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Mr. Goosemahn
07-30-2010, 09:58 AM
To see previously discussed prospects, click here.
Jake Locker - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2230943
Cameron Heyward - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41890
Marvin Austin - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41892
Adrian Clayborn - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41919
Anthony Castonzo - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41929
Greg Romeus - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41940
Von Miller - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2238637
Mike Pouncey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41959
Allen Bailey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41971
Mark Herzlich - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41993
Prince Amukamara - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42000
Gabe Carimi - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42014
Patrick Peterson - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42030
Terrance Toliver - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42042


http://www.offthebag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/noel_devine.jpg

RB Noel Devine, West Virginia
5'8 - 176 lbs. - Senior

Highlights!

Gotta hear this first, of course!
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Lightning. The kid is an exciting player to watch. He's very small, but he's very powerful for his size. Check this out:

A power clean of 300 pounds, a 500-pound squat, a bench of 435 lbs., a 38-inch vertical leap, a 10-foot-7 inch broad jump, and a 4.04-second pro agility drill time.

Pretty good for a small guy. And he's also got the Deion Sanders stamp of approval, and recently, when Deion likes a guy, he's good. Crabtree, then Dez, now Devine.

He's very fast, very elusive, and I would absolutely love him in a Steelers uniform to complement Mendenhall and Dwyer.

AntoinCD
07-30-2010, 10:05 AM
Devine is a really interesting prospect. I'm not sure he'll become anything more than Leon Washington or Darren Sproles. And while both of those players are extremely good at what they do, I'm not sure I'd be happy giving up a high pick for him. I think he settles in the second round

Hines
07-30-2010, 10:15 AM
I'm super surprised he came back for his senior season. Doesn't he have like 5 children? Nonetheless, he had one of the best HS films I've EVER seen. He'll be good in multiple roles in the NFL IMO.

princefielder28
07-30-2010, 10:23 AM
His game changing ability is evident and I have a feeling next April he'll get overdrafted thanks to his situational, home run ability. I personally wouldn't take him until at least the 3rd round but I could see a team selecting him in round two.

nepg
07-30-2010, 10:26 AM
I would have taken him in the first round this past draft. Really want him on the Pats to replace Faulk.

CLong4Heisman
07-30-2010, 12:35 PM
He has great lower body build just like Maurice Jones Drew. I really think he is going to be a good fit for a team that already has a solid running back in place.

dannyz
07-30-2010, 01:18 PM
He is good, a guy who should be drafted in the 3RD but because he is fast he will get overdrafted and picked in the 1ST or something and would be a bust.

bjones9
07-30-2010, 01:32 PM
He's dirty. Scary fast, any rb will be better for the Pats, not injury prone pieces of trash.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-30-2010, 02:42 PM
I think Devine will be great in the NFL. How large a role he'll play remains to be seen, but if a team was willing to move him all over the field, he could be a great offensive threat.

I don't think I've ever seen a prospect before with the ability to change directions like Devine does. He won't be Barry Sanders, but he could be awesome.

Don Vito
07-30-2010, 03:05 PM
I want him to be a Patriot very badly, we need to take a running back early next year.

FUNBUNCHER
07-30-2010, 03:09 PM
Should have come out last year.

Shane P. Hallam
07-30-2010, 03:16 PM
He doesn't crack my Top 5 draft eligible RBs yet. Speed is there, but he isn't built to take a full load. Just doesn't quite have the upside other RBs do. I'd sa 2nd or 3rd round is adequate.

BeerBaron
07-30-2010, 05:12 PM
If McCluster can go in the 2nd round, high 2nd round no less, then so can Devine. More and more teams want that style of player who can line up in a number of places and be dangerous.

FUNBUNCHER
07-30-2010, 06:13 PM
He has great lower body build just like Maurice Jones Drew. I really think he is going to be a good fit for a team that already has a solid running back in place.

Actually, he doesn't. That's Devine's problem from a physique standpoint; his wheels are thinnish for a RB, especially a small one.

