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Mr. Goosemahn
07-25-2010, 05:44 PM
To see previously discussed prospects, click here.
Jake Locker - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2230943
Cameron Heyward - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41890
Marvin Austin - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41892
Adrian Clayborn - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41919
Anthony Castonzo - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41929
Greg Romeus - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41940
Von Miller - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2238637
Mike Pouncey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41959
Allen Bailey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41971


http://www.seminoles.com/blog/30367_Mark_Herzlich.jpg

OLB Mark Herzlich, Boston College
6'4 - 238 lbs. - Senior

Highlights!

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Big guy with a great attitude. Won't be the best athlete out there, but is a smart player that ultimately makes plays. His battle with cancer apparently has given him the type of mentality and work ethic that many coaches crave in their players.

redbills
07-25-2010, 05:47 PM
Love to see him in Bills jersey

BeerBaron
07-25-2010, 05:54 PM
If he proves that he's recovered and still plays at a high level, I think he'll end up somewhere with a Parcells/Bellichick disciple as a head coach. He just seems like the type of player who would fit extremely well in a situation like that.

wicket
07-25-2010, 05:55 PM
If he proves that he's recovered and still plays at a high level, I think he'll end up somewhere with a Parcells/Bellichick disciple as a head coach. He just seems like the type of player who would fit extremely well in a situation like that.

thats like half the league nowadays

but yeah id love him in a saints uni

Paranoidmoonduck
07-25-2010, 06:10 PM
I think that he's, at best, a fringe 1st rounder value-wise, but I love his game.

I just have to see him play at that level again this season.

wonderbredd24
07-25-2010, 06:23 PM
I absolutely love the idea of Herzlich being moved inside within a 3-4 defense. I'd be thrilled to have him on the Browns defense.

Phenominal instincts for the game that make up for his less than stellar speed, but he brings a ton of size

Don Vito
07-25-2010, 06:26 PM
One of my favorites ever, Herzy was an absolute animal before he got sick. Herzy would have been lethal in a 3-4; great size, amazing in coverage, super pass rusher, good athlete, and just an all around great linebacker. I'm really curious to see how he looks this year but he has a great story and I will be rooting for him no matter what.

Hines
07-25-2010, 06:48 PM
I'd love to see him in Black and Gold to carry on the linebacker tradition. He's such a player.

BeerBaron
07-25-2010, 07:33 PM
thats like half the league nowadays

but yeah id love him in a saints uni

Alright....Parcells/Bellichick defensive coaching disciples. I suppose he'd look good in any 3-4 really though...

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
07-25-2010, 09:24 PM
<3 Hopefully he'll be taking over for Urlacher some day.

princefielder28
07-25-2010, 10:15 PM
the type of player that any team would love to have...i think he'll get drafted earlier than his play/ability suggests but he'll have a Tim Tebow type influence on an organization

OaklandRaider56
07-26-2010, 12:01 AM
the type of player that any team would love to have...i think he'll get drafted earlier than his play/ability suggests but he'll have a Tim Tebow type influence on an organization

I completely agree.

Having him can only better a team.

Babylon
07-26-2010, 04:24 PM
Before the sickness he was the best in pass coverage for a LB that i'd ever seen. You have to put a big fat asterisk next to his name till we find out if he's all the way back. You cant afford to lose a step at that level.

descendency
07-26-2010, 04:30 PM
Before the sickness he was the best in pass coverage for a LB that i'd ever seen. You have to put a big fat asterisk next to his name till we find out if he's all the way back. You cant afford to lose a step at that level.

According to National Scouting he received the same grade after cancer as before.

Then again, National Scouting isn't worth s***.

thenewfeature06
07-26-2010, 04:33 PM
Would be so down to get his guy in the 2nd lol not sure if he could play 4-3 OLB with his speed but I haven't watched a whole lot.

I am probably dreaming he will fall to the 2nd.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-26-2010, 04:34 PM
According to National Scouting he received the same grade after cancer as before.

Then again, National Scouting isn't worth s***.

