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JFLO
05-24-2010, 02:47 PM
I've been debating on how I want to rank players for this upcoming draft class. I've debated on doing the Top 100 Prospects every three months or just doing a simple big board every month. I've decided on the latter and will be ranking the Top 40 Prospects of the 2011 Class for each month. I will also be ranking the Top 10 prospects by position each month.

Obviously players' performances on the field will dictate the movement that they have in the positional rankings and the big board.

So first, before revealing the 1st big board of the 2011 draft class season, I wanted to give some initial analysis and my perspective on the players who are eligible in April.

From an initial standpoint of both 2010 and 2011, I give the edge to 2011. At this point last year, I only had two elite players ranked in Tennessee S Eric Berry and Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy. At the end of the class, the most highly touted defensive player to enter the draft within the past 10-15 years also graded out as an Elite prospect in Nebraska's DT Ndamukong Suh.

However in 2011, I have three prospects ranked at the Elite grade from an initial standpoint. Led by Tar Heel DE Robert Quinn who has a very mature game for his age while still maintaining freakish athleticism to be a constant force around the edge. The #2 prospect in the land is Washington QB Jake Locker. Locker declined the possibility to be the #1 pick in 2010 in order to help the Huskies possibly reach a BCS game this season. Locker has the fantastic intangibles and mechanics as a possible franchise signal caller as well as a great arm strength and tremendous athleticism to be a threat outside the pocket. The last elite prospect and #3 in the class is Georgia Wide Receiver A.J. Green.

Then there are some players who, plain and simple, did not make the cut for the first Big Board. The most notable player being North Carolina DT Marvin Austin. Austin hasn't lived up to the high school hype that followed him to Chapel Hill and really hasn't proven to be the highly projected prospect that most perceived him to be during his tenure. He does show glimpses of promise but it seems that too often he finds himself shoved off the line of scrimmage, lost in the mess or he simply doesn't put forth the full effort to be a star caliber player.

Other players who did not make the cut would be Florida State signal caller Christian Ponder, Clemson redshirt sophomore Rashard Hall and North Carolina CB Kendric Burney. However, I feel that Burney will ultimately be a very hot commodity in April.


So without further adieu; The Big Board -- Month of May revealed, along with the Top 10 positional rankings.

***NOTE FOR UNDERCLASSMEN***
In order for an underclassmen to be ranked, they must be a Top 10 positional talent. I will only state this once and if you cry to me about why Janoris Jenkins or DeAndre Brown aren't listed, then I would like to criticize you in advance for not reading this. As the season moves on, I'll start to add more players to the rankings, but for now, it's only ten players per position.


Quarterback
1. Jake Locker - - Washington
2. Ryan Mallett - - Arkansas*
3. Andrew Luck - - Stanford**
4. Christian Ponder - - Florida State
5. Jerrod Johnson - - Texas A&M
6. Blaine Gabbert - - Missouri*
7. Pat Devlin - - Delaware
8. Nathan Enderle - - Idaho
9. Ricky Stanzi - - Iowa
10. Greg McElroy - - Alabama

Others to Watch
- Case Keenum - - Houston
- Tyrod Taylor - - Virginia Tech
- Mike Hartline - - Kentucky

Running Back
1. Mark Ingram - - Alabama*
2. Demarco Murray - - Oklahoma
3. Ryan Williams - - Virginia Tech**
4. Evan Royster - - Penn State
5. Daniel Thomas - - Kansas State
6. Noel Devine - - West Virginia
7. Allen Bradford - - Southern California
8. Jacquizz Rodgers - - Oregon State*
9. Brandon Saine - - Ohio State
10. Mario Fannin - - Auburn

Others to Watch
- Da'Rel Scott - - Maryland
- Damien Berry - - Miami (FL)
- Vondrell McGee - - Texas

Fullback
1. Owen Marecic - - Stanford
2. Stanley Havili - - Southern California
3. Shaun Chapas - - Georgia
4. D.J. Williams - - Arkansas
5. Charles Clay - - Tulsa

Wide Receiver
1. A.J. Green - - Georgia*
2. Jonathan Baldwin - - Pittsburgh*
3. Julio Jones - - Alabama*
4. Michael Floyd - - Notre Dame*
5. DeVier Posey - - Ohio State*
6. Greg Little - - North Carolina
7. Ryan Broyles - - Oklahoma*
8. Austin Pettis - - Boise State
9. Niles Paul - - Nebraska
10. Terrence Toliver - - Louisiana State

Others to Watch
- Armon Binns - - Cincinnati
- Aldrick Robinson - - Southern Methodist
- Marshall Williams - - Wake Forest

Tight End
1. Kyle Rudolph - - Notre Dame*
2. Luke Stocker - - Tennessee
3. George Bryan - - North Carolina State*
4. Lance Kendricks - - Wisconsin
5. Weslye Saunders - - South Carolina
6. Kavario Middleton - - Washington*
7. Konrad Reuland - - Stanford
8. Mike McNeill - - Nebraska
9. Blake Ayles - - Southern California*
10. Stephen Skelton - - Fordham