MJJ's legs are almost twice the size of Devine's.

Also, if Devine breaks 4.45 in official testing, I would be mildly shocked. He's got pro quicks, but he gets tracked down a lot on his broken field runs.

A poor man's CJ Spiller.

dannyz
07-30-2010, 06:50 PM
Can you trust a guy like him to take hit after hit and keep getting up?

Paranoidmoonduck
07-30-2010, 07:14 PM
He hasn't had any injury issues to date (he missed one game his freshman year, but I'm not even sure if that was due to injury). He's been an 18-20 touch per game guy, has a career YPC over 6, and has been as productive and dangerous as one could have expected when he came out of high school.

I can understand why someone would put more traditionally sized runners over Devine, but as far as I'm concerned, he's displayed just as good a sense for the position as any runner in the nation (Ingram and Williams included). I think he could an exception to the general worry over drafting a smaller tailback and I would easily consider him worth a 1st round pick at this point.

wonderbredd24
07-30-2010, 07:47 PM
If McCluster can go in the 2nd round, high 2nd round no less, then so can Devine. More and more teams want that style of player who can line up in a number of places and be dangerous.

The difference is McCluster actually did... has Devine ever lined up as a receiver or returned kicks? McCluster ran better routes at the Senior Bowl than a few of the receivers

I'm not doubting that Devine can go in rond 2, but it has nothing to do with McCluster

BeerBaron
07-30-2010, 07:58 PM
The difference is McCluster actually did... has Devine ever lined up as a receiver or returned kicks? McCluster ran better routes at the Senior Bowl than a few of the receivers

I'm not doubting that Devine can go in rond 2, but it has nothing to do with McCluster

He just hasn't been asked to do as much in the WVU style offense. I have no doubt that he has the skills to translate though, and like I said, NFL teams are constantly looking for the type of player who can be dangerous from a lot of positions, and I think Devine can be that type of player once he gets some work in the pros.

Texas Homer
07-31-2010, 02:56 AM
This guy is fun to watch play.

bce
07-31-2010, 12:29 PM
Interesting prospect. I wonder if he can carry the load and not get beat up. May be a worthwhile short term investment, I question whether he has the size to handle the pounding of a first tier back for the long term. I'd be shocked if he slipped past rd 2. If I was a good team and needed a complementary 2nd back and offensive weapon i may pull the trigger there. If im looking for a first tier back, id probably have to look elsewhere.

thenewfeature06
07-31-2010, 12:49 PM
If he gets a little thicker he is the closest thing to Darren Sproles probably

K Train
07-31-2010, 12:52 PM
If he gets a little thicker he is the closest thing to Darren Sproles probably

hes wayyyyyyyyy stronger than sproles could ever be. noel devine is a tiny little back with the legs of a 250 pound RB and has an NFL ready frame. i think he will be a brilliant pro, if brian westbrook can be a star in the league noel devine certainly can. if reggie bush or darren mcfadden has devines legs theyd be a regular at the probowl

thenewfeature06
07-31-2010, 12:58 PM
At this point Sproles can't be weaker than Devine. I don't see it just because of the age difference, Sproles probably wasn't as strong as Devine in college but now idk about that.. Devine won't be able to carry the load, seems like a very hard worker though. Im guessing he maxs out at 200 which isn't bad but is it possible for him to be a Ray Rice/MOJO.. imo I don't see it but he could be a sick compliment to a B Jacobs/Cedric Benson

bce
07-31-2010, 01:11 PM
If hes 200 thats big enough. Ive seen him listed as low as 175, which is too small.

wicket
07-31-2010, 01:53 PM
If hes 200 thats big enough. Ive seen him listed as low as 175, which is too small.

hey you make sense, although at his length 190 would suffice probably. The point is that I dont see much room in his frame to carry the extra weight. Id really like to see his legs have some extra meet on them, the only way he'll work out as a pro is when he can become a sproles-type bowling ball. He doesnt have the top-end speed to just be an open field type player so he needs to be able to pound the ball a bit.

