Woman punched in face by cop

[Draft King]

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/421817_punch15.html?source=mypi

Click the link for the video. Personally, I feel like she deserved it, and was lucky it was not a taser or baton he used. From what I understand, he was stopping them to give them a ticket for J-Walking, then they started to fight back a little, so he tried to place them under arrest. It's kind of sad watching all the people in the background with their cell phones.

[WMD]

The headline is comical, but I'm against violence on women.. unless it turns them on. You know, making them moan and shake and breathe hard and such.

[Go_Eagles77]

He still punched a woman in the face. Sure she was an annoying ***** but he probably could have still got her constrained without punching her.

[soybean]

I'm in the complete opposite, my thinking is, what was he suppose to do in that situation.

Secondly, where the f was his backup?

[KCJ58]

what do you tell a women with two black eyes?

Nothing, she's already been told twice

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I've got crazy respect for cops and I don't think he should be reprimanded in any way as being a cop requires you to make split second decisions like that. Personally though if it were me I might make at least one attempt to resolve it by giving her a final verbal warning and first trying to restrain her before socking her in the face. It was a pretty hostile situation though and unfortunately this does look bad on the department. I hate seeing a woman get socked in the face like that and if he weren't a cop I'd have a huge problem, but the fact is you can't and shouldn't ever make physical contact with a cop like that.

[nrk]

She shouldn't have put her hands on the officer and pushed him. You don't put your hands on an officer like that, you're just inviting trouble. What if she tried to grab his gun or something? It happens. They're lucky they didn't get tazed.

Also, I've never seen such trouble from a cop arresting someone. It's a 17 year old girl and he couldn't get her hands behind her back?

[CJSchneider]

In my opinion, he did mishandle the situation. For as crazy as this is going to sound, he should have tazzed her, taken her to the ground, cuffed her and then called for back up. He allowed the situation to go on a bit to long and was engaged with her far longer than he should have been. I know it sounds weird, but you do come off as unprofessional when you strike someone as opposed to a tazzing or a macing. I agree with soybean as well, where was his back up?

[JFLO]

I'm with STRIP, I would have given her a final warning. I don't care who you are, you can't push a cop and expect to not get a physical response. Then again, I'm not a cop so I don't know what I'm talking about.

[CJSchneider]

mYE0OKrziok

I like this dude's take on the situation. I lol'd at 3:50.

[nrk]

I'm with STRIP, I would have given her a final warning. I don't care who you are, you can't push a cop and expect to not get a physical response. Then again, I'm not a cop so I don't know what I'm talking about.

One of the comments on the site said that in that situation punching someone is an acceptable tactic. No idea if it's true. There are some police officers on this site aren't there? I'd like to hear their response.

[MetSox17]

I don't blame the cop at all, but it's gotta be embarrassing that he never was able to take that one girl down. I woulda just tripped her and put the knee on the back LAPD style. All the people around the officer really weren't helping either. They probably made her feel like if the officer was in the wrong when she CLEARLY was resisting arrest.

[vidae]

Don't put your hands on a police officer. This is what happens.

[TitanHope]

Should've gone for the ovary. It's their achilles heel.

[Philliez01]

what do you tell a women with two black eyes?

Nothing, she's already been told twice

Is the answer something to do with that song, Rude Boy?

[Brent]

Why the **** wouldn't you just ******* listen to what he says? ****, he'd probably just give her a warning and let her go, but you touched a cop? Ignorant **** right there. She's lucky he didn't taze the **** out of her.

[prock]

I think she should have been tazed. I hate violence against women, but the ***** assaulted a police officer. The ***** in the pink should be arrested too.

[tEk]

wow, that was entertaining. who raised these people in the video.... shows where america is headed, down the shitter

[MaxV]

All this drama over jaywalking.

[yourfavestoner]

I think she should have been tazed. I hate violence against women, but the ***** assaulted a police officer. The ***** in the pink should be arrested too.

The taser should have been used anyways. It's the most effective and least harmful way to stop anyone. Punching her in the face is a huge no-no, and believe that it's going to lead to a major lawsuit against the officer, the police dept., and the city. Officers are rigorously trained on how to react to situations, and punching somebody in the face is something that you cannot do under just about any circumstance unless you're getting physically attacked with force and must respond to defend yourself. There's a reason why they train police to restrain people while using as little force as possible. And it's why they gave them tasers to begin with. She's resisting arrest? Tase her or take her to the ground and restrain her and this whole fiasco is over with in about 15 seconds and you have inflicted as little damage as possible, thus reducing your liability. You inflict 10 seconds of pain on her as opposed to the two weeks it's probably going to take for her busted face to heal up.

Also, from what I've read, this whole situation rose out of a jaywalking offense, so that's why there likely no backup called.

[MetSox17]

I like how everyone is saying that he should have tazed her, and after every cop taze video goes viral on the net, everyone cries foul.

[LonghornsLegend]

Also, I've never seen such trouble from a cop arresting someone. It's a 17 year old girl and he couldn't get her hands behind her back?

This was the weird part, seriously. Is it that hard to get someone's arms behind their back to cuff them? He was acting like a rookie cop, or like he was arresting someone on PCP. They were both out of line, but I think pepper spray or tasing was the better solution vs punching a woman in the face, even as a cop if your faced with those decisions I don't think socking her in the face was the correct one.


You really should only have to give one solid verbal warning, something along the lines of, if you don't back up I'm going to pepper spray you, and that's all it takes(granted I couldn't hear very well if something like that happened).


I still think even for a jaywalking ticket that he should have called back-up, it looked like it was just him with 20+ people standing around, he could of gotten jumped and there wouldn't have been any license plates or drivers license to find out who was there.


Even if a cop is being a dick, people have got to learn to shut the **** up, not much better advice you can have. Maybe he was being a dick for giving a jay walking ticket I don't know, just shut the **** up and take it, and fight it in court, pay it, whatever. Resisting arrest is never going to end up well, even if it's a ******** reason your getting arrested.

[JFLO]

During the last quarter at OSU, I jaywalked probably 4-5 every day and throughout the quarter, I probably did it around 6-10 times in front of a cop and didn't get talked to once, haha.

I'm not black though, so...

[trkaline]

I loled..........

[bearfan]

You all say the girl should have been tazed, but my question is where is the tazer gun on a cop? Surely he wasn't going into the situation thinking that there would be any issues like the ones that arose, and the girl was physically assaulting him...so while punching her in the face may seem like a little too much, what other options did he have when the girl was tugging and pulling at him?

