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J-Mike88
05-31-2010, 11:16 PM
It's NEVER too early to look ahead.

I don't like hearing and reading these projections by people like Peter King that says the Packers could be like 6-1 or something gaudy like that when we face/off with the evil purple.

I especially don't like it because I think our opening game is very tough and is very losable. We've had a lot of nightmares in the city of Brotherly Hate, and for any of you guys going to that game, wear body armor and pack some weapon. Those fans are prix.

I think we catch a break getting Kevin Kolb in his first start after McNabb because if he gets off to a bad start, those fans will shower him with boos. Not booze. Boos.

No McNabb. No Westbrook. No Brian Dawkins. No Terrell Owens. Those guys haunted us before.

Now we have to watch out for DeSean Jackson and Brandon Graham.

Packers 27
Eagles 20

Woodson opens the season with a Pick-6 in defense of his DPOY.

EvilMonkey
06-01-2010, 06:22 AM
It's NEVER too early to look ahead.

wrong, too early.

eaglesalltheway
06-01-2010, 07:36 AM
It's NEVER too early to look ahead.

I don't like hearing and reading these projections by people like Peter King that says the Packers could be like 6-1 or something gaudy like that when we face/off with the evil purple.

I especially don't like it because I think our opening game is very tough and is very losable. We've had a lot of nightmares in the city of Brotherly Hate, and for any of you guys going to that game, wear body armor and pack some weapon. Those fans are prix.

I think we catch a break getting Kevin Kolb in his first start after McNabb because if he gets off to a bad start, those fans will shower him with boos. Not booze. Boos.

No McNabb. No Westbrook. No Brian Dawkins. No Terrell Owens. Those guys haunted us before.

Now we have to watch out for DeSean Jackson and Brandon Graham.

Packers 27
Eagles 20

Woodson opens the season with a Pick-6 in defense of his DPOY.

Thanks dude...


As for the game, I do think it'll be close if both teams come in fairly healthy. If injuries ravage either team like they did the Eagles last year, don't count on a close matchup. After that, there really in't much point in predicting this game at this point, as it is too early. I'd at least wait until the preseason for a thread like this, haha.

J-Mike88
06-01-2010, 10:14 AM
I'll be watching the Eagles camp and preseason games to see how they progress.
It's really weird to be going into Philly and not gonna see McNabb.
Or Westbrook. Or Dawkins.

And eaglesalltheway, not all Eagles fans are hostile jerks.
But I think their image is well-deserved, and anyone who's gone to a road game in Philly knows this.

evilmonkey, if any casino sportsbooks have wagering odds on a game, then it's not too early! lol


For those of you who have been known to place an occasional (legal) wager on a game:
Here's the team OVER/UNDER for wins on the season: Guess what they have us set at.
http://www.sportsbook.com/livesports/indexmember.php?sportsname=football

They also (off) have us favored by 3 over the Vikings on Oct 24 in Green Bay, for what that's worth. But they also have the Queens by 3 over us on November 21st in the Humptydome, so basically they have us even with the HFA worth 3 points.
And they have the Jets favored over us by 2.5 in New Jersey on Halloween.
They have us favored by 3 over Dallas on November 7th.

They have New England favored over us (in NE) on December 19th also by 3 points. So we have the Vikings twice, Jets, Patriots, Dallas... all games that are pretty damn even and could easily go either way.

They don't have odds up for the Eagles game for some reason, but based on the other odds they do have, I would say it will almost be a pick em.

Whistler6
06-01-2010, 01:21 PM
It might be too early to place bets, but it's never too early to discuss. What else do we have to do? I have no idea how this game will go, but I'm thankful Green Bay gets to play Philly early on.
I think Kolb and co will develop into a formidable opponent as the season goes on, but catching them week 1 might allow the Packers to get the best of him before he begins to gel in the offense.

J-Mike88
06-01-2010, 02:40 PM
It might be too early to place bets, but it's never too early to discuss. What else do we have to do?No Kidding, well, if you're a Brewers fan. :)

Speaking of the Eagles, this JUST IN:

June 1, 2010 3:08 PM ET
Eagles Defensive back Marlin Jackson has managed to play in just 11-of-32 possible games over the last two seasons while tearing his ACL twice, so it was fairly surprising that the Eagles gave him a contract including $2 million in first-year pay at the start of free agency.

They may already regret it.
According to the on-site account of the Philadelphia Inquirer's Jeffrey McLane, Jackson needed to helped off the field during Tuesday's OTA practice. Jackson was "visibly upset," and "left the building crying."

The good news is that the Eagles announced the injury as being to Jackson's right ankle. He didn't re-tear an ACL.

The bad news is that this still appears to be a serious injury. The Eagles will provide a status update on Jackson later this week.

GB12
06-01-2010, 08:26 PM
Too early.

J-Mike88
09-03-2010, 11:26 PM
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL FOOTBALL ???

Some things to watch for in Philly:

#1- Road woes.
We've been pretty good on the road with Rodgers, but we've lost at Tampa Bay both years, and of course at Minnesota both years, among others.

#2- Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin..... both of these guys could exploit us and have some big plays. The DB-field we last saw in Arizona, leaving holes and missing tackles... it looks the same to me.

#3- Brent Celek, TE. I don't know his health status, but I know he's a weapon for Philly, and we have had more than our share of problems covering TEs.

#4- Brandon Graham... this is they guy I wanted in the draft, but Philly wanted him badly and took him higher than most 'experts' projections. We started last year by making Adewale Ogunleye at DE look like Jared Allen, then week two made Antwan Odom look like Dwight Freeney. I know those weren't the same OTs we have now, thank God. But seeing either Clifton or Tauscher go down wouldn't shock me. And we've seen the Bulaga vs Graham matchup before.

