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General Zod
07-25-2010, 09:24 PM
I know this whole not carrying Roy Williams shoulder pads story should probably be in team discussion forum. But I just gotta say I love the little gesture by the rook.

It just screams to Roy Williams "Im here for your job, *****!"

:-)



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/07/25/bryant.williams.ap/index.html

Splat
07-25-2010, 09:27 PM
Maybe not team forum but it could have went in the Dez thread we all ready have going.:)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41956

As for the story I think he should just man up and carry the pads it's just part of being a rookie.

General Zod
07-25-2010, 09:28 PM
Maybe not team forum but it could have went in the Dez thread we all ready have going.:)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41956

As for the story I think he should just man up and carry the pads it's just part of being a rookie.

Well a mod can feel free to move it or delete it.

yo123
07-25-2010, 09:28 PM
That bum should be carrying Dez's pads.

Splat
07-25-2010, 09:29 PM
Well a mod can feel free to move it or delete it.

Just giving you a hard time no big deal.

CashmoneyDrew
07-25-2010, 09:31 PM
That bum should be carrying Dez's pads.

Haha, for real. Dez hasn't even played a down yet, and I'm sure he's already done more for the cowboys than R.E.W.

BlindSite
07-25-2010, 09:49 PM
I kind of hate when rookies do this, just carry the pads, who cares, you're a rookie it happens.

descendency
07-25-2010, 09:50 PM
That bum should be carrying Dez's pads.

This. Roy Williams sucks.

LonghornsLegend
07-25-2010, 10:01 PM
This was the first time I heard this story. Oh well, shows how much respect Roy has. If TO was still here and done the same gesture, I bet he would have done it. Roy should just be happy he's close to making 10 million dollars a season for the crap he's done the past 2 seasons.

Michigan
07-25-2010, 10:26 PM
eh Dez shouldve just sucked it up and carried the pads IMO

this definitely wasn't newsworthy though

vikes_28
07-25-2010, 11:28 PM
Williams should quit bitching. He's had his chance to prove himself.

sbh15
07-25-2010, 11:29 PM
i would have told roy to **** off.

then i would have proceeded to walk over to miles austin and ask if he'd like me to carry his pads

TitanHope
07-25-2010, 11:41 PM
You could pretty much spin this anyway you want to from Dez meaning it personal to REW to Dez putting himself above the other rookies in status to Dez being focused on his business and not silly, little rookie "rights of passage." *shrug*

gpngc
07-25-2010, 11:54 PM
People are going to look back on the past three years and remember them as the the drafts GMs overreacted to perceived character red flags and let perceived "diva" WRs drop waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. The Michael Vick Saga as well as the Pacman Jones story and all the hoopla that surrounded Big Ben, etc., etc., etc., we all know the list goes on... it made many teams way too cautious on draft day. And the Eagles, Niners, and Cowboys were the beneficiaries.

DeSean Jackson
Michael Crabtree
Dez Bryant

It's a joke he fell all the way to Dallas. A joke.

General Zod
07-26-2010, 12:00 AM
People are going to look back on the past three years and remember them as the the drafts GMs overreacted to perceived character red flags and let perceived "diva" WRs drop waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. The Michael Vick Saga as well as the Pacman Jones story and all the hoopla that surrounded Big Ben, etc., etc., etc., we all know the list goes on... it made many teams way too cautious on draft day. And the Eagles, Niners, and Cowboys were the beneficiaries.

DeSean Jackson
Michael Crabtree
Dez Bryant

It's a joke he fell all the way to Dallas. A joke.

You can also throw Percy Harvin's name in that group.

gpngc
07-26-2010, 12:08 AM
You can also throw Percy Harvin's name in that group.

Excellent point. You surely can.

prock
07-26-2010, 12:13 AM
i would have told roy to **** off.

then i would have proceeded to walk over to miles austin and ask if he'd like me to carry his pads

I couldn't have said it better myself.

prock
07-26-2010, 12:14 AM
People are going to look back on the past three years and remember them as the the drafts GMs overreacted to perceived character red flags and let perceived "diva" WRs drop waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. The Michael Vick Saga as well as the Pacman Jones story and all the hoopla that surrounded Big Ben, etc., etc., etc., we all know the list goes on... it made many teams way too cautious on draft day. And the Eagles, Niners, and Cowboys were the beneficiaries.

DeSean Jackson
Michael Crabtree
Dez Bryant

It's a joke he fell all the way to Dallas. A joke.

Not often a top 5 player falls to 24. Demarius Thomas had no business going ahead of Dez. ****** McDaniels...

gpngc
07-26-2010, 12:16 AM
Not often a top 5 player falls to 24. Demarius Thomas had no business going ahead of Dez. ****** McDaniels...

And yet it happened with D-Jax, Percy AND Dez in consecutive years... That's just bad risk-reward management...

LonghornsLegend
07-26-2010, 01:19 AM
People are going to look back on the past three years and remember them as the the drafts GMs overreacted to perceived character red flags and let perceived "diva" WRs drop waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. The Michael Vick Saga as well as the Pacman Jones story and all the hoopla that surrounded Big Ben, etc., etc., etc., we all know the list goes on... it made many teams way too cautious on draft day. And the Eagles, Niners, and Cowboys were the beneficiaries.

