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Ozzy
05-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Early look before the preseason college football magazines come out on the most talented teams in the nation and how they might fair during the season. It was based on the number of quality prospects the team has across the board at each position. Only listed were proven or talented players off of last years teams or highly rated incoming recruits.


* = indicates highly ranked incoming prospects.

Note: This is just an early projection, I do not have up to date depth charts for each team.





1) http://walterfootball.com/college/USC_logo.gif
QB Barkley, Scroggins*
RB Bradford, Gable, Tyler
FB Havili
WR Johnson, Woods*, Ausberry, Butler
TE Grimble*, Ayles
OL O'Dowd, Henderson*, Smith, Lewis
DL Perry, Casey, Tupou, Jackson, Armstead
LB Morgan, Smith, Galippo, Kennard
CB S. Wright, TJ Bryant
S
Extremely talented group overall, if they highly ranked freshman play up to their ranking, they could easily be one of the best offenses in the country now with Barkley having a year under his belt. The defense is not bad either, especially if potential star corners Wright and Bryant play up to their potential.




2) http://walterfootball.com/college/Alabama_logo.gif
QB McElroy, Sims*
RB Ingram, Richardson
FB Dial
WR Jones, Maze
TE Williams, Smelley
OL Carpenter, Vlachos, Fluker
DL Dareus
LB Hightower, Johnson, Upshaw
CB Kirkpatrick, Milliner*
S Barron
Have a lot of talent coming back, will still physically dominate people on offense and run over everyone with Ingram and Richardson. The defense will have to adjust those but if unproven corners Kirkpatrick and Milliner can play up to their ability and dominate, they should be right where they left off as a defense.




3) http://canterburyvillage.com/images/categories/ncaa/Iowa_Hawkeyes.gif
QB Stanzi, Vandenberg
RB Wegher, Robinson
FB
WR McNutt, Johnson-K,
TE Fiedorowicz*
OL Rieff, Ferentz, Vandervelde
DL Clayborn, Binns, Ballard, Klug
LB Hunter, Coleman
CB Bernstine
S Sash, Greenwood
Should be a fine year for Iowa, they have a star quarterback, always have solid offensive line play and have weapons at receiver and running back. The defensive line will flat out dominate potentially and they have solid defensive backs as well.




4) http://www.american-school-search.com/images/small-icon/boise-state-university.gif
QB Moore
RB Avery, Martin, Harper
FB
WR Pettis, Young,
TE Efaw
OL Byrd, Slater
DL Winterswyk
LB Venable, Acrey
CB Thompson
S Iloka, Johnson
Talented team for one, second they play almost no one so they will be up there again this season. Dominating rushing attack with a stable of good backs, Pettis and Young are one of the best receiver tandems in college by far. The defense is solid, especially with solid safeties in IIoka and Johnson coming back.





5) http://canterburyvillage.com/images/categories/ncaa/Texas_Longhorns.gif
QB Gilbert
RB Newton, Whittaker
FB Johnson
WR Chiles, Williams, Kirkendoll, Davis*
TE Buckner
OL Hix
DL Acho, Jeffcoat*, Wilson*
LB Robinson, Hicks*
CB Williams, Brown, Brown
S Gideon, Brewster, Cobbs*
Last year Gilbert gave Texas fans something to be excited about in that championship game. He should lead a very solid Texas offense that has weapons and running back and receiver especially. The offensive line will have to improve but the defensive front will lean heavily on incoming star freshman. If they play up to their ability that outstanding defensive backfield will lead the way for a special defense.





6) http://www.d1collegelacrosse.com/ohiostate/ohio_state_logo.gif
QB Pryor
RB Saine, Herron
FB Boren
WR Posey, Sanzenbacher
TE
OL Boren, Browning, Brewster, Norwell*
DL Heyward, Larimore, Simon
LB Rolle, Homan, Moeller, McVey*
CB Chekwa, Torrence
S Hines
Pryor is the big reason Ohio State is this high, he can do so many things for them. They have a very solid ground game and a very fine offensive line led by star Justin Boren. The defensive line will not be as good as last year but they have the best player from that line coming back in Heyward. The linebackers are very solid led by Rolle and Homan. The defensive backs will have to improve but they do have experienced players back there.




7) http://www.seathound.com/images/teams/ncaaf/logo/florida-gators.gif
QB Brantley
RB Demps, Rainey
FB
WR DeBose, Thompson
TE Christian*
OL Gilbert, Pouncey, Johnson, Hurt
DL Marsh, Trattou, Howard, Sanders, Powell*, Easley*
LB Hicks, Edwards, Jones
CB Jenkins
S Black, Hill
Still a lot of talent on that offensive and defensive line, loaded on both with some very good players. The defensive backs have star players back their so they will be fine and the linebackers are solid. The defense will lead the team, and on offense outside of rushers Demps and Rainey they will depend greatly on the success of DeBose to create plays as a receiver.




8 ) http://www.sportschallengeleague.com/images/college//mia_fl_50.gif
QB Harris
RB Cooper, Berry
FB James
WR Hankerson, Benjamin, Byrd, Johnson
TE
OL Franklin
DL Bailey, Robinson, Forston
LB Spence, McCarthy, Brown
CB Harris, Van Dyke
S Armstrong, Telemaque, Nicholas
They have a star quarterback in Harris and a great group of receivers for him to throw too. The running backs are ok but will have to improve and they will need a lot more from their offensive line if they want to be a good team. On defense they will depend on Bailey to dominate up front and Spence to lead the linebackers. The defensive backs are very talented and if they play up to their potential, watch out.




9) http://www.tickets.cc/ncaa/basketball/images/boston_college_small.gif
QB Shinskie
RB Harris, Haden
FB
WR Momah, Larmond
TE McMichael
OL Costanzo, Claiborne, Goodman, Richman, Lapham
DL Albright, Scafe
LB Herzlich, Kuechly, Morrissey
CB Fletcher, Gause
S
Very solid team overall, best offensive line in the country arguably, Harris will dominate running the ball because of it. Not a star quarterback but he is solid. On defense if Herzlich comes back healthy look out because Kuechly is already a star. Solid corners as well make the potential season for Boston College pretty special.




10) http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images/team_logos/50x50/nebraska_cornhuskers.png
QB Lee
RB Helu, Burkhead
FB
WR Paul
TE McNeill
OL Burkes, Jones
DL Crick, Steinkuhler, Allen
LB Compton, Fisher
CB Amukamara, Dennard
S Gomes, Hagg
Solid group coming back, defense will lead them and anything the offense can give is a plus. If they get a group game and find a consistent back to run the ball taht will help a lot. On defense the front four will be good for sure and the defensive backs are outstanding. If they find and develop a few more talented young players they could be a fine football team.






11) http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images/team_logos/50x50/south_carolina.png
QB Garcia
RB Lattimore*, Miles
FB DiMarco
WR Jeffery, Gurley, Barnes
TE Saunders
OL King, Cann*
DL Matthews, Ajiboye, Taylor,
LB Jeffery, Wilson
CB Gilmore, Auguste Whitlock
S Culliver, Holloman
Could finally break out, they have outstanding young talent in the defensive backfield, some real star players. The defensive line and linebackers are solid. On offense they have a lot of weapons and depending on how good #1 rated RB Lattimore is, that could greatly improve Garcia's play with a solid ground game. Oh and do not forget star receiver Jeffery and the big tight end Saunders. Outstanding recruiting by SC the past two years.





12) http://www.seathound.com/images/teams/ncaaf/logo/clemson-tigers.gif
QB Parker
RB Ellington, Harper
FB
WR Dye, Ashe
TE Allen
OL Walker
DL Bowers, Jenkins, Cumbie
LB Maye
CB Gilchrist, Maxwell
S McDaniel, Hall
Very talented team, star quarterback in Parker with very good running backs that should help take the place of Spiller. The defensive backfield is full of star players potentially, so that will really help them and the defensive line should be very good as well.




13) http://www.tickets.cc/ncaa/basketball/images/unc_small.gif
QB Yates
RB Draughn, Houston
FB Elzy
WR Little
TE Barham
OL
DL Quinn, Austin, McAdoo
LB Sturdivant, Carter,
CB Burney, Brown
S Williams, Searcy
Never seem to live up to expectations, but this year they have a very solid defensive backfield, a lot of good players, fine linebackers and really good defensive lineman. The defense should carry the team and on offense they have a star player in Little, if they get the ground game going more, improve offensive line play and get more out of their quarterback they should be a really good team.




14) http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images/team_logos/50x50/pitt.png
QB Bostick
RB Lewis, Graham
FB Hynoski
WR Baldwin, Shanahan
TE
OL Pinkston
DL Romeus, Sheard, Clemmings*, Caragein
LB Williams, Gruder
CB
S
Should be fine on offense, especially with Lewis running the ball, Baldwin catching the ball and having an experienced quarterback coming back to prove himself in Bostick. The defensive line will dominate again, and the linebackers are solid but they better fine some defensive backs if they want to be elite.