Others to Watch
- Greg Smith - - Texas
- Cameron Graham - - Louisville
- Brett Huffman - - Duke

Offensive Tackle
1. Matt Reynolds - - Brigham Young*
2. Anthony Castonzo - - Boston College
3. Gabe Carimi - - Wisconsin
4. Joseph Barksdale - - Louisiana State
5. Lee Ziemba - - Auburn
6. Clint Boling - - Georgia
7. Nate Solder - - Colorado
8. Nate Potter - - Boise State*
9. Derek Sherrod - - Mississippi State
10. Blake DeChristopher - - Virginia Tech*

Others to Watch
- Rob McGill - - Louisiana Tech
- Chris Hairston - - Clemson
- Marcus Cannon - - Texas Christian

Interior Lineman
1. Mike Pouncey - - Florida
2. Kristofer O’Dowd - - Southern California
3. Stefen Wisniewski - - Penn State
4. Justin Boren - - Ohio State
5. Rodney Hudson - - Florida State
6. Mike Brewster - - Ohio State*
7. James Wilson - - Florida*
8. Ben Ijalana - - Villanova
9. John Moffitt - - Wiconsin
10. Thomas Claiborne - - Boston College

Others to Watch
- Stephen Schilling - - Michigan
- Andrew Jackson - - Fresno State
- Joel Figueroa - - Miami (FL)

Defensive End
1. Robert Quinn - - North Carolina*
2. Cameron Heyward - - Ohio State
3. Jack Crawford - - Penn State*
4. Adrian Clayborn - - Iowa
5. Greg Romeus - - Pittsburgh
6. Sam Acho - - Texas
7. Cliff Matthews - - South Carolina
8. Jeremy Beal - - Oklahoma
9. Da’Quan Bowers - - Clemson*
10. Jabaal Sheard - - Pittsburgh

Others to Watch
- Pierre Allen - - Nebraska
- Tom Keiser - - Stanford
- Christian Anthony - - Grambling

Defensive Tackle
1. Marcel Dareus - - Alabama*
2. Jurrell Casey - - Southern California*
3. Allen Bailey - - Miami (FL)
4. Jerrell Powe - - Ole Miss
5. Stephen Paea - - Oregon State
6. Jared Crick - - Nebraska*
7. Marvin Austin - - North Carolina
8. Jarvis Jenkins - - Clemson
9. Kendrick Ellis - - Hampton
10. Lawrence Marsh - - Florida

Others to Watch
- Ricky Lumpkin - - Kentucky
- John Graves - - Virginia Tech
- Ladi Ajiboye - - South Carolina

Outside Linebacker
1. Akeem Ayers - - UCLA*
2. Von Miller - - Texas A&M
3. Nigel Bradham - - Florida State*
4. Travis Lewis - - Oklahoma*
5. Quan Sturdivant - - North Carolina
6. Bruce Carter - - North Carolina
7. Michael Morgan - - Southern California
8. Ross Homan - - Ohio State
9. Mark Herzlich - - Boston College
10. Adrian Robinson - - Temple*

Others to Watch
- Wayne Daniels - - Texas Christian
- Bruce Miller - - Central Florida
- K.J. Wright - - Mississippi State

Inside Linebacker
1. Greg Jones - - Michigan State
2. Dont’a Hightower - - Alabama*
3. Chris Galippo - - Southern California*
4. Colin McCarthy - - Miami (FL)
5. Mike Mohamed - - California
6. Josh Bynes - - Auburn
7. Kelvin Sheppard - - Louisiana State
8. Nate Irving - - North Carolina State
9. Alex Wujciak - - Maryland
10. Barquell Rivers - - Virginia Tech*

Others to Watch
- Casey Mathews - - Oregon
- Brian Rolle - - Ohio State
- Akeem Dent - - Georgia

Cornerback
1. Patrick Peterson - - Louisiana State*
2. Aaron Williams - - Texas*
3. Prince Amukamara - - Nebraska
4. Ras-I Dowling - - Virginia
5. Curtis Brown - - Texas
6. Kendric Burney - - North Carolina
7. Brandon Harris - - Miami (FL)*
8. Rashad Carmichael - - Virginia Tech
9. Davon House - - New Mexico State
10. Brandon Boykin - - Georgia*

Others to Watch
- Jason Teague - - Texas Christian
- Marcus Gilchrist - - Clemson
- Mario Butler - - Georgia Tech

Safety
1. Rahim Moore - - UCLA*
2. DeAndre McDaniel - - Clemson
3. Will Hill - - Florida*
4. Rashard Hall - - Clemson**
5. Mark Barron - - Alabama*
6. Deunta Williams - - North Carolina
7. Chris Culliver - - South Carolina
8. Karnell Hatcher - - Louisiana State*
9. Jaiquawn Jarrett - - Temple
10. Robert Sands - - West Virginia*

Others to Watch
- Quinton Carter - - Oklahoma
- Davonte Shannon - - Buffalo
- Zac Etheridge - - Auburn

THE BIG BOARD -- MONTH OF MAY

1. Robert Quinn // Defensive End // North Carolina*
- The #1 prospect in the land is a freak of an athlete while still possessing a very mature game for his age. Quinn has developed his body and game even more during the off-season and should be one of the most dominant defensive forces in the nation in 2010.