DeSean Jackson
Michael Crabtree
Dez Bryant

It's a joke he fell all the way to Dallas. A joke.



I agree with your point, and would also add Harvin in, but Desean was just so little it'd be tough to argue with him going that high even though the talent is there. Crabs and Dez had prototypical WR size for #1 guys, and Harvin was ripped up when he showed up at the combines.


People probably weren't sure Desean could be a #1 WR just yet, but it would be a big risk considering he was so little, and technically still is.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-26-2010, 02:00 AM
And yet it happened with D-Jax, Percy AND Dez in consecutive years... That's just bad risk-reward management...

It's arguable that Jackson and Harvin were clearly top 5 talents in their drafts. In my mind, it was pretty ******* clear that Bryant was. He's going to be a stud in Dallas.

That said, you carry his pads because that's your onus as a rookie. Then you take his job.

soybean
07-26-2010, 02:00 AM
He should have just carried the pads, all rookies go through this kind of hazing. This is actually one of the less harsh ones.

I know a lot of you are saying "good for him" and "f*** roy williams" when in actuality it has nothing to do with roy williams. you can generalize roy to the whole incumbent team. Even though Roy Williams hasnt been on the cowboys that much longer than Dez he's still a veteran.

Dez refusing to go through the little trials and tribulations faced by all rookies is going to cause a bad precedent for the locker room. Trust me people dont take these things lightly and he'll most likely have to work that much harder to gain the support of the existing veterans on that team.

^^ i dont know if any of that made any sense.

btw. in the nba all rookies go through some type of rookie hazing even though many times (and i mean MANY times) the rookie is already better than most players on the team.

gpngc
07-26-2010, 02:10 AM
^ I know that people had the size knocks on Harvin and DJax, but not me. I had Percy projected as a top five guy since his freshman year and all he did was get stronger since then.

As for DJax, people all worried about his size, but as I pointed out leading up to the draft, he weighed in so light because he was training to run a ridiculous 40 (which he did). And people loved using the "can he be a #1 WR" because of the size factor (means nothing - proven every year) and because he was known as an electricity guy (returns) comparable to Reggie Bush (who was a completely different offensive position), ignoring the fact that Jackson was a very good collegiate pure wide receiver, quite polished, and definitely pro-ready.

Sorry for the rant, but I never thought otherwise - maybe not top 5 if you counted off the prospects, but none of those guys had any business going outside the top ten, and a lot of us (including me) recognized that blunder beforehand, and now we can all agree in hindsight.

DJax must have been the biggest A-hole in the world at his interviews. That's the only explanation.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-26-2010, 02:17 AM
Jackson was 168 pounds. There was a serious question as to whether he'd get folded in half immediately. It's wasn't really a concern to me, I had him projected as a top 10 guy at one point, but I understood the concern. Harvin was a bit of a positional mystery. He hadn't been tested as a wideout at Florida and no one believed he'd make it as a tailback in the NFL, so the concern was that he'd never master a position enough to be worth a pick that high. That concern I thought was a little more legitimate, even if it has proven so far to be wrong.

Bryant, on the other hand, was dominant and brilliant in college in exactly the way an NFL receiver needs to be.

AntoinCD
07-26-2010, 02:37 AM
I just hope Dez remembers this in a few years when he's a veteran and some rookie WR comes in.

vidae
07-26-2010, 02:59 AM
I don't care who you are, you carry the pads. It's a tradition and a rite of passage that every rookie goes through.

fenikz
07-26-2010, 03:08 AM
Dockett tweeted this

@ddockett what would you do if you gave a rookie your pads and he didnt carry them in for you?-MAKE HIS LIFE MISERBLE

Dan Williams knows his place and Dockett has been riding his ass hard this offseason to get him ready for the NFL, in the end both will be better for it

FUNBUNCHER
07-26-2010, 08:40 AM
Dez is bitching about carrying football pads as a ROOKIE, like it's some cruel and unusual punishment?? Puleeeze.

I think Dallas just drafted T.O. junior.

thenewfeature06
07-26-2010, 08:46 AM
I do think it is shady but idk.. Dez should have carried the pads, how is he different from anybody else? I can see why people would like it, basically saying I am here to win but carrying pads is nothing.

umphrey
07-26-2010, 08:55 AM
Who cares- all that matters is who does what on Sundays. Whatever they can do to get good competition going to get players motivated is gonna help them. If it's malicious and the players are trying to mess with their teammates to get the job then it hurts Dallas.

FUNBUNCHER
07-26-2010, 09:03 AM
Who cares- all that matters is who does what on Sundays. Whatever they can do to get good competition going to get players motivated is gonna help them. If it's malicious and the players are trying to mess with their teammates to get the job then it hurts Dallas.

Right on, except that Dez made it a big deal because he decided he was too....something - to carry a vet's pads.

I like Bryant's game, but his head is suspect.

Splat
07-26-2010, 09:34 AM
I just would think it would be alot easier to just do it get it over with and move on.

AntoinCD
07-26-2010, 09:40 AM
Right on, except that Dez made it a big deal because he decided he was too....something - to carry a vet's pads.

