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Ozzy
06-22-2010, 09:15 AM
I have only been really paying attention to college football since 1997, so the time span I am looking at is between 1997 and 2011, so a little more than a decade.

This is what I could think of in terms of the best defensive units I have seen in that time span. Overall defensive depth, talent level and on the field performance was taken into consideration. And yes if a team stock pile four or five future NFL players at one position, yes that was a major factor in the rankings as well.


Enjoy.

*Ongoing editing ;o) Now updated to the top 65






1) 2001
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DE J. McDougle
DT V. Wilfork, M. Waters
DT W. Joseph, O. Harris
DE A. Williams, T. Carroll
OLB DJ Williams, L. Williams
ILB J. Vilma
OLB H. Clark, R. McIntosh
CB P. Buchanon, A. Rolle
CB M .Rumph, K. Jennings
SS E. Reed, M. Sikes
FS S. Taylor





2) 2007
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DE C. Matthews, K. Moore
DT S. Ellis
DT F. Moala, A. Spicer
DE L. Jackson, E. Griffen
OLB B. Cushing, T. Williams
ILB R. Maualuga, C. Gailippo
OLB K. Rivers, K. Maiava, M. Morgan
CB C. Harris, K. Thomas
CB T. Thomas, J. Pinkard
SS K. Ellison, W. Harris
FS T. Mays, McCurtis





3) 1997
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DE J. Hall
DT J. Williams
DT R. Renes
DE G. Steele
OLB D. Jones
ILB S. Sword
OLB I. Gold
CB C. Woodson
CB A. Weathers, J. Whitely
SS T. Hendricks
FS M .Ray





4) 2011
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DE J. Williams, Q. Dial
NT Josh Chapman
DE D. Square, E. Stinson
OLB C. Upshaw
ILB D. Hightower, N. Johnson
ILB CJ Mosley, T. Depriest
OLB J. Harris, A. Hubbard
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB D. Milliner, D. Menzie
SS M. Barron
FS R. Lester








5) 2004
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DE M. Spears, M. Oliver, T. Johnson
DT K. Williams, C. Wroten
DT G. Dorsey, M. Favorite
DE C. Pittman, T. Jackson
OLB A. Highsmith
ILB L. Turner, L. Sanders
OLB C. Vaughn
CB C. Webster, J. Zenon
CB T. Daniels, Prude Jr, C. Jackson
SS L .Landry, C. Taylor
FS J. Daniels, C. Steltz





6) 2011
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DE K. Adams, B. Mingo
DT B. Logan, J. Downs
DT M. Brockers, A. Johnson
DE S. Montgomery, L. Edwards
OLB R. Baker
ILB K. Minter
OLB S. Francois
CB M. Claiborne, R. Brooks
CB T. Mathieu, T. Simon
SS E. Reid, C. Loston
FS B. Taylor





7) 1998
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DE R. Bailey
DT Collins
DT Pickett
DE J. Cotton
OLB N. Diggs
ILB Katzenmoyer
OLB J. Cooper
CB Winfield, D. Ross
CB Plummer, N. Clements
SS Berry
FS D. Moore





8 ) 2002
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DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
DT D. Scott, Pitcock
DT T. Anderson, M. Green
DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
CB C. Gamble
CB D. Fox, Underwood
SS Doss, T. Everett
FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley





9) 1997
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DE D. Warren, Seymour
DT C. Simon
DT L. Smith, J. Johnson
DE G. Spiers, J. Reynolds
OLB Polley
ILB S. Cowart, B. Jennings
OLB B. Allen
CB S. Rolle
CB T. Cody, C. Thomas
SS D. Gibson
FS D. Jackson, S. Key





10) 1999
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DE C. Brown
DT A. Adams
DT J. Kennedy
DE J. Kurpeikis, M. Haynes
OLB L. Arrington
ILB B. Short
OLB M. Morrison
CB D. Macklin
CB B. Jue
SS J. Boyd
FS D. Fox





11) 2009
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DE M. Dareus
DT T. Cody, Chapman
DE Deaderick, L. Washington
OLB C. Reamer
ILB R. McClain
ILB N. Johnson, D. Hightower
OLB E. Anders, Upshaw
CB K. Jackson, M. Johnson
CB J. Arenas
SS R. Green
FS J Woodall





12) 1999
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DE Overstreet, O. Hand
DT J. Henderson, R. Moore
DT D. Walker, A. Haynesworth
DE S. Ellis
OLB R. Thompson, K. Whiteside
ILB D. Stevenson, E. Moore
OLB E. Westmoreland
CB A. Lott
CB D. Goodrich
SS T. Gaines
FS D. Grant





13) 2006
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DE Harvey, Estopinan
DT M .Thomas, J. Cohen
DT R. McDonald, S. Harris
DE J. Moss, J. Cunningham
OLB B. Spikes, R. Stamper
ILB B. Siler
OLB E. Everett
CB R. Lewis
CB R. Smith
SS R. Nelson
FS T. Joiner, K. Jackson





14) 1997
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DE G. Winstrom
DT J. Peters
DT J. Wiltz, C. Warren
DE M. Rucker, Vanden Bosch
OLB T. Ortiz
ILB J. Foreman
OLB C. Polk
CB R. Brown
CB E. Swiney, J. Walker
SS M .Brown
FS E. Warfield, B. Harrison





15) 2008
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DE Gibson, L. Wilson
DT Denlinger, R. Rose
DT Larimore, Worthington
DE Heyward
OLB M. Freeman, B. Rolle
ILB Laurinaitis, A. Spitler
OLB R. Homan, C. Terry, Moeller
CB M. Jenkins, Chekwa
CB D. Washington, D. Torrence
SS K. Coleman, J. Hines
FS A. Russell, J. O'Neal





16) 2002
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DE K. Udeze
DT S. Cody, M. Wright
DT M. Patterson
DE O. Nazel, F. Rucker
OLB M. Grootegoed, D. Sartz
ILB L. Tatupu
OLB M. Simmons, O. Lua
CB J. Wyatt
CB M. Allmond, R. Nunn
SS T. Polamalu
FS D. Bing, J. Leach





17) 1997
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DE T. Beauchamp, T. Bullard
DT E. Chester, B. Gurley
DT R. McGrew, A. Mitchell
DE D. Chambers, W. Cohens
OLB J. Kearse
ILB M. Peterson, T. Sims
OLB Rutledge
CB F. Weary
CB E. Williams
SS T. George, R. Graddy
FS T. Brown, M. Manuel





18 ) 2003
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DE J. Ratliff
DT S. Johnson
DT D. McNeil
DE R. Torbor
OLB K. Dansby, A. Williams
ILB D. Thomas
OLB T. Williams
CB C. Rogers,
CB M. Pitts, G. Williams
SS W. Herring
FS J. Rosegreen





19) 1999
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DE C. Moore
DT C. Bradley
DT D. Pugh
DE J. Engelberger
OLB B. Taylor, M. Hawkes
ILB J. Houseright
OLB J. Smith
CB I. Charlton
CB A. Midget
SS R. Whitaker, C. Bird
FS W. Pile





20) 2009
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DE B. Turner
DT N. Suh
DT J. Crick, Steinkuhler
DE P. Allen
OLB P. Dillard
ILB W. Compton
OLB S. Fisher
CB Amukamara
CB Dennard, Gomes
SS Asante
FS O'Hanlon, Hagg






21) 2002
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DE D. Cody
DT D. Dvoracek
DT T. Harris, K. Klein
DE J. Wilkerson
OLB T. Lehman
ILB L .Mitchell
OLB C. Ingram
CB D. Strait, A. Perkins
CB A. Woolfolk
SS B. Pool
FS B. Everage





22) 2004
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DE K. Wimbley
DT B. Bunkley
DT Fluellen
DE C. Davis
OLB E. Sims
ILB B. Davis
OLB AJ. Nicholson, Timmons
CB A. Cromartie, L. Smith
CB B. McFadden, T. Carter
SS J. Carter
FS P. Watkins





23) 2005
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DE D. Tapp O. Martin
DT J. Lewis
DT C. Powell
DE C. Ellis Burchette
OLB X. Adibi
ILB V. Hall
OLB J. Anderson
CB J. Williams, V. Harris
CB B. Flowers
SS A. Rouse, D. Parker
FS J. Hamilton





24) 2013
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DE M. Edwards
DT T. Jernigan, McDaniel
DT A. McCloud
DE Casher, Hicks
OLB Telvin Smith, Northrup
ILB Christian Jones
OLB N. Andrews, Terrance Smith
CB L. Joyner, R. Darby
CB PJ Williams, Waisome
SS J. Ramsey
FS T. Brooks





25) 1998
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DE D. Howard
DT D. McIntosh
DT A. Rowe
DE J. Clements, C. Johnson
OLB M. Simoneau
ILB J. Kelly
OLB T. Ochs, B. Leber
CB G. Neasman
CB D. Carter, J. Butler
SS J. Cooper
FS L. Chapman, C. Scott





Just missed the cut...................

26) *Penn State 2005
DE Hali
DT Alford
DT J. Shaw, E. Johnson
DE J. Gaines
OLB Connor, Hull
ILB P. Posluszny, T. Shaw, S. Lee
OLB T. Shaw, Sales
CB A. Zemaitis, J. King
CB A. Phillips
SS C. Lowry, Scirrotto
FS McCready, T. Davis


27) *Michigan Wolverines 2006
DE Woodley, T. Jamison
DT Branch
DT T. Taylor
DE Biggs, B. Graham
OLB S. Crable, C. Graham
ILB D. Harris
OLB P. Burgess
CB L. Hall
CB M. Trent
SS Adams, R. Mundy
FS Englemon, Barringer 



28 ) *Florida Gators 2000
DE A. Brown, B. McCray
DT G. Warren
DT D. Chambers, B. Gurley
DE LaFavor, T Bullard
OLB M. Nattiel, T. Carroll
ILB A. Davis
OLB B. Hardmon
CB L. Sheppard
CB B. Alexander, R. Cromartie
SS M. Manuel, L. Norwood
FS T. Johnson, D. Dixon




29) *Iowa Hawkeyes 2003
DE M. Roth, H. Hodges
DT Clauss
DT J. Babineaux
DE Iwebema, Mattision
OLB E. Miles, Humpal
ILB A. Hodge, Klinkenborg
OLB C. Greenway
CB J. Johnson
CB A. Allen
SS B. Sanders, S. Considine
FS Paschal, Merrick


30) *Oklahoma 2007
DE English
DT G. McCoy
DT D. Granger, A. Taylor
DE J. Beal, F. Alexander
OLB L. Baker
ILB C. Lofton
OLB D. Pleasant, T. Lewis
CB R. Smith, L. Holmes
CB M. Walker, B. Jackson, Franks
SS N. Harris, Q. Carter
FS DJ. Wofle


31) *Alabama 2005
DE W. Gilberry, E. Knight
DT B. Greenwood
DT J. Clark, D. Lee
DE M. Anderson
OLB D. Ryans
ILB F. Roach, P. Hall
OLB J. Simpson
CB S. Castille, R. Robinson
CB C. Peprah, A. Madison
SS R. Harper
FS J. Dukes, R. Johnson


32) *Texas 2009
DE S. Kindle
DT L. Houston
DT Randall
DE Acho
OLB K. Robinson
ILB Muckelroy
OLB J. Norton
CB Ch. Brown, Cu. Brown
CB A. Williams, D. Beasley
SS E. Thomas
FS Gideon, N. Brewster


33) *Texas 2000
DE Redding
DT Hampton
DT S. Rogers, M. Tubbs
DE Pittman
OLB T. Jones
ILB D. Lewis
OLB Rawls
CB Q. Jammer, N. Vasher
CB R. Babers, A. Brooks
SS J. Walker
FS C. Brown, D. Pearson


34) *Michigan State 1999
DE R. Smith
DT D. Bernard
DT D. Thomas
DE J. Hendricks
OLB J. Peterson
ILB TJ. Turner
OLB J. Thornhill
CB A. Cambell, B. Nelson
CB R. Hill, C. Henry
SS T. Wright
FS R. Newsome


35) *Illinois 2007
DE D. Walker, Pilcher
DT C. Norwell
DT Lindquist
DE W. Davis
OLB A. Steele
ILB J. Leman
OLB B. Miller
CB V. Davis
CB A. Ball, D. Hicks
SS K. Mitchell
FS J. Sanders, J. Harrison


36) *Alabama 1999
DE King
DT C. Griffin
DT R. Grimes K. Smith
DE Moorhead
OLB M. Merritt
ILB S. Rasheed
OLB D. Gilbert
CB T. Dixon
CB M. Lewis
SS Spencer
FS R. Myles


37) *Texas A&M 1998
DE R. Bernard
DT R. Edwards
DE Flemons
OLB C. Anthony
ILB D. Nguyen
ILB J. Glenn
OLB W. Holdman
CB J. Webster
CB S. Curry
SS M. Jameson
FS R. Coady


38 ) *Georgia 1998
DE D. Evans
DT Seymour
DT Stroud,
DE Luckie
OLB W. Witherspoon, O. Grant
ILB K. Bell
OLB B. Bailey
CB C. Bailey
CB J. Henderson
SS J. Phillips
FS Chambers


39) *Miss State 2000
DE E. Wyms
DT W. Blade
DT D. Davis, T. Golliday
DE C. Stephens
OLB J. Clark
ILB M. Haggan
OLB R. Knight
CB F. Smoot
CB S. Byrdsong, E. Clinton
SS P. Prather
FS J. Morgan


40) *Iowa 2008
DE A. Clayborn
DT M. King, Klug
DT M. Kroul
DE C. Ballard, B. Binns
OLB AJ. Edds
ILB P. Angerer, J. Coleman
OLB J. Hunter
CB B. Fletcher
CB A. Spievey
SS T. Sash
FS B. Greenwood


41) *Wake Forest 2006
DE M. Robinson
DT B. Robinson
DT J. Smith
DE J. Thompson
OLB A. Curry
ILB Abbate
OLB S .Arnoux
CB A. Smith, B. Ghee
CB R. Swanson
SS P. Ghee, C. Vaughn
FS Gattis


42) *South Florida 2007
DE G. Selvie
DT T. McClain
DT A. Harris
DE Buie
OLB T. McKenzie
ILB B. Moffitt
OLB Momperimer
CB M. Jenkins
CB T. Williams, J. Murphy
SS N. Allen, L. Gachette
FS C. Williams


43) *Kansas State 2001
DE C. Coffman
DT T. Reese
DT R. Berry
DE Shull, B. Hickman
OLB B. Leber
ILB T. Pierce, T. Sims
OLB J. Buhl
CB T. Newman
CB D. Faggins
SS J. McGraw
FS R. Washington, M. Proctor



44) *UNC 2009
DE R. Quinn, Q. Coples
DT M. Austin
DT C. Thomas, T. Powell
DE EJ. Wilson, M. McAdoo
OLB B. Carter
ILB Q. Sturdivant
OLB Z. Brown
CB K. Burney
CB C. Brown
SS M. Williams, M. Merletti
FS D. Williams, D. Searcy


