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princefielder28
05-23-2010, 08:44 PM
QB

1. Andrew Luck :: Stanford*
2. Nathan Enderle :: Idaho
3. Ryan Mallet :: Arkansas*
4. Jake Locker :: Washington
5. Ben Chappell :: Indiana
6. Christian Ponder :: Florida State
7. Nick Foles :: Arizona*
8. Ricky Stanzi :: Iowa
9. Greg McElroy :: Alabama
10. Pat Devlin :: Delaware
11. Jerrod Johnson :: Texas A&M
12. Colin Kaepernick :: Nevada
13. Case Keenum :: Houston
14. Scott Tolzien :: Wisconsin
15. Andy Dalton :: TCU

RB

1. Mark Ingram :: Alabama*
2. Shane Vereen :: California*
3. DeMarco Murray :: Oklahoma
4. Ryan Williams :: Virginia Tech*
5. John Clay :: Wisconsin*
6. Noel Devine :: West Virginia
7. Daniel Thomas :: Kansas State
8. Mikel Leshoure :: Illinois
9. Derrick Locke :: Kentucky
10. Brandon Saine :: Ohio State
11. Da’Rel Scott :: Maryland
12. Kendall Hunter :: Oklahoma State
13. Quizz Rodgers :: Oregon State*
14. Armando Allen :: Notre Dame
15. Allen Bradford :: USC

WR

1. AJ Green :: Georgia*
2. Michael Floyd :: Notre Dame*
3. Ryan Browles :: Oklahoma*
4. Julio Jones :: Alabama*
5. Jonathan Baldwin :: Pittsburgh*
6. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos :: Iowa
7. Vincent Brown :: San Diego State
8. Austin Pettis :: Boise State
9. Ronald Johnson :: USC
10. DeVier Posey :: Ohio State*
11. Leonard Hankerson :: Miami(FL)
12. Jerrel Jernigan :: Troy
13. Greg Little :: North Carolina
14. Niles Paul :: Nebraska
15. Dwayne Harris :: East Carolina

TE

1. Lance Kendricks :: Wisconsin
2. Kyle Rudolph :: Notre Dame*
3. DJ Williams :: Arkansas
4. Charlie Gantt :: Michigan State
5. Zach Pianalto :: North Carolina
6. Luke Stocker :: Tennessee
7. Jeffrey Anderson :: UAB
8. Cameron Graham :: Louisville
9. Virgil Green :: Nevada
10. Konrad Reuland :: Stanford

OT

1. Derek Sherrod :: Mississippi State
2. Anthony Costanzo :: Boston College
3. Gabe Carimi :: Wisconsin
4. Darius Morris :: Temple
5. DeMarcus Love :: Arkansas
6. Matt Reynolds :: BYU*
7. Derek Newton :: Arkansas State
8. Lee Ziemba :: Auburn
9. Marcus Gilbert :: Florida
10. Jah Reid :: UCF
11. James Brewer :: Indiana
12. James Carpenter :: Alabama
13. Joseph Barksdale :: Louisiana State
14. Nate Solder :: Colorado
15. Danny Watkins :: Baylor

Interior OL

1. Kris O’Dowd :: USC
2. John Moffitt :: Wisconsin
3. Orlando Franklin :: Miami(FL)
4. Marcus Cannon :: TCU
5. Stefen Wisniewski :: Penn State
6. Jason Pinkston :: Pittsburgh
7. Zach Hurd :: UCONN
8. Benjamin Ijalana :: Villanova
9. Thomas Claiborne :: Boston College
10. Nate Potter :: Boise State*
11. Mike Pouncey :: Florida
12. Justin Boren :: Ohio State
13. Zane Taylor :: Utah
14. Rodney Hudson :: Florida State
15. Andrew Jackson :: Fresno State

wonderbredd24
05-23-2010, 08:46 PM
I hope the NFL has the QBs ranked like that.

Wait... you really have Stanzi ahead of Ponder? Seriously?

Don Vito
05-23-2010, 08:54 PM
No Kentrell Locket at DE?

princefielder28
05-23-2010, 08:56 PM
No Kentrell Locket at DE?