I like Bryant's game, but his head is suspect.

Yeah if it was all about just getting to work that's fine but it's clearly not. Carrying someone's pads won't stop you from working hard. Every player has had to go through it when they were rookies. Some rookies get their head shaved by vets, some have to buy dinner for the whole position group. Dez ******* Bryant had to carry Roy Williams' pads after practice. Big deal. Just suck it up and do it.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 09:44 AM
Roy doesnt deserve a rookie catering to him. Roy should be carrying Dez's jock.

thenewfeature06
07-26-2010, 09:47 AM
As of right now though Roy has more everything than Dez... lolll but seriously its TC, doubt Roy says carry my pads to a preseason game or game or some other ****. He better go get some hot krispy kremes or something..

tjsunstein
07-26-2010, 09:47 AM
Dez is clearly sending a message here. Whether it's he won't put up with rookie hazing or that he doesn't respect Roy Williams is what I'm wondering.

AntoinCD
07-26-2010, 09:49 AM
Roy doesnt deserve a rookie catering to him. Roy should be carrying Dez's jock.

Lol. It's not that it's Roy Williams. If it was Miles Austin, or Larry Fitzgerald, or Andre Johnson etc it doesn't matter. It's just something that happens to rookies. What he has done is place himself above other players who have went through that or will go through that in the future.

tjsunstein
07-26-2010, 09:53 AM
Lol. It's not that it's Roy Williams. If it was Miles Austin, or Larry Fitzgerald, or Andre Johnson etc it doesn't matter. It's just something that happens to rookies. What he has done is place himself above other players who have went through that or will go through that in the future.
It's ironic that it is Roy Williams, though. The guy has done nothing since being traded to Dallas and Dez is fighting for his starting spot. Dez has become a fan favorite in Dallas for his spectacular catches but also the potential to take over Williams' job. It's the world vs. Roy right now and you're going to find more people on Dez's side.

Splat
07-26-2010, 09:56 AM
Who cares if Roy sucks he has been in the NFL for 7 years, Dez has never played in a single preseason game let alone a real game you carry the dam bags and say thank you and God Bless Merica...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Red_Forman.jpg

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 10:00 AM
Yeah it's tradition...but he's a grown ass man. Some guys jsut arent feeling the rookie hazing at all. I cant really fault him. The hazing is stupid to begin with. Give me guys like Austin and Hurd, who try to help the rookies learn and fit in better without the alienation and ridicule. Granted, it's all in good fun, but it's not really necessary for all.

Saints-Tigers
07-26-2010, 10:25 AM
i would have told roy to **** off.

then i would have proceeded to walk over to miles austin and ask if he'd like me to carry his pads


Why? Miles is a bigger douche than Roy by a lot, and has a grand total of 1 good season.


Anyway, I wouldn't be carrying any man's pads either, but I wouldn't have gotten myself to have a reputation and supposed character concerns, so me not carrying pads wouldn't make me look like a guy who thinks he's better than the other rookies.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 10:29 AM
Miles is a good guy...he has some douchy qualities, seeing as he's a big party boy who throws his money around...but Roy Williams is a prima donna ass hat.

Miles is considered to be a quality person, who Wade and his teammates say hasnt changed at all, since breaking out.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
07-26-2010, 10:46 AM
Dez needs to suck it up and carry the pads even if it was Patrick Crayton telling him to do it. It's not an im here to take your job attitude its Dez just being a *****. If they wanted to tape him to the goal post and rub icy hot on his nut sack then ok have a little beef with it.

RealityCheck
07-26-2010, 10:50 AM
Dez is an adult man. He doesn't have to carry no one's pads around. **** it's a tradition.

Plus, he rules and Roy sucks.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 10:51 AM
I wouldnt even carry Patrick Crayton's pads.

bigbluedefense
07-26-2010, 11:03 AM
Carry the pads rookie.

I don't care how high profile you are, you're still a rookie. Cowboy fans better hope all the pub that Bryant is getting won't go to his head. I don't think it will, but you never know.

I haven't seen a Dallas rookie get this much attention in awhile, and that's saying something. Bryant is a beast though.

I still believe SD is gonna kick themselves for a long time for not getting Bryant. They traded the farm for Ryan Matthews? They shouldve got Dez. Hes a perfect fit for Phillip Rivers.

Brothgar
07-26-2010, 11:11 AM
That bum should be carrying Dez's pads.

Roy isn't fit to hold Dez's jock let alone carry his pads. If it were Jason Witten's pads that Dez wouldn't carry I'd be angry but since it is a guy who won't be on the team anymore after this season I have no problem with it.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
07-26-2010, 11:24 AM
I get the whole Roy Williams is a bum thing, but give me a break. This is how it is and has been for some time. Dez isn't the first or the last, and many more people have done this that are worse off, higher picks, more pressing positions, and all that. It is a typical WR attitude. Props to him on getting signed first. This throws me off though. He's not above the league. I get the big idea that its a stupid tradition, but it is what it is, he's not the first or last.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 11:34 AM
He's not the first or the last to refuse to play the hazing game either...but he's a Cowboy, so it's front page news.

FUNBUNCHER
07-26-2010, 12:23 PM
He's not the first or the last to refuse to play the hazing game either...but he's a Cowboy, so it's front page news.