45) *UCLA 2001
DE K. Coleman
DT R. Leisle
DT Fletcher
DE D. Ball, M. Ball
OLB B. Chillar
ILB R. Thomas, M. Reese
OLB S. Havner, R. Nece
CB M. Ware, M. Cassell
CB R. Manning, J. Hunter
SS M. Anderson
FS B. Emanuel


46) *LSU 1999
DE J. Green
DT K. Allen
DT J. Mitchell
DE K. Mitchell
OLB B. James
ILB T. Faulk
OLB C. Smith
CB M. Roman
CB F. Booker, D. Hookfin
SS C. LeBlanc
FS R. Clark, D. James


47) *West Virginia 1997
DE Kevin Landolt
DT Henry Slay
DT John Thornton
DE Greg Robinette, Ryan Price
OLB Gary Stills
ILB Steve Lippe
OLB Damon Cogdell
CB Charles Fisher
CB Perlo Bastien, Gary Tompkins
SS Barrett Green
FS Nate Terry


48 ) *Miami Hurricanes 2006
DE B. Atkins, B. Pata
DT A. Dixon
DT K. Brown
DE C. Campbell. V. Franklin
OLB J. Beason, C. McCarthy
ILB G. Cook
OLB T. Gooden, R. Davis
CB B. Johnson
CB G. Sharpe, R. Phillips
SS B. Meriweather, A. Reddick
FS K. Phillips, W. Cooper


49) *NC State 2005
DE M. Williams, L. Wright
DT D. Pressley, A. Cash
DT J. McCargo, D. Tyler
DE M. Lawson, W. Young
OLB S. Tulloch
ILB O. Hoyte
OLB P. Lowery
CB AJ Davis
CB M. Hudson
SS G. Heath
FS L. Rumph, D. Morgan


50) *Notre Dame 2003
DE Tuck
DT C. Hilliard, D. Landri
DT T. Laws
DE V. Abiamiri, D. Stephenson
OLB M. Goolsby
ILB B. Hoyte
OLB D. Curry, C. Watson
CB A. Wooden
CB V. Duff
SS Zbikowski
FS G. Earl


51) *Arizona 1998
DE Tafoya, K. Fraser
DT D. Greer
DT I. Haroon
DE M. Robertson
OLB D. Polk
ILB M. Bell
OLB Sprotte A. Pierce
CB C. McAllister
CB K. Hunter
SS G. Payne
FS R. Jones


52) *Louisville 2004
DE E. Dumervil
DT Okoye, Graddy
DT M. Stanley
DE M. Jones
OLB B. Johnson
ILB R. McCune, L. Myles
OLB M. Jackson, J. Jackerson
CB R. Council, A. Sharp
CB W. Gaay, G. Smart
SS K. Rhodes
FS B. Sharp


53) *Purdue 2003
DE S. Phillips
DT C. Terrill
DT B. Villarreal
DE R. Edwards, E. Bright
OLB L. Johnson
ILB Koutouvides, G. Hall
OLB G. Gardner, S. Keglar
CB J. Reeves
CB A. Rogers
SS B. Pollard
FS S. Schweigert


54) *UNC 2001
DE J. Peppers
DT R. Sims
DT E. Davis
DE J. Evans, J. Dumas
OLB D. Thornton
ILB Q. Monk
OLB S. Williams
CB E. Hood
CB M. Waddell
SS D. Reid
FS D. Coleman


55) *TCU 2007
DE T. Blake, J. Hughes
DT Christopher
DT J. Vess
DE C. Ortiz
OLB J. Phillips
ILB D. Hawthorne
OLB R. Henson, D. Washington
CB R. Priest
CB N. Sanders
SS S. Hodge
FS D. Roach, B. Bonner


56) *Washington State 2002
DE I. Brown
DT R. Long
DT Tupai
DE Acholonu
OLB K. Sperry
ILB W. Derting
OLB P. Bennett
CB M. Trufant
CB K. Paymah, J. David
SS E. Coleman
FS H. Abdullah


57) *Wisconsin 2000
DE Welsh
DT W. Bryant
DT Sprague
DE E. James
OLB R. Knight
ILB N. Griesen
OLB J. Mack
CB J. Fletcher
CB M. Echols, BJ Tucker
SS B. Brown
FS J. Doering


58 ) *Cal 2006
DE Ma'afala
DT Mebane
DT T. Alualu
DE Tafisi
OLB A. Felder
ILB D. Bishop
OLB W. Williams, Z. Follett
CB D. Hughes
CB T. Mixon
SS B. Hicks
FS T. DeCoud


59) *Tennessee 2008
DE R. Ayers
DT D. Williams
DT D. Bolden
DE W. Brown, B. Martin
OLB R. McCoy
ILB Myers-White
OLB L. Thompson
CB D. Willingham
CB M. Johnson
SS E. Berry
FS D. Morley, A. Gaines


60) *Georgia Tech 2006
DE M. Johnson
DT J. Anoai, D. Robertson
DT D. Richard, V. Walker
DE A. Oliver
OLB K. Hall
ILB P. Wheeler
OLB G. Guyton
CB K. Scott, A. Roberson
CB Word-Daniels
SS J. Lewis
FS D. Jones


61) *Virginia 2005
DE C. Canty
DT A. Hoffman
DE C. Long
OLB Blackstock
ILB A. Brooks, J. Cooper
ILB K. Parham, J. Dias
OLB C. Sintim
CB M .Hamilton
CB T. Franklin
SS M. Weeks
FS J. Hardy


62) *Utah 2008
DE P. Kruger
DT Talamaivao
DT Filiaga
DE K. Misi
OLB Sylvester
ILB M. Wright
OLB Fotu
CB S. Smith
CB B. McCain, R, Stanford
SS J. Dale
FS R. Johnson



63) *Kansas 2005
DE C. Keith
DT C. Blakesley
DT J. McClinton
DE J. Wheeler
OLB J. Mortensen, B. Perkins
ILB N. Reid
OLB M. Rivera, J. Holt
CB A. Talib
CB C. Gordon
SS J. Kemp
FS D. Stuckey, J. Thornton


64) *Oregon State 2006
DE D. Smith
DT Silvira
DT W. Vea
DE Van Orsow
OLB D. Doggett
ILB A. Darlin, K. Kristick
OLB LaRocque
CB B. Hughes, J. Dockery
CB K. Lewis
SS S. Piscitelli
FS Afalava


65) *Oregon 2007
DE N. Reed
DT R. Harris
DT Linehan
DE Tukuafu
OLB Paysinger, Matthews
ILB Bacon
OLB Tuitele
CB Byrd, Glasper
CB Thurmond
SS Chung
FS T. Ward




*Note the rosters are as exact as I could get, it is quite hard however to find a up to date and accurate roster from the late 90's

iowatreat54
06-22-2010, 09:37 AM
I think you missed the boat with Iowa.

2008 defense
DE- Clayborn
DT- King (Klug backing up)
DT- Kroul
DE- Ballard (Binns backing up)
OLB- Edds
MLB- Angerer
OLB- Hunter
CB- Fletcher
CB- Spievey
FS- Greenwood
SS- Sash

Overall, the DL and Secondary are much better than the 05 team. 05 was probably better at LB, but only because Hodge and Greenway were machines. But Edd and Angerer aren't too far behind. On the 08 defense, there are already 4 draft picks, and likely Clayborn, Ballard, Binns, Sash, and probably Hunter will all get drafted, the first 3 in the first 3 rounds I'm sure. Granted, King and Kroul weren't NFL prospects really, but as college DTs they were ridiculous despite being tiny.

Overall, the 08 defense > 05 defense, imo.

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 09:48 AM
Overall, the DL and Secondary are much better than the 05 team. 05 was probably better at LB, but only because Hodge and Greenway were machines. But Edd and Angerer aren't too far behind. On the 08 defense, there are already 4 draft picks, and likely Clayborn, Ballard, Binns, Sash, and probably Hunter will all get drafted, the first 3 in the first 3 rounds I'm sure. Granted, King and Kroul weren't NFL prospects really, but as college DTs they were ridiculous despite being tiny.

Overall, the 08 defense > 05 defense, imo.

I disagree, because Greenway and Hodge are worlds ahead of those linebackers on Iowa in 08, it is not even close. As for the corners, depends on how much you like Spievey, I really like Allen and Johnson, both not great pro players but fine college players. Could also argue Greenwood and Sash were not what they are now back in 08. Also could argue the depth in 05 at defensive back is better as well. The defensive line is clearly better however again one could argue Clayborn was not the player he is now back then, and Binns did not even see the field did he? Still though Greenway trumps them all, he alone is better than all three of those linebackers combined. Or at least that is my opinion. If one thinks Spievey is Deion Sanders like and Angerer is a pro bowl inside linebacker then maybe, but my opinion on those two clearly is not as high as yours. Also hard to have the 08 team when potentially the 09 defensive line and or this up coming 10 defensive line is far better than the 08 line would ever dream of being.

Yes it is debatable however, but again Greenway and Hodge are the closers in my book for the debate.

wonderbredd24
06-22-2010, 10:01 AM
Ohio State's National Championship Defense nowhere to be found...

iowatreat54
06-22-2010, 10:14 AM
I disagree, because Greenway and Hodge are worlds ahead of those linebackers on Iowa in 08, it is not even close. As for the corners, depends on how much you like Spievey, I really like Allen and Johnson, both not great pro players but fine college players. Could also argue Greenwood and Sash were not what they are now back in 08. Also could argue the depth in 05 at defensive back is better as well. The defensive line is clearly better however again one could argue Clayborn was not the player he is now back then, and Binns did not even see the field did he? Still though Greenway trumps them all, he alone is better than all three of those linebackers combined. Or at least that is my opinion. If one thinks Spievey is Deion Sanders like and Angerer is a pro bowl inside linebacker then maybe, but my opinion on those two clearly is not as high as yours. Also hard to have the 08 team when potentially the 09 defensive line and or this up coming 10 defensive line is far better than the 08 line would ever dream of being.

Yes it is debatable however, but again Greenway and Hodge are the closers in my book for the debate.

That's fair. Like I said, Hodge and Greenway are easily better. But that Edds and Angerer aren't bad either, but yes there is a large gap between the two pairs. As for the DL, it's easily better in 08 than 05. Iwebema was talented, but never produced up to his talent level. Clayborn in 08 was at least equal to Iwebema. Mattison was pretty productive, but no where near as talented as Ballard. That was Ballards 1st year starting and 2nd ever playing DE, and while he probably wasn't as productive, he was still very good. And 08 King/Kroul were obviously better than 05.

I would agree on depth in the secondary in 08, but first Shada shouldn't count for anything because he was worthless. Also, if we are going to say Clayborn and Sash (will get to him) weren't the players in 08 that they are now, then you can't say Godfrey and Fletcher were good depth because neither really saw the field in 05, to my recollection. So, you really can't say in 05 that they would be good backups knowing what we know now. If you do, then you have to say the same for Clayborn and Sash.

As for Sash, his frosh year in 08 may not have been as good as 09, but he is still better than either safety in 05 by a lot. I believe he led the Big XI in INTs in 08, but don't know his tackle numbers off the top of my head. The one thing I will say is that in 08 Greenwood was pretty terrible. To the corners, both pairs were very good for Iowa. However, I'll take Spievey over the other 3. He was probably our best CB in 08, and while not lockdown like 09, he was still well above average, but was overshadowed by a "career" year by Fletcher.

Again, it's just my opinion, but I'd take the 08 D every time based on talent and production. 05 probably wasn't as talented, but was super productive, whereas 08 has a lot of talent and wasn't super productive (yet) but just above average.

Either way, I'm enjoying your lists. You're doing a great job, and it makes the offseason a little better. :)

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 10:42 AM
wonderbredd24 Ohio State's National Championship Defense nowhere to be found...
Very good point, however I do not include any defenses that over lap one another. Here are those two rosters, or at least the ones I could find.


2005
DE V. Gholston
DT Q. Pitcock
DT M. Green, D. Patterson
DE M. Kudla, J. Richardson
OLB B. Carpenter, M. Freeman
ILB A. Schlegel, J. Laurinaitis, M. D'Andrea
OLB AJ Hawk, C. Terry
CB A. Youboty, T. Everett
CB M. Jenkins, D. Washington
SS D. Whitner, A. Russell
FS N. Salley


2002
DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
DT D. Scott, Pitcock
DT Pickett, T. Anderson, M. Green
DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
CB C. Gamble
CB D. Fox, Underwood
SS Doss, T. Everett
FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley


The 2002 team has a far superior defensive line with Smith, Pickett and Peterson being on the roster so point for them. The 2005 team has much better linebackers as a group, the 02 team was good but not great and Carpenter was not the player he was later, neither was Hawk, that 05 team Hawk was a monster and Carpenter was as well, much less they have James on the team also, Schegel and Freeman. Then it comes down to the defensive backs, I love Doss and really loved will Allen, and Gamble was a big time play maker. However the 05 team Jenkins is a flat out stud and was forever, Washington was very talented and Youboty was extremely talented. I would also say Whitner was a better safety than Doss in some ways, and Salley was not as good as Will Allen but still solid. However I guess the playmaking ability of Gamble was never matched in 05. So I will agree with you and switch out the 05 defense to the 02 defense because of the defensive backs and the defensive line.

keylime_5
06-22-2010, 10:55 AM
Pickett was a Ram in 2002. We had Smith/Anderson/Peterson/Scott as our D-Line with Simon Fraser as the main backup at DE and David Thompson the main backup at DT. 2002 DLine was definitely superior but as a unit and in terms of overall talent I agree that 2005 was a better defense. They didn't win the championship that year but it wasn't the defense's fault that the offense got off to a slow start.

This was our 2005 defense, so loaded:

DE-David Patterson
DT-Marcus Green
DT-Quinn Pitcock
DE-Mike Kudla
WLB-AJ Hawk
MLB-Anthony Schlegel
SLB-Bobby Carpenter
CB-Ashton Youboty
CB-Tyler Everett
FS-Nate Salley
SS-Donte Whitner
NB-Malcolm Jenkins

not to mention Vernon Gholston who redshirted that year b/c of injury, and James Laurinaitis who was a true freshman and the #4 linebacker.

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 11:31 AM
keylime_5
Pickett was a Ram in 2002. We had Smith/Anderson/Peterson/Scott as our D-Line with Simon Fraser as the main backup at DE and David Thompson the main backup at DT. 2002 DLine was definitely superior but as a unit and in terms of overall talent I agree that 2005 was a better defense. They didn't win the championship that year but it wasn't the defense's fault that the offense got off to a slow start.

This was our 2005 defense, so loaded:

DE-David Patterson
DT-Marcus Green
DT-Quinn Pitcock
DE-Mike Kudla
WLB-AJ Hawk
MLB-Anthony Schlegel
SLB-Bobby Carpenter
CB-Ashton Youboty
CB-Tyler Everett
FS-Nate Salley
SS-Donte Whitner
NB-Malcolm Jenkins

not to mention Vernon Gholston who redshirted that year b/c of injury, and James Laurinaitis who was a true freshman and the #4 linebacker.
I know very tough call, however I view Will Smith as a far better lineman than Gholston and Tim Anderson, Fraser and Scott were beasts in the middle, Pitcock was good but not great.

