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fenikz
08-09-2010, 11:04 PM
Just discussing this in IRC, how do you think a player with his attributes and productivity goes entirely unnoticed through the draft process?

receiver Stephen Williams' performance Saturday morning was a continuation of the way he's played since signing as a rookie free agent in the spring. The 6-foot-5, 208-pound Williams impressed coaches from the beginning with his speed and hands.

He showed those attributes again Saturday in the annual "Red and White" practice, catching a 10-yard touchdown pass and making a couple other important grabs.

"Not getting drafted, I have a little chip on my shoulder," said Williams, who is Toledo's career leader in receptions and yards. "A lot of people passed me up, and I feel comfortable in Arizona. I still have to prove myself for a lot of people."

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TACKLE
08-09-2010, 11:50 PM
I have no idea. I wasn't aware of him during the draft. I don't know how he wasn't on my radar. Usually freak athletes get a lot of pub as late round sleepers but for some reason Williams didn't. If the Cardinals stay committed to developing him, he could turn into a huge steal.

ThePudge
08-10-2010, 12:04 AM
131st on my Final Draft board. I had him going Late 4th-Early 6th, thought he was definitely a guy flying under the radar. Unfortunately he didn't get drafted and I lost track of him, but it's good that he's made a mark with the Cardinals. I believe in him as a sleeper receiver making that team and perhaps producing in time.

Combine numbers: 6'4 1/2 210 - 10'5 broad jump, 4.11 short shuttle, and 6.81 3-Cone. Was said to be as low as 4.41 at his Pro Day. Very productive guy in college who looked to have some potential as a vertical target in the NFL.

Gribble
08-10-2010, 12:10 AM
Did he have an injury history/off field issues? Cause he was big, fast, and productive... Weird to see a guy like that go undrafted.

Duffman57
08-10-2010, 01:18 AM
Did he have an injury history/off field issues? Cause he was big, fast, and productive... Weird to see a guy like that go undrafted.

NOt that i remember. I looked into him quite a bit and there really wasn't a glaring weakness IIRC. I think alot of people thought that he really benefitted from being tall and fast against bad CB's at toldedo.

I pretty much agree with what Pudge said though.

fenikz
08-10-2010, 01:24 AM
He burnt one of my favorite small school CBs from last year AJ Jefferson(also on the Cardinals now) with help from a S over the top

LonghornsLegend
08-10-2010, 04:06 AM
I have heard nothing but good things about him since Arizona drafted him, I'm curious if he could pass up Andre Roberts or Doucet sometime soon, or if they are going to take it slow with him. He's got great size though and when guys are working behind Larry Fitzgerald I always feel like they have a nice advantage.

fenikz
08-10-2010, 04:22 AM
He went undrafted, but has done nothing but impress since signing with AZ. Currently him and Roberts are battling it out for the #4 spot, both have such different tools so both could get time their in different packages. What would have been great is if he could of gone to the camp Fitz was holding all summer, since they both have similar skill sets physically, being able to pick his brain on preparing and the mental part of the NFL could have helped him a ton.

While Whis always has and always will want to have a run 1st team, it's hard when you have such amazing playmakers split out wide

StaticGator
08-10-2010, 02:07 PM
He was my favorite late round receiver prospect I did any kind of looking into. I was putting him in the 5th round of mocks. It doesn't really make any sense why he didn't get drafted as he had pretty good measurables and great production. His highlight tape is awesome. Just bomb after bomb. I'm glad he's been impressing and I may be validated.

Shane P. Hallam
08-10-2010, 02:19 PM
If I remember correctly, his 40 time was very poor pre-draft. His route running ability was nearly non-existent at the combine IIRC, it became more go up and get it, etc.

TACKLE
08-10-2010, 02:31 PM
If I remember correctly, his 40 time was very poor pre-draft. His route running ability was nearly non-existent at the combine IIRC, it became more go up and get it, etc.

He ran a 4.48 at the combine.

Big Bird
08-10-2010, 02:39 PM
I had him 20th amongst Wide Receivers in my Final Rankings. He was certainly draftable. Cardinals got a steal with him as he'll be a nice back-up Wide Receiver. Kelly Washington type.

Shane P. Hallam
08-10-2010, 03:12 PM
He ran a 4.48 at the combine.