2. Jake Locker // Quarterback // Washington
- Locker turned down the chance to possibly be the #1 pick in 2010 to return to help Washington get to a bowl game. The chances of that are very possible with a strong offensive team led by the best signal caller in 2010. The Huskie's overall mechanics and intangibles are superb while having the fantastic athleticism to be a consistent threat outside the pocket.

3. A.J. Green // Wide Receiver // Georgia*
- The best receiver since Megatron in 2007, Green has all the tools and abilities to be an elite #1 receiver at the next level. He's put up staggering numbers with two different quarterbacks in his only two years at Athens. In an elite year of wide receivers, Green is the cream of the crop and has All-World potential.

4. Cameron Heyward // Defensive Lineman // Ohio State
- No defensive lineman offers more versatility and size than Heyward. Capable of playing in either a 4-3 or 3-4, the Buckeye has top notch athleticism along the line of scrimmage to be a consistent factor at the next level. He needs some technique work but that is definitely something that can be coached on and can make him one of the better lineman in the league.

5. Ryan Mallett // Quarterback // Arkansas*
- May have the strongest arm in all of football and hasn't stopped developing since transferring from Michigan in 2008. Mallett, hands down, has the most elite physical tools in the class and with more experience he could contend to be the #1 pick in April.

6. Patrick Peterson // Defensive Back // Louisiana State*
- Peterson came on strong as a freshman in 2008 and has been shutting down his side of the field since. He's not an elite athlete but he has excellent technique, ball skills and good fluidity. Not to mention he has severely imposing size at the line of scrimmage, Peterson will be a very hot commodity.

7. Jonathan Baldwin // Wide Receiver // Pittsburgh*
- Of the "Fantastic Four", Baldwin's name isn't being mentioned nearly enough. A massive target with vastly underrated athleticism, Baldwin has excellent hand-eye coordination and body control to be a serious force in the NFL.

8. Andrew Luck // Quarterback // Stanford*
- As a mere R/s sophomore, Luck has shown hints of elite intangibles and abilities at the quarterback position. He needs to prove to be the same force without Toby Gerhart behind him and if he can do that, then Luck has a serious shot of landing the #1 pick next year.

9. Julio Jones // Wide Receiver // Alabama*
- Jones needs to prove more of his game on the field, but he has elite physical abilities and has received some early comparisons to future HOF receiver Terrell Owens. Besides his obvious production skills, there are some worries about his maturity, but his potential and natural abilities would make him well worth the risk.

10. Matt Reynolds // Offensive Tackle // Brigham Young*
- This isn't the best year of talent at offensive tackle, but Reynolds is the top dog and has the chance to be something special at the next level. A natural knee-bender and good athlete with nimble feet, Reynolds has the ability to keep up with some of the faster pass rushers in the nation.

11. Aaron Williams // Cornerback // Texas*
- By the time April rolls around, I think most will consider 2011 to be a better year at cornerback than 2010 and Aaron Williams will be an essential reason. The Longhorn is as smooth and athletic as it gets and is a true acrobat when going after the ball. In the end, I think Williams will be a better overall prospect than last year's #7 pick Joe Haden.

12. Marcel Dareus // Defensive Lineman // Alabama*
- Dareus shot onto the scene with his National Championship performance against Texas and the buzz about him hasn't stopped since. A highly athletic, versatile lineman that plays with uncanny leverage that seems to have him involved in every play of the defensive possession. His stock may be just hype now, but he'll most likely change that with his play this season.

13. Rahim Moore // Safety // UCLA*
- The knock on Moore is that he needs more experience and has to prove to be the same force this year for the Bruins that he was in 2009. Moore is a natural ballhawk though that has a great work ethic and vastly underrated against the run.

14. Jack Crawford // Defensive End // Penn State*
- This may come as a surprise to some people, but Crawford has All-World potential as an edge rusher at the next level. He is still raw and that is understandable, but with the full starting role now in his hands, it's time for him to shine. To put it simply, Crawford has more potential than former Nittany Lion and 2009 1st round choice Aaron Maybin.

15. Akeem Ayers // Outside Linebacker // UCLA*
- Pac-10 teams should look out because two of the best defenders in the nation are attacking from the Bruins sideline. Ayers is a natural, instinctive playmaker who may offer some versatility at defensive end when it's all said and done. He has a massive frame while still possessing the sideline-to-sideline speed to be a first round pick in April.

16. Mark Ingram // Running Back // Alabama*
- Last year's Heisman winner will most likely see a production decline this season but he still has starter potential written all over him. He's a pinball up the middle while still having the vision and lateral ability to attack the sidelines. He also shows the ability to carry the ball 25+ times a game if needed.