It is a tough call, and since the rosters over lap I cannot have both. Still the playmaking ability of Gamble and the fine player in Will Allen tip it for me.

Very tough call though.

Michigan
06-22-2010, 11:53 AM
2006 Michigan should be on the list (which is way too biased towards the present, btw). Woodley and Hall were finalists for pretty much every award, and the defense had 2 first team All-Americans + 2 second team All-Americans. Allowed just 43 rushing YPG (lowest by any team since 1985) on 1.9 YPC. One of the most successful in the NFL too.

DE: LaMarr Woodley
DT: Terrence Taylor
DT: Alan Branch
DE: Rondell Biggs
WILL: Prescott Burgess
MIKE: David Harris
SAM: Shawn Crable
CB: Leon Hall
CB: Morgan Trent
SS: Jamar Adams
FS: Brandent Engleman

ironman4579
06-22-2010, 12:02 PM
I'd put 2006 Michigan at the very least over 2007 Illinois.

'06 Michigan

#15 Scoring D
#1 Rush D
#10 Total D
#4 sacks
#13 tackles for loss

DT-Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor
DE-LaMarr Woodley, Rondell Biggs
DE-Brandon Graham, Tim Jamison
OLB-Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess
MLB-David Harris
CB-Leon Hall, Morgan Trent
S-Jamar Adams, Willis Barringer

2 first rounders, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 10 players currently on NFL rosters.


'07 Illinois

#13 sacks

You already have Illinois' roster up. '06 Michigan finished top 20 in 5 defensive categories, including the #1 rush D in the nation. Illinois was able to finish top 20 in one category, sacks, and '06 Michigan finished higher and had more. How many of the guys from Illinois are even on NFL rosters? '07 Illinois was barely a mediocre defense that year, let alone one of the top 25 defensive units over the past decade.

K Train
06-22-2010, 12:19 PM
that miami group is just ******* dirty

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 12:20 PM
Michigan

2006 Michigan should be on the list (which is way too biased towards the present, btw). Woodley and Hall were finalists for pretty much every award, and the defense had 2 first team All-Americans + 2 second team All-Americans. Allowed just 43 rushing YPG (lowest by any team since 1985) on 1.9 YPC. One of the most successful in the NFL too.

DE: LaMarr Woodley
DT: Terrence Taylor
DT: Alan Branch
DE: Rondell Biggs
WILL: Prescott Burgess
MIKE: David Harris
SAM: Shawn Crable
CB: Leon Hall
CB: Morgan Trent
SS: Jamar Adams
FS: Brandent Engleman
First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.

Good point Michigan could be on there, you say they are better than the 07 Illinois team which I disagree with. The defensive backs on Illinois are far better, V. Davis was a stud, Mitchell was a great college safety and Alan Ball I was a huge fan of. The Michigan safeties I was never a fan of, Engleman was nothing special and Adams never reached his potential. The linebackers yes of course, they are just great on Michigan, but I feel a lot of people underrate Steele as a linebacker and Leman was an absolutely outstanding college player. The defensive line, outside of Woodley is even I feel, Illinois had few absolute stars but a lot of good solid depth, but yes Woodley shifts it for them. End result in my opinion Illinois had better depth in the secondary and on the defensive line but do not have the stars Michigan had.

But yes I will have to think about it, because they are possibly better than that South Florida defense.



ironman4579 I'd put 2006 Michigan at the very least over 2007 Illinois.

'06 Michigan

#15 Scoring D
#1 Rush D
#10 Total D
#4 sacks
#13 tackles for loss

DT-Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor
DE-LaMarr Woodley, Rondell Biggs
DE-Brandon Graham, Tim Jamison
OLB-Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess
MLB-David Harris
CB-Leon Hall, Morgan Trent
S-Jamar Adams, Willis Barringer

2 first rounders, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 10 players currently on NFL rosters.


'07 Illinois

#13 sacks

You already have Illinois' roster up. '06 Michigan finished top 20 in 5 defensive categories, including the #1 rush D in the nation. Illinois was able to finish top 20 in one category, sacks, and '06 Michigan finished higher and had more. How many of the guys from Illinois are even on NFL rosters? '07 Illinois was barely a mediocre defense that year, let alone one of the top 25 defensive units over the past decade.How is Illinois defense last year relevant to this discussion? That makes no sense. As for statistics, I never look at them, or rarely do, because one can alter them when looking at who they play, play weak competition of course you will have a great defense.

And if one wants to play the statistic game, then why did this great Michigan defense get dominated against Ohio State and USC the last two games of the season. In both games gave up season high in points with over 30 each game? That might by why they did not instantly come to mind when thinking of great defenses off the top of my head. Also screams to the issue of competition played, thus I do not look at statistics with such a list, much less the hell it would be to find those statistics ;o)


I went on players and yes one can really argue Michigan had better overall players. I was really high on Mitchell and Ball though in college, and I feel their defensive backs again on Illinois are better. But yes if you just look at pro players that is a great defense. I will think about including them on the list.

Michigan
06-22-2010, 12:26 PM
First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.


I'm saying it's too biased towards the 2007-2009 period. Nebraska's 09 defense is definitely not the best they've had since '97, Texas '09 defense is a fringe top 25 at best, and South Florida and Illinois (WHAT!?) should not be on there at all.

ironman4579
06-22-2010, 12:35 PM
First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.

Good point Michigan could be on there, you say they are better than the 07 Illinois team which I disagree with. The defensive backs on Illinois are far better, V. Davis was a stud, Mitchell was a great college safety and Alan Ball I was a huge fan of. The Michigan safeties I was never a fan of, Engleman was nothing special and Adams never reached his potential. The linebackers yes of course, they are just great on Michigan, but I feel a lot of people underrate Steele as a linebacker and Leman was an absolutely outstanding college player. The defensive line, outside of Woodley is even I feel, Illinois had few absolute stars but a lot of good solid depth, but yes Woodley shifts it for them. End result in my opinion Illinois had better depth in the secondary and on the defensive line but do not have the stars Michigan had.

But yes I will have to think about it, because they are possibly better than that South Florida defense.



How is Illinois defense last year relevant to this discussion? That makes no sense. As for statistics, I never look at them, or rarely do, because one can alter them when looking at who they play, play weak competition of course you will have a great defense.

And if one wants to play the statistic game, then why did this great Michigan defense get dominated against Ohio State and USC the last two games of the season. In both games gave up season high in points with over 30 each game? That might by why they did not instantly come to mind when thinking of great defenses off the top of my head. Also screams to the issue of competition played, thus I do not look at statistics with such a list, much less the hell it would be to find those statistics ;o)


I went on players and yes one can really argue Michigan had better overall players. I was really high on Mitchell and Ball though in college, and I feel their defensive backs again on Illinois are better. But yes if you just look at pro players that is a great defense. I will think about including them on the list.


I never said a word about last years Illinois team, unless last year was '07. Briinging up Illinois is completely relevant because you have them on a list of the top 25 best defenses of the last decade. And I'm sorry, there's no way they belong on there. Like, at all.

One player got dominated against USC. Morgan Trent. He was the weak point of that defense. If we're playing the "got dominated" game, '07 Illinois gave up 40 to Missouri, 49 to USC.

I would completely disagree with Illinois secondary being that much better.Leon Hall was, at worst, equal with Davis, and likely better because he was actually willing to work hard. Technically he was far superior, though david might have had the edge in pure athleticism. Jamar Adams was underrated. Michigan has a big edge in LB, and I'll take Woodley and Branch over anyone on Illinois defense. Throwing in freshman Brandon Graham makes it a no brainer. If you didn't want to put Michigan on there, fine. I realize it's difficult to rank teams. But there's no way that Illinois team should be on there. I'm not even sure I'd put that '06 Florida on the list over '06 Michigan.

Brent
06-22-2010, 01:57 PM
how is 1997, 1998, 1999 in the last decade?

wonderbredd24
06-22-2010, 03:26 PM
Very good point, however I do not include any defenses that over lap one another.
So 2002 and 2005 Ohio State can't both be on the list, but 2002 and 2005 USC can?

keylime_5
06-22-2010, 03:31 PM
i thought USC's defense in 2008 was better than in 2005 going on memory but I could be wrong. Maybe it's just b/c the Texas game sticks out from 2005, but I know OSU's defense in 2005 was clearly better than USC's, just ask Vince Young. We beat up on Vince pretty good after the first quarter.

Sniper
06-22-2010, 06:31 PM
I never said a word about last years Illinois team, unless last year was '07. Briinging up Illinois is completely relevant because you have them on a list of the top 25 best defenses of the last decade. And I'm sorry, there's no way they belong on there. Like, at all.

One player got dominated against USC. Morgan Trent. He was the weak point of that defense. If we're playing the "got dominated" game, '07 Illinois gave up 40 to Missouri, 49 to USC.


Silly facts and ****. Always getting in the way.

Seriously, how can a defense be one of the top 25 defenses of the past "decade" if they ranked in the top 20 in exactly one category? Consider the fact that the one category had nothing to do with points and yardage, and you have zero case for Illinois being one of the top 25 defenses of the past decade. It's a stretch that they'd be one of the top 25 defenses of the Big 10 alone for that stretch.

Sniper
06-22-2010, 06:37 PM
'07 Illinois

26th in scoring D
83rd (!!!) in passing D
36th in rushing D

No matter which way you try to spin it, that's a far cry from one of the top 25 defenses since 1997.

critesy
06-22-2010, 06:51 PM
auburns 2004 13-0 defense was very well rounded. maybe not top 25 cause im biased but they were very good.

Defensive Coordinator was gene chizik (now hc)
#1 in PPG defense with 11.2
#5 yards/game 269.6
7/13 opponents held at or under 10 points (4 sec games)
1 shutout
28 was the highest someone got on them. (tenn seccg)
it was basically a defense filled with undersized fast players.

de - bret eddins, marquis gunn
dt - jay ratliff, pat sims
dt - tommy jackson
de - stanley mcclover, quentin groves
olb - karibi dede
mlb - travis williams
olb - antarrious williams
cb - carlos rogers, pat lee
fs - will herring
ss - junior rosegreen
cb - david irons

CashmoneyDrew
06-22-2010, 07:01 PM
Your definition of the last decade is much looser than mine.

GB12
06-22-2010, 07:04 PM
how is 1997, 1998, 1999 in the last decade?

I have only been really paying attention to college football since 1997, so the time span I am looking at is between 1997 and 2009, so a little more than a decade.

m,zxczx,cx

Brent
06-22-2010, 07:49 PM
m,zxczx,cx
that's still 12 years.

GB12
06-22-2010, 08:18 PM
Yeah, he said it was a little more than a decade...

yourfavestoner
06-22-2010, 08:38 PM
Wasn't Clay Matthews bench fodder for USC until, like, a quarter of the way through his senior season? In 2005, he was the size of a large safety.

yourfavestoner
06-22-2010, 08:51 PM
Lol, now that I think about it, that 2005 USC team that you have is wrong at almost every position.

Oscar Lua and Dallas Sartz were starters instead of Cushing and Maualuga.

Like I said, Matthews was like a 220 pound linebacker at the time. Frostee Rucker was the starter. Everson Griffin was still in HS.

Taylor Mays was also still in HS.

You, like, overlapped their defense from 2005-2008.

Sniper
06-22-2010, 09:25 PM
The defensive line, outside of Woodley is even I feel.

It is painfully obvious that you didn't watch Alan Branch AT ALL that season. He was absolutely ridiculous. The guy ate double teams for breakfast, allowing for a breakout season from David Harris and an even better season for the eventual Lombardi winner in Woodley. It's an absolute farce that you can legitimately sit there with a straight face and make the asinine statement that you made.

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 10:59 PM
Michigan
I'm saying it's too biased towards the 2007-2009 period. Nebraska's 09 defense is definitely not the best they've had since '97, Texas '09 defense is a fringe top 25 at best, and South Florida and Illinois (WHAT!?) should not be on there at all.Not the best since 97? How? Did you see that offense last year? That defense carried the team, much less the fact they have the best defensive lineman of any of these defensive units in Suh. Could argue they had one of the best if not the best defensive line out of all of these groups if you just look at flat out production and how they changed the game. And sure the defensive backs, their career is not done yet, but I doubt the defensive backs on Nebraska or Texas do not turn out to be fine pros. Five years from now I do not think where I rank them will be too high at all. Especially for Texas if one considers Earl Thomas a Bob Sanders/Polomalu type talent, then yes that defense should be up there despite the talent at linebacker, just look at that great LSU defense, they had few fine linebackers but the great depth at defensive line and defensive back made up for that. Clearly Bo and Will do not mind that type of defense and clearly both have been very successful with it.

As for South Florida and Illinois, well in my opinion it is far harder for those schools to get a great defensive unit because one they are not a famous or well recruited school, second neither are known for defense. So one could argue getting a great defensive unit on a traditional non defensive power is far harder than carrying over players and hopefully getting a good collection at some point in time.




ironman4579 I never said a word about last years Illinois team, unless last year was '07. Briinging up Illinois is completely relevant because you have them on a list of the top 25 best defenses of the last decade. And I'm sorry, there's no way they belong on there. Like, at all.

One player got dominated against USC. Morgan Trent. He was the weak point of that defense. If we're playing the "got dominated" game, '07 Illinois gave up 40 to Missouri, 49 to USC.

I would completely disagree with Illinois secondary being that much better.Leon Hall was, at worst, equal with Davis, and likely better because he was actually willing to work hard. Technically he was far superior, though david might have had the edge in pure athleticism. Jamar Adams was underrated. Michigan has a big edge in LB, and I'll take Woodley and Branch over anyone on Illinois defense. Throwing in freshman Brandon Graham makes it a no brainer. If you didn't want to put Michigan on there, fine. I realize it's difficult to rank teams. But there's no way that Illinois team should be on there. I'm not even sure I'd put that '06 Florida on the list over '06 Michigan.Well I a mistaken, I thought you did. I also just flat out disagree with you clearly on this subject. Leon Hall is no where near the corner V. Davis was, especially when Davis was a freshman and sophomore, he was lights out. Yes later he got lazy, but early on when he still had some fire burning, he was one of the best young corners I have ever seen, his athletic ability make Hall look ridiculously average.

I will have to sleep on it, Michigan had a good defense but again I say, it is far harder for a non traditional defensive power to get a great defensive unit than it is for a traditional power too do so. Certain teams always seem to have a good defense and every now and again have a great one, to have a great one out of no where is extremely difficult and that is exactly what South Florida did.



