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Mr. Goosemahn
08-03-2010, 09:27 AM
To see previously discussed prospects, click here.
Jake Locker - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2230943
Cameron Heyward - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41890
Marvin Austin - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41892
Adrian Clayborn - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41919
Anthony Castonzo - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41929
Greg Romeus - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41940
Von Miller - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2238637
Mike Pouncey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41959
Allen Bailey - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41971
Mark Herzlich - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41993
Prince Amukamara - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42000
Gabe Carimi - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42014
Patrick Peterson - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42030
Terrance Toliver - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42042
Noel Devine - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42053
DeAndre McDaniel - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42063
A. J. Green - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42070
Jonathan Baldwin - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42075


http://static.blogcritics.org/09/09/05/112381/floyd.jpg

WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
6'3 - 220 lbs. - Junior

Highlights!

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The third of the four supremely talented WR's. He too, is a monster. Big and just as skilled as the best, his only major hindrance is his inability to remain healthy. I don't know why, but he reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald. And that could be setting the bar high for Floyd, but I believe he could be just as talented as Fitzy is.

princefielder28
08-03-2010, 09:36 AM
I love Floyd's ability but the injury bug is his best friend and that forces me to drop him in my rankings and if I were running a team I would really question investing a first rounder and a bunch of money on him.

CLong4Heisman
08-03-2010, 10:47 AM
I need to see him play a full season before I can say top 20 pick. Once he does the sky is the limit

DeathbyStat
08-03-2010, 10:48 AM
I think speed and separation might be a problem I think he will be a solid number 2 wr but not sure if he will live up to being a first round pick

BamaFalcon59
08-03-2010, 10:49 AM
I've been throwing out the Fitz comparison since his freshman year.

Amazing ball skills and balance, and also a very good athlete.

TACKLE
08-03-2010, 11:23 AM
A healthy Michael Floyd is the best WR in this draft. He's second to no one when it comes to going up and getting the ball. He has great size and terrific hands. He's strong, physical and can do a lot of damage after the catch. I am really impressive with how he uses his body to get separation in his routes. He's also a lot faster and more explosive than some give him credit for. Again, he NEEDS to stay healthy. But in the six games he was healthy, he averaged 126 ypg, 1.3 TD's and 18 ypc. He showed last season that he's capable of being the most dominant WR in CFB.


These highlights are ridiculous. Each TD is more impressive than the next. I know Nevada's pass D isn't good at all but these TD's display the kind of speed and athleticism Floyd has.

l3igd-yBUIQ

georgiafan
08-03-2010, 11:29 AM
wrong thread my bad

K Train
08-03-2010, 12:45 PM
i have some serious man love for him

BeerBaron
08-03-2010, 12:54 PM
The injury concerns scare me a bit, and he'll also be working in a new system breaking in a new QB this year too....I don't know if he'll have the opportunity to shine and move up ahead of some of the other WR studs.

Top half of the first round I'd say right now, with potential to move up.

FUNBUNCHER
08-03-2010, 12:55 PM
Come on, look who Michael Floyd is playing against. He's a great prospect, and although I question his speed, Clausen still had a difficult time hitting him in stride deep because apparently Floyd has some wheels, still what AJ Green and Julio Jones in the SEC is just more impressive than Floyd beasting Nevada, Navy and UConn.

Floyd isn't playing against many safeties and corners who will be earning paychecks on Sundays.

Mike has to stay healthy all season and test off the charts to jump Baldwin, Green and Jones, not necessarily in that order.

IMO 2010 season stats and their 40 times will be what ultimately determines how these guys go in the draft.
I don't see AJ Green going later than the 2nd WR off the board in any scenario, the others could go from the 1st receiver picked to the fourth.

BeerBaron
08-03-2010, 12:57 PM
I don't see AJ Green going later than the 2nd WR off the board in any scenario, the others could go from the 1st receiver picked to the fourth.

Right now, I've got it:

1.) Green
2.) Baldwin
3a.) Jones
3b.) Floyd
...and a gap (though not a real huge one) til everyone else.

Mr. Offseason
08-03-2010, 12:58 PM
He is incredibly talented and I agree, if he says healthy he is probably the best WR in this draft class. I am really interested to see how he does with Crist throwing to him instead of Clausen, but if he stays healthy he will still get his numbers and probably make some crazy catches. That catch against Nevada where the ball was VERY underthrown by Clausen and he had to slow all the way down looking over his shoulder, go up, catch the ball and then somehow stayed up and scored was insane.

wicket
08-03-2010, 01:28 PM
if he can stay healthy the entire season he should be a high enough pick but im not sure if he can

A Perfect Score
08-03-2010, 01:49 PM
If he stays healthy, hes my #1 WR in the draft. I think he is right up there with AJ Green, and he's clearly ahead of Baldwin and Jones at this point. I think hes a potential top 10 pick come next April. Hes an extremely physical WR, something that Green and Baldwin really aren't. I love the physicality, the route running skills, and the RAC ability. Hes alot more explosive then he gets credit for and I think if he stays healthy and runs anything in the 4.4's you are looking at a top 15 pick.

Texas Homer
08-03-2010, 02:29 PM
I like Floyd a lot. I hope he has a good season.

Big Bird
08-03-2010, 02:33 PM
He is better then A.J. Green in my opinion. He is a ridiculous athlete with much better speed then given credit for. Very similar to Calvin Johnson. Refined route runner too who knows how to separate. The quickness he possesses is insane, specifically for that size.

K Train
08-03-2010, 02:37 PM
as much as i love this WR class, which is the best ive ever seen...the name calvin johnson is being thrown out wayyyy too much in comparisons. Calvin was in a class of his own as a prospect...these guys are all tremendous prospects, but they are not calvin johnson

A Perfect Score
08-03-2010, 02:37 PM
I think hes more Brandon Marshall or Terrell Owens then Calvin Johnson, but I agree with you about his ability to separate. Its uncanny for a man his size.

BeerBaron
08-03-2010, 02:39 PM
as much as i love this WR class, which is the best ive ever seen...the name calvin johnson is being thrown out wayyyy too much in comparisons. Calvin was in a class of his own as a prospect...these guys are all tremendous prospects, but they are not calvin johnson

Agreed 100%. Calvin is a once an NFL-generation type talent. Size, speed, quickness, hands.....crazy.

The guys in this class are very, very good and any one of the top 4 could have been the best WR in either of the last 2 drafts imo, but none are truly Calvin level.

Babylon
08-03-2010, 02:58 PM
as much as i love this WR class, which is the best ive ever seen...the name calvin johnson is being thrown out wayyyy too much in comparisons. Calvin was in a class of his own as a prospect...these guys are all tremendous prospects, but they are not calvin johnson

Ironically these guys seem to put their teams in the win column and Johnson has really yet to do that ( i know he played without a QB at GaTech). None of these guys are going to touch Johnson's speed but may be better receivers down the road.

K Train
08-03-2010, 03:15 PM
as a prospect though? calvin is damn near untouchable to me in that regard (and i do think hes going be great for a long time in the NFL) but i dont get what you mean about the win column....ND and georgia? Bama went undefeated but it was hardly because of julio and pitt isnt exactly riding baldwin to championships

Big Bird
08-03-2010, 03:17 PM
as much as i love this WR class, which is the best ive ever seen...the name calvin johnson is being thrown out wayyyy too much in comparisons. Calvin was in a class of his own as a prospect...these guys are all tremendous prospects, but they are not calvin johnson
I said he is similar to Calvin Johnson. I didn't say "he's the next Calvin Johnson." Floyd's skill-set is very similar. Big Wide Receivers with uncanny quickness and speed for their size with excellent ball skills.