15) http://www.seathound.com/images/teams/ncaaf/logo/lsu-tigers.gif
QB Jefferson, Lee
RB Ridley
FB
WR Toliver, Shepard, Randle
TE
OL Barksdale, Hebert
DL Nevis, Levingston
LB Sheppard
CB Peterson, Eugene
S Loston, Brooks
Quarterback play will mean a lot, but if Jefferson develops watch out. Ridley should be a star at running back and if Shepard develops at receiver he should be a great player. They have a decent offensive line led by Barksdale. On defense they have star defensive backs, especially with Peterson and Loston. The defensive line has ok players, but not as strong as years past.




16) http://www.wildcatsportsreport.com/images/stories/SchoolLogos/stanford%20cardinal.gif
QB Luck
RB Taylor
FB Marecic
WR Owusu, Whalen, Baldwin
TE
OL DeCastro, Martin, Phillips,
DL Keiser
LB
CB Bademosi
S
That offensive line will lead the way and if they find another punishing running to run the ball behind that great offensive line and full back, they will be fine. Luck will carry them a lot way as well, especially with a lot of solid receivers coming back. Defense they need help however, but have star players potentially in Bademosi and Keiser.




17) http://www.gscotthenderson.com/ncaa/logos/MichiganState.gif
QB Cousins, Nichol
RB Caper, Baker, Leggett
FB
WR Dell, Cunningham, Martin
TE Linthicum, Gantt
OL Foreman
DL Gholston*
LB Jones, Gordon
CB Rucker
S Trawick
Very talented receiving group, a lot of targets to throw to for a fine quarterback in Cousins. The running game should be outstanding as well with a very talented group of backs. On defense is where they need help, they have a star in Jones at linebacker but they need more out of the other positions to be an elite team.




18 ) http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images/team_logos/50x50/wisconsin_badgers.png
Wisconsin
QB Tolzien
RB Clay, Ball
FB
WR Toon, Anderson, Gilreath, Jefferson
TE Kendricks
OL Carimi, Moffitt, Oglesby
DL Watt
LB St. Jean
CB Henry
S Valai
Very solid team for them, great running game with Clay and that fine offensive line. Kendricks is a star player as well at tight end and their receiving core is very deep and talented. Tolzien is a solid quarterback as well for them. On defense they have a few ok players but need some stars for them to reach their potential as a team.



19) http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images/team_logos/50x50/ucla.png
QB Prince
RB Franklin
FB
WR Rosario, Embree
TE Pressley
OL Sua-Filo
DL
LB Ayers
CB
S Moore, Dye
Extremely talented team in terms of a few prospects, Moore, Ayers and Sua-Filo are some of the most talented players at their respective positions in the nation. They will carry the team. They have experience at quarterback but need more, some talented pass catches as well with Rosario, Embree and Pressley. They will need to find more talent on defense though for them to really dominate and be a successful team.




20) http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/Images/Logos/florida_state.gif
QB Ponder, Manuel
RB Thomas
FB
WR Forston, Reed, Green*
TE
OL Hudson, Datko, Sanders
DL
LB Bradham, Luc*, Jones*
CB Joyner*, Reid
S
Solid offense coming back, good ground game, experienced and talented offensive line and two fine quarterbacks in Ponder and Manuel. A decent group of receivers as well. On defense they have to improve though and will depend greatly on incoming freshman I believe. If they get anything out of that defense this could be a good team, if not, they will not.

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 12:25 PM
Here is an early list of top position cores around college football.


RB
1) Alabama: Ingram, Richardson, Dial
2) Boise State: Avery, Martin, Harper
3) USC: Bradford, Gable, Tyler, Havili
4) Pitt: Lewis, Graham, Hynoski
5) Penn State: Royster, S. Green
6) Florida: Demps, Rainey
7) Clemson: Ellington, Harper
By far the most talented in Alabama in this group, in terms of depth hard to beat USC but their production is not really there. Penn State should be higher but they do not get as much out of Green as they should.



WR/TE
1) South Carolina: Jeffery, Gurley, Saunders, Barnes
2) Miami FL: Hankerson, Benjamin, Byrd, Johnson
3) USC: Johnson, Woods*, Ausberry, Butler, Grimble*, Ayles
4) Notre Dame: Floyd, Rudolph, Kamara
5) Georgia: AJ Green, T. King, O. Charles, M. Brown
6) Boise State: Pettis, Young, Efaw
7) Texas: Chiles, Williams, Kirkendoll, Davis*
8) Michigan State: Cunningham, Dell, Linthicum, K. Martin, Gantt
Not a really strong list, South Carolina has elite talent with Jeffery, Saunders and Gurley potentially but still up in the air, same with Miami. USC could be higher if their highly ranked players play well.



OL
1) Boston College: Costanzo, Claiborne, Goodman, Richman, Lapham
2) Florida: Gilbert, Pouncey, Johnson, Hurt
3) Georgia: Sturdivant, Glenn, J. Davis, Boling, Jones
4) Ohio State: Boren, Brewster, Norwell*, Browning
5) USC: O'Dowd, Henderson*, Smith, Lewis
6) Stanford: DeCastro, J. Martin, Phillips
7) Wisconsin: Carimi, Moffitt, Oglesby
8) Alabama: Carpenter, Vlachos, Fluker
By far it is Boston College at the top, Florida is quite talented and Georgia surprisingly has a lot of very good players. Very good overall group with a lot of talented offensive lines.



DL
1) Iowa: Clayborn, Binns, Ballard, Klug
2) Pitt: Romeus, Sheard, Clemmings*, Caragein
3) Florida: Marsh, Trattou, Howard, Sanders, Powell*, Easley*
4) USC: Perry, Casey, Tupou, Jackson, Armstead
5) Nebraska: Crick, Steinkuhler, Allen
6) UNC: Quinn, Austin, McAdoo
Iowa at the top by far, then takes a step down, Pitt is good but have to replace some solid defensive tackles. USC could be great but need to be consistent. UNC could be at the top but need to fill spots of two seniors that left.




LB
1) Boston College: Kuechly, Merzlich, Morrissey
2) USC: Morgan, Smith, Galippo, Kennard
3) Alabama: Hightower, Johnson, Upshaw
4) Ohio State: Rolle, Homan, Moeller, McVey*
Not a strong overall group, after BC and USC it takes a little bit of a drop, Alabama is solid but need some young players to greatly improve.



DB
1) Texas: A. Williams, Ch Brown, Cu Brown, Gideon, Brewster, Cobbs*
2) Florida: A. Black, W. Hill, Jenkins
3) Clemson: McDaniel, Hall, Gilchrist, Maxwell
4) LSU: P. Peterson, Eugene, Loston
5) South Carolina: S. Gilmore, Culliver, Auguste, Whitlock, Holloman
6) Miami FL: R. Armstrong, Telemaque, B. Harris, Van Dyke, Nicholas
7) UNC: Burney, D. Williams, Brown, Searcy
8 ) Nebraska: Amukamara, Dennard, Gomes, Hagg
9) Alabama: Kirkpatrick, Milliner*, Barron
10) Boise State: Iloka, J. Johnson, B. Thompson
Great overall collection, Texas is at the top by far however, Florida could be but they need more depth. Clemson is surprisingly talented, especially at safety and LSU have some star players as well, same with SC. Great overall collection and that is a very good sign.



* = indicates highly ranked incoming recruit.

Sniper
05-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Iowa the third-most talented team in the country...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha. They're good as a team, but the sum is greater than the parts. They play well as a team, but in terms of individual talent, they're not top-three.

Michigan State the 16th-most talented team in the country...what...the...****. Ease up on the crack pipe.

ncst8fan83
05-26-2010, 12:44 PM
If Parker is the QB at Clemson this fall then I'll lick a bum's ass crack. Kid is a 1st rounder in the MLB draft this summer without a doubt.

TheRoo
05-26-2010, 12:59 PM
I think Ohio State has the second best stable of RB's in the country.

Herron, Saine, Hall, Berry, Rod Smith, Carlos Hyde

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 01:07 PM
If Parker is the QB at Clemson this fall then I'll lick a bum's ass crack. Kid is a 1st rounder in the MLB draft this summer without a doubt.That is too bad to hear, I am not a fan with regards to talented prospects picking America's Nap time over the American football. ;)

yourfavestoner
05-26-2010, 01:28 PM
7) http://www.seathound.com/images/teams/ncaaf/logo/florida-gators.gif
QB Brantley
RB Demps, Rainey
FB
WR DeBose, Thompson
TE Christian*
OL Gilbert, Pouncey, Johnson, Hurt
DL Marsh, Trattou, Howard, Sanders, Powell*, Easley*
LB Hicks, Edwards, Jones
CB Jenkins
S Black, Hill
Still a lot of talent on that offensive and defensive line, loaded on both with some very good players. The defensive backs have star players back their so they will be fine and the linebackers are solid. The defense will lead the team, and on offense outside of rushers Demps and Rainey they will depend greatly on the success of DeBose to create plays as a receiver.

Defense is definitely not going to lead this team. If anything, I expect it to resemble the 07 team (Tebow's Heisman year) more than anything - explosive offense and very young and average on defense.

With Brantley handling the offense, I expect the running game to start taking a back seat to the passing game. Brantley is a much more talented pure passer than Tebow, so I'm interested to see how Meyer molds his offense to fit around Brantley's talents.