Sniper Seriously, how can a defense be one of the top 25 defenses of the past "decade" if they ranked in the top 20 in exactly one category? Consider the fact that the one category had nothing to do with points and yardage, and you have zero case for Illinois being one of the top 25 defenses of the past decade. It's a stretch that they'd be one of the top 25 defenses of the Big 10 alone for that stretch.Anything else to add? Clearly you Michigan boys have a problem with it, that is fine. I would take Ball over Trent any day, Mitchell over Adams any day, Davis over Hall any day. And overall depth of Illinois defensive line I would take over one or two stars on Michigan. Crable was ok but really the only good backer was Harris. Woodley obviously was a star though.



critesy auburns 2004 13-0 defense was very well rounded. maybe not top 25 cause im biased but they were very good.

Defensive Coordinator was gene chizik (now hc)
#1 in PPG defense with 11.2
#5 yards/game 269.6
7/13 opponents held at or under 10 points (4 sec games)
1 shutout
28 was the highest someone got on them. (tenn seccg)
it was basically a defense filled with undersized fast players.

de - bret eddins, marquis gunn
dt - jay ratliff, pat sims
dt - tommy jackson
de - stanley mcclover, quentin groves
olb - karibi dede
mlb - travis williams
olb - antarrious williams
cb - carlos rogers, pat lee
fs - will herring
ss - junior rosegreen
cb - david irons
Great point, that was a fine defense, I knew I forgot something. They can easily be included, Williams were great players, both of them, and didn't they have Dansby? Herring I loved as a safety, same with Rosegreen, for sure tomorrow I will include them in the list, amazing defense, that is for sure.



yourfavestoner Lol, now that I think about it, that 2005 USC team that you have is wrong at almost every position.

Oscar Lua and Dallas Sartz were starters instead of Cushing and Maualuga.

Like I said, Matthews was like a 220 pound linebacker at the time. Frostee Rucker was the starter. Everson Griffin was still in HS.

Taylor Mays was also still in HS.

You, like, overlapped their defense from 2005-2008.
Ok, my sources were wrong then. Again I swear you guys try to find these rosters up to date on the internet. I dare you, it is not that easy and sorry but keeping them all exact to a T is almost impossible. Thanks for catching that, I will try to correct it.



Sniper

It is painfully obvious that you didn't watch Alan Branch AT ALL that season. He was absolutely ridiculous. The guy ate double teams for breakfast, allowing for a breakout season from David Harris and an even better season for the eventual Lombardi winner in Woodley. It's an absolute farce that you can legitimately sit there with a straight face and make the asinine statement that you made.
I did watch Branch, he was a fine player. Sadly his NFL crappiness hurts his reputation a tad I feel though. Agreed he was a great player though in college, never said he wasn't.

But yes you Michigan guys want to harp on that, that is cool. Oddly seem to forget how high I put there actually elite defense with Charles Woodson so not like this list his a Michigan hater list.

critesy
06-22-2010, 11:04 PM
dansby was in the draft that year, so i dont think so? would of been amazing though. dansby was on a lb core with reggie torbor and donatarrious thomas, who all got drafted that year in the 2004 draft i think.

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 11:06 PM
Lol, now that I think about it, that 2005 USC team that you have is wrong at almost every position.

Oscar Lua and Dallas Sartz were starters instead of Cushing and Maualuga.

Like I said, Matthews was like a 220 pound linebacker at the time. Frostee Rucker was the starter. Everson Griffin was still in HS.

Taylor Mays was also still in HS.

You, like, overlapped their defense from 2005-2008.
Follow up, I got it exactly correct, just mistaken the date from 05 to 07, my mistake, doing too many things at once I guess. Thus not over lapping the two of them at all. As for Lua and Sartz, well, again it makes sense since it was 07 instead of 05. My mistake however, thanks for the catch.


http://usc.scout.com/a.z?s=15&p=8&c=2&nid=736&yr=2007



Going to add Auburn to the list and yes Michigan as well, even though those defensive backs are extremely suspect. Sadly push off South Florida, but remember that team came out of no where, had two great corners in Jenkins and Williams, Murphy behind them. An amazing college linebacker in Moffitt and a terror edge rusher with Selvie, but the depth of the D-line was not great. Still so very impressive considering they are not a traditional defensive power.

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 11:12 PM
dansby was in the draft that year, so i dont think so? would of been amazing though. dansby was on a lb core with reggie torbor and donatarrious thomas, who all got drafted that year in the 2004 draft i think.**** that team was good, wow, great defense and damn they are the Auburn team with C. Williams, R. Brown and B. Jacobs, holy crap! What a team!


2003 Auburn Tigers
DE J. Ratliff
DT S. Johnson
DT D. McNeil
DE R. Torbor
OLB K. Dansby, A. Williams
ILB D. Thomas
OLB T. Williams
CB C. Rogers,
CB M. Pitts, G. Williams
SS W. Herring
FS Rosegreen

Ozzy
06-22-2010, 11:28 PM
ironman4579 I'd put 2006 Michigan at the very least over 2007 Illinois.

'06 Michigan

#15 Scoring D
#1 Rush D
#10 Total D
#4 sacks
#13 tackles for loss

DT-Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor
DE-LaMarr Woodley, Rondell Biggs
DE-Brandon Graham, Tim Jamison
OLB-Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess
MLB-David Harris
CB-Leon Hall, Morgan Trent
S-Jamar Adams, Willis BarringerI apologize. Looking through there roster myself, I totally spaced out on how good guys like Taylor were. And especially how good guys like Biggs and Jamison were. That completely changes the depth of their roster and overall look of their team. My mistake, I will give it to you guys, you are both correct they should be ahead of Illinois, they were very deep and talented. Still would take Illinois defensive backs over their group any day, but that defensive line and those linebackers, that is very hard to beat.

So my mistake and my error.

critesy
06-23-2010, 01:04 AM
its hard to do something like this without some outside input.

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 07:02 AM
its hard to do something like this without some outside input.Agree, the Michigan point proved that, and it is hard to remember them all, thank you again for the Auburn reminder, I just loved that defense and loved the talent they had.

keylime_5
06-23-2010, 08:36 AM
do what you want ozzy, it's your ******* list ;)

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 08:46 AM
do what you want ozzy, it's your ******* list ;)We are all family here ;o)


It is good to have feedback and discussion, if there was none this would be very boring. Also rather have it accurate than me being instantly correct.


Made some changes, included the outstanding 05 Penn State defense which kicks off the Iowa defense sadly. Also listed other defenses I found that I loved but did not make the cut. Might have to expand this list to top 30.


Also included the 08 Ohio State defense as well, extremely deep group. With that changed the order around a little bit too.



That old Virginia defense with Brooks and company was insane, not good defensive backs but all those linebackers was ridiculous. That Wake defense was great too with Abbate and Curry and the ball hawk Alphonso Smith and the sweet safety in Gattis. That Purdue defense was great too but not sure Stuart and Pollard played together or not.

iowatreat54
06-23-2010, 12:12 PM
Yea, hopefully you don't take offense to a lot of our responses (doesn't seem like you do). I'm sure you knew you'd get some outrage, but I have to give you credit for going through and doing some of these lists. People are always going to complain about something, but it does take a lot to actually sit down and do these, so good work.

And just so you know, I'm not outraged you dropped Iowa out. :) I love our defense usually and normally wouldn't trade it for anything in the world, but I probably wouldn't consider any over the past 13ish years one of the best.

ironman4579
06-23-2010, 12:33 PM
No hard feelings Ozzy, I'm glad you decided to include that '06 defense. I'm also really glad that Auburn D was brought up. I completely forgot about that one, but they were a great group.

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 01:01 PM
iowatreat54
Yea, hopefully you don't take offense to a lot of our responses (doesn't seem like you do). I'm sure you knew you'd get some outrage, but I have to give you credit for going through and doing some of these lists. People are always going to complain about something, but it does take a lot to actually sit down and do these, so good work.

And just so you know, I'm not outraged you dropped Iowa out. :) I love our defense usually and normally wouldn't trade it for anything in the world, but I probably wouldn't consider any over the past 13ish years one of the best.Might have found one for Iowa, Bob Sanders is the key because he is their best defensive back in that era, and all of these guys played I believe. Too bad Colin Cole was the year before but still this unit might crack the top 25.

Iowa 2003
DE M. Roth, Iwebema
DT Clauss
DT J. Babineaux
DE H. Hodges, Mattision
OLB E. Miles, Humpal
ILB A. Hodge, Klinkenborg
OLB C. Greenway
CB J. Johnson
CB A. Allen
SS B. Sanders, S. Considine
FS Paschal, Merrick


Overall Iowa is great at defense but have yet to put together a deep and stellar class of defensive backs, because their front 7 are always good, defensive backs, not so much.

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 01:07 PM
Yeah they are top 25 I think, unless some of these players were not on the roster. And no it is not to get a Iowa team on there...haha It is more the fact I really liked Greenway and Hodge as college backers, two of the best plus Bob Sanders was just flat out great. So I feel that group deserves to be on there and is better than that other group, but since they over lap I will delete that past one.

Roth and Bob Sanders were easily the tipping point when comparing those two Iowa defenses.

iowatreat54
06-23-2010, 01:26 PM
Might have found one for Iowa, Bob Sanders is the key because he is their best defensive back in that era, and all of these guys played I believe. Too bad Colin Cole was the year before but still this unit might crack the top 25.

Iowa 2003
DE M. Roth, Iwebema
DT Clauss
DT J. Babineaux
DE H. Hodges, Mattision
OLB E. Miles, Humpal
ILB A. Hodge, Klinkenborg
OLB C. Greenway
CB J. Johnson
CB A. Allen
SS B. Sanders, S. Considine
FS Paschal, Merrick


Overall Iowa is great at defense but have yet to put together a deep and stellar class of defensive backs, because their front 7 are always good, defensive backs, not so much.

Yea, that's the problem (is it really a problem lol) with Iowa. We always have a solid D, but only because it's so well coached and works so well together as one unit. There may be a one or two standouts, but overall it's usually always lacking a top talent. And like you said, the strength of the front 7, and mainly the LBs in coverage, are what run Iowa's defense. The LBs ability to play coverage is huge, and you rarely see Iowa LBs that can't play into coverage and usually always will have one LB that can adequately play with TEs or in Greenway's and Edds's cases, some slot WRs.

But yea, I forgot about some of the defenses before 05 (when I started following Iowa). He may be lost in the NFL, but Matt Roth was ridiculous in college, especially his Senior year in 04 I think. Plus in addition to Roth and Sanders, you had Babs who was just ridiculous. Many are comparing Ballard this year to him because of the move he made from DE to DT, especially with his athletic ability. (I think Babs moved from the outside).

Sniper
06-23-2010, 04:13 PM
Well I a mistaken, I thought you did. I also just flat out disagree with you clearly on this subject. Leon Hall is no where near the corner V. Davis was, especially when Davis was a freshman and sophomore, he was lights out. Yes later he got lazy, but early on when he still had some fire burning, he was one of the best young corners I have ever seen, his athletic ability make Hall look ridiculously average.

Just so we're on the same page, we're talking about the same Leon Hall that was a finalist for the Nagurski, semi-finalist for the Thorpe, quarter-finalist for the Lott, and first-team All-American? Yeah, "nowhere near Vontae Davis", my ass. Makes you wonder how he got drafted 18th overall if he was nowhere near Davis' level. Both secondaries were well-below average, but Hall's career was significantly superior to Davis'.

P-L
06-23-2010, 06:03 PM
Sorry, but I'm not sure focusing mostly on the players rather than the results is the best way to go about this. That '07 Illinois team was 4th in it's conference in points allowed, 7th in total yards against, and 9th in passing yards against. I know they had a few good players, but overall they were a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten defense.

RealityCheck
06-23-2010, 06:27 PM
You know you'll have to redo this next year.

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Just so we're on the same page, we're talking about the same Leon Hall that was a finalist for the Nagurski, semi-finalist for the Thorpe, quarter-finalist for the Lott, and first-team All-American? Yeah, "nowhere near Vontae Davis", my ass. Makes you wonder how he got drafted 18th overall if he was nowhere near Davis' level. Both secondaries were well-below average, but Hall's career was significantly superior to Davis'.Yes we all know Sniper every Michigan player is the best player in the world ever, simple as that right? Yes Hall has a better work ethic than Davis, sadly Davis is so superior athletically between the two they are about equal, regardless of the superior technique Hall has or the superior work ethic, Davis's athletic ability can trump that in many cases.

Keeping with Michigan, I would rather talk about how kick butt Charles Woodson is and was than freaking Leon Hall right? ;o)


Or talk about some other teams besides Michigan once in awhile. Any opinions on that sweet Tennessee defense or that old school Va Tech defense from 1999?

One can only talk so much Michigan football right, expanding of ones horizons. ;o)

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 09:42 PM
You know you'll have to redo this next year.
Possible, UNC does have the talent to make it interesting but need to achieve and reach that potential and not choke it up like they did last year. They need to dominate, especially considering they have a lack luster quarterback leading the way on offense.

However overall, doubt any defense this years can get too high on lists like these. Have some good defenses but nothing great, will have to wait and see who develops and what kind of talent comes in.

Sniper
06-23-2010, 09:52 PM
Yes we all know Sniper every Michigan player is the best player in the world ever, simple as that right?

Not sure where I said that. If you truly believe that, you don't read half of my Michigan-related posts.

Yes Hall has a better work ethic than Davis, sadly Davis is so superior athletically between the two they are about equal, regardless of the superior technique Hall has or the superior work ethic, Davis's athletic ability can trump that in many cases.

Great. Davis is also more athletic than 99 percent of the corners in the NFL. Should we anoint him the best CB, too? I'd rather have a guy who can, you know, actually cover than a guy who's athletic and not that good in coverage. Vontae's a better athlete, whoopdie-*******-do. Hall was and is a better football player.

Or talk about some other teams besides Michigan once in awhile. Any opinions on that sweet Tennessee defense or that old school Va Tech defense from 1999?

Maybe if you'd write factually accurate information once in a blue moon, I wouldn't correct you on it. However, the fact that you legitimately believed that the '07 Illinois defense, a defense that was middle-of-the-pack in the Big 10 and below average nationally was better than the '06 Michigan defense, just because you like a player better because he jumps farther and runs faster, is laughable.

Also, I talk about other teams all the time. Stop ******* stereotyping me for a minute and look around. ZOMGZ SNIPER LIKES MICHIGAN SO HE ONLY TALKS ABOUT THEM LOLZZZZZZ. No, look around, then talk.

If you want other critiques on your article, Ohio State could easily field three or four defenses on this. You underrated '09 Nebraska and overrated '06 Florida.

Ozzy
06-23-2010, 10:32 PM
Maybe if you'd write factually accurate information once in a blue moon, I wouldn't correct you on it. However, the fact that you legitimately believed that the '07 Illinois defense, a defense that was middle-of-the-pack in the Big 10 and below average nationally was better than the '06 Michigan defense, just because you like a player better because he jumps farther and runs faster, is laughable.

Also, I talk about other teams all the time. Stop ******* stereotyping me for a minute and look around. ZOMGZ SNIPER LIKES MICHIGAN SO HE ONLY TALKS ABOUT THEM LOLZZZZZZ. No, look around, then talk.

