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Joe M Charlie
07-11-2010, 12:12 PM
I have selected a few players below and I wonder what current nfl players they compare to or remind you of. It is to just get a mindset on these guys on what kind of players they are like. Thanks in advance.

Greg Romeus
Patrick Peterson
Joseph Barksdale
Ryan Mallet
Mark Ingram
Robert Quinn
Adrian Clayborne
Marvin Austin
Gabe Camri
Aaron Williams

wraith
07-11-2010, 01:48 PM
greg romeus - gaines adams
robert quinn - simeon rice/ osi umeniora
patrick peterson - dre bly
marvin austin - Damione Lewis/tommy harris
mark ingram - tyrone wheatley/cedric benson
ryan mallet - drew bledsoe
adrian clayborne - kenechi udeze
Joseph Barksdale - kenyatta walker
Aaron Williams - carlos rodgers

zachsaints52
07-11-2010, 01:59 PM
ryan mallet - drew bledsoe


Mallet is alot more mobile the Drew, I would think Big Ben would be a good comparison, on the field atleast. Very strong arm, can throw on the run and make plays and lead a comeback.

_YL_
07-11-2010, 02:07 PM
Joseph Barksdale - chris canty


Huh.....??

wraith
07-11-2010, 02:19 PM
thought he was still on d you guys could add your own...

RealityCheck
07-11-2010, 03:01 PM
Greg Romeus - Tully Banta-Cain
Patrick Peterson - Asante Samuel
Joseph Barksdale - Vernon Carey
Ryan Mallett - Joe Flacco
Mark Ingram - Adrian L. Peterson
Robert Quinn - Julius Peppers
Adrian Clayborn - Damione Lewis
Marvin Austin - Darnell Dockett
Gabe Carimi - Sebastian Vollmer
Aaron Williams - Ronde Barber


mark ingram - tyrone wheatley

How does a Heisman-winning RB compare to a CB who can't be a #5 in his team's depth chart?

princefielder28
07-11-2010, 03:17 PM
How does a Heisman-winning RB compare to a CB who can't be a #5 in his team's depth chart?

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slideshows/793/slideshow_79369/display_image.jpg

that's Tyrone Wheatley

RealityCheck
07-11-2010, 03:19 PM
Damn, I was thinking Terrence Wheatley. My bad.

wonderbredd24
07-11-2010, 04:23 PM
Greg Romeus - Tully Banta-Cain
Romeus - 6'6" 270lbs / Banta-Cain - 6'2" 250lbs
Banta-Cain is rush backer only while Romeus appears to be a 4-3 end only... I don't see a thing in common between these two.
Mark Ingram - Adrian L. Peterson
Everything about Mark Ingram just screams Emmitt Smith to me
Marvin Austin - Darnell Dockett
Sizewise, yea, but Marvin Austin's tendencies remind me of Gerard Warren. The second he gets paid, he's going to revert to the unmotivated lazy sack of **** he has been at UNC
A few thoughts

Aloysius
07-11-2010, 05:32 PM
To me, Greg Romeus is a taller, more productive Robert Ayers. Both lack an elite first step but have strong hands and the potential to be effective stack & shed LDEs.

Ayers does play 3-4 OLB for the Broncos, but I thought he was a less than ideal fit for the position, much like Romeus would be.

wonderbredd24
07-11-2010, 05:58 PM
To me, Greg Romeus is a taller, more productive Robert Ayers. Both lack an elite first step but have strong hands and the potential to be effective stack & shed LDEs.

Ayers does play 3-4 OLB for the Broncos, but I thought he was a less than ideal fit for the position, much like Romeus would be.

I still find that pick confusing

superman8456
07-11-2010, 06:03 PM
Greg Romeus = Michael Strahan

Aloysius
07-11-2010, 06:10 PM
I still find that pick confusing
Well, it's the best I could think of.

Ayers may be 2" shorter than Romeus, but both are guys who aren't necessarily going to beat good tackles with speed off the edge. At Tennessee, Ayers did his best work as an interior rusher; Romeus does it by engaging, then beating offensive tackles.