bce
07-31-2010, 02:22 PM
I dont know. hes pretty fast, at least on tape. I would say hed be exactly suited to be an open field player and not suited to pounding between the tackles.

wicket
07-31-2010, 02:43 PM
I dont know. hes pretty fast, at least on tape. I would say hed be exactly suited to be an open field player and not suited to pounding between the tackles.

he's pretty fast but not fast enough to just be open field player. Like with Reggie Bush, he can still be productive even when everyone knows he just plays scatback. Dont think Devine has the speed to be so predictable and still pull it off(he does have the wiggle imo). He needs to have the thread of pounding it up the middle in order for his open field qualities to blossom.

So im not saying he needs to be a pounder but he needs to have that threat about him to be productive imo

bce
07-31-2010, 02:47 PM
Whether he can elude and run around people, i think he can. Whether he can take a lot of big licks and break tackles and get tough yards and still stay on the field, im not sold on it.

cajuncorey
07-31-2010, 04:29 PM
hes a scrappy lil bugger and he CAN run between the tackles because hes as powerful as f***... hes like deanglo williams in my mind... he could get picked in the first round... but as everyone says he WILL have to play in a 2 back system

bce
07-31-2010, 04:46 PM
hes a lot samller than deangelo williams

FUNBUNCHER
07-31-2010, 05:36 PM
hes wayyyyyyyyy stronger than sproles could ever be. noel devine is a tiny little back with the legs of a 250 pound RB and has an NFL ready frame. i think he will be a brilliant pro, if brian westbrook can be a star in the league noel devine certainly can. if reggie bush or darren mcfadden has devines legs theyd be a regular at the probowl

Where are you getting this from?? Devine is a small-boned athlete who's just about maxed out the amount of muscle his petite frame can carry. His smallish legs are what's holding him back from putting on weight in his lower body.

If you want to compare his physique to someone in the NFL, IMO he most closely resembles Reggie Bush, and Bush is significantly bigger than Devine, ( height and weight).

Even if it's not pure muscle, Devine needs to bulk up his physique to about 200# to survive the hits in the NFL. Maybe that's why he didn't come out last year, to put on some more weight.

nepg
08-02-2010, 10:36 AM
I hate the ******* size argument when people relate it to durability. When's the last time a RB had injury issues because they were "too small"? It's a non-issue.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
08-03-2010, 09:42 AM
Chris Johnson says "Hey" to all those who think Devine can't be a number 1 back.

OGDraft
08-03-2010, 09:45 AM
I definitely don't think he will be able to carry the load as a #1 back in the NFL. 3rd down back is most likely what he will be. I don't think he is in the same game-changer category as Reggie Bush or C.J. Spiller.

I wouldn't mind if the Falcons drafted him though. Norwood is really injury prone and it seems like he is going down with a hip injury every other week. He is also going to be in his last year of his contract and I'd rather keep Snelling than Norwood.

FUNBUNCHER
08-03-2010, 10:20 AM
Not much difference between Reggie Bush and Devine IMO. Bush has yet to prove he can carry the rock 250+ times a season either. He's an overglorified KR/ 3rd down back taken with the 2nd pick overall.

About the size and durability argument, why do you think it is that in the last 10 years more NFL teams have utilized a 2 back system? Because it's rare for one RB to carry the load for an entire season without getting dinged up.

Chris Johnson is a freak not only because of his raw speed, but his unusual durability for a sub 210# RB.

MJD can get away with being 'small' because his physique is almost round, but Devine is under 200# and isn't real thick.

If you expect Devine to run between the tackles in the NFL or consistently pick up yards on 3rd and short, he won't last 5 years in the pros IMO.

If a RB prospect is less than 5'9, 210#, he's gonna have the odds stacked against him for ever being a full time RB in the NFL.