[yourfavestoner]

You all say the girl should have been tazed, but my question is where is the tazer gun on a cop? Surely he wasn't going into the situation thinking that there would be any issues like the ones that arose, and the girl was physically assaulting him...so while punching her in the face may seem like a little too much, what other options did he have when the girl was tugging and pulling at him?

If he's unable to reach or use his taser, than he must respond with equal or less force and only to defend himself. So he should have taken her to the ground and restrained her. It really wouldn't have been that difficult.

[PackerLegend]

Pretty embarrassing this cop couldn't handle a 17 or 19 whatever year old chick and get the cuffs on her. All this over jaywalking! They pretty much deserved it though but the fact it got that out of hand over something stupid is sad.

[MetSox17]

The vid that CJ posted explained it best. All he was gonna do was talk to the girl in black, yet she refused and walked away. When a cop wants to talk to you, you don't just give him your back and ignore him. He had every right to question her, then she got all rowdy. Once she started shoving she was being put under arrest, and that's when the other cow came in and pushed the cop.

She deserved to get clocked.

[The Unseen]

It's a ******* jaywalking arrest. No one's life is at stake. The cop is a dick, plain and simple.

She deserved to get clocked.

lmao

[contento]

What some of you morons who speak before you think dont know is that the community itself ASKED for cops to focus on stopping jaywalking.

This is MLK blvd in Seattle and the kids from Franklin HS jaywalk across 4 lanes of traffic constantly, along with bums/other dummies, and that results in roughly one serious accident a month.

I agree that under normal circumstances jaywalking is a chicken-**** ticket, but it's a major problem in this area at this time on this street- thus the cop enforcing the law more strictly than usual at the communities request.

However, punching the girl was out of line. He could've easily pushed her away and yelled at her BEFORE punching her, but he came out with that lazer-quick right hand straight to the face. I bet even pulling his mace out of it's holster and pointing it at the girl would've been enough to get her to back off.

They should give him a couple classes at the station on proper police procedures(even thought the punch may be considered 100% within reason) and they should drop the assault charges against the girls but ticket them both for jaywalking. I just hope this doesn't result in some big-bucks civil suit against the Seattle PD, since the only people that will hurt is the taxpayers.

[DoughBoy]

Its her own fault. Im against hitting women but this is a rare exception. He gave them both enough chances to calm down.

[DoughBoy]

Pretty embarrassing this cop couldn't handle a 17 or 19 whatever year old chick and get the cuffs on her. All this over jaywalking! They pretty much deserved it though but the fact it got that out of hand over something stupid is sad.

Jesus there was 400 pounds of women between the 2 of them. I doubt you could of handled them either.

[sbh15]

i'd prefer a fist to the face over a taser any day...

[yo123]

Jaywalking? Are you serious? Writing a ticket for jaywalking is way worse than what he did to her.

[bored of education]

My friend is a cop who i went to for advice about an issue I had with another officer. I was kinda drunk and I went to touch him on the shoulder too say everything is ok after he tried break up a fight. HE spun me around and body slammed my face in to the ground.


He told me:


Don't touch cops. They have the right to do whatever the **** they want when they are touched. You put your hand on a cop, that is reasonable grounds enough for them to taek out their knightstick and shove it in your throat.

[bored of education]

Also:

If you are walking down the street and a cop pulls up next to you. STOP. You take 2-3 steps away from him that is grouns for him getting out that car and bucking you

[trkaline]

Yeah...I hate cops but I wouldn't even think about going at them like that ***** did..I mean I tried once when I was drunk as ****, but luckily I was too drunk and they thought my stumbling trying to get to them was hilarious.

[njx9]

Also:

If you are walking down the street and a cop pulls up next to you. STOP. You take 2-3 steps away from him that is grouns for him getting out that car and bucking you

i'm curious. can your friend cite the law that gives him this authority? because he's lying out of his ass. and that's by far the nicest thing i can say about it.

[Ness]

Why the **** wouldn't you just ******* listen to what he says? ****, he'd probably just give her a warning and let her go, but you touched a cop? Ignorant **** right there. She's lucky he didn't taze the **** out of her.

Because there are some people that try to act ignorant and pretend like the law doesn't apply to them. Especially young people that showcase this stupid ghetto mantra. Idiots. That is what they get. From the looks of it, they needed a reality check in the first place. I thought when I saw this video that I would be bias against the police officer, but he did the right thing. I would buy him a beer if I met him in reality. I don't condone violence against women, but one of the girl was going after him and could have easily grabbed a gun, who knows. He did the right thing in this scenario. And I didn't a get a sense of malice from the cop at all. He was just trying to control the situation.

[bored of education]

i'm curious. can your friend cite the law that gives him this authority? because he's lying out of his ass. and that's by far the nicest thing i can say about it.

Terry v ohio. But really Resonable suspicion has a vague determination and is used excess, but the scope is quite large.

[LonghornsLegend]

Jesus there was 400 pounds of women between the 2 of them. I doubt you could of handled them either.

400lbs? Come on now. Besides that, he wrestled around with the chic he didn't punch for minutes trying to put her in cuffs after someone else pulled the other chic away. He couldn't even handcuff a HS girl, and she wasn't a big girl by any stretch of the imagination, she wasn't more then 125 lbs, and the other one was 150-175 at best.


He should still be embarassed it took that long to handcuff her. I still think pepper spray is the best use in these situations, punching a chic in the face just really isn't the best use of force.





Also:

If you are walking down the street and a cop pulls up next to you. STOP. You take 2-3 steps away from him that is grouns for him getting out that car and bucking you

Wait. What? So your just supposed to stop for no good reason, other then you saw a cop car? That makes no sense. If they have sirens on, or used the loud horn to address you that's different, if a cop if just rolling down the street your not expected to know he wants you to stop, and I don't know what "bucking you" means, but unless you evade arrest, but you can't expect people to randomly stop just because a cop car pulls up.

[bored of education]

I am saying, at least acknowledge the police officers presence.

You dont have to stop but usually when a police officer randomly stops you he is not looking for Toto

[trkaline]

Well if he could barely handle the teenage girl to cuff her, wouldn't the punch to the face be warranted?

[njx9]

Terry v ohio. But really Resonable suspicion has a vague determination and is used excess, but the scope is quite large.

right, which has to do with searches. and only if there's a clear and articulable (if i remember the wording right) reason for it. 'dude looked funny' does not pass that bar, and certainly doesn't give the cop authority to use force.

further, if you saw the basis behind Terry, there's a FAR different standard than 'some cop pulled up next to you'.

that said, if a cop tells me to stop, i'll stop long enough to ask if i'm under arrest. then i'll tell him to piss off. if he wants to risk me owning his grandchildren to flex his *****, i'm all in.

edit: then again, the denver police department has a long history of giving me reasons to think all cops are worthless, dickless scumbags. your friend may have meant that with better intentions than i'm giving him credit for.