#5- Special teams. Who here would be surprised if we got gashed for at least one long return from the Eagles?

Not to sound pessimistic, but just do not be over-confident. Pass defense and special teams are two important areas that we are subpar. Other than homerism, nobody can think we've taken enough steps to shore up either of those areas.

J-Mike88
09-03-2010, 11:31 PM
2007 Season.
Opening Week: Packers beat Eagles on rookie Mason Crosby 52-yard game winning FG on final play of game.
Season became magical.
Until the choker threw it all away........

I remember that win over Philly very well.
Had we lost that opener, things could have gone totally in the wrong direction. These early games are important to get teams on the right track.

Let's send Kevin Kolb on the Matt Cassell track like in Kansas City.

umphrey
09-04-2010, 05:28 PM
I'm really not worried about Philly much. If we lose it will be because some special teams bounces don't go our way combined with some boneheaded defensive plays.

Kevin Kolb isn't very good. His receivers are, but Kolb is a bad fit for the offense IMO. He'll miss them on the bread and butter deep routes, hit some intermediate routes but get picked off once or twice by one of several veteran ballhawks in our secondary, lose confidence, and turn into captain checkdown.

If they still had a Brian Westbrook, Donovan McNabb based offense I'd be worried. I don't think much of McCoy though and I don't think he can move the chains on short passes and edge running. Doesn't help that their offensive line won't be able to move anybody on our DL, and we should shut down the interior run fairly early and often.

Brandon Graham has been impressive but he's not going to make a fool out of Clifton or Tauscher (not sure which side he's playing). Those are two veteran tackles that are gold when healthy and Graham doesn't have any tricks they haven't seen. He'll try to use his lower body strength to get a push and after hitting a wall several times he'll quickly realize he's not the strongest guy around anymore and he's not strong enough or cerebral enough to really win battles yet.

The biggest risk? How do Clay Matthews and Brad Jones respond to 60 minutes of football after being banged up and missing significant time. I don't want to see them whiffing on off tackle runs or leaving a TE wide open on out or dig routes.

johbur
09-04-2010, 07:21 PM
I'm only worried about the health of the defense. It will be apparent quickly whetehr the secondary can hold up to a passing attack and if the Capers scheme can get to the QB. If Matthews is healthy that will help immensely, though the mighty Zombo might be gearing up for a DPOY year... ;D lol

Sportsfan486
09-04-2010, 07:47 PM
I'm not concerned about this one. That offense doesn't scare me with Kolb and McCoy in the backfield and an average OLine.

Our biggest concern should be special teams. Just punt the ball out of bounds, please. Also, we need to lay some hits down on DeSean early; if we do that he's unlikely to blow up on us, he doesn't take well to physicality.

I think it will be a relatively close game but I think we'll be in control throughout. I'm going with 28-20, Packers.

princefielder28
09-04-2010, 08:15 PM
I'm somewhat concerned with this game...we're going up against a young team but they have big play potential and a defense that can get after the QB...I think we'll win but it won't come easy

J-Mike88
09-04-2010, 10:46 PM
How do Clay Matthews and Brad Jones respond to 60 minutes of football after being banged up and missing significant time.
No worries about endurance for 60.
Our offense will have the ball for about 35, so the D just needs to suit up for 25.
And Zombo! will spell them a little bit anyway.

Packystan
09-05-2010, 01:46 PM
I'm honestly not too concerned about this game, although I can totally see DeSean gashing us with a punt return. But as long as our line can hold up against Graham and all the exotic blitzes Philly comes with, I think we can put up at least 28 points. Kolb doesn't scare me. McCoy's running lanes will be limited. And Woodson and Tramon should keep the Jackson-Maclin duo fairly under control.

GB 38
PHI 20

BloodBrother
09-05-2010, 02:07 PM
I like Kolb, and think he can be good, but I don't think he'll be able to do enough at this point(week 1 of the season) vs the Pack. Pack run D should be able to nullify McCoy and the run game, meaning Kolb will have to try and hang with Rodgers and Co. I don't see it happening. I think the Pack jump on the EAgles early, then the Eagles make a bit of a run to come back, only to fall short

Pack - 28
Eagles - 17

PackerLegend
09-06-2010, 03:40 PM
If our offense keeps clicking our defense has to make what 1 stop? Im feeling confident we should win but you just really never know.

cvv84
09-08-2010, 03:51 PM
I'm somewhat concerned with this game...we're going up against a young team but they have big play potential and a defense that can get after the QB...I think we'll win but it won't come easy

I agree with you. I think this is a game that we should win but the starting defense not playing together much at all this preseason is the biggest concern to me.

PackerLegend
09-08-2010, 05:39 PM
Roughly 94 more hours if I did my math correctly... Cant WAIT!

J-Mike88
09-08-2010, 08:33 PM
Roughly 94 more hours if I did my math correctly... Cant WAIT!
I can't wait either.
I also can't wait for the Saints tomorrow night, and I really hope that they don't come out too over-pumped up.

We're huge Saints fans tomorrow night gentlemen!

J-Mike88
09-10-2010, 06:12 AM
Was in the Eagles forum and one of the guys asked a question about why they cut Tracy White (former Packer special teams ace), and why a 3-4 team like New England signed him right away.

I just thought it was interesting since we cut him, and our special teams took a hit afterwards as we have seen. Hopefully the Iggles also takes an immediate hit out there and we take advantage of it.
Special teams stud, extremely fluid athlete that excels in coverage, basically a good player that's just undersized. The numbers made him the odd man out because of the addition of Ernie Sims and the depth at WLB.

GB12
09-10-2010, 11:32 AM
Our special teams still sucked with him. Not saying that he wasn't a good special teamer, but I wouldn't really say it took a hit once he was cut. We sucked with him, sucked without him.