If you want other critiques on your article, Ohio State could easily field three or four defenses on this. You underrated '09 Nebraska and overrated '06 Florida.I cleared up the Illinois issue rather clearly I believe. The V. Davis issue is totally different entirely.

But yes if you want to pretend I did not correct myself on that Illinois defensive issue, that is fine.


As for Nebraska and Florida, Nebraska I actually overrated and moved them down a little, I had them quite high originally. Still like them but the depth at linebacker is an issue and it is yet to be seen how great those defensive backs will become. Florida overrated? How, the fact that the defensive line was absolutely sick you did not like? Or the fact they had very fine linebacker play, or the fact they had Reggie Nelson who absolutely dominated at safety, much less got great performances out of corner Ryan Smith intercepting passes. That defensive line was outstanding though and one of the best and deepest I have seen. One could argue they are the best in this group, at least their ends are better than Nebraska's last year with Moss, Harvey and company.

Explanation with statements is lovely and quite wonderful.


Still waiting on the Va Tech and Tennessee defensive roster conversation, or any non standard defense conversation. I know some have watched other defenses outside of the obvious ones. Top to bottom conversation on all rosters is ideal but pick and choose conversation is a must I guess considering.....

Ozzy
06-24-2010, 08:59 AM
Blessed Big Ten Network, help filling the boring days of summer. Had a great game on last night between Alabama and Michigan. Two fine defenses.


I am probably going to include this unit, amazing defense, I LOVED Rasheed at linebacker, loved his speed and quickness. Clearly having Griffin, a wonderful tackle ahead of him helped him big time keep blockers off of him and keep him free, because later in his career he was no where close to being as good as he was as a freshman. Merritt was a fast linebacker as well and that defensive line was very solid, especially with Moorhead, Griffin and King. That defensive backfield was the only weakness, Dixon was ok but played out of position, Spencer was a tough guy though but Lewis got beat a lot. They said that unit was ranked #2 nationally in run defense, again those are nice to see and hear but ultimately again I feel it comes down to players, so what if they were #2 nationally in rush defense, they get killed in the passing game then just like the Minnesota Vikings ;o) Need complete defense...

1999 Alabama
DE King
DT C. Griffin
DT R. Grimes K. Smith
DE Moorhead
OLB M. Merritt
ILB S. Rasheed
OLB D. Gilbert
CB T. Dixon
CB M. Lewis
SS Spencer
FS R. Myles




Odd thing is, they might be deeper than the 07, they have a lot of the same players on the roster though. But the likes of Woodson clearly switches it to that old Michigan defense, how can it not. And Sword was a great linebacker and surprisingly I believe Gold and Jones played a lot even as young players on that older defense. Renes sure was a beast though, great player for them for a very long time. Hendricks was a fun player to watch as well, and Cato June and him were a great par. Oddly this defense got totally racked by Alexander the Great in that game, what a special running back he was!

1999 Michigan
DE Hall
DT Renes
DT J. Williams
DE Frysinger, Rumishek
OLB Gold, S. Orr
ILB D. Jones, L. Foote
OLB V. Hobson
CB T. Howard
CB Whitley
SS T. Hendricks
FS C. June

Brent
06-24-2010, 02:04 PM
Yeah, he said it was a little more than a decade...
I'm just being obnoxious

Sniper
06-24-2010, 02:38 PM
As for Nebraska and Florida, Nebraska I actually overrated and moved them down a little, I had them quite high originally. Still like them but the depth at linebacker is an issue and it is yet to be seen how great those defensive backs will become.

Nebraska had the second-lowest scoring defense since 2004 (sorry, cfbstats.com only goes back that far). They did it playing in a high-scoring conference and would have been better if they had an offense that could do anything.

Virginia Tech averaged 31.8 points per game. They scored 16 vs. Nebraska.
Texas Tech averaged 37 points per game. They scored 31 vs. Nebraska.
Texas averaged 39.3 points per game. They scored 12 (!!!!) vs. Nebraska.
Oklahoma averaged 31.1 points per game. They scored, um, yeah, 3, vs. Nebraska.
Arizona averaged 27.4 points per game. Nebraska shut them out.

Florida overrated? How, the fact that the defensive line was absolutely sick you did not like? Or the fact they had very fine linebacker play, or the fact they had Reggie Nelson who absolutely dominated at safety, much less got great performances out of corner Ryan Smith intercepting passes. That defensive line was outstanding though and one of the best and deepest I have seen. One could argue they are the best in this group, at least their ends are better than Nebraska's last year with Moss, Harvey and company.

Florida was a very good defense. However, they ranked sixth in scoring D, 33rd in pass defense, fifth in rushing defense, and didn't play offenses that were as good as Nebraska's.

Still waiting on the Va Tech and Tennessee defensive roster conversation, or any non standard defense conversation. I know some have watched other defenses outside of the obvious ones. Top to bottom conversation on all rosters is ideal but pick and choose conversation is a must I guess considering.....

Tennessee's defense in the front four was silly good. Virginia Tech, well, to be honest, I lose VT defenses in the shuffle because they're so consistently good without big names.

By the way, Reggie Nelson was the FS for Florida, not the SS.

Oh, Wisconsin '01 defense. You were so nasty.

Ozzy
06-25-2010, 07:33 AM
Nebraska had the second-lowest scoring defense since 2004 (sorry, cfbstats.com only goes back that far). They did it playing in a high-scoring conference and would have been better if they had an offense that could do anything.

Virginia Tech averaged 31.8 points per game. They scored 16 vs. Nebraska.
Texas Tech averaged 37 points per game. They scored 31 vs. Nebraska.
Texas averaged 39.3 points per game. They scored 12 (!!!!) vs. Nebraska.
Oklahoma averaged 31.1 points per game. They scored, um, yeah, 3, vs. Nebraska.
Arizona averaged 27.4 points per game. Nebraska shut them out.
I guess again I am not a big stat guy, but yes they were extremely impressive, just the fact they carried the football team like that, because the offense was just awful but they still won games because of that great defense. So yeah maybe they could be moved back up where I had them before.


Florida was a very good defense. However, they ranked sixth in scoring D, 33rd in pass defense, fifth in rushing defense, and didn't play offenses that were as good as Nebraska's. Again not a stat guy so I never looked at that. And it is debatable if those Big 12 offenses are that good, or Big 12 defenses are just that bad. SEC has some solid offensive teams from time to time, and much better offensive line talent usually. But just the linebackers alone make them get over Nebraska in terms of positional talent.


Oh, Wisconsin '01 defense. You were so nasty. I guess I was mistaken, the defense with the ball hawk Fletcher on it was in 2000. Not sure Bryant or James were great players back then as they were later, but yes that defense was led by those outstanding corners. Not that deep but great corner play.


I guess in 05 they were pretty good too, only freshman with Levy, Casillas, Ike and Langford but a great class and a pretty talented group. Dontez Sanders I just loved at linebacker. Remember a few years back these guy had a great group with these freshman but they did not do all that well during the season.
DE J. Cooper, Shaughnessy
DT Chapman
DT Hayden
DE Monty, Schofield
OLB D. Sanders
ILB Zalewski
OLB Casillas, Levy
CB Ikegwuonu
CB B. Bell, Langford
SS Stellmacher, White
FS R. Rogers

LizardState
06-25-2010, 04:24 PM
The 05 Crimson Tide defense just missed the cut? If you measure how well they did at the next level, you have to consider them.

NFL starters in bold:

*Alabama 2005
DE W. Gilberry, E. Knight
DT B. Greenwood
DT J. Clark, D. Lee
DE M. Anderson
OLB D. Ryans
ILB F. Roach, P. Hall
OLB J. Simpson
CB S. Castille, R. Robinson
CB C. Peprah, A. Madison
SS R. Harper
FS J. Dukes, R. Johnson

DE Wallace Gilberry later led the SEC in TFLs, Mark Anderson led the NFL in sacks the next yr. as a Chicago Bear rookie, Demeco Ryans was the Defensive MVP with the Texans, & Roman Harper was doing very well with the Saints as a rookie safety until he tore his knee up, he's still trying to come back from that injury. Harper was also the Bama safety who saved the W vs. Tennessee in 05 with a bone-jarring tackle at the goal line to knock the ball out for a touchback.

Blessed Big Ten Network, help filling the boring days of summer. Had a great game on last night between Alabama and Michigan. Two fine defenses.

I remember that bowl game loss to Michigan in OT, the Wolverines had that unknown guy at QB named Tom Brady...... the 2 good defenses kind of cancelled one another out & it went into OT.

JayP
06-25-2010, 07:20 PM
I think you're thinking of the 2002 ND defense, which should be given a helluva lot more credit that they're getting. When your team goes 10-3 and you can easily chalk up 8 of the wins to defense making plays, that's a hellified defense. If the offense had a freakin' clue that year, ND would have stayed in the NC hunt longer than they did.

The roster for the 2002 team was as follows:

Notre Dame 2002
DE J. Tuck
DT C. Hilliard
DT D. Campbell
DE K. Budinscak
OLB M. Goolsby*
ILB C. Watson
OLB D. Curry
CB S. Walton
CB V. Duff
SS G. Sapp
FS G. Earl

*Goolsby was hurt most of the season, so the other starting position varied.

Sniper
06-26-2010, 07:29 PM
I remember that bowl game loss to Michigan in OT, the Wolverines had that unknown guy at QB named Tom Brady...... the 2 good defenses kind of cancelled one another out & it went into OT.

<3 David Terrell.

Ozzy
06-27-2010, 07:27 AM
LizardState The 05 Crimson Tide defense just missed the cut? If you measure how well they did at the next level, you have to consider them.

NFL starters in bold:

*Alabama 2005
DE W. Gilberry, E. Knight
DT B. Greenwood
DT J. Clark, D. Lee
DE M. Anderson
OLB D. Ryans
ILB F. Roach, P. Hall
OLB J. Simpson
CB S. Castille, R. Robinson
CB C. Peprah, A. Madison
SS R. Harper
FS J. Dukes, R. Johnson

DE Wallace Gilberry later led the SEC in TFLs, Mark Anderson led the NFL in sacks the next yr. as a Chicago Bear rookie, Demeco Ryans was the Defensive MVP with the Texans, & Roman Harper was doing very well with the Saints as a rookie safety until he tore his knee up, he's still trying to come back from that injury. Harper was also the Bama safety who saved the W vs. Tennessee in 05 with a bone-jarring tackle at the goal line to knock the ball out for a touchback.I really like that defense, but so many good ones are ahead of them. But yes could argue it, I like them a lot more than most do because I loved Peprah as a defensive back, LOVED him and Castille I thought was outstanding as well. Prince Hall was lights out as a freshman that year also, too bad his career did not end like that. But yes it was an amazing defense but so was the 1999 defense where Griffin is better than any defensive lineman they had in 05 I feel. But yes they could get up higher but that defensive line is not at that level as some other groups.




JayP I think you're thinking of the 2002 ND defense, which should be given a helluva lot more credit that they're getting. When your team goes 10-3 and you can easily chalk up 8 of the wins to defense making plays, that's a hellified defense. If the offense had a freakin' clue that year, ND would have stayed in the NC hunt longer than they did.

The roster for the 2002 team was as follows:

Notre Dame 2002
DE J. Tuck
DT C. Hilliard
DT D. Campbell
DE K. Budinscak
OLB M. Goolsby*
ILB C. Watson
OLB D. Curry
CB S. Walton
CB V. Duff
SS G. Sapp
FS G. Earl

*Goolsby was hurt most of the season, so the other starting position varied.No the 2003 had more depth and overall talent with Landri, Laws, Zbikowski, Abiamiri and Hoyte I feel. But yes that 2002 defense was good but could make the argument they looked like a flat out joke late in the season and in the bowl game. I never though guys like Sapp, Earl, Vuff or Walton lived up to their potential, none of them did. I thought it was a great defense as well and they were at times but not that good. It has more to do with the fact that they have had so many awful ones as of late, anything resembling solid is considered great or outstanding. But yes lack of production of these players at the next level speaks to their overall talent. They have a lot of decent players, very few elite outside of Tuck. But yes hopefully the Irish get back to their defensive ways but based on Kelly's history, I doubt that happens.

Ozzy
06-27-2010, 07:49 AM
Here is a tough one I found, the 2002 visus 2000 Ohio State defensive.


The 02 defense has the depth I think and overall talent, especially at linebacker, plus the defensive line was a lot more well polished. But the 2000 defense had great linebackers as well, Bullard and Cooper were both really good, And they have Clements, a great corner along with Derek Ross, Nickey and Doss. But the defensive line was the main weakness because those players were not proven yet. But the 2002 defense accomplished a lot more and Gamble was an absolute game changer.


2002 Ohio State
DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
DT D. Scott, Pitcock
DT T. Anderson, M. Green
DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
CB C. Gamble
CB D. Fox, Underwood
SS Doss, T. Everett
FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley



2000 Ohio State
DE K. Peterson
DT T. Anderson
DT M. Collins, M. Green
DE W. Smith
OLB C. Bullard
ILB Wilhelm, R. Reynolds
OLB J. Cooper, C. Grant
CB N. Clements
CB D. Ross
SS M. Doss
FS D. Nickey, W. Allen

keylime_5
06-27-2010, 08:50 AM
2000 defense kinda sucked. guys like wilhelm, doss, nickey, allen, smith, peterson, anderson, and grant were great in 2002 as upperclassmen. they were too young in 2000. No question that 2002 and 1998 were our two best defenses until 2005, 2008, and 2009. I'd rank them like this for this decade:

1-2002
1a-2005
3-2009
4-2008
5-2007
6-2003

Ozzy
06-27-2010, 10:04 PM
keylime_5 2000 defense kinda sucked. guys like wilhelm, doss, nickey, allen, smith, peterson, anderson, and grant were great in 2002 as upperclassmen. they were too young in 2000. No question that 2002 and 1998 were our two best defenses until 2005, 2008, and 2009. I'd rank them like this for this decade:

1-2002
1a-2005
3-2009
4-2008
5-2007
6-2003
I guess I might be incorrect, forgot that a few of my defenses on here go as far back as 1997, and in that time span the 1998 Ohio State defense was lights out, I personally do not remember a ton from that group but clearly they had quite a few talented players. Not sure if this is exact but this is what I could gather was there group.

DE R. Bailey
DT Collins
DT Pickett
DE Wayne
OLB Diggs
ILB Katzenmoyer
OLB J. Cooper
CB Winfield, D. Mitchell
CB Plummer
SS Berry
FS D. Moore


If that is correct? If so I will make the changes needed, clearly Cooper, Pickett and Bailey are over lapping players. But Winfield and Plummer, cannot get much better than them, and Berry was a stud safety.

Sorry for the mistake, not sure how I forgot them, if that is their legit roster they could be really high up there. I would put them over 2002 Ohio State because of the talent level, sure not exactly aware of the depth at all positions but just like the older Penn State and Michigan defenses, they had such star players hard to beat that top flight talent with even depth.

