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Hines
05-18-2010, 10:42 AM
Who is the best RB in the division?

Hines
05-18-2010, 10:44 AM
For me, it's a tough decision. Ray Rice would be the obvious pick for people because he had one of the best seasons in recent memory for a RB. Mendenhall put up very good numbers on a pass first team and he only started 11 or so games. Not to mention he didn't get a lot of carries. Benson had a nice season, but I'm not sure he's the best RB in the division. I love Jerome Harrison, but no.

I'll make my pick later.

K Train
05-18-2010, 10:45 AM
they are all SO different. rice and benson could make a case after last season....rice caught a ton of passes, benson was a beast, but both (even mendenhall) could be one year wonders

i think mendenhall takes this title this year though, hes poised to take over the world, or at least the afc north

thenewfeature06
05-18-2010, 10:52 AM
Pretty tough poll question... first of all I would take out Harrison, he played pretty well towards the end of the year but haven't seen enough to say he is the best.

Rice is so good, not as good as MJD but still effective, last year his stats got blown up because that is what the Ravens are about.. his production will go down this year but doesn't take away my love for Rice. Mendy has probably the best potential, big and quick hopefully he can stay healthy. Benson can be good and then can stink it up but as of now, seeing that Cincys line last year wasn't that good I give the edge to Benson. With Rice and Mendy not too far behind.

fear the elf
05-18-2010, 11:30 AM
To me it's Ray Rice.

Mendenhall hasn't shown me enough yet, but he came on pretty strong last year.

Harrison hasn't shown enough either, but was arguably one of the top backs in the league the last four games last year (also the freshest, might have had something to do with it).

Benson to me is just a workhorse, but not a special one. He just grinds it out for 3 yards a carry on 25 carries a game.

1. Rice
2. Mendenhall
3. Harrison
4. Benson

PalmerToCJ
05-18-2010, 12:06 PM
Benson to me is just a workhorse, but not a special one. He just grinds it out for 3 yards a carry on 25 carries a game.

Benson rushed for 4.2 YPC last year, not sure how he managed that only getting 3 per carry. In the middle of last year he led the league in carries over 10 yards so it's not like he just gets you on quantity.

1. Ray Rice - Versatility is huge and can also hit you for big plays.
2. Cedric Benson - Absolute workhorse, extremely consistent.
3. Rashard Mendenhall - Was a monster in the middle of last year but fell off pretty hard.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-18-2010, 12:07 PM
Rice all day and Mendenhall should not be ahead of Benson because he really hasn't proven ****. Who knows maybe Ray Lewis will take him out again.

K Train
05-18-2010, 12:18 PM
i voted mendenhall cause hes gonna take **** over and i didnt want him to be shut out by benson.

rice carried the load at rutgers, now hes being worked extremely hard in baltimore...hes got alot of miles on him early so i wonder how long he can keep it up

DeathbyStat
05-18-2010, 12:36 PM
1.Ray Rice.....










............Everyone else

Hines
05-18-2010, 12:45 PM
Benson rushed for 4.2 YPC last year, not sure how he managed that only getting 3 per carry. In the middle of last year he led the league in carries over 10 yards so it's not like he just gets you on quantity.

1. Ray Rice - Versatility is huge and can also hit you for big plays.
2. Cedric Benson - Absolute workhorse, extremely consistent.
3. Rashard Mendenhall - Was a monster in the middle of last year but fell off pretty hard.

It's not Mendenhall's fault that the OC decided not to run. I expect Mendenhall to be in the top 6 in rushing this season. Hell, top 5 would be awesome as well. That said, I'll give it to Rice.

coordinator0
05-18-2010, 12:47 PM
Not to mention he didn't get a lot of carries.


rice carried the load at rutgers, now hes being worked extremely hard in baltimore...hes got alot of miles on him early so i wonder how long he can keep it up

Mendenhall had 12 fewer carries than Rice last season. I really don't think Mendenhall is being underused compared to Rice nor is Rice being worked "extremely hard." Part of that is because we have other talented RBs on the roster, but Rice is a beast nonetheless. Ray Rice and it's not close for me.

BigDawg819
05-18-2010, 12:51 PM
I went other because frankly I'm not sure what to expect from any of them for this season.


Cedric Benson - One good season in his career, thats supposed to make me believe he can do it again when there's more evidence of him being a marginal back?

Rashard Mendenhall - The Steelers liked him over "Fast" Willie and then went and drafted Dwyer as a "value" guy late in the draft. They transitioned to a pass first team and now with Ben's suspension they will have to rely on the run, but what about when Ben comes back?

Jerome Harrison - Congrats you took over for an over the hill Jamal Lewis and whoever else no names are in the Cleveland backfield. But now there's competition in Harvesty and Harrison is squabbling about a new contract. Come the regular season he might not even be the starter....

Ray Rice - Dynamic back both running and receiving who was the staple of the offense last year. That being said, with the upgrades in receivers and tight ends, does that limit his role in the passing game so he can focus on the run? Does Willis and LeRon get more carries? Young guy, but small so durability does come to mind.

