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Mr. Goosemahn
07-31-2010, 12:04 PM
To see previously discussed prospects, click here.
Jake Locker - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2230943
Cameron Heyward - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41890
Marvin Austin - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41892
Adrian Clayborn - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41919
Anthony Castonzo - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41929
Greg Romeus - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41940
Von Miller - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2238637
Mike Pouncey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41959
Allen Bailey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41971
Mark Herzlich - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41993
Prince Amukamara - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42000
Gabe Carimi - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42014
Patrick Peterson - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42030
Terrance Toliver - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42042
Noel Devine - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42053


http://www.theclemsoninsider.com/files/repos/mcdaniel_ponder_main.jpg

S DeAndre McDaniel, Senior
6'0 - 212 lbs. - Senior

Highlights!
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Good safety, doesn't necesarily have the elite mesasureables of other previous prospects, but he's still good. Don't really know much more about him, other than the fact the he injured Christian Ponder.

bce
07-31-2010, 12:25 PM
Didnt he beat up his girlfriend or something? I dont know if thats true, but he did something somewhat heinous in the eyes of fans. Mid level physical skills, off field issues, the fact that every time i saw their defense it was swiss cheese.

Im going to pass but thanks.

CLong4Heisman
07-31-2010, 01:02 PM
8 ints so he has elite ball skills. I don't think he got in trouble for hitting her but I may be wrong on that

bce
07-31-2010, 01:08 PM
As you know allegations are all that matter these days. Just ask #7.

I question elite ball skills. Is he making wr picks out there or is he just pulling an earl thomas and getting balls thrown right into his hands.

bce
07-31-2010, 01:10 PM
The two tapes above are bad balls thrown right into his hands.

CLong4Heisman
07-31-2010, 01:10 PM
As you know allegations are all that matter these days. Just ask #7.

I question elite ball skills. Is he making wr picks out there or is he just pulling an earl thomas and getting balls thrown right into his hands.

I don't think Thomas had a lot of picks thrown too him. One of best traits is that he has a great gift for reading the QBs eyes and then jumping the routes. It's what a ballhawk does.

bce
07-31-2010, 01:12 PM
No earl thomas defnitely had a lot of picks off bad passes that were thrown right to him.

CLong4Heisman
07-31-2010, 01:21 PM
I wouldn't say a lot but yes he did have a couple that were poorly thrown balls but who doesn't get a lot of picks from balls thrown at them. I'm sure every safety to ever play has had a pass thrown at them that they picked off.

prock
07-31-2010, 01:49 PM
As you know allegations are all that matter these days. Just ask #7.

I question elite ball skills. Is he making wr picks out there or is he just pulling an earl thomas and getting balls thrown right into his hands.

#7 is John Elway, not Big Ben.

bce
07-31-2010, 01:50 PM
Point being i dont consider when a lot of bad passes are thrown into your hands that you display "elite ball skills". Like this deandre mcdaniel highlight reel of two passes being thrown right into his hands. That takes him from 8 to 6 ints as i see it. To display "elite ball skills" i like to see at least 5 or so that display wr hands and i also like to see some specialty once the ball is in your hands, maybe elude some guys, break a few tackles, not just take a mistimed poorly thrown out thrown right in your hands on a straight line to the end zone.

prock
07-31-2010, 01:53 PM
Point being i dont consider when a lot of bad passes are thrown into your hands that you display "elite ball skills". Like this deandre mcdaniel highlight reel of two passes being thrown right into his hands. That takes him from 8 to 6 ints as i see it. To display "elite ball skills" i like to see at least 5 or so that display wr hands and i also like to see some specialty once the ball is in your hands, maybe elude some guys, break a few tackles, not just take a mistimed poorly thrown out thrown right in your hands on a straight line to the end zone.

Does Ike Taylor have elite ball skills? Why do you think he is the top cover corner in the league?

CLong4Heisman
07-31-2010, 01:58 PM
He runs a 4.2 duhhhhhhhh. That's why Fabian Washington has made 5 all pro teams

bce
07-31-2010, 02:24 PM
Does Ike Taylor have elite ball skills? Why do you think he is the top cover corner in the league?

No he cant catch a lick, which is why hes not an all time great. As far as blanketing, hes been the best the last 5 years, the all time greats do both.

Big Bird
08-01-2010, 12:22 PM
No he cant catch a lick, which is why hes not an all time great. As far as blanketing, hes been the best the last 5 years, the all time greats do both.
Um, he's allowed 9 Touchdown Receptions in the last 3 seasons, and the lowest QB Rating When Throwing at him in the past 3 years is a 81.1. Doesn't really sound like he is blanketing many...

MiWolves
08-01-2010, 01:50 PM
In the Patrick Peterson thread, you said he didn't have good ball skills because he had 3 ints? Now your saying Deandre McDaniels isn't a ball hawk because he intercept passes? HYPOCRISPY MUCH?

BamaFalcon59
08-01-2010, 02:38 PM
Very good player.

Rich man's William Moore IMO.

bce
08-01-2010, 06:05 PM
In the Patrick Peterson thread, you said he didn't have good ball skills because he had 3 ints? Now your saying Deandre McDaniels isn't a ball hawk because he intercept passes? HYPOCRISPY MUCH?

Are bad balls being thrown right into deandre mcdaniels hands or is he making wr catches? Is he covering the best wrs in the nfl on a weekly basis?