P-L
05-26-2010, 01:34 PM
I highly doubt Kyle Parker is drafted in the 1st round of the MLB Draft this year.

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 01:45 PM
yourfavestoner: Defense is definitely not going to lead this team. If anything, I expect it to resemble the 07 team (Tebow's Heisman year) more than anything - explosive offense and very young and average on defense.

With Brantley handling the offense, I expect the running game to start taking a back seat to the passing game. Brantley is a much more talented pure passer than Tebow, so I'm interested to see how Meyer molds his offense to fit around Brantley's talents.I disagree totally, how could the offense lead this team? Heck they were suspect at times last year with Tebow, and had no real receiving weapons outside of Hernandez and Cooper, now both are gone and all you got flat out is DeBose, that is it unless some other player really steps up they are in big trouble. As for the running game, they lost their best power running back last year with Tebow clearly. So how is that speed game going to work when they have to get the tough yards and make the defense respect that fake draw? They better get a QB that can do what Tebow did because if not that offense will not work the way it did and Demps and Rainey will not be that productive. The offensive line is all that offense has as of right now, if they did not have that OL that offense would be horrible. And again in terms of Rainey and Demps, let us be serious, they are scat backs with no real shot at being a starter in the NFL, they are not Sproles type of backs, they are speed only and do not touch me or I will go down backs. T. Holiday this past year was drafted on speed and return ability, not being a RB, very similar to these two guys potentially. Will see what happens. Maybe I am wrong but I cannot see an NFL team being like, hey let us build our running game around Jeff Demps and or Chris Rainey.

However I do not see how that defense will not be the strength of the team, at least they have weapons coming back and depth and almost each position, along with a few stars. Could argue, outside of that offensive line and DeBose Florida's offense has no stars at all at this point in time based off what they showed last year.

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 01:48 PM
TheRoo: I think Ohio State has the second best stable of RB's in the country.

Herron, Saine, Hall, Berry, Rod Smith, Carlos Hyde
Yeah you can argue that, however Hall, Berry, Smith and Hyde are all unproven players. Saine is very good and Herron is ok, Boren and or Martin can be great full backs as well. But until those last few players you mentioned actually perform, the jury is still out on them and just based off Saine and Herron they are close but Pryor is their best runner more often than not.

Sniper
05-26-2010, 01:48 PM
And again in terms of Rainey and Demps, let us be serious, they are scat backs with no real shot at being a starter in the NFL, they are not Sproles type of backs, they are speed only and do not touch me or I will go down backs. T. Holiday this past year was drafted on speed and return ability, not being a RB, very similar to these two guys potentially. Will see what happens. Maybe I am wrong but I cannot see an NFL team being like, hey let us build our running game around Jeff Demps and or Chris Rainey.

Which has absolutely zero relevance to the college game, furthering the belief that you're a ******* idiot.

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 02:28 PM
Is one sad about a team being left off the list? If Michigan recruited a position outside of quarterback that might help. Warren does not help their overall pedigree however, note his game against Ohio State which apparently was amazing according to one individual, right....

iowatreat54
05-26-2010, 02:32 PM
Nice job, as usual Ozzy.

Iowa should be a good-really good team this year, but overall I don't think they are as talented as you rate them. They are probably tops in the country in DL talent, they have a pretty talented WR corps, and their DBs are pretty good. Other than that, their OL could be good but is unproven (granted, based on potential, they have a lot of "talent") and their RBs will need to improve a lot.

Are you basing this on potential talent, proven talent, or a combo of both? Because like I mentioned, Iowa's OL is going to be very inexperienced but has a lot of potential.

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 02:38 PM
Are you basing this on potential talent, proven talent, or a combo of both? Because like I mentioned, Iowa's OL is going to be very inexperienced but has a lot of potential.It is a little of both. Yes it looks odd but the defensive line is a huge part of being ranked that high, plus the fact they have one of the best safety combos in the nation. Along with that easily one of the best quarterbacks in the country, and a fine backup behind him. Sure their running backs are not great but they are very solid and they have three of them at the least. As for the offensive line, Rieff I think very highly off, one of the best young lineman in the nation, he was better than Bulaga at times last year in my opinion. That is why I consider that offensive line so talented because of him, and I am sure others will develop as well. Overall I think they should have a fine season and will produce in the end more than a few solid NFL players potentially. That DL, Stanzi and Rieff are the difference for them in my opinion.

iowatreat54
05-26-2010, 02:50 PM
It is a little of both. Yes it looks odd but the defensive line is a huge part of being ranked that high, plus the fact they have one of the best safety combos in the nation. Along with that easily one of the best quarterbacks in the country, and a fine backup behind him. Sure their running backs are not great but they are very solid and they have three of them at the least. As for the offensive line, Rieff I think very highly off, one of the best young lineman in the nation, he was better than Bulaga at times last year in my opinion. That is why I consider that offensive line so talented because of him, and I am sure others will develop as well. Overall I think they should have a fine season and will produce in the end more than a few solid NFL players potentially. That DL, Stanzi and Rieff are the difference for them in my opinion.

Thanks for the explanation. I can see where you're coming from, and while it's awesome to see the Hawks that high, even as a fan I don't think they are that talented comparitively. But, I can definitely understand how you put them there.

Really, the OL this year might not be the greatest, but if you take into account the OL we have coming up as Freshman and Sophomores, in 2-3 years we should have a dominant OL. I think our DBs are more or less solid, with Sash being ************* Tyler Sash. Greenwood is pretty good, but benefited in large by having Sash next to him and Spievey shutting off one side of the field. I think he will regress this year nad show that he really isn't all that talented. And our CBs will be solid, with Micah Hyde having the potential to be a super freak at CB. I honestly think WR is our 2nd most talented position behind DL, with McNutt and DJK both expected to have huge years to the tune of at least 700-1000 yards and 8-10 TDs a piece.

If I had to rank our positions, it would be DL, WR, QB, OL, DB, RB, LB, all based on production and potential.

jnew76
05-26-2010, 03:19 PM
Sadly I have to agree that Missouri does not have a single unit that currently stacks up with the best in the country... however, I hope the potential in the Oline and skill positions comes to fruition this year. We return 17 starters and most of the 2-deep, so there is hope.

dannyz
05-26-2010, 03:44 PM
What about Virginia Tech at RunningBack with Williams,Evans,Wilson,. that sould be number 8 at RB.

RealityCheck
05-26-2010, 03:48 PM
LB
1) Boston College: Kuechly, Merzlich, Morrissey
2) USC: Morgan, Smith, Galippo, Kennard
3) Alabama: Hightower, Johnson, Upshaw
4) Ohio State: Rolle, Homan, Moeller, McVey*
Not a strong overall group, after BC and USC it takes a little bit of a drop, Alabama is solid but need some young players to greatly improve.
Carter, Sturdivant and Brown want to know what the hell is going on.

jnew76
05-26-2010, 03:55 PM
Carter, Sturdivant and Brown want to know what the hell is going in.

Ooh, I overlooked that. That is a reality check.

yourfavestoner
05-26-2010, 04:01 PM
I disagree totally, how could the offense lead this team? Heck they were suspect at times last year with Tebow, and had no real receiving weapons outside of Hernandez and Cooper, now both are gone and all you got flat out is DeBose, that is it unless some other player really steps up they are in big trouble. As for the running game, they lost their best power running back last year with Tebow clearly. So how is that speed game going to work when they have to get the tough yards and make the defense respect that fake draw? They better get a QB that can do what Tebow did because if not that offense will not work the way it did and Demps and Rainey will not be that productive. The offensive line is all that offense has as of right now, if they did not have that OL that offense would be horrible. And again in terms of Rainey and Demps, let us be serious, they are scat backs with no real shot at being a starter in the NFL, they are not Sproles type of backs, they are speed only and do not touch me or I will go down backs. T. Holiday this past year was drafted on speed and return ability, not being a RB, very similar to these two guys potentially. Will see what happens. Maybe I am wrong but I cannot see an NFL team being like, hey let us build our running game around Jeff Demps and or Chris Rainey.

However I do not see how that defense will not be the strength of the team, at least they have weapons coming back and depth and almost each position, along with a few stars. Could argue, outside of that offensive line and DeBose Florida's offense has no stars at all at this point in time based off what they showed last year.

I'd say that the offensive line is a great starting place to have stars at when you're reloading.

The passing game struggled last year for a couple of reasons, the main one being Tim Tebow. I said it all the way up to the draft, Tebow regressed every single year as a passer in college, and this problem was exacerbated by Percy Harvin's early departure to the pros.

This year, Debose and Rainey (who has been moved to play more slot WR than RB) actually gives the team some explosiveness out of their passing game this year. Not only that, but I (and most people) expect Brantley to be able to do more than "first read, second read, tuck and run everybody over" like Tebow did. As much as I loved him as a player, TT was really really limited in the types of reads and throws that he was asked to make.
Plus, Meyer has already shown that he can make his system work with a more traditional QB - as he did with Chris Leak. If they rotate a running QB for the option packages, so be it. It worked masterfully the last time they did it.