He hasn't played since he recovered. How would they know jack **** in terms of rating him?

descendency
07-26-2010, 05:26 PM
He hasn't played since he recovered. How would they know jack **** in terms of rating him?

Obviously, I'm wondering the same thing.

bigbluedefense
07-27-2010, 09:39 AM
Is his cancer in remission?

I thought that form of cancer was almost impossible to recover from. I hope its true, I love the guy, and if he's healthy, would love to have him on the Giants.

Babylon
07-27-2010, 11:08 AM
Is his cancer in remission?

I thought that form of cancer was almost impossible to recover from. I hope its true, I love the guy, and if he's healthy, would love to have him on the Giants.

Supposedly completely gone but you wonder if the leg area involved can get to the point where it was and can survive the stress it is going to be under.

bigbluedefense
07-27-2010, 11:19 AM
Supposedly completely gone but you wonder if the leg area involved can get to the point where it was and can survive the stress it is going to be under.

That's tough. I rather him just give up football and live a normal life. It's not worth it.

I don't want to see him getting hurt.

Babylon
07-27-2010, 12:46 PM
That's tough. I rather him just give up football and live a normal life. It's not worth it.

I don't want to see him getting hurt.

Worst thing happens is it doesnt hold up and you move on. Well worth the risk to live the dream.

Texas Homer
07-27-2010, 01:21 PM
I have no idea on his draft stock, but I'm rooting for him.

BamaFalcon59
07-27-2010, 02:24 PM
Would be so down to get his guy in the 2nd lol not sure if he could play 4-3 OLB with his speed but I haven't watched a whole lot.

I am probably dreaming he will fall to the 2nd.

I'm not sure where the speed concerns are coming from, he was a hell of a natural athlete before the cancer.

Impossible to evaluate before he plays this season, but he was a monster when he faced VT in 2008.

regoob2
07-27-2010, 06:48 PM
He reminds me a lot of Aaron Curry. Solid all around player who will be good but not great. They're both a bit stiff hipped.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-27-2010, 06:51 PM
What's with people being down on Aaron Curry? I know he had a slow rookie year, but the guy was arguably the best linebacker prospect of the past decade. There's no way Herzlich is on that level.

bce
07-27-2010, 08:08 PM
What's with people being down on Aaron Curry? I know he had a slow rookie year, but the guy was arguably the best linebacker prospect of the past decade. There's no way Herzlich is on that level.

Luckily aaron curry was in a garbage draft or he would have been one of the worst picks ever.

I like herzlich better because he was a pass rusher in the 3-4. I dont see aaron curry, not the same body build or abilities shown on tape. Whether herzlich was ever an elite pass rusher and whether hes able to return to his previous form any way remains to be seen.

Just shows how much you know aaron curry "best linebacker prospect of the decade". You could have gotten james laurinitis or maaluga in rd 2 and you got a better player than curry. And neither of them are great.

There are a lot of good reasons to draft mark herzlich.

Don Vito
07-27-2010, 08:14 PM
Herzlich and Curry are different players, plus it's really hard to fully evaluate and project Herzy because he got sick. I personally love Herzy in a 3-4 since he can do it all and he could be moved around a lot but he could also project to the 4-3, whereas Curry was definitely best suited for a 4-3 SAM with the ability to maybe play other spots.

I guess you can Herzy isn't on Curry's level now, but anyone who saw him play his junior year knows that Herzy was a flat out special player in every facet of the game. He was all over the field and consistently changed games while also being incredibly consistent. Herzy could have been a very rare type of linebacker prospect, especially if you were a 3-4 team. I don't think we will see that Herzy again, but if by some miracle we do that would be pretty special.

prock
07-27-2010, 08:39 PM
Luckily aaron curry was in a garbage draft or he would have been one of the worst picks ever.

I like herzlich better because he was a pass rusher in the 3-4. I dont see aaron curry, not the same body build or abilities shown on tape. Whether herzlich was ever an elite pass rusher and whether hes able to return to his previous form any way remains to be seen.

Just shows how much you know aaron curry "best linebacker prospect of the decade". You could have gotten james laurinitis or maaluga in rd 2 and you got a better player than curry. And neither of them are great.