BloodBrother
09-10-2010, 12:57 PM
So with the injury report out, the main concern is that Underwood will be out...and Mike Neal is now a game time decision. Other than that everybody else is good to go. I hope Neal can suit up sunday, they need to keep the guys fresh on the Dline. Oh, and Bustin will actually be ACTIVE[/shock and awe]

J-Mike88
09-10-2010, 01:08 PM
I'm extremely bummed out that big Mike Neal is that banged up already. That sucks big time. He was the key improvement to this roster and I like the guy.

Let's hope his faith heels him fast as the reverend Reggie White did back in the day.

tjsunstein
09-10-2010, 01:17 PM
I'm not one bit worried about this game. I'm guessing we go back and forth for a quarter and a half and then Capers brings hell to Kolb. Their defense doesn't concern me because I think we have the best offense in the league. One thing that does worry me is their special teams. Dasean will have to be good to great in the return game if they're going to be in this. Hopefully we found our punter in Masthay.

BloodBrother
09-10-2010, 01:22 PM
I'm extremely bummed out that big Mike Neal is that banged up already. That sucks big time. He was the key improvement to this roster and I like the guy.

Let's hope his faith heels him fast as the reverend Reggie White did back in the day.

Apparently its an ab strain, so nothing too serious. He'll have another few days to rest it up.

Hopefully we found our punter in Masthay.

I'm certain that he'll be better than Kapinos. Hell, it was pretty evident in preseason that BOTH punters were an improvement over Kapinos. Now, ST coverage is another story...

J-Mike88
09-10-2010, 01:33 PM
FRIDAY AFTERNOON UPDATE:

* LB Desmond Bishop (hamstring) did not participate and is QUESTIONABLE;
* LT Chad Clifton (knee), did not participate (normal Friday rest) and is probable;
* DE Cullen Jenkins (calf) went full and is probable;
* LB Brad Jones (shoulder) went full and is probable;
* S Derrick Martin (ankle) did not participate and is probable
* LB Clay Matthews (hamstring) was full and probable;
* DE Mike Neal (abdomen) did not participate and is QUESTIONABLE;
* LB Brady Poppinga (knee) was limited and is probable;
* CB Brandon Underwood (shoulder) did not participate and is OUT.
* CB Charles Woodson (toe) was limited and is probable.

GB12
09-10-2010, 02:03 PM
I don't care who's out. Unless Aaron Rodgers isn't playing we should beat the Eagles rather easily.

umphrey
09-10-2010, 04:19 PM
The talking heads are predicting us almost unanimously. Some say blowout, some say we take a big lead and the Eagles make it close as Kolb settles in. Like I said before I expect a fairly easy win unless we screw up like 4 special teams plays really badly. Another concern is the team coming in flat after all the preseason hype. I don't think this will happen because it seems they learned their lesson last year and there are numerous quotes from players addressing that very problem.

Too bad about Neal but all it means is he won't play this week (unless we are ravaged by injuries) and he probably wouldn't have gotten more than 10 snaps anyway. He'll be 100% in no time. I also have a lot of confidence in Harrell as the #4 DL until he goes back on the IR.

J-Mike88
09-10-2010, 04:53 PM
Too bad about Neal but all it means is he won't play this week (unless we are ravaged by injuries) and he probably wouldn't have gotten more than 10 snaps anyway. He'll be 100% in no time. I also have a lot of confidence in Harrell as the #4 DL until he goes back on the IR.
I believe Neal and Jenkins and Raji were going to be our primary DL pass rushers, depending on who's tired and what's working.

Neal was brought in to put pass rush on, not stop the run. And this Eagles team is the most one-dimensional passing offense we will see, maybe until December in New England. I'd really like big Mike this game, and let him rest the next week against the Bills, who we can beat with our practice squad guys.

I expect Mike to suit up Sunday and make a couple plays pushing the pocket into Cobb. Kolb.

princefielder28
09-10-2010, 05:33 PM
I cannot believe how much you guys are underestimating the Eagles coming into this

Pass offense :: Kolb is unproven but he has shown he has the ability to be successful in a vertical passing game and when you factor in the targets he gets to throw to and some of the inexperience in our secondary, there's potential for a problem there and some struggles

Run offense :: LeSean McCoy and Mike Bell aren't combining to be Brian Westbrook anytime soon but McCoy is a good runner, can be a threat in the passing game out of the backfield, and Bell is a short yardage stud. Their offensive line is fairly decent too.

Pass defense :: Their secondary has some question marks, more than ours for sure, but one thing they will probably be able to do better than any team in the NFC is get after the QB with their ends; Cole and Graham are scray good and that might help cover up some of their problems in the secondary.

Run defense :: I think we could actually have some success running the football against them, but will we??? I think our lines will neutralize each other in run blocking and I don't think the Eagles have the backers or safeties to be big run supporters.

Special teams :: We're not even close to them in this department and this may help keep them in the game. Jackson can take it to the house on any touch and Akers is as consistent as can be.

I see a Green Bay victory and it'll be well earned against a good football team

PackerLegend
09-10-2010, 07:20 PM
Was in the Eagles forum and one of the guys asked a question about why they cut Tracy White (former Packer special teams ace), and why a 3-4 team like New England signed him right away.

I just thought it was interesting since we cut him, and our special teams took a hit afterwards as we have seen. Hopefully the Iggles also takes an immediate hit out there and we take advantage of it.

Didnt we actually sign this guy to an extension or raise then shortly after cut him? Im pretty sure we did if I remember correctly.

J-Mike88
09-10-2010, 08:29 PM
I cannot believe how much you guys are underestimating the Eagles coming into this
I'm not.
That place is a nasty place to play. We've lost there with better teams, haven't won in Killadelphia since before any of us were born.