Sniper
06-28-2010, 07:51 AM
I'd have a hard time putting any recent OSU defense ahead of their '02 defense. That defense was amazing and stepped up big. They were the only reason that the refs were able to hand the Buckeyes the NC.

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 01:54 PM
Just found another great defense I forgot, this Florida State defense was outstanding, had great group of linebackers led by Sims, had Cromartie in form and solid safeties as well, plus very good defensive line play with Bunkley and Wimbley. One of their best, even during a down time for them they could still play defense, outside of last season of course.


2004 Florida State
DE Wimbley
DT Bunkley
DT Fluellen
DE C. Davis
OLB E. Sims
ILB B. Davis
OLB AJ. Nicholson, Timmons
CB A. Cromartie, L. Smith
CB B. McFadden, T. Carter
SS J. Carter
FS P. Watkins




Was going to put that LSU defense with Trev Faulk and Bradie James on it but not enough other stars on the team to include them.

JayP
06-28-2010, 02:03 PM
No the 2003 had more depth and overall talent with Landri, Laws, Zbikowski, Abiamiri and Hoyte I feel. But yes that 2002 defense was good but could make the argument they looked like a flat out joke late in the season and in the bowl game. I never though guys like Sapp, Earl, Vuff or Walton lived up to their potential, none of them did. I thought it was a great defense as well and they were at times but not that good. It has more to do with the fact that they have had so many awful ones as of late, anything resembling solid is considered great or outstanding. But yes lack of production of these players at the next level speaks to their overall talent. They have a lot of decent players, very few elite outside of Tuck. But yes hopefully the Irish get back to their defensive ways but based on Kelly's history, I doubt that happens.

Depth does not equate to quality. And Hoyte and Landri were part of that 2002 defense, albeit role players.

The 2002 defense was #10 in rushing defense, #46 in passing defense, #13 in total defense, #9 in scoring defense, recovered 12 fumbles, intercepted 21 passes, gave up 217 points, and went 10-3.

The 2003 defense was #29 in rushing defense, #48 in passing defense, #33 in total defense, #65 in scoring defense, recovered 17 fumbles, intercepted 13 passes, gave up 315 points, and went 5-7.

If you want to argue that the 2002 team was not deep, I'll give you that one, but statistically, they were far better than the 2003 edition. And the only reason the defense looked bad at the end of the season was because they wore down over the season. You can only succeed so often when the offense is going 3 and out the majority of the time.

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 02:14 PM
Depth does not equate to quality. And Hoyte and Landri were part of that 2002 defense, albeit role players.

The 2002 defense was #10 in rushing defense, #46 in passing defense, #13 in total defense, #9 in scoring defense, recovered 12 fumbles, intercepted 21 passes, gave up 217 points, and went 10-3.

The 2003 defense was #29 in rushing defense, #48 in passing defense, #33 in total defense, #65 in scoring defense, recovered 17 fumbles, intercepted 13 passes, gave up 315 points, and went 5-7.

If you want to argue that the 2002 team was not deep, I'll give you that one, but statistically, they were far better than the 2003 edition. And the only reason the defense looked bad at the end of the season was because they wore down over the season. You can only succeed so often when the offense is going 3 and out the majority of the time. You have a good point, however I would take the players on the 2003 team as a collective group any day over the players on the 2002 team. But yes statistically they were a better defense, but if I went only on statistics, how can one translate statistical success across a time span of over 10 years? I have said before this is based off players basically, not defensive rankings but yes one can prove a point or two with those from time to time. You have a point though, guess I really liked just liked Zbikowski as a player, same with Abiamiri and that put the 2003 defense over the 2002 one for me with Tuck and many other player still on both rosters.

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 02:18 PM
Here is a challenge, can someone find the Arizona defensive starting lineup from 1998, I can find the roster but not the starters, the one with Chris McAllister, they had a great group, these are the only players I can find from that roster though, it is not complete


1998 Arizona

DE Tafoya
DT
DT
DE
OLB D. Polk
ILB M. Bell
OLB Sprotte A. Pierce
CB McAllister
CB K. Hunter
SS
FS R. Jones


Those linebackers were great, I was a huge Marcus Bell fan, loved some of those outside guys as well, and Tafoya could really play.

Sniper
06-28-2010, 03:49 PM
You have a good point, however I would take the players on the 2003 team as a collective group any day over the players on the 2002 team.

So, you're basically picking these teams based on which players you liked better compared to what they did on the field?

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 04:39 PM
Sniper So, you're basically picking these teams based on which players you liked better compared to what they did on the field?I sadly do not have a time machine nor do I have game tape of each and every defense on here, all I have is my memory of what each defense did and my memory of what each prospect was like, plus the information on which prospects succeeded at the next level or even got to the next level of football.

If you care to find the defensive statistics and rankings of all of these defensive units be my guest. I personally do not want to even attempt that, finding the rosters was hard enough much less thinking of which defensive units were good or not, thank you very much.

Sniper
06-28-2010, 04:50 PM
I sadly do not have a time machine nor do I have game tape of each and every defense on here, all I have is my memory of what each defense did and my memory of what each prospect was like, plus the information on which prospects succeeded at the next level or even got to the next level of football.

If you care to find the defensive statistics and rankings of all of these defensive units be my guest. I personally do not want to even attempt that, finding the rosters was hard enough much less thinking of which defensive units were good or not, thank you very much.

Right, I wouldn't expect you to remember every player. However, when a fan of a team clearly proves that one defense was superior to the other and you got with the cop-out that "I like Player Z over Player X" and completely ignoring the actual on-field results, it doesn't make sense.

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 06:21 PM
A few more rosters I will be ranking possibly later on tonight, that NC State group is sick in the front four, I forgot about them, they were flat out dominating, loved how Manny Lawson played and McCargo was a load in the middle. Plus Hoyte was a stud inside backer with those guys infront of him.


2005 NC State
DE M. Williams, L. Wright
DT D. Pressley, A. Cash
DT J. McCargo, D. Tyler
DE M. Lawson, W. Young
OLB S. Tulloch
ILB O. Hoyte
OLB P. Lowery
CB AJ Davis
CB M. Hudson
SS G. Heath
FS L. Rumph, D. Morgan


2005 Kansas
DE C. Keith
DT C. Blakesley
DT J. McClinton
DE J. Wheeler
OLB J. Mortensen, B. Perkins
ILB N. Reid
OLB M. Rivera, J. Holt
CB A. Talib
CB C. Gordon
SS J. Kemp
FS D. Stuckey, J. Thornton


2008 Utah
DE P. Kruger
DT Talamaivao
DT Filiaga
DE K. Misi
OLB Sylvester
ILB M. Wright
OLB Fotu
CB S. Smith
CB B. McCain, R, Stanford
SS J. Dale
FS R. Johnson


2006 Cal
DE Ma'afala
DT Mebane
DT T. Alualu
DE Tafisi
OLB A. Felder
ILB D. Bishop
OLB W. Williams, Z. Follett
CB D. Hughes
CB T. Mixon
SS B. Hicks
FS T. DeCoud

RealityCheck
06-28-2010, 07:28 PM
2005 NC State
DE M. Williams, L. Wright
DT D. Pressley, A. Cash
DT J. McCargo, D. Tyler
DE M. Lawson, W. Young

Prospect-wise, that is the greatest DL of all-time, until someone proves it wrong.

And you know who will prove it wrong.

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 08:01 PM
And this Michigan State defense was tough and very bad ass, very aggressive and a really good group. That Miss State defense, not a lot of big names but was big time and really played great football.

1999 Michigan State
DE R. Smith
DT D. Bernard
DT D. Thomas
DE J. Hendricks
OLB J. Peterson
ILB TJ. Turner
OLB J. Thornhill
CB A. Cambell, B. Nelson
CB R. Hill, C. Henry
SS T. Wright
FS R. Newsome




1998 Texas A&M
DE R. Bernard
DT R. Edwards
DE Flemons
OLB C. Anthony
ILB D. Nguyen
ILB J. Glenn
OLB W. Holdman
CB J. Webster
CB S. Curry
SS M. Jameson
FS R. Coady




2002 Washington State
DE I. Brown
DT R. Long
DT Tupai
DE Acholonu
OLB K. Sperry
ILB W. Derting
OLB P. Bennett
CB M. Trufant
CB K. Paymah, J. David
SS E. Coleman
FS H. Abdullah




2000 Miss State
DE E. Wyms
DT W. Blade
DT D. Davis, T. Golliday
DE C. Stephens
OLB J. Clark
ILB M. Haggan
OLB R. Knight
CB F. Smoot
CB S. Byrdsong, E. Clinton
SS P. Prather
FS J. Morgan

Ozzy
06-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Prospect-wise, that is the greatest DL of all-time, until someone proves it wrong.

And you know who will prove it wrong.Maybe but I doubt it, Quinn is elite and Austin is, but they have no one like Lawson, Williams and Lawson were big time, UNC at this moment does not have a combo like that. And one could really argue about the depth of NC State's defensive tackles kills UNC.


They arguably had more depth at DL in Chapel Hill during Austin's freshman year

2007 UNC DL
DE H. Taylor
DT Balmer, K. Guy
DT Austin, C. Thomas
DE EJ. Wilson


They need another lineman outside of Quinn and Austin to step up if they want to be a historic defensive line. Let us be serious, LSU in 2004 were way better than UNC or NC State arguably in terms of quality depth.

2004 LSU DL
DE M. Spears, M. Oliver, T. Johnson
DT K. Williams, C. Wroten
DT G. Dorsey, M. Favorite
DE C. Pittman, T. Jackson








Also a completely homer pick but what about this 1999 Golden Gopher defense? Had solid rush ends in Riley and White, decent linebackers and outstanding defensive backs. Award winner Tyrone Carter, big time prospect in Middlebrooks, and other solid corners in Wyrick and Lehan and depth at safety with Brewer, Ward and Jones.


Sure not great but considering their defenses now a days, this is one of the best ever for Minnesota, sadly doubt they have a defense anywhere close to this one anytime soon.

http://www.collegefootballhistory.com/golden_gophers/minnesota_100.gif
DE K. Riley
DT Schlecht
DT D. Russ
DE G. White
OLB C. Poole
ILB S. Hoffman
OLB B. Mezera
CB W. Middlebrooks
CB J. Wyrick, M. Lehan
SS T. Carter, E. Ward
FS D. Jones J. Brewer

BamaFalcon59
07-05-2010, 07:52 PM
So a number one ranked defense (you know, VT 2005) isn't even a top 50 unit of the decade. And another number one unit (VT 2006) isn't in the top 20.

lol.

Ozzy
07-05-2010, 10:04 PM
BamaFalcon59 So a number one ranked defense (you know, VT 2005) isn't even a top 50 unit of the decade. And another number one unit (VT 2006) isn't in the top 20.

lol.Apparently, not only can you not speak of only Virginia Tech football, but also you cannot read. The very impressive 2005 Virginia Tech defense is ranked 21st on this list, look again.



21) 2005
Virginia Tech
DE D. Tapp O. Martin
DT J. Lewis
DT C. Powell
DE C. Ellis Burchette
OLB X. Adibi
ILB V. Hall
OLB J. Anderson
CB J. Williams, V. Harris
CB B. Flowers
SS A. Rouse, D. Parker
FS J. Hamilton

BamaFalcon59
07-05-2010, 11:45 PM
Apparently, not only can you not speak of only Virginia Tech football, but also you cannot read. The very impressive 2005 Virginia Tech defense is ranked 21st on this list, look again.



21) 2005
Virginia Tech
DE D. Tapp O. Martin
DT J. Lewis
DT C. Powell
DE C. Ellis Burchette
OLB X. Adibi
ILB V. Hall
OLB J. Anderson
CB J. Williams, V. Harris
CB B. Flowers
SS A. Rouse, D. Parker
FS J. Hamilton

I mentioned two squads, 2005 and 2006.

But hey, if you don't have a 2006 VT squad on your list, that just hurts your credibility. Not that they had the number one ranked defense nationally in points allowed, yards allowed, and passing yards allowed. Not that we held 10/13 opponents to thirteen or less points or anything. And not to mention our offense often put the defensive unit in horrible situations. But whatever :).

2006
Virginia Tech.
DE C. Ellis, O. Martin
DT B. Booker, K. Robertson
DT C. Powell
DE N. Burchette, N. Brown
ILB X. Adibi
ILB V. Hall
WHIP B. Hill
CB V. Harris
CB B. Flowers
SS A. Rouse
FS D. Parker

Sniper
07-06-2010, 07:08 AM
I mentioned two squads, 2005 and 2006.

But hey, if you don't have a 2006 VT squad on your list, that just hurts your credibility. Not that they had the number one ranked defense nationally in points allowed, yards allowed, and passing yards allowed. Not that we held 10/13 opponents to thirteen or less points or anything. And not to mention our offense often put the defensive unit in horrible situations. But whatever :)

Well, they're no '07 Illinois.

BamaFalcon59
07-06-2010, 09:26 AM
Well, they're no '07 Illinois.

Hah, I said the same thing when I saw them on the list.

Ozzy
07-07-2010, 07:18 AM
I mentioned two squads, 2005 and 2006.

But hey, if you don't have a 2006 VT squad on your list, that just hurts your credibility. Not that they had the number one ranked defense nationally in points allowed, yards allowed, and passing yards allowed. Not that we held 10/13 opponents to thirteen or less points or anything. And not to mention our offense often put the defensive unit in horrible situations. But whatever :).

2006
Virginia Tech.
DE C. Ellis, O. Martin
DT B. Booker, K. Robertson
DT C. Powell
DE N. Burchette, N. Brown
ILB X. Adibi
ILB V. Hall
WHIP B. Hill
CB V. Harris
CB B. Flowers
SS A. Rouse
FS D. ParkerAgain reading would be key, I said before I do not duplicate rosters with players that over lap year by year. I try to pick the best of the group and select that year.

Thanks for the comedy though, still moderately disappointed about the lack of knowledge involving many of the fine older defenses, what most people only started watching college football in 2003?

BamaFalcon59
07-07-2010, 08:41 AM
Seeing how I'm 18, I started watching around 2005.

Not only that, I would take the 2006 defense over the 2005 unit (if taking one, which sounds ridiculous to me, considering a year of returning players and a few different starters is a stark contrast), considering we returned sevenish starters and that DJ Parker/ Macho Harris were upgrades over their 2005 counterparts (Jimmy Williams and Justin Hamilton).

Tapp and Anderson were players, but a year of experience on seven players + two upgrades overshadows two downgrades.

JMO.

Ozzy
08-03-2010, 09:15 PM
Just found another outstanding defense, watched them on tv recently and I remember how great they were. Outstanding linebackers, Simoneau was just wonderful. Solid corners and big time safeties, not to mention a solid defensive line with outstanding big tackles in McIntosh and Rowe.



With those big time linebackers, outstanding safeties and size up front I would say they barely crack the top 25, a very rare defense they were.