DeathbyStat
08-03-2010, 10:45 AM
To see previously discussed prospects, click here.
Jake Locker - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2230943
Cameron Heyward - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41890
Marvin Austin - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41892
Adrian Clayborn - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41919
Anthony Castonzo - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41929
Greg Romeus - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41940
Von Miller - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2238637
Mike Pouncey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41959
Allen Bailey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41971
Mark Herzlich - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41993
Prince Amukamara - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42000
Gabe Carimi - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42014
Patrick Peterson - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42030
Terrance Toliver - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42042


http://www.offthebag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/noel_devine.jpg

RB Noel Devine, West Virginia
5'8 - 176 lbs. - Senior

Highlights!

Gotta hear this first, of course!
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Lightning. The kid is an exciting player to watch. He's very small, but he's very powerful for his size. Check this out:

A power clean of 300 pounds, a 500-pound squat, a bench of 435 lbs., a 38-inch vertical leap, a 10-foot-7 inch broad jump, and a 4.04-second pro agility drill time.

Pretty good for a small guy. And he's also got the Deion Sanders stamp of approval, and recently, when Deion likes a guy, he's good. Crabtree, then Dez, now Devine.

He's very fast, very elusive, and I would absolutely love him in a Steelers uniform to complement Mendenhall and Dwyer.






I think part of his draft stock depends on how well dexter Mccluster does for the chiefs

K Train
08-03-2010, 03:27 PM
Where are you getting this from?? Devine is a small-boned athlete who's just about maxed out the amount of muscle his petite frame can carry. His smallish legs are what's holding him back from putting on weight in his lower body.

If you want to compare his physique to someone in the NFL, IMO he most closely resembles Reggie Bush, and Bush is significantly bigger than Devine, ( height and weight).

Even if it's not pure muscle, Devine needs to bulk up his physique to about 200# to survive the hits in the NFL. Maybe that's why he didn't come out last year, to put on some more weight.
his thighs are gigantic....he squats in the 500 range too, thats ridiculous for a guy his size. he runs with a ton of power, he definitely doesnt have chicken legs like bush or mcfadden

nepg
08-04-2010, 06:09 PM
The only position where weight has a direct impact on durability, from what I've seen, is QB. Devine's form is so close to perfect, I just don't see his size as that big of an issue...especially considering his obvious strength.

kwilk103
08-04-2010, 06:33 PM
this years strength/conditioning numbers (from media guide)

broad jump 10'8.5 (1st on team)
vert jump 38.5" (1st)
pro shuttle 4.01 (6th)
squat 500lb (13th)
bench 445lb (7th)
225lb bench--24x (14th)

http://i36.tinypic.com/fdwqbl.jpg

K Train
08-04-2010, 06:38 PM
445 max bench is insanity for a 5-8 180 pound RB

actually all of those numbers are insane for him

Mr. Goosemahn
08-04-2010, 06:39 PM
The only position where weight has a direct impact on durability, from what I've seen, is QB. Devine's form is so close to perfect, I just don't see his size as that big of an issue...especially considering his obvious strength.

I think Darren Sproles and Chris Johnson show that size isn't really a problem for a RB.

Those guys have missed three games in their careers combined (according to Yahoo!) and constantly perform at a high level, in their due roles, of course.

I've seen both take very tough hits, but it doesn't rattle them.

QB's, on the other hand, exactly what you said. Size does matter for them.

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And that was a hit from one of, if not the, lightest member of the defense (on the field).

FUNBUNCHER
08-04-2010, 07:15 PM
his thighs are gigantic....he squats in the 500 range too, thats ridiculous for a guy his size. he runs with a ton of power, he definitely doesnt have chicken legs like bush or mcfadden


MJD has massive thighs for a small RB

http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/22/2254/26JZD00Z.jpg

Noel Divine DOES NOT

http://thesignalcaller.com/images/NoelTDPitt.jpg

K Train
08-05-2010, 07:36 AM
MJD has massive thighs for a small RB

http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/22/2254/26JZD00Z.jpg

Noel Divine DOES NOT

http://thesignalcaller.com/images/NoelTDPitt.jpg

MJD isnt a tiny RB, the guy is short but hes all around beefy. Ive played against Devine in HS and hes not an easy bring down by any means and its not just his ridiculous speed, its his leg power. that picture doesnt do him justice of how powerful his legs actually are

FUNBUNCHER
08-05-2010, 10:19 AM
Power and size are two different things. I agree, pound for pound, Devine is arguably one of the strongest players in college football.
But he's still a 178 -180# RB with thinnish thighs for the position.
I still question how many carries he can take between the tackles in the NFL because of his general lack of bulk.