K Train
08-03-2010, 03:20 PM
meh i wasnt really calling you out over that, im just saying in general the name is being tossed around alot and i dont think any of them deserve that comparison, especially with baldwin

Mr. Goosemahn
08-03-2010, 03:33 PM
as a prospect though? calvin is damn near untouchable to me in that regard

Yup. Calvin Johnson was a physical specimen who also happened to have elite WR skills.

Just take a look at his combine numbers, look at how ridiculous they are:

6'5 - 239 lbs - 4.35 40 Yard Dash - 42.5 Vertical - 11'07 Broad Jump

These new prospects are amazing, but yeah, Calvin was in a league of his own. Someone on these boards once said Calvin was everything you want from a receiver but somehow never managed to get. Every time a great WR comes along, there's always a knock.

What if Randy Moss didn't have attitude problems?
What if TO didn't have attitude problems?
What if Larry Fitzgerald had elite speed?
What if Braylon Edwards had great hands?
What if Steve Smith was taller?
What if Chad Ochocinco was more physical?
What if Anquan Boldin was better at making spectacular catches?

That's Calvin Johnson. Every single one of those questions is an attribute that Megatron has. He's put up amazing numbers playing with mediocre QB's and a rookie. Imagine if he had Peyton or Brady or Brees or Rodgers. Imagine if he had another elite WR beside him. He'd annihilate everything in his path.

No, these new prospects are great, but it could be a long, long time until we get WR prospect like Calvin. He's the poster boy of elite prospects.

And I'll leave you with this. Just watch it. Un*******believable.

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BeerBaron
08-03-2010, 03:35 PM
Calvin would have had the stats too if his QB wasn't Reggie Ball.....what a godawful pass.

Could you imagine what he would have done if you put him a TT like Crabtree or OKst like Bryant? Calvin vs. Big 12 defenses in pass whacky offense. Damn.

bce
08-03-2010, 05:48 PM
Is he hurt again? I thought i heard that. Can anyone verify?

FUNBUNCHER
08-03-2010, 07:12 PM
If he stays healthy, hes my #1 WR in the draft. I think he is right up there with AJ Green, and he's clearly ahead of Baldwin and Jones at this point. I think hes a potential top 10 pick come next April. Hes an extremely physical WR, something that Green and Baldwin really aren't. I love the physicality, the route running skills, and the RAC ability. Hes alot more explosive then he gets credit for and I think if he stays healthy and runs anything in the 4.4's you are looking at a top 15 pick.

He may be as physical as Jonathan Baldwin, but there's no way I see a real argument that he' s MORE physical.

Baldwin made so many catches last season in a crowd, and it was like he was brushing away gnats as he went up for the football.

And really, until Calvin Johnson blows up in the pros, I don't see a problem with comparing a guy like Baldwin who's going to measure approximately 6'6, 228-230#, with the possibility of running a sub 4.45.
Julio Jones is another prospect who's going to potentially have measurables similar to CJ.
Right now, Megatron is still a better pro prospect than he is a pro.

bce
08-03-2010, 07:29 PM
so is he hurt again or no?

A Perfect Score
08-03-2010, 08:47 PM
He may be as physical as Jonathan Baldwin, but there's no way I see a real argument that he' s MORE physical.

Baldwin made so many catches last season in a crowd, and it was like he was brushing away gnats as he went up for the football.

And really, until Calvin Johnson blows up in the pros, I don't see a problem with comparing a guy like Baldwin who's going to measure approximately 6'6, 228-230#, with the possibility of running a sub 4.45.
Julio Jones is another prospect who's going to potentially have measurables similar to CJ.
Right now, Megatron is still a better pro prospect than he is a pro.

Floyd is much more physical then Baldwin. Hes a better and more refined blocker, he has much better body control (look at how he positions his body in front of the DB on that first TD pass against Nevada, its beautiful), and he consistently gets off the jam and not just by running past people like Baldwin does, which he wont be able to do in the pros. Floyd is a big, angry receiver.

FUNBUNCHER
08-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Baldwin CAN'T be jammed at the line in college. And no DB(s) that I've seen can knock him off his route or outmuscle him for the football once it's in the air.

Then there's that little problem DBs have tackling him one on one.

This is what I mean when I say a WR is 'physical', not just how good a blocker a wideout is

Floyd has better body control than Baldwin? We must be watching different players.

Again, I'll give you they might be similar, but really, you need to punch up some of JB's clips and notice that his ability to adjust to a ball in the air is one of his biggest assets.

CLong4Heisman
08-04-2010, 08:11 AM
so is he hurt again or no?

Not that I'm aware of.

bce
08-04-2010, 07:43 PM
Floyd is much more physical then Baldwin. Hes a better and more refined blocker, he has much better body control (look at how he positions his body in front of the DB on that first TD pass against Nevada, its beautiful), and he consistently gets off the jam and not just by running past people like Baldwin does, which he wont be able to do in the pros. Floyd is a big, angry receiver.

Baldwin is a bigger angrier receiver, and has better body control, makes bigger plays and better cathces. Plus hes not a soft serve, injury prone type. Bank on it.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 07:48 PM
Baldwin is a bigger angrier receiver, and has better body control, makes bigger plays and better cathces. Plus hes not a soft serve, injury prone type. Bank on it.


You keep saying this.
I keep calling you out on it.
You keep ignoring me. I try to do the same to you. its hard when your so hypocritical sometimes

Quantify 'better catches' for me. how do you possibly compare that to someone else? Its simply opinion not based on fact judging by what youve said in the past.

P-L
08-04-2010, 07:51 PM
I haven't seen any player with better body control than Michael Floyd since Larry Fitzgerald, and that includes Jonathan Baldwin. Floyd doesn't have elite speed, but he has enough to be a #1 receiver in the NFL. Other than that, his only weakness is concerns over durability. He's my favorite receiver in this class and just barely behind A.J. Green in my draft rankings.

bce
08-04-2010, 08:03 PM
Wow thats high praise. I would like to know where/how you got that information. Best body control in the last 7 years of any wr coming out. I dont know how a slow injury prone wr can be the #1 wr in the class or your favorite wr, and if so how is he below aj green in your rankings. Unless your just following whats been put out there. It just doesnt make any sense that michael floyd is your favorite wr, yet hes behind aj green.

And hockey donmt waste my time with your circles and question and answers for questions. Youre like that annoying little gnat that continually annoys by dissecting every syllable to find a justification for your arguments, which are based on nothing but mel kipers big board. But youre not as entertaining as prock so dont try to be prock because you could never be prock.

Better catches are better catches. Catches over the middle in traffic, catches over the top of guys, diving catches, catches with long runs after them, over the shoulder catches, you name it, baldwin does it.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 08:14 PM
And hockey donmt waste my time with your circles and question and answers for questions. Youre like that annoying little gnat that continually annoys by dissecting every syllable to find a justification for your arguments, which are based on nothing but mel kipers big board. But youre not as entertaining as prock so dont try to be prock because you could never be prock.


is this your way of giving up?