He didn't crack the top 17 at the position for me but he's not far outside of that

Sniper
05-23-2010, 09:06 PM
I think you severely underestimate Ohio State LB Brian Rolle.

Michael Floyd is three spots too low.

No Mike Martin?

RaiderNation
05-23-2010, 10:41 PM
I cant see how you rank Luck and Mallett ahead of Locker at this point

tjsunstein
05-24-2010, 07:51 AM
Some interesting rankings for sure - most notably QB, but kudos on the time and effort.

Texas Homer
05-25-2010, 11:17 AM
Nice list.

I like to see Texas players OG Michael Huey (Sr.) and WR Malcolm Williams (Jr.) work their way on to your Rankings next season.

Both have a lot of talent and potential, but in my opinion both need to work on being more consistent.

On Texas OT (Sr.) Kyle Hix, I'm excited to see what he looks like at LT for Texas after starting for Texas every game for 2 seasons at RT. Hix is listed at 6'7.5 320.

Hurricanes25
05-25-2010, 11:21 AM
I know we all have differnent opinions on players but Ponder at 9 seems very low. Any reason why you are down on him?

OneToughGame
05-25-2010, 12:55 PM
No mason foster at all?

wicket
05-25-2010, 01:06 PM
just comments regarding all the ND guys rankings:

Armando Allen is ranked a bit high iyam, he has talent but has a lot to prove

Michael Floyd, you can make a point of ranking him anywhere between 1 and 4 although I have him two but I cant blame anyone for having green, jones, floyd and baldwin in any order.

Kyle Rudolph is the clear #1 TE in my book and I would love to hear your argument for ranking Kendricks over him.

Mike Ragone is the kind of guy that would get drafted possibly (if the pot thing doesnt kick him of the team) but to rank him as high as you have is a little farfetched given his injury history.

Dan Wenger should be nowhere near your rankings, Chris Stewart could be in there somewhere but Wenger has no chance of making any pro team as he wont even be a starter probably.

princefielder28
05-25-2010, 01:55 PM
No mason foster at all?

to be honest, i completely forgot about him...i'll slot him right now

marshallb
05-25-2010, 06:04 PM
Wait... you really have Stanzi ahead of Ponder? Seriously?

I know we all have differnent opinions on players but Ponder at 9 seems very low. Any reason why you are down on him?

These. I would just like to know why you're so down on him. Personally, I have him ranked as my #4 QB, and while I can understand a couple spot drop #9 seems way too low.

superman8456
05-25-2010, 06:41 PM
DeAndre Brown hater?

I probably would have included Nigel Bradham. Definitely would have included Janoris Jenkins.

princefielder28
05-26-2010, 07:47 AM
These. I would just like to know why you're so down on him. Personally, I have him ranked as my #4 QB, and while I can understand a couple spot drop #9 seems way too low.

His arm strength is decent, doesn't throw a great ball, has a tendecy to stare down his targets and although he's a good athlete for position, his footwork needs work as well. Plus, is he a bit of a one-year wonder?

ncst8fan83
05-26-2010, 07:58 AM
PF,

Where do you have George Bryan in your TE rankings?

princefielder28
05-26-2010, 08:42 AM
PF,

Where do you have George Bryan in your TE rankings?

I view Rudolph as the only junior tight end who is likely to come out at this point, but if I had to slot George Bryan I would porbably have him at #3. I love his size and I think this could be a big time breakout year for him. I know he had a big sophomore year and got 1st team all conference recognition, but I'm talking maybe a sleeper as an All-American.

scottyboy
05-26-2010, 10:36 AM
Freeny is a DE, unless you're projecting him as a 3-4 OLB...which would be quite interesting, I think he could really thrive there.

princefielder28
05-26-2010, 10:48 AM
Freeny is a DE, unless you're projecting him as a 3-4 OLB...which would be quite interesting, I think he could really thrive there.

that's where i'm projecting him...at some point i'm going to separate the defensive positions into 43 DE, 34 end, DT, NT, 43 OLB, 34 OLB, ILB, CB, S

RyanBraun8
06-07-2010, 12:08 AM
Not being a Wisconsin homer or anything but I can't believe John Clay doesn't crack top 20. I while I don't see him as a star in the NFL but think he could be a lot like a Brandon Jacobs.