Anyway,K-Train, I was just responding to your posts that Devine had the legs of a '250 pounder' and that his thighs were ' massive'.
I thought I was missing something.

K Train
08-05-2010, 10:25 AM
yeah i guess i said that wrong...they are not the size of a 250 pound back, but they are definitely as strong as one. and by no means am i saying hes an every down back but there has been a ton of guys who didnt look the part and managed to do it anyway....westbrook, CJ, MJD...ect to name a few recent ones. Hes got unreal power, fantastic speed and elite vision....he will find a home in the league somewhere

Paranoidmoonduck
08-05-2010, 12:01 PM
I think comparing Devine to Jones-Drew is pretty unfair. MJD is a power runner, Devine isn't. Hell, Devine isn't even as inclined towards power rushing as Darren Sproles was in college. It's kinda pointless to knock a guy on lack of power if he obviously won't be attempting to use power at the NFL level.

Devine has crazy change-of-direction skills and is fast enough and has a low enough center of gravity to run through arm tackles. He probably won't be a 300+ carry tailback, but I think he'd be an awesome 200+ carry runner.

zachsaints52
08-05-2010, 03:55 PM
Devine will be a good Pro, because he can I think play in any type of offense, and be decent at it atleast. I think 2nd round is pretty much the agreement on him.

hockey619
08-05-2010, 05:00 PM
Power and size are two different things. I agree, pound for pound, Devine is arguably one of the strongest players in college football.


Pound for pound, hes one of the strongest people on the planet. seriously

its very rare for anyone at 180ish pounds to be able to bench well over twice their body weight, hell even a lot of extraordinarily strong people people cant bench over twice theyre body weight.

Not saying hes on the path to stardom, i really wanna see him succeed hes fun to watch, but something about his running style just doesnt seem to translate well, not sure what it is. still think he can at least be darren sproles in the pros

703SKINS202
08-05-2010, 10:20 PM
He can take on more carries than people will give him credit for. Gonna be a steal for someone in the second round.

Cicero
08-06-2010, 04:04 AM
this years strength/conditioning numbers (from media guide)

broad jump 10'8.5 (1st on team)
vert jump 38.5" (1st)
pro shuttle 4.01 (6th)
squat 500lb (13th)
bench 445lb (7th)
225lb bench--24x (14th)

http://i36.tinypic.com/fdwqbl.jpg
Damn those weak legs. *rolls eyes*

DiG
08-06-2010, 09:28 AM
I think part of his draft stock depends on how well dexter Mccluster does for the chiefs

noel is faster, stronger, and way way more productive than mccluster ever was.

nepg
08-06-2010, 11:22 AM
I just don't see the argument against him. He does everything well, he's strong, has insane vision, almost perfect form running the ball, changes direction amazingly well, and has become a solid receiver. I want him in New England because he'd dominate in that offense.

Shahin
08-06-2010, 08:44 PM
I can't think of a team that wouldn't want Noel Devine.



Okay, that's a lie, but you can't count teams like Carolina with a statement like that.

nepg
08-07-2010, 10:07 AM
I can't think of a team that wouldn't want Noel Devine.



Okay, that's a lie, but you can't count teams like Carolina with a statement like that.

This is true.

Mr.Regular
08-12-2010, 01:17 AM
Im late to this thread, but I just had to add to the size argument.
Lots is made about Devine's size. Is it important? Ya, but it's not that big of a deal breaker. He's built well, is crazy strong, and we all know he has top speed. Could his tiny size translate to not being able to take a consistent NFL pounding? Probably... but no one is expecting him to come in and be a workhorse. He should be a change of pace/decoy/open field type of threat.