For example, Romeus was able to get past Anthony Davis when he jolted him on initial contact, then beat him to his inside shoulder. But when he tried to run around Davis or beat him with a spin move, Romeus was largely unsuccessful, sometimes getting put on the turf.

descendency
07-11-2010, 06:29 PM
Mark Ingram = Shawn Alexander.

edit: Post 1000.

wonderbredd24
07-11-2010, 09:06 PM
Well, it's the best I could think of.

Ayers may be 2" shorter than Romeus, but both are guys who aren't necessarily going to beat good tackles with speed off the edge. At Tennessee, Ayers did his best work as an interior rusher; Romeus does it by engaging, then beating offensive tackles.

For example, Romeus was able to get past Anthony Davis when he jolted him on initial contact, then beat him to his inside shoulder. But when he tried to run around Davis or beat him with a spin move, Romeus was largely unsuccessful, sometimes getting put on the turf.
Not your comparison... the Broncos picking him. I found it baffling.

Aloysius
07-12-2010, 01:18 AM
Oh...my bad (and I'm similarly baffled).

VUBlacknGold
07-12-2010, 02:03 PM
Just basic thoughts


Greg Romeus - Justin Tuck
Patrick Peterson - Nnamdi Asomugha
Joseph Barksdale - Duane Brown
Ryan Mallet - Jamarcus Russell
Mark Ingram - Frank Gore
Robert Quinn - Ray Edwards
Adrian Clayborne - Will Smith
Marvin Austin - Marcus Harrison
Gabe Camri - Marc Colombo
Aaron Williams - Chris Gamble

bce
07-12-2010, 07:57 PM
ive moved ahead of joe m charlie in the positive rankings.

Mr. Goosemahn
07-13-2010, 11:15 AM
Am I the only one that sees Mark Ingram as being very similar to Ray Rice?

Greg Romeus - Manny Lawson
Patrick Peterson - Nnamdi Asomugha
Joseph Barksdale - Marvel Smith
Ryan Mallet - Joe Flacco
Mark Ingram - Ray Rice
Robert Quinn - Justin Tuck
Adrian Clayborne - Darnell Dockett
Marvin Austin - ?? :S ... Broderick Bunkley?
Gabe Carimi - David Stewart
Aaron Williams - um....not really sure on this one...a slightly slower Ike Taylor with great hands?

Joe M Charlie
07-13-2010, 12:01 PM
I am sorry for putting down Robert Quinn. I seen tape of him and he reminds me of a Julius Peppers clone and if we get a Julius Peppers clone next to a Warrep Sapp clone then holy ****!!!

Mr. Goosemahn
07-13-2010, 12:13 PM
I am sorry for putting down Robert Quinn. I seen tape of him and he reminds me of a Julius Peppers clone and if we get a Julius Peppers clone next to a Warrep Sapp clone then holy ****!!!

Who's the Warren Sapp clone? Gerald McCoy?

Fico
07-13-2010, 12:16 PM
Aaron Williams - Charles Woodson

Plus size. Excellent hips, above average speed. Good tackling CB, with the ability to play the ball. Will not be a 100% shut down guy like Revis or Nnamdi, but will make a ton of plays, like Woodson, be it ints, TFLs, FFs..ect. He also has the size and versatility to play FS in a pinch like Woodson.

My 2 cents.

Joe M Charlie
07-13-2010, 12:46 PM
Who's the Warren Sapp clone? Gerald McCoy?

That is correct.

YAYareaRB
07-13-2010, 02:35 PM
Mark Ingram runs a lot like Emmit Smith

will99890
07-13-2010, 03:27 PM
Greg Romeus - Phillip Merling
Patrick Peterson - Charles Woodson, total package at CB
Joseph Barksdale - Jason Smith
Ryan Mallet - Drew Bledsoe
Mark Ingram - Ray Rice, or possibly a bowling ball
Robert Quinn - Gaines Adams
Adrian Clayborne - Reggie White, yes I like the guy that much
Marvin Austin - Honestly, I can't think of anyone lazy enough to compare him to
Gabe Carimii - Bryant McKinnie
Aaron Williams - Rashean Mathis, same build mostly

descendency
07-13-2010, 05:32 PM
Adrian Clayborne - Reggie White, yes I like the guy that much

No. Just No.