Peyton had to do nonsense B.S. as a rookie with the Colts. So did Adrian Peterson and dozens of other NFL superstars.

Who the hell is Dez Bryant?? Yeah, I love the guy's ability, but to poop his diaper because he was asked as a rook to carry someone's shoulder pads is trifling.


Emmitt, Troy, and Michael Irvin ALL went through worse crap as rookies, but I guess Dez is 'special'.

Look, in principle, I'm against hazing, whether it be on a college campus or one's place of employment.

But in the NFL, 'hazing' generally consists of being stuck with the bill when your position or unit teammates go out to dinner, being taped to a goal post, having your head shaved, carrying teammates bags on and off chartered flights, singing your school fight song and buying donuts during TC.

IMO all this stuff is minor. Most frats do it a hundred times worse than the NFL could ever imagine.

Dez is being a diva and needs to realize that just because he signed his contract, he has NO juice at all with the Cowboys vets or in the lockerroom at this point in his career.

LonghornsLegend
07-26-2010, 12:37 PM
Why? Miles is a bigger douche than Roy by a lot, and has a grand total of 1 good season.



Care to elaborate what he's done that makes him a douche, or is it just because he plays for Dallas, works hard, smiles, and stays out of the limelight? He didn't ***** about not getting a contract yet, signed his tender, making less then Dez, not getting the ball enough, says all the right things, and always says the right things.


I'd love to hear you list all the reasons that makes Miles a bigger douche then Roy "by alot", so that should be pretty easy for you to do.



I also agree Dez should have carried his pads, but he'll get hazed trust me. Even if it's just your common practical jokes that I saw them do to Felix on Hard Knocks.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 12:37 PM
ugh. It's a non issue...and there must have been plenty of guys who have refused to play these little games. You just dont hear about them. But everything is a story when it involves the Cowboys. The big "issue" is that it involves Roy Williams, the player Dez was drafted to replace.

As for the big three...good luck, finding if they actually were involved in any worse hazing or not when they were younger. I was like 2-4 when they were rookies. haha.

Hazing is a stupid tradition. These are grown men after all...I wouldnt fault any of them for refusing to do demeaning things. The icing on the cake is that it's that donkey Roy Williams. lol.

For the record...not that it matters. I never agreed to carry pads or get water when I played high school football either. They can get there own damn stuff...you're all there to play a game. And I didnt subject new comers to such when I was a Senior either. A really stupid worn out tradition.

Bengalsrocket
07-26-2010, 12:54 PM
How are you guys coming to the conclusion that he Dez Bryant believes he's better than other rookies?

Maybe he doesn't want any rookies to carry pads or get hazed because it's a fairly childish tradition.

If Dez wants to act more mature than the rest of the league I won't fault him for it.

Lastly, I get that hazing is suppose to be a fun part of sports and it actually can create friendships and bond these guys together. But it's not for everyone and you can't force him to do it.

CC.SD
07-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Carry the pads rookie.

I don't care how high profile you are, you're still a rookie. Cowboy fans better hope all the pub that Bryant is getting won't go to his head. I don't think it will, but you never know.

I haven't seen a Dallas rookie get this much attention in awhile, and that's saying something. Bryant is a beast though.

I still believe SD is gonna kick themselves for a long time for not getting Bryant. They traded the farm for Ryan Matthews? They shouldve got Dez. Hes a perfect fit for Phillip Rivers.

SD sent Gates and Jackson to Miami...and Ladainian to New York. Of all the teams to bring up for passing on Dez, this is probably the weirdest choice.

LonghornsLegend
07-26-2010, 01:23 PM
SD sent Gates and Jackson to Miami...and Ladainian to New York. Of all the teams to bring up for passing on Dez, this is probably the weirdest choice.

I don't understand this part. Where did San Diego send Gates?

bigbluedefense
07-26-2010, 01:23 PM
SD sent Gates and Jackson to Miami...and Ladainian to New York. Of all the teams to bring up for passing on Dez, this is probably the weirdest choice.

There's a good chance Jackson doesn't resign, plus he could miss this entire season.

Dez would be the perfect Jackson replacement, and would have been a very affordable one at that.

Plus, even if you kept Jackson, can you imagine how dynamic that offense would be with Jackson, Dez and Gates? Rivers could play ally oop all day and no one could stop it.

Backs can be found at any point in the draft. They couldve gotten both Dez and a RB to fill the void. Matthews isn't a game changing Back, spending that much for him doesn't make sense to me. He's a good back who does a lot of things very well, but backs like Matthews can be found at any point in the draft.

tjsunstein
07-26-2010, 01:24 PM
I don't understand this part. Where did San Diego send Gates?
Pro Bowl in Miami?

bigbluedefense
07-26-2010, 01:24 PM
I don't understand this part. Where did San Diego send Gates?

Pro Bowl. (was in Miami this year)

CC.SD
07-26-2010, 01:35 PM
There's a good chance Jackson doesn't resign, plus he could miss this entire season.

Dez would be the perfect Jackson replacement, and would have been a very affordable one at that.

Plus, even if you kept Jackson, can you imagine how dynamic that offense would be with Jackson, Dez and Gates? Rivers could play ally oop all day and no one could stop it.