[Brent]

that said, if a cop tells me to stop, i'll stop long enough to ask if i'm under arrest. then i'll tell him to piss off. if he wants to risk me owning his grandchildren to flex his *****, i'm all in.
dammit, you edited this before I could say something.

[bored of education]

stop and indentifying is somethign you have to do though or he has grounds of pursuing further. a cop stops and says have you seen this car or seen a guy wearing a shirt and shoes you cant tell him go **** yourself, that is getting in the way of his course of duty.

[njx9]

dammit, you edited this before I could say something.

it's still there, i just moved it to make more sense.

stop and indentifying is somethign you have to do though or he has grounds of pursuing further. a cop stops and says have you seen this car or seen a guy wearing a shirt and shoes you cant tell him go **** yourself, that is getting in the way of his course of duty.

i don't know that i fully buy into the ID precedent. but you're right, as it stands now, i would have to give a name if asked. if he asked if i'd seen anything, i would say no. the rest was more relevant were he questioning *me* instead of just asking for information.

[Ness]

stop and indentifying is somethign you have to do though or he has grounds of pursuing further. a cop stops and says have you seen this car or seen a guy wearing a shirt and shoes you cant tell him go **** yourself, that is getting in the way of his course of duty.

That's just putting your hand in the fire. I realize there are some bad cops out there, but there are a lot of them out there that still walk the path of decency. I treat people how I want to be treated. If I'm walking down the street and a cop asks me if I've seen a person or a car, I'll answer truthfully and go about my business. The end. Some people want to try and deliberately act like douchebags...of course they get a reality check afterward.

[Brent]

it's still there, i just moved it to make more sense.
Yeah, I was going to make a point about Terry, but I realize now that you were making a point I was going to make.

So, to phrase this whole rambling mess properly: my reading comprehension at the moment is way better than when I made that post.

[Rosebud]

What's going on in Seattle? Last year we had this classic:
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and now this.

[Draft King]

It's a ******* jaywalking arrest. No one's life is at stake. The cop is a dick, plain and simple.



lmao

He wasn't arresting her for jaywalking. He was questioning her about it, and she begun to get physical. Because no one's life is at stake when she starts to push a cop around, he should just let it slide??? Maybe he shouldn't have thrown the punch, it does look a little unprofessional, but I don't view him as a dick whatsoever.

[Draft King]

What's going on in Seattle? Last year we had this classic:
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and now this.

This one is just wrong. I don't condone this at all, she did nothing from what the video shows at least, to warrant being touched like that.

[regoob2]

I see nothing wrong with what the cop did. He was defending himself.

[bhaarat316]

I bet you same head line would have came up if he tazed her. 19 year old girl tazed for jay walking, are Seattle police using too much force?

[regoob2]

This one is just wrong. I don't condone this at all, she did nothing from what the video shows at least, to warrant being touched like that.
Yeah that was ****** up. He should be in jail for that.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

Some people are to ignorant to be reasoned with and she is one of them. The only other recourse is violence. Cops can be dickheads but she got what she deserved.

[Brent]

The only other recourse is violence
No, it is not.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

No, it is not.

Oh rly? Go on then. What was he gonna do put her in time out? She was clearly to ignorant to be reasoned with and had no intent on ever listening

[Brent]

Oh rly? Go on then. What was he gonna do put her in time out? She was clearly to ignorant to be reasoned with and had no intent on ever listening
He didn't have to hit her, not that it was out of reason, simply taking her down and cuffing her would have done the trick.

I'm not saying what he did was out of line, just that I feel he likely could have done what was necessary without punching her.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

He didn't have to hit her, not that it was out of reason, simply taking her down and cuffing her would have done the trick.

I'm not saying what he did was out of line, just that I feel he likely could have done what was necessary without punching her.

At that point i find it necessary to do whatever he feels he has to restrain her. Both women were attacking him an evidently the one in the black did not understand he was not ******* around. Hopefully people do not make this out to be a Rodney King incident. I feel he did not abuse his power in anyway.

[Halsey]

The cop overreacted, but it's still funny when people get hurt because they think they can f around with the police. If you have a problem with a police officer, don't try to be a tough guy/girl. Learn to handle issues like an adult or be tough in jail.

[Rosebud]

Know I don't want people to mistake me, I think most cops have way too much power and the law is hugely stacked in their favor, in large part because many situations that boil down to he said/she said well always go in the cops' favor. That said when you're clearly doing something wrong and a cop asks you to stop that's legit, that's you being a douche and so don't continue being a douche. I've had my issues with cops, yay court in the morning!, but most of them aren't that bad and if you're not a dick will try to not be dicks. But if you hit them straight with attitude when he has cause to give you a ticket, chicken-**** though it may be, the cops not going to be friendly and you'll have bruised his fragile ego...which is extremely bogus because what makes his ego so important other than the state approved gun he carries?...but this isn't that hard to deal with if you're just not a douche. So to conclude this rant ***** had it coming although the headline cop punches ***** for jay-walking seems awfully ridiculous.

[scottyboy]

well why the hell was she out of the kitchen?

[soybean]

Don't know if this was mentioned already but the Department is backing the officer up saying that it was the appropriate course of action in that scenario.

[jayceheathman]

I like how everyone is saying that he should have tazed her, and after every cop taze video goes viral on the net, everyone cries foul.

I hate tazers. Everyone thinks its a non-lethal form of constraining someone when you can easily die from them. Cops are SO quick to pull them out these days and shoot the person multiple times. Might as well pull out their Glock 26 and shoot the person.

[trkaline]

Id much rather get punched in the face than tazed...

[Rosebud]

I think every child should get tazed in school at least once just so they actually understand how much more getting tazed sucks than getting punched in the face. Plus, if you do it right, you can traumatize them for life so that they're terrified of the cops and so never do anything remotely close to illegal...

[locseti]

What a weak ass cop, he couldn't even get that girls hands behind her back? He should be relegated to a desk job because if he cant secure a 17 yr old female he isn't fit to be on the streets.

[vikes_28]

laughed hard at the title of this thread.

[Whistler6]

He's a cop, and both she and her friend started resisting and pushing on him. What else should he do? Taser? Billy club? Shoot her? I hate seeing **** like this, but in this case, I have to side with the cop's actions. Reading more into the situation, I think he was justified. Still, seeing a man jack a woman like that makes me cringe.