For every question you pose about the offense, I can pose on the defense. Other than Jenkins and Black, there are no stars. Everybody graduated. And I think it's a lot easier for an offensive line to make new guys' jobs easier than it is for a couple of DBs to cover for what is going to be a very, very, very green front seven.

kwilk103
05-26-2010, 04:06 PM
bostick isnt even gonna be the starting qb for pitt

JHL6719
05-26-2010, 04:09 PM
Bama is 3 deep at tailback with Eddie Lacy....unproven but a very talented back with size, speed, power, and quicks... those close to the program know how good this kid is...

Dre Kirkpatrick is a bona fide stud....book it.... Scott is going to start at the other corner spot as they bring Milliner and some other guys along... the secondary is deep and talented again....though inexperienced...

NC's linebacker unit was the notable omission here as someone already pointed out..... good job I enjoyed reading that...

prock
05-26-2010, 05:11 PM
I always like your posts Ozzy. There are some things I normally disagree with, but I do appreciate the effort.

SickwithIt1010
05-26-2010, 05:30 PM
I highly doubt Kyle Parker is drafted in the 1st round of the MLB Draft this year.

well he sure as hell isnt going to be playing football in the future. His future is in baseball.

But at USC youre forgetting Kyle Prater....who along with Woods is a big time recruit. They were the 1 and 2 WR's in the country.

herkyhawkeye
05-26-2010, 06:40 PM
I agree with the comments about Iowas rbs.

The three of them as a unit are a pretty good unit. We didnt have Hampton last year and our rushing numbers werent spectacular, but the two freshmen rbs who were forced into action did an admirable job. Hampton could have nfl potential but we will have to see how he responds to the acl tear. robinson is a good college back but will not be a nfler. Still up in arms about Wegher. I could see him ending up like a Jake Sharp with few options, but he has a unique skill set that could get him to the league.

I will second iowatreat on the WR corps. DJK and Marvin McNutt have nfl written all over them. I think they are pretty underrated but it doesnt surprise me that they dont ge much notice. the offense they play in does not do much to showcase them like more spread type offenses

Other big ten WRs I think people should take a look at are Nick Toon out of Wisconsin. The description above can fit him well since he plays at Wisconsin but Toon is legit and he has nfl genes.

Indiana has a good pair of WRs as well. Tandon Doss and Demarlo Belcher dont get much credit but i could see both stick in the league

Sniper
05-26-2010, 06:56 PM
Is one sad about a team being left off the list?

No, I'm aware of UM's suckitude. Considering which post you're replying to (the one about UF's RBs), Michigan is nowhere near this discussion, so try to make sense.

If Michigan recruited a position outside of quarterback that might help.

You know what else might help? Having a ******* clue as to what you're talking about.

note his game against Ohio State which apparently was amazing according to one individual, right....

No one ever said it was amazing or "wonderful" for that matter, since I know that's your favorite word ever, considering you use it all the ******* time. Also, considering the fact that Terrelle Pryor threw for 67 yards against Michigan, I'll venture to say that Warren had himself a pretty solid game, especially since DeVier Posey, OSU's No. 1 WR, had a whopping 38 yards.

Seriously...a clue. Get one.

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 08:18 PM
Sniper: Seriously...a clue. Get one.Actually get an opinion. Because outside of Michigan talk and cocky idiot reply posts, you seem to have very little to say more often than not. Cursing and saying I am an idiot is not an opinion of any value.

That would be quite 'wonderful'. For someone that seems to hate anything I put up, you sure do value what I post based off reading and replying to it constantly.






jnew76 Sadly I have to agree that Missouri does not have a single unit that currently stacks up with the best in the country... however, I hope the potential in the Oline and skill positions comes to fruition this year. We return 17 starters and most of the 2-deep, so there is hope.Really, what unit would that be? Because no unit on their team in my opinion has more than one star at that position.


dannyz What about Virginia Tech at RunningBack with Williams,Evans,Wilson,. that sould be number 8 at RB.Good point, considering if Evans comes back well off of his injury. Overall kind of disappointed in the talent Va Tech has coming back, not much to get excited about but then again they lost some good players, wish that defense would get back to form however.



yourfavestoner For every question you pose about the offense, I can pose on the defense. Other than Jenkins and Black, there are no stars. Everybody graduated. And I think it's a lot easier for an offensive line to make new guys' jobs easier than it is for a couple of DBs to cover for what is going to be a very, very, very green front seven.Possible but hard to argue that defensive line is not stacked, if they live up to anything close to what they are hyped to be, but yes on the field production is important, but I would assume their front four will be one of the best groups in the SEC much less the nation. If that is not the case, then yes they might have issues, they have always had solid linebacker play and I think Hicks is a possible star. We will see, clearly your opinion of Brantley is a lot higher than mine. And if Rainey moves to WR, great, because he has no future at RB.



RealityCheck
Carter, Sturdivant and Brown want to know what the hell is going on.They are up there, however my opinion of Carter at the moment, and especially Brown is not all that high, Carter needs to do more than special teams plays blocking kicks, and Brown I would like to see more out of as well. But yes this could be argued.

yourfavestoner
05-26-2010, 08:32 PM
Actually get an opinion. Because outside of Michigan talk and cocky idiot reply posts, you seem to have very little to say more often than not. Cursing and saying I am an idiot is not an opinion of any value.

That would be quite 'wonderful'. For someone that seems to hate anything I put up, you sure do value what I post based off reading and replying to it constantly.






Really, what unit would that be? Because no unit on their team in my opinion has more than one star at that position.


Good point, considering if Evans comes back well off of his injury. Overall kind of disappointed in the talent Va Tech has coming back, not much to get excited about but then again they lost some good players, wish that defense would get back to form however.



Possible but hard to argue that defensive line is not stacked, if they live up to anything close to what they are hyped to be, but yes on the field production is important, but I would assume their front four will be one of the best groups in the SEC much less the nation. If that is not the case, then yes they might have issues, they have always had solid linebacker play and I think Hicks is a possible star. We will see, clearly your opinion of Brantley is a lot higher than mine. And if Rainey moves to WR, great, because he has no future at RB.



They are up there, however my opinion of Carter at the moment, and especially Brown is not all that high, Carter needs to do more than special teams plays blocking kicks, and Brown I would like to see more out of as well. But yes this could be argued.

I agree with Hicks, I thought he was a future star since he went on a tear at the end of 08. They just rotated their OLBs so damn much last year that none of them really made a notable impact or went on a consistent tear down the stretch.

Sniper
05-26-2010, 08:35 PM
Could you please explain the relevance between the NFL future of the Florida RBs and their college impact? I'm still waiting how the fact that their NFL future is limted impacts how they're viewed in college ball. Demps led the SEC in yards per carry by nearly a full yard. Emmanuel Moody was third in the SEC in yards per carry. Rainey was tied for fourth with Dexter McCluster.

1,698 yards and 15 touchdowns at well over six yards per carry between the three. I'd say UF's attack will be fine. Isn't that just wonderful?

yourfavestoner
05-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Could you please explain the relevance between the NFL future of the Florida RBs and their college impact? I'm still waiting how the fact that their NFL future is limted impacts how they're viewed in college ball. Demps led the SEC in yards per carry by nearly a full yard. Emmanuel Moody was third in the SEC in yards per carry. Rainey was tied for fourth with Dexter McCluster.

1,698 yards and 15 touchdowns at well over six yards per carry between the three. I'd say UF's attack will be fine. Isn't that just wonderful?

Very good point about Moody. With Rainey's move to WR/RB hybrid, Moody pretty much becomes their #2 rusher and short yardage back. The major question is whether they can replicate the same type of success without the threat of a running quarterback. I think all those I-formation packages and stuff we've been hearing about every single spring (but never ran with Tebow) finally get busted out this year.

Ozzy
05-26-2010, 09:30 PM
Sniper: Could you please explain the relevance between the NFL future of the Florida RBs and their college impact? I'm still waiting how the fact that their NFL future is limted impacts how they're viewed in college ball. Demps led the SEC in yards per carry by nearly a full yard. Emmanuel Moody was third in the SEC in yards per carry. Rainey was tied for fourth with Dexter McCluster.

1,698 yards and 15 touchdowns at well over six yards per carry between the three. I'd say UF's attack will be fine. Isn't that just wonderful?
Odd because at first you rip Iowa because they are a good college team but supposedly do not have elite NFL talent, now you go to Florida and disregard the NFL talent issue and just look at them as a college team specifically, odd.

As I said before, I feel Tebow was a huge part of their overall success because he got the tough yards which made defense collapse on him and opened up the outside for the fast guys to get in the open. Thunder and lightning much? Now with Tebow gone and no proven short yardage physical runner to draw in the defensive off that draw option QB spot, they should have issues with that.

Production, maybe but I find that their production is part Tebow who is gone, and a major part their offensive line, those Pouncey twins are elite players and were easily some of the best if not the best interior lineman in college last year. Proven this year in the draft with one of them being drafted 1st round by the Steelers.

Put Demps on the Gophers and tell me how great he is as a overall running back, same with Rainey.

