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Ozzy
06-21-2010, 10:28 AM
Here is what I think could be the top 12 defensive units for the up coming 2010 college football season. It is based off of incoming talent and production they had last year, plus returning starters. And let us be honest, the best teams last season had the best defenses, so do not say it does not matter, it means absolutely everything.


Many will argue Iowa being that high, but I see it as last year UNC was supposed to be gang busters and be a great defense and team overall last season. But it did not turn out that way, they underachieved and rarely match their hype they get. I see Iowa as a consistent well coached team and well coached defense with probably the best defensive line in college football coming back. Ontop of that they have more consistent depth as well, so that is why I have it the way it is, clearly though things can change and new players can emerge as the year goes on.





1)http://haymanservices.com/yahoo_site_admin2/assets/images/61-61232_ncaa_iowa_hawkeyes_logo_prod.157201101.jpg
Was a great group last year and if they fill some voids at linebacker and cornerback they could be even better than last year. That dominating defensive line is all back and they should be even better this season. Those two fine deep safeties really help them as well.
DE Clayborn
DT Klug
DT Ballard
DE Binns
OLB Nielsen
ILB T. Johnson, Coleman
OLB Hunter
CB Prater
CB Bernstine
SS Sash
FS Greenwood






2) http://www.freelogovector.com/gallery/n/tub/North-Carolina-Tar-Heels-NCAA.jpg
Talent wise no other groups are better, however consistency is the issue. Have real stars on the defensive line and if they play up to their potential they will be a great defense. Have arguably some of the best defensive backs in the country and have great linebackers. If all positions click and reach their potential they can easily be the best defensive unit.
DE Quinn
DT
DT Austin
DE McAdoo
OLB Sturdivant
ILB Reddick
OLB Carter
CB Burney
CB C. Brown
SS Searcy
FS D. Williams






3) http://images.coolchaser.com/themes/t/413133-i182.photobucket.com-albums-x116-NightmareWolf_BloodBath-Alabama_Logo2.jpg
Could be a lot higher but their corners are the question mark at this point. Also losing Cody in the middle will be a change as well, still Saban always has big, strong fast athletes and I am sure they will be another fine unit this season. If those talented young corners play up to their potential, watch out. Dareus will dominate on the defensive line and Hightower could be awesome if he comes back strong after the injury.
DE Dareus
DT Chapman
DE
OLB Upshaw
ILB Hightower
ILB N. Johnson
OLB DeJohn
CB Kirkpatrick*
CB Milliner*
SS Barron
FS






4) http://images.coolchaser.com/themes/t/411467-www.kickoffzone.com-articles-images-OhioState_Logo1.jpg
Very talented group, will have to equal the production last years defensive line had however. Great group of linebackers, just outstanding, and their safeties are very talented as well, corners are not as strong as years past but at least they have experience. If Heyward has a big year on the line however, he could really make them a great defense.
DE N. Williams
DT Larimore
DT Simon
DE Heyward
OLB Homan
ILB B. Rolle
OLB E. Sabino
CB Chekwa
CB Torrence
SS J. Hines
FS Moeller






5) http://th275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/jeffclark533/th_image_USC_logo.jpg
Obviously a talented group, the linebackers must play up to their potential and if the do they could be really good. The defensive line, pretty much the same thing, have to play up to their potential, Casey and Perry are big time stars. The corners will make the defense go, if they play the way they are capable of playing it could be another great USC defense.
DE Perry
DT Casey
DT Tupou
DE M. Jackson, Armstead
OLB Morgan
ILB Galippo
OLB Kennard, M. Smith
CB TJ Bryant
CB S. Wright
SS McAllister
FS






6) http://images.sundaymorningqb.com/images/admin/Texas_logo.jpg
As I said before they will have to fill a big void left by Kindle and Houston. If those freshman can do it they will be fine though, but will wait and see. Easily have the best defensive backs in the country and that will allow them to do a lot up front regardless of who is there. Robinson is a great linebacker and if they can get some better play out of a few more backers that would really help them.
DE Acho
DT
DT
DE Jeffcoat*, Wilson*
OLB K. Robinson, Hicks*
ILB
OLB Norton, Acho
CB Ch. Brown, Beasley
CB A. Williams, Cu. Brown
SS Brewster, Cobbs*
FS Gideon






7) http://www.collegerag.org/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/miami_fl-logo2.gif
Really talented group but who knows how they perform. Linebackers are outstanding but Brown is a question mark at this point and McCarthy needs to stay healthy, Spence is a star though. The defensive line has to play great however, Bailey has to dominate and they need to get more push from the tackles. The defensive backs under achieved as well last year, but they have great talent at corner and safety. If they put it all together they could easily be a top three defensive unit.
DE Bailey
DT Holmes
DT Forston
DE Robinson
OLB Spence, Buchanan
ILB Brown
OLB McCarthy
CB Harris
CB Van Dyke
SS Armstrong
FS Telemaque, Nicolas