Hines
05-18-2010, 12:51 PM
Mendenhall had 12 fewer carries than Rice last season. I really don't think Mendenhall is being underused compared to Rice nor is Rice being worked "extremely hard." Part of that is because we have other talented RBs on the roster, but Rice is a beast nonetheless. Ray Rice and it's not close for me.

What makes Rice so dangerous is his ability to catch the football out of the backfield and use his short stature to slip through tackles and take it the distance. That catch and run against Cincy? was the best play I have seen in a while at the RB position.

Also, Rice won me a lot of Fantasy Football games last year. :D

coordinator0
05-18-2010, 12:54 PM
I was fortunate enough to have Rice in a PPR league last season... my my it was beautiful :D. I don't expect him to put up those same type of receiving numbers again though.

K Train
05-18-2010, 12:56 PM
Mendenhall had 12 fewer carries than Rice last season. I really don't think Mendenhall is being underused compared to Rice nor is Rice being worked "extremely hard." Part of that is because we have other talented RBs on the roster, but Rice is a beast nonetheless. Ray Rice and it's not close for me.

he got a ton of receptions though, his touches were insane for a RB and all the miles he has on him already and being a little guy its bound to catch up with him for such a heavy workload

Mr. Goosemahn
05-18-2010, 12:58 PM
I'd have to give it to Rice as well, the guy just makes plays. And with that young, beastly, and improving offensive line, the guy's gonna keep improving.

I hope Mendenhall plays well in the first four games this season. He did great last year, hopefully adding Pouncey and giving him more carries makes him better too.

PalmerToCJ
05-18-2010, 01:03 PM
It's not Mendenhall's fault that the OC decided not to run. I expect Mendenhall to be in the top 6 in rushing this season. Hell, top 5 would be awesome as well. That said, I'll give it to Rice.

When a guy is at 3.5 or less a carry, it's hard to stick with him.

He went for 36 yards on 17 rushes vs. Baltimore in the 2nd to last game... I don't see that as abandoning the run, that's just not producing.

coordinator0
05-18-2010, 01:11 PM
he got a ton of receptions though, his touches were insane for a RB and all the miles he has on him already and being a little guy its bound to catch up with him for such a heavy workload

Yes, but you don't take the beating you do when you carry the ball compared to catching the ball. I really don't think that plays a big part in his "wearing down."

fear the elf
05-18-2010, 01:25 PM
Benson rushed for 4.2 YPC last year, not sure how he managed that only getting 3 per carry. In the middle of last year he led the league in carries over 10 yards so it's not like he just gets you on quantity.

You're taking my post a little too literally. It's just how I see him. Not spectacular, just a grind-it-out guy with a history as an underachiever. Show it to me again this year, and maybe I change my mind.

The bold is interesting, if it's true. Can you provide a link or something? Maybe to the end of the season results for this statistic? Cause I can't find it.

Jerome Harrison - Congrats you took over for an over the hill Jamal Lewis and whoever else no names are in the Cleveland backfield. But now there's competition in Harvesty and Harrison is squabbling about a new contract. Come the regular season he might not even be the starter....

I don't think who he took over for matters really. When he got his chance, he shined. Not saying he's the best (I had him third). Like you mentioned, he might not even be the best on the Browns anymore. But he still played lights out when he was given the load.

Also, Rice won me a lot of Fantasy Football games last year. :D

Haha me too! I made sure I got him in both my leagues. :D

PalmerToCJ
05-18-2010, 01:35 PM
You're taking my post a little too literally. It's just how I see him. Not spectacular, just a grind-it-out guy with a history as an underachiever. Show it to me again this year, and maybe I change my mind.

The bold is interesting, if it's true. Can you provide a link or something? Maybe to the end of the season results for this statistic? Cause I can't find it.

I know you didn't literally mean that, it's just that people assume all Benson does is hits rushes for 3-6 yards but he broke a lot for 10-25 yard gains.

I actually tried to find a link for that as well but can't find anything. It was around week 8 or 9, it honestly surprised me as well. I knew he went off for plenty of them but I figured AD or someone would be above him.

In 8 of his 13 games, his longest rush was 20 yards or longer.

scottyboy
05-18-2010, 01:44 PM
I just love how Rice, who has never had any real injury problems, is now being talked about 'he's gonna break down eventually".
First he's too small, then he's too slow, then he's not a good enough pass blocker in pass protection. guess this is just another one to check off the list after a few more years of dominance. It's gotta be Rice, and any other choice is just stupid.

(oh, and I clicked this thinking it was the NFC east one btw, it was the main one under team boards from the home page)

fear the elf
05-18-2010, 01:51 PM
I know you didn't literally mean that, it's just that people assume all Benson does is hits rushes for 3-6 yards but he broke a lot for 10-25 yard gains.

I actually tried to find a link for that as well but can't find anything. It was around week 8 or 9, it honestly surprised me as well. I knew he went off for plenty of them but I figured AD or someone would be above him.