I would be surprised if they are that successful this year without Tebow, but time will tell. Defenses can stay wide of them, stay in their gap and if you get a hand on either one of them they will go down, the tough yards will be hard to get for Florida. Hell most would argue Tebow was the best short yardage running back in college last year, considering all running backs or quarterbacks.

Same issue was Damien Anderson years back at Northwestern, he was a big play back but only because of that offense and the threat of the quarterback to run the ball. If the quarterback cannot run the ball, it makes it much harder for running backs that cannot break tackles flat out or make people miss. And I would not consider Rainey or Demps tough physical runners or runners that can make anyone miss in space, it is more straight line speed based off huge holes from the offensive line or from the defense collapsing in on Tebow.


We will all see what happens however, see if they are 'Wonderful' or not.

Ozzy
05-27-2010, 06:54 AM
Very good point about Moody. With Rainey's move to WR/RB hybrid, Moody pretty much becomes their #2 rusher and short yardage back. The major question is whether they can replicate the same type of success without the threat of a running quarterback. I think all those I-formation packages and stuff we've been hearing about every single spring (but never ran with Tebow) finally get busted out this year.Oh really, I guess I did not know he was coming back or could play another year, having him will help a little in short yardage but calling him a tough physical back is exactly correct either. And unless they will do a wildcat with him, the fact he can run inside is meaningless, that is assuming he even can however. Again I feel they need a quarterback that is a major threat to run inside for their offense to work like it did. Then again to say Tebow being gone is an improvement, I can hardly see that, he was the heart and soul of this football team ever since he was a freshman, that kind of leadership and toughness is a lot more important than people think. One could argue he was as good of a coach and motivator as coach Meyer was.

ToldLikeItIs
05-27-2010, 08:42 AM
Fwiw, Prater instead of Bernstine, and Tarpinian instead of Coleman.

Michigan
05-27-2010, 09:05 AM
Is one sad about a team being left off the list? If Michigan recruited a position outside of quarterback that might help. Warren does not help their overall pedigree however, note his game against Ohio State which apparently was amazing according to one individual, right....

Pretty much all Michigan fans have become callous to suckitude and realize that right now we're nothing special.

Ozzy
05-27-2010, 09:24 AM
Pretty much all Michigan fans have become callous to suckitude and realize that right now we're nothing special.
It is too bad really, because if you look at those quarterbacks, all have something worth developing. But seriously, they cannot all play, really surprised Devin Gardner went there, especially with Forcier and how he played last year in big games. Gardner is probably the most talented of them all though and clearly they will play more than one quarterback.

Sad thing is, Denard Robinson should take advice from Russell Shepard and switch to receiver right now. Even though say Robinson went to a different school he would probably be the starting quarterback for three years and actually play.


Other positions are quite weak though, sadly because college football improves when Michigan is good because of the following and tradition they have.

Interested to see how big boy William Campbell develop, hopefully he can become a force, nonetheless Branch and Watson were fine college players and both have not been great forces in the NFL. Always love those big boys though.

Richie needs to stay out of the news, that would help as well, aren't they under investigation right now?


Odd, everyone hated Carr and now he does not look so bad, same with with Glen Mason and the Gophers, what I would not give for that running identity and star running backs again.

gstock05
05-27-2010, 01:05 PM
I'm a BIG OSU homer, but I wouldn't say our runningback stable is one of the best in the Country. I LOVE our underclassmen, but they're not starting right now.

I think Boom is a good college runningback, and I think Saine has a decent future ahead in the pros, but neither are absolute game breakers.


I do disagree with one OSU assessment, OSU's defensive line will actually be much better this year, which is scary considering how good our line was last year.

We lost Thad Gibson who was a good player, but Nathan Williams outplayed him despite getting less snaps. Cameron Heyward is a year older (and still JUST turning 21 as a true senior). Dexter Larimore was seriously underrated last year, and John Simon, much like Nathan Williams outplayed Doug Worthington when he was on the field.

I won't go as far as to say we have the best defensive line in college football this year, but in most years where there aren't lines like Iowa and North Carolina, I would say we would easily take the cake.

gstock05
05-27-2010, 01:07 PM
It is too bad really, because if you look at those quarterbacks, all have something worth developing. But seriously, they cannot all play, really surprised Devin Gardner went there, especially with Forcier and how he played last year in big games. Gardner is probably the most talented of them all though and clearly they will play more than one quarterback.

Sad thing is, Denard Robinson should take advice from Russell Shepard and switch to receiver right now. Even though say Robinson went to a different school he would probably be the starting quarterback for three years and actually play.


Other positions are quite weak though, sadly because college football improves when Michigan is good because of the following and tradition they have.

Interested to see how big boy William Campbell develop, hopefully he can become a force, nonetheless Branch and Watson were fine college players and both have not been great forces in the NFL. Always love those big boys though.

Richie needs to stay out of the news, that would help as well, aren't they under investigation right now?


Odd, everyone hated Carr and now he does not look so bad, same with with Glen Mason and the Gophers, what I would not give for that running identity and star running backs again.


I hate Michigan, but I actually think Denard Robinson will win the Wolverines a lot of games this season. He's the perfect quarterback for RR's system. I hate to say this, but I don't think Michigan's offense will be half bad this year. The problem is, Rich Rod neglects the whole "playing defense" thing, and the 3-3-5 defense with a bunch of midgets just doesn't cut it in a power oriented conference like the Big 10.

Sniper
05-27-2010, 02:53 PM
power oriented conference like the Big 10.

Seriously? This **** again? Let's have a glance at UM's schedule.

Indiana- Spread
Michigan State- I-Form
Iowa- I-Form
Penn State- Spread
Illinois- Spread
Purdue- Spread
Wisconsin- I-Form
Ohio State- Spread

Five spread teams and three traditional, pro-style, I-formation offenses. Power oriented, my ass. This isn't 1943 anymore. Feel free to do research before spouting off generic ********.

yourfavestoner
05-27-2010, 03:25 PM
Seriously? This **** again? Let's have a glance at UM's schedule.

Indiana- Spread
Michigan State- I-Form
Iowa- I-Form
Penn State- Spread
Illinois- Spread
Purdue- Spread
Wisconsin- I-Form
Ohio State- Spread

Five spread teams and three traditional, pro-style, I-formation offenses. Power oriented, my ass. This isn't 1943 anymore. Feel free to do research before spouting off generic ********.

BIG TEN SLOWZZZZZZZ

Sniper
05-27-2010, 03:33 PM
BIG TEN SLOWZZZZZZZ

SEC SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEDZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!! !!ELEVENTYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Texas Homer
05-27-2010, 04:32 PM
I read a "Tweet" from a NFL connected guy that he heard from a Scout that the Scout thinks Texas CB (Jr.) Aaron Williams is a top 10 pick and that Texas has 2 other 2nd Round CBs(Guessing Curtis Brown and Chykie Brown).

I think Texas Sr. CB Curtis Brown will end up going in the 1st, but I thought it was interesting that a Scout said that he thought A. Williams is a top 10 pick and that Texas had 2 other 2nd Round CBs.

I know that is just 1 scout's opinion, but I'm just saying.....

Anyway, watch out for Texas (Jr.) DT Kheeston Randall as well. He is a Big Dude that can move.

LizardState
05-27-2010, 08:13 PM
I didnt see Penn St, last I looked they had a top 10 recruiting class.

With Brantley handling the offense, I expect the running game to start taking a back seat to the passing game. Brantley is a much more talented pure passer than Tebow, so I'm interested to see how Meyer molds his offense to fit around Brantley's talents.

Dre Kirkpatrick is a bona fide stud....book it.... Scott is going to start at the other corner spot as they bring Milliner and some other guys along... the secondary is deep and talented again....though inexperienced...

Just thinking about Bama playing Penn St. & Florida in September, Brantley & Meyer will see freshman Dre Kirkpatrick & take shots at him, the Nittany Lions too, that kid is going to get the drink from the firehose.

Both those games the Tide has at home & s/b well worth watching. Meyer needs to build a pocket for Brantley for him to be effective as he was in relief of Tebow last yr. The Tide's running game & defense gives them the edge, Florida & Penn St. & Alabama too all sent a lot of talent to the NFL but seem to have reloaded on defense with top-ranked classes.

TheRoo
05-27-2010, 09:49 PM
Seriously? This **** again? Let's have a glance at UM's schedule.

Indiana- Spread
Michigan State- I-Form
Iowa- I-Form
Penn State- Spread
Illinois- Spread
Purdue- Spread
Wisconsin- I-Form
Ohio State- Spread

Five spread teams and three traditional, pro-style, I-formation offenses. Power oriented, my ass. This isn't 1943 anymore. Feel free to do research before spouting off generic ********.



LOL.


When did OSU or PSU start running the spread?


Do you even know what it means to run the spread?

gstock05
05-28-2010, 12:48 AM
SEC SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEDZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!! !!ELEVENTYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when did you become such a dbag?

Look, regardless of whether we run the "spread" or not, the Big 10 is still known for it's big linemen, and regardless of whether the majority of teams run, the fact is, the top teams still run a run heavy offense. By the way, PSU, Iowa, OSU, Wisconsin... aka the top 4 teams in the conference, each of these teams strengths is on their offensive and defensive lines.