[Brown Leader]

The cop overreacted, but it's still funny when people get hurt because they think they can f around with the police. If you have a problem with a police officer, don't try to be a tough guy/girl. Learn to handle issues like an adult or be tough in jail.
This. It would be much funnier though if it was a dude and not a 17 yr old girl. Could have at least warned her she was about to get a fair one. Disrespect to anyone can result in head knock or worse.

[yo123]

I don't get the sympathy for the girl. Girls who think they can do whatever they want with no consequences are the most annoying people on the planet. She brought it upon herself.

[Brown Leader]

I don't get the sympathy for the girl. Girls who think they can do whatever they want with no consequences are the most annoying people on the planet. She brought it upon herself.

Still..I prefer the face palm/mug technique.

[villagewarrior]

The first video - my situation may be a little different, working in a prison as opposed to with a police department, but the officer was completely justified in my opinion. He is attempting to place the girl under arrest and the other chick jumped in. He is also seeing a crowd around him who you can tell are anti-police. He is carrying a lethal weapon, is he supposed to know that the girl isn't going to go for it? Or while he's wrestling with these two crazy females that one of the men isn't going to jump in? That's an extremely dangerous situation and he is authorized to put an end to it as quickly as possible.

The second video - technically speaking the girl assaulted the officer by kicking her shoe at him. But he did go too far, he already had her in the cell, just slam the door shut and let someone else deal with her. Forcing her into the wall and then punching her head twice was excessive and I can't imagine that turned out well for him.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Sweep the leg!

[The Dude Abides]

I loled..........

That's my avatar!

but anyhoo, being a police officer is hard, blah blah, deserve respct, blah blah blah


Even with all that said, they can't just have free reign to punch people. I'm sure he was taught many ways to resolve the situation other than becoming a lifelong member of the Smack-a-ho Tribe

[wogitalia]

Damn... just taze the *****.

Cop's should punch people, full stop, one punch can kill and it isn't worth the risk of that happening. You have tazers and mase for a reason, use it.

Cop is "at fault" because just being a cop doesn't give you the right to assault someone, or it shouldn't, ***** clearly is resisting arrest and causing a scene to go with the jaywalking. I wonder if she can get off on procedural crap though?

[XxXdragonXxX]

Damn... just taze the *****.

Cop's should punch people, full stop, one punch can kill and it isn't worth the risk of that happening. You have tazers and mase for a reason, use it.

Cop is "at fault" because just being a cop doesn't give you the right to assault someone, or it shouldn't, ***** clearly is resisting arrest and causing a scene to go with the jaywalking. I wonder if she can get off on procedural crap though?


Tazers can kill too, even more easily than punching.

I hate cops as much as the next guy, but those girls deserved everything they got. The cop was outnumbered, and had an angry crowd basically egging the girls on. He did what he thought was necessary to stop them from attacking him.

The only fault I can see in what the officer did is he couldn't get a freakin girl to the ground. What a pansy.

[XxXdragonXxX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&feature=player_embedded#!

[Addict]

why the hell was that cop alone? Isn't there some kinda rule that mandates at leat two officers of the law occupy a patrol vehicle? What the hell would he have been supposed to do if the crowd turned on him?

Anyway, ***** had it coming IMO. I mean, come on, the one in the dark shirt broke a law (jaywalking, I know, but still, it's a law) then turns her back on the cop? And then to make matters worse the friend decides to be a dumbass and jumps in? Man I woulda falcon punched both of them!

I mean really, how hard is it to show a basic level of respect to another human being? I know that cops can be a pain in the ass, but they're still people. You wouldn't believe the amount of tickets I should have gotten but didn't get because I show a little respect and politeness. Heck she could have gotten away with just a warning if she hadn't been so stupid. The pink one deserved what happened and the other one should have been punched just for associating with the pink one.

[Addict]

uj0mtxXEGE8&feature=player_embedded#

lemme fix that for ya.

[Addict]

mYE0OKrziok

I like this dude's take on the situation. I lol'd at 3:50.

funny vid. But why in the name of all that is holy is he holding an alarm clock? I do love how he repeats 'nip it in the bud'. Lawled hard.

[Ness]

Sweep the leg!

LOL man that was gold. Came at the right moment too. Good one.

[Shahin]

coming from a guy who really hates cops:

that ***** deserved that punch to the face. bitches should have respected his authority.

at the same time, what kind of weakass cop can't even restrain a teenage girl?

[Shahin]

You really should only have to give one solid verbal warning, something along the lines of, if you don't back up I'm going to pepper spray you, and that's all it takes(granted I couldn't hear very well if something like that happened).



That right there. I remember I was walking along one time and a cop came smashing up next to me, jumped out of his car and screamed "GET ON THE GROUND!" Obviously I'm not going to just throw myself on the ground so I put my hands up to show him i'm not going to try and funny **** and say "you need to calm down officer." Naturally this pisses him off even more so he yells again GET ON THE GROUND while putting his hand on his tazer.

I sat down.

[Addict]

coming from a guy who really hates cops:

that ***** deserved that punch to the face. bitches should have respected his authoritay.

at the same time, what kind of weakass cop can't even restrain a teenage girl?

I fixed it for you.

[trkaline]

That's my avatar!

but anyhoo, being a police officer is hard, blah blah, deserve respct, blah blah blah


Even with all that said, they can't just have free reign to punch people. I'm sure he was taught many ways to resolve the situation other than becoming a lifelong member of the Smack-a-ho Tribe

My bad.......

[Brent]

I fixed it for you.
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[nepg]

What a weak ass cop, he couldn't even get that girls hands behind her back? He should be relegated to a desk job because if he cant secure a 17 yr old female he isn't fit to be on the streets.
He was trying to arrest the first chick without hurting her or using too much force. Punching the other chick was justified 10000%. She went after him, and he defended himself. He had every right to slam the first chick to the ground, but he was being overly nice in trying not to hurt her.

[Vikes99ej]

Should I have tazed, but I respect what the cop did. That situation could have gotten even more out of control quickly. No racism intended, but one white cop in a group of a bunch of minorities can escalate into tension and chaos in a matter of seconds.

[badgerbacker]

Watched the video. Reaction? Man, people are freaking dumb. I wish it was more acceptable to punch people when they're acting like this. Both of them had it coming. I hope they both get charged with resisting arrest, assaulting an officer, and jaywalking.

[trkaline]

Yeah...I find watching anyone getting punched in the face funny...Whatever happened it already happened, not laughing doesn't change anything.