8 http://www.golfjoy.com/images/collegiate/logos/nebraska.jpg
Lost a lot off last years defense, but still should have a great defensive line with Crick being the main stay. The linebackers are the biggest question mark, they have talent but will have to prove a lot, if they do they will be a fine defense. The defensive backs are deep and experienced, lost two fine safeties but have a lot of players that can make plays and have seen game action. Plus their two corners are outstanding.
DE P. Allen
DT Crick
DT Steinkuhler
DE
OLB Fisher
ILB Compton
OLB May
CB Amukamara
CB Dennard
SS Hagg
FS Gomes






9) http://www.floormatshop.com/NCAA-Logo-Floor-Mats/South-Carolina-NCAA-College-Logo-Floor-Mats/University-of-South-Carolina-Logo-Floor-Mats.gif
Linebacker is the only group without real stars, have fast linebackers but Jeffery is the only really talented one. They have a lot of solid players and if they pick up their game they could be just great. Good defensive line led by Matthews and Ajiboye, Taylor should be a fine player as well. The defensive backs are outstanding, Gilmore is one of the best corners and Culliver is one of the best safeties, they have great depth at those positions as well. Potentially they could be one of the best defenses in the SEC and that is saying a lot.
DE Matthews
DT Ajiboye
DT Robertson
DE Taylor
OLB Jeffery
ILB Paulk
OLB S. Wilson
CB Gilmore
CB Auguste, Whitlock
SS Holloman
FS Culliver






10) http://www.golfjoy.com/images/collegiate/logos/florida.jpg
A lot depends on the production of their defensive line, have a lot of talented players but they have to produce. At linebacker Hicks will be a great player and they have some experienced behind him, but again all depends on the defensive line. The defensive backs lost Haden but still have Jenkins a fine corner and two great safeties, Black is a star and Hill has tons of potential.
DE Trattou
DT Marsh, Easley*
DT Sanders, Howard
DE Powell*
OLB Hicks
ILB Jones
OLB Edwards, Doe
CB Jenkins
CB
SS Black
FS Hill






11) http://www.whatifsports.com/images/logos/ncaab/clemson.gif
Not a really deep group but they have star players, the defensive backs are outstanding, two of the best safeties in the land with McDaniel and Hall. Gilchrist is a fine corner as well. At linebacker Maye will carry the load and the defensive line has very talented players with Bowers and Jenkins. If they can get some more depth they will be a great unit.
DE Bowers
DT
DT Jenkins
DE
OLB Cooper
ILB Maye
OLB
CB Gilchrist
CB Maxwell
SS McDaniel
FS Hall






12) http://www.red24bags.com/images/C/OREGON_logo.gif
Should be a fine group, especially if Rowe plays up to his potential as a pass rusher. The linebackers are solid led by Paysinger and Matthews, they got good speed. The defensive backs should be good, Harris will be a star at corner, and Boyett is an experienced young safety. If they fill a few more holes they could be a solid defense.
DE Rowe
DT Bair
DT
DE
OLB Paysinger
ILB Matthews
OLB
CB C. Harris
CB Jackson
SS Boyett
FS

thenewfeature06
06-21-2010, 10:37 AM
For UNC the other DT will probably be Tydreke Powell and Quan is the ILB while Reddick/Zach Brown will be on the outside.

Didn't Iowa lose Pat Angerer and AJ Edds?

iowatreat54
06-21-2010, 10:46 AM
Yea, Iowa lost Angerer and Edds, but Hunter is returning as the 2nd leading tackler on the team last year. And Iowa also tends to fill in at LB without too much of a drop off usually.

I'm more worried about our CBs. Losing Spievey really hurt, and if we have weaker CBs this year it'll really hurt the D all over. Sash and Greenwood will be much more spread out to compensate. We'll see. I'm not worried about the front 7 really at all.

Ozzy
06-21-2010, 11:45 AM
For UNC the other DT will probably be Tydreke Powell and Quan is the ILB while Reddick/Zach Brown will be on the outside.

Didn't Iowa lose Pat Angerer and AJ Edds?I know, I only listed starters that I was impressed with when I saw them play. I hope they can live up to their potential but I sure know they did not last year.


Yea, Iowa lost Angerer and Edds, but Hunter is returning as the 2nd leading tackler on the team last year. And Iowa also tends to fill in at LB without too much of a drop off usually.