17. DeAndre McDaniel // Safety // Clemson
- May not be one of the elite athletes in the class but still has a solid all-around game that should lead him to a stellar career in the NFL. The Tiger is ultra-productive in both the pass and run game and shows great instincts. He is also a better tackler than most linebackers in the ACC.

18. Von Miller // Outside Linebacker/Edge Rusher // Texas A&M
- Miller became a household name last year for the Aggies and will draw some comparisons to 2010 first round pick Jerry Hughes. A silky smooth pass rusher, Miller has shown the ability to get to the quarterback consistently. He needs to prove to be the same force this season and improve his technique, but he is as solid as it gets.

19. Michael Floyd // Wide Receiver // Notre Dame*
- Durability is a big turn-off with Floyd, but his potential when healthy is immense. He's a great vertical threat with tremendous body control and leaping ability. He may also be the biggest red zone threat in the class of all Wide Receivers in 2011.

20. Anthony Castonzo // Offensive Tackle // Boston College
- No offensive lineman in the class offers more experience and polish than Castonzo. He has decent athleticism and great technique to be a good blindside guy for 10+ years. His feet are a bit heavy, but with some improvement, he has the potential to be a cornerstone at the next level.

21. Greg Jones // Linebacker // Michigan State
- A little undersized, but Jones offers supreme athleticism and has been nothing but productive since he stepped foot in East Lansing. He offers some versatility as well but the biggest pro about Jones' game is the fact that he is the most pure form tackler in the class.

22. Adrian Clayborn // Defensive End // Iowa
- Clayborn's stock is a bit overrated due to his lack of overall athleticism and speed off the edge, but no one plays with more heart or relentlessness than the Hawkeye. The status of his stock will most likely depend on the overall success of the Iowa football team this year.

23. Gabe Carimi // Offensive Tackle // Wisconsin
- Most likely the best run blocking tackle in the class of 2011, Carimi has mammoth size and surprisingly nimble feet. He reaches the second level fairly well and should flourish in a run-heavy scheme at the next level.

24. Kyle Rudolph // Tight End // Notre Dame*
- The Jason Witten comparisons are a little much at the moment, but Rudolph has shown glimpses of the Cowboys' Pro Bowler at his better moments. Rudolph is a dynamic receiving threat who isn't a half-bad run blocker either. It will be interesting to see how he does in his first (and maybe last) year in Brian Kelly's spread offense.

25. Dont'a Hightower // Linebacker // Alabama*
- Missed the majority of the 2009 season due to a knee injury but Hightower simply oozes potential. He's built like a tree trunk and has some underrated abilities when chasing the football. Reports are saying that Hightower may even offer more potential than former teammate and 2010 1st round pick, Rolando McClain.

26. Nigel Bradham // Linebacker // Florida State*
- He is still relatively raw, but he is developing extremely well while at Florida State. Bradham's skill set may be the most intriguing of any linebacker in the class as he has proven to drop plenty of jaws with some of the plays he has made on the field for the Seminoles.

27. Jurrell Casey // Defensive Tackle // Southern California*
- The best comparison for Casey is former Trojan Sedrick Ellis, as they have almost the same exact build and game. Casey is an ultra-quick UT who may be the hardest hitting defensive lineman in the entire nation. Don't count out his ability to play end in a 3-4 as well, as he has had some experience playing outside while in Los Angeles.

28. Greg Romeus // Defensive End // Pittsburgh
- A very crafty pass rusher who knows how to use his hands and has the speed to get around the edge. His strength at the point of attack needs some development but once he develops more over time, Romeus could be a valuable asset at the next level.

29. Mike Pouncey // Interior Lineman // Florida
- From an initial standpoint, Mike isn't the same prospect as his brother, but now that he is playing Center for the Gators, his talent should really show. He has really good footwork and legitimate awareness at the line of scrimmage.

30. Prince Amukamara // Cornerback // Nebraska
- The third cornerback in the rankings has a solid overall skill set. Amukamara has proven to be a load against the run and passing game. His ball skills aren't that bad either as he racked up five interceptions for the Cornhuskers last season.

31. Demarco Murray // Running Back // Oklahoma
- If not for his injury issues, Murray would have been a Top 20 choice in April. He's an extremely dynamic player who has a second and even third gear in his speeds. The Sooner also offers versatility with his return and receiving abilities. He is a true home run threat.

32. Allen Bailey // Defensive Lineman // Miami (FL)
- A freak of an athlete in every sense of the phrase, Bailey has the potential to be a serious game-changer in the NFL. He is still raw so his technique needs some work and he has to prove to scouts that he can stay healthy.

33. Kristoffer O'Dowd // Interior Lineman // Southern California
- The Trojan offers elite experience and decent athleticism and footwork. However, he is a tremendous technician and a very aware presence at the lien of scrimmage. O'Dowd was named to the All Pac-10 1st Team as a mere Sophomore. Must stay healthy though.