[Jvig43]

That right there. I remember I was walking along one time and a cop came smashing up next to me, jumped out of his car and screamed "GET ON THE GROUND!" Obviously I'm not going to just throw myself on the ground so I put my hands up to show him i'm not going to try and funny **** and say "you need to calm down officer." Naturally this pisses him off even more so he yells again GET ON THE GROUND while putting his hand on his tazer.

I sat down.

Whats the rest of this story?

[Brent]

AGAI4r3X6lk

goddamn that cop is weak. hit the gym brah!

[PackerLegend]

"Dont taze me bro" Thats all I keep thinking of lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XWijwmvGU4

wish I knew how to post youtube vids

[J-Mike88]

My thoughts on this:

#1- Remember the 4 cops near Seattle who were ambushed and killed last year in a donut store?

#2- The way this THE CENSORS punk acted certainly doesn't surprise me in the least bit. She's certainly not the minority, well she is, but what I mean is her attitude in certain cultures is not out of norm. I've seen it before, the ignorant defiance, the "rules don't apply to me" attitude.

#3- I actually was more surprised that none of the witnesses threatened the cop.

#4- And this is the worst part: I have a bad feeling that this AVOIDING THEM ISN'T COOL filthy girl is going to make some money out of this incident one way or another.
Has a lawsuit been filed yet or is Al Sharpton first trying to shakedown the police out of court or under the table?

[njx9]

My thoughts on this:

#1- Remember the 4 cops near Seattle who were ambushed and killed last year in a donut store?

non-sequitur. but cute fallacy.

#2- The way this THE CENSORS punk acted certainly doesn't surprise me in the least bit. She's certainly not the minority, well she is, but what I mean is her attitude in certain cultures is not out of norm. I've seen it before, the ignorant defiance, the "rules don't apply to me" attitude.

you're right. we should all be nice little sheep, like you.

#3- I actually was more surprised that none of the witnesses threatened the cop.

props. nice ad hom.

#4- And this is the worst part: I have a bad feeling that this AVOIDING THEM ISN'T COOL filthy girl is going to make some money out of this incident one way or another.
Has a lawsuit been filed yet or is Al Sharpton first trying to shakedown the police out of court or under the table?

she didn't look dirty to me. but another couple of cute ad homs.

i think your post is disgusting.

[datchapin]

Just wow. That second video was better. Do I think the cop was wrong in punching the second girl? Yes. Not for the act itself, but how he proceeded from there. Instead of punching her he should have tackled her to the ground and as he cuffed her in a loud voice said that he was arresting her for assaulting an officer. Instead he jaw jacks her and goes back to the friend. The other girl was still a threat. Yeah, the chicks were wrong, but the cop is supposed to be a professional and perform under pressure. It's like he forgot all his training in the heat of the moment. I think it's just sad because this video just shows ignorance throughout. The girls were dumb, but the officer also did a poor job of handling the situation.

[Addict]

i think your post is disgusting.

although I agree about the post, I can't really believe you don't see a problem with the way these girls act towards an officer of the law.

From your previous argument I get that you're not a big fan of cops, and I don't think anyon is besides cops, future cops and chicks who dig uniforms, but you gotta admit that the behaviour shown really was not ok even at just an interaction between human beings.

[Brent]

I just can't believe he was incapable of restraining her.

[njx9]

From your previous argument I get that you're not a big fan of cops, and I don't think anyon is besides cops, future cops and chicks who dig uniforms, but you gotta admit that the behaviour shown really was not ok even at just an interaction between human beings.

*shrug*

i wouldn't tend to put my hands on anyone. but i don't think being a cop imbues anyone with special privilege in that regard, and it's somewhat sad to me that people seem to think that it does or should.

[Addict]

*shrug*

i wouldn't tend to put my hands on anyone. but i don't think being a cop imbues anyone with special privilege in that regard, and it's somewhat sad to me that people seem to think that it does or should.

That's great but that doesn't answer the question: would you or would you not agree that the way those girls acted was out of line, even if we take into account the cop didn't do a very good job of handling the situation?

In other news: do we know where the hell his partner was at the time?

[bored of education]

The police officer did is job, ****** or not. jaywalking is illegal.

[bored of education]

the severity of the illegal act involved should not warrant a smaller use of force in attempting to subdue a person the officer of the law caught in the act that is illegal..especially when the peson who committed such act ..acted in an intolerable, resistful fashion

im going for the longest run on sentence

[Rosebud]

the severity of the illegal act involved should not warrant a smaller use of force in attempting to subdue a person the officer of the law caught in the act that is illegal..especially when the peson who committed such act ..acted in an intolerable, resistful fashion

im going for the longest run on sentence

***** was a *****, but I disagree with that. Simply because some drug cartel warrants a different handling than your common punk ass teenager. The girl deserved to be put down and charged with assaulting an officer, but had he pulled out his gun and shot her if she still kept acting a fool that would've been excessive.

[Addict]

The police officer did is job, ****** or not. jaywalking is illegal.

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/mb/hugh_jackman_hand_print_ceremony_3_210409/jay_leno_5282184.jpg

I knew it. He's in so much trouble when he comes to Arizona!

[njx9]

That's great but that doesn't answer the question: would you or would you not agree that the way those girls acted was out of line, even if we take into account the cop didn't do a very good job of handling the situation?

i'm quite sure it did answer the question. i think putting your hands on ANY other person is out of line.

i wouldn't tend to put my hands on anyone.

see? it was right there.

The police officer did is job, ****** or not. jaywalking is illegal.

i'm not sure anyone sane has disagreed with charging her with jaywalking.

[Addict]

i'm quite sure it did answer the question. i think putting your hands on ANY other person is out of line.


I'm sorry I thought that was a general statement as well as a comment on both cop and girl.

[steelersfan43]

Id rather be punched then tazed, tazers can really mess up your nerves and stuff.

[J-Mike88]

*shrug*

i wouldn't tend to put my hands on anyone. but i don't think being a cop imbues anyone with special privilege in that regard, and it's somewhat sad to me that people seem to think that it does or should.
If you think regular joe has the same exact rights, privileges, duties, job description, details as a police officer does, than you're solely mistaken.

If anyone who "dislikes cops", well that's just a classless broad generalization, blanket statement that I can't believe anyone would make.

If anyone has family or friends who are police officers, who go to work every day and put their life on the line, who have to risk their life to deal with the criminals and violent people who don't think twice about shooting people, they'd automatically have respect for cops. Everyone should respect the badge.

