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Duffman57
06-15-2010, 02:26 PM
Ok, i know there was alot of talk about some guys over the last few years like Taylor Mays running in the 4.2 or 4.3's last year at 6'3" 230, but i think this guy takes the cake.

Nevada DE Dontay Moch may just be the freak of the freaks. He is a DE/OLB prospect at 6'1" 245 and has supposedly run in the 4.2's and said he's capable of running in the high 4.1's :shock: . Here's the article on him.

While their names are more recognizable to the casual college football fan, the player creating the most buzz in the scouting world as the National reports circulate is Nevada pass rusher Dontay Moch .

That is because Moch, a 6-1, 245 pound defensive end who'll almost surely be asked to move to linebacker in the NFL, proved to be one of the fastest players tested by National scouts.

His time?

4.25 seconds, according to sources.

What is especially stunning about Moch's time is that, according to multiple sources, Moch claims to have run even faster times on multiple occasions, including a stunning 4.19 second effort that scouts, coaches and prospective agents across the country are whispering about.

Most exciting is that Moch's speed translates well to the field.

Playing defensive end for the Wolfpack, the 6-1, 245 pound Moch has been a terror off the edge, earning the WAC Defensive Player of the Year honors last season with 61 tackles, an eye-popping 20 tackles for loss, 6.5 sacks and two forced fumbles. In 2008, Moch was similarly effective, posting 50 tackles, 17.5 tackles for loss and 11.5 sacks.

http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/22523668

I'm not saying that this is true or whatnot, but if it is thats one dam impressive time.

EDIT: I almost forgot but here is a highlight video of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gtsE4RxIt4

GB12
06-15-2010, 02:30 PM
They prefer to be called African Americans.

tEk
06-15-2010, 02:31 PM
i dont like his size a de... maybe a 43 will with that speed

Bengals78
06-15-2010, 02:31 PM
They prefer to be called African Americans.

Ha....hahahahahahhaa
Stay golden.

prock
06-15-2010, 02:32 PM
We will have to wait and see if these numbers are true, but if they are, that is mind-boggling freaky.

JFLO
06-15-2010, 02:44 PM
Yea, I've already read about this and supposedly it's very true.

However, there was another article that collected all the rumored times and there were at least 4-5 different ones, so I'm sure he ran a 4.2-4.3, but a 4.19 may be stretching it.

JFLO
06-15-2010, 02:46 PM
Moch as a prospect is very intriguing as well. He packs quite a punch for being only 6'1" 245. Obviously, his size will limit his opportunity at DE in the NFL, but he is comparable to 2010 draftee Jason Worilds. He's got good lateral ability, extremely athletic (obviously) and is very relentless.

Brown Leader
06-15-2010, 02:57 PM
Moch speed? Couldn't resist.

Halsey
06-15-2010, 03:49 PM
Ill believe it when it's official, The Georgia Bulldogs have a DE/OLB who supposedly ran a 4.27 in the 40. There's always tales of players running freakish times. Let's see them do it when we have more than 'sources' to prove it.

Michigan
06-15-2010, 03:52 PM
I'll give Moch the benefit of the doubt and give him a 4.3 flat. Unlikely at his size, but obviously he has special speed so his actual time might not be too far from that. However, is that really "freakier" than guys like Vernon Davis (6'3 254 4.38 33 reps 42" vert), Calvin Johnson (6'5 239 4.35 42" vert), or Mario Williams (6'7 295 4.70 35 reps 40" vert)?

Paranoidmoonduck
06-15-2010, 03:57 PM
You can tell from those highlights that he's quick, but it's hard to tell much of anything regarding his speed. If he can clock a low 4.3 or high 4.2, that's great and all, but going from 4-3 DE to 4-3 LB isn't always an easy transition and we've seen plenty of ridiculously fast linebackers fail in the NFL.

Teddy Lehman anybody?

K Train
06-15-2010, 04:19 PM
They prefer to be called African Americans.

so good....hahahaha

K Train
06-15-2010, 04:21 PM
Moch as a prospect is very intriguing as well. He packs quite a punch for being only 6'1" 245. Obviously, his size will limit his opportunity at DE in the NFL, but he is comparable to 2010 draftee Jason Worilds. He's got good lateral ability, extremely athletic (obviously) and is very relentless.

worilds is pushin 260, and ran a 4.51 on the fastest track on the planet so probably more like a 4.7 when it matters

yourfavestoner
06-15-2010, 05:35 PM
If true, line him up as a 3-4 rushbacker and let him loose. He's about the same size as James Harrison.

Duffman57
06-15-2010, 05:41 PM
You can tell from those highlights that he's quick, but it's hard to tell much of anything regarding his speed. If he can clock a low 4.3 or high 4.2, that's great and all, but going from 4-3 DE to 4-3 LB isn't always an easy transition and we've seen plenty of ridiculously fast linebackers fail in the NFL.