And our pass defense is the same characters as last year when we made Favre, Big Ben, and Warner look like God.

Plus special teams sucks for us and they're good. DeSean probably will have at least one big return, maybe more.

Favre4ever
09-11-2010, 01:29 PM
Im not wrried just yet about the Defense. We didnt have our full line up once and we virtually didnt show anything at all on Defense throughout the whole camp. Once we did show a little (e.g. vs the Colts) they made things happen.

My concern is that we couldnt create anything out of our Base defense with no pressure. Theres 2 guys who could make a difference this year. Neal and Harell. Neal showed that he could be a force on passing downs and it showed against the Colts. But Harell at times showed tremendous power and other times looked like he was tired. Hes pratically a rookie since he hasnt played, well, ever. If his back can hold, im sure we'll see a progression out of him.

If the secondary can hold until the return of Bigby and Harris, the D will have many options and this Defense could end up being very good.

Sniper
09-11-2010, 02:00 PM
Are you guys excited to throw for 678 yards and nine touchdowns this weekend?

PackerLegend
09-11-2010, 04:02 PM
Are you guys excited to throw for 678 yards and nine touchdowns this weekend?

Only 678 and 9 Tds? Way to be conservative :D

Werowance
09-11-2010, 04:16 PM
Are you guys excited to throw for 678 yards and nine touchdowns this weekend?

Yeah, because that will happen...

The Eagles first team defense allowed 258 passing yards and 2 passing touchdowns over the course of 6 quarters of preseason plays.

Sniper
09-11-2010, 04:17 PM
Yeah, because that will happen...

The Eagles first team defense allowed 258 passing yards and 2 passing touchdowns over the course of 6 quarters of preseason plays.

No one gives a **** about pre-season.

Werowance
09-11-2010, 04:21 PM
No one gives a **** about pre-season.

I'm just saying the Eagles defense wasn't nearly as bad as was expected in what we've seen of them and they've given no reason for us to expect Aaron Rodgers to rape them on Sunday, Aaron Rodgers will be great no doubt but I'm not expecting a performance like the one he had against the Cardinals.

TitleTown088
09-11-2010, 07:32 PM
Are you guys excited to throw for 678 yards and nine touchdowns this weekend?
I could see Kolb returning the favor.

J-Mike88
09-11-2010, 09:52 PM
FWIW:

BOB McGINN: No trip to Philly is ever nice, but the Packers are making it at an ideal time. Kevin Kolb has enough skill and smarts to become an adequate starter. But based on the way Kolb was slow reacting against vanilla exhibition defenses, he sure isn't one now. Dom Capers has the wherewithal to make Kolb's debut a nightmare.

TOM SILVERSTEIN: In the NFL, it comes down to talent. The Packers have more talent than the Eagles and they should win the game. The thing that will make the game interesting is whether the Eagles can rattle the Packers with their blitz. The Packers will play it safe on defense, but they'll be ready to attack on offense. Packers 24, Eagles 14.

MICHAEL HUNT: I'll bet an entire Milwaukee skyline against one William Penn-topped Philly city hall that the Kolb-McNabb swap won't hold quite like Rodgers-Favre. Packers 31, Eagles 21.

GREG A. BEDARD: On paper the Packers should bust loose against an Eagles team that is still working through some things on the offensive line and on defense. Paper isn't worth much, especially in season openers when the unexpected usually occurs. Eagles 23, Packers 20.

LORI NICKEL: The Eagles have won five of the last six, but maybe this is the year the Packers finally win one in Philadelphia. Everybody's cover boy, Aaron Rodgers, played so well in the preseason there's so reason to suspect he can't keep it up in the opener. Packers 28, Eagles 17.

drowe
09-12-2010, 06:41 AM
A couple thoughts.

-Remember, we're playing a playoff team on the road. That is a brutal way to start the year. Anybody that isn't worried about this game needs to rethink their expectations.

-But, if we have to play the Eagles, this is a great time to do it. game #1 of the Kevin Kolb era. The Eagles can't afford to ease him in. The whole league knows from last december and january that the way to beat the Packers is to throw deep early and often.

-A win here would be a great way to start. A loss means the very real possibility of the Lions being alone in first place....for a week.

My Prediction: An ugly frustrating game involving penalties and mistakes.
Packers 16- Eagles 13

J-Mike88
09-12-2010, 07:23 AM
That's a good point drowe.
It seems that you, PrinceFielder, and myself are the only ones not expecting a cakewalk, and actually worried we might come away with an 0-1 record?

Remember, besides them being a playoff team, they think they got better at QB, and on defense with the addition of Brandon Graham in the draft.

They also won a playoff game in 2009 at Minnesota. This team is no patsy. In fact, most thought they were the best team in the NFC entering December last year, before they had problems with Dallas. Dallas owned them though.

This is a great test for us, but a scary game. If we do beat them, it validates our high hopes. If we whip these guys, I think everyone will take notice that the Packers are a serious contender.

GB12
09-12-2010, 10:28 AM
******* Game Day!

Packers 31
Eagles 14

umphrey
09-12-2010, 01:49 PM
I would loooooooove to see Rodgers throw 7 interceptions on the year again and 0 today.

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 03:30 PM
awful start...

umphrey
09-12-2010, 03:33 PM
Clay Matthews you sneak devil you

Aaron Rodgers looks like dog poo.
1st series: Missed 3 open receivers on short/intermediate routes
2nd series: Held the ball too long twice then threw a pick into triple coverage

Uh oh. He was a bad first quarter QB last year a lot and he tended to get fueled by his mistakes. But I'm scared we have to rely on our defense and stop assuming out offense is a given to score every possession.

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 03:34 PM
awful start...

Is that seriously Rodgers out there?

