people refuse to put all those playoff failures on Romo's shoulders though, and for all we know he could very well win 1 ring before Eli get's #2 so I'm not going to put too much on that.



No reason to get all upset over this one, I'm just more interested in who Skins and Eagles fans vote for. Romo and Eli both catch some hate they really don't deserve, but I can see legit arguments for ranking one above the other both ways.



Being a homer wasn't an issue with Moth and I. Moth and yourself are cool guys. I don't consider you guys homers by any stretch. If I felt you guys were, It would be pointless even debating. I am no homer, but in this case, seeing his growth as a QB in a complicated system, I can say, I prefer him for over Romo. Eli has grown in leaps and bounds since we drafted him. Hell, I had to defend him against not only division fans but a lot of our fan base too. So I think he is a special QB, and still will keep getting better.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-03-2010, 06:45 PM
I'm surprised at the lack of love for McNabb. People bring up the argument that Eli played hurt most of the year, behind a beat up o-line and with a sub par running game but McNabb faced all of the same problems and still put up numbers that rival Eli's.

McNabb:
14 games, 3553 yards, 22 TDs, 10 INTs, 60.3 comp. %

Eli:
16 games, 4021 yards, 27 TDs, 14 INTs, 62.3 comp. %

Not as clear cut as people think.

princefielder28
05-03-2010, 06:50 PM
For me it's Tony Romo followed closely by McNabb. Eli had a magical run through to the Super Bowl, but that was the exception not the rule with him and he's not on the same level as Tony or Donovan.

BaLLiN
05-03-2010, 07:54 PM
Comparing stats isn't really fair. Eli left games early (Chiefs & Raiders) but that really shouldn't make a difference anyway.

The real thing is that Eli took the reigns of the offense after it being primarily run to set up the pass. He not only did this, but he also did this with Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, and Hakeem Nicks, who had like what? 2 starts combined (Mario barely played and Nicks was a rookie). Kevin Boss was taken away quite often by the defense because they knew the WR position was a weakness.

FreshBoy!
05-03-2010, 08:07 PM
The problem with that is that all of us fans can find cases to where our QB has won or taken over games. Romo's done it numerous times, so while Stats are misleading, it's really the only thing to backup any claims....

And stats wise, it's not even close...

Romo: 16 Games 4,483 Yards 26 TD's, 9 INTS(3 in the NY game), 63.1% Comp.


It's really a no brainer as far as the NFC east is concerned. He's nearly a top 5 QB in the entire league.

Giantsfan1080
05-04-2010, 12:12 AM
What Longhorns said is how I feel. They are both excellent QB's and one team would not trade him for the either. You can't go wrong with either but since I'm a Giants fan I voted Eli.

eaglesalltheway
05-04-2010, 06:30 AM
Mike Kafka;).

For now, I still say McNabb. He still has all of his tools and has the intangibles that still puts him ahead of Romo and Eli for me. In a year or two, I thin McNabb may fall a bit, and Kolb could be in the conversation as well, if he does what I expect of him.

Rosebud
05-04-2010, 11:39 AM
For me it's Tony Romo followed closely by McNabb. Eli had a magical run through to the Super Bowl, but that was the exception not the rule with him and he's not on the same level as Tony or Donovan.

Aw Princy, why did you have to go and say something like that. Usually we don't disagree very badly, but Eli has been a great late game QB since he was a rookie. I love Eli for the sole reason that if we are down late I feel completely confident that he will bring us back, now the D might let us down again and waste Eli's late game drives, as has often been the case. This year he was finally given the free reign to run the offense from the beginning the way he has late in games and Eli played his best football last year, even better than during our SB run. Eli didn't just have a magical run, he had a good run where he played his best in the biggest game and has only gotten better from there.

As for Romo it's impossible to hate Tony, he's just a good person and in that system has put on some serious displays of awesomeness. Still I don't trust him the way I do Eli in the 4th quarter and that's why I voted Eli.

DrewHenson
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
Romo has year in year out have consistently been a better QB than Eli. There is a lot of people on this board who buy east coast media hype.