Reggie White was 6'5", 300 lbs and could run a 4.5 40. He had the power of a DT and the speed of a DE. He could have been a Hall of Famer at either position. He is one of the all time greatest DEs to ever play. Clayborn is barely one of the best in his draft class.

FUNBUNCHER
07-13-2010, 08:17 PM
No. Just No.

Reggie White was 6'5", 300 lbs and could run a 4.5 40. He had the power of a DT and the speed of a DE. He could have been a Hall of Famer at either position. He is one of the all time greatest DEs to ever play. Clayborn is barely one of the best in his draft class.

Reggie White left the Memphis Showboats from the USFL and signed with the Eagles as a 6'5, 267# DE who ran a 4.6, although the Showboats listed him at 6'6, 284#.

He grew into a 300# DE/DT hybrid, but he didn't start off at that weight.

EDIT: Mark Ingram comparison to Frank Gore is spot on, IMO. Except he has no major injury history.

I don't know if Clayborne has the physical ability to literally manhandle and rag doll NFL offensive lineman and smother double teams at will; no modern Dlineman consistently played with the functional power of Reggie White.

Albert Haynesworth is close, but the intensity level/motor aren't the same.

will99890
07-13-2010, 10:02 PM
I know the size and dominance aren't there, but I just love Clayborn's mean streak and aggressiveness. That's what remind me of Reggie, not his overall play. I couldn't think of anyone else who exemplified that better. I will put money on Clayborn being successful regardless of scheme or even position. Dude plays hard and SHUTS DOWN the run to his side.

Plus, I don't think Reggie White could quite touch a 4.5 40. Dude was a freak, but more because of strength and explosiveness than straight speed.

ToldLikeItIs
07-13-2010, 10:17 PM
Reggie White is ridiculous for Clayborn. I'll compare him to Trent Cole.

will99890
07-13-2010, 10:35 PM
I thought about that, but Cole seemed too small and quick, even though he does play very physical. I had a tough time thinking of someone for that comparison. Not many big DEs (280+) play with enough explosiveness and aggressiveness without being too quick, who knows maybe I'm just over analyzing it.

Mr. Goosemahn
07-14-2010, 12:09 AM
I thought about that, but Cole seemed too small and quick, even though he does play very physical. I had a tough time thinking of someone for that comparison. Not many big DEs (280+) play with enough explosiveness and aggressiveness without being too quick, who knows maybe I'm just over analyzing it.

Darnell Dockett is who I compare Clayborn to. And I think it fits. Nearly identical size, both can play with power and strength.

What do you guys think?

TACKLE
07-14-2010, 12:22 AM
Although I believe he'll end up being a better player in the pros, Clayborn reminds me a lot of Charles Grant.

A Perfect Score
07-14-2010, 12:53 AM
Mark Ingram has always reminded me alot of Willis McGahee, just in the way that he moves around the field and the combination of speed/power. Probably not as good as McGahee pre-knee injury (although I remember that McGahee to be one of the best RB's Ive seen regardless of college or NFL), but thats who he reminds me of.

As far as some of the others go, Clayborn always struck me as an Aaron Kampman type player, one who would rather bull rush then speed rush. I love his skillset, even though I feel its one which is underrated in today's NFL where everyone is looking for tweeners and pass rush specialists.

Ryan Mallet is an interesting one, because QB's his size generally don't have his mobility. Big Ben is probably the best comparison, although Mallet's arm is much stronger and he doesn't have Ben's elusiveness in the pocket. I suppose Flacco works as well.

RealityCheck
07-14-2010, 09:16 AM
Ty Warren for Clayborn.

Anyone buying it?

AntoinCD
07-14-2010, 09:24 AM
Ty Warren for Clayborn.

Anyone buying it?

I think he's a little too light at the moment. I think the best comparison, measureable and play style wise may be Tyson Jackson. I do like Clayborn more though

TACKLE
07-14-2010, 01:24 PM
Ty Warren for Clayborn.

Anyone buying it?