I agree with the QB's Luck and Mallett are pretty close but I think Locker is still behind both.

fenikz
06-07-2010, 04:17 AM
I don't get the Andrew Luck love, anytime i watched him he look pretty terrible, constantly over or under throwing WRs as he stares them down

princefielder28
06-07-2010, 07:23 AM
Not being a Wisconsin homer or anything but I can't believe John Clay doesn't crack top 20. I while I don't see him as a star in the NFL but think he could be a lot like a Brandon Jacobs.

I agree with the QB's Luck and Mallett are pretty close but I think Locker is still behind both.

For whatever reason I didn't throw Clay in my rankings.... :(

prock
06-07-2010, 07:57 AM
The Andrew Luck ranking is confusing to me. Jacquizz Rodgers is a top 21 running back, in my opinion.

princefielder28
06-07-2010, 09:33 AM
The Andrew Luck ranking is confusing to me. Jacquizz Rodgers is a top 21 running back, in my opinion.

I didn't add every single underclassmen, only ones I see as having a strong chance at coming out.

Care to explain why the Luck rating is confusing???

DiG
06-07-2010, 09:38 AM
Care to explain why the Luck rating is confusing???

Im with you on Luck but I just dont think he will declare yet. I think he's a special breed of QB and has everything it takes to be a star down the road.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
06-07-2010, 12:45 PM
I love that you have Alex Tanney ranked. If he could make the NFL from tiny Lexington, IL I would be amazed. You don't often see 1A Illinois kids make the NFL.

bce
06-07-2010, 01:24 PM
Im with you on Luck but I just dont think he will declare yet. I think he's a special breed of QB and has everything it takes to be a star down the road.


And you believe this why? It cant be his genetics. His father was one of the worst NFL qbs who ever lived. Cant be his production on the field. He was kind of a handoff machine.

I dont get the basis of Andrew luck as some type of star. He hasnt shown anything to warrant it.

DiG
06-07-2010, 01:56 PM
And you believe this why? It cant be his genetics. His father was one of the worst NFL qbs who ever lived. Cant be his production on the field. He was kind of a handoff machine.

I dont get the basis of Andrew luck as some type of star. He hasnt shown anything to warrant it.

24 attempts per game is a handoff machine???? Toby ate up redzone touches but Luck was very impressive throwing the ball efficiently as a freshman and has shown he can make all the throws. As a freshman, he was able to come in and pick up a pro offense very quickly and throw all the difficult routes. He had a 3.25 to 1 TD to Int ratio and stepped up and performed well in several big games, outside of Cal. He's got prototypical size, great arm strength, timing, accuracy, leadership, attitude, and if he continues to improve over the next two seasons (i dont think he will come out after his soph year) than his experience will be hard to argue.

bce
06-07-2010, 02:32 PM
24 attempts per game is a handoff machine???? Toby ate up redzone touches but Luck was very impressive throwing the ball efficiently as a freshman and has shown he can make all the throws. As a freshman, he was able to come in and pick up a pro offense very quickly and throw all the difficult routes. He had a 3.25 to 1 TD to Int ratio and stepped up and performed well in several big games, outside of Cal. He's got prototypical size, great arm strength, timing, accuracy, leadership, attitude, and if he continues to improve over the next two seasons (i dont think he will come out after his soph year) than his experience will be hard to argue.


but he only had 13 tds, so that ratio is fine, but he only had 13 tds. You say he has all these traits, but the numbers dont bear that out. 24 attempts per game is a pretty low number. thats pretty much an handoff machine numbers, especially for college. Whatever his physical ability, its not translating to greatness between the white lines at this point. You dont know for a fact he has great leadership, timing, and attitude either. Just because someone attends stanford soesnt mean they have top end nfl qb traits. It means theyre smart, but so is trent edwards. You would think trent edwards had great leadership and attitude etc etc, but he doesnt. At least not between the white lines, where it counts. Until i see greatness between the white lines, andrew luck is nobody.

tjsunstein
06-07-2010, 02:37 PM
There's a lot more to evaluating a prospect that numbers. Don't get me wrong, they have substance as well but for a prospect like Luck, the numbers don't tell the whole story.

