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diabsoule
06-02-2010, 09:39 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_15207026

Interesting article about the MWC wanting to be more aggressive than previously thought.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 09:45 AM
They should bring Fresno State with them

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 10:43 AM
I thought the baseball thing could really kill this. But I guess not. I'm ******* absolutely loving this!!!

BamaFalcon59
06-02-2010, 10:45 AM
If this happens...

MWC >>> Big East

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 10:47 AM
If this happens...

MWC >>> Big East

That's what I was thinking too

like I said, I'd love to see Fresno State come with them because Hill runs a great program that is consistently competes and plays well in bowl games.

And it certainly gives the MW a powerful argument for getting an automatic bid

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 10:50 AM
That's what I was thinking too

like I said, I'd love to see Fresno State come with them because Hill runs a great program that is consistently competes and plays well in bowl games.

And it certainly gives the MW a powerful argument for getting an automatic bid

Yeah I would love to see Fresno State in the Mountain West. Their offense is prototypical for the MW.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 10:54 AM
Yeah I would love to see Fresno State in the Mountain West. Their offense is prototypical for the MW.

I disagree with that part sort of. Fresno State was a really interesting matchup with Boise State last year, because so many people don't buy that Boise State's defense could stop a big, power running team. Well, Fresno State brought Ryan Mathews and Lonyae Miller, who were both big, big backs at about 230lbs each and Mathews obviously very fast and Boise State won.

Pat Hill is good at adapting his offense to his talent and as a result, he can usually provide a good measuring stick for a team like Boise State and I think they'd do very well in the MW.

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 11:12 AM
I disagree with that part sort of. Fresno State was a really interesting matchup with Boise State last year, because so many people don't buy that Boise State's defense could stop a big, power running team. Well, Fresno State brought Ryan Mathews and Lonyae Miller, who were both big, big backs at about 230lbs each and Mathews obviously very fast and Boise State won.

Pat Hill is good at adapting his offense to his talent and as a result, he can usually provide a good measuring stick for a team like Boise State and I think they'd do very well in the MW.

You lost me.

diabsoule
06-02-2010, 12:20 PM
The case can be made for Fresno State to join the MWC but the case could also be made for Houston, who I feel is the slightly better choice if the Mountain West chooses to add one more team.

Houston has a larger endowment ($491 million compared to Fresno State's $91.4 million), better research facilities, boast a similar W-L record since 2002 (57-45 compared to Fresno's 63-41), and offer the Houston TV market. While Fresno State is more competitive in baseball, Houston is more competitive in basketball. Both offer the ability to serve as travel partners: Houston with TCU and Fresno State with San Diego State.

What pushes Houston above Fresno State is that their endowment is much larger, they have better research facilities, and offer a larger market. The Mountain West, even with the addition of Boise State, would still sit at ten teams which still leaves the possibility open of inviting two more teams which very well could be both Houston AND Fresno State.

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 12:24 PM
The Mountain West, even with the addition of Boise State, would still sit at ten teams which still leaves the possibility open of inviting two more teams which very well could be both Houston AND Fresno State.

I just came

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 12:29 PM
You lost me.

I don't think anyone in the MW can boast 2 running backs like Fresno State had last year in terms of size/speed.

Personally, I'd take Fresno State over Houston, both because it's in California as opposed to another team in Texas and has been more consistent year to year in football, but if you can get both, do it

descendency
06-02-2010, 12:31 PM
If this happens, the Mountain West could become the best football conference in the country. They are vastly under-rated as is. They're better than the Big East, already.

If they don't get an automatic bid, I will be mad. They have 4 great teams last year. A 5th team would be unbelievable.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 12:32 PM
If this happens, the Mountain West could become the best football conference in the country. They are vastly under-rated as is. They're better than the Big East, already.

If they don't get an automatic bid, I will be mad. They have 4 great teams last year. A 5th team would be unbelievable.
Not even close, but nice try

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 12:36 PM
I don't think anyone in the MW can boast 2 running backs like Fresno State had last year in terms of size/speed.


awww ok I got you. But again, I think their high powered offense would be a nice fit in the MW.

Also Utah has a pair of very nice RBs in Wide III and Asiata. and TCU always has good RBs. BYU just lost their ******* RB to unprotected sex but they got some very talented players waiting in the wings.