DrewHenson
06-04-2010, 03:52 PM
Aw Princy, why did you have to go and say something like that. Usually we don't disagree very badly, but Eli has been a great late game QB since he was a rookie. I love Eli for the sole reason that if we are down late I feel completely confident that he will bring us back, now the D might let us down again and waste Eli's late game drives, as has often been the case. This year he was finally given the free reign to run the offense from the beginning the way he has late in games and Eli played his best football last year, even better than during our SB run. Eli didn't just have a magical run, he had a good run where he played his best in the biggest game and has only gotten better from there.

As for Romo it's impossible to hate Tony, he's just a good person and in that system has put on some serious displays of awesomeness. Still I don't trust him the way I do Eli in the 4th quarter and that's why I voted Eli.

Eli has a 96 QB rating in the 4th quarter and Romo as a 103 QB rating in the 4th. Congrats, you have just bought hook line and sinker east coast media convential wisdom b.s. LOL!

Rosebud
06-04-2010, 03:55 PM
Romo has year in year out have consistently been a better QB than Eli. There is a lot of people on this board who buy east coast media hype.

By that same token Eli has year in and year out been a consistenyl better late game and clutch QB than Romo. It's all a question of if you want the better stats, or the better clutch and late game performance. Not whether you buy into east coast media hype or Cowboys media hype.

Rosebud
06-04-2010, 04:04 PM
Eli has a 96 QB rating in the 4th quarter and Romo as a 103 QB rating in the 4th. Congrats, you have just bought hook line and sinker east coast media convential wisdom b.s. LOL!

QB rating. lulz. FYI That opinion's not the result of any media hype, that's the result of just watching Eli game in game out carry a crippled team with an OL and running game completely battered by injuries throwing to two first time contributors, a good slot receiver and the Bossman. Of course Romo had better stats in a more pass happy scheme with Witten and Miles Austin blowing up.

DrewHenson
06-04-2010, 04:20 PM
QB rating. lulz. FYI That opinion's not the result of any media hype, that's the result of just watching Eli game in game out carry a crippled team with an OL and running game completely battered by injuries throwing to two first time contributors, a good slot receiver and the Bossman. Of course Romo had better stats in a more pass happy scheme with Witten and Miles Austin blowing up.

Miles Austin didn't break out till last year...

And what about Steve Smith, Plaxico, Shockey, Toomer, Nicks etc. Eli hasn't exactly been working with crap, and his run game most years has carried his tuchas. Last year was an exception not the rule.

Rosebud
06-04-2010, 04:30 PM
Miles Austin didn't break out till last year...

And what about Steve Smith, Plaxico, Shockey, Toomer, Nicks etc. Eli hasn't exactly been working with crap, and his run game most years has carried his tuchas. Last year was an exception not the rule.

Weren't you just using the 4th quarter numbers from last year? I assumed you were talking about last year, if that's not the case my bad. But that's why I compared the Austen and Witten core to our Steve Smith and super Mario core. Although it doesn't really matter because Romo has always had better weapons and a more pass happy offense to work with.

Of course our running game has been a big part of our offense, that said Eli hasn't always been as awesome as he was last year, seriously two injured feet a broken OL and running game young inconsistent weapons and defense that quit and yet he still lead us to 8 wins. Eli's been steadily improving and last year he became consistently elite.

Don't mistake me talking up Eli as me attacking Tony, I think Romo's a very talented quarterback who's a great person and any fan base would be happy to have him representing them, I'm just happier with Eli because I trust Eli more than I do Romo when the games on the line and hopefully he takes over even more of the play calling this year and can stay healthy to continue to build on his great play.

Also your "buying into the media hype" comment was really weird because Eli's never been a media darling and although espn and co have stopped slobbering all over Tony's knob he still gets more media love than Eli.