34. Jerrell Powe // Defensive Lineman // Ole Miss
- Powe will most likely be a hot commodity in April due to the lack of talent at the nose tackle position, but Powe is a good talent in his own right. He is surprisingly very mobile for a man of his stature and will be an intriguing prospect to watch throughout the season.

35. Ryan Williams // Running Back // Virginia Tech**
- Came on extremely productive after replacing injured Darren Evans as a redshirt freshman. However, Williams needs to prove that he is not a product and that he can be the same type of player this season for the Hokies. The Deanglo Williams comparisons are waay to early, but he has good vision and lateral ability.

36. Travis Lewis // Outside Linebacker // Oklahoma
- Highly athletic 'backer who may have some off-field issues but has solid overall mechanics and vision when chasing the ball carrier. He is widely known for his super productive R/s freshman season and will look to build upon his success in 2010.

37. Joe Barksdale // Offensive Tackle // Louisiana State
- Barksdale isn't as athletic or aware as some people are perceiving, but his footwork is decent and he is a stud in the run protection aspect of his game. He's comparable to last year's #4 overall choice Trent Williams in a lot of different eays.

38. Stephen Paea // Defensive Tackle // Oregon State
- An absolute bulldog up the middle, Paea packs quite an explosion of power in his compact size. A good combination of quickness and initial strength at the point of attack, Paea is a relentless lineman who is always near the ball carrier.

39. Will Hill // Safety // Florida*
- How good is Will Hill? Just ask Major Wright who was basically forced to declare early last year after Hill's immense play as a sophomore. He's an extremely fluid athlete with exceptional range and the ability to make a play on the ball. I expect Hill's stock to soar throughout the season for the Gators.

40. DeVier Posey // Wide Receiver // Ohio State*
- Posey is as natural of an athlete as they come and is a true vertical threat. His stock may rely too much on the play of Terrelle Pryor, but he is a fantastic receiver nonetheless and should have scouts talking about his numbers in February.

Just Missed the Cut
- Ras-I Dowling // Defensive Back // Virginia
- Jared Crick // Defensive Lineman // Nebraska*
- Sam Acho // Defensive Lineman // Texas
- Rashard Hall // Safety // Clemson**
- Marvin Austin // Defensive Tackle // North Carolina


All thoughts are acceptable and I welcome them. Like I said previously, I'm looking to make this a monthly thing. Obviously don't expect massive changes in the months of July and August. The only changes will be made due to reflections off of game tape. The meat of the changes will obviously come after the next two months.

Any suggestions for the monthly process are definitely wanted as well.

Ozzy
05-24-2010, 04:14 PM
PS Michael Floyd is better than Jonathan Baldwin.


Chykie is way better than Curtis Brown and no way Moore is better than McDaniel, no way.

Clearly the UCLA love, and if Ayers and Moore are really as good as these lists say, they should be a top five defense in the country, and I doubt that will happen.



Great collection of stuff though, sadly guys like us only have outlets on forums like this, unless one makes their own site that is :rolleyes: Sure is fun to do I must say, college football is the absolute ****!

prock
05-24-2010, 04:43 PM
Yeah I think Floyd is the second best receiver in this class, but that is homerism for a Minnesota boy probably. Good work though, mang.

RealityCheck
05-24-2010, 05:31 PM
I question Casey over Austin.

JFLO
05-24-2010, 05:55 PM
I question Casey over Austin.

lol, I question Austin's play...

I actually believe that Austin will be a really good player this year, but only because he has the paycheck in mind. Then once he signs the dotted line, makes a guaranteed 17-20 mil, then you'll be bowing down to my feet.

I really don't have any love towards UCLA in general, I just happen to like those two players a lot. Akeem Ayers has the ability to be a Top 15 pick. Rahim Moore is in a tough spot because coaches actually know who he is now so it will be tough for him to put up the same production, but he's a stud nonetheless.

PS Ozzy, if you want to say something objective, try to back it up, don't just say Floyd is better than Baldwin, k thanks

LizardState
05-24-2010, 06:44 PM
Voted for Locker. Luck is the best player in the country IMO but will stay at Stanford as he's a RS Soph

Ozzy
05-24-2010, 07:35 PM
PS Ozzy, if you want to say something objective, try to back it up, don't just say Floyd is better than Baldwin, k thanksBack it up? Ok sure.

Michael Floyd in my opinion has far better hands, wonderful ball skills and great hand eye coordination. Wonderful at jump ball situations and is a very good route runner.

Baldwin is a big athletic target, but his up side is not the same as Floyd's I feel because his ball skills and hands are not like that. Floyd is thicker as well, arguably stronger and again a better route runner.


Baldwin just goes deep and Stull got him the ball. Floyd can work short routes, deep routes and is a great red zone target. I liked Floyd more than Baldwin as freshman and that did not change for me last year even with Floyd's injury.

That is where I am coming from.

islandboy843
05-24-2010, 07:55 PM
Its crazy that 2 of your top 3 prospects are from the same area. Had to play against both of them in hs including Carlos Dunlap.

Hines
05-24-2010, 08:11 PM
Back it up? Ok sure.