And why do we have a 1,200 yard back and come out with shotgun again and again? Wow.

Also good to see that Rodgers seems to have retained his position as the only QB in football that refs don't protect.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 03:38 PM
So far everyone on defense looks good. Woodson, Shields (he's playing, he's not getting picked on), Matthews, Jones, Raji, Traman, Dom Capers with a good gameplan.

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 03:39 PM
I see Vick run around and I start to get some not-so-good flashbacks...is Hardy Nickerson out there???

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 03:41 PM
We need to get a drive together here. Offense has looked horrible. Rodgers accuracy is beyond bad right now.

Sniper
09-12-2010, 03:42 PM
Going against sports fan rules, I bet against my team. You better ******* win today, Packers.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 03:49 PM
Rodgers looks like he did to start last season, which isn't good, but at least we're moving the football last year. He has to stop staring down receivers, do a better job handling the football during the blitz, and start making accurate throws.

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 03:51 PM
So much for improved OLine?

umphrey
09-12-2010, 03:51 PM
FFS Drop Back And Throw It When The Pocket Disintegrates

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 03:52 PM
So much for improved OLine?

Rodgers needs to get rid of the ball quicker too


this last one wasn't his fault though

umphrey
09-12-2010, 03:54 PM
are You Kidding Me Rodgers!?!??!

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 03:58 PM
surprised to see Mason make it but we'll take it

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 03:59 PM
Rodgers, what the ****? I mean. What the ****? He looks like a rookie out there.

And it's Rodgers fault for two of the sacks, also, but the OLine is consistently getting beat without the need for bringing added pressure.

Sad, sad offensive showing so far.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 04:03 PM
Justin Harrell helped off the field, thus he's done for the year.
Cullen Jenkins getting his hand X-RAYed
Mike Neal questionable with ribs I think?

Goodbye DL depth. What are we down to, 3 healthy and 1 questionable DL on the sidelines right now?

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 04:06 PM
Justin Harrell helped off the field, thus he's done for the year.
Cullen Jenkins getting his hand X-RAYed
Mike Neal questionable with ribs I think?

Goodbye DL depth. What are we down to, 3 healthy and 1 questionable DL on the sidelines right now?

No one is going to cry over Harrell, we can pick up someone just as good. Jenkins hurts, though. Neal hopefully will be good to go next week.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 04:09 PM
Yeah Neal will be fine Jenkins I'm pretty sure will be fine because it's not a leg/shoulder/back injury.

Jenkins is back in actually. I am/was worried about fielding 3 guys and not overworking them.

Charles Woodson hell yeah DPOY last year and yes he did deserve it!

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 04:09 PM
Okay, D is straight ballin' right now. Nice.

Tramon had blanket coverage on that play, that was nice to see.

Not a pick. Bummer

*edit* Anyone else see on that replay how Rodgers looked like a terrified rookie? What the ****?

umphrey
09-12-2010, 04:18 PM
Rodgers looked at Finley every single play so far except ignores him now when he's WIDE open streaking across the first down line.

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 04:26 PM
Ryan Grant :(

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 04:38 PM
Old reliable DD

umphrey
09-12-2010, 04:39 PM
Don't tell him that. He still thinks he's 28.

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 04:53 PM
Mason killed that one

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 04:59 PM
Halftime impressions.

D looks great. Tramon has looked like a #1 CB in coverage, Raji has been controlling that line and Matthews is just all over the place (HOW did he drop that pick, though? I mean come on!) We should have at least 3 takeaways by now but heh.

Offense has looked awful. Rodgers clearly has opening day jitters to the extreme. Hopefully he calms down at Half and comes back out firing.

Crosby made a difficult field goal. Wow.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 05:14 PM
Too bad about Grant getting hurt, but Jackson clearly has outplayed him all preseason and towards the end of last year. This coming from a fan who thought we should cut Jackson several times, so believe it...

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 05:20 PM
I wanna see more Kuhn

umphrey
09-12-2010, 05:27 PM
We need to get Lumpkin back or trade for a RB methinks.

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 05:27 PM
I hate Vick.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 05:32 PM
Should be using Morgan Burnett as a spy. Put him in zone coverage middle of the field 5 yards off the LOS but mostly just move with Vick.

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 05:42 PM
Haha, Hobbs is a *****. I like how he got owned after his cheapshot.

Offense seems to have settled in. What happened to Grant? I missed it.. look serious?

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 05:57 PM
fear the Zombo!

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 06:00 PM
Vick is the anti-Packer. He owns us.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 06:03 PM
Touchdown to Maclin who was man coverage by Sam Shields on an isle with no safety help - the exact opposite of how to use Shields to help this team. I love Shields as our 3rd-4th CB but don't do that again damnit.

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 06:09 PM
Shields continues to get picked on

umphrey
09-12-2010, 06:32 PM
Man, what can I say about Clay Matthews. If he didn't play today we would probably be in overtime right now or maybe even losing.

princefielder28
09-12-2010, 06:35 PM
Man, what can I say about Clay Matthews. If he didn't play today we would probably be in overtime right now or maybe even losing.

Clay was great today

This game was as tough as I expected but it took a whole new spin with Vick in there...thank god we have Buffalo at home next week

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 06:43 PM
Grades.

QB - C-. Rodgers wasn't accurate, took too long and looked fluster and panicked all game. Fell well short of the hype. Just one game, so who knows.
RB - D. They did nothing of note.
WR - B. Made some good plays, were hurt by Rodger's inaccuracy.
TE - C. Finley didn't really live up to his preseason hype.
OL - C-. Made no push in the running game and were lackluster against the pass-rush for most of the game.
DL - B+. Seemed to play well, got good push and opened up blitz gaps.
LB - C+. Matthews is the reason this score is decent. LBers got burned constantly by screens and Vick runs.
DB - C. Played well for most of the night but dropped at least one easy pick and left Shields all alone to get torched.
ST - A+. Good returns and perfect on difficult field goals plus didn't give up long returns. Shockingly special teams were our strong point today.