Trogdor
06-04-2010, 09:36 PM
I'm actually surprised by the poll...then again, Romo rarely gets credit. I'd figure cutting the turnovers out of his game, would be enough to make him a clear favorite. Romo still bests Eli in nearly every category, with terribly inconsistent pass blocking and a useless #2 WR. Eli's good, but he's not on Romo's level, imo. Romo is borderline top 5, and can certainly be in that top 5. Eli's more of a top 10 guy.

He'll never get credit. He's too relaxed and calm. I'd still take his supposed 'lack of leadership' over Eli in the huddle without a doubt. Honestly not sure how this poll is even this close. Eli's career year last year didn't measure up to Romo's and that's not counting the fact the Giants have a reliable passing blocking line and the Cowboys are inconsistent in that regard. In terms of the best QB in the NFC East not sure how you cast a vote for anyone other than Romo.

The main (football - I say football because his relaxed attitude rubs people the wrong way) flaw that followed Tony was his complete disregard for keeping a hold of the ball (both INTs and fumbles) and despite running for his life at times did an incredible job in reversing that and being better QBs last season in that regard. Tony eliminated his main flaw, had a career year, and proved he can win in the playoffs. Provided he doesn't regress next season there isn't any reason why he isn't a top 5 QB even with his offensive line and that's saying something.

Rosebud
06-05-2010, 08:44 PM
He'll never get credit. He's too relaxed and calm. I'd still take his supposed 'lack of leadership' over Eli in the huddle without a doubt. Honestly not sure how this poll is even this close. Eli's career year last year didn't measure up to Romo's and that's not counting the fact the Giants have a reliable passing blocking line and the Cowboys are inconsistent in that regard. In terms of the best QB in the NFC East not sure how you cast a vote for anyone other than Romo.

The main (football - I say football because his relaxed attitude rubs people the wrong way) flaw that followed Tony was his complete disregard for keeping a hold of the ball (both INTs and fumbles) and despite running for his life at times did an incredible job in reversing that and being better QBs last season in that regard. Tony eliminated his main flaw, had a career year, and proved he can win in the playoffs. Provided he doesn't regress next season there isn't any reason why he isn't a top 5 QB even with his offensive line and that's saying something.

The cowboys OL was a lot better than ours was last year. Then you add that Romo had superior and more consistent weapons and a better defense. Also got to consider the fact that Eli had his career year playing with injuries to both feet that could've easily ended his season had he not been a tough son of a *****. There was a stretch of games where Eli wasn't even able to step into throws and still he was carrying our team and putting up good stats in an offense that wasn't exactly as pass happy as Dallas'.

Tony's a very talented QB and wonderful person, I can't blame Dallas fans for liking their guy, but Eli's performance last year was herculean and he's been the very definition of clutch since he took over the starting spot and frankly there's no QB I'd rather have leading us for a game winning or game tying score than Eli, if Tom Brady gets his accuracy back with another year between him and his knee injury that changes, but short of Brady there's no QB I want with the ball in his hand with the game on the line than Eli, not even big brother Peyton or Drew Breesus.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
06-09-2010, 03:48 AM
I am scared to throw two cents in on this one. Both are good. Eli has a championship, though...

Trogdor
06-10-2010, 08:29 AM
I am scared to throw two cents in on this one. Both are good. Eli has a championship, though...

So does Trent Dilfer. You want him as your starting QB too? Championships are a team effort =)

Macarthur
06-10-2010, 09:21 AM
Also your "buying into the media hype" comment was really weird because Eli's never been a media darling and although espn and co have stopped slobbering all over Tony's knob he still gets more media love than Eli.

See, this is where perception is so interesting.

Living in Texas, I see things directly opposite. Not just this subject, but many others. Those of us not on the east or west coast have always felt there is a media bias.

I feel that Romo has not been given near the credit from the media that he deserves. Don't mistake COVERAGE for 'slobbering Tony's knob'. They have to cover Dallas because they have the largest fan base. Just because they get that coverage, doesn't mean it's positive. My feeling is that there is a sizeable bias against Dallas on the NFL network and ESPN.

Again, don't mistake the amount of coverage for a positive bias.

tjsunstein
06-10-2010, 09:30 AM
Went with Eli.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-10-2010, 09:39 AM
See, this is where perception is so interesting.