I'm more worried about our CBs. Losing Spievey really hurt, and if we have weaker CBs this year it'll really hurt the D all over. Sash and Greenwood will be much more spread out to compensate. We'll see. I'm not worried about the front 7 really at all.True but there are worse secondaries around the nation, note Pittsburgh, who would be on this list but their secondary is awful, or at least it was last year and that was with Berry at corner, now they have no real proven players back there. Iowa at least has those safeties, if they did not they might not be even top 8 on this list because it would weaken the unit as a hole a great deal. In my view if you have good corners or good safeties that can make up for weaker alternate positions.

Agreed, the linebackers never seem to be an issue for them, but if they do not play at a high level that will greatly decrease this defense, which I doubt but still.

I am not all that familiar with the corners they have, but some might have developed, and still the front four is the reason that defense is great anyway.

iowatreat54
06-21-2010, 11:54 AM
Yea, not to say that Iowa's secondary is in terrible shape, just in general as an Iowa fan that I'm more concerned with our CBs going froward than with restocking our LBs.

As for CB, we have Shaun Prater returning who was #2 last year, and Jordan Bernstine who was #2 in 2008 before missing 09 with an injury. Now, both played at the very least competently when they were #2, but they also had Spievey, Sash, and 09 Greenwood. How either would do as a #1 is up in the air, especially since both have shown lapses in judgement/ability, but that may have just been inexperience. Also, Prater likes to partake in off the field activities that don't win him points with the coaching staff.

Other than that, sophomore Micah Hyde is supposedly pushing for a starting spot. When he was recruited last year, I read a lot of OSU fans congradulate Iowa on landing him as he was a real sleeper and OSU really had no room for him. He's incredibly athletic, but raw at CB, and in limited action last year showed a lot of potential.

So, while we do have 2 returning CBs with full seasons as starters, it's still remains to be seen if either can handle the job as a #1. Right now, neither are close to being lockdown, or even true #1s imo. But having 2 solid #2s is a good thing, even if it may not be ideal vs. teams with legit #1 WRs (Wisconsin, OSU).

RealityCheck
06-21-2010, 12:44 PM
1 - McAdoo will back up Coples
2 - Sturdivant will play ILB
3 - Zach Brown will start at OLB opposite Carter
4 - Tydreke Powell will start at DT opposite Austin
5 - UNC > Iowa.

Ozzy
06-21-2010, 01:07 PM
1 - McAdoo will back up Coples
2 - Sturdivant will play ILB
3 - Zach Brown will start at OLB opposite Carter
4 - Tydreke Powell will start at DT opposite Austin
5 - UNC > Iowa.Forgive me but I believe you opinion might be a little biased ;o)

Just kidding, I hope they are that good but we will see, I thought similar things last year and they were average at best despite a few standout performers. Would not surprise me at all if Quinn underachieves this year based on all the attention and love he is getting, and Austin technically has always underachieved.

With the Iowa kids, I doubt that happens, rarely do they not maximize their ability based on years past, and overall they do have a better defensive line that is more consistent. Defensive backs UNC clearly has the advantage however.

Putting things into perspective, UNC back in 2000 their defense had quite the talented collection of players as well

DE J. Peppers
DT Ryan Sims
DT
DE Chapman
OLB S. Hodge
ILB B. Spoon
OLB Monk
CB M. Waddell
CB E. Hood
SS D. Reid
FS

I loved Reid at safety, Hood and Waddell had great athletic potential at corner. The linebackers were very solid, Hodge could really run and Spoon was really good in the middle. Then you have Peppers and Sims who arguably are better than Quinn and Austin. I doubt Quinn at his peak in the NFL can reach the level of success Pepper had early in his career.

So it is nothing new UNC having a fine defense, again this years DBs are great but as a hole they usually under achieve as a team and sometimes as a defense because more often than not the offense is not up to par.

TACKLE
06-21-2010, 02:33 PM
Do http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wuvnoN9wLUI/S5ihflUufUI/AAAAAAAAAh8/8PWL8Q0P0K0/s200/miami+fl+logo.gif know who else has had some impressive defensive talent since 2000? http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif


Nice list and a good read. For the most part, I pretty much agree with it. One thing, Arthur Brown no longer goes to Miami. Senior Kylan Robinson will be the starter. But this is his first year starting so he too may have some question marks.

Ozzy
06-21-2010, 02:46 PM
Nice list and a good read. For the most part, I pretty much agree with it. One thing, Arthur Brown no longer goes to Miami. Senior Kylan Robinson will be the starter. But this is his first year starting so he too may have some question marks.Oh really? That is too bad...that is a big loss for them potentially. Hope they can play well though, I must say Miami has had an flat out awful defensive and offensive line the past few years, when in their hay day as you speak, the 2000's they had great defensive and offensive lines. That should make or break the team, heck Wisconsin killed them last year on both offensive and defensive fronts, that was sad to watch.