So look, if you want to be a typical michigan snob, please, go ahead, and post on 900 message boards like you do, and give negative reps like you already do. If you want to accuse me of being an SEC homer, then I really have no idea of what you're smoking. If you really think i'm saying that the Big 10 is slow because it's a power conference, then you're delusional, as i'd say the same thing about the SEC. The fact is, all the "good" teams in the Big 10 have powerful offenses that have big strong athletes on their lines that run the ball through the others. And if you're trying to put small michigan players vs. that, then good luck, but it's not going to fare any better than the other years in which Michigan has put undersized recruits on their line vs. big 10 competition.

Sniper
05-28-2010, 08:22 AM
LOL.


When did OSU or PSU start running the spread?

Are you ******* kidding me? Have you not watched either of those teams play the past two years? Granted, Ohio State is a hybrid of both, but yeah, perhaps watch a game.

Do you even know what it means to run the spread?

Yeah, I do.

http://holdintherope.blogspot.com/

That's not a spread offense? K. Also, I re-watched this game last night. No player has ever received more hype for throwing to wide open receivers with corners in the parking lot than Pryor did for this game.

Admittedly, the back-shoulder fade to Posey was TEH SEXZ.

Sniper
05-28-2010, 08:31 AM
Since when did you become such a dbag?

When you started posting ******** stuff.

If you want to accuse me of being an SEC homer, then I really have no idea of what you're smoking.

What the ****?

And if you're trying to put small michigan players vs. that, then good luck, but it's not going to fare any better than the other years in which Michigan has put undersized recruits on their line vs. big 10 competition.

Michigan hasn't lost because of size over the past two years. They've lost because they're just not good enough. Steven Threet was 6'5", 230 pounds. Your typical UM QB of the past. However, he couldn't complete a swing pass to a slot receiver, let alone anything over ten yards downfield. Stevie Brown was a 6'2", 210-pound safety. Scouts drool over that kind of size for a safety...problem was, he was never, you know, good at safety, whether it was for Lloyd Carr or Rich Rodriguez. Jonas Mouton is 6'2", 230 pounds at WLB. Ideal size for a college WLB, no? Problem is that when you don't know what the **** you're doing, size doesn't matter. Obi Ezeh is 6'2", 240, but he's not any good. Our undersized defenders were the best players on last year's defense. Graham was considered undersized, Martin is undersized for a nose, and RVB is undersized for the DT spot in the 3-4/3-3-5, but they outplayed the prototypical-sized defenders. Craig Roh, a 6'5", 230-pound true freshman OLB, was our best OLB and that was after playing DE in HS.

Yeah, size was the difference. :rolleyes:

Michigan
05-28-2010, 08:47 AM
So look, if you want to be a typical michigan snob, please, go ahead, and post on 900 message boards like you do, and give negative reps like you already do. If you want to accuse me of being an SEC homer, then I really have no idea of what you're smoking.

Care to explain what a "typical michigan snob" is?

And when did Sniper ever accuse you of being an SEC homer?

Ozzy
05-28-2010, 10:55 AM
It will be interesting to see how the SEC and the Big Ten do this year.

SEC I always agreed have the best fans, stadiums, tradition and athletes.


However this year might be a little down year unless some teams have really developed players or have some great players coming in.

Florida will be solid but Georgia who knows with that quarterback situation, awesome offensive line will help but that defense is a mess, and they must get a quarterback. South Carolina will benefit from a down year and should have a great season with all the talent they have coming back. Tennessee, I do not expect much out of them at all, who knows but not many stars returning. Kentucky is nothing to be scared about and neither is Vandy. Then again Cobb on Kentucky could make things interesting. Ole Miss I doubt will be that good, considering all they lost and they were average at best last year. LSU could be great but all depends on how Jefferson develops as a quarterback, and they did lose a lot on their defensive line and linebacker core. Alabama will be great again and Auburn and or Arkansas could be good but Auburn especially needs to show a little more on defense and show some consistency. Arkansas has Mallett but like last year not much else, he could carry the team to be really good however. And Miss State is nothing to be scared off either.


Big Ten on the other hand, Iowa will be very good, so will Ohio State. Wisconsin will be damn solid again and Penn State should be good but will really have to find a quarterback. Michigan State should be a fine team as well. Michigan will be ok and are in a better situation than say Illinois, they are a mess. Indiana and Purdue are nothing great either and Minnesota hopefully can do something with Weber back but there is not much to get excited about at any position they have. Northwestern will have a transition year as well probably.


Nonetheless, the teams at the top Ohio State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Penn State are collectively probably more stronger than the SEC with Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, LSU and Georgia. A lot will depend on how the likes of LSU, South Carolina and Georgia play, if they are above what they are supposed to be the SEC will still be the tops but if the likes of Michigan State, Penn State and Wisconsin play up to their potential the Big Ten will have a good collection of football teams with a lot of returning talent.


All though, if you look at each conference bottom feeders, Big Ten being Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois and Northwestern. Compared to the SEC bottom feeders in Tennessee, Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss State and Auburn it would be hard to believe that the Big Ten is better than those SEC teams, because they just simply are not.

So overall SEC is probably still the top, in terms of overall top to bottom talent of each team. However the Big Ten this year, at the top might be a little stronger collectively considering those top five teams.

Will have to wait and see what new players can develop and what the freshman can do as well. Say Auburn gets an elite player on offense or defense that could change their team a lot, or say Michigan gets a star running back.

Ozzy
05-28-2010, 11:38 AM
gstock05: We lost Thad Gibson who was a good player, but Nathan Williams outplayed him despite getting less snaps. Cameron Heyward is a year older (and still JUST turning 21 as a true senior). Dexter Larimore was seriously underrated last year, and John Simon, much like Nathan Williams outplayed Doug Worthington when he was on the field. I never saw that being the case, I think it will be very hard for them to replace Gibson, he had an outstanding season. Williams never really showed up for them all that much in the games I saw him. However his supposed success could have been the fact he had such talent around him to take pressure off him, a lot different being the main guy that teams focus on in blocking, and that was Gibson. But however like I said the most talented player Heyward is back but I think the loss of Worthington, Wilson, Gibson and Rose will be an issue. Will see, I was impressed with Simon as well but Lairmore I was never that high on. Will see what happens, but I would be really really surprised if they are a better defensive line than they were last year.

herkyhawkeye
05-28-2010, 11:49 PM
Ozzy, you are crazy if you think the SEC has the best tradition. The big ten was a middle aged man(37 years old) when the SEC was formed.

The claims of best fans and stadiums is also very much debatable.

Athletes I would agree with but the SEC plays with a different set of rules when it comes to recruiting and admissions. Did you know from 2006-2010, the avg SEC team signed 104 players. The avg big ten team signed 87. The big ten is by no means lacking in terms of football players though. The NFL can attest to this.

The SEC is the top dog in football currently and no one is denying this But did you know since the 2002 football season the big ten is 11-10 versus the SEC in bowl games. Every year it seems the 2 conference split their matchups.

So is it style of play or actual team speed? Lets see how the Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa matchup to the SEC. They after all, are the three teams most known for being slow and plodding

These three teams during that time period were 7-4 against the SEC.

The idea of SEC speed is overexagerrated. The big tens style of play ls not a spread the field type of offense that showcases individuals but rather the team. When Iowa faced Florida,LSU, and South Carolina, they certainly did not look like a slower team. They actually enforced their will in 3 of the 4 games. You see overly athletic, i see fundamentally unsound, out of positioned, ill disciplined players, otherwise, that SEC speed should have run all over those slow, plodding big ten teams.

The perception is the big ten hasnt been able to compete with the SEC, but in all honesty, it was the big games with all the eyes on the prize(Ohio State) that have led to this perception. The big tens #2-#11 have more than held their own against the SEC's #2-#12. The big ten definitely has been missing the elite power team though. I actually feel somewhat bad for Ohio State vs. SEC debate. They got good teams it just hasnt worked out for them.

I actually think the big ten could be pretty good.
Everyone knows about tOSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, and PSU, but the middle tier teams are actually pretty good

Purdue went 5-7 last year but was formidable. They beat the buckeye and if not for shooting themsleves in the foot @ Oregon, could have easily won in Eugene.

Michigan State was 6-7 but was on the short end of many close games. They competed quite well against TTU in the Alamo bowl despite missing 14 scholarship athletes from suspension alone.

Michigan. People may call me crazy but they were 4-1 in their first 5 games of the season with the one loss in OT to rival MSU. They played Iowa very tough. They were very, very young and those two close losses really derailed their season.

Northwestern is a good team and played Auburn pretty tight in the bowl game last season.

and FWIW, Sniper is actually correct. Only a few teams in conference play the traditional pro style offense. Even these teams play out of the shotgun, 3-4 WRs frequently. To casual observers, they only see the traditional pro style offense though

/rant

BuckeyeDan17
05-29-2010, 12:29 PM
LOL at Robert Rose's departure being an issue.


He is one of the bigger flops under Tressel. **** him, frees a spot for someone that can actually produce. Can't wait for Nathan Williams to start, and yes... you will see.

Sniper
05-29-2010, 02:32 PM
LOL at Robert Rose's departure being an issue.