Favre4ever
09-12-2010, 06:51 PM
About Rodgers... I'm starting to notice that hes a slow starter. Same thing happened his first and second year and the same thing happened in last year playoffs. He needs to settle down and get into a rythym. The first week is never easy for anybody, look at all of the QBs today. P. Manning didnt look his susal self, Brady was often off target even though they won big, Brees wasnt the Brees we know also. First win of the season enjoy it.

umphrey
09-12-2010, 06:59 PM
About Rodgers... I'm starting to notice that hes a slow starter. Same thing happened his first and second year and the same thing happened in last year playoffs. He needs to settle down and get into a rythym. The first week is never easy for anybody, look at all of the QBs today. P. Manning didnt look his susal self, Brady was often off target even though they won big, Brees wasnt the Brees we know also. First win of the season enjoy it.

My feelings exactly.

How can you (not you Favre4ever) give RB a D grade? Brandon Jackson looked AWESOME. Really, some of the best running today since Ahman Green before he want to SEA.

BloodBrother
09-12-2010, 07:02 PM
Very good and tough win vs a good team on the road. Can't complain about that, but the team does have things to work on

They seem to always start the season out slow, especially the OL. What is up with that? It's like it takes 6-8 games in before the OL starts to improve. They did well in some spots but protection was still an issue

- Dline played great IMO. Raji looked real good out there. They got gassed at the end, can't blame them though sicne they had to play the damn entire game basically, since Harrell got hurt again(surprising). Oh yea, DUMB to have 4 Dlineman active, when one of them is tissue soft Harrell

- ST. Wow, was that really the Packers ST out there? Great returns, good coverage. Solid punting, and 2 50+ yard fg's made? Very good job today

- Shields looks raw, no surprise there.

- Clay Matthews is a difference maker. He was all over the field today, and is just a beast. Unreal game

- I hate that whenever they seem to get a big lead, its like they sit on it, and let teams hang in there and let them slowly get back into it.

Again though, Philly has been a house of horrors for the Pack for DECADES, so you figured it would have been a tough win. The offense was not on their game today, which is good to see since that is the part of this team that worries me the least. I was happy with how the D and ST looked, especially the ST. Defense wore down at the end, and they seemed to not be able to make proper adjustments for Vick

1-0 is all that matters. And next they get Buffalo at home!

tjsunstein
09-12-2010, 07:13 PM
Clay Matthews is and was the difference maker.

BloodBrother
09-12-2010, 07:17 PM
Woodson also doing his thing by forcing a turnover in which the packers ended up scoring. D was fine most of the game, but wore down at the end because the offense STUNK in that 4th quarter and they had only 3 active Dlineman. They were on the field a lot in that 2nd half

BloodBrother
09-12-2010, 07:23 PM
And according to Rob Demovsky, Justin Harrell thinks he tore his ACL. Will await MRI results, obviously

Well, he lasted longer than usual. He usually hits IR by mid preseason. He at least lasted about 20 minutes into the season. Injured on a freakin FG to no less

Pack now down to 5 DLineman.

Sportsfan486
09-12-2010, 07:35 PM
My feelings exactly.

How can you (not you Favre4ever) give RB a D grade? Brandon Jackson looked AWESOME. Really, some of the best running today since Ahman Green before he want to SEA.

You know, I meant to say C and I should have noted I missed most of the third quarter due to internet problems (and sporadic bits during the entire game.) Still, what I did see of Jackson looked slow and not all that impressive. I'll check out the highlights.

Also, the rushing stats looked better than I remember seeing so maybe my internet cleverly failed on the good rushing plays. Heh.

Good news is we won and it really wasn't close until Vick came in and torched us. It was one of our six hardest games, in my opinion, and we got a victory despite playing poorly for stretches.

Things to improve.
-Gameplanning for DBs. Why was Shields man covering a very good #2 WR with no safety help, especially in the red zone? Stupid, stupid.
-Screen defense. We got beat on a couple of screen plays and while Philly is always one of the best at those we need to improve.
-QB play and OLine play. Kind of hand-in-hand, at least as far as sacks. It was about 50% fault for Rodgers and 50% fault for the OLine on the sacks.
-QB play. I don't know WHAT happened on those two INTs. The first one was a Favre-ish underthrow into triple coverage and the second he missed a wide open Driver for a first down and possible long run after the catch by at least 7 yards.
-Gameplanning. We took our foot off the pedal late and were content to try and run out the clock and they very nearly came back on us for it.

Also, lots of injuries today for both sides. Grant seemed to be okay later, though, so hopefully he's fine as I don't share the same enthusiasm for Jackson (who always looks like a less explosive, less physical runner than Grant imo.)

umphrey
09-12-2010, 10:07 PM
Brandon Jackson didn't have any highlight runs, but he consistently hit the hole hard and was gaining 3-4 yards after contact keeping his legs moving and even broke a couple tackles inside against linebackers, which is really tough because usually when you get hit by a linebacker inside the runner loses speed and balance and hits another tackler right away.

I really don't have any idea how it happened but Brandon Jackson looks like a completely different player this year.

Packystan
09-12-2010, 11:17 PM
Woodson also doing his thing by forcing a turnover in which the packers ended up scoring. D was fine most of the game, but wore down at the end because the offense STUNK in that 4th quarter and they had only 3 active Dlineman. They were on the field a lot in that 2nd half

The forced fumble by Woodson was eerily similar to the fumbles he forced last season against Roy Williams and Larry Fitzgerald. His ability to punch the ball out while still being able to tackle affectively is what sets him apart in that regard, and why he's the defending DPOY.