Because it sure looks like it. just run away like the others bce, the others who stood before me and ran back to hide after i proved them wrong.

how can they be quantified? youre saying more yards after catch? because there are no numbers out there and everything ive seen of baldwin hes been tackled very soon after the catch.

basically: better catch is opinion. cant be quantified or compared in a objectifiable and reasonable manner. its opinion not based on fact.

you also said baldwin is an angrier reciever than floyd. how do you know that exactly? do you have a radar gun like device to measure how pissed he is? cause he doesnt break a lot of tackles and seems to go down fairly easily. it also appears to be opinion not based on fact.

bce
08-04-2010, 08:20 PM
Your just an annoying gnat. I gave you the answer, now im sure you'll find another nonsense question, of course you did. In some vain attempt because i embarrassed you at some point and you feel you need to get back with question after question about nothing. Say michael floyd is better and why. And ill be sure to tell you why hes not, which in turn, you'll be sure to ask me 50 ridiculous questions to justify the fact that you are way out of your league stepping to me, and all you have to resort to is trying to punch procedural holes that make absolutely no difference in the point contested

hockey619
08-04-2010, 08:27 PM
Your just an annoying gnat. I gave you the answer, now im sure you'll find another nonsense question, of course you did. In some vain attempt because i embarrassed you at some point and you feel you need to get back with question after question about nothing. Say michael floyd is better and why. And ill be sure to tell you why hes not, which in turn, you'll be sure to ask me 50 ridiculous questions to justify the fact that you are way out of your league stepping to me, and all you have to resort to is trying to punch procedural holes that make absolutely no difference in the point contested


ah so youre giving up, got it.
i know ive won when you resort to name calling and making fun, as its clear you have no response to the fact that i clearly proved you incorrect.

bce
08-04-2010, 08:33 PM
I answered the question. Ive said why baldwin is better. You have yet to say why floyd is better. because thats not what you do. Stop chasing me. Youre wasting your time, and youre not bringing any information, youre just chasing me in a feeble attempt to discredit. I got the best of it, because im just simply much more knowledgeable and much more gifted and much more experienced than you are in this game. Youre just chasing me around. I never see you post anything or any information other than in attempted rebuttal to me. You bring nothing to the game, you bring no knowledge to the game, you waste your time chasing me in some vain attempt at discrediting because i discredited your boy jake locker. I know the truth hurts. You want to say you got the better of me because i dont have a jonathan baldwin temper meter. Go on with your bad self. But it doesnt change anything. You have no knowledge of anything other than love of jake locker and anything else mel kiper feeds you. Give up your obsession with me. because your posts prove thats all it is.

A Perfect Score
08-04-2010, 08:39 PM
Baldwin is better because "he makes better catches". Up until last year, the only route Baldwin knew how to run was a fly. Thats because he has no technique, he doesn't run over the middle, and he relies purely on his triangle numbers to be a successful college WR. Now that isn't saying he doesn't have potential, but as of right now, hes incredibly raw and needs to refine large aspects of his game for a successful pro career.

As far as Floyd is concerned, his body control is unparralled in this class. He uses his size to shield the ball from DBs frequently, and hes a big, physical receiver who has shown an ability to run all kinds of routes, not just deep ones. He isnt "soft serve", hes been injured. It isnt like they are injuries you could just play through. Was Adrian Peterson "soft serve" at Oklahoma even though he was consistently banged up? Your argument is stupid and irrelevant, like most of what you say.

As for your argument with hockey, you have yet to answer anyone's questions in any thread. You are a moron. Please go away.

bce
08-04-2010, 08:43 PM
Watch the video. is all he is running are fly patterns?

Youre just another one who i embarrassed now you feel the need to chase me around in feeble attempt to discredit, saying i dont answer your 50 ridiculous questions.

Just keep on reading mel kipers big board and then bringing on here to make it actaully look like you know something when you dont, other than whats fed to you.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 08:45 PM
I answered the question. Ive said why baldwin is better. You have yet to say why floyd is better. because thats not what you do. Stop chasing me. Youre wasting your time, and youre not bringing any information, youre just chasing me in a feeble attempt to discredit. I got the best of it, because im just simply much more knowledgeable and much more gifted and much more experienced than you are in this game. Youre just chasing me around. I never see you post anything or any information other than in attempted rebuttal to me. You bring nothing to the game, you bring no knowledge to the game, you waste your time chasing me in some vain attempt at discrediting because i discredited your boy jake locker. I know the truth hurts. You want to say you got the better of me because i dont have a jonathan baldwin temper meter. Go on with your bad self. But it doesnt change anything. You have no knowledge of anything other than love of jake locker and anything else mel kiper feeds you. Give up your obsession with me. because your posts prove thats all it is.




youre right bce, i have a confession:

im obsessed with you. i find you very entertaining and amusing with your backwards logic, piss poor grammar, lack of paragraphing and all the fantastic idiosyncracies that come with you posting on these boards. but aside from me humoring myself with twisting your words until you corner yourself then watching you squirm as you cant explain away your hypocrisy, i find it ironic that you call me a gnat. its very funny because i believe that is how everyone feels about you. i enjoyed that remark. anyways:

no you didnt answer my question in any way, shape or form similar to the way you dodged answering me or admitting you were wrong in the Jake Locker thread. its ok to admit it. the truth hurts. its ok.

maybe im not as smart as you, who knows really, we'll find out when these guys hit the pros, but i certainly think youre much more arrogant than me and i think that one is clearer than day so eh.

not a single time anywhere have i said floyd is better. he cant stay healthy so really its impossible to tell how good he is, hes all potential at this point. what im asking, and apparently you missed this, is how you can judge great catches against each other but not get a read on someones route running. you say you judge it by YAC if i recall correctly, but for college players it isnt kept. and everything ive seen of baldwin, hes gone down on first contact and soon after the catch, so i dont see how you could have reached this conclusion.

A Perfect Score
08-04-2010, 08:47 PM
Where did you ever embarrass me? Everyone on this board knows how much of an annoying, illogical troll you are. We argued about Ike Taylor, and you were proven wrong not just by me but by multiple posters, all of whom provided solid evidence to his mediocrity, to which you just repeated that he is the best corner despite all signs pointing to the contrary.

And alright, answer these questions:

- Where has Baldwin illustrated better body control then Floyd? If you look at the videos TACKLE posted, you can clearly see the way in which Floyd uses excellent body position to box out DBs. Show me empirical evidence of Baldwin doing it better.

- Again, show me empirical evidence which illustrates that Jonathon Baldwin runs better routes, displays better hands, blocks better, or is more physical with DB's then Michael Floyd.

- And, if Im being personal, show me empircal evidence of the above two questions in relation to A.J Green as well. Prove that Baldwin is better, instead of just repeating it over and over.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 08:47 PM
To all:

I apologize for cluttering the board with this nonsense but as i said, i find it very amusing. If it gets to the point that youd like for me to stop because you feel im taking away from the board, ill cut it off...for a while anyway. i dont know if i have the self control to stop twisting him altogether.

bce
08-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Dont ask the herd for forgiveness. Youre annoying into submission. Thats what you do. You annoy into submission. Then you turn and ask the herd for forgiveness because you know youre annoying

A Perfect Score
08-04-2010, 08:57 PM
Did you really just call him annoying? At least hes capable of displaying regular human logic. You, on the other hand, seem as though you were beat repeatedly upside the head.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 08:58 PM
Dont ask the herd for forgiveness. Youre annoying into submission. Thats what you do. You annoy into submission. Then you turn and ask the herd for forgiveness because you know youre annoying



I know im right and that youve given up when you dont even address the questions or facts that i present to you, you just spout off insults. thats when i know youre caving and that im right. the truth hurts

isnt it fun when you run into someone who just keeps spewing the same one liners you use right back at you? i think so

hockey619
08-04-2010, 09:00 PM
Did you really just call him annoying? At least hes capable of displaying regular human logic. You, on the other hand, seem as though you were beat repeatedly upside the head.


