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Rob S
08-12-2010, 03:24 PM
Discuss the 2011 NFL Draft and post your Buffalo Bills' mocks!

fontes
08-28-2010, 07:57 PM
THey should take the best available qb in the first 3 rounds

Rob S
08-31-2010, 02:53 PM
THey should take the best available qb in the first 3 rounds

I think just the 1st round will be sufficient.

dannyz
11-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Luck,Luck,Luck. :)

redbills
01-24-2011, 08:10 PM
Mock Offseason

Free Agent Pick Ups
Tyler Thigpen QB MIA
Brandon Siler ILB SD

Draft
1st-Marcell Dareus - DE - Alabama
2nd-Jeremy Beal - DE/OLB - Oklahoma
3rd-Benjamin Ijalana - OT - Villanova
4th-Ahmad Black - S - Florida
4th-(SEA)-Casey Matthews - ILB -Oregon
5th-Luke Stocker - TE - Tennessee
*5th-James Brewer - OT - Indiana
6th-Shareece Wright - CB - USC
7th-Jerrod Johnson - QB -Texas A&M

*Trade
Terrence McGee for 5th and conditional 5th in 2012, bumps up to 4th if he plays at least 78% of D snaps.

Depth Chart
QB - Ryan Fitzpatrick , Tyler Thigpen , Jerrod Johnson
RB - Fred Jackson , C.J. Spiller , Quinton Ganther
FB - Corey McIntyre
TE - Jonathan Stupar, Shawn Nelson , Luke Stocker
WR1 - Lee Evans , David Nelson
WR2 - Steve Johnson , Marcus Easley
Slot - Roscoe Parrish , Donald Jones
LT - Demeterius Bell , Ed Wang
LG - Andy Levitre , Kraig Urbik
C - Eric Wood , Geoff Hangartner
RG - Chad Rinehart , Kraig Urbik
RT - Benjamin Ijalana , James Brewer

DE - Dwan Edwards , Alex Carrington , Spencer Johnson
NT - Kyle Williams , Torell Troup
DE - Marcell Dareus , Marcus Stroud
OLB - Jeremy Beal , Antonio Coleman
ILB - Paul Posluszny , Casey Matthews
ILB - Brandon Siler , Andra Davis
OLB - Shawne Merriman , Arthur Moats , Danny Batten
CB - Drayton Florence , Leodis McKelvin , Reggie Corner , Ashton Youboty , Shareece Wright
SS - George Wilson , Bryan Scott , Ahmad Black
FS - Jairus Byrd , George Wilson

KR - C.J. Spiller , Leodis McKelvin
PR - Roscoe Parrish , C.J. Spiller
K - Rian Lindell
P - Brian Moorman
LS - Garrison Sanborn

Practice Squad
Naaman Roosevelt - WR
Mike Person - OL - Montana State
Kellen Heard - NT
Kenny Rowe - DE/OLB - Oregon
Josh Thomas - CB - Buffalo

Poz51
01-25-2011, 08:54 AM
Mock Offseason

Free Agent Pick Ups
Tyler Thigpen QB MIA
Brandon Siler ILB SD
Solid pick ups.

Draft
1st-Marcell Dareus - DE - Alabama
Would be a good pick.
2nd-Jeremy Beal - DE/OLB - Oklahoma
IMO he is terribly over rated, and has been dominated by all accounts in the first day of the senior bowl, I see his stock falling big time...
3rd-Benjamin Ijalana - OT - Villanova
I dont see him falling into the third round...
4th-Ahmad Black - S - Florida
Interesting...
4th-(SEA)-Casey Matthews - ILB -Oregon
Good pick.
5th-Luke Stocker - TE - Tennessee
Not sure he falls this far, but if he does good pick.
*5th-James Brewer - OT - Indiana
Personally there is nothing about him that I like from what I have seen, but what do I know?
6th-Shareece Wright - CB - USC
Solid.
7th-Jerrod Johnson - QB -Texas A&M
Horrible pick, even as a developmental prospect, IMO..

*Trade
Terrence McGee for 5th and conditional 5th in 2012, bumps up to 4th if he plays at least 78% of D snaps.
Not bad...