Michael Floyd in my opinion has far better hands, wonderful ball skills and great hand eye coordination. Wonderful at jump ball situations and is a very good route runner.

Baldwin is a big athletic target, but his up side is not the same as Floyd's I feel because his ball skills and hands are not like that. Floyd is thicker as well, arguably stronger and again a better route runner.


Baldwin just goes deep and Stull got him the ball. Floyd can work short routes, deep routes and is a great red zone target. I liked Floyd more than Baldwin as freshman and that did not change for me last year even with Floyd's injury.

That is where I am coming from.

Just because Baldwin went deep a lot doesn't mean he isnt' a good route runner. He also works the middle, short, deep, and can be a redzone target. He actually has great hands. He's made acrobatic catches in the mold that Floyd does. Also, Pitt is more of a running team and has had **** at QB to throw the ball to Baldwin. Floyd has had Claussen and now Crist. Not saying that JB is better than Floyd because I think Floyd is the second best WR in this class, I'm just saying that JB has just as much upside as Floyd because of everything else.

Cigaro
05-24-2010, 08:33 PM
Its crazy that 2 of your top 3 prospects are from the same area. Had to play against both of them in hs including Carlos Dunlap.

Only if we could keep the talent in state(although I don't think you're a USC fan)

Mr.Regular
05-24-2010, 10:41 PM
I keep going back and forth oh who I like better between Locker and Mallet. I understand Locker probably is the better prospect at this point, so I'm voting him, but I'm a sucker for cannon armed QB's.
I know it's not everything in a prospect, but with all the money in the world being spent on them, I want my signal caller to be able to do it all, like rifle it to anywhere on the field on a frozen rope. Mallet reminds me plenty of JaMarcus the prospect. If he has a brain and work ethic, he could be what Russell was supposed to be.
But Locker at this point has the athleticism, arm, smarts, legs, and intangibles to be the #1 guy.

I considered some other guys like Quinn, Peterson, Green, etc, but in the end these QB's have the potential to be really special, and that really trumps all.

Cigaro
05-24-2010, 11:27 PM
I'm probably the one guy who likes Luck over Locker and Mallett.

Although in the 1a, 1b, 1c type of way.

Paranoidmoonduck
05-24-2010, 11:45 PM
I'm probably the one guy who likes Luck over Locker and Mallett.

Based purely on what they showed last year or what you think they might show this year?

jnew76
05-26-2010, 10:30 AM
I love the rankings... they show a great amount of work and I agree for the most part with almost all of them. I will throw my hat into the ring as one of the people who likes Floyd over Baldwin, and I actually have Floyd as my #1 over Green right now as well, but only slightly over both and it is very fluid.

I think most of the people on the board are overlooking some mid major prospects that will be drafted much higher than most think.

I have Nate Potter of Boise ranked almost even with Matt Reynolds of BYU in my OT rankings.

I also have Wayne Daniels of TCU and Dontay Moch of Nevada in the top 40-50 mix at linebacker.

Ryan Winterswyk - Boise St. is a name to remember at DE

Jake Kirkpatrick - TCU - might be the best Center in the country

TCU also has two of the best Safeties in the country in Tejay Johnson and Alex Ibiloye.

TCU and Boise are absolutely LOADED with talent this year and I think they both could contend to have double digit prospects drafted, as well as 3-4 first rounders between the two when it is all said and done.

Also, Love Phil Taylor - DT - Baylor as he has size and athleticism that is hard to find.

tenorx
05-26-2010, 01:41 PM
Great work :)

Cigaro
05-26-2010, 08:55 PM
Based purely on what they showed last year or what you think they might show this year?

Both.............................................. .........

SF Dolphin Fan
05-27-2010, 11:15 PM
Great work. Thanks for all the information.

Paranoidmoonduck
05-27-2010, 11:32 PM
Both.............................................. .........

That's not really what I asked, is it? There's no way that Luck was the quarterback that Mallett or Locker were last year. He showed flashes for sure, but he had real consistency issues. His highlight reel looks great, but you watch entire games of him and you'll see him miss tons of throws and make some head scratching throws.

I like Luck, but he's so much more projection than the other two.

LizardState
05-30-2010, 10:38 AM
That's not really what I asked, is it? There's no way that Luck was the quarterback that Mallett or Locker were last year. He showed flashes for sure, but he had real consistency issues. His highlight reel looks great, but you watch entire games of him and you'll see him miss tons of throws and make some head scratching throws.

I like Luck, but he's so much more projection than the other two.

Luck: More raw talent than the other 2. His NFL pedigree helps him more with an advanced head for the game as a field general than the others as well, playing at an NFL-clone offense like Stanford with a former NFL starting QB as his hc helps that too. Still throws a prettier, more accurate receiver-friendly ball than Mallett or Locker.

Locker: Classic case of a very good, NFL-draftworthy player on an improving team under Sark but still a very bad Pac 10 team. Disregard the Huskies W-L rcd. here & look at Locker's highlight films, his positive yardage & scoring stats this season is a better measure of his place in the 2011 draft, maybe disregard his no. of INTs b/c his bad team will force him into playing catchup & taking chances.