RealityCheck
06-07-2010, 02:38 PM
And you believe this why? It cant be his genetics. His father was one of the worst NFL qbs who ever lived. Cant be his production on the field. He was kind of a handoff machine.
Archie sucked, Peyton rules.

Genetics don't mean nothing in sports.

wonderbredd24
06-07-2010, 02:50 PM
Archie sucked, Peyton rules.

Genetics don't mean nothing in sports.

Umm, what?

RealityCheck
06-07-2010, 03:08 PM
Umm, what?
Compared to his son, yes he did.

So it doesn't mean Andrew will be crap because Oliver was crap.

bce
06-07-2010, 03:13 PM
Archie sucked, Peyton rules.

Genetics don't mean nothing in sports.


To project a player as the best player before theyve proven theyre the best player is the folly. Andrew luck hasnt proven himself to be the best player between the white lines. You dont have to be the #1 passer in college. But you do have to show a certain level of proficiency. Andrew luck hasnt shown that level yet. Until he does, hes nobody. Hes speculation.

Im a huge believer in genetics. The hand of God works in mysterious ways with regards to qbs. But i know oliver luck was one of the worst ever, and I know that genetics get passed down. Archie has great genetics, and was a pretty good football player on some bad football teams. Not as great as his offspring, but he had traits, and given better circumstance, could have been a much better player. Oliver luck has no traits except being proven awful, so lets hope for andrews sake that he doesnt have daddys genetics.

bce
06-07-2010, 03:16 PM
There's a lot more to evaluating a prospect that numbers. Don't get me wrong, they have substance as well but for a prospect like Luck, the numbers don't tell the whole story.


Whats the story then?

tjsunstein
06-07-2010, 03:28 PM
Whats the story then?
For beginners, he was a freshman last year, reshirted but still a freshman so don't go off grading the kid as if last year is going to be his best year. As a freshman, you show flashes, you show promise, and that's exactly what he did. His decision making is NFL ready, his poise and leadership are still improving even though they are already highly regarded, and he is an intelligent kid. He has the tools on the field, the size, the necessary arm (could be a bit stronger) with nice accuracy.

That said, there were times last year where he looked phenomenal, and times he looked pedestrian. But, that's expected for a redshirt freshman. Do I think he's the best in this class? No. I have him behind Locker and Mallett but to say he hasn't shown anything yet is just arrogant to what he's done.

He's set himself up with lofty expectations. What he does with them will ultimately determine his fate but these people don't think as highly as they do about him all for nothing. There's something there. Whether or not you want to recognize it is totally up to you, but you can't ignore it.

bce
06-07-2010, 03:48 PM
So he hasnt proven anything. What has he done other than throw for 2500 13 tds and 4 ints. Its not arrogance. I demand proof. Hes not proven anything. He has the same amount of starts as ryan malett, with a lot less production against a lot lower level of competition. You say a 20 year old has nfl decision making proven. I say thats certainly false. His leadership and poise . Thats a euphemism for "he goes to stanford" which means absolutely nothing. He doesnt have a top end throwing arm youve admitted. Show me the money, and when you show me the money, ill believe you. He hasnt shown me the money. Hes shown nothing more than being a decent college qb. Anything else is just speculation. I dont believe in speculation or flashes. Show you have the traits, and until that time comes, youre nobody. He hasnt shown the traits, so to rank him high is all speculation.

will99890
06-07-2010, 09:50 PM
WOOOOOW BCE hahaha

I'm a pretty big Luck supporter. Locker>Luck>Mallett imo. Sure his numbers weren't spectacular, but

a. he was a first year starter
b. he showed the arm strength and touch to make the most difficult throws (Deep out, corner, deep curl etc)
c. throws a very catchable ball. I don't care if you have a Jamarcus or Mallett sized arm if your passes are too fast/off target to be caught
d. as a first year starter he made WAY less mistakes and negative plays than QBs with 2+ years of experience on him

As far as a comparison, I can see a little Matt Ryan in him. Not flashy, dont play with the best talent around them, good but not great physical traits. Leadership/toughness are the only other traits Ryan had and that has yet to be seen in Luck. Time will tell.

princefielder28
06-07-2010, 11:16 PM
bce, so based off your criteria, was Dan LeFevour the greatest college quarterback ever??? his stats were sicker than anyone else, most touchdowns ever!!!!

you seem to be one of those posters who is just stubborn and doesn't really have substance behind what you say and your "substance" is claiming that other people need to have more to back up their views.