Depth Chart
QB - Ryan Fitzpatrick , Tyler Thigpen , Jerrod Johnson
RB - Fred Jackson , C.J. Spiller , Quinton Ganther
FB - Corey McIntyre
TE - Jonathan Stupar, Shawn Nelson , Luke Stocker
Our TE's are horrible...
WR1 - Lee Evans , David Nelson
WR2 - Steve Johnson , Marcus Easley
Slot - Roscoe Parrish , Donald Jones
LT - Demeterius Bell , Ed Wang
LG - Andy Levitre , Kraig Urbik
C - Eric Wood , Geoff Hangartner
RG - Chad Rinehart , Kraig Urbik
RT - Benjamin Ijalana , James Brewer

DE - Dwan Edwards , Alex Carrington , Spencer Johnson
NT - Kyle Williams , Torell Troup
DE - Marcell Dareus , Marcus Stroud
OLB - Jeremy Beal , Antonio Coleman
Moats should be starting here.
ILB - Paul Posluszny , Casey Matthews
ILB - Brandon Siler , Andra Davis
OLB - Shawne Merriman , Arthur Moats , Danny Batten
CB - Drayton Florence , Leodis McKelvin , Reggie Corner , Ashton Youboty , Shareece Wright
SS - George Wilson , Bryan Scott , Ahmad Black
FS - Jairus Byrd , George Wilson

KR - C.J. Spiller , Leodis McKelvin
PR - Roscoe Parrish , C.J. Spiller
K - Rian Lindell
P - Brian Moorman
LS - Garrison Sanborn

Practice Squad
Naaman Roosevelt - WR
Mike Person - OL - Montana State
Kellen Heard - NT
Kenny Rowe - DE/OLB - Oregon
Josh Thomas - CB - Buffalo

Although I do not agree with all of it, nice work.

BuffaloBillsFan
01-28-2011, 05:34 AM
I think that we can minimize our horrible run defense by improving our offense and by putting up points fast, forcing teams to play from behind and throw the football more into our skilled secondary. I'd prefer a draft like this:
*= trade a 3rd and a 4th to move up.

1.) AJ Green, WR, Georgia (6'4 205lbs; a franchise caliber WR, he's been compared to Randy Moss & Calvin Johnson)
2.) Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida (6'4 310; great pedigree, allows us to move Wood to center)
*2b.) DeMarcus Love, OT, Arkansas (6'5 315; a big mobile and physical RT who excels at pass blocking and fast enough to get to the 2nd level in the running game)
4.) Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon (6'2 235lbs; a physical and aggressive linebacker to play alongside Poz)
5.) KJ Wright, OLB, Mississippi St. (6'4 250lbs; could likely play inside as well)
5b.) Tom Keiser, OLB, Stanford (6'5 244lbs; big cerebral linebacker, smart player)
6.) Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton (6'5 340lbs; massive run stopping rotational piece)
7.) Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama (6'3 225lbs; Pennington like QB, very cerebral)

Free agency:
Marcus Spears, DE, Dallas
Vince Young, QB, Titans
Paul Posluszny, ILB, Buffalo
Drayton Florence, CB, Buffalo

Roster:
QB: Fitzpatrick, Young, McElroy
RB: Spiller, Jackson
FB: McIntyre
WR1: Evans, Green, Parrish
WR2: Johnson, Nelson
LT: Demetrius Bell, Demarcus Love
LG: Andy Levitre, Geoff Hangartner
C: Eric Wood, Geoff Hangartner
RG: Mike Pouncey, Kraig Ubrick
RT: DeMarcus Love, Ed Wang


LDE: Marcus Spears, Alex Carrington
NT: Kyle Williams, Torell Troup
RDE: Dwan Edwards, Kenrick Ellis
OLB: Shawne Merriman, KJ Wright
ILB: Paul Posluszny
ILB: Casey Matthews
OLB: Arthur Moats, Tom Keiser
CB1: Leodis McKelvin, Drayton Florence
CB2: Terrence McGee, Reggie Corner
FS: Jairus Byrd, George Wilson
SS: Bryan Scott, George Wilson

EndZoneDB
02-24-2011, 12:57 PM
Right now, i am leaning towards this... but it is so early, a lot can change... especially after the combine.

1) Nick Fairley / Marcel Darius (in that order). DE(3-4) DT(4-3)
2) Jake Locker QB - Looks like he is slipping into the 2nd round. selecting him in the 2nd round takes pressure off of him, he still is talented, and maybe sitting for a while will allow him to work on his accuracy.
3) Luke Stocker TE - One of the only complete TE's in this draft.
4a) Sam Acho OLB - might not last this long, but seems to be one of those guys who does nothing great, but everything well.
4b) Marcus Gilbert OT - will probably move to the right side, but would be a versatile depth player.