Sure, there are some bad apples. But there are some bad apples in every profession, from teachers to accountants to coaches, players, pastors, priests, etc. If you anyone hates the whole profession of police officers because of a few bad apples, then apply it to everthing then. Again, cops are the ones in the line of fire, bullets. Accountants and teachers aren't. Well teachers shouldn't be.

Dang Ron Artest.

[villagewarrior]

Its funny, nobody likes cops, but who are the first ones you call when you hear someone break into your house at night? Theres some bad apples in every profession, but there are no other professionals who have the same type of pressure as police officers, with the exception of the brave men and women of the Armed Services.

[J-Mike88]

Its funny, nobody likes cops, but who are the first ones you call when you hear someone break into your house at night? Theres some bad apples in every profession, but there are no other professionals who have the same type of pressure as police officers, with the exception of the brave men and women of the Armed Services.
Exactly.
These guys risk their lives and by doing so, make our country, city, streets safer than if they didn't do what they do.

Who here has had someone shoot at them in real life?

[Addict]

Its funny, nobody likes cops, but who are the first ones you call when you hear someone break into your house at night? Theres some bad apples in every profession, but there are no other professionals who have the same type of pressure as police officers, with the exception of the brave men and women of the Armed Services.

politicians. If you're talking pressure, some politicians have it pretty bad. I'm just saying.

[VUBlacknGold]

I wanna see a remix to the video like they did the slap chop, or just put the punch on replay and have the slap chop music in the background.

[Addict]

coming soon: the re-enactment!

Starring Chris Brown as Officer Ian Walsh

also starring:

Beyoncé as Mrs. Black Shirt
Rihanna as Mrs. Pink Shirt
Jay-Z as the guy with half a brain who tries to remove Mrs. Pink from the situation!

coming soon to theaters near you.

[nepg]

*shrug*

i wouldn't tend to put my hands on anyone. but i don't think being a cop imbues anyone with special privilege in that regard, and it's somewhat sad to me that people seem to think that it does or should.
Cops have to arrest people. This requires them to touch people and put handcuffs on them. It's their job. When someone attacks you, you're not going to defend yourself? I think the cop did an amazing job in not losing his cool after he punched her.

I don't understand what your argument is other than to argue...which you'll probably say you're not trying to argue in an attempt to start another argument. Because you're completely ignoring reality.

[njx9]

If you think regular joe has the same exact rights, privileges, duties, job description, details as a police officer does, than you're solely mistaken.

what difference, specifically, does my job description make in this context?

If anyone who "dislikes cops", well that's just a classless broad generalization, blanket statement that I can't believe anyone would make.

no, it's based on more years of dealing with them than you've been on earth. but nice try. i'm sorry that i have no respect for your brother/father/uncle/whoever until they actually earn it. putting on a little badge does not constitute earning it.

If anyone has family or friends who are police officers, who go to work every day and put their life on the line, who have to risk their life to deal with the criminals and violent people who don't think twice about shooting people, they'd automatically have respect for cops. Everyone should respect the badge.

ah, yes, appeal to emotion. that's always a winning strategy. because every cop is always dealing with so many violent offenders that we can hardly blame them when they do something terrible, or when they snap, or when they overuse force. i mean, it's the criminal's fault anyways.

Sure, there are some bad apples. But there are some bad apples in every profession, from teachers to accountants to coaches, players, pastors, priests, etc. If you anyone hates the whole profession of police officers because of a few bad apples, then apply it to everthing then. Again, cops are the ones in the line of fire, bullets. Accountants and teachers aren't. Well teachers shouldn't be.

fallacy. why would i apply the same standard to everything, based on YOUR bad analysis? but i'm sure you're father/brother/uncle/whatever is being shot at constantly, all day every day. i should really respect him without question.

Its funny, nobody likes cops, but who are the first ones you call when you hear someone break into your house at night? Theres some bad apples in every profession, but there are no other professionals who have the same type of pressure as police officers, with the exception of the brave men and women of the Armed Services.

i certainly don't call the police. i've actively called the fire department before. but epic generalization. i'm sure you thought you'd made a good point.

Who here has had someone shoot at them in real life?

i like that you still have issues with non-sequitur and with asking for irrelevant information. was the cop in the video being shot at?

[njx9]

Cops have to arrest people. This requires them to touch people and put handcuffs on them. It's their job. When someone attacks you, you're not going to defend yourself? I think the cop did an amazing job in not losing his cool after he punched her.

what does 1 have to do with 2, precisely? or did you just feel like stating obvious information? when i go to the doctor, they have to touch me, therefore, it justifies everything the cop did. right? i mean, that's essentially as stupid as what you just said.

I don't understand what your argument is other than to argue...which you'll probably say you're not trying to argue in an attempt to start another argument. Because you're completely ignoring reality.

no, you're completely failing to read my posts. my argument is and has been that the cop is a piece of **** and didn't need to punch the girl. but you'll probably just ignore that again in an attempt to bypass my argument so that you can make irrelevant ad hom attacks. awesome strategy.

[Addict]

Cops have to arrest people. This requires them to touch people and put handcuffs on them. It's their job. When someone attacks you, you're not going to defend yourself? I think the cop did an amazing job in not losing his cool after he punched her.

I don't understand what your argument is other than to argue...which you'll probably say you're not trying to argue in an attempt to start another argument. Because you're completely ignoring reality.

I know NJX already responded here, but I have a few minutes to spare, and I think I get what he's on about. (If I get it wrong he's a mod and he can totally make this post disappear....).

The thing is the argument that cops automatically deserve some kind of respect beyond the basic level one should have for all human beings. The argument put forth by many posters is that this cop is correct to act the way he does and has the right to do what he does because he is a cop. And that's not the way it works.

The badge isn't something that just adds to your respect. It ensures you have the protection of the state with you, sure. It shows you are a government officer, yes. But if you act like an a-hole than you don't deserve more respect just because you have a badge. It doesn't make you more right and it doesn't mean that you magically deserve more respect. You still neeed to earn that respect by not being an incapable insufferable idiot.

So there. That's what he's arguiing.

[badgerbacker]

no, you're completely failing to read my posts. my argument is and has been that the cop is a piece of **** and didn't need to punch the girl. but you'll probably just ignore that again in an attempt to bypass my argument so that you can make irrelevant ad hom attacks. awesome strategy.I can agree that the cop probably could have handled the situation without punching the girl. I find it interesting that while you have said you "don't agree with anybody putting their hands on anybody" or something like that, you continually focus on the cop being the "piece of ****" rather than the girls who were the ones who escalated the situation in the first place. Unless I'm reading the situation wrong, he wasn't violent or threatening when he approached her for jaywalking.