No no hes right, im very annoying. you know, when i type lines like:

the truth hurts

Thats opinion not based on fact

and things like that into all posts with regularity...obviously thats very obnoxious and annoying and all those actions are things he despises...what a second...

bce
08-04-2010, 09:05 PM
I know your game. Your trying to get revenge on the forum page. Difference is, i bring actual information, and you just go around chasing people. I dont disparage out of envy or distaste for something someone says. I argure my case for or against, and i bring it. You bring nothing. You exposed your game, you exposed what youre up to, and none of it has anything to do with prospects or posting information.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 09:13 PM
I know your game. Your trying to get revenge on the forum page. Difference is, i bring actual information, and you just go around chasing people. I dont disparage out of envy or distaste for something someone says. I argure my case for or against, and i bring it. You bring nothing. You exposed your game, you exposed what youre up to, and none of it has anything to do with prospects or posting information.

Im this parasite apparently yet you keep coming back to me. whos chasing who?
so you bring this vast knowledge as a brilliant mind to this forum....yet you still dont answer my question. are the words too big? do you not understand what im asking? because its very very simple really. how do you qualify catches as spectacular catches? YAC? then baldwin catching a screen and running fifty yards is a spectacular catch? there are simply too many holes that i see in this.

i want to know your thoughts. apparently im not privy to such spectacularly brillaint information and i couldnt possibly comprehend it. i think i could though, so humor everyone and try to teach this slow dim witted ape a thing or two.

FUNBUNCHER
08-04-2010, 09:19 PM
Baldwin took a screen to the house exactly ONE time.
Check out the youtube clips, most of JB's catches are of the spectacular variety, with him usually skying a foot above the outstretched hands of a DB for the football.

bce
08-04-2010, 09:20 PM
Its done. Youre exposed. You admitted what youve been doing. You admitted your reasoning for it, cant take it back now, and yet you continue.

Its a lost cause ive made all my justifications for why baldwin is a better player, you think theres holes, so be it, you want answers go back and read the 100 posts ive made already about it.

You dont like it. say its otherwise.

A Perfect Score
08-04-2010, 09:22 PM
You haven't made any justification whatsoever, in either thread. You just keep repeating he's a better player and refuse to submit any sort of evidence whatsoever to prove your theory.

bce
08-04-2010, 09:24 PM
Theres 100 posts on it. I dont know what else i could give you.

A Perfect Score
08-04-2010, 09:25 PM
A post which actually answers the question. Quality over quantity.

Where did you ever embarrass me? Everyone on this board knows how much of an annoying, illogical troll you are. We argued about Ike Taylor, and you were proven wrong not just by me but by multiple posters, all of whom provided solid evidence to his mediocrity, to which you just repeated that he is the best corner despite all signs pointing to the contrary.

And alright, answer these questions:

- Where has Baldwin illustrated better body control then Floyd? If you look at the videos TACKLE posted, you can clearly see the way in which Floyd uses excellent body position to box out DBs. Show me empirical evidence of Baldwin doing it better.

- Again, show me empirical evidence which illustrates that Jonathon Baldwin runs better routes, displays better hands, blocks better, or is more physical with DB's then Michael Floyd.

- And, if Im being personal, show me empircal evidence of the above two questions in relation to A.J Green as well. Prove that Baldwin is better, instead of just repeating it over and over.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 09:28 PM
Baldwin took a screen to the house exactly ONE time.
Check out the youtube clips, most of JB's catches are of the spectacular variety, with him usually skying a foot above the outstretched hands of a DB for the football.

wasnt the point, just pointing out a flaw in his evaluation process. then again, if i pointed them all out, wed be here til christmas, and only if i work fast

Oh im not doubting that he can make plays, no doubt about it. hes raw and has plenty of things to work on and i dont think hes as fast as everyone claims (game speed anyway). but with his size and skills, and if he can continue the growth of his game he could be a very good nfl player.

im just calling out bce on the double standard he has. Green makes great catches too, but because everyone likes him, he must suck.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 09:30 PM
A post which actually answers the question. Quality over quantity.

Or...he can just keep slinging crap at the wall until something makes sense and isnt totally backwards logic. dont hold your breath, he didnt answer me in the other thread and now he wont do it in this one too because he has no answer. me finding him amusing is his excuse to get out of the this line of questioning, thats all.

619
08-04-2010, 09:45 PM
I despise trolls.

FUNBUNCHER
08-04-2010, 09:47 PM
Maybe we should all get back to having an opinion and doing our best defend it with some kind of 'evidence' that others can evaluate, good or bad, instead of attacking the methodology.

I don't know how one defines 'polished', but I understand exactly what others mean when they say AJ Green is possibly the most NFL ready prospect in terms of route running.

IMO Green makes a number of his catches because he's running better routes than DBs can cover, Baldwin has many catches where he runs posts and rounded off slants and simply outjumps or outmuscles DBs.

Green is being asked to run a greater variety of routes than either Baldwin or FLoyd, IMO.

The only real question mark I have about Floyd is his long speed and his durability. He's not a little slot WR and his game demands that he take a LOT of hits from defenders because his body is exposed on so many catches.

I was really high on Golden Tate, but generally speaking unless a ND prospect is a totally dominating force game in and out against ranked teams, it's hard for me to trust what I'm seeing.

I have this feeling that of the top 4 WR prospects, Green, Baldwin, Jones and FLoyd, it's Floyd who will be picked last among them, with Floyd having the greater chance of sliding into the 2nd round.

hockey619
08-04-2010, 09:50 PM
Maybe we should all get back to having an opinion and doing our best defend it with some kind of 'evidence' that others can evaluate, good or bad, instead of attacking the methodology.

I don't know how one defines 'polished', but I understand exactly what others mean when they say AJ Green is possibly the most NFL ready prospect in terms of route running.

IMO Green makes a number of his catches because he's running better routes than DBs can cover, Baldwin has many catches where he runs posts and rounded off slants and simply outjumps or outmuscles DBs.

Green is being asked to run a greater variety of routes than either Baldwin or FLoyd, IMO.

The only real question mark I have about Floyd is his long speed and his durability. He's not a little slot WR and his game demands that he take a LOT of hits from defenders because his body is exposed on so many catches.

I was really high on Golden Tate, but generally speaking unless a ND prospect is a totally dominating force game in and out against ranked teams, it's hard for me to trust what I'm seeing.

I have this feeling that of the top 4 WR prospects, Green, Baldwin, Jones and FLoyd, it's Floyd who will be picked last among them, with Floyd having the greater chance of sliding into the 2nd round.