Ozzy
06-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Very good list, and adding the small school guys in as well is a nice touch.

It seems no matter who does the rankings, for the most part they are all the same minus a few minor changes in this or that.

Clearly a few of us guys on here know a thing or two, almost every list I have seen on here they all have Daniel Thomas from Kansas State. And I thought I was the only one who was on his band wagon, clearly talent is seen across the board in some cases, same with Prince on Nebraska.

prock
06-08-2010, 04:26 PM
I didn't add every single underclassmen, only ones I see as having a strong chance at coming out.

Care to explain why the Luck rating is confusing???

I think there is way too high of expectations for Luck that he cannot possibly live up to. I don't quite get how a guy who showed a lot of potential during his freshman year behind the should have been Heisman winner can be rated higher than guys like Mallet and Locker who have shown for development. The Luck love is 100% projection, whereas Mallet and Locker have already taken huge strides to fulfilling their potential. I think Luck is going to be a hell of a player, but I don't fully understand how he can be ranked above Mallet and Locker.

bce
06-08-2010, 04:43 PM
bce, so based off your criteria, was Dan LeFevour the greatest college quarterback ever??? his stats were sicker than anyone else, most touchdowns ever!!!!

you seem to be one of those posters who is just stubborn and doesn't really have substance behind what you say and your "substance" is claiming that other people need to have more to back up their views.



Thats exactly what needs to happen. they need to back up what they say with some sort of proof. To say so and so is the best player because you read it somewhere doesnt mean anything. Dan lefevour has sub nfl level qb traits. Hes actually very similar to jake locker, except he produced more, which is pretty scary for jake locker.

wonderbredd24
06-08-2010, 04:44 PM
Thats exactly what needs to happen. they need to back up what they say with some sort of proof. To say so and so is the best player because you read it somewhere doesnt mean anything. Dan lefevour has sub nfl level qb traits. Hes actually very similar to jake locker, except he produced more, which is pretty scary for jake locker.
Wow. You have officially blown me away with this post.

prock
06-08-2010, 04:50 PM
I am going to start ignoring bce in a bit. He thinks we are all idiots who just read somewhere that Jake Locker (for example) iz gud so we luv him, but this holier than thou mother ****** is the all-knowing draft god we have been waiting for. Sorry bud, I hate to burst your bubble but you don't know ****.

bce
06-08-2010, 05:23 PM
By all means ignore me. You think i come on here to listen to you or something, to let your wisdom penetrate my brain. I have a different perspective on the whole thing than you do, whether you approve is immaterial to me. Id much rather cavort with someone whos disagreeable to what i say who actually provides something to me other than calling people morons. Im just here for information and to post my board.

prock
06-08-2010, 06:50 PM
By all means ignore me. You think i come on here to listen to you or something, to let your wisdom penetrate my brain. I have a different perspective on the whole thing than you do, whether you approve is immaterial to me. Id much rather cavort with someone whos disagreeable to what i say who actually provides something to me other than calling people morons. Im just here for information and to post my board.

You are here for information? I thought you don't listen to the media or to other people? What's wrong? You only listen to what you see, why do you need any other information?

bce
06-08-2010, 07:15 PM
Sometimes people say things or provide information thats useful. Not you of course, but you can get information on players or put players on a list to watch or get information on players you didnt know before. Saying robert quinn is the best player isnt useful. I can read that anywhere. But sometimes someone posts something that is useful.

prock
06-09-2010, 12:48 AM
Sometimes people say things or provide information thats useful. Not you of course, but you can get information on players or put players on a list to watch or get information on players you didnt know before. Saying robert quinn is the best player isnt useful. I can read that anywhere. But sometimes someone posts something that is useful.

Like you, saying defensive tackle isn't an important position at all. Or that Robert Quinn, AJ Green, and Jake Locker aren't first rounders. I just shouldn't speak and just listen to the ******* gold that you type onto these threads.