Do know who else has had some impressive defensive talent since 2000?Yes I do, I have a signed mimi helment from that Hurricanes starting defensive unit.

draftguru151
06-21-2010, 02:58 PM
Forston and Robinson might not be in the 2 deep this year, neither have a chance at starting and Jojo is the 5th best safety on the team when he isn't hurt.

scottyboy
06-21-2010, 03:09 PM
http://blog.nj.com/jerseyblogs/2008/07/medium_medium_schianowaves.jpg

Oh, HAI! watch me turn a group of good, but not great players into a masterful defense and win championships

tjsunstein
06-21-2010, 03:17 PM
I'd take Oklahoma's D over Oregon. I'm not sure USC is top 5 either.

Ozzy
06-21-2010, 03:35 PM
tjsunstein I'd take Oklahoma's D over Oregon. I'm not sure USC is top 5 either.True, Oklahoma has some talented defensive lineman, but let us be honest Taylor is not where near the likes of a McCoy. Beal is a star though but Alexander is an underachiever, however if Chaisson plays well they will be fine. At linebacker Lewis is great and Box is ok but the rest are question marks. Main reason I do not have them on the list, same with Pitt is because of that suspect secondary. Not a fan of their safeties at all, and they lost easily their best two corners and the guys backing them up I know nothing about. Sure they could be a fine defense, but again the question marks with the defensive backfield is where I draw the line.

As for USC, yes if their linebackers underachieve and those corners are no good, then yes not a top 5 defense but if Bryant and Wright are as good as I think they could be, they could be a great defense because of those two possibly.



scottyboy

Oh, HAI! watch me turn a group of good, but not great players into a masterful defense and win championshipsMaybe but losing Munoz, McCourty, Kitchen, D'Imperio, George Johnson will be way too much for them to come back from.

Do have Lefeged, Freeny and Francis coming back and a few ok linebackers but seriously McCourty was by far their best and only really good corner back and Johnson was a fine pass rusher. Will see but I doubt they rebound all that great compared to last years defense.


draftguru151 Forston and Robinson might not be in the 2 deep this year, neither have a chance at starting and Jojo is the 5th best safety on the team when he isn't hurt.We will see, they sure do need a far better defensive line, I know that much. As for the safeties, well Miami always says they have all these great safeties but when it comes to game play few show up at a consistently high level. Hopefully this year they do.

Don Vito
06-21-2010, 04:36 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/v3/01-01-2010.ns_01Kentrell_Lockett.GFB2OCU51.1.jpg

http://theredzonereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/powe1.jpg

http://media.gulflive.com/mississippi-press-sports/photo/sunday-mullins-awardjpg-d45c8150d5b45bf2_large.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/66/661194.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0909/cfb.top.25.week3/images/5.mississippi.shackelford.jpg

http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2009/10/17/BLole4_t607.JPG

http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics10/200/HZ/HZVVSGKPEYNEIFZ.20090428200134.jpg

http://media.al.com/alphotos/photo/-430a02fafa79927f_custom_665xauto.jpg

http://www.ourhonordefend.com/wp-content/uploads/olemiss_gatorchomp.jpg

At least respect it, Chris Low does-

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec

iowatreat54
06-21-2010, 04:40 PM
You mean Chris Low, the SEC Blogger?

That's like saying Adam Rittenberg thinks Iowa's D is the best in the country.

Ozzy
06-21-2010, 04:48 PM
Don Vito
At least respect it, Chris Low does-
Why? Powe is a fine player I will give them that, and Lockett is ok but is no way better than Hardy. They also lose Tillman off that front. Then you have the fact they lose their top two corners in Green and Vaughn, and lose easily their best safety in Lewis. How in the world again will they be a top defense in the nation? Just cause they have Powe in the middle? Ok Walker is an ok linebacker but nothing amazing in my opinion. I find it very hard to believe this unit can be better than last year, and even last year they performed average at best, they were not tops in the nation by any means.

South Carolina has such a far superior defense when compared to Ole Miss, and that is just taking into consideration returning starters, again that which Ole Miss has very few in my opinion.

scottyboy
06-21-2010, 08:59 PM
Maybe but losing Munoz, McCourty, Kitchen, D'Imperio, George Johnson will be way too much for them to come back from.

Do have Lefeged, Freeny and Francis coming back and a few ok linebackers but seriously McCourty was by far their best and only really good corner back and Johnson was a fine pass rusher. Will see but I doubt they rebound all that great compared to last years defense.