I could see that because of his durability issues and being a bit of an unknown quantity because of it. But Jones has had some serious drops issues and to me thatll raise just as big a red flag for teams. a WR who cant catch...doesnt sound too promising

agreed 100% with everything above it, Green's game seems to translate better to the NFL, at least early on. With some work, Baldwin could be a freak though.

bce
08-07-2010, 03:44 PM
Please give me a reason, not based on intangibles, why greens game translates better to the nfl than baldwin or michael floyd.

A Perfect Score
08-08-2010, 11:13 AM
Because Green runs better routes then both of them, uses his body better then Baldwin, uses his hands to beat the jam better then both Baldwin and Floyd, creates separation without relying purely on athleticism, and is capable of running an entire route tree, unlike your boy over there at Pitt.

Sniper
08-08-2010, 12:15 PM
Because Green runs better routes then both of them, uses his body better then Baldwin, uses his hands to beat the jam better then both Baldwin and Floyd, creates separation without relying purely on athleticism, and is capable of running an entire route tree, unlike your boy over there at Pitt.

Jeremy Maclin and Percy Harvin laugh at your "route tree". :D

Babylon
08-08-2010, 12:45 PM
It's going to be interesting to see what Floyd can do this year with Dayne Crist at QB and hopefully a year of being healthy. I'd throw a blanket over the top 4 right now but if a gun was put to my head i'd go Green and Floyd first. Julio Jones seems to me to have regressed a bit but his QB isnt of the stong arm variety. These 4 at the combine would answer a lot of questions i think.

FUNBUNCHER
08-08-2010, 01:49 PM
As a pure pro prospect, is Floyd better than former ND wr Jeff Samardzija, a player I was actually fairly high on?

A Perfect Score
08-08-2010, 01:51 PM
Without a doubt. Floyd is a far superior athlete to Jeff, and I believe that he can be a true #1 in the league, whereas Samardzija was more of a #2 and possession kind of guy.

ThePudge
08-09-2010, 08:18 PM
Scouting Report on 2011 prospect: Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame
- As always all comments, complaints, corrections, feedback, questions are encouraged!

http://static.blogcritics.org/09/09/05/112381/floyd.jpg

Michael Floyd - Notre Dame
Wide Receiver #2 - Overall #8
6024e 220e - 4.54e

Michael Floyd was perhaps the most dominant receiver in college football a season ago, when he played. There are few players over the years that have possessed his size, body control, and hands and even fewer that have the kind of explosiveness & physicality that Floyd does. He may not test with track speed but he shows a lot of competitiveness and acceleration after the catch and he's proven difficult to bring down in the open field. Thus far his college career has been riddled with injuries, missing time in 2008 due to a knee injury and again in 09' due to a broken collarbone. When projecting Floyd to the NFL level the first question has to be: can he stay healthy?

On the field this season Floyd will be coping with a new coach, new system, and a new quarterback along with added focus from opposing defenses due to the loss of Jr. Golden Tate to the Draft. How he responds to this change will, of course, be largely dependent on his health. Brian Kelly's system is pass-heavy and focuses on spreading defenses, creating mismatches, and one-on-one opportunities down the field. He's never dealt with a more talented receiver than Michael Floyd and it wouldn't be surprising to see more touches in the flat for the big wideout as this new offense gets off the ground.

Talent wise you could make a very strong argument for Floyd as the top receiver in a loaded class. Where he goes on draft day, however, has to do not only with his talent, but also with his health. If he's the victim of another injury that holds him out of 3-4 games (or more) then a team is going to be awful hesitant about using their First Round pick on him. If he can stay healthy and quickly acclimate himself to the changes around him then it's not saying too much to project Michael Floyd as high as the Top 10-15 picks in 2011.

Pros
+ Size, plays big at roughly 6'3 220, shields defenders with his body
+ Great body control, shows balance and remarkable control of his body in the air
+ Surprisingly explosive with the ball in his hands, can turn the corner
+ Excels in jump-ball situations, good leaper, takes balls away from defenders
+ Wins balls in traffic with his physicality & concentration
+ Tough to redirect, thick build with more suddenness than you'd expect
+ Excellent hands, catches the ball cleanly, reliably, & away from his body
+ Good route runner from more of an NFL system
+ Shows terrific awareness in the red-zone and on the sideline
+ Rare concentration, tracks the ball well anywhere on the field
+ Good footwork, very effective on comeback routes, can stop on a dime
+ Shows competitive speed, gets upfield fast, beats jam with speed
+ Can be a load to bring down in the open field
+ Shows the ability/physicality to be very effective as a run-blocker
+ Very tough and very competitive on the field
+ Has considerable upside as a red-zone target

Cons
- Huge injury concerns after missing a total of 8 games over the past two years
- Lacks top end speed to separate vertically
- May not be quite the 6'3 he's listed at, my guess is between 6'2-6'2 1/2
- Will have to produce this season without Jimmy Clausen or Golden Tate
- Recently apprehended for a fight at a party
- Comes from largely pass-happy offenses, could be a little raw as a blocker
- Questionable elusiveness, not really a "shake-and-bake" guy

bce
08-09-2010, 09:26 PM
Ok whats the problem with using a top 10 pick on this guy?

Cant stay healthy at the college level. So youre going to the nfl level where the season is hopefully 19 games plus a preseason, is this guy likely to make it to game 19 if youre lucky enough to get there?

Lacks top end vertical speed, so probably not going to be a big deep threat.

Not the "big" receiver as advsertised

has off field concerns

May not be able to have the elusiveness to get around nfl dbs nor the speed to beat them.

So how are you going to use a top 10 pick on this guy with these holes. These are his words not mine.

OaklandRaider56
08-09-2010, 10:45 PM
Ok whats the problem with using a top 10 pick on this guy?

Cant stay healthy at the college level. So youre going to the nfl level where the season is hopefully 19 games plus a preseason, is this guy likely to make it to game 19 if youre lucky enough to get there?

Lacks top end vertical speed, so probably not going to be a big deep threat.

Not the "big" receiver as advsertised

has off field concerns

May not be able to have the elusiveness to get around nfl dbs nor the speed to beat them.

So how are you going to use a top 10 pick on this guy with these holes. These are his words not mine.

Just curious. Who are your top 10 prospects?

ThePudge
08-09-2010, 11:21 PM
Just curious. Who are your top 10 prospects?

1. Ryan Mallett
2. Cameron Heyward
3. Jonathan Baldwin
4. Well.... no one else is worth the money of a Top 10 pick so they should probably skip to the Mid-First already so they can get something worth their money!

OaklandRaider56
08-09-2010, 11:39 PM
1. Ryan Mallett
2. Cameron Heyward
3. Jonathan Baldwin
4. Well.... no one else is worth the money of a Top 10 pick so they should probably skip to the Mid-First already so they can get something worth their money!

Bingo. 4-16 should be skipped because picking anything less than the 'perfect prospect' is for suckers. The man's a genius...

FUNBUNCHER
08-10-2010, 05:50 AM
I loved the write-up Pudge. I don't see Floyd as a top 10 pick either, however, unless he blows teams away in predraft testing and has a dominant season in 2010 for ND.

WRs with an injury history typically fall on draft day, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was taken after the first round.

Easy, bce. This write up is BEFORE the college season has even been played. Wait to see Pudge's hard take on Floyd in the spring.

AntoinCD
08-10-2010, 07:21 AM
Ok whats the problem with using a top 10 pick on this guy?