He is one of the bigger flops under Tressel. **** him, frees a spot for someone that can actually produce. Can't wait for Nathan Williams to start, and yes... you will see.

Williams is really good. He's kind of an unfinished product right now, but he's got loads of potential as long as you keep him away from T-shirts in department stores.

gstock05
05-29-2010, 04:28 PM
I never saw that being the case, I think it will be very hard for them to replace Gibson, he had an outstanding season. Williams never really showed up for them all that much in the games I saw him. However his supposed success could have been the fact he had such talent around him to take pressure off him, a lot different being the main guy that teams focus on in blocking, and that was Gibson. But however like I said the most talented player Heyward is back but I think the loss of Worthington, Wilson, Gibson and Rose will be an issue. Will see, I was impressed with Simon as well but Lairmore I was never that high on. Will see what happens, but I would be really really surprised if they are a better defensive line than they were last year.

I can understand where you're coming from. But take this as a note, our defensive coordinator Jim Heacock who is one of the best in all of college football, and has been around OSU since the mid 1990's mentioned in a spring presser that this year's defensive line would be the best we've ever had since he's been there.

That's not only saying it's better than last year, but also better than the 2001/2002 team with Will Smith that dominated games. I know talk is just that... talk, but Heacock, or just OSU coaches in general typically don't ever say something like that, so I actually put credit in it.


As for my comments earlier, I apologize for the personal attack on Michigan fans (don't hate me, i'm an OSU alum and fan all, life, I don't feel too bad about it). I know Sniper didn't call me an SEC homer, but the whole "you think the big 10 is all slow" I guess I was kind of assuming me thinking that the SEC/South is all fast, and the Midwest is all slow.

But to totally say that the Big 10 isn't at it's roots still a power conference, it's stupid. Running a spread offense doesn't make you not a power conference. PSU and OSU both run hybrid spread offenses, but most people could still argue that they're power and run oriented more than anything else.


I don't understand why you had to come on with the personal attack calling it complete BS to think that a big 10 school may be power oriented. FWIW, being power oriented =/= being slow. Just means that the style of play is different. Look at Wisconsin Miami last year, Wisconsin was clearly the faster team, but also played a power style of game.



As for my typical "Michigan snob" well... it's just the stereotype. Don't play ignorance, OSU fans are always known as the party hardy drunken idiots, while the Michigan fans are stereotyped as the snobby "Harvard of the Midwest" type group. Both are partially true, and I'll admit that as an OSU alum/fan. Shouldn't have said it, but I got in from a bar and was annoyed by the comment. The fact that i'm getting negative rep for that on a message board is kind of funny, but apparently some people take message board reputation a lot more seriously than I do?

phlysac
05-29-2010, 05:15 PM
14) http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images/team_logos/50x50/pitt.png
QB Bostick
RB Lewis, Graham
FB Hynoski
WR Baldwin, Shanahan
TE
OL Pinkston
DL Romeus, Sheard, Clemmings*, Caragein
LB Williams, Gruder
CB
S
Should be fine on offense, especially with Lewis running the ball, Baldwin catching the ball and having an experienced quarterback coming back to prove himself in Bostick. The defensive line will dominate again, and the linebackers are solid but they better fine some defensive backs if they want to be elite.


Great write-up.

Just some more info regarding Pitt...

QB - Tino Sunseri will be the starter.
DL - TJ Clemmings will likely not see much time. I'm not sure if he'll red-shirt. Shayne Hale will finally see some action behind Greg Romeus.
LB - You can't forget Dan Mason who is an absolute animal.

The DBs are the weakspot. It will be interesting to see if former 4-Start WR recruit Todd Thomas will make the transition to Safety.

Also, 4-Star DL recruit Jack Lippert has transitioned to Center and will contend to start in 2011.

wicket
05-29-2010, 05:35 PM
Notre dame is more talented than a few of the teams you have out there iyam.

ToldLikeItIs
05-29-2010, 06:01 PM
Iowa keeps getting love anywhere from 2-5 nationally..

BamaFalcon59
05-29-2010, 06:53 PM
Not impressed with the list, although it looks like you put in work.

That is outside of leaving VT off the list, although not having them as one of the top two RB units in the nation just shows ignorance.

Cigaro
05-29-2010, 07:03 PM
If Parker is the QB at Clemson this fall then I'll lick a bum's ass crack. Kid is a 1st rounder in the MLB draft this summer without a doubt.

Haha no. Although if I had to pick, I would say he'll leave for the pros, but its basically a 50/50.

RealityCheck
05-29-2010, 07:05 PM
Notre dame is more talented than a few of the teams you have out there iyam.
Sure, they got Floyd, Rudolph, Te'o...

...and nobody else.

BamaFalcon59
05-29-2010, 07:08 PM
Sure, they got Floyd, Rudolph, Te'o...

...and nobody else.

Crist!

.....

Sniper
05-29-2010, 08:04 PM
Sure, they got Floyd, Rudolph, Te'o...

...and nobody else.

And Darius Fleming!

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0912/ncf_u_forcier12_576.jpg

LOL, just kidding.

Ozzy
05-30-2010, 07:59 AM
gstock05 I can understand where you're coming from. But take this as a note, our defensive coordinator Jim Heacock who is one of the best in all of college football, and has been around OSU since the mid 1990's mentioned in a spring presser that this year's defensive line would be the best we've ever had since he's been there.I also understand where you are coming from, I also know that coaches say that almost every other year, this is the such and such best group we have ever had. Mickey Andrews said last year was one of his fastest defensive groups ever, yeah that was total reality right? hahaha I think sometimes coaches say that because they want to give a group confidence that have none. And also depends on what coach is saying it as well.



herkyhawkeye Ozzy, you are crazy if you think the SEC has the best tradition. The big ten was a middle aged man(37 years old) when the SEC was formed.True, maybe I used the wrong word, instead of tradition how about the best fan base and pre game attractions anywhere. Hell in most of the colleges they dress in suits and or dresses to go to the game. Do not see that anywhere else. The fans in the SEC are just the best and are rabid football fans.



phlysac
QB - Tino Sunseri will be the starter.That may be but I still bet the experienced quarterback will get a shot, kind of forget who the hyped future starting quarterback was on that team however. Regardless they will miss those tight ends probably more than they will miss Stull next season. And yes that defensive backfield is a big problem, could really keep them from being elite.




wicket Notre dame is more talented than a few of the teams you have out there iyam.Maybe, but the fact on defense they have no one outside of Teo, that is kind of sad. Offensively have two of the best skill players in Floyd and Rudolph but that is it, the quarterback is obviously not proven, the running backs are kind of overrated and the offensive line is average. So yes they have two stars but who are these other great players? Because I did not notice them last year. Will see what happens, maybe it was just bad coaching but more like it bad recruiting of overall depth and talent top to bottom. Maybe that will change with people they bring in?



BamaFalcon59 Not impressed with the list, although it looks like you put in work.

That is outside of leaving VT off the list, although not having them as one of the top two RB units in the nation just shows ignorance.Clearly being a Virginia Tech fan, if there is an issue with them not being on the list, I would love to see the explanation of their talent level. To be honest, the receivers almost always under achieve and the defense seems to be getting more average every year with less great players on it. Might be different but seems to me they had much better teams in the late 90's. But yeah it is not perfect, just an early projection based off of players I was following off of last year along with a few manageable starters to indicate a certain depth on the roster.

wicket
05-30-2010, 08:16 AM
Maybe, but the fact on defense they have no one outside of Teo, that is kind of sad. Offensively have two of the best skill players in Floyd and Rudolph but that is it, the quarterback is obviously not proven, the running backs are kind of overrated and the offensive line is average. So yes they have two stars but who are these other great players? Because I did not notice them last year. Will see what happens, maybe it was just bad coaching but more like it bad recruiting of overall depth and talent top to bottom. Maybe that will change with people they bring in?

obviously mainly the defense has not played up to the talent level but brian smith and ethan johnson are both very talented for instance, same can be said for large parts of the OLine and even though the qb is unproven he is a former 5* kid so talent is there as well.

Im not saying they will play up to that talent yet but purely based on talent ND has one of the better teams around.

BamaFalcon59
05-30-2010, 09:19 AM
Clearly being a Virginia Tech fan, if there is an issue with them not being on the list, I would love to see the explanation of their talent level. To be honest, the receivers almost always under achieve and the defense seems to be getting more average every year with less great players on it. Might be different but seems to me they had much better teams in the late 90's. But yeah it is not perfect, just an early projection based off of players I was following off of last year along with a few manageable starters to indicate a certain depth on the roster.

You really, really do have no idea what you are talking about.

You didn't argue the RB point, which is good because it's not very debatable. RW had over 1,600 yards and over 20 touchdowns last season, and is in many people's minds the top runningback prospect next season. Darren Evans is coming back from knee surgery, he wrote ACC freshman records a year before RW smashed them. He has good size at 6'0" 220, and at the least should be a good goal line back. His straight line speed is probably just behind RW's, but he lacks the foot speed and acceleration to be as explosive. Josh Oglesby probably won't be much of a prospect, but he'll get a look. Good size, decent speed, extremely strong, great blocker and a great receiver. Lacks much creativity in his runs, but he does what he does. David Wilson was a top 40 player nationally when he came out of Glenville, and he will be a major prospect. He could redshirt this season due to our outstanding depth. 5'10" 200 right now and he ran the second fastest 40 on the team. Also extremely strong. Great one cut and go runner, also has receiving ability. And then there is Tony Gregory, who is about 6'0" 195 and ran the third fastest 40 on the team and had one of the best Spring sessions on the team.