No one really on Matthews level though.

descendency
06-02-2010, 12:50 PM
Not even close, but nice try

Don't be jealous that they would have 5 teams that outperformed the other conferences last year, in spite of not being given fair chances at bowls due to TV ratings.

The SEC and the Big 12 are the only two conferences you could even argue that were better last year.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 12:59 PM
Don't be jealous that they would have 5 teams that outperformed the other conferences last year, in spite of not being given fair chances at bowls due to TV ratings.

The SEC and the Big 12 are the only two conferences you could even argue that were better last year.

A. I'm not jealous. I'm all for them getting an automatic bid and I think they are underrated and disrespected constantly.

B. The idea that the MWC with Boise State and let's throw in Houston and Fresno State just to bolster them are still 4th at best in terms of conference strength behind the SEC, Big XII, and Big Ten. And if the Big Ten gets Notre Dame and Nebraska, suddenly it's the SEC and the Big Ten as #1 and #2.

Boise State is a great program, but if they had to play a full schedule against the SEC, they'd get worn down by SEC Defensive Tackles, which is the entire reason they are the best conference in the country. Boise just doesn't have the size to match up week in and week out. When they are in a one game match up, it's an any given sunday situation, but that leads me into my third point.

C. The Mountain West was 5-1 last year in Bowls? Somewhere around there. They earned it. No question. However, in a game like where Utah beat Alabama, there is a factor that cannot be ignored. When a mid major gets into a game like that, it's the Super Bowl for them. They are playing for their several conferences and it's the biggest game of their lives. When a team like Alabama or another big time program with big expectations every year ends up in a game like that, it's a dissapointment and at times, the play on the field looks like it. They just do not see the game the same way. This is not even up for debate. It's a reality. The team that wins, wins, but it's still a factor.

D. How do TV ratings enter this discussion. First, the WAC I believe outperformed the Big East and ACC in TV ratings. Second, that would have no impact on how the teams play on the field. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make there.

The Mountain West with those teams would be a great conference, but the idea that you have them over the SEC is just outrageous and I'll take the Big XII and Big Ten over them.

LizardState
06-02-2010, 01:03 PM
They should bring Fresno State with them

If they go, Fresno St. will stay & own the place. And if they go it will make Fresno St, San Jose St, etc. very happy indeed.

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 01:06 PM
Totally off topic but San Jose State does such a terrible job recruiting in the San Jose are. Like they could have it ON LOCK if they so choose to (along with the Monterey, Salinas, and Santa Cruz areas. It pisses me off. Just thought I would put that out there.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 01:07 PM
If they go, Fresno St. will stay & own the place. And if they go it will make Fresno St, San Jose St, etc. very happy indeed.

The Mountain West, whether Boise State goes or not, is going to get an automatic bid for BCS games eventually and they will get more money. If Boise State does go, the MW is going to make huge money in TV sooner than later. The WAC without Boise State might as well be the MEAC or Sun Belt. Fresno State both from a competitive standpoint and a financial standpoint would benefit greatly from the move. And the MW would get into California for TV and for recruiting. Win, win

diabsoule
06-02-2010, 01:27 PM
The Mountain West, whether Boise State goes or not, is going to get an automatic bid for BCS games eventually and they will get more money. If Boise State does go, the MW is going to make huge money in TV sooner than later. The WAC without Boise State might as well be the MEAC or Sun Belt. Fresno State both from a competitive standpoint and a financial standpoint would benefit greatly from the move. And the MW would get into California for TV and for recruiting. Win, win

The Mountain West is already in California for tv and recruiting. They have San Diego State.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 01:32 PM
The Mountain West is already in California for tv and recruiting. They have San Diego State.

I guess... they kinda suck, but I'll refine that to Northern California

RealityCheck
06-02-2010, 01:36 PM
If this really happens, then the MWC is about to become the third best conference in football.

No joking.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 01:39 PM
If this really happens, then the MWC is about to become the third best conference in football.

No joking.

I'm assuming you have SEC and the Big XII as the top 2.

So easy to be down on the Big Ten but let's compare the top teams from each conference

Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Iowa

compared to...

Boise State
TCU
Utah
BYU

You're telling me you're taking the MW over the Big Ten? Seriously?