Cant stay healthy at the college level. So youre going to the nfl level where the season is hopefully 19 games plus a preseason, is this guy likely to make it to game 19 if youre lucky enough to get there?

Lacks top end vertical speed, so probably not going to be a big deep threat.

Not the "big" receiver as advsertised

has off field concerns

May not be able to have the elusiveness to get around nfl dbs nor the speed to beat them.

So how are you going to use a top 10 pick on this guy with these holes. These are his words not mine.

That's the entire debate though. I am not convinced yet if he is worth it but only because of one thing you listed.

Even if, as Pudge alluded to, he comes in at 6'2 1/2 that is perfectly fine so the extra half inch or so is of little relevance.

He had one fight, it's hardly going to hold him back.

Larry Fitzgerald isn't overly fast or elusive, nor is he an elite deep threat, yet is in the top 2 WR in the NFL. NB-I am only using Fitz as an example because Floyd's game resembles his, although Floyd's not on the same level IMO. They both create separation and make tough catches because of supreme body control and good hands.

The injury concerns however are very legitimate. If he can't stay healthy then he will not be a top 10 pick. However, if he plays at a high level again this year and plays all season then he is definitely in contention to be one of the first prospects selected

descendency
08-10-2010, 07:42 AM
I think there are probably 6 or 7 WRs this year more talented than all but one WR last year. This class is just loaded with potential #1 WRs.

edit: A healthy Michael Floyd is among the top 3 or 4 should say something.

LonghornsLegend
08-10-2010, 09:42 AM
Michael Floyd won't be an inch taller then 6'1, let's be honest here. Crabtree was listed at 6'3 his entire career too and he couldn't break 6'1 at the combine and Crabtree just looks alot longer on film. Floyd is nowhere near 6'3 and will be alot closer to 6'0 even.

K Train
08-10-2010, 09:51 AM
Michael Floyd won't be an inch taller then 6'1, let's be honest here. Crabtree was listed at 6'3 his entire career too and he couldn't break 6'1 at the combine and Crabtree just looks alot longer on film. Floyd is nowhere near 6'3 and will be alot closer to 6'0 even.

i dont know how tall he his exactly but when he stood next to golden tate (5-10 or 11) he was significantly taller, by about 3-4 inches at least.

even if he measures at 6 foot he has some premier leaping ability regardless

AntoinCD
08-10-2010, 10:04 AM
Michael Floyd won't be an inch taller then 6'1, let's be honest here. Crabtree was listed at 6'3 his entire career too and he couldn't break 6'1 at the combine and Crabtree just looks alot longer on film. Floyd is nowhere near 6'3 and will be alot closer to 6'0 even.

I'd honestly be surprised if he came in under 6'1 and expect him to be closer to 6'2 upwards. I could be wrong but I would have put him a good 3 or 4 inches taller than Golden Tate

FUNBUNCHER
08-10-2010, 10:05 AM
Why are ND players getting no respect when it comes to their height?? Last year someone was saying Jimmy Clausen would be LUCKY to measure 6'1.
Nope, he was measured 6'3 at the combine.

FLoyd is closer to 6'3 than he is 6'2, IMO.

prock
08-10-2010, 10:21 AM
Michael Floyd won't be an inch taller then 6'1, let's be honest here. Crabtree was listed at 6'3 his entire career too and he couldn't break 6'1 at the combine and Crabtree just looks alot longer on film. Floyd is nowhere near 6'3 and will be alot closer to 6'0 even.

I don't agree. I think Floyd is at least 6'2".

ThePudge
08-10-2010, 11:04 AM
I think there are probably 6 or 7 WRs this year more talented than all but one WR last year. This class is just loaded with potential #1 WRs.

edit: A healthy Michael Floyd is among the top 3 or 4 should say something.

A healthy Michael Floyd is arguably the best receiver in this class, only A.J. Green really makes that a debatable statement in my mind.

In the 6 complete games Floyd played a season ago he averaged 7 receptions 126.2 yds, 18.0 ypc, and 1.3 Td's. If you were to distribute that over a 12 game season you're talking 84 rec 1,514 yds 16 Tds. Of course we're not talking in "if's" here because the fact that he hasn't been able to stay healthy is the biggest knock on him as a prospect.

I see a lot of Larry Fitzgerald in him, like others do. He's going to measure in about 2 inches shorter than Larry & is built more like Anquan Boldin; however, their games were very similar at this point in their careers. Michael Floyd is the real deal and if he's able to stay healthy then it's not too bold to say the Top 10 is a distinct possibility. If he is hurt for the third year in a row, as I mentioned earlier, it's going to be hard for a team to invest a First Round pick in him... In that case some team may wind up with a colossal draft day steal.

AntoinCD
08-10-2010, 11:51 AM
Once again i'd be surprised if Floyd doesn't measure over 6'2 and maybe the 6'3 he's listed at. Here he's standing beside Kyle Rudolph who's listed as 6'6

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03qnbbo8hTaQp/340x.jpg

If anything Floyd is more hunched over than Rudolph and i'd say there's no more than 3(at the very max 4) inches between them there

JHL6719
08-10-2010, 12:04 PM
[QUOTE=ThePudge;2255659]A healthy Michael Floyd is arguably the best receiver in this class, only A.J. Green really makes that a debatable statement in my mind.









Totally in agreement with that right there.

The only questions in my mind really is how the others shake out..

I like Julio's potential and his strength is hellish.... Baldwin, DeAndre Brown, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, Greg Little, Niles Paul, etc...

Any idea how you would rate these guys?

ThePudge
08-10-2010, 12:39 PM
[QUOTE=ThePudge;2255659]A healthy Michael Floyd is arguably the best receiver in this class, only A.J. Green really makes that a debatable statement in my mind.









Totally in agreement with that right there.

The only questions in my mind really is how the others shake out..

I like Julio's potential and his strength is hellish.... Baldwin, DeAndre Brown, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, Greg Little, Niles Paul, etc...

Any idea how you would rate these guys?


Right now here are my rankings...

1. A.J. Green - Georgia*
2. Michael Floyd - Notre Dame*
3. Jonathan Baldwin - Pittsburgh*
4. Julio Jones - Alabama*
5. Ryan Broyles - Oklahoma*
6. DeVier Posey - Ohio State*
7. DeAndre Brown - Southern Mississippi*
8. Greg Little - North Carolina
9. Titus Young - Boise State
10. Terrance Tolliver - LSU
11. LaRon Byrd - Miami (Fl.)*
12. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos - Iowa
13. Darvin Adams - Auburn*
14. Niles Paul - Nebraska
15. Dwayne Harris - East Carolina

The rankings could (will) be dramatically different by April, though right now I'm happy with the Top 5 entering the season. A lot of good ones this year and I'm sure there will be players that go in the second round that aren't on my list above.

A Perfect Score
08-10-2010, 12:41 PM
Pretty good rankings, although I would probably have DeAndre Brown higher. Im a fan of his.

K Train
08-10-2010, 12:45 PM
what a terrible year to be a talented WR not names Michael Floyd, AJ Green, Julio Jones or Jonathan Baldwin lol

were gonna see guys that would be more like the first/second rounders from the last few years drop to the 3rd because of the big 4

JHL6719
08-10-2010, 12:45 PM
[QUOTE=JHL6719;2255720]


Right now here are my rankings...