McCourty will be the big loss, no doubt. But we're perfectly fine at LB, despite losing D and Damaso. Johnson will be replaced by Freeny nicely. Hopefully our young CB's step up and fill the massive shoes of McCourty

Hines
06-21-2010, 09:05 PM
No love for Penn State's D? They're consistantly in the top 10 in defense.

Ozzy
06-21-2010, 09:29 PM
No love for Penn State's D? They're consistantly in the top 10 in defense.To many question marks and not enough returning stars. Have a few good players but at this time to me not enough to make them an elite defense unit. Note statistics were not taken into account in this, it was just baseline talent position by position, any big school can play small schools and improve their overall defensive statistics because of it. It is about players returning not statistics defensively.

bwillie26
06-22-2010, 01:09 AM
Nebraska's base defense isn't a 4-3, as we barely go into any 3 LB sets. More often we are in a nickel or dime as our base, which we ran almost exclusively by the time conference play rolled around.

Matt May will likely never see the field, and Sean Fisher won't see much either. Our top two LBs as of right now are Will Compton and Eric Martin, and not far behind is Alonzo Whaley.

Gomes and Hagg will be all over the field as well. Hagg will be the 3rd corner in our nickel, and Gomes will be the 4th corner in our dime packages. PJ Smith will likely be the SS, while Austin Cassidy and Rickey Thenarse fight it out for the other safety position in our dime package.

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 09:42 AM
bwillie26 Nebraska's base defense isn't a 4-3, as we barely go into any 3 LB sets. More often we are in a nickel or dime as our base, which we ran almost exclusively by the time conference play rolled around.

Matt May will likely never see the field, and Sean Fisher won't see much either. Our top two LBs as of right now are Will Compton and Eric Martin, and not far behind is Alonzo Whaley.

Gomes and Hagg will be all over the field as well. Hagg will be the 3rd corner in our nickel, and Gomes will be the 4th corner in our dime packages. PJ Smith will likely be the SS, while Austin Cassidy and Rickey Thenarse fight it out for the other safety position in our dime package.True, but I believe that is more to do with their lack of linebackers, regardless I really like the potential Fisher has as a linebacker and I like Compton as well, if these other guys are better great but we will see. Yes Gomes and Hagg are fine players, played a lot last year and will do the same this year, as for Cassidy, Smith and Thenarse I know very little about them.

Odd thing is you compare last years defense to the 2004 LSU defense, it is the same thing, outstanding defensive line, great defensive backs that are deep and pretty suspect linebacker play outside of maybe one linebacker. Clearly that is the way Bo and Will want it and it really does work quite well for Nebraska and Texas last year even without standout linebackers.

bwillie26
06-22-2010, 08:52 PM
True, but I believe that is more to do with their lack of linebackers, regardless I really like the potential Fisher has as a linebacker and I like Compton as well, if these other guys are better great but we will see. Yes Gomes and Hagg are fine players, played a lot last year and will do the same this year, as for Cassidy, Smith and Thenarse I know very little about them.

Odd thing is you compare last years defense to the 2004 LSU defense, it is the same thing, outstanding defensive line, great defensive backs that are deep and pretty suspect linebacker play outside of maybe one linebacker. Clearly that is the way Bo and Will want it and it really does work quite well for Nebraska and Texas last year even without standout linebackers.

No, it has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of LBs, as Bo has even stated. It has everything to do with Bo adjusting to the numerous spread attacks in the B12. Having a 4-3 as your base in the B12 is basically senseless, as you are not very often going to use it.

Every team Nebraska played in the B12 ran the spread, or a variation, while Nebraska was in conference play.

You are right though, Nebraska did this out of necessity. Only the necessity to match up personnel versus an offense that the conference we are currently in has went to almost exclusively.

And I didn't bring up the '04 LSU defense, nor did I make a comparison.

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 11:39 PM
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of LBs, as Bo has even stated. It has everything to do with Bo adjusting to the numerous spread attacks in the B12. Having a 4-3 as your base in the B12 is basically senseless, as you are not very often going to use it.

Every team Nebraska played in the B12 ran the spread, or a variation, while Nebraska was in conference play.

You are right though, Nebraska did this out of necessity. Only the necessity to match up personnel versus an offense that the conference we are currently in has went to almost exclusively.

And I didn't bring up the '04 LSU defense, nor did I make a comparison.True but that is recruiting and who he recruits and who he brings in. If they had players like Greg Jones, Sean Spence, or Michael Morgan you better believe they would be playing a base 4/3, still look at the roster they have no linebackers, mostly because I doubt they focus on recruiting many. But yes that is why they play nickle, of course, to play against the spread.