Living in Texas, I see things directly opposite. Not just this subject, but many others. Those of us not on the east or west coast have always felt there is a media bias.

I feel that Romo has not been given near the credit from the media that he deserves. Don't mistake COVERAGE for 'slobbering Tony's knob'. They have to cover Dallas because they have the largest fan base. Just because they get that coverage, doesn't mean it's positive. My feeling is that there is a sizeable bias against Dallas on the NFL network and ESPN.

Again, don't mistake the amount of coverage for a positive bias.





He will never really get credit. He will get hyped, which is two different things, because of the team he plays for. He also has sick personnel around him, in a system, where passing is a big part of your success. So he will always be hyped because of those factors. At least he is a good guy, with a sense of humor, which is a good thing. I think dating high profile women, also, added to the hype and popularity of Romo. He became popular for the girls he dated before his game success, so that will rub people the wrong way. It's like he went hollywood before really establishing himself. But Romo, and the cowboys will always be hyped up. That's part of playing with Dallas. Next QB will face the same thing, and so will the next one. And if they happen to date someone famous, expect the same results.

Macarthur
06-10-2010, 10:39 AM
He will never really get credit. He will get hyped, which is two different things, because of the team he plays for.

But Troy and Roger got their due credit.

He also has sick personnel around him, in a system, where passing is a big part of your success. So he will always be hyped because of those factors.

Kurt Warner has also had good personel around him.

Hate this argument.

Everyone QB that has had great success has had great personnel around him.

At least he is a good guy, with a sense of humor, which is a good thing. I think dating high profile women, also, added to the hype and popularity of Romo. He became popular for the girls he dated before his game success, so that will rub people the wrong way. It's like he went hollywood before really establishing himself.

There's some truth to this, and most of us Cowboy fans were not comfortable with him being too hollywood, too quickly.

I think he's matured beyond that.

But Romo, and the cowboys will always be hyped up. That's part of playing with Dallas. Next QB will face the same thing, and so will the next one. And if they happen to date someone famous, expect the same results.

I don't disagree with your point, but that still doesn't really address the issue of bias. My word was coverage, yours is hype. That fine, but there can still be bias one way or another. Yes, Dallas will always have hype (coverage) because they have the largest fan base. But again, when you watch ESPN's primetime, there's not a single guy on that set, with the POSSIBLE exception of Ditka, that gives the Cowboys a fair shake. And Ditka is iffy because he really identifies himself more with the Bears than the Cowboys.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-10-2010, 12:05 PM
Don't quote snipe man. Most annoying way to post. You're not the first person to do it, so not picking on you. I am a mod for 2 forums and i see it too. It makes responding a pain. The way I do it is read the post, and answer the questions in regular paragraph form.

Did Rodger and Troy win a superbowl? If so, how many? More than one? Are they HOFers? I think all these questions answered is the reason why they get their props and Romo hasn't yet.

Warner had great personnel, but again, he proved his worth on different teams. If you guys ever get rid of Romo, and he does it over and over then he will get his hype. Plus he did it for the Rams which historically isn't as successful as both of our franchises. He did it in different systems too, but mainly got his fame in the Martzian Air C. system.

I do think you hit the nail on the head with maturity. I forgot but he went hollywood and then went to Cabo during playoff time. So playing for a high profile media driven team such as Dallas, and then dating a famous person, is one of the reasons why he is in the spotlight. So when your franchise hasn't won a playoff game in lots of years, and this guy is vacationing with Simpson, that's going to rub people the wrong way. I think he has gotten better with it. But now he has to win and take the next step. Last year was a good season to win the first game and get the chip off your shoulders.

Rosebud
06-10-2010, 01:07 PM
See, this is where perception is so interesting.

Living in Texas, I see things directly opposite. Not just this subject, but many others. Those of us not on the east or west coast have always felt there is a media bias.