LizardState
06-02-2010, 01:45 PM
Totally off topic but San Jose State does such a terrible job recruiting in the San Jose are. Like they could have it ON LOCK if they so choose to (along with the Monterey, Salinas, and Santa Cruz areas. It pisses me off. Just thought I would put that out there.

Not to hijack the thread, but the SJ St. FB program is hanging on by its fingernails. It has to schedule national powers (open @ Alabama in September) & Pac 10 teams (opened at USC last yr) for the big paychecks to keep their other athletic programs floating. I sometimes think the NCAA rule allowing players to transfer & play immediately if their school drops FB or goes down an NCAA division level is the only thing keeping their roster intact.

There is a determined effort by SJSU faculty & others here in San Jose to eliminate FB, just too costly, & losing teams can't recruit as Yay pointed out. The whole Cal St. University system is is serious budget trouble, not rich like the UC system, & when professors get laid off they can't justify retaining the FB & other athletic coaches. So the Spartans FB team has to play these outmanned games, lose by 4-50 points/game, & collect the paycheck. But it's just a matter of time before they drop down Div. II or go the zero-sum route, just eliminate FB altogether, IDK what they'll do with the Jeff Garcia Sports Auditorium though.... :neutral:

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 02:18 PM
Yeah or DI-AA.

diabsoule
06-02-2010, 03:02 PM
Another team to think about if the Mountain West wants to expand to twelve outside of Houston and Fresno State is Nevada. Natural rival with UNLV as well a travel partner, solid football program, solid basketball program, larger endowment than Fresno State....

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 03:24 PM
Yeah they would be a good fit.

JHL6719
06-02-2010, 03:41 PM
I disagree with that part sort of. Fresno State was a really interesting matchup with Boise State last year, because so many people don't buy that Boise State's defense could stop a big, power running team. Well, Fresno State brought Ryan Mathews and Lonyae Miller, who were both big, big backs at about 230lbs each and Mathews obviously very fast and Boise State won.

Pat Hill is good at adapting his offense to his talent and as a result, he can usually provide a good measuring stick for a team like Boise State and I think they'd do very well in the MW.


Yes Boise won the game in a shootout.... but their defense couldn't even come CLOSE to stopping Fresno's downhill rushing attack....

Fresno rushed for over 300 yards against them at an 8.2 YPC clip..... Hell, Ryan Mathews had 3 TD runs of over 60 yards...

If they played a team with a devastating downhill power rushing attack like that with a double-headed monster combined of two powerful, fast, explosive backs.....but could also play defense....

...those cute little Boise fellas would be in for a world of hurt IMO....

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 03:44 PM
People keep saying that but those cute little Boise fellas keep coming up big.

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 03:48 PM
People keep saying that but those cute little Boise fellas keep coming up big.
Personally, I think Boise State is going to beat Virginia Tech unless the Hokies block a kick. Chris Peterson is one of the best in the business and with this much time to prepare for one game, I think he's going to come up big

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 03:49 PM
Personally, I think Boise State is going to beat Virginia Tech unless the Hokies block a kick. Chris Peterson is one of the best in the business and with this much time to prepare for one game, I think he's going to come up big

Definitely. I'm rooting for the upset.

descendency
06-02-2010, 04:48 PM
How is beating Virginia Tech an upset? Are they being over-rated again? :/

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 04:51 PM
How is beating Virginia Tech an upset? Are they being over-rated again? :/

It's not an upset. Boise State is ranked in the Top 5 and is returning 21 starters. It's a road game no matter what anyone wants to say, but Boise State winning would definitely not be an upset at this point

JHL6719
06-02-2010, 06:20 PM
People keep saying that but those cute little Boise fellas keep coming up big.

Yep....about once or twice a year when they actually play somebody...

Spread teams from the Pac-10, Big-12, etc.. that spread you out and try to run sideways on you doesn't impress me..

I'm talking about beating somebody that's going to line up in two-tights and run downhill on them with speed, physicality, and power..... somebody that can actually play a lick of defense too...

If they can beat VT in Blacksburg...it'll go a long way towards impressing me... even if they're not the "underdogs" in BCS sense... but in a practical sense..

wonderbredd24
06-02-2010, 06:22 PM
Yep....about once or twice a year when they actually play somebody...