Teddy Lehman anybody?

Why do you think he would play LB in the 4-3? He would most likely be a 3-4 OLB.

Paranoidmoonduck
06-15-2010, 05:57 PM
Why do you think he would play LB in the 4-3? He would most likely be a 3-4 OLB.

Because he's really small and doesn't look like he can get much bigger. Short arms and small hips would suggest a 43 LB to me more than a team lining him up as a 34 OLB. Just my two cents though, assuming he continues to play defensive end in college the real answer won't be reached until we see him do linebacker drills.

edit - Andy Buh came in to take over that defense though, right? Any word if Nevada will switch to a 34 as a result?

bce
06-15-2010, 06:20 PM
Definitely one to watch. and dont move him to inside or 4-3 lb. You want this puppy off the edge, if hes anywhere even remotely close to being that fast. The nfl leader in sacks in 2009 was 5 11 250 lbs, so this faux argument of him "not being big enough" or "short arms" doesnt carry any water. Definitley have to watch see if he can affect the qb consistently and if he can do that hes surely first rd material.

Theres no right "size" for an edge rusher. Theres only size and thats "can he get to the quarterback"

Whoever posted this, thanks for the great info, look forward to watching this guy, if he proves on the field hes the real deal, hes flying up the board

bce
06-15-2010, 06:34 PM
Theres a youtube viseo of him against missouri. Not all that impressive. Seems to have trouble when anyone blocks him

Paranoidmoonduck
06-15-2010, 06:35 PM
The nfl leader in sacks in 2009 was 5 11 250 lbs, so this faux argument of him "not being big enough" or "short arms" doesnt carry any water.

Yes, and Elvis Dumervil has the longest arms for his height that I ever recall seeing in a draft.

edit-

But you're correct, there's no real prototype that a player needs to fit. But calling on guys like Dumervil (who were ridiculously productive in college and had the physical traits that really matter) and Harrison (who has more functional strength for his size than almost any defender I can think of) is calling out real exceptions to the rule. Moch may be fast, but I don't see the things that an edge rusher needs. Speed will help him in pursuit more than anything, so I see a 43 OLB.

bce
06-15-2010, 06:37 PM
Right. Its about "armlength".

RealityCheck
06-15-2010, 06:49 PM
I call BS.

But after the Taylor Mays Incident, I may be wrong.

No, I'm not. The only over-240 guy in CFB who runs a sub 4.4 is Zachzzzz Brownzzzzz.

CashmoneyDrew
06-15-2010, 08:04 PM
You can tell from those highlights that he's quick, but it's hard to tell much of anything regarding his speed. If he can clock a low 4.3 or high 4.2, that's great and all, but going from 4-3 DE to 4-3 LB isn't always an easy transition and we've seen plenty of ridiculously fast linebackers fail in the NFL.

Teddy Lehman anybody?

Terna Nande.

Paranoidmoonduck
06-15-2010, 08:09 PM
Terna Nande.

And Nande wasn't just fast, if I recall correctly. Didn't he put up some insane strength numbers too?

superman8456
06-15-2010, 08:12 PM
Right. Its about "armlength".

Do you know anything about football, let alone evaluating talent of collegiate players?

CashmoneyDrew
06-15-2010, 08:12 PM
And Nande wasn't just fast, if I recall correctly. Didn't he put up some insane strength numbers too?

He was pretty much a workout warrior. Yes.

bce
06-15-2010, 08:25 PM
Do you know anything about football, let alone evaluating talent of collegiate players?

I know that arm lenghth is not a determining factor.

bored of education
06-15-2010, 08:26 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

stop stealing my magic man

i been had a hard on for this dude since last year

tuan33
06-15-2010, 08:28 PM
I know that arm lenghth is not a determining factor.

Actually it is. If you knew what they were looking for in a linemen, you would just stop talking right there.

FUNBUNCHER
06-15-2010, 08:40 PM
You'd think he'd be more productive playing in the WAC. WIth that speed, he doesn't seem to be the most instinctive defensive player.

TACKLE
06-15-2010, 08:53 PM
You'd think he'd be more productive playing in the WAC. WIth that speed, he doesn't seem to be the most instinctive defensive player.

I get the feeling that you're just making generalizations based on other physical freaks. Moch was tied for 7th in the nation in TFL's with 20.

bce
06-15-2010, 09:21 PM
Its not a determining factor for pass rushers. Some great pass rushers have long arms. Some do not. Many bust pass rushers have long arms. Its not a determining factor in pass rush ability.

Thumper
06-16-2010, 03:06 AM
Actually it is. If you knew what they were looking for in a linemen, you would just stop talking right there.