Backs can be found at any point in the draft. They couldve gotten both Dez and a RB to fill the void. Matthews isn't a game changing Back, spending that much for him doesn't make sense to me. He's a good back who does a lot of things very well, but backs like Matthews can be found at any point in the draft.

Hm I think we just disagree on Mathews then. (one T!) He looks like a gamechanger to me. Behind our crap O-line I don't know how much he'll get to prove it but his game is beastly and he's going to get a huge opportunity.

Chargers have Floyd opposite Jackson anyway, with guys like Naanee and Davis still waiting to get a shot too. You're forgetting that it's basically impossible to get serious production out of a rookie wideout, it is still a very rare occurence. Plus attitude issues? There has got to be a better team to have this conversation about than the one that snagged the best RB in the draft instead of starting Darren Sproles.

bigbluedefense
07-26-2010, 01:44 PM
Hm I think we just disagree on Mathews then. (one T!) He looks like a gamechanger to me. Behind our crap O-line I don't know how much he'll get to prove it but his game is beastly and he's going to get a huge opportunity.

Chargers have Floyd opposite Jackson anyway, with guys like Naanee and Davis still waiting to get a shot too. You're forgetting that it's basically impossible to get serious production out of a rookie wideout, it is still a very rare occurence. Plus attitude issues? There has got to be a better team to have this conversation about than the one that snagged the best RB in the draft instead of starting Darren Sproles.

I'm generally against the idea of drafting RBs in the first round unless they are gamechangers. I thought Spiller deserved to be a round 1 guy but that's about it. Mathews reminds me of Matt Forte, a patient runner who does everything good but nothing great.

I know SD already has a bunch of trees at WR even without Jackson, but still, none of them have the talent of Dez Bryant.

And I think WRs are starting to produce results quicker than in years past. I don't know exaclty why, but they are. Plus Dez's character issues are overblown.

Character issues as a whole have been overblown the past 3 years. Ask Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Vontae Davis etc.

LonghornsLegend
07-26-2010, 01:56 PM
Pro Bowl in Miami?

Ahhh, I guess that makes sense then, completely missed that one.

Shahin
07-26-2010, 05:00 PM
Care to elaborate what he's done that makes him a douche, or is it just because he plays for Dallas, works hard, smiles, and stays out of the limelight? He didn't ***** about not getting a contract yet, signed his tender, making less then Dez, not getting the ball enough, says all the right things, and always says the right things.


I'd love to hear you list all the reasons that makes Miles a bigger douche then Roy "by alot", so that should be pretty easy for you to do.



I also agree Dez should have carried his pads, but he'll get hazed trust me. Even if it's just your common practical jokes that I saw them do to Felix on Hard Knocks.

http://o.aolcdn.com/art/sportsdata/nfl/players/hs_8021.jpg

I dunno....looks pretty douchey to me.

PoopSandwich
07-26-2010, 05:46 PM
If Dez wants to act more mature than the rest of the league I won't fault him for it.


How exactly is it more mature than the rest of the league to not go by a tradition that pretty much every rookie goes through and not a bad one at that. Oh no I had to carry his pads because I'm the new guy its devastating to me.

Regardless it's a non story and stupid, but I just feel like he should have carried the dudes pads it's really not that big of a deal, you're a rookie and you get hazed, Brady Quinn got his ******* head shaved.

D-Unit
07-26-2010, 05:51 PM
How exactly is it more mature than the rest of the league to not go by a tradition that pretty much every rookie goes through and not a bad one at that. Oh no I had to carry his pads because I'm the new guy its devastating to me.

Regardless it's a non story and stupid, but I just feel like he should have carried the dudes pads it's really not that big of a deal, you're a rookie and you get hazed, Brady Quinn got his ******* head shaved.
The whole hazing tradition is immature. What don't you get about that?

Saints-Tigers
07-26-2010, 05:52 PM
Miles is one of those guys that gets up and runs his head after each play, and chest pounds and roars Jeremy Shockey style after making a 6 yard catch in the first quarter.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-26-2010, 05:58 PM
The whole hazing tradition is immature. What don't you get about that?

So is making a pointless statement against the traditions of a profession which you voluntarily entered and is paying you millions of dollars.

There's nothing mature about what Bryant is doing.

PoopSandwich
07-26-2010, 06:07 PM
The whole hazing tradition is immature. What don't you get about that?

I don't get how it's being mature by not taking a veterans pads to the locker room when every single other rookie in the league does it.

yourfavestoner
07-26-2010, 06:10 PM
ugh. It's a non issue...and there must have been plenty of guys who have refused to play these little games. You just dont hear about them. But everything is a story when it involves the Cowboys. The big "issue" is that it involves Roy Williams, the player Dez was drafted to replace.

As for the big three...good luck, finding if they actually were involved in any worse hazing or not when they were younger. I was like 2-4 when they were rookies. haha.

Hazing is a stupid tradition. These are grown men after all...I wouldnt fault any of them for refusing to do demeaning things. The icing on the cake is that it's that donkey Roy Williams. lol.

For the record...not that it matters. I never agreed to carry pads or get water when I played high school football either. They can get there own damn stuff...you're all there to play a game. And I didnt subject new comers to such when I was a Senior either. A really stupid worn out tradition.