1. A.J. Green - Georgia*
2. Michael Floyd - Notre Dame*
3. Jonathan Baldwin - Pittsburgh*
4. Julio Jones - Alabama*
5. Ryan Broyles - Oklahoma*
6. DeVier Posey - Ohio State*
7. DeAndre Brown - Southern Mississippi*
8. Greg Little - North Carolina
9. Titus Young - Boise State
10. Terrance Tolliver - LSU
11. LaRon Byrd - Miami (Fl.)*
12. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos - Iowa
13. Darvin Adams - Auburn*
14. Niles Paul - Nebraska
15. Dwayne Harris - East Carolina

The rankings could (will) be dramatically different by April, though right now I'm happy with the Top 5 entering the season. A lot of good ones this year and I'm sure there will be players that go in the second round that aren't on my list above.



Great job... I have a couple of questions if you dont mind...

First, I'm curious as to what you might think makes LaRon Byrd a better prospect than teammate Hankerson?

Also, is the reason you have Dwayne Harris ranked low because you have concerns how he translates to the NFL? Because honestly, for all of his talent, I've never seen him run a route.. the only thing I've ever seen him do is catch a bubble screen and take off with the football..

Thanks in advance and I always enjoy reading your analysis.

Babylon
08-10-2010, 01:40 PM
Pudge i think Jermaine Kearse for the Huskies will be moving up with a good year. He's going to be the recipient of a lot of big plays from Jake Locker. (see how i got a Locker referance in there?)

ThePudge
08-10-2010, 05:34 PM
[QUOTE=ThePudge;2255759]



Great job... I have a couple of questions if you dont mind...

First, I'm curious as to what you might think makes LaRon Byrd a better prospect than teammate Hankerson?

Also, is the reason you have Dwayne Harris ranked low because you have concerns how he translates to the NFL? Because honestly, for all of his talent, I've never seen him run a route.. the only thing I've ever seen him do is catch a bubble screen and take off with the football..

Thanks in advance and I always enjoy reading your analysis.

I've seen some great things from Hankerson, but I feel like Byrd will end up being the better player. Hankerson shows the ability make plays away from his body, he's got good size, speed, and body control; however, his route-running and consistency are really lacking & he shows little technique on the field. I like Byrd's length and size potential as well and I like his upside in the red-zone. I expect a breakout year from one of those Miami receivers and personally I believe LaRon may be the most talented of the group. We'll see if the more confident & improved Jacory Harris can find him more downfield and in the redzone in 2010.

Dwayne Harris is a guy I like but you touched on his main question mark, can he run routes? He comes from a system that doesn't have him running many sophisticated routes & it makes sense that he'd be raw there. I'd like to see more big plays from him down the middle of the field as I have questions about his physicality without the ball. If his production continues to inflate & we see more touches for Harris downfield, I'm sure he'll be moving up my board. Right now I'd like him in the Early 3rd.

Mr.Regular
08-11-2010, 12:26 AM
Michael Floyd is such a beast. I have him third in the big 4 (Jones behind), but he would probably be my #1 if it wasn't for health issues, #2 at worst.

Fast, big, leaping ability, good hands, and he has a knack for the big play. He is such a solid deep threat too. Not only his speed, but his ball tracking, and his ability to position himself to be in the best place to make a catch is really something. He's everything you'd want from a WR prospect, other than the once in a lifetime athletic freakishness ala Calvin Johnson. Only problem is he's always hurt.

If he stays healthy and checks out medically, he could be a top 10 pick. More nagging health issues? He could free fall.

K Train
08-11-2010, 07:33 AM
Michael Floyd is such a beast. I have him third in the big 4 (Jones behind), but he would probably be my #1 if it wasn't for health issues, #2 at worst.

Fast, big, leaping ability, good hands, and he has a knack for the big play. He is such a solid deep threat too. Not only his speed, but his ball tracking, and his ability to position himself to be in the best place to make a catch is really something. He's everything you'd want from a WR prospect, other than the once in a lifetime athletic freakishness ala Calvin Johnson. Only problem is he's always hurt.

If he stays healthy and checks out medically, he could be a top 10 pick. More nagging health issues? He could free fall.

its crazy how everyone ranks these 4 guys differently...its gonna be real interesting this season.

Everyone says floyd could be their #1 if he could stay healthy

Everyone says Baldwin could be their #1 if he has a big year and works on his route running

everyone says jones could be #1 if he didnt have so many drops or played up to his ability just a little more

and everyone has green number one because he doesnt really have any of those problems

bce
08-11-2010, 05:50 PM
Just curious. Who are your top 10 prospects?

. Mallett
2. Griffin
3. Von miller
4. Romeus
5. Baldwin
6. Ingram
7. clay
8. ryan williams
9. anthony allen
10 jacuizz rodgers

bce
08-11-2010, 05:52 PM
I loved the write-up Pudge. I don't see Floyd as a top 10 pick either, however, unless he blows teams away in predraft testing and has a dominant season in 2010 for ND.

WRs with an injury history typically fall on draft day, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was taken after the first round.



Easy, bce. This write up is BEFORE the college season has even been played. Wait to see Pudge's hard take on Floyd in the spring.



I wasnt being critical of his write up. I was just asking based on his write up why would you use a top 10 pick on michael floyd, being there are so many holes

Mr.Regular
08-11-2010, 06:38 PM
its crazy how everyone ranks these 4 guys differently...its gonna be real interesting this season.

Everyone says floyd could be their #1 if he could stay healthy

Everyone says Baldwin could be their #1 if he has a big year and works on his route running

everyone says jones could be #1 if he didnt have so many drops or played up to his ability just a little more

and everyone has green number one because he doesnt really have any of those problems
Very true. Im sure Ive seen every combination of these top 4 guys ranks.
They all have insane potential. Green right now is the only one who doesn't have many question marks.
Can you imagine though if Baldwin puts up another big year, Jones learns how to catch and produces like he should, and Floyd checks out medically? Watch out.

A Perfect Score
08-11-2010, 06:39 PM
I don't think all 4 end up in the draft if Im being perfectly honest. It will make too much sense for someone to go back to school, Im just curious to see who it will be.

bce
08-11-2010, 06:45 PM
I don't think all 4 end up in the draft if Im being perfectly honest. It will make too much sense for someone to go back to school, Im just curious to see who it will be.

I could certainly see six first rd wrs this year. The other classes are generally not as strong. If theyre all first rd projections come years end theyll all be coming out. Most of these guys are football players first and "students" second. I know baldwin has already said hes coming out if he has similar production to any of the others. Plus with the likely advent of the rookie salary cap, the incentive to increase draft status will no longer be there. It will have the opposite of the desired effect of keeping guys in school, since there wont be much incentive to stay.

A Perfect Score
08-11-2010, 06:46 PM
I think as much as they will want to declare, the class is so strong that someone will end up going back to school with the intention of being the #1 WR the year after. I just don't see all 4 being available in the draft.

bce
08-11-2010, 07:03 PM
Generally, i would agree with you, but if they implement this new system, the difference between being a top 10 pick and a second rd pick will be much less, so theres really less incentive to go back and try to work your way into the top payday, because the top payday wont be there anymore. I also like malcolm williams, james rodgers, armon binns and travis benajmin. As I see it, if they implement this new salary scale, all the incentive for top prospects to go back and risk injury and all the other issues that go along with being a big school football player, theres really no incentive to stay anymore. Plus when a class is considered "strong" at a position, teams tend to gobble them up higher. I think baldwin, green, and jones are lock rd 1 picks, they will be out, floyd probably will be out, and i think several will follow, especially if theres no real incentive to going back.

prock
08-12-2010, 12:50 AM
You don't have AJ Green in the your top 32, why do you think he is a lock? Just curious.

bce
08-12-2010, 07:15 PM
Because i dont base my boards on where players will be picked. I leave predicting draft order to the people with the inside information who are paid to do exactly that. And right now, theyre predicting green will be a high pick, so unless he has a terrible year, he'll likely be a rd 1 pick.