And edit after reading the thing about cops receiving respect...I don't think I've even taken that into account in what I'm saying about the girls being freaking dumb. I don't even want to talk about the cop/cops in general. I'm just talking about people who don't use common sense. Cops are going to typically assume the worst, so if people used common sense and just acted reasonably, stuff like this wouldn't happen.

To sum up...obviously neither party was "right" in this situation, but I think the girls were "more wrong," if that makes sense.

[nepg]

what does 1 have to do with 2, precisely? or did you just feel like stating obvious information? when i go to the doctor, they have to touch me, therefore, it justifies everything the cop did. right? i mean, that's essentially as stupid as what you just said.



no, you're completely failing to read my posts. my argument is and has been that the cop is a piece of **** and didn't need to punch the girl. but you'll probably just ignore that again in an attempt to bypass my argument so that you can make irrelevant ad hom attacks. awesome strategy.
Wow. The cop needed to do something about the girl who was attacking him while he was making an arrest very gently (he was being really nice to the girl he was arresting). Punching her was better for everyone involved than spraying pepper spray (which would have gotten on everyone there) or tazing her (which is far worse than a punch). Had he done nothing, the girl would have continued to attack him and try to interfere with the arrest. The punch worked great as the crowd backed off the cop and gave him space to do his job.

It sucks that she put herself and the cop in that situation by attacking him, but the cop did a fine job. From watching that clip and seeing the volatility of the situation, I'd say that that's a good cop.

I never ignored your arguments (unlike how you ignore everyone else's...or purposely left them out to make your argument look better), and my points are relative to each other very obviously (though you just want to continue to argue until no one feels like telling you how wrong you are anymore). Doctors' jobs aren't to physically restrain you and put handcufs on you if you resist. I also don't think doctors have people attacking them as they check your prostate or remove the lego from your nostril.

If I didn't know that you just want to argue for arguing's sake way past the point where you know you're completely wrong, I'd say you're a ****** with zero reading comprehension.

[J-Mike88]

Cops have to arrest people. This requires them to touch people and put handcuffs on them. It's their job. When someone attacks you, you're not going to defend yourself? I think the cop did an amazing job in not losing his cool after he punched her.

I don't understand what your argument is other than to argue...which you'll probably say you're not trying to argue in an attempt to start another argument. Because you're completely ignoring reality.

Well said.

it's based on more years of dealing with them than you've been on earth. but nice try.
What are you "dealing with them" all the time for?

Nice generalization, which A) is wrong and B) cops don't bother people who aren't doing anything wrong/suspicious/irritating, any more than a teacher bothers a student who's not bothering anyone. They have a job to do, and believe me, you're not as important as you think you are so they have no reason to go out of their way, waste their time, just to spend on you so that you have to deal with you. Nice try.

A student who just does his work, quietly, respectfully, abides by the rules will almost never be bothered by the professor/teacher. But there are a few teachers who do make bad calls, slight someone on an essay, or take the wrong side in a student-dispute and punish the wrong kid. Does that paint all teachers bad then if I have had to deal with a couple bad teachers over the years?

I've had my drivers license for longer than most of our members here have been alive, and have never had to deal with a cop other than a half dozen + traffic stops, which I deserved.
And I admit for every stop I have gotten, I have probably sped 1000 times that they didn't stop me for.

I did get one BS ticket, not speeding.... but I kind of deserved it, but the guy still should not have given me a ticket.
Still, I don't paint the whole police over this one jerk's ego or incorrect decision.

Now, this cop certainly wasn't perfect, far from it. And usually jaywalking isn't worth this mess, this risk. But as locals here have pointed out, THAT particular area/street is a different story and has been asked to be a point of emphasis by the area residents.

But to act like the stupid, disrespectful girl's actions aren't as bad as his? That's just assenine and a sad reflection of the lack of respect for the men & women who wear badges in this country and actually risk their lives to protect society. Cops & robbers may be a game to some, but it's real life to most.

Luckily, most people in our forum agree.

[Brent]

Its funny, nobody likes cops, but who are the first ones you call when you hear someone break into your house at night?
Not in this state.

[Addict]

Not in this state.

I do actually, but cops out here wouldn't dream of punching anyone. And they are never alone making any kind of arrest. Always two. Europe is kinda awesome like that.

[Brent]

Always two.
****, people here would lose their minds if their taxes were raised, even for something as basic as more police officers. Hell, they dont even like when taxes are raised to help out their own children's schools. Where I live, they moved having mostly motorcycle cops because they use less gas & there are very rarely arrests, just a ******** of tickets.

[yourfavestoner]

Well said.


What are you "dealing with them" all the time for?

Nice generalization, which A) is wrong and B) cops don't bother people who aren't doing anything wrong/suspicious/irritating, any more than a teacher bothers a student who's not bothering anyone. They have a job to do, and believe me, you're not as important as you think you are so they have no reason to go out of their way, waste their time, just to spend on you so that you have to deal with you. Nice try.

A student who just does his work, quietly, respectfully, abides by the rules will almost never be bothered by the professor/teacher. But there are a few teachers who do make bad calls, slight someone on an essay, or take the wrong side in a student-dispute and punish the wrong kid. Does that paint all teachers bad then if I have had to deal with a couple bad teachers over the years?

I've had my drivers license for longer than most of our members here have been alive, and have never had to deal with a cop other than a half dozen + traffic stops, which I deserved.
And I admit for every stop I have gotten, I have probably sped 1000 times that they didn't stop me for.

I did get one BS ticket, not speeding.... but I kind of deserved it, but the guy still should not have given me a ticket.
Still, I don't paint the whole police over this one jerk's ego or incorrect decision.

Now, this cop certainly wasn't perfect, far from it. And usually jaywalking isn't worth this mess, this risk. But as locals here have pointed out, THAT particular area/street is a different story and has been asked to be a point of emphasis by the area residents.

But to act like the stupid, disrespectful girl's actions aren't as bad as his? That's just assenine and a sad reflection of the lack of respect for the men & women who wear badges in this country and actually risk their lives to protect society. Cops & robbers may be a game to some, but it's real life to most.

Luckily, most people in our forum agree.

Lol, this is wrong in so many ways. Especially the first bolded part. I'm assuming you've never had to deal with a suburbian cop who has absolutely nothing to do all day except harrass the taxpayers who are already paying his salary.