Exactly. If anything, I'd understand it more in HS or college, with upperclassman forcing freshman to do **** for them. Everybody in the NFL is a grown ass man.

CC.SD
07-26-2010, 06:10 PM
The whole hazing tradition is immature. What don't you get about that?

So is throwing the ball around the field and tackling each other though. :D Institution makes it serious, same with rookie rituals.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 06:25 PM
Miles is one of those guys that gets up and runs his head after each play, and chest pounds and roars Jeremy Shockey style after making a 6 yard catch in the first quarter.

So is Marion Barber...but he's the Barbarian and Miles is a douche? lol. Miles is very excitable...he plays the game with a child like enthusiasm...it's refreshing to see. Guy almost always has a big goofy smile on his face. That's what I love about these later round guys or undrafted guys that are scattered about the Cowboys roster. They just seem to love and play the game so much harder than others. Romo, Barber, Choice, Crayton, Austin, Hurd, Ogletree, Ratliff, etc. Hard work and love for the game baby. haha.

General Zod
07-26-2010, 06:30 PM
So is Marion Barber...but he's the Barbarian and Miles is a douche, he almost always has a big goofy smile on his face. haha.

He's one of those players that make really odd facial expressions when he plays. Kinda like Phillip Rivers.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 06:34 PM
He's one of those players that make really odd facial expressions when he plays. Kinda like Phillip Rivers.

It's still better than this all game long...

http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/eli_manning_confused.png

duhhhhhh.

Saints-Tigers
07-26-2010, 06:36 PM
Marion Barber trucks through 10 guys at a time to get his 6 yards though.

Go_Eagles77
07-26-2010, 06:58 PM
http://www.unclebarky.com/dfw_files/page5_blog_entry1302_1.jpg

LonghornsLegend
07-26-2010, 07:51 PM
Miles is one of those guys that gets up and runs his head after each play, and chest pounds and roars Jeremy Shockey style after making a 6 yard catch in the first quarter.


LOL. That's the best that you can come up with, for a guy you said is a much bigger douche then Roy Williams? I don't mind people cracking on the guy for smiling like he has 35848 teeth, or just admitting you hate him for no good reason. But it annoys me when people make comments like yours and the best you can come up with is this, a guy who gets emotional after a big play.


Yet that makes him a bigger douche by alot then the guy who celebrates 4 yard 1st down catches. That makes alot of sense. I just prefer guys at least come with some merit to call out a dude for being a douche, especially over a guy like RW who has made stupid ass comments pretty much his entire career.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2010, 07:53 PM
http://www.unclebarky.com/dfw_files/page5_blog_entry1302_1.jpg

....still banging Kim Kardashian.

That pic is pretty horrific, though.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-26-2010, 09:44 PM
I actually really like Dez but he's being such a damn Diva. This isn't even ridiculous hazing. It's not like he's being tied to a field goal post and being sprayed down like so many players do. It's not like Sean Taylor almost being blinded by LaVar shaving cream pie. A veteran made him carry his damn pads to the locker room, pretty damn simple. It's never good when you isolate yourself from the rest of the team. And I wouldn't say all that matters is what you do on the field. Ask TO about that. Nothing good can come from creating a rift between you and the vets.

RealityCheck
07-26-2010, 09:46 PM
http://o.aolcdn.com/art/sportsdata/nfl/players/hs_8021.jpg

I dunno....looks pretty douchey to me.
When I say this guy is white, you laugh at me.

Brodeur
07-26-2010, 10:03 PM
I think all rookie hazing is stupid and should be taken out of all sports, so I'm with Dez Bryant on this.

Brown Leader
07-26-2010, 10:29 PM
As long as no serious harm is done, hazing is funny. It always will be. Catching an attitude about it just makes it funnier.

Splat
07-26-2010, 10:44 PM
If Larry Allen was still playing for the Cowboys do you think Dez would have told him no? :)

J-Mike88
07-26-2010, 10:49 PM
When I say this guy is white, you laugh at me.
Miles Austin is very smart, articulate, and athletic. A good guy.
I'd draft him ahead of almost every other WR this year in FF.

Scotty D
07-26-2010, 10:59 PM
Somebody needs to help Roy carry his pads! He keeps dropping them!

Bad Boy
07-26-2010, 11:41 PM
Y'all leave my man dez alone. He gonna light defenses up like the fourth of July.

fenikz
07-26-2010, 11:52 PM
Somebody needs to help Roy carry his pads! He keeps dropping them!

lol

but really Dez needs to **** and respect the vets

Saints-Tigers
07-27-2010, 01:18 AM
LOL. That's the best that you can come up with, for a guy you said is a much bigger douche then Roy Williams? I don't mind people cracking on the guy for smiling like he has 35848 teeth, or just admitting you hate him for no good reason. But it annoys me when people make comments like yours and the best you can come up with is this, a guy who gets emotional after a big play.


Yet that makes him a bigger douche by alot then the guy who celebrates 4 yard 1st down catches. That makes alot of sense. I just prefer guys at least come with some merit to call out a dude for being a douche, especially over a guy like RW who has made stupid ass comments pretty much his entire career.