I feel that Romo has not been given near the credit from the media that he deserves. Don't mistake COVERAGE for 'slobbering Tony's knob'. They have to cover Dallas because they have the largest fan base. Just because they get that coverage, doesn't mean it's positive. My feeling is that there is a sizeable bias against Dallas on the NFL network and ESPN.

Again, don't mistake the amount of coverage for a positive bias.

I must disclose that I haven't watched ESPN for anything other than games in 2 years now, so things may have changed but last time I watched NFL primetime or any of their shows Tony wasn't just getting attention he was getting quite a bit of love, which makes sense, he's a high profile athlete with a nice story who happens to be a very nice person. While Eli was still getting the fluke superbowl run treatment. That very well may have changed, but my impression living in Chicago was that Tony Romo not only got more coverage, attention, hype or whatever you want to call it, but also more love in that coverage.

Macarthur
06-10-2010, 02:08 PM
Don't quote snipe man. Most annoying way to post. You're not the first person to do it, so not picking on you. I am a mod for 2 forums and i see it too. It makes responding a pain. The way I do it is read the post, and answer the questions in regular paragraph form.

Weird. I find snipping the easist way to respond to multiple points and it's easier for others to follow the conversation.

Did Rodger and Troy win a superbowl? If so, how many? More than one? Are they HOFers? I think all these questions answered is the reason why they get their props and Romo hasn't yet.

Sure, but Romo is only starting his 4th full season. It just seems from my memory that they got more respect sooner.


Warner had great personnel, but again, he proved his worth on different teams. If you guys ever get rid of Romo, and he does it over and over then he will get his hype. Plus he did it for the Rams which historically isn't as successful as both of our franchises. He did it in different systems too, but mainly got his fame in the Martzian Air C. system.

I'm not just making the point about Warner; I think you are not addressing my main point.

Pick any QB that has had big success and he has had great personnel around him. Was Montana great because of Rice or vice versa? I think Montana was great, that's not my point. My point is, it's a silly argument to make that a QB has had success because he's been surrounded by great talent. IT's just completely illogical.

Macarthur
06-10-2010, 02:11 PM
I must disclose that I haven't watched ESPN for anything other than games in 2 years now, so things may have changed but last time I watched NFL primetime or any of their shows Tony wasn't just getting attention he was getting quite a bit of love, which makes sense, he's a high profile athlete with a nice story who happens to be a very nice person. While Eli was still getting the fluke superbowl run treatment. That very well may have changed, but my impression living in Chicago was that Tony Romo not only got more coverage, attention, hype or whatever you want to call it, but also more love in that coverage.

I would agree that Tony got quite a bit of love initially because his story was so great in the beginning.

However, it seemed like once they became a good team, everyone immediately heaped all the failures of the franchise on his shoulders. When in reality, he was still going through the learning curve of being a new QB in the league and their playoff/late season failures had little to do with Romo's play.

FUNBUNCHER
06-28-2010, 08:59 AM
So does Trent Dilfer. You want him as your starting QB too? Championships are a team effort =)

Dilfer is really the exception for SB winning QBs; most teams win championships because of the outstanding play of their QB, not in spite of.

When Romo finally makes some noise in the playoffs, he'll get his due. Statistically, he'll end up being the best QB to ever wear a Dallas uni. But he'll never be mentioned in the same conversation as Aikman and Staubach until he at least gets to the Dance.

I think folks will be reminded again how good D Mac is this season, if the bottom falls out of the Eagles, and if the Skins are in playoff contention in December.

Go_Eagles77
11-08-2010, 09:28 AM
The best QB in the NFC East right now isn't on this poll.

Jughead10
11-08-2010, 09:43 AM
The best QB in the NFC East right now isn't on this poll.

Can't be the best QB when you're not on the field. Vick claimed he was going to get out of bounds and slide more but I saw none of that. Just a matter of time before he gets hurt again.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-08-2010, 01:00 PM
Can't be the best QB when you're not on the field. Vick claimed he was going to get out of bounds and slide more but I saw none of that. Just a matter of time before he gets hurt again.