Game Grades:

Quarterbacks:C-
It was obvious from the first snap that Rodgers was not his sharpest, missing his first three attempts that normally are relatively easy completions. Failing to spot a wide open Finley coming across the field on 3rd down was uncharacteristic of Rodgers, especially seeing how he was trying to establish Finley in the game early on. His first INT thrown into triple coverage was forced, and it just didn't seem like he couldn't hit get into a comfortable rythem, although his two touchdown passes were well placed. Next week should be a good opportunity to correct the minor mistakes, and I dont expect todays inacuracies to linger long.

Running Backs:B-
Its too bad that Ryan had to get injured when he did. He had just come off three great runs, and it looked like the running game was going to pick up the stagnant offense and use the run to set up the pass. Brandon Jackson had a few nice runs, but he seems to be too indicisive when it comes to hitting the hole and hitting it fast. John Kuhn had the best run of the game, taking a FB dive and completely bulldozing three players right up the heart of their defense, then scoring on the same run two plays later. The more carries I see on Kuhn, the more intrigued I get about how he could be more involved in the running game. He was acceptional today.

Recievers:B
I'm not putting much of anything on the revievers because I believe they were a victim of Rodgers' innacuracy, although Jordy did drop a pass that would have resulted in a touchdown. Jennings and Finley seemed to be the two guys the Eagles were not going to let beat them, even though Jennings touchdown was basically pitch and catch. And Donald 'The Machine' Driver just keeps getting hit done with another clutch touchdown that gave us the lead, and put us over the top for good. So overall, not great, but good enough to get the job done.

Offensive Line:C-
I'm being generous with this grade only because they flashed at times in the run game, but protection wise I felt like I was watching Week 1 of the 2009 season all over again. I couldn't help but put my hands on my head in complete disbelief with how our tackles were being completely manhandled. Clifton gave up 2 sacks, and looked slow off the snap, and Tauscher couldn't seem to get a good base under him to stay balanced. I kept seeing him getting pushed almost completely into Rodgers on multiple plays, and he looked like he was nursing something midway through the game. I dont know if its anything serious, its just what I picked up. If they continue to perform this way, how quick should TT and McCarthy turn to Bulaga or Lang? We cannot have the same protection problems reoccur again this year. Sitton though looked like stud today. Troy Aikman even gave his props during the game saying he thought Sitton was "Probably the most underrated and overlooked offensive linemen in football." Really excited to see how he progresses throughout the year.

I will do defense and special teams tomorrow. I have tons of homework.

J-Mike88
09-12-2010, 11:32 PM
My Notes:

Clay Matthews should be named the NFL Defensive Player of the Week.
If only he had caught that late interception right to him, it would have sealed it for him. Shows how MEANINGLESS preseason is.

I like Mark Tauscher, but he looked so much older and weaker and slower today than ever. He got bulled back a bunch of times.

Zombo!

My man Aaron Rodgers was sch*tty today. Terrible overthrows, skittish, really one of his worst efforts I have seen from him, other than in Tampa Bay.

Brandon Jackson was fantastic, and how about Kooooooon making the most on his runs!

When Michael Vick is in, why do we blitz all out? I do not want to flush him from the pocket. I want to keep him in there, and force him to throw. We almost got killed with a loss because of his big plays with his legs. Just keep him contained. But that's a huge difference in game-planning for Kolb compared to Vick.

Props to the punter Tim Masthay! At least the first two punts he had, he forced DeSean Jackson to call for a fair catch, which means we're not giving up a big return. Except for one, I thought Tim punted great.

Welcome back Mason Crosby! His bomb would have been good from 60 yards or longer. And it was dead-center.

Good job on special teams all the way around, and that shows why TT & MM hung with Slocum instead of bringing in the guy that Philly brought in. Ironic.

I actually feel very bad for Justin Harrell. I watched him on that play (kick or punt) and was surprised he was on that blocking unit, commenting on it before the snap. I never saw the injury in a replay though. If that is an ACL tear, poor fella's Packer career is over. Did anyone claim Jarius Wynn or Toribio?

Jordyzzz on the returns, and no holding calls or blocks in the back on our special teams?

Defenses obviously are focused on Jermichael Finley. This opens up the backs out of the backfield.

1-1 Baby! That is huge, and an NFC win.
Thanks Steelers, and Rashard Mendenhall, because Atlanta might be a factor for NFC playoff jockeying down the road.

tjsunstein
09-12-2010, 11:53 PM
Severity of Grant's injury anyone? Walking in a boot but we're only carrying Brandon Jackson as our other true RB. Kuhn proved useful but how long can we get by with him spelling Jackson?

Harrell is as good as gone if it is an ACL tear. I was really excited to see him out there, too.

Aside from injuries:

We played into Vick's hands too many times. He would drop back, step up and watch our rush go by and have 10+ yards in front of him. Had he ran it in, he could have, instead of firing it into the endzone on an incompletion, we may have lost.

Good news, we dominate pocket quarterbacks. Not many times will we see anyone as mobile as Vick, so that's a positive.

Aaron Rodgers didn't look sharp. He forced some throws. Didn't see a couple open guys.

Brandon Jackson looked great on some carries and average on others. Basically the story of his career so far. I need consistent from him.

Woodson and Matthews make plays. Where was Nick Collins? I guess it's best if we didn't recognize him for the wrong reasons.

Sam Shields needs to return. Not taking anything away from Jordy as the kick returner but punts. Also, very raw at corner. Not sure how I feel about that going forward but if we don't have anyone better, so be it.

Special teams definitely improved as noted. Crosby was clutch today.

Our line looked suspect the second half with more complicated blitzes.