Spread teams from the Pac-10, Big-12, etc.. that spread you out and try to run sideways on you doesn't impress me..

I'm talking about beating somebody that's going to line up in two-tights and run downhill on them with speed, physicality, and power..... somebody that can actually play a lick of defense too...

If they can beat VT in Blacksburg...it'll go a long way towards impressing me... even if they're not the "underdogs" in BCS sense... but in a practical sense..
Game's in DC and I don't think beating VT would show that. They don't go downhill a ton.

Oklahoma did though when Boise State beat them. Again, in a one game scenario, I think Boise State can beat anyone based, but week to week playing an SEC or Big Ten schedule, I think they'd get worn down, especially against SEC Defensive Lines

JHL6719
06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
Game's in DC and I don't think beating VT would show that. They don't go downhill a ton.

Oklahoma did though when Boise State beat them. Again, in a one game scenario, I think Boise State can beat anyone based, but week to week playing an SEC or Big Ten schedule, I think they'd get worn down, especially against SEC Defensive Lines

Yes DC....it'll be just like a rockin' home game similar to Lane Stadium for the Hokes though..

Oklahoma has never featured a downhill rushing attack under Stoops....always been the spread. The same offense that Chuck Long took to SDSU with him... they were using a WR at quarterback for pete's sake....

Adrian Peterson was a downhill runner... but it's still not neccessarily what I'm talking about....

They didn't "beat" Oklahoma...they simply squeaked out a one point victory with an incredible call on a gadget play because they had nothing to lose by trying...there's a difference...

Georgia however.... BEAT Boise St.... BEAT the **** out of them...like they stole som'n...

I agree with you on the one game scenario thing.....which is why the best TEAMS don't always end up reflected in the BCS rankings.... I've always been a playoff supporter anyway....

diabsoule
06-02-2010, 06:50 PM
Yes DC....it'll be just like a rockin' home game similar to Lane Stadium for the Hokes though..

Oklahoma has never featured a downhill rushing attack under Stoops....always been the spread. The same offense that Chuck Long took to SDSU with him... they were using a WR at quarterback for pete's sake....

Adrian Peterson was a downhill runner... but it's still not neccessarily what I'm talking about....

They didn't "beat" Oklahoma...they simply squeaked out a one point victory with an incredible call on a gadget play because they had nothing to lose by trying...there's a difference...

Georgia however.... BEAT Boise St.... BEAT the **** out of them...like they stole som'n...

I agree with you on the one game scenario thing.....which is why the best TEAMS don't always end up reflected in the BCS rankings.... I've always been a playoff supporter anyway....

When did Georgia play Boise State? Last team I remember Georgia beating the crap out of was Hawaii.

YAYareaRB
06-02-2010, 06:54 PM
So much fail

TitanHope
06-02-2010, 08:23 PM
I think I remember UGA playing Boise St., but it was a couple of years ago. I think it was @ Georgia though.

Here we go:

Syu8jx_BA94

YAYareaRB
06-03-2010, 12:00 AM
awww DJ Shockley. I miss thee

diabsoule
06-03-2010, 02:48 AM
I think I remember UGA playing Boise St., but it was a couple of years ago. I think it was @ Georgia though.

Here we go:

Syu8jx_BA94

Admittedly, Boise State has gotten much better as a program since 2005. During that 2005 season they failed to notch a single noteworthy win over a program that carries any merit and finished 9-4 with a loss to Boston College in the Humanitarian Bowl.
That Georgia team that beat Boise State 48-13 to open the year went on to go to the Sugar Bowl and lose to West Virginia 38-35. Comparing those two teams that year is comparing apples to oranges.

diabsoule
06-03-2010, 02:59 AM
Oklahoma did though when Boise State beat them. Again, in a one game scenario, I think Boise State can beat anyone based, but week to week playing an SEC or Big Ten schedule, I think they'd get worn down, especially against SEC Defensive Lines