1998 Kansas State Wildcats

DE D. Howard
DT D. McIntosh
DT A. Rowe
DE J. Clements, C. Johnson
OLB M. Simoneau
ILB J. Kelly
OLB T. Ochs, B. Leber
CB G. Neasman
CB D. Carter, J. Butler
SS J. Cooper
FS L. Chapman, C. Scott

Ozzy
04-23-2011, 04:37 PM
Well another season of college football has gone. Not sure any new teams can be included into the list of top defensive units over the past few years. TCU was a fine defense but most of that was because of poor competition, however they did play great against Wisconsin. Ohio State had a fine defense but not sure they stack up depth wise against some of their defenses of the past. Auburn and Oregon had good defenses but both had holes in them and were all around not as solid as some.

Iowa sure did underachieve in 2010 with the depth they had, their defensive line did not play up to expectations. And it was too bad UNC was not able to play as a unit last year, they could have really been great.




Here is a early look at the potential top defenses next year in college football. Which could change clearly greatly seeing how what new freshman make an impact.

2011 College Football potential top defensive units:


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DE B. Jenkins
DT J. McDaniel
DT D. McAllister
DE D. Hicks
OLB N. Bradham
ILB J. Luc
OLB N. Carr
CB G. Reid, L. Joyner
CB X. Rhodes, M. Harris
SS N. Moody
FS T. Parks, G. Demps


http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/333.gif
DE D. Square
DT Chapman
DE
OLB D. Hightower
ILB C. Mosley
ILB N. Johnson
OLB C. Upshaw
CB D. Kirkpatrick
CB D. Milliner
SS M. Barron
FS R. Lester


http://www.sportsbooklists.com/images/sports-logos/ncaa_logos/nebraska.gif
DE C. Meredith
DT J. Crick
DT B. Steinkuhler, T. Moore
DE E. Martin, J. Williams
OLB S. Fisher
ILB L. David
OLB W. Compton
CB A. Dennard
CB
SS A. Cassidy
FS PJ. Smith


http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/football/southeastern/conference/south_carolina.png
DE D. Taylor
DT T. Robertson
DT
DE B. McKnight
OLB A. Allen, D. Jeffery
ILB R. Paulk
OLB S. Wilson
CB S. Gilmore
CB A Auguste, CC. Whitlock
SS DJ Swearinger
FS D. Holloman, A. Winfield



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DE W. Gholston
DT J. Worthy
DT Rashad-White
DE T. Hoover
OLB C. Norman
ILB
OLB
CB J. Adams
CB T. Robinson
SS J. Jones
FS


http://www.american-school-search.com/images/small-icon/university-of-oklahoma.gif
DE F. Alexander
DT S. McGee
DT J. McFarland
DE J. Chaisson
OLB T. Lewis
ILB A. Box
OLB R. Lewis
CB T. Jefferson
CB J. Fleming, A. Colvin
SS
FS S. Proctor


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DE Lewis- Moore, Cwynar
DT H. Williams
DE E. Johnson
OLB P. Shembo
ILB M. Te'o
ILB C. Calabrese
OLB D. Fleming
CB R. Blanton
CB
SS H. Smith
FS Z. Motta, J. Slaughter


http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/unc_50.gif
DE Q. Coples
DT T. Powell
DT
DE Paige- Moss, M. McAdoo
OLB Z. Brown
ILB K. Reddick
OLB
CB T. Boston
CB C. Brown
SS
FS

JayP
04-25-2011, 07:36 PM
Your ND roster is jacked up. Here's how it goes, with positions that are up for grabs listed with the people fighting for the spot:

DE K. Lewis-Moore
DT S. Cwynar, L. Nix
DE E. Johnson
OLB P. Shembo, D. Spond
ILB M. Te'o
ILB C. Calabrese, D. Fox
OLB D. Fleming
CB R. Blanton
CB G. Gray
SS H. Smith
FS Z. Motta, J. Slaughter

Ozzy
04-25-2011, 08:04 PM
Your ND roster is jacked up. Here's how it goes, with positions that are up for grabs listed with the people fighting for the spot:

DE K. Lewis-Moore
DT S. Cwynar, L. Nix
DE E. Johnson
OLB P. Shembo, D. Spond
ILB M. Te'o
ILB C. Calabrese, D. Fox
OLB D. Fleming
CB R. Blanton
CB G. Gray
SS H. Smith
FS Z. Motta, J. SlaughterWow, Gray is back? They really could have a up start defense that will shock a lot of people. They could be very solid, will wait and see how they do.

SickwithIt1010
04-25-2011, 08:16 PM
Wow, Gray is back? They really could have a up start defense that will shock a lot of people. They could be very solid, will wait and see how they do.

Wait, ND with high expectations and hype coming into a season? Weird!!!

keylime_5
04-25-2011, 09:01 PM
i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.

Ozzy
04-26-2011, 04:38 PM
keylime_5 i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.
Are you serious? This could be the best Ohio defense in over a decade? Please that is just wrong in my opinion. Moeller, how is he still a Buckeye, what is this his 10th year of eligibility? The defensive line, Williams is ok but it is just incorrect to say they will be better than last year, much less the year before that. All of their fine linebackers are gone, these young guys could be good but then again they might not be. The corners are very suspect and need to prove themselves a lot. To call this a deep defense? Why, depth is with experienced proven players, Ohio State barely has any of those on this defense outside of Nathan Williams and John Simon.

JoeJoeBrown
04-26-2011, 05:01 PM
Are you serious? This could be the best Ohio defense in over a decade? Please that is just wrong in my opinion. Moeller, how is he still a Buckeye, what is this his 10th year of eligibility? The defensive line, Williams is ok but it is just incorrect to say they will be better than last year, much less the year before that. All of their fine linebackers are gone, these young guys could be good but then again they might not be. The corners are very suspect and need to prove themselves a lot. To call this a deep defense? Why, depth is with experienced proven players, Ohio State barely has any of those on this defense outside of Nathan Williams and John Simon.

Agree that the depth outside of LB isn't there.

Dunno about how they will rank overall. There are some talented players that were in the wings last year. Rawness is their biggest issue.

They will be very good by the end of the season.

keylime_5
04-26-2011, 05:35 PM
I didn't mean in the past decade, I meant this season. Hankins, Howard, Goebel, Bellamy, Sweat, Moeller, S.Thomas and Bryant have played a lot of minutes. Injuries last year led OSU to see a lot of their young players in crucial situations. Simon and Williams had about as good of springs as any OSU defensive lineman since Tressel has been here, and both were very good in 2010. Hankins looks like what dominant players look like before they break out, and he should break out this fall. The defensive line is about 8 or 9 deep with 3 guys who will be dominant players (Hankins, Simon, & Williams) with Goebel, Bellamy, and Thomas rotating in doing the dirty work, and that is why the defense will be so good.

wicket
04-26-2011, 05:39 PM
i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.

Im honestly not even sure if yall have a better D than we do next year. Not saying your D is bad or anything but its not gonna be special by OSU standards

wicket
04-26-2011, 05:40 PM
Wait, ND with high expectations and hype coming into a season? Weird!!!

no worries, just defense, offense is gonna blow

keylime_5
04-26-2011, 05:41 PM
trust me, it won't be any worse than it's been since 2005. They get faster at linebacker and on the defensive line and they have lots of depth in the front seven. Those elite recruiting classes we had in 2008 and 2009 will start showing up on that side of the ball this year. The 3rd stringers aren't much less talented than the 1st stringers on our D. If only we recruited the same kind of depth on the O-Line.

J52
05-04-2011, 07:01 PM
The 2001 Hurricanes had six first round draft picks... playing defensive back.

Jesus...

MassNole
05-11-2011, 03:52 PM
Great list, I would however replace the 2004 FSU defense with the 2003 FSU defense and add Darnell Dockett and Travis Johnson to that mix. I know Sims and Cromartie were freshmen, but both played a lot of snaps that season.

MassNole
05-11-2011, 03:54 PM
The 2001 Hurricanes had six first round draft picks... playing defensive back.

Jesus...

Hope Miami fans won't disagree Mark Stoops is one of the best DB coaches in the country with what he did with those players.

JoeJoeBrown
05-11-2011, 04:12 PM
Hope Miami fans won't disagree Mark Stoops is one of the best DB coaches in the country with what he did with those players.

Wait, are you calling Mark Stoops a douchebag?

Ozzy
05-11-2011, 04:18 PM
MassNole Hope Miami fans won't disagree Mark Stoops is one of the best DB coaches in the country with what he did with those players.True but it is not like they are untalented prospects that he is coaching. The talent level at defensive back for the Noles last year was just very deep compared to the past five years or so at Florida State. Let us be frank here, if Mark Stoops coached the Golden Gophers defensive backs, you think they would be all that successful? A coach is a coach but they always need good players, sure some can make good players great but not many.

Ozzy
07-02-2011, 07:57 AM
Just made a switch after watching an old game on TV. The 1997 Nebraska defense was the better in that grouping than the 1998 defense. The fact Winstrom and Peters were on that defensive line instantly makes them better than than the 1998 defense. Plus the fact Eric Warfield was at the FS spot and was very solid for them.

1997
DE G. Winstrom
DT J. Peters
DT J. Wiltz, C. Warren
DE M. Rucker, Vanden Bosch
OLB T. Ortiz
ILB J. Foreman
OLB C. Polk
CB R. Brown
CB E. Swiney, J. Walker
SS M .Brown
FS E. Warfield, B. Harrison



1998
DE Vanden Bosch
DT S. Warren
DT Slechta
DE M. Rucker, C. Kelsay
OLB J. Foreman, J. Burrow
ILB D. Polk
OLB E. Johnson
CB R. Brown, D. Groce
CB K. Craver, J. Walker
SS M .Brown
FS D. Booker

etk
07-02-2011, 10:56 AM
i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.

Epic homer post once again keylime. I counted 4 returning starters (correct me if I'm wrong) and we're supposed to believe that's the best defense in the country? Any homer fan can pretend that their "young talented players" who have never seen the field before are gonna take the world by storm. Yeesh.

Woody56
07-02-2011, 11:04 PM
TCU

5 years in the past 10 the #1 ranked defense, with the last 3 years consecutive and a bunch of NFL players and not one unit on the list. SMH.

Ozzy
07-03-2011, 08:40 AM
TCU

5 years in the past 10 the #1 ranked defense, with the last 3 years consecutive and a bunch of NFL players and not one unit on the list. SMH.
Look again at the competition they play throughout the year. It will be real interesting if they are as successful on defense in the Big East playing Big East competition all year. The Big East is not even that great of a conference but it does provide much better competition that what they had before.

Might have a point with last years defense for TCU, but the star power is lacking and the elite corner play is also not that great. Or at least this past year I think it was.

DE W. Daniels, S. Maponga
DT
DT
DE B. Broughton
LB T. Carder
LB T. Brock
CB G. McCoy
CB J. Teague
SS C. Jones
RV T. Cuba, A. Ibiloye
FS T. Johnson


Possibly some years previous to this one, they had some great linebackers back then, I will look at the rosters from a few years back and maybe they could be included in the list.


Thanks for bringing it up!

Ozzy
07-03-2011, 09:09 AM
Possible TCU defensive units that might make the list, but I am missing a few players and cannot seem to find a 2009 roster.

2007
DE T. Blake, J. Hughes
DT Christopher
DT J. Vess
DE C. Ortiz
OLB J. Phillips
ILB D. Hawthorne
OLB R. Henson, D. Washington
CB R. Priest
CB N. Sanders
SS S. Hodge
FS D. Roach, B. Bonner



2009
DE J. Hughes
DT W. Daniels
DT
DE
LB D. Washington
LB R. Henson
CB R. Priest
CB N. Sanders
SS A. Ibiloye
RV C. Hunter
FS T. Johnson

YAYareaRB
07-05-2011, 03:47 PM
2008 Utah was pretty ****** beastly. not big named like these other teams but they had some ballers.

Ozzy
07-05-2011, 09:21 PM
2008 Utah was pretty ****** beastly. not big named like these other teams but they had some ballers.Good call, they were a very good defense and have quite a few current NFL players. Kruger was a monster off the edge, Sylvester and absolute star linebacker, really solid defensive backs, Smith was a stud and McCain was very good as well. But yes lack that wow factor, and a few pieces I am not sure who were the starters. But that was a very solid group. Could rival that TCU group but the linebackers on TCU wins out, from top to bottom. That Utah defense in 08 had some standout guys like Kruger and Sylvester carry each position core but overall depth was lacking if I remember right.


2008 Utah
DE P. Kruger
DT
DT
DE Misi
OLB Sylvester
ILB
OLB
CB B. McCain, B. Burton
CB S. Smith. J. Dale
SS
FS B. Johnson




Actually just put that 07 TCU defense #47 on the list, moved Virgina down a little because of lack of depth, great linebackers, like amazing linebackers but did not have the depth other units had. And again Utah could make it, originally I was going to add them but again lack of top down depth limits that in my opinion, huge Sean Smith fan, he was fun to watch, so was Sylvester.

Ozzy
07-05-2011, 09:59 PM
Another potential addition could be Clemson. Gaines was a monster as a senior, and Gaddis was a potential stud at corner, and they had some good linebacker play as well with Bille.

2006 Clemson Tigers
DE G. Adams
DT D. Clark
DT D. Scott
DE R. Sapp, P. Merling
OLB T. Bille
ILB J. Miller
OLB A. Clay
CB CJ. Gaddis
CB C. Clemons
SS K. Conner
FS M. Hamlin



Another fine one possible is Boston College from 07, studs in the middle with Brace and Raji, as good as it gets. Very deep and very good linebackers as well, Dunbar and McLaughlin were big time playmakers. And at defensive back Silva was an animal out their and Tribble could handle his own on the corner.

2007 Boston College
DE N. Larkin
DT Raji
DT Brace
DE Albright
OLB Dunbar, B. Toal, R. Francois
ILB McLaughlin
OLB T. Pruitt, Akins
CB D. Tribble
CB P. Anderson
SS J. Silva
FS M. Bowman




Clearly a great year from defense, the 06 Jackets had a fine deep, very deep defensive line that could pressure the quarterback easily. Fast linebackers with Hall and Wheeler and decent defensive backs with Kenny Scott at corner and solid safeties.

2006 Georgia Tech
DE M. Johnson
DT J. Anoai, D. Robertson
DT D. Richard, V. Walker
DE A. Oliver
OLB K. Hall
ILB P. Wheeler
OLB G. Guyton
CB K. Scott, A. Roberson
CB Word-Daniels
SS J. Lewis
FS D. Jones



A Miami defense that does not get remembered, very deep and talented group, not a lot of stars but tons of depth. Very solid defensive line, great linebackers with Beason and others. Then defensive back had star safeties as well. They are easily top 50 somewhere on that list.

2006 Miami Hurricanes
DE B. Atkins, B. Pata
DT A. Dixon
DT K. Brown
DE C. Campbell. V. Franklin
OLB J. Beason, C. McCarthy
ILB G. Cook
OLB T. Gooden, R. Davis
CB B. Johnson
CB G. Sharpe, R. Phillips
SS B. Meriweather, A. Reddick
FS K. Phillips, W. Cooper

LonghornsLegend
07-05-2011, 11:03 PM
John Henderson and Fat Al as your tandem tackles. Ugh.