There are a lot of good reasons to draft mark herzlich.

Laurinitis isn't even very good, he is the ultimate pile jumper, I thought everyone knew this already...

What are your great reasons to draft Herzlich?

bce
07-27-2010, 08:47 PM
Its a good business decision for the right price.

wonderbredd24
07-27-2010, 10:57 PM
What's with people being down on Aaron Curry? I know he had a slow rookie year, but the guy was arguably the best linebacker prospect of the past decade. There's no way Herzlich is on that level.

Insanity... Aaron Curry was pretty much perfect in terms of what you wanted in a prospect. I think he was a better fit in the 3-4 at ILB, but I still expect him to be a great LB for the Seahawks.

I don't see the comparison between Curry and Herzlich... Curry is 6'2" and around 250lbs? while Herzlich is 6'4" 235-240lbs. Curry is a phenominal athlete and Herzlich is not on that level and almost no one else is either.

I really don't see Herzlich playing 3-4 OLB in the pros... I see him as either a SLB in the 4-3 or ILB in the 3-4. Is there anyone who has played OLB in the 4-3 in college who then made the transition to OLB in the 3-4?

Brent
07-27-2010, 11:10 PM
What's with people being down on Aaron Curry? I know he had a slow rookie year, but the guy was arguably the best linebacker prospect of the past decade. There's no way Herzlich is on that level.
Because Curry looked ******* terrible this past season. Just terrible.

bce
07-28-2010, 07:15 PM
Insanity... Aaron Curry was pretty much perfect in terms of what you wanted in a prospect. I think he was a better fit in the 3-4 at ILB, but I still expect him to be a great LB for the Seahawks.

I don't see the comparison between Curry and Herzlich... Curry is 6'2" and around 250lbs? while Herzlich is 6'4" 235-240lbs. Curry is a phenominal athlete and Herzlich is not on that level and almost no one else is either.

I really don't see Herzlich playing 3-4 OLB in the pros... I see him as either a SLB in the 4-3 or ILB in the 3-4. Is there anyone who has played OLB in the 4-3 in college who then made the transition to OLB in the 3-4?

Thats all good and everything, but curry was one of the worst picks ever. Non pass rushing lbs with the 4th pick in the draft its just never going to be worth it. Guys making like 10 mil a year. I dont care if hes the next reincarnation of ray lewis he still isnt worth 10 mil per year. Line backers generally show pretty quick. He showed bad pretty quick and all that money. Hes the poster child for why you dont pick the greatest prospect at a low position value high in the draft over the 3rd best prospect at a position of higher value.

I would use a 3rd round on herzlich. That would be my maximum price and about the maximum return youre going to get.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-29-2010, 03:35 AM
Because Curry looked ******* terrible this past season. Just terrible.

Meh. He got caught out of position a lot, but he had the rare moment. I reserve all conclusions until I see his sophomore effort. He was too good in college to not improve, I just think that he had trouble not being able to freelance like he was allowed (even encouraged) to do at Wake Forest

Brent
07-29-2010, 12:46 PM
Meh. He got caught out of position a lot, but he had the rare moment. I reserve all conclusions until I see his sophomore effort. He was too good in college to not improve, I just think that he had trouble not being able to freelance like he was allowed (even encouraged) to do at Wake Forest
that whole LB core in Seattle is vastly overrated

Babylon
07-29-2010, 12:53 PM
that whole LB core in Seattle is vastly overrated

Not sure who is rating them all that highly in the first place. Should get a little more stability with Lofa back and Curry i think will have a nice year.

bored of education
07-31-2010, 03:03 PM
This guy is the story of the season.

bce
07-31-2010, 03:15 PM
He's just not anywhere near the best football player.

But i hope it works out for him and if i had a good team and a 3rd rd pick i'd pick herzlich. Its a good business decision.

Brent
07-31-2010, 05:31 PM
Not sure who is rating them all that highly in the first place. Should get a little more stability with Lofa back and Curry i think will have a nice year.
No one is rating them highly, but I think Lofa's performance from a few years back has excused him of a lot of criticism outside of Seattle.