No. Not buying it at all.

Warren was a 6'5 300lb DT. Clayborn is a 6'2 285 DE.

superman8456
07-14-2010, 01:29 PM
I think Clayborn is pretty similar to a rich man's Anthony Hargrove.

ToldLikeItIs
07-14-2010, 02:30 PM
6'3 292 actually..

Joe M Charlie
07-15-2010, 12:36 PM
Greg Romeus - Phillip Merling
Patrick Peterson - Charles Woodson, total package at CB
Joseph Barksdale - Jason Smith
Ryan Mallet - Drew Bledsoe
Mark Ingram - Ray Rice, or possibly a bowling ball
Robert Quinn - Gaines Adams
Adrian Clayborne - Reggie White, yes I like the guy that much
Marvin Austin - Honestly, I can't think of anyone lazy enough to compare him to
Gabe Carimii - Bryant McKinnie
Aaron Williams - Rashean Mathis, same build mostly

If Quinn is like Adams then I do not want him, no offense.

Texas Homer
07-15-2010, 01:51 PM
Aaron Williams - Charles Woodson

Plus size. Excellent hips, above average speed. Good tackling CB, with the ability to play the ball. Will not be a 100% shut down guy like Revis or Nnamdi, but will make a ton of plays, like Woodson, be it ints, TFLs, FFs..ect. He also has the size and versatility to play FS in a pinch like Woodson.

My 2 cents.

I like the comparison.

thenewfeature06
07-15-2010, 01:55 PM
Wasn't Charles Woodson a lock down in his prime?

haha cmon man! *Cris Carter*

descendency
07-15-2010, 03:29 PM
Reggie White left the Memphis Showboats from the USFL and signed with the Eagles as a 6'5, 267# DE who ran a 4.6, although the Showboats listed him at 6'6, 284#.

He grew into a 300# DE/DT hybrid, but he didn't start off at that weight.

EDIT: Mark Ingram comparison to Frank Gore is spot on, IMO. Except he has no major injury history.

I don't know if Clayborne has the physical ability to literally manhandle and rag doll NFL offensive lineman and smother double teams at will; no modern Dlineman consistently played with the functional power of Reggie White.

Albert Haynesworth is close, but the intensity level/motor aren't the same.

Yea, but the point is that you don't go out and compare a guy to an elite hall of famer, especially one who isn't really regarded as a top 5 player in any draft class.

That would have been like saying (in 2000) Tom Brady was a Joe Montana type prospect. It's not fair to either the former player or the current player. It sets unreal expectations and quite frankly diminishes the accomplishments of the player.

Like last year, lots of people compared Gerald McCoy to Warren Sapp. I just don't like comparing current prospects to guys who would be in the small room in the hall of fame.

Fico
07-15-2010, 04:54 PM
Wasn't Charles Woodson a lock down in his prime?

haha cmon man! *Cris Carter*

He was obviously a first round pick, and a very good player for a couple years in Oakland, but I wouldn't go as far to say he was a shut down corner. People still threw at him and he made plays on the ball.

He was very good, and in the top 5 corners in the league, but I wouldn't call his style of play shut down.

Depends on how you define shut down.

phlysac
07-15-2010, 04:59 PM
Greg Romeus - Phillip Merling


Greg Romeus will be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. Philip Merling is a 3-4 DE.


Adrian Clayborn seems to be a hot topic in this thread. The player he reminds me most of is Justin Smith.

TACKLE
07-15-2010, 06:23 PM
Greg Romeus = Ray Edwards. Though Romeus will be a better prospect.

A Perfect Score
07-15-2010, 06:25 PM
My post was not commented on. Sad Panda. And TACKLE, the sig/avy are ridiculous. One of the best Ive ever seen.

Sniper
07-15-2010, 06:40 PM
Aaron Williams - Charles Woodson


No one compares to Jesus.

marshallb
07-15-2010, 06:45 PM
I am sorry for putting down Robert Quinn. I seen tape of him and he reminds me of a Julius Peppers clone and if we get a Julius Peppers clone next to a Warrep Sapp clone then holy ****!!!