Ozzy
07-05-2011, 11:20 PM
John Henderson and Fat Al as your tandem tackles. Ugh.Actually the year I listed on here Darwin Walker was the star opposite Henderson on that team, Haynesworth was the backup at the time I believe.

Still very impressive middle men in college, rarely does one school get such great defensive tackles at the same time. Best I can recall and they are defenses on this list is Texas with Hampton and Rogers, Georgia with Stroud and Seymour and Tennessee with Henderson and Haynesworth, also could add Boston College with Raji and Brace potentially. If you are talking just big boys Marcus Spears and Marquise Hill on LSU was pretty crazy as well.

Personally in terms of elite defensive tackles at the college level, Stroud and Seymour always impressed me the most, and it had a lot to do with Seymour.

Ozzy
07-06-2011, 04:12 PM
A few more additions that I made, many of these schools are already on the list. And changed a few other things, moved up Nebraska 1998 and moved down some other units.


Very impressive defense, Sheppard was a flat out star at corner, Alexander and one hell of a senior season as well. Davis was in the middle and played great, Nattiel gave speed at outside linebacker. Manuel and Johnson were outstanding safeties as well. The defense line was strong in the middle with Warren and had Alex Brown on the outside defensive end, he easily had the best game I have ever seen from a defensive end when he played Tennessee at the Swamp. I have them just crack the top 25, I think they were that good.

2000 Florida Gators
DE A. Brown, B. McCray
DT G. Warren
DT D. Chambers, B. Gurley
DE LaFavor, T Bullard
OLB M. Nattiel, T. Carroll
ILB A. Davis
OLB B. Hardmon
CB L. Sheppard
CB B. Alexander, R. Cromartie
SS M. Manuel, L. Norwood
FS T. Johnson, D. Dixon



Forgot about them, LSU defense, not great but the key is James and Faulk, two flat out great linebackers in college. Both elite players even as young freshman, had big time speed. At defensive back LeBlanc was a big hitter, Roman a very solid corner and Clark was another solid safety that provided good depth. Not a great defensive line but was strong and provided opportunities for those linebackers to shine. I have them ranked at 58th on this list.

1999 LSU
DE J. Green
DT K. Allen
DT J. Mitchell
DE K. Mitchell
OLB B. James
ILB T. Faulk
OLB C. Smith
CB M. Roman
CB F. Booker, D. Hookfin
SS C. LeBlanc
FS R. Clark, D. James



Someone brought this up awhile back, and looking at it they are a very good defense. Such a talented defensive line that did so much that year for Iowa. Their best year as a group arguably. The linebackers were good, Edds and Angerer were very speedy. The defensive backs sound as always, fine corners in Fletcher and Spievey, plus solid young safeties. I have this group ranked 37th.

2008 Iowa
DE A. Clayborn
DT M. King, Klug
DT M. Kroul
DE C. Ballard, B. Binns
OLB AJ. Edds
ILB P. Angerer, J. Coleman
OLB J. Hunter
CB B. Fletcher
CB A. Spievey
SS T. Sash
FS B. Greenwood



Cannot forget them, the defense that could have been in 2010. Still great in 09, very fine players, amazingly strong and deep defensive line with Austin and Thomas leading the way. Quinn had a great year also for them, the linebackers were always stars and always going to them stars. The defensive backs were talented as well, Burney was a stud and I really liked Melvin Williams along with D. Williams. I have them ranked 41st but could have been a lot higher if 2010 would have turned out different.

2009 UNC
DE R. Quinn, Q. Coples
DT M. Austin
DT C. Thomas, T. Powell
DE EJ. Wilson, M. McAdoo
OLB B. Carter
ILB Q. Sturdivant
OLB Z. Brown
CB K. Burney
CB C. Brown
SS M. Williams, M. Merletti
FS D. Williams, D. Searcy


Loved their safeties, Morley and Berry were flat out studs, great players that completely made up for their lack at the corner spot. Solid linebackers as well, leading the way was McCoy. On they defensive line they were good with Ayers and Dan Williams also, not as strong as other years but top to bottom a solid and very good defense. I have them ranked 53rd on this list.

2008 Tennessee
DE R. Ayers
DT D. Williams
DT D. Bolden
DE W. Brown, B. Martin
OLB R. McCoy
ILB Myers-White
OLB L. Thompson
CB D. Willingham
CB M. Johnson
SS E. Berry
FS D. Morley, A. Gaines



Finally got what I think is the roster for them, loved their linebackers with Bell, Polk and Sprotte much less Piece as well. Amazing corner in McAllister and Hunter was ok on the other side for Zona. Tafoya was a beast off the edge as well. Not great depth on the defensive line but overall a great defense and should be on this list. I have them 56th.

1998 Arizona
DE Tafoya, K. Fraser
DT D. Greer
DT I. Haroon
DE M. Robertson
OLB D. Polk
ILB M. Bell
OLB Sprotte A. Pierce
CB McAllister
CB K. Hunter
SS G. Payne
FS R. Jones





And always due to change but as or right now here is how things stand in terms of what schools have the most defensive units on this list over the past 13 plus season of college football. The school is indicated, starting with the rank of the unit and then the year.

*Schools with three units on the list:
Ohio State
4- 2002
6- 1998
13- 2008

Florida
11- 2006
15- 1997
25- 2000

Alabama
9- 2009
28- 2005
33- 1999


*Schools with two units the list:
Miami
1- 2001
43- 2006

USC
2- 2007
14- 2002

Florida State
7- 1997
17- 2004

Nebraska
12- 1997
19- 2009

Michigan
5- 1997
22- 2006

Penn State
8- 1999
23- 2005

Virginia Tech
18- 1999
21- 2005

LSU
3- 2004
58- 1999

Oklahoma
20- 2002
27- 2007

Tennessee
10- 1999
53- 2008

Iowa
26- 2003
37- 2008

Texas
29- 2009
30- 2000

Kansas State
24- 1998
40- 2001

UNC
41- 2009
48- 2001


*Schools with one unit on the list:
Auburn
16- 2003

Michigan State
31- 1999

Illinois
32- 2007

Texas A&M
34- 1998

Georgia
35- 1998

Miss State
36- 2000

Wake Forest
38- 2006

South Florida
39- 2007

UCLA
42- 2001

NC State
44- 2005

Notre Dame
45- 2003

Louisville
46- 2004

Purdue
47- 2003

Washington State
50- 2002

Wisconsin
51- 2000

TCU
49- 2007

Cal
52- 2006

Georgia Tech
54- 2006

Virginia
55- 2005

Arizona
56- 1998

Utah
57- 2008

Kansas
59- 2005

Oregon State
60- 2006

Oregon
61- 2007

bullg8rdaddy
08-03-2011, 02:27 AM
I'd argue that 2009 Gator Defense was better then 2006. Also would add 2008 into the discussion as well.

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2009 Florida:

gave up less total points (174) than '06 (189) and '08(181).
gave up less total yards per game (252.6) than '06 (255.4) and '08 (285.3)
gave up less 1st downs (208) than '06 (216) and '08 (234)
gave up only 16 TDs by opposing offenses in 14 games
had 20 INTs compared to '06 (21) and '08 (26)
had 6 (not including Janoris Jenkins) draft picks compared to '06 with 8 picks


LE Carlos Dunlap (2010 2d Rd)
DT Omar Hunter (current RS Junior)
DT Terron Sanders (2011 undrafted rookie signed with Baltimore)
RE Jermaine Cunningham (2010 2nd Rd)
LOLB A.J. Jones (2011 undrafted rookie signed with Denver)
MLB Brandon Spikes (2010 2nd Rd)
ROLB Ryan Stamper (2010 undrafted rookie signed with Detroit)
LCB Joe Haden (2010 1st Rd)
RCB Janoris Jenkins (current Senior @ North Alabama)
SS Ahmad Black (2011 4th Rd)
FS Major Wright (2010 3rd Rd)


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2008 Florida:

LE Justin Trattou
DT Lawrence Marsh
DT Terron Sanders
RE Jermaine Cunnigham
LOLB A.J. Jones
MLB Brandon Spikes
ROLB Ryan Stamper
LCB Joe Haden
RCB Janoris Jenkins
SS Ahmad Black
FS Major Wright

Ozzy
08-05-2011, 08:33 AM
bullg8rdaddy I'd argue that 2009 Gator Defense was better then 2006. Also would add 2008 into the discussion as well.


There is no way the 2009 Florida defense would be over the 2006 Florida defense. That defensive line was so far better than the one in 09, Harvey was a monster off the edge, those tackles were flat out sick and crazy deep, Marcus Thomas was an animal, and McDonald was good from his freshman year on. Much less Moss at the other edge rushing the passer.

Had much better linebackers as well, Siler was a great inside guy, Spikes was still on that team and Everett was big time on the outside. Yes they had better defensive backs possibly, Haden is better than those two corners, but Ryan Smith did had a star year and intercepted a lot of balls and made a lot of plays. And Black is a great safety, but Reggie Nelson on Florida was absolutely elite, he was all over the field and I would rank him over Black or Wright.

Thus the 06 defense in my book, the defensive line was not even close, 06 wins that, the linebackers 06 wins that again pretty easy. Defensive backs is close but slight edge to 09, but not by much. Thus that is why I put the 06 defense on there.


The statistics you speak off, ok sure but the difference in those stats are so small, and cannot easily compare statistics over in my opinion because a lot has to do with what kind of competition. All I know is in terms of players in college, I would take that front 7 in 06 over the front 7 in 09 any day of the week by far.

YAYareaRB
08-05-2011, 11:33 AM
I liked the national championships LSU D. A boat load of talent on that team altogether though

bullg8rdaddy
08-05-2011, 04:19 PM
There is no way the 2009 Florida defense would be over the 2006 Florida defense. That defensive line was so far better than the one in 09, Harvey was a monster off the edge, those tackles were flat out sick and crazy deep, Marcus Thomas was an animal, and McDonald was good from his freshman year on. Much less Moss at the other edge rushing the passer.

Had much better linebackers as well, Siler was a great inside guy, Spikes was still on that team and Everett was big time on the outside. Yes they had better defensive backs possibly, Haden is better than those two corners, but Ryan Smith did had a star year and intercepted a lot of balls and made a lot of plays. And Black is a great safety, but Reggie Nelson on Florida was absolutely elite, he was all over the field and I would rank him over Black or Wright.

Thus the 06 defense in my book, the defensive line was not even close, 06 wins that, the linebackers 06 wins that again pretty easy. Defensive backs is close but slight edge to 09, but not by much. Thus that is why I put the 06 defense on there.


The statistics you speak off, ok sure but the difference in those stats are so small, and cannot easily compare statistics over in my opinion because a lot has to do with what kind of competition. All I know is in terms of players in college, I would take that front 7 in 06 over the front 7 in 09 any day of the week by far.

Strongly disagree.

As a defensive unit, 2009 was better. Individual talent wise 2006 was better.

JHL6719
11-28-2011, 07:02 PM
Might as well put this year's Alabama defense at the very top of the list. This defense is just about on par with Bama's '92 defense that was the best defense college football had seen in the past 30+ years.

Let's look at this 2011 Bama defense:

They rank 1st in scoring defense (7.0 PPG) *6.8 PPG in regulation. Gave up 3 points to LSU in overtime due to LSU getting the ball at Bama's 25 yardline*

1st in rushing defense (74.92 YPG)
2nd in YPC average (2.5 YPC)
1st in rushing TD's allowed (3 total)


1st in passing defense (116.3 YPG)
1st in QB rating against (83.94)
T-1st in passing TD's allowed (6 total)
1st in yards/attempt (4.4 YP/A)
1st in completion percentage against (48.3%)


1st in total defense (191.3 YPG)
1st in yards/play (3.39 YPP)
1st in 1st downs allowed/game (10.5 / game)
1st in total 1st downs allowed (126 total)


1st in opponents 3rd down conversion rate (25%)
1st in Red Zone scoring (58.82%)
1st in Red Zone TD % (35.29)



The stats speak for themselves. However, if you watch this defense play, it's the physicality and sheer dominance that opposing teams cannot match. They break the will of the opposition, much like Alabama's '92 defense.

Ozzy
09-04-2012, 02:46 PM
What JHL6719 said, just changed the list based off last season and included the defensive units for Alabama and LSU in 2011.

There is some overlap from the 2009 Alabama defensive unit and the 2011 unit, but since the 2011 unit was so historic, I had to put them on there.

Did not put them #1 though, even though statistically they are better, I still feel the safety power of that 1997 Cane team gives them the edge, much less the fact they have a potential NFL Hall of Fame NT in Wilfork ontop of that.

Ozzy
07-30-2014, 06:57 AM
Add the 1997 West Virginia defense, put them at #43. Had a lot of unknown players but were very good. Stills was a monster off the edge, Lippe and Cogdell were very athletic and inside Slay and Thornton controlled things. Had a solid defense backfield as well with Terry, Fisher, Green and Bastien. Not a ton of successful pros but played well together.


1997
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DE Kevin Landolt
DT Henry Slay
DT John Thornton
DE Greg Robinette, Ryan Price
OLB Gary Stills
ILB Steve Lippe
OLB Damon Cogdell
CB Charles Fisher
CB Perlo Bastien, Gary Tompkins
SS Barrett Green
FS Nate Terry

MassNole
07-30-2014, 12:57 PM
2012 & 2013 FSU certainly staked their claim on this list. Each a Top 5 defense with two different Defensive coordinators with two entirely different schemes.

thenewfeature06
07-30-2014, 01:35 PM
that miami group is just ******* dirty

That TEAM was filth.

Pretty sure they Andre Johnson with Portis, Mcgahee AND Frank Gore.

Ozzy
07-30-2014, 10:06 PM
2012 & 2013 FSU certainly staked their claim on this list. Each a Top 5 defense with two different Defensive coordinators with two entirely different schemes.I agree, I was thinking about that today. I will adjust that list and will see where they rank. For sure it would be the last 2013 defensive unit, they were very solid and easily the best defense in the country last year I think top to bottom.

Ozzy
07-30-2014, 10:28 PM
I made the change and put last years Florida State defense, 2013 #23 overall. was a tough choice but based on the defensive line not being all that strong and the linebackers being just ok. But they were a great defense in the college game of today, fast, quick, tough but can cover and have a ton of talent in the defensive backfield. Not the massive linebackers of old, and like I said they would have been higher but lacked elite level talent on that DL outside of Edwards who really has his best days ahead of him and should be great this up coming season.

2013 Florida State:
DE M. Edwards
DT T. Jernigan, McDaniel
DT A. McCloud
DE Casher, Hicks
OLB Telvin Smith, Northrup
ILB Christian Jones
OLB N. Andrews, Terrance Smith
CB L. Joyner, R. Darby
CB PJ Williams, Waisome
SS J. Ramsey
FS T. Brooks