Overall, an average game for the Packers as a whole. You have to think we'll be better going forward with less of a threat running the ball for the oppositon. I'm worried about teams spreading us out on defense just like last year. We don't see a team as deep on offense until the Sunday night showdown with Minnesota Week 7. Until then, we face not one top 15 offense from a year ago.

Next week, we have Buffalo. Should put us to sleep. Edwards looked awful this week and Spiller was bottled up because of the lack of a passing threat.

Sportsfan486
09-13-2010, 12:50 AM
Sam Shields needs to return. Not taking anything away from Jordy as the kick returner but punts. Also, very raw at corner. Not sure how I feel about that going forward but if we don't have anyone better, so be it.

Shields doesn't have the ability to even field punts. Proven fact.

EvilMonkey
09-13-2010, 06:32 AM
looks like another year of McCarthy running 3 times and punting every time we have any sort of lead in the 4th quarter instead of having a killer instinct and just running our offense to get some more points. Nothing quites beats his stall and let them catch up move he loves so much....

PackerLegend
09-13-2010, 09:54 AM
I really wish Clay wouldn't have hurt Kolb because that game ended up becoming way to close for our liking. The Packers seem to have a tendency of letting teams storm back though. Its nice to see Crosby making all these FGs throughout preseason and now into week 1. Really hope he can keep that up.

TitleTown088
09-13-2010, 10:35 AM
Shields continues to get picked on

I dont know if I'd call that being picked on.

He had that one bad play vs Maclin, but he covered Jackson a good deal of the day and held him relatively in check. Not a bad first game.

Heck their leading receiver was a RB. Solid, but not spectacular performance for the secondary. Should have had a few INTs.

fenikz
09-13-2010, 10:47 AM
So why was Rodgers avoiding Finley so much? He was constantly open and refused to throw it to him nearly costing the Packers the game

Are they feuding or something?

TimmG6376
09-13-2010, 10:48 AM
1) The only success the Eagles seemed to be having early on was with the Vick/Wildcat stuff and unfortunately this was the one scenario where knocking out the starting QB was actually a disadvantage. Most of the damage Vick did once inserted fulltime was when he was flushed out of the pocket. Good news is we were getting pressure throughout the game. Bad news is that is not how you want to play against Vick. The Buccaneers showed everyone years ago that you beat Vick by containing him in the pocket and playing zone. Fortunately as others have said there aren't anymore QBs left on schedule that can do what Vick does. McNabb has given us fits with his feet before but while he may still be able to extend a drive here and there he doesn't pose the big play threat with his feet that Vick does.

2) Hoping Grant can return. Jackson did have some nice runs in which he broke tackles, but I just don't see the big play explosion from him. Seems tentative at the hole. Grant looked more explosive. On the play that Grant got hurt I think he could have taken it the distance if Jennings had been able to throw a block. Seemed like he was already heading to the next level assuming that Grant would beat the guy in front of him. If Jennings blocks that DB and gives Grant the sideline I think he is in the endzone instead of on the sideline.

3) I too am concerned that the offense seems to go into a shell in the second-half when holding a lead. Maybe if you are up 3 scores and the opposing offense hasn't shown anything, but they were only up 2 scores and having problems keeping Vick under wraps. Should have tried harder to extend the lead and give the defense some rest.

TitleTown088
09-13-2010, 11:19 AM
So why was Rodgers avoiding Finley so much? He was constantly open and refused to throw it to him nearly costing the Packers the game

Are they feuding or something?


Quite the contrary. Rodgers has been raving about Finley all off season and vice versa.


Rodgers just had a bad game, plain and simple.

umphrey
09-13-2010, 11:53 AM
He targeted Finley a ton early in the game without much success. Philly had 3 guys on him at some points. Other times he would get open but Rodgers either missed the read or just decided to ignore Finley if he's getting that much attention.

jackalope
09-13-2010, 09:57 PM
So why was Rodgers avoiding Finley so much? He was constantly open and refused to throw it to him nearly costing the Packers the game

Are they feuding or something?

This post is funny.

As much as this is being called an ugly win, I was really happy with the game. Defense got a lot of pressure and although Vick had a lot of success it was a very promising performance overall. Special teams and penalties were both bright spots. If Jordy keeps returning like this, we're in great shape. The only real issues I thought we had were the pass protection and Rodgers' play. Rodgers I have no worries about going forward. Some of the shaky line play is certainly a concern though.

Grant going down sucks obviously, but Jackson should be able to hold his own in the run game for a few weeks before we have to play some better competition.

umphrey
09-13-2010, 11:07 PM
Yeah it was a wierd game. The things we thought we would suck at played the best and the things we thought we would dominate we were...marginal at I guess. Any defense would have been gashed by Vick if they spend all preseason game planning for a guy like Kolb and all of a sudden they have 15 minutes at half time to prep for one of the best rushing QBs of all time.

cvv84
09-15-2010, 10:45 AM
Im a little late to the party but here's my 2 cents on the game:

I kind of figured the offense would sputter out of the gates. Seems to happen every year where they light it up in preseason and stall early in the season.

I think we'll need to start spreading defenses out alot more now with Grant done for the season. Put Jennings, Finley, Driver, Jones, and/or Nelson out wide because no team has 4-5 talented CBs that would be needed to cover everyone. It would also help Jackson out tremendously too.

Clay Matthews was worth every pick that we traded to draft him and more. The guy was everywhere and his only misque was that dropped INT. Couldn't be happier with his performance.

We really need one of our young CBs to step up. Trammon was tested heavily and held up but Shields needs further development.

I could see Bulaga starting at some point in the near future. Tauscher was repeatedly beaten and Colledge is a ticking turnstile. Furthermore Josh Sitton is turning into a damn fine player. Lock that man up.

A big win on the road to start the season despite quite a few misques and injury loses.