I don't think there are many teams that could go toe-to-toe week in and week out against SEC, Big Ten, or even Big XII caliber offenses and defenses on a weekly basis. Most of the ACC, Big East, and PAC 10 could not do it. Discussing the possibility that Boise St. try to do that is a moot point since they don't need to do that week-to-week to be legitimized. Competing and winning against Utah, BYU, and TCU in the MWC along with playing solidified programs like Virginia Tech, Oregon, and Oregon State in the regular season is what they need to do. Winning bowl games against established programs is just lagniappe (a little extra).
By moving to the Mountain West, the Broncos are making the next step in establishing themselves as one of the strongest mid majors and a team that if they bring their A game could potentially beat any team in the country. By adding Boise St, the Mountain West is also making a smart move by increasing the level of competition on the gridiron and solidifies their case to become a BCS conference. Adding a team like Houston, Fresno State, or Nevada, or any two of the three, is increasing the strength of the middle of the pack programs in the MWC and would give teams like Air Force and possibly Wyoming more competition.

diabsoule
06-04-2010, 10:05 AM
One school that I just thought of that could interest the Mountain West is Southern Methodist (SMU). They have a huge endowment, are a highly touted research university with fantastic academics, and have returned to being a competitive team on the football field. They also make a natural travel partner with TCU as well as a natural cross town rival with the Horned Frogs being the Mustangs closest athletic rival.

diabsoule
06-04-2010, 12:08 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/04/23/bcs-aq/index.html?eref=twitter_feed

Formula for the MWC to receive BCS Auto-Qualifier status.

diabsoule
06-11-2010, 12:43 PM
According to ESPN's Joe Schad, Boise State will join the MWC today.

Smooth Criminal
06-11-2010, 03:21 PM
I love seeing Boise join MWC. Boise definately needed to do something to improve their schedule.

I'll be rooting hard for VT next season. I know I don't wanna see undefeated Boise come bowl time.

wonderbredd24
06-11-2010, 03:23 PM
I love seeing Boise join MWC. Boise definately needed to do something to improve their schedule.

I'll be rooting hard for VT next season. I know I don't wanna see undefeated Boise come bowl time.

Their schedule was never as bad as people liked to make it out to be... teams just refuse to play them.

JRTPlaya21
06-11-2010, 03:27 PM
I love seeing Boise join MWC. Boise definately needed to do something to improve their schedule.

I'll be rooting hard for VT next season. I know I don't wanna see undefeated Boise come bowl time.

Thanks buddy :)

Smooth Criminal
06-11-2010, 03:27 PM
Their schedule is always considerably weaker than it should have been. This will improve it. Playing the MWC and one good OOC game should give them a respectable enough schedule.

Look at next year. They have VT and Oregon State as their two toughest games. It'll be much better seeing them play BYU, TCU, and Utah for conference games.

wonderbredd24
06-11-2010, 03:30 PM
Their schedule is always considerably weaker than it should have been. This will improve it. Playing the MWC and one good OOC game should give them a respectable enough schedule.

Look at next year. They have VT and Oregon State as their two toughest games. It'll be much better seeing them play BYU, TCU, and Utah for conference games.
Yes and they literally had the open date that became VT and had an open challenge to ANYONE. It sat there for a few weeks before VT took it and they have to play in DC because no one will go home and home with them.

And I'll take Chris Peterson to get Boise State to win that game with 21 of 22 starters coming back.

Smooth Criminal
06-11-2010, 03:36 PM
I know about that, I wasn't blaming Boise for having a weak schedule. Them deciding to move to the MWC is good because it will strengthen their schedule.

I hate seeing Boise play a crap game damn near every week. Conference games with BYU, Utah, and TCU will all be pretty good matchups and moving to MWC may help them find teams to schedule OOC.

YAYareaRB
06-11-2010, 07:17 PM
I don't think they got offered but they are still seemingly headed to MWC. I didn't read that much into it after it said they weren't offered.

LizardState
06-12-2010, 10:47 AM
It's official, Boise St. to the Mtn. West < a wk. after the Conference announced it would not expand -- they must have thought everyone else is moving now so why can't we:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/06/11/wac-football-boise-state-officially-heads-to-the-mountain-west/

Mtn. West membership begins July 1st, 2011. The stage is now set for the TCU Horned Frogs Vs. the Boise St. Broncos for conference domination, the consistently highly-ranked TCU Patterson's Purple People Eater defense vs. the high-scoring, innovative Broncos offense. They met last January in the Fiesta Bowl, Boise St. won 17-10.

IDK about Utah, they could still be heading to the Pac 10. I think they'll go west if the Texas schools decide to stay put or move elsewhere, like maybe TAMU into the SEC West.