As early as this week, lol.

bsaza2358
11-09-2010, 04:29 PM
The Redskins and Giants have been hurting people this year. I hope Kolb and Reid are ready with a backup gameplan, just in case...

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2010, 04:34 PM
The Redskins and Giants have been hurting people this year. I hope Kolb and Reid are ready with a backup gameplan, just in case...

Well it happened the first time we played so nothing should come as a surprise.

Go_Eagles77
12-30-2011, 06:38 PM
Chad Hall > Ramses Barden. Come at me bro.

Trogdor
12-30-2011, 11:43 PM
Tempted to post in the Michael Vick vs Tony Romo as Best NFC East WR thread but decided to post it here.

"Romo, Manning, and eight Hall of Famers..."

In a 32-team league, a player who ranks among the top 8 at his position is in the top 25% of the league. The following stats are adjusted for era, meaning that a player in a 16-team league must have ranked in the top 4, for example.

Romo will finish this season ranked among the league's top 8 in passer rating. (Currently, he's 4th) In his career, he's had enough attempts to qualify for a ranking in the league's passing categories five times (2006-09, 2011). All five times he's finished 8th or higher in the category of passer rating.

This degree of consistency is so rare that Romo becomes only the 10th player in the history of the NFL to rank among the top 8 passers (or top 25% for any era) in at least five consecutive qualifying seasons. Manning and Young did it eight straight times. Three other players did it six straight times.

Peyton Manning (8) 2002-2009
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Sammy Baugh (6) 1940-45
Joe Montana (6) 1980-85
Dan Fouts (6) 1978-83
Fran Tarkenton (5) 1972-76
Roger Staubach (5) 1975-79
Dan Marino (5) 1983-87
Troy Aikman (5) 1991-95
Tony Romo (5) 2006-09, 2011

8 Hall of Famers, Manning, and Romo. On that list, only Romo's streak is still going.

It's not easy to string together five top-8 seasons in a row. Unitas, Elway, and Favre never had five in a row. Brady and Brees have never had more than two in a row.

Also, unlike those other QB's, Romo's never ranked below the top 8 for a season, not even once. How rare is it to rank among the top 25% passers in ALL of your first 5 qualifying seasons? Here's the complete list of the players who've done it in all of their first FOUR qualifying seasons:

Joe Montana 6
Dan Marino 5
Tony Romo 5*
Johnny Unitas 4
Otto Graham 4
Norm Van Brocklin 4
Aaron Rodgers 4*
*streak still active

That's five Hall of Famers, Rodgers, and Romo. And Romo is one broken clavicle away from being at the top of that list already.

Romo has completed five seasons as a starter, and finished in the league's top 25% in passer rating every time. Next year would make six. If that's so easy to do, how come the only QB who's ever done it is named Joe Montana?

All credit to BtB poster percyhoward.

CDCB14
12-31-2011, 01:07 AM
^^^^ Thank you.

Game, set, match.

SickwithIt1010
12-31-2011, 01:19 PM
^^^^ Thank you.

Game, set, match.

Congrats hes a good regular season QB, no one gives a ****.

Game, set, match.

CDCB14
12-31-2011, 03:33 PM
Congrats hes a good regular season QB, no one gives a ****.

Game, set, match.

I don't understand how you just completely ignore Vick's inability to win in the regular season AND the playoffs?

He's no better than Romo in the playoffs either. In fact, he has one loss than Romo too.

Do you not comprehend that?

SickwithIt1010
12-31-2011, 03:38 PM
I don't understand how you just completely ignore Vick's inability to win in the regular season AND the playoffs?

He's no better than Romo in the playoffs either. In fact, he has one loss than Romo too.

Do you not comprehend that?

Do you not ******* comprehend that I have not mentioned one word about Vick, you're so insecure about it that anytime someone says something bad about him that you have to call out Vick. You're a piece of ****** work.

pull your head out of your ass, and actually READ and COMPREHEND my post.

Rosebud
01-01-2012, 12:45 PM
Chad Hall > Ramses Barden. Come at me bro.

Maybe at football, but certainly not at riding the bike.