But if they had better linebackers I bet they would play a 4/3 more often.

bwillie26
06-23-2010, 02:00 AM
True but that is recruiting and who he recruits and who he brings in. If they had players like Greg Jones, Sean Spence, or Michael Morgan you better believe they would be playing a base 4/3, still look at the roster they have no linebackers, mostly because I doubt they focus on recruiting many. But yes that is why they play nickle, of course, to play against the spread.

But if they had better linebackers I bet they would play a 4/3 more often.

Simple question .. if you play against spread teams with constant 3-4 WR sets, what exactly is the point of having 3 LBs on the field so that you are at a disadvantage? You expect them to cover the slot consistently, or are you going to attempt to drop zone coverages all night and allow B12 QBs all day to throw?

Just doesn't work that way, which is why he implements his 'Peso' defense, which I must say worked out pretty well. :)

Now you are entitled to your opinion about our LB core - but it's just irrelevant because we just do not use 3 LB sets, which is my original point. If you are going to judge our defense, at least do it with our correct base. That is all.

fenikz
06-23-2010, 03:25 AM
well Miami always says they have all these great safeties but when it comes to game play few show up at a consistently high level. Hopefully this year they do.

...what?

found this little picture for you
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p69/ryan3howell/universityofmiami.jpg

Texas Homer
06-23-2010, 04:22 AM
I expect Alabama's defense to be really good as long as Saban is coaching there.

Ohio st. usually has a stout defense as well.

I'm excited to see Texas Defense again next season. I've heard good things recently about Texas Jr. LB Keenan Robinson. I think he could work himself into a 1st round pick after a couple more seasons.

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 07:00 AM
...what?

found this little picture for youI was speaking about last year and the year before last. Always talk about this is the next great one, but last year they underachieved and never lived up to the hype. Of course they have a history of great safeties but have yet had another one, could even argue Phillips was never as good as everyone thought he could become. We will see, hopefully they develop, one of them at least has to for that defense to become great in my opinion.



bwillie26
True but that is recruiting and who he recruits and who he brings in. If they had players like Greg Jones, Sean Spence, or Michael Morgan you better believe they would be playing a base 4/3, still look at the roster they have no linebackers, mostly because I doubt they focus on recruiting many. But yes that is why they play nickle, of course, to play against the spread.

But if they had better linebackers I bet they would play a 4/3 more often.
Simple question .. if you play against spread teams with constant 3-4 WR sets, what exactly is the point of having 3 LBs on the field so that you are at a disadvantage? You expect them to cover the slot consistently, or are you going to attempt to drop zone coverages all night and allow B12 QBs all day to throw?

Just doesn't work that way, which is why he implements his 'Peso' defense, which I must say worked out pretty well. :)

Now you are entitled to your opinion about our LB core - but it's just irrelevant because we just do not use 3 LB sets, which is my original point. If you are going to judge our defense, at least do it with our correct base. That is all.I fail to see what again you are arguing, the point is made and I agree with it. As for Nebraska, well I follow all defenses and teams, not just Nebraska so forgive me if everything is not to the T, if you want to speak on those other defenses I would love too. Any local fan can talk about their favorite team, is a lot harder to judge every team in my opinion. But yes I will watch more closely next year and see how often they play that nickle defense, because even in preseason magazines they have them in a basic 4/3.

Sniper
06-23-2010, 09:43 PM
No love for Penn State's D? They're consistantly in the top 10 in defense.

Their secondary looks like **** this year.

I would not be surprised if Ohio State ranks as the top defense in the country this year. Their depth is sickening.

fenikz
06-23-2010, 10:23 PM
I was speaking about last year and the year before last. Always talk about this is the next great one, but last year they underachieved and never lived up to the hype

Who is they?

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 10:37 PM
Who is they?Are you kidding? Armstrong was supposed to be the second coming, obviously he was nothing amazing last year. Nicolas at a time was supposed to be a great safety, or considered to be potentially. Reid supposedly is this next great one in line. Telemaque at least came out of no where so guess he had no expectations to live up too, but now he will for this up coming season. That is just this years roster, but odd there are a lot of them, will see what happens, hopefully they can get another great one in there.

duckseason
06-24-2010, 12:08 AM
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Should be a fine group, especially if Rowe plays up to his potential as a pass rusher. The linebackers are solid led by Paysinger and Matthews, they got good speed. The defensive backs should be good, Harris will be a star at corner, and Boyett is an experienced young safety. If they fill a few more holes they could be a solid defense.
DE Rowe
DT Bair
DT
DE
OLB Paysinger
ILB Matthews
OLB
CB C. Harris
CB Jackson
SS Boyett
FS

Good to see people are starting to recognize what we're doing defensively. Most people aren't yet aware that we've gone to a mostly one gap 3-4 look with a lot of zone blitzing. Basically a cross between what Dallas and Pittsburgh run.