My dad's a cop, too. And he's always told me the same thing. Know your rights, because cops hate people who actually know the laws and their rights because they can't intimidate them. Also, he's said the reason why they're held to such a high standard, and why a few bad apples can ruin the whole group, is because of how much power and influence they wield over your life. They keep for getting that they're a service industry as much as a protection industry. It's a cliche, but with great power comes great responsibility.

Big city police depts. keep whining about how understaffed they are. I've got a solution. Move all the ******* suburbian cops and county sherriffs, and actually put them where they're ******* needed, so they're not getting paid to harrass the people paying their salaries.

[Brent]

Big city police depts. keep whining about how understaffed they are. I've got a solution. Move all the ******* suburbian cops and county sherriffs, and actually put them where they're ******* needed, so they're not getting paid to harrass the people paying their salaries.
If I'm a cop in a nice upper-middle class suburb, the last ******* place I want to work is an urban area. Why go from doing nothing but issuing traffic violations to potentially getting stabbed/shot by some drug user or gang member?

[dabears10]

If I'm a cop in a nice upper-middle class suburb, the last ******* place I want to work is an urban area. Why go from doing nothing but issuing traffic violations to potentially getting stabbed/shot by some drug user or gang member?

You probably also wouldn't be the **** who is giving out chicken **** tickets for no front license plate or no city sticker.

Those guys think they are serpico or some bull **** and maybe they think they want to be 'in the action'.

[CJSchneider]

You probably also wouldn't be the **** who is giving out chicken **** tickets for no front license plate or no city sticker.

Those guys think they are serpico or some bull **** and maybe they think they want to be 'in the action'.

Now you're blaming a cop for a decision a legislator made.

[dabears10]

Now you're blaming a cop for a decision a legislator made.

Well I understand giving them out in addition to another violation, namely a moving violation, but to pull some one over to check for a city sticker or because they don't have a front license plate is not really under the mantra "To Protect and Serve".

[Brent]

Well I understand giving them out in addition to another violation, namely a moving violation, but to pull some one over to check for a city sticker or because they don't have a front license plate is not really under the mantra "To Protect and Serve".
Just about every city's PD is required to meet certain revenue goals. People are always breaking the law (see: Limit, Speed), they just have to catch people.

There is always going to be department/city/county pressure to meet certain goals.

[CJSchneider]

I'm surely not going to argue that point, but somebody with higher political authority is responsible for that, not your average police officer.

[yourfavestoner]

If I'm a cop in a nice upper-middle class suburb, the last ******* place I want to work is an urban area. Why go from doing nothing but issuing traffic violations to potentially getting stabbed/shot by some drug user or gang member?

I don't really care what the cop wants, as his job is to do what he's told anyways. The problem comes from the suburbs signing stupid, outrageous, overpriced contracts with county sherriff departments or forming their own overstaffed police departments. They are using taxpayers money to drain even more money from the taxpayers.

That's all I honestly look at suburban police/sherriffs. They're revenue generators for the city/county, and this money comes from enforcing non-violent, victimless infractions. They serve no other real purpose than this.

I'm not blaming the cop for enforcing a law that he didn't make. I've been around police officers my whole life, and I've come to the conclusion that there are only three distinct personality types:
a. guys who genuinely care about their communities, and want to help better them
b. sociopaths who get off on the position of authority they wield. couple this with the "us vs them" mentality installed during their training, and it's not hard to figure out why the police usually have such poor relations with the people they're "protecting and serving"
c. people who want to carry a gun and hope for the day to be able to use it

Sorry if those sound like over-generalizations. But like I said, I was raised by a cop. I've been around them my entire life. I usually wouldn't find it funny when they'd tell the stories of DUIs they've given, and would proceed to leave our house and drive home absolutely plastered at two in the morning.

Also, can the cities/counties stop sending out two fire trucks and an ambulance every time an old lady falls or something equally stupid. Do we really need to have teams and teams of firefighters being paid to be on call at all times other than in the summer?

And people wonder why there's no money. There's plenty of it, it just all gets wasted.

[CJSchneider]

Just about every city's PD is required to meet certain revenue goals. People are always breaking the law (see: Limit, Speed), they just have to catch people.

There is always going to be department/city/county pressure to meet certain goals.

Agreed, and there is a dynamic that is created with this that causes more problems than you can imagine.

[Brent]

That's all I honestly look at suburban police/sheriffs. They're revenue generators for the city/county, and this money comes from enforcing non-violent, victimless infractions. They serve no other real purpose than this.
I won't argue with you on that point. I am just pointing something out to dabears. I don't fault the police officer for doing what someone above him/her instructs. He/she has got to keep his/her job one way or another.

[CJSchneider]

I don't really care what the cop wants, as his job is to do what he's told anyways. The problem comes from the suburbs signing stupid, outrageous, overpriced contracts with county sherriff departments or forming their own overstaffed police departments. They are using taxpayers money to drain even more money from the taxpayers.

That's all I honestly look at suburban police/sherriffs. They're revenue generators for the city/county, and this money comes from enforcing non-violent, victimless infractions. They serve no other real purpose than this.

Also, can the cities/counties stop sending out two fire trucks and an ambulance every time an old lady falls or something equally stupid. Do we really need to have teams and teams of firefighters being paid to be on call at all times other than in the summer?

And people wonder why there's no money. There's plenty of it, it just all gets wasted.

You need to read Fixing Broken Windows: Restoring Order and Reducing Crime in Our Communities, by George L. Kelling. His theory is exactly why people are pulled ovber for non-violent offenses.

[The_Dude]

just watched this video for the first time.

the girls were totally in the wrong, the cop totally overreacted, and the result was hilarious

[The Unseen]

I won't argue with you on that point. I am just pointing something out to dabears. I don't fault the police officer for doing what someone above him/her instructs. He/she has got to keep his/her job one way or another.

Unless what they are instructed to do is totally unknown to those who sign up to be cops, I disagree. If you find a certain practice cops do to be questionable (at least significantly questionable, not ticky-tacky things), and you knowingly sign up to be a cop, you can't say "my higher-ups said so." Either resign or take fault.

[bored of education]

njx can i come punch you in the face ?

[njx9]

other things to respond to later but...

I find it interesting that while you have said you "don't agree with anybody putting their hands on anybody" or something like that, you continually focus on the cop being the "piece of ****" rather than the girls who were the ones who escalated the situation in the first place.

to be honest, i figured that was well covered already. but if it needs saying, i think the girl who pushed the cop was a ******* moron and shouldn't have pushed the cop.

njx can i come punch you in the face ?

sure thing. i almost certainly have it coming (shouldn't be read as sarcasm).

[bored of education]

I didn't read that as sarcasm