Anyways, I think the main thing that could hold him back is there's possibly an even better small back coming out this class.
Say hello to Jacquizz. He's a stud. And speaking of giant thighs on a small frame, check out these bad boys.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1114/ncf_g_rodgers_300.jpg
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/democratherald.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/9/de/43e/9de43e9e-9a67-11de-a3a5-001cc4c002e0.image.jpg
Devine is an interesting prospect, but Rodgers' is the better one IMO. He has the small back elusiveness of Devine, but I can see him pounding it out through the tackles and racking up the carries too.

FUNBUNCHER
08-12-2010, 02:14 AM
If this makes sense, I think Rogers has a naturally bigger frame than Devine.

His thighs don't dwarf Devine's but they do appear a little thicker/sturdier IMO. Jacquizz is a really interesting prospect in that I think he's more a traditional RB, not just a 3rd down specialist.

bce
08-12-2010, 07:29 PM
I like devine, I think hes a guy who can make some big plays for you, im not sold on whether he can be a #1, but in todays league, having a strong #2 is almost as important as having a strong #1. Put him on your team let him make plays.

GoRavens
08-15-2010, 11:48 AM
Rodgers > Devine.
Hate to say it

cajuncorey
08-15-2010, 12:08 PM
Im late to this thread, but I just had to add to the size argument.
Lots is made about Devine's size. Is it important? Ya, but it's not that big of a deal breaker. He's built well, is crazy strong, and we all know he has top speed. Could his tiny size translate to not being able to take a consistent NFL pounding? Probably... but no one is expecting him to come in and be a workhorse. He should be a change of pace/decoy/open field type of threat.

Anyways, I think the main thing that could hold him back is there's possibly an even better small back coming out this class.
Say hello to Jacquizz. He's a stud. And speaking of giant thighs on a small frame, check out these bad boys.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1114/ncf_g_rodgers_300.jpg
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/democratherald.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/9/de/43e/9de43e9e-9a67-11de-a3a5-001cc4c002e0.image.jpg
Devine is an interesting prospect, but Rodgers' is the better one IMO. He has the small back elusiveness of Devine, but I can see him pounding it out through the tackles and racking up the carries too.

And the award for least heterosexual comment made today goes to...

cajuncorey
08-15-2010, 12:09 PM
devine is pretty unreal but im quite disappointed and pleased at the same time that i can power clean more than him :)

703SKINS202
08-26-2010, 06:50 PM
This is a video by a guy named Dougity Doug who does SICK videos for WV sports. This is his latest, Noel's complete junior highlights in HD. Some amazing runs, can't wait for Sep.4
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Saints-Tigers
08-26-2010, 06:56 PM
Jacquizz Rodgers was powering through Taylor Mays and Rey Maualuga like butter when he was a youngin.

SenorGato
08-29-2010, 01:57 AM
Best short back since MJD...even better playmaker than Rice IMO...as hard as that may be to say/hear.

San Diego Chicken
08-29-2010, 06:24 AM
I love the kid. He had me when I first saw his sophomore high school highlights.

He's overcome quite a bit in his life, but he's always produced. He barely even made it in to WVU, but now it looks like he's going to come out with a college degree. His balance is special and his moves and quickness are just off the charts. Noel just seems like the type of hard-working kid that is going to succeed no matter what cards he's dealt. He's one of my favorites.

Vox Populi
09-01-2010, 06:39 PM
"Carrying the load" is such a ******** and pointless concept in today's NFL as far as I'm concerned. Only 3 backs averaged more than 20 carries per game last year. Only 12 averaged more than 15 carries per game. Devine will be able to handle an NFL sized workload perfectly fine as long as teams don't just run him into the ground and ask him to pound the rock 20 times a game... unless he can avoid big contact and collisions like CJ does.