ThePudge
08-13-2010, 09:12 AM
Because i dont base my boards on where players will be picked. I leave predicting draft order to the people with the inside information who are paid to do exactly that. And right now, theyre predicting green will be a high pick, so unless he has a terrible year, he'll likely be a rd 1 pick.

You actually have boards? Post your 2010 Draft Board, I think a lot of us would be very interested in giving it a look.

A.J. Green will go in the 1st Round because that's where he's predicted to go, not because he's a worthy player? Jimmy Clausen was thought to be a near-lock for the First Round this past year but slipped down to the middle of the Second. Teams don't care where players are predicted to go by mock makers or "experts."

regoob2
08-19-2010, 07:39 PM
Floyd reminds me a lot of Brian Robiskie coming out. I think there 40s will be similar. Floyd isnt a blazer and his injuries cant be overlooked.

Sniper
08-19-2010, 07:45 PM
Floyd reminds me a lot of Brian Robiskie coming out. I think there 40s will be similar. Floyd isnt a blazer and his injuries cant be overlooked.

Floyd is approximately 493 times better than Robiskie.

regoob2
08-19-2010, 07:50 PM
I think Floyd is a better player but he's not a top 10 pick. I dont think he's on Crabtree' level.

A Perfect Score
08-19-2010, 07:52 PM
Actually, Crabtree is a guy that Floyd compares pretty favorably too. The Robiskie business is just rubbish though.

regoob2
08-19-2010, 07:53 PM
Actually, Crabtree is a guy that Floyd compares pretty favorably too. The Robiskie business is just rubbish though.Do you think Floyd will be a top 10 pick?

A Perfect Score
08-19-2010, 07:54 PM
Do you think Floyd will be a top 10 pick?

Ultimately, no. I think despite whether he stays healthy or not this season, there will be enough doubt surrounding his injuries to keep him from going Top 10. That said, Top 20 isn't out of the question and I think he's just as talented as Crabtree was as a receiver.

regoob2
08-19-2010, 08:00 PM
Ultimately, no. I think despite whether he stays healthy or not this season, there will be enough doubt surrounding his injuries to keep him from going Top 10. That said, Top 20 isn't out of the question and I think he's just as talented as Crabtree was as a receiver.
I cant put him in the Crabtree category because Crabtree is much quicker. Bigger receivers can get by without great long speed if they have good quickness. I dont see the quickness or long speed with Floyd. Pair that with the injuries and I can see a lot of teams thinking twice in the first round. I see him as more of a mid-late 1st.

Saints-Tigers
08-19-2010, 10:26 PM
Floyd looks faster than Tate to me, and people thought Golden wouldn't have a great timed speed either.

FUNBUNCHER
08-20-2010, 01:12 AM
Floyd looks faster than Tate to me, and people thought Golden wouldn't have a great timed speed either.

I remember there being two camps on Tate; those who thought he was a Steve Smith clone, including the speed, and the others who thought he was a dough boy whose speed was a mirage.

I never thought anyone on ND's team looked faster than Tate. If Floyd stays healthy and he turns out to be a 4.4 guy predraft, I think he's a near lock to go in the first round.

Saints-Tigers
08-20-2010, 01:19 AM
I think if Floyd stays healthy, he's a lock for the first no matter what he runs, because I think if he's healthy, he's going to put up dominant stats.

TACKLE
08-20-2010, 02:08 AM
If Floyd stays healthy and he turns out to be a 4.4 guy predraft, I think he's a near lock to go in the first round.

You're really going out on limb there.

San Diego Chicken
08-20-2010, 04:39 AM
A bit overrated I think. He out-muscles a lot of smaller college DB's, and doesn't have the body control or leaping ability of Green or Baldwin. But he does track well and has good short area speed.

K Train
08-20-2010, 08:00 AM
I remember there being two camps on Tate; those who thought he was a Steve Smith clone, including the speed, and the others who thought he was a dough boy whose speed was a mirage.

I never thought anyone on ND's team looked faster than Tate. If Floyd stays healthy and he turns out to be a 4.4 guy predraft, I think he's a near lock to go in the first round.

tate doesnt have steve smith wheels. i compared tate to hines ward personally...hes definitely not the deep threat he was made to look like in college.

that being said i think floyd will be faster than tate.

and as far as the crabtree comment goes i think floyds quickness is underrated for a guy his size....crabtree is actually a decent comparison, and i think playing in a soread this year floyd could put up some crabtree like numbers

FUNBUNCHER
08-20-2010, 09:54 AM
Tate ran a 4.3 predraft. Steve Smith has run a 4.28. Hines Ward doesn't have that kind of raw speed.

And other than this being a thread about Michael Floyd, he's really not in the conversation.
FLoyd can have a great season without putting up the video game stats of Crabtree at Texas Tech.

A Perfect Score
08-20-2010, 09:56 AM
A bit overrated I think. He out-muscles a lot of smaller college DB's, and doesn't have the body control or leaping ability of Green or Baldwin. But he does track well and has good short area speed.

He has better body control then Green or Baldwin.

wonderbredd24
08-20-2010, 10:20 AM
Michael Floyd is a really nice receiver, but I just don't know if he brings it every play as a blocker and to really set yourself apart, you need to be able to block like Julio Jones, who as I understand it has practically reinvented wide receiver blocking after Hines Ward revolutionized it

mario
08-20-2010, 10:47 AM
Michael Floyd is a really nice receiver, but I just don't know if he brings it every play as a blocker and to really set yourself apart, you need to be able to block like Julio Jones, who as I understand it has practically reinvented wide receiver blocking after Hines Ward revolutionized it
I haven't seen him blocking too much. In almost all run plays at Michigan he is asked to do a WR screen fake...

Don't think he is in the same level (blocking) as Julio, thought.

Sniper
08-20-2010, 10:50 AM
I haven't seen him blocking too much. In almost all run plays at Michigan he is asked to do a WR screen fake...

Don't think he is in the same level (blocking) as Julio, thought.

He plays at Notre Dame.

A Perfect Score
08-20-2010, 10:59 AM
Michael Floyd is a really nice receiver, but I just don't know if he brings it every play as a blocker and to really set yourself apart, you need to be able to block like Julio Jones, who as I understand it has practically reinvented wide receiver blocking after Hines Ward revolutionized it

Except Floyd is a better receiver then Jones is. So its ok that he can't block like him.

wonderbredd24
08-20-2010, 11:02 AM
I figured it was obvious, but I guess not... that was sarcasm

prock
08-20-2010, 11:13 AM
Michael Floyd is from Minnesota, so he is obviously the best prospect in the draft, bar none.

mario
08-20-2010, 11:16 AM
He plays at Notre Dame.
LOL my bad...yep, well he fakes the WR screen in nearly all the run plays at Notre Dame...much better now :D