Wait...What????? You were knocking Quinn like crazy a month ago, and now this?

Here's just a couple of the several posts:
Robert Quinn sucks and would not do nothing for our defense. We will be picking 1st in 2012 if we take him. He has comparisons to Demarcus Ware, yeah if he sucked. The last time we drafted a DE in the first round it did not work out to well. Give us Mark Ingram he would win more games for us. If he is too high up then we would trade down to get him.

I just want to say Robert Quinn sucks. I watched him on film and he is horrific. The guy sucks.

So you watched film of him and he is horrific, and now a month later he's a Julius Peppers clone?!?!?! Wow...I have no idea what to say to this.

Sniper
07-15-2010, 06:47 PM
He did the same thing with Ndamukong Suh before last season started.

marshallb
07-15-2010, 06:50 PM
He did the same thing with Ndamukong Suh before last season started.

Ummmmm...Maybe he had a different username before(which is entirely possible), but Joe M Charlie has only been a member since April 29 2010.

Mr. Goosemahn
07-15-2010, 07:04 PM
I seen tape of him and he reminds me of a Julius Peppers clone

He doesn't think of Robert Quinn as a poor man's Julius Peppers, he thinks of him as a poor man's poor man's Julius Peppers.

It's aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall in the detais.

Sniper
07-15-2010, 07:23 PM
Ummmmm...Maybe he had a different username before(which is entirely possible), but Joe M Charlie has only been a member since April 29 2010.

See Island, Bucimal.

FUNBUNCHER
07-15-2010, 09:17 PM
Yea, but the point is that you don't go out and compare a guy to an elite hall of famer, especially one who isn't really regarded as a top 5 player in any draft class.

That would have been like saying (in 2000) Tom Brady was a Joe Montana type prospect. It's not fair to either the former player or the current player. It sets unreal expectations and quite frankly diminishes the accomplishments of the player.

Like last year, lots of people compared Gerald McCoy to Warren Sapp. I just don't like comparing current prospects to guys who would be in the small room in the hall of fame.

Agreed, it's a non sequitor when someone compares a prospect in general to arguably one one of the most accomplished players at his position in the history of the NFL.

However, if someone had compared obliquely Ndamakung Suh to Reggie White last year, I could see that comparison on some levels; high motor, athletic, powerful DT who can't be blocked one on one or with double teams, who dominates a game from whistle to whistle with an extremely physical style of play.

Same for comparing gerald McCoy to Warren Sapp, in that if you break them down, there really is very little similarity because Sapp was so much more impressive as a prospect.

Now if you wanted to compare Tommie Harris to Warren Sapp, at least in terms of physical measurables, these two players match up; Harris had elite speed for a DT, as did Sapp, ( both sub 4.8 guys), both were 6'2 with outstanding strength and power with an excellent ability to penetrate off the snap.

To me comparisons work when they're based on physical appearance, athletic ability or a particular playing style, and general production.
And they only work for certain positions, IMO. You can't really compare a pro prospect to a guy like Jerry Rice because when I think RIce, I imagine a dominant, elite WR who put up incredible numbers year after year, not really thinkng about his measurables or some unique skillset.

The only comparison I would use for Jerry RIce is that a prospect appears to not have elite timed speed, but he's one of the fastest player on game day.

So far no one has made much of a case for Clayborn and Reggie White favoring each other as players.

Gchu83
07-18-2010, 12:56 AM
Aaron Williams - Charles Woodson

Plus size. Excellent hips, above average speed. Good tackling CB, with the ability to play the ball. Will not be a 100% shut down guy like Revis or Nnamdi, but will make a ton of plays, like Woodson, be it ints, TFLs, FFs..ect. He also has the size and versatility to play FS in a pinch like Woodson.

My 2 cents.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z09R3uZinGs&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5oUaOLG-yE&feature=player_embedded

Joe M Charlie
07-18-2010, 09:42 AM
Hey, I just want players that will make my team better and before I thought Quinn would not help us out.

bce
07-20-2010, 06:06 PM
joe m charlie please start agreeing with the herd so i can reclaim my rightful place of having the best positive ranking. Thanks.