Mallett: Biggest ??, his transfer from Michigan hurt him in terms of an adequate performance database for NFL scouts. With him in 2009-10 also factor in his tougher SEC defenses faced. Most impressive physical tools of the 3, best team leader though, & I was very impressed with the way he led an undertalented Razorback team from behind vs. highly ranked Florida in the Swamp last season.

Paranoidmoonduck
05-30-2010, 01:38 PM
Luck: More raw talent than the other 2. His NFL pedigree helps him more with an advanced head for the game as a field general than the others as well, playing at an NFL-clone offense like Stanford with a former NFL starting QB as his hc helps that too. Still throws a prettier, more accurate receiver-friendly ball than Mallett or Locker.

It's this stuff that strikes me as hyperbole at this point. More raw talent? I'll buy that, even over Mallett's arm and Locker's athleticism. Luck's release, his footwork, his throws under pressure were, at times, astonishing. But he had far worse moments than I saw either Mallett or Locker have and far less pressure to run that offense than the other two. So while I see the talent as a passer shine through, I'm not sure I can be convinced that we've seen enough from him to start using terms like "advanced head for the game" and "field general". Let's see him play in an offense where the passing game is what defenses prepare for each week. As for the catchable ball things, all three guys are pretty good about getting the ball in a spiral to the wideout. I think Luck could potentially develop the best touch of the three though (Locker and Mallett can lack that in the intermediate game sometimes).

I know most of my posts about Luck have been degrading to the lofty status he has achieved on this site, but I do see what everyone is talking about. At his best last year he had the habit of making you think not of really good quarterback prospects, but of really good NFL quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman. I just know that a lot of people are watching those highlight tapes and not entire games of him, because he did look like a freshman starter on not so rare occasions.

This year will be really telling for him, but right now, based off the 2009 collegiate season, he's not in the same stratosphere as Locker and Mallett.

jnew76
05-30-2010, 08:48 PM
At this point I think that all 3 QB's mentioned need to show improved accuracy this year.

Last Year

Mallett 55.8%
Locker 58.2%
Luck 56.3%

MALLETT

The Good - Has so many tools you cannot teach. Has the strongest arm in college football and can make throws that few QB's in the NFL can make. He has improved his game management skills under Petrino and it is reflected in his 30/7 TD/INT ratio. Mallett will throw the ball away and not give up negative plays and interceptions as much as you would think. Showed improvement over the course of conference play. The SEC game looked too fast for him at the beginning, but Mallett played much better towards the end. Played behind a young and raw O-Line and a lack of experienced WR's, not to mention a below average defense so his overall performance was excellent considering.

The BAD - Mallett's completion percentage is particularly concerning because he plays in the most passer friendly offense. He completed less than 50% of his passes in 5 games last year. I have watched many of his games and there are a few things that are concerning. First, he runs really hot and cold. He does not see the field and read defenses as well as he should IMO. Mallett does not anticipate routes coming open and delivers a lot of balls late. Lacks accuracy at all three levels. He is better on the outside throws than over the middle and misses a lot of crossing routes. Often does not throw to the proper shoulder of the receiver.

Overall - Many of the bad things can and will be overcome with a more experienced and talented team around him. Mallett has the most raw ability as a passer in this class, but needs to become more accurate. He will never be Peyton Manning accurate, but you would like to see him above 60% this year.

NFL Comparison - Joe Flacco

Jake Locker

The GOOD - Tremendous overall athlete who is still learning the passing game. His progression as a passer under Steve Sarkisian has been remarkable, taking a team with no wins in 2008 to a 5-7 record with wins over USC, California, and Arizona. He has great mobility and is a threat to make big plays with his arm and his feet. Locker has excellent natural mechanics and a strong arm. He has improved his accuracy tremendously to all areas of the field. Throws the best deep ball of all three prospects. He has had all this success with inferior talent compared to the rest of the Pac-10. Locker is a natural leader and has great charisma. He is a fiery competitor and plays well in big moments. Gaining a better understanding of the pro-style offense and should be in store for a big year.

The Bad - Accuracy can be erratic. Makes throws that have you scratching your head at times. Still relies on his legs too much. Tries to make something out of nothing too often and will throw late over the middle too much. Locker needs to be quicker in his reads and more precise in his timing with his receivers.

Overall - IMO, Locker is the #1 QB coming into this season. He has a lot of untapped potential combined with excellent skills and strong leadership. Locker should continue to develop mentally and has one of the best teachers of the QB position at the college position in Sarkisian. I am looking for a huge year from Locker as Washington improves their overall talent and he becomes completely comfortable with the offense.

NFL comparison - Rich Gannon

Andrew Luck

The GOOD - Luck excelled as a game manager last year in a run-first offense. Luck was more of a complimentary piece in Stanford's offense than the focus, but he embraced the role and performed pretty well when called upon to step up. Throwing only 4 INT's the entire year kept his team in games and allowed Stanford's running game to control field position and the clock. Luck has a good arm and throws a catchable ball with zip. He has a very polished release and is well schooled in his mechanics and footwork. Luck reads defenses well for a young QB, sees the field well, and anticipates routes coming open.