TACKLE
08-01-2010, 06:25 PM
DeAndre is pretty clearly the best safety in the draft at this point.


The first clip and again at 2:42 are great displays of his range and ball skills.

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BaLLiN
08-01-2010, 06:29 PM
Very good player.

Rich man's William Moore IMO.

Junior season or Senior season William Moore?

bce
08-01-2010, 06:37 PM
That was a poorly thrown ball by an option qb right into his hands. there is nothing special about that play.

FUNBUNCHER
08-02-2010, 12:08 AM
I never shave a prospect's INTs, especially if they play in a BCS conference. There's something to be said for a safety who's in the right place at the right time to even be in a position to catch a bad pass.

Bad balls are thrown by college QBs in every game on Saturdays, yet very few DBs end the year with 8 picks.

He's doing something out there, whether you wanna call it 'ball skills' or instincts for defending the passing game, McDaniel is putting himself in a position to catch the football.

On those 'bad passes' I bet the QB never saw McDaniel before he threw the ball because at the time, McDaniel probably wasn't even in the frame.

Some safeties have a talent for baiting QBs into thinking a WR is wide open when actually that safety dragging off seven yards has him blanketed.

BamaFalcon59
08-02-2010, 09:49 AM
Junior season or Senior season William Moore?

About what William Moore was as a junior, but a bit better in coverage IMO.

I never thought Moore was a top five pick though, unlike what some draft publications were saying.

prock
08-02-2010, 10:45 AM
I never shave a prospect's INTs, especially if they play in a BCS conference. There's something to be said for a safety who's in the right place at the right time to even be in a position to catch a bad pass.

Bad balls are thrown by college QBs in every game on Saturdays, yet very few DBs end the year with 8 picks.

He's doing something out there, whether you wanna call it 'ball skills' or instincts for defending the passing game, McDaniel is putting himself in a position to catch the football.

On those 'bad passes' I bet the QB never saw McDaniel before he threw the ball because at the time, McDaniel probably wasn't even in the frame.

Some safeties have a talent for baiting QBs into thinking a WR is wide open when actually that safety dragging off seven yards has him blanketed.

But you can't measure that and it is just opinion not opinion based on fact!!!

I actually agree with you, good write up. He doesn't have the measurables you look for in a high first round safety, but I think he will be a solid late first pick based on what you eluded to, his instincts and knack for making plays. He definitely needs to keep improving this year to make himself worthy of that pick.

bce
08-02-2010, 05:31 PM
I never shave a prospect's INTs, especially if they play in a BCS conference. There's something to be said for a safety who's in the right place at the right time to even be in a position to catch a bad pass.

Bad balls are thrown by college QBs in every game on Saturdays, yet very few DBs end the year with 8 picks.

He's doing something out there, whether you wanna call it 'ball skills' or instincts for defending the passing game, McDaniel is putting himself in a position to catch the football.

On those 'bad passes' I bet the QB never saw McDaniel before he threw the ball because at the time, McDaniel probably wasn't even in the frame.

Some safeties have a talent for baiting QBs into thinking a WR is wide open when actually that safety dragging off seven yards has him blanketed.



The problem with those kinds of picks, in general, in the nfl they dont happen much. Elite qbs dont often throw bad balls into awaiting arms, you generally have to make a play to pick them off, generally. So when i see bad balls thrown into someones hands, i see a play that is in all likelihood not going to happen much in the nfl, if youre getting all your picks that way, chances are you wont get many in the nfl.

FUNBUNCHER
08-02-2010, 06:06 PM
bce, how many picks does Ed Reed make simply because he's right there to pluck the football after the corner made a breakup against a WR?

Some guys are just always in a position to consistently pick the ball, whether it bounces off another player's helmet or it's a tipped pass. I guess you could call it a 'feel' as a safety for the passing game.

No DB gets all their picks off bad throws, but they still count as INTs. Every pick McDaniel had in 2009 wasn't off a bad throw.

8 picks is special, period.

And you know every starting QB in the NFL isn't 'elite'.

bce
08-02-2010, 06:13 PM
What makes ed reed special, in my opinion, is not the picks that he makes. Its what he does after he picks the ball off.And to call deandre mcdaniel ed reed, i mean thats a reach. I agree, every nfl db gets gifts. But the guys who get a lot of picks consistently generally are making plays. I agree not every nfl qb is elite, but what you do against the elites is the whats important. Those are the guys you have to beat to get it done at the highest level.

Plus i dont like the idea of bringing an alleged domestic abuser into the fold, espeically with a high pick.

If he comes back with 8 picks again this year, and i see some special ones, i may cahnge my tune slightly, but its like eric berrry going from 7 picks to 2 picks. In all likelihood, he had a lot of gifts with 7 picks, and not likely to repeat it.

CLong4Heisman
08-02-2010, 06:16 PM
Same thing with Darren Sharper. I also thing that if a guy is going up and making WR catches he's not going to be able to return them because usually both guys end up on the ground and once your knee touches the ground play is over.

prock
08-02-2010, 07:45 PM
Plus i dont like the idea of bringing an alleged domestic abuser into the fold, espeically with a high pick.



I like this out of a Steelers fan.

DeathbyStat
08-03-2010, 10:53 AM
great ball hawk, Is this guy physical?

BamaFalcon59
08-03-2010, 01:52 PM
great ball hawk, Is this guy physical?

Former linebacker.

DeathbyStat
08-03-2010, 02:24 PM
Former linebacker.

Thanks for the answer