The receivers almost always seem to underachieve? We've had two sets of receivers over the past seven years, counting this one. We have three receivers going into their third year starting. Two of them averaged over 20 yards a reception, one was at ~17 yards. Jarrett Boykin, 6'2" 210, had 40 receptions for over 800 yards last season in an extremely run oriented offense. He is a big body who can get down field and make a play on the ball. Danny Coale, 6'0 210, had 30 receptions for over 600 yards, runs the best routes on the team, and has outstanding hands. Then there is good ole' Dyrell Roberts, 6'2" 195, who wasn't as productive receiving (22 for 390), but again this is an offense predicated on the run. He's going into his third year playing wide receiver and is a beast with the ball in his hands; his kick return ability alone will get him looks from the league.

That's just the top three. The fourth guy, Marcus Davis, is the best athlete on the team. Not sure if he'll get it together, but for talents sake he is a monster. He is 6'4" 235 and I'll guess he runs a 4.55 at the combine. He ran the fastest ten yard dash on the team two seasons ago and has outstanding leaping ability, along with amazing quickness for his size. I'm hoping he pulls it together, as he has top-notch potential.

The defense? Wow... We've had a top fifteen defense like six years running. Last year was, by far, our lowest ranking since 2003. We finished fourteenth. Seventh in 2008. Fifth in 2007. We had the number one defense nationally in 2005 and 2006. And then fourth in 2004.

So yes, that comment makes little to no sense.

As for individual players on the defense, there are a few but for the most part we are young. The top NFL guys this year are likely to be Rock Carmichael, a 5'11" 190 CB who ran the fastest 40 on the team last season while racking up six interceptions, and John Graves, a 6'3" 285 pound defensive tackle who was injured last season but is a beast on the field.

Steven Friday (DE) and Devon Morgan (S) are the other starting seniors on the defense.

I won't go into detail on the rest of the offense, but Tyrod Taylor should get drafted, particularly if he improves by the same margin he did during his junior season. Blake DeCristopher is a junior OT going into his third year starting, good RT or OG prospect. Beau Warren might have a shot as a C. Ditto for Jaymes Brooks at OG. Greg Nosal is a versatile guy who has a chance to show out this season. And Nick Becton, a sophomore left tackle, has a chance to be very special with his size and natural athleticism (long time basketball player, hasn't played football for long).

Not going to go into the younger guys who are a year or two away.

Sniper
05-30-2010, 09:20 AM
Mickey Andrews said last year was one of his fastest defensive groups ever, yeah that was total reality right?

He said fastest, not best. Unfortunately for FSU, being fast is only part of the battle.

herkyhawkeye
05-30-2010, 01:44 PM
"True, maybe I used the wrong word, instead of tradition how about the best fan base and pre game attractions anywhere. Hell in most of the colleges they dress in suits and or dresses to go to the game. Do not see that anywhere else. The fans in the SEC are just the best and are rabid football fans."

So because the fans dress in suits and dresses(not even in school apparel), they are better fans? That logic is incredibly flawed. I guess Virginia has great fans too because they do the exact same thing. FWIW, virginia has incredibly fickle fans.

I would think fanbases that wear their colors, jerseys, shirts would be more representative of fans than hoardes of people who show up looking like that for the social event.

The SEC has great fans. No doubt about that. Are they some of the best fans in the country? you betcha. Are they the best? Tough call.

You know that the best fans in the country reside in the big 12. The Nebraska Cornhuskers have soldout every game at memorial stadium since 1962. No one else can even touch that.

I can throw out tv ratings for the big ten, bowl turnouts, alumni bases,etc.

You know that SEC contract that they made with the Disney family of networks(ABC/ESPN) that was monumental? Do you know who they first approached with that deal? It sure wasnt the SEC.

I can go into great detail about pre game traditions as well if you want. Dotting of the I, The michigan banner, the swarm, the boilermaker special, white out,etc. Playing in stadiums that were large when they were built. Many of the big ten stadiums were huge when they opened in the 20's 30's and still resemble many of the original features. The SEC stadiums are full of erector sets that gradually grew. Look at the original capacities of some of those stadiums they were tiny when opened and have no resemblance of the original structure

Pregame traditions? The SEC plays night games so its tough to compaare but tailgating in the big ten starts at 6am gameday. regardless if its a 11 am or 7pm start.

Ozzy
05-30-2010, 10:28 PM
BamaFalcon59 that is cool you know your team and follow your team, but you go into said detail about 40 other schools. Surprising how one can gain perspective. But yes who knows, maybe it is just those gosh awful orange shoulder white jerseys they wear around ;o)

Anyway, will see how they finish this season, maybe I under estimate them. But personally I would much rather see the more blue collar, "lunch pail" football team with elite athletes especially on defense. And I never followed statistical rankings of defenses because those can be inflated by player certain below average competition. I was more impressed with in game performance and speed on the field. Honestly have never looked at team statistical rankings of defenses, just who they have at each position I guess is what I find to be more important.

They always seem to have all the hype in the world does Va Tech, but never reach that point of being elite. And winning the ACC is far from being an outstanding accomplishment it seems.

Will wait and see what happens.




herkyhawkeye you have a point, I guess personally I would much rather watch a SEC game on television any day over any other conference around. And yes because of the reasons I listed among others. Just seems much more intense, exciting and just more fun to watch all the way around. Maybe it is just me though... Just something natural about the good ole south and college football!



Sniper He said fastest, not best. Unfortunately for FSU, being fast is only part of the battle.True, I was shocked last year when I heard that, I was like what? This defense is full of trash, it was just awful. And in terms of game speed, that defense was NOT fast, Jamie Robinson at safety, and some of those corners, give me a break.

ncst8fan83
06-08-2010, 03:26 PM
Haha no. Although if I had to pick, I would say he'll leave for the pros, but its basically a 50/50.


Just wanted to say told ya so to Cigaro and P-L. Parker would be an idiot to turn down 1st round money to play football at Clemson. He's gonna be a beast on the diamond!

As a side note, why does Colorado like picking quarterbacks so much? Parker and Russell Wilson within the first 4 rounds this year? Todd Helton and Seth Smith previously. What is their fascination?

BamaFalcon59
06-08-2010, 03:48 PM
BamaFalcon59 that is cool you know your team and follow your team, but you go into said detail about 40 other schools. Surprising how one can gain perspective. But yes who knows, maybe it is just those gosh awful orange shoulder white jerseys they wear around ;o)

Anyway, will see how they finish this season, maybe I under estimate them. But personally I would much rather see the more blue collar, "lunch pail" football team with elite athletes especially on defense. And I never followed statistical rankings of defenses because those can be inflated by player certain below average competition. I was more impressed with in game performance and speed on the field. Honestly have never looked at team statistical rankings of defenses, just who they have at each position I guess is what I find to be more important.

They always seem to have all the hype in the world does Va Tech, but never reach that point of being elite. And winning the ACC is far from being an outstanding accomplishment it seems.

Will wait and see what happens.


You bypassed everything I said. Everything I said was valid, going into details on other schools won't change the numbers our wide outs put up in a offense that passes 40% of the time, our RBs breaking ACC records back to back years, top defenses year after year, etc. etc.

And we aren't a top 25 team in talent, despite being one of only two teams, along with Texas, to have had at least ten wins every season in the past six years.

But okay.

bce
06-08-2010, 04:04 PM
Watch out for Pitt. If they can get a slight improvement at the qb position from tino suseri, They could run the table and would be a better matchup for the eventual opponent the sec champion. Their offense is loaded with future nfl picks and the defense has been the strong point the last few years and looks strong again. Theyre the type of team that can go smashmouth head to head with the sec cham as opposed to the finesse groups that the big 12 generally throws out as the fodder. The big east schedule is not looking daunting and they are the class of the league, so a run of the table isnt out of the question. All they need is one power conference loss from everywhere outside the sec and they can play for it. They have as much first 22 talent as anyone out there.

Cigaro
06-13-2010, 11:39 AM
Just wanted to say told ya so to Cigaro and P-L. Parker would be an idiot to turn down 1st round money to play football at Clemson. He's gonna be a beast on the diamond!

As a side note, why does Colorado like picking quarterbacks so much? Parker and Russell Wilson within the first 4 rounds this year? Todd Helton and Seth Smith previously. What is their fascination?


Yep, I was wrong. Definitely didn't expect it. Guy would be insane to turn down the pros, especially considering while Clemson isn't 'rebuilding', they shouldn't be as good as they were last year even with him.

P-L
06-13-2010, 11:44 AM
Yeah, I'll admit I was wrong too but I was just playing the odds. Colorado was the only team who showed any interest in drafting Parker in the 1st Round and I thought that they'd opt to go another direction. Whoops.