The BAD - When Luck was bad last year, he was terrible. He looked young and overwhelmed at times. When things started to go bad, Luck had a hard time turning them around. Seemed to lose his confidence at times and got down on himself too much. Luck's footwork and mechanics break down when he loses confidence and his accuracy is poor when this happens. Everything seems rushed and his feet get happy. He makes the routine look impossible when this happens... He can look lost and confused. Is this his youth, or a trend that will continue?

Overall - Will Luck mature as a leader and avoid the "clunker" game? I think he needs 2 more years in college and would benefit greatly from not declaring after this season. Luck has great potential and a great mind for the game, but remains inexperienced with only 12 career games and 288 passing attempts. Look for great improvement in his game as he will be asked to do a lot more this season.

NFL comparison - Eli Manning

DeathbyStat
05-31-2010, 01:56 PM
I went with Quinn, Best pass rusher since Mario Williams.

I like Luck as number 2 but i don't think he will come out

Legend234
06-04-2010, 12:31 PM
I think patrick peterson is overrated. I still think he is good and I realize he is 6'1, but I don't remember people making such a big deal about antonio cromartie and he was 6'3 and could move even better, and made more plays in not even a full season of starting. Again I think peterson is good and I hope he becomes the prospect everyone already thinks he is, I just don't see it when people are making this guy sound like the next charles woodson.

bce
06-04-2010, 09:33 PM
Interesting work. you must have put lots of time into it

Problem i have with luck and locker. neither have produced at a high level. big problem i have with luck is that his father oliver luck, was one of the worst qbs ever.

Baldwin was surely the best of the wrs. the numbers say it all, and as far as hands etc go just watch some of the catches he makes. he had 1100 yds and averaged 20 ypc to 800 yds and 14 ypc for floyd, jones and green. he makes big plays and isnt soft and injury prone like green and jones or calvin johnson. To say he doesnt have superstar hands is opinion not based on fact and to say green or floyd outperformed baldwin is also opinion not based on fact. and he had no advantage as far as scheme as pittsburgh has had bad qbs and has not been a team that likes to put it up much and plays in a pro style offense.plus hes from aliquippa and aliquippa dont miss

Im just not sold on robert quinn. his production doesnt say hes better than romeus or miller. plus he has a back story. hes going to be an interesting guy to watch this year. his production doesnt warrant #1, although his position value does. Its going to be interesting this year whether hes media friendly hype or the real deal

This is a year of running backs. You missed a few. john clay, dion lewis anthony allen outperformed everyone on your board pretty much outside of ingram. i also like ryan williams and jacuizz rodgers.

Robert sands is the best safety by a large margin. big fast physical and some of his interceptions are reminiscent of a wr.

nice work though looks like you put some time into it. I would say only dont make it look so much like mel kipers board. you obviously put work into it, now go beyond the framework of the hype

JFLO
06-04-2010, 09:38 PM
Interesting work. you must have put lots of time into it

Problem i have with luck and locker. neither have produced at a high level. big problem i have with luck is that his father oliver luck, was one of the worst qbs ever.

Baldwin was surely the best of the wrs. the numbers say it all, and as far as hands etc go just watch some of the catches he makes. he had 1100 yds and averaged 20 ypc to 800 yds and 14 ypc for floyd, jones and green. he makes big plays and isnt soft and injury prone like green and jones or calvin johnson. To say he doesnt have superstar hands is opinion not based on fact and to say green or floyd outperformed baldwin is also opinion not based on fact. and he had no advantage as far as scheme as pittsburgh has had bad qbs and has not been a team that likes to put it up much and plays in a pro style offense.plus hes from aliquippa and aliquippa dont miss

Im just not sold on robert quinn. his production doesnt say hes better than romeus or miller. plus he has a back story. hes going to be an interesting guy to watch this year. his production doesnt warrant #1, although his position value does. Its going to be interesting this year whether hes media friendly hype or the real deal

This is a year of running backs. You missed a few. john clay, dion lewis anthony allen outperformed everyone on your board pretty much outside of ingram. i also like ryan williams and jacuizz rodgers.

Robert sands is the best safety by a large margin. big fast physical and some of his interceptions are reminiscent of a wr.

nice work though looks like you put some time into it. I would say only dont make it look so much like mel kipers board. you obviously put work into it, now go beyond the framework of the hype

I didn't look at Mel Kipers board once while making this so yea, you know what your talking about...

bce
06-04-2010, 09:53 PM
it looks a lot like his though. but i see issues with questionable production and position value. There are players at some of the positions that have been more productivethan players you have slotted ahead. i think that this is the deepest rb class since 2008. Im not syaing you looked at it, im just saying it looks a lot like his. Its early and some of these guys surely bear watching, like robert quinn, but their production doesnt match their positioning.