Boyett is at FS, btw. We moved Eddie Pleasant to SS.

Here's our projected two deep:

DE Rowe/Irvin
DT Bair/Heimuli
DT Clark/Keliikipi
DE Turner/Jordan
OLB Paysinger/Clay
ILB Matthews/Littlejohn
OLB Kaddu/Lokombo
CB Jackson/Gildon
CB Harris/Mitchell
SS Pleasant/Johnson
FS Boyett/Lewis

Like I said though we are running a base 3-4 so you will often see Rowe or Jordan with their hand off the ground or a 4th LB such as Lokombo or Clay. We're going to be putting a lot of heat on QB's this year, but at the same time there are going to be exploitable holes in the gut of our defense. Once again the team most likely to beat us is probably Stanford.

Hines
06-24-2010, 01:23 AM
Their secondary looks like **** this year.

I would not be surprised if Ohio State ranks as the top defense in the country this year. Their depth is sickening.

When doesn't Penn State's secondary look like ****?

The PSU corners have a lot of potential, though.

fenikz
06-24-2010, 01:25 AM
Are you kidding? Armstrong was supposed to be the second coming, obviously he was nothing amazing last year. Nicolas at a time was supposed to be a great safety, or considered to be potentially. Reid supposedly is this next great one in line. Telemaque at least came out of no where so guess he had no expectations to live up too, but now he will for this up coming season. That is just this years roster, but odd there are a lot of them, will see what happens, hopefully they can get another great one in there.

So 3 Freshman didn't live up to their potential? And Telemaque was a 4* recruit most everyone knew about him

YAYareaRB
06-24-2010, 02:29 AM
Telemaque is gonna be 1st rounder in coming years. put that in the bank

Cigaro
06-24-2010, 03:43 AM
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Linebacker is the only group without real stars, have fast linebackers but Jeffery is the only really talented one. They have a lot of solid players and if they pick up their game they could be just great. Good defensive line led by Matthews and Ajiboye, Taylor should be a fine player as well. The defensive backs are outstanding, Gilmore is one of the best corners and Culliver is one of the best safeties, they have great depth at those positions as well. Potentially they could be one of the best defenses in the SEC and that is saying a lot.
DE Matthews
DT Ajiboye
DT Robertson
DE Taylor
OLB Jeffery
ILB Paulk
OLB S. Wilson
CB Gilmore
CB Auguste, Whitlock
SS Holloman
FS Culliver

Paulk is a more than solid linebacker. Possibly All-SEC player. Shaq Wilson is tackling machine. Jeffery plays SPUR, which isn't a linebacker spot, but close enough.

Culliver could be one of the best safeties, but he has clearly chosen not to. Sometimes he's down right horrible.

Smooth Criminal
06-24-2010, 04:17 AM
I'm excited as hell about Ohio State's front 7. That group is so talented and deep it's amazing.

The secondary worried me a little bit simply due to lack of experience, but there are some talented players back there as well. As long as we get a consistent pass rush, and we will with that group, the defense will be great.

I am scared of playing Harris and Miami though. Fast QBs always give the Buckeyes problems.

Ozzy
06-24-2010, 08:23 AM
Smooth Criminal I am scared of playing Harris and Miami though. Fast QBs always give the Buckeyes problems.Harris is not a running quarterback for Miami at all really. He is quite a talented passer. It is not like they are playing Robert Griffin here or Michael Vick, let us be honest.

Sniper
06-24-2010, 12:18 PM
I'm excited as hell about Ohio State's front 7. That group is so talented and deep it's amazing.

The secondary worried me a little bit simply due to lack of experience, but there are some talented players back there as well. As long as we get a consistent pass rush, and we will with that group, the defense will be great.

I am scared of playing Harris and Miami though. Fast QBs always give the Buckeyes problems.

Harris isn't fast. Black=/=fast.

M.O.T.H.
06-28-2010, 02:22 PM
Assuming he's good to go, I wouldnt sleep on Rodney Paulk. He's a real talent. As for Shaq, he should excel in his new role, given a lot more blitzing opportunities. I'm liking the LB core...a little on the light side, but I think they'll surprise.

And just an FYI...Culliver is a corner now. Auguste was moved to FS.

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 02:45 PM
Assuming he's good to go, I wouldnt sleep on Rodney Paulk. He's a real talent. As for Shaq, he should excel in his new role, given a lot more blitzing opportunities. I'm liking the LB core...a little on the light side, but I think they'll surprise.