I'm not talking about big plays, I've seen the dude celebrating like he won a superbowl on the first catch of the game, and not even for a first down(as if a first down warrants all that).

It's not that big of a deal dude, Jeremy Shockey does it all the time, and he's a **** too, but busting out the champagne bottles when you win preseason games(analogy) makes you look like a douche.

Joecool
07-27-2010, 07:05 AM
Roy sucks anyways. Dez is gonna be day one starter.

FUNBUNCHER
07-27-2010, 10:28 AM
It's really not about the starting 2 WRs for Dallas that's the issue IMO. What's scary is having Bryant/Austin/Williams in a 3 wide set with Felix Jones flashing from the backfield.

I fully expect Dez to have a Torry Holt type impact as a rookie.

Redux of the Greatest Show on Turf, potentially, and why they're a SB fave.

Dammit.

Splat
07-27-2010, 10:33 AM
Y'all leave my man dez alone.

http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1220363%7E49b7320d87519d4d423b9d28e222f92f/leave_britney_alone.jpg

bigbluedefense
07-27-2010, 10:40 AM
It's really not about the starting 2 WRs for Dallas that's the issue IMO. What's scary is having Bryant/Austin/Williams in a 3 wide set with Felix Jones flashing from the backfield.

I fully expect Dez to have a Torry Holt type impact as a rookie.

Redux of the Greatest Show on Turf, potentially, and why they're a SB fave.

Dammit.

I'm not worried about Roy, I think he's a bum. Thankfully for the Giants, I feel we have 3 CBs who can cover their guys 1 on 1 if need be (if we run man coverage this year). And if KP is healthy, I feel we have the safety duo needed to take them on as well.

The real key to me is Witten. Now with Dez and Miles on the outside, it makes it even more difficult for you to hone in on Witten and try to take him out.

If I'm Dallas, I rather go 2 TE than 3 Wide. I think Bennett is a bigger mismatch than Roy, bc now you gotta run your base defense against a 2 TE set, and that forces you to have an LB on either Bennett or Witten, and I think they both will eat LBs for breakfast.

FUNBUNCHER
07-27-2010, 10:55 AM
Roy Williams may not have the stuff to be a #1, but he's better than a 'bum' as a 2nd or 3rd WR.
If that 'bum' catches the ball on a slant going upfield, he's outrunning most secondaries in the NFL.

For some reason I forgot about Witten. Dallas' passing offense is loaded.

After last season, the Giants have a lot prove on the field before than can assume they have the defensive personnel to match up with Dallas.

For any of this to materialize, Dez needs to grow up and stop thinking he's already an All Pro.

bigbluedefense
07-27-2010, 11:03 AM
Roy Williams may not have the stuff to be a #1, but he's better than a 'bum' as a 2nd or 3rd WR.
If that 'bum' catches the ball on a slant going upfield, he's outrunning most secondaries in the NFL.

For some reason I forgot about Witten. Dallas' passing offense is loaded.

After last season, the Giants have a lot prove on the field before than can assume they have the defensive personnel to match up with Dallas.

For any of this to materialize, Dez needs to grow up and stop thinking he's already an All Pro.

He's a bum. We covered him 1 on 1 with Bruce freakin Johnson last year at times.

I think we have the personnel (if healthy), its a matter of how its going to be used. I think our defensive fate rests on Perry Fewell and our health.

FUNBUNCHER
07-27-2010, 11:29 AM
That bum scored 7 TDs last season. To each his own.

scottyboy
07-27-2010, 12:00 PM
hey hey hey. uncalled for moth. this is all because, and for, you:

http://www.hsart.com/images/eli%20manning%20signed.jpg

I'll take this face allllll day :)

K Train
07-27-2010, 12:03 PM
this is a non issue...i love what hes doing, its not like hes ******** on the founding fathers of the game or letting the terrorist win, hes taking roy williams job. dez is quickly climbing up my favorite player list lol. roy should carry his pads for all the disappointment he brings to the table and the bright future dez has

its not like roy told him to carry his pads and dez decked him in the face and ****** his wife...roy should have kept his mouth shut rather than bringing it up to the media and having to follow up a few days later since its such a big deal with a statement like "it wasnt a big deal"

FUNBUNCHER
07-27-2010, 12:08 PM
Don't get it twisted, DEz made this a 'big' deal. Not Roy.

Roy Williams did what ALL NFL vets do to rookies. Dez is the one who decided that ain't me.

soybean
07-27-2010, 01:14 PM
I'm glad Dez came to his senses.

I know it's a F***ed up situation but it's just something you have to do.

I didn't know nothing about no tradition," Bryant said. "The only thing about me ... when I try to do something right, ya'll try and turn it negative and I don't feel like that's right. I'm trying my best to do the right thing but it seems like I can't do the right thing because every little thing that I do ya'll watching it and try to make a big deal out of it.

On Monday afternoon, Bryant met with former NFL player and current television analyst Rodney Harrison, who said the rookie needs to carry the pads if asked by a veteran.

"I said this is a situation where this is a custom and a ritual that's been around before you were even born," Harrison said in recalling his conversation with Bryant. "I had to do it and everybody had to do it."