Actually it isn't. Dwight Freeney, Trent Cole, Osi Umenyiora, Derrick Burgess, Elvis Dumervil, Robert Mathis and LaMarr Woodley all have the same arm length +/- a few fractions of an inch. Here I'll do some math for you, that is 340 sacks from guys with 32" arms, arm length doesn't matter as much as you think. And the best first DE drafted in the last draft had 32.5" arms. Arm length = overrated.

Ozzy
06-16-2010, 08:07 AM
4.2 40 time for Moch? He is a pass rusher, maybe that would be impressive if he was a natural linebacker that dropped in pass coverage a lot, then a 40 time speed like that would be useful. But in the box, getting blocked, it does not matter how fast he is because he does not have a free release.

I doubt this however, he is a quick player but if he was so fast why would he not be playing safety? Can anyone tell me that one?

James Michael Johnson is a very fast linebacker on Nevada as well, but again if you are getting blocked and are in the traffic of the play it does not matter how fast your 40 time is.

40 time is far more important for corner and receivers than down defensive lineman, that is saying he will even play that position in the NFL.

Aloysius
06-16-2010, 10:26 AM
EDIT: I almost forgot but here is a highlight video of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gtsE4RxIt4
You're a good man.

FUNBUNCHER
06-16-2010, 10:51 AM
I get the feeling that you're just making generalizations based on other physical freaks. Moch was tied for 7th in the nation in TFL's with 20.

How many of those other guys were alleged to have run a 4.3 or faster??

BamaFalcon59
06-16-2010, 11:13 AM
worilds is pushin 260, and ran a 4.51 on the fastest track on the planet so probably more like a 4.7 when it matters

4.48 on VT's fast track.

Complex
06-16-2010, 05:05 PM
You can tell from those highlights that he's quick, but it's hard to tell much of anything regarding his speed. If he can clock a low 4.3 or high 4.2, that's great and all, but going from 4-3 DE to 4-3 LB isn't always an easy transition and we've seen plenty of ridiculously fast linebackers fail in the NFL.

Teddy Lehman anybody?

Didn't he run like a 4.5 pr 4.6 at his pro day or combine? I remember they did a story on him on SportSCenter because he supposely ran a 4.3 at OU

bce
06-16-2010, 05:22 PM
Actually it is. If you knew what they were looking for in a linemen, you would just stop talking right there.

lamar woodley has 33 inch arms.

TACKLE
06-16-2010, 08:20 PM
Actually it isn't. Dwight Freeney, Trent Cole, Osi Umenyiora, Derrick Burgess, Elvis Dumervil, Robert Mathis and LaMarr Woodley all have the same arm length +/- a few fractions of an inch. Here I'll do some math for you, that is 340 sacks from guys with 32" arms, arm length doesn't matter as much as you think. And the best first DE drafted in the last draft had 32.5" arms. Arm length = overrated.

Not that it changes your point but Dumervil has a 6'7" wingspan despite the fact that he's only 5'11.

Thumper
06-16-2010, 08:28 PM
Not that it changes your point but Dumervil has a 6'7" wingspan despite the fact that he's only 5'11.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/409949

4.68 in the 40-yard dash 495-pound bench press Bench presses 225 pounds 29 times 365-pound back squat 308-pound power clean 27.5-inch vertical jump 32 -inch arm length 9 1/8-inch hands Right-handed Wears contacts 14/48 Wonderlic score.

Wingspan =/= arm length

TACKLE
06-16-2010, 08:33 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/409949



Wingspan =/= arm length


Hmmm....that's odd.

I guess Dumervil just has a really, really wide chest. Look for that to be a new thing people look for in pass rushers. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

RaiderNation
06-16-2010, 08:41 PM
Best freak athlete that has turned out to be a GOOD NFL player... Calvin Johnson... 6'5 230+ sub 4.4 speed

JFLO
06-16-2010, 08:44 PM
Isn't there a guy like this every pre-season?

I dont necessarily remember who the freak was around this time last year, but it seems I read the same type of story every year.

Some mid-major guy who does nothing but workout and speed drills ends up running a 4.2 - 4.3 and it ends up end the media as a sub 4.2...

Wasn't it Terrelle Pryor last year who supposedly ran a 4.33 at 6'6" 240?

cajuncorey
06-16-2010, 10:39 PM
this guy is an intriguing prospect but one thing i noticed is he appears to not have much of a motor and gives up on plays too quickly. hes like anti-derrick morgan. he lacks pass rush moves that u would like in a DE, his only sacks were off of stunts. i hate to be negative but consider him just another workout warrior until he proves us different

FUNBUNCHER
06-17-2010, 02:21 AM
Hmmm....that's odd.

I guess Dumervil just has a really, really wide chest. Look for that to be a new thing people look for in pass rushers. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif
LOL!! Hilarious!
Honestly, Dumervil is a freak to be able to produce at the level he does for a 5'11, 260# DE. Really unbelievable that he's an impact player in the league.