His Pro Day was a 4.6, which I imagine brought up some questions.

TACKLE
08-10-2010, 03:16 PM
His Pro Day was a 4.6, which I imagine brought up some questions.

He didn't run a forty at his pro day and stood on all his combine numbers.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/19/toledo-welcomes-company-at-pro-day/

Shane P. Hallam
08-10-2010, 03:23 PM
He didn't run a forty at his pro day and stood on all his combine numbers.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/19/toledo-welcomes-company-at-pro-day/

My fault, I misread. Freddie Barnes is the one who ran a 4.6 at the same Pro Day.

TACKLE
08-10-2010, 03:39 PM
My fault, I misread. Freddie Barnes is the one who ran a 4.6 at the same Pro Day.

Classic mix-up between two late-round MAC WR's who play at Ohio schools.

StaticGator
09-01-2010, 12:08 PM
Cardinals undrafted receiver Stephen Williams could turn into a steal

How bad did NFL scouts miss the boat on rookie wide receiver Stephen Williams?

So bad that, according to former Cardinals linebacker/defensive end Bertrand Berry, every NFL team should have to forfeit a draft pick next year because of their stupidity.

"It's insane. It's an absolute crime," Berry said this week during a radio interview on KDUS-AM (1060).

Williams started 40 games for the University of Toledo and left as the school's all-time leader in receptions (229) and receiving yards (3,102). But he went untouched in this year's NFL draft.

The Cardinals had him rated as a potential third-round pick, but they didn't draft him, either. Instead, they were the one team that reached out and offered him a free-agent contract with a chance to make the team.

And it appears he has done that.

The 6-foot-5 Williams has been the biggest feel-good story of training camp and the preseason for the Cardinals. He has caught nearly every ball thrown his way, made some amazing plays in traffic and likely cemented himself on the 53-man roster with his performance Saturday against the Chicago Bears.

In that game, playing in a starting role because of injuries to Larry Fitzgerald and Early Doucet, he caught five passes for 79 yards and turned an underneath slant into a 27-yard touchdown.

"It was a good game," Williams said. "I wanted more progress and to show more of my skills and get more trust with the first-team offense, so it was a very good feeling.

"Every week it seems like my confidence gets higher and higher. I'm trying to put myself in front of my teammates and my coaches and let them know I can play in this league."

Mission accomplished, according to Fitzgerald, who said Williams eventually might replace him as the Cardinals' No. 1 wideout.

"That's a good thing to hear coming from a guy like that," Williams said. "I'm learning from him every day, how to pick his brain and run routes like him and the different techniques he uses to get open.

"Hey, I'm learning from the best, so hopefully that can make me the best, too. When you leave a legacy, you want the guy behind you to be better than you, and I think that's what Larry's trying to teach me."

Quarterback Derek Anderson said he never has seen a rookie free-agent receiver with the skill set of Williams - and Anderson played with a do-everything, undrafted receiver in Josh Cribbs of the Cleveland Browns.

"Josh was one of those guys," Anderson said. "He's not a great receiver, but he's a great athlete and probably one of the best football players I've ever been around."

Cardinals free safety Kerry Rhodes said: "I have no idea how this kid didn't get drafted, but he's a beast. Whether he's going up against the third team, the second team or the first team, he's a beast."

Williams isn't sure why he didn't get drafted, either, but said it might have been a blessing now that it appears he has found a home in Arizona.

"Everything happens for a reason," he said. "I'm at a loss as to why it went the way it did, but I know I had a clean slate and I didn't do anything wrong. I guess I just had to prove myself to the right people."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2010/08/31/20100831arizona-cardinals-stephen-williams.html#ixzz0yIYr4fl2

LonghornsLegend
09-01-2010, 12:16 PM
He's gonna be a beast, I'm sure of it, he looks the part of a future #1 WR. All he needs to do is make sure he signs up for the Fitzgerald camp early next year, and that seems to be the recipe for success for a WR/TE. Bet Dwayne Bowe and Finley both have huge breakout seasons after going this year, like Sidney Rice did last year.

fenikz
09-03-2010, 05:16 PM
Man is a beast, my friends and I have determined that he must be some sort of sick puppy molester or else he would of been drafted

Duffman57
09-03-2010, 06:44 PM
= next Malcolm Floyd IMO.