In 8 of his 13 games, his longest rush was 20 yards or longer.

I won't lie, I'm surprised by that. Well, assuming he keeps it up next year, he might jump everybody and be at the top of my list (like anyone cares :) )

gpngc
05-18-2010, 01:54 PM
Rice is one of the best backs in the league - easily the best in this division.

Mendenhall was not very good last year at all. He doesn't break many tackles, offers little in the passing game, and isn't a big-play threat. I'd take Benson over him. Mend took over and got most of the carries because Parker lost the only thing that made him a decent NFL back - his elite speed.

LonghornsLegend
05-18-2010, 01:55 PM
(oh, and I clicked this thinking it was the NFC east one btw, it was the main one under team boards from the home page)

I did the same...


I still don't think the poll is all that tough, it's Ray Rice and not even close to me...He's a better natural runner then Mendy and Benson though it's a tad closer in those regards but Rice is FAR more versatile and effective overall.

DeathbyStat
05-18-2010, 03:06 PM
I would take Rice but if medenhall was running behind the ravens oline he would be really good as well

BmoreBlackByrdz
05-18-2010, 03:15 PM
Ray Rice by far.

but if I'm starting a franchise today, and it's between Benson and Mendenhall, I'd take Mendenhall, easily.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Ray Rice by far.

but if I'm starting a franchise today, and it's between Benson and Mendenhall, I'd take Mendenhall, easily.

I don't understand this at all. If I'm starting a franchise I'm taking a young Ray Rice over any of them. Benson is getting up there in age and has had one good season and Mendenhall hasn't proven anything. Ray Rice has done everything to make be believe he is the better RB in the division by far.

niel89
05-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Hands down Ray Rice for me.

BmoreBlackByrdz
05-18-2010, 05:17 PM
I don't understand this at all. If I'm starting a franchise I'm taking a young Ray Rice over any of them. Benson is getting up there in age and has had one good season and Mendenhall hasn't proven anything. Ray Rice has done everything to make be believe he is the better RB in the division by far.

nah, I mean if it was only Benson or Mendenhall. Of course I'd take Rice over those two in a heartbeat.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-18-2010, 05:19 PM
nah, I mean if it was only Benson or Mendenhall. Of course I'd take Rice over those two in a heartbeat.

Sorry about that I completely read it wrong.

Hines
05-18-2010, 05:54 PM
I get why you guys say that Mendenhall didn't show anything yet, but in 14 games starting, he had 1469 total yards on a passing team. I truely believe that if they had a more well balanced attack, he would have put up numbers similar to Ray Rice. I still took Rice, but Mendenhall is still not some unknown and has proved to be a very solid back in the NFL.

wonderbredd24
05-18-2010, 07:50 PM
Ray Rice is the best because he's not only talented but is in a very good system and situation for his talents.

I think the better question is which team in the AFC North will have the better stable of running backs this coming year?

Baltimore: Ray Rice, Le'Ron McClain, and Willis McGahee
Cincinnati: Cedric Benson, Brian Leonard, Bernard Scott, and probably Jeremi Johnson
Cleveland: Jerome Harrison, Montario Hardesty, Peyton Hillis, and Lawrence Vickers
Pittsburgh: Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Dwyer, and Frank Summers

Everyone looks good

Hines
05-18-2010, 08:08 PM
You should put Mewelde Moore instead of Frank Summers.

K Train
05-19-2010, 07:06 AM
Ray Rice is the best because he's not only talented but is in a very good system and situation for his talents.

I think the better question is which team in the AFC North will have the better stable of running backs this coming year?

Baltimore: Ray Rice, Le'Ron McClain, and Willis McGahee
Cincinnati: Cedric Benson, Brian Leonard, Bernard Scott, and probably Jeremi Johnson
Cleveland: Jerome Harrison, Montario Hardesty, Peyton Hillis, and Lawrence Vickers
Pittsburgh: Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Dwyer, and Frank Summers

Everyone looks good
lmao at frank summers...he will not be on the team

Hines
05-19-2010, 11:21 AM
I'll put up WR in a bit. I'm going to do WR differently. I have 3 WRs. We will vote for the three best WRs individually. After a couple days, the first WR will be chosen, then put up a new poll and we will vote on the second, and then third.

PalmerToCJ
05-19-2010, 12:10 PM
I will say, the division seems to be taking a weird turn offensively.

The Bengals are now easily the most run 1st team.

Steelers and Ravens tended towards the pass a lot last year, I was especially surprised with how the Ravens offense changed. I suppose a lot of it was to get Rice involved more which is obviously understandable. It seemed to really start to work about midway through the season after the swap from using several bruising RB's. A lot can be attributed to Flacco growing I would assume.

Curious to see how the Steelers work without Big Ben.

EDIT: Hines, after the WR's thread you gonna get an offensive/defensive unit rankings thread going?

Hines
05-19-2010, 12:12 PM
I expect around 30 carries between Mendenhall, Moore, and Dwyer, and about 25 passes. JMO.