And just an FYI...Culliver is a corner now. Auguste was moved to FS.I saw that in Sporting News, I thought it was a roster error.

Why did they do that? Culliver was a fine safety, what do they really hate Auguste at corner? They also had Whitlock as well, kind of an odd move to me, why move your best safety to corner, not like they have tons of safeties but maybe Hollman improved from last year, I hope. Anyway hopefully this is finally their year as a team to be successful and actually contend. It is about time and they have no excuse now!

Da Big Harv
06-30-2010, 11:24 PM
Culliver should be a tremendous corner he has all the physical tools and didn't quite have the smarts for safety I've heard

LizardState
07-01-2010, 11:19 AM
If you like watching CB play, tune in Alabama at LSU on November 6th.

Peterson for the Bayou Bengals + Dre Kirkpatrick & Milliner, both freshmen, from Bama.

Everybody will throw at those 2 Tide frosh out there (til they get burned often enough or the Tide pass rush obliterates their QBs) but both of them were #1-ranked corners coming out of HS, & Milliner ran a 4.24 40 in Gadsden HS. Patrick Peterson might look bored by that latter p/o the season, he's a consensus 1st team AA & it looks like he's head & shoulders over all other CBs for the 2011 draft, so teams will avoid him like an airborne bubonic plague virus & throw away from him & at Claiborne on the other side.

RealityCheck
07-01-2010, 05:08 PM
UNC-LSU will be great. Little vs. Pat Pete and Toliver vs. Burney.

phlysac
07-01-2010, 06:19 PM
How close did Pittsburgh come to making your list?

The only players they lost whom were significant contributors were DT Mick Williams and CB Aaron Berry. Theyv'e improved at every other position.

YAYareaRB
07-01-2010, 07:21 PM
UNC-LSU will be great. Little vs. Pat Pete and Toliver vs. Burney.

That O-Line vs D-Line battle is gonna be the story of the game, IMO

thenewfeature06
07-01-2010, 08:07 PM
Bryn Renner should start for us haha of course I have no idea how he would handle it. I am comfortable knowing LSU has a QB controversy of there own though they are more talented. Yay probably said it but alot of things will play in to the winner.. I like the matchup but RC, Tolliver is huge while Burney is shorter and Pat Peet is a phenom.. :(

Zach Pianalto, our TE might have a day. BTW if this game was in LSU, not a chance we win.

Ozzy
07-04-2010, 07:03 AM
Da Big Harv Culliver should be a tremendous corner he has all the physical tools and didn't quite have the smarts for safety I've heardThat is strange, hopefully he can make the transition, however rarely would a move such as this work out at the next level, more often than not he is not fast enough to be a corner or quick enough, that is why he was at safety. He had above average speed and quickness at safety, below average for a corner I would say, hopefully he can make the switch now and at the next level, but I doubt at the next level he will be a corner.


LizardState If you like watching CB play, tune in Alabama at LSU on November 6th.

Peterson for the Bayou Bengals + Dre Kirkpatrick & Milliner, both freshmen, from Bama.

Everybody will throw at those 2 Tide frosh out there (til they get burned often enough or the Tide pass rush obliterates their QBs) but both of them were #1-ranked corners coming out of HS, & Milliner ran a 4.24 40 in Gadsden HS. Patrick Peterson might look bored by that latter p/o the season, he's a consensus 1st team AA & it looks like he's head & shoulders over all other CBs for the 2011 draft, so teams will avoid him like an airborne bubonic plague virus & throw away from him & at Claiborne on the other side.I am aware for that, I cannot wait to see what Kirkpatrick can do, and based on how Saban coaches up defensive backs I am quite sure both will be just fine.


phlysac How close did Pittsburgh come to making your list?

The only players they lost whom were significant contributors were DT Mick Williams and CB Aaron Berry. Theyv'e improved at every other position.Like I have said before, their total lack of any real talent in their defensive backfield makes them not on this list. Berry was easily their best corner last year, and even he was not that good. Great front seven, but that defensive back field scares me. If they have developed some guys back there though they could be really good, will have to see it to believe it though. And even if they have success it is just because the Big East is pretty weak this year, not many great teams.

Da Big Harv
07-04-2010, 05:53 PM
Millner should get a lot of time in the defensive backfield but for now it looks like Dre "swagmaster" Kirkpatrick and B.J. Scott are going to get the starting nod. There's a lot of speculation that Milliner will end up at safety with his size but, he should get playing time on passing situations for sure with Bama so thin at defensive back only returning one starter (Barron)