We're fine. It's not even a situation," Bryant said. "Me and Roy is great. Not only me and Roy, but the whole team. Ya'll trying to turn us against each other.

tjsunstein
07-27-2010, 01:30 PM
Dez Bryant should master the english language before speaking to the media. "Me and Roy is great." Really?

ryno626
07-27-2010, 01:49 PM
Dez Bryant should master the english language before speaking to the media. "Me and Roy is great." Really?

"I didn't know nothing about no tradition"

D-Unit
07-27-2010, 02:02 PM
If Larry Allen was still playing for the Cowboys do you think Dez would have told him no? :)
Larry Allen was a quiet mouse.

iowatreat54
07-27-2010, 02:15 PM
I love Dez as a player, but he's either incredibly dumb or just doesn't care. Like so many other athletes, he can't even speak properly. Yet, jokes on me because he'll make millions of dollars in his life. I hate society so much sometimes...

Also, you've played football all your life and you didn't know about rookie hazing? I pray he really isn't that dumb.

LonghornsLegend
07-27-2010, 02:18 PM
Dez Bryant should master the english language before speaking to the media. "Me and Roy is great." Really?

Speaking isn't his best quality. Sucks that he'll be having to do tons of interviews but I guess I'll take it with the talent *sigh*

K Train
07-27-2010, 02:43 PM
If Larry Allen was still playing for the Cowboys do you think Dez would have told him no? :)
whats he gonna do beat the **** out of him? that **** flew in the 70s but im pretty sure thats not ok anymore

Speaking isn't his best quality. Sucks that he'll be having to do tons of interviews but I guess I'll take it with the talent *sigh*

ever hear chris johnson talk? dez sounds like a scientist compared to chris johnson

M.O.T.H.
07-27-2010, 03:17 PM
Larry would still do it, he didnt care. He almost killed Jose Cortez.

M.O.T.H.
07-27-2010, 03:19 PM
ever hear chris johnson talk? dez sounds like a scientist compared to chris johnson

CJ and Devin Hester are certainly worse...but Dez is up there with the worst of them, when it comes to some public speaking.

Felix Jones is a fantastic person, nicest guy in the world, but he intentionally stays quiet when the cameras are on because, he doesnt have a great way with words either. He's still much better than the others here.

Brent
07-27-2010, 04:29 PM
Larry would still do it, he didnt care. He almost killed Jose Cortez.
He should have killed Jose Cortez. I ******* hate Jose Cortez.

Also, I couldnt finish that Dez reply, I cant read talking that piss-poor without a hemorrhage.

M.O.T.H.
07-27-2010, 04:32 PM
He should have killed Jose Cortez. I ******* hate Jose Cortez.

Also, I couldnt finish that Dez reply, I cant read talking that piss-poor without a hemorrhage.

lol. Yeah I could have lived without Jose Cortez.

We should bring him back to take care of your boy, Stephen Mcgee, the guy is garbage.

FUNBUNCHER
07-27-2010, 09:06 PM
Wow. I guess Dez really didn't have a clue.

I've heard that more than a few big time college football players don't even watch the NFL or follow the game. Guess it's true.

Hopefully Mr. Bryant's mental acuity will eventually catch up with his idiot savant ability to play wide receiver.

Makes you wonder if he knew the Dallas Cowboys were located in Texas.

Brent
07-27-2010, 09:55 PM
We should bring him back to take care of your boy, Stephen Mcgee, the guy is garbage.
How can you call McGee garbage? He's entering his second year! I don't think he even played a down last year. I did watch him in preseason games, all he did was exactly what Romo did when he was a rookie: run for his life because your team has no O-line depth in preseason games.

Ravens1991
07-27-2010, 10:09 PM
lol. Yeah I could have lived without Jose Cortez.

We should bring him back to take care of your boy, Stephen Mcgee, the guy is garbage.


What was th whole story w/ Cortez? All I remember was Allen grabbing him by the throat on the sideline.

LonghornsLegend
07-27-2010, 10:14 PM
How can you call McGee garbage? He's entering his second year! I don't think he even played a down last year. I did watch him in preseason games, all he did was exactly what Romo did when he was a rookie: run for his life because your team has no O-line depth in preseason games.


That's very true. I am still holding hope, I did want him bad, but I want to see some promise also. Rudy Carpenter looked better then him and he played with a worse line and worse WR's. I just don't want to go through a lapse in finding a QB again when we'll have a ton of weapons on offense. We need to put a priority on developing that guy now for a few years and McGee hasn't showed many flashes of a player yet but I'm gonna give him some time.

Brent
07-27-2010, 10:21 PM
McGee hasn't showed many flashes of a player yet but I'm gonna give him some time.
...IT'S BEEN ONE SEASON! haha.

M.O.T.H.
07-27-2010, 11:30 PM
Mcgee has zero awareness and he cannot complete passes, even against air in camp. Sure it's early...but some are already questioning if he's an NFL QB. He's just not getting it. All his reps are shrouded with confusion and turnovers. Would I be surprised if he was cut this year? Not at all.

It wont happen, but it wouldnt surprise me. There doesnt seem to be a lot of confidence in him right now.

I hate our backup QB situation. Kitna blows, but he's a helluva lot better than Mcgee.