Captain Canuck
03-26-2011, 09:07 PM
I've been tinkering with my mock over the past couple weeks a lot, but I think I have it how I like it. Critique is greatly appreciated.

1. Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri/Cam Newton QB Auburn
2. Christian Ballard DE Iowa
3. Kelvin Sheppard ILB LSU
4a. Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
4b. Rob Housler TE Florida Atlantic
5. Cortez Allen CB Citadel
6. Josh Bynes ILB Auburn
7a. Eric Hagg S Nebraska
7b. Allen Bradford RB USC

CJSchneider
04-19-2011, 08:15 AM
I'm acting as the Bills GM in the Forum mock.

So far I selected Von Miller at pick #3 and trade up to select Nate Solder at pick #30.

Any constructive and intelligent feedback is appreciated.

Iamcanadian
04-19-2011, 02:34 PM
I'm acting as the Bills GM in the Forum mock.

So far I selected Von Miller at pick #3 and trade up to select Nate Solder at pick #30.

Any constructive and intelligent feedback is appreciated.

That would be an excellent draft so far but what did you pay to move up and what OLmen were still possibly available at that point.

CJSchneider
04-19-2011, 10:10 PM
I traded 2.3, 4.25 and 6.4. Sherrod was still on the boards, but it turns out GB took him at 32.

debrook5
04-20-2011, 07:27 AM
Round 1 Von Miller OLB

Round 2 Hopefully OT falls out of first Sherrod/Solder/Carimi if not Martez Wilson ILB

Round 3 Greg Jones ILB

Round 4 If OT was taken in round 2 draft Casey Mathews ILB if Wilson was taken draft Marcus Gilbert OT

Round 4 Rob Housler TE

Round 5 Jeron Johnson S

Round 6 Derek Newton OT

Round 7 Ollie Ogbu DT/DE

Round 7 Justin rogers or Josh Thomas CB's

Taking three LB's should cure this group for years to come of course we should resign Poz and keep Moats. Goodbye Maybin and Kelsey to the bench! One of the OT should lock down the right side for years to come. Housler will be a great receiving TE. He has great hands speed and height needs to work on blocking. Ogbu would be depth behind Troup, Carrington, Johnson and Edwards. Need a Veteran QB for back up. No Qb is worth the third pick they are both all hype with people desperate to want to find one. QB drafted next year, that is if fitz doesnt carry on with his play from the last few games last year.

Poz51
04-21-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm acting as the Bills GM in the Forum mock.

So far I selected Von Miller at pick #3 and trade up to select Nate Solder at pick #30.

Any constructive and intelligent feedback is appreciated.

I hope Sherrod was off the board....

Poz51
04-21-2011, 08:18 PM
I traded 2.3, 4.25 and 6.4. Sherrod was still on the boards, but it turns out GB took him at 32.

Lol, of course they did... Sherrod plays in the SE area of the country where Buddy Nix loves to get his players from, I would think that would also mean Sherrod for the Bills with a trade up to get a OT...

Smash28Dash34
04-21-2011, 08:36 PM
1.) Von Miller
2.) Benjamin Ijalana
3.) Marcus Gilchrist
4.) John Moffit
4.) Greg Jones
5.) DJ Williams
6.) Bruce Miller
7.) Chykie Brown
7.) Pat Devlin

redbills
04-22-2011, 09:58 AM
I want Marcell Dareus then Patrick Peterson at #3. If we take Miller I will be pissed i don't care if people think he is a beast. All those same people said the same stuff about Maybin, great first step, speed speed speed. Yes Miller has move moves and isn't a 1 year wonder but Dareus and Peterson are imo sure things where Miller who the hell knows. If we take Gabbert I will punch Nix in the balls.

Dalton in R2 I'll be pissed as well we have him on the team already in Fitz. Ponder blows as well we need a QB with an arm.

redbills
04-22-2011, 01:23 PM
My Mock

1-Patrick Peterson-CB-LSU
2-Brooks Reed-OLB-Arizona
3-Jarvis Jenkins-DE/DT-Clemson
4-Kelvin Sheppard-ILB-LSU
4-Casey Matthews-ILB-Oregon
5-Ahmad Black-SS-Florida
*5-DeMarcus Love-OG-Arkansas
6-David Mims-OT-Virginia Union
7-Zach Pianalto-TE-North Carolina
7-Trevis Turner-OT-Abilene Christian

Yea i know 6 players on D in a row.
Peterson is #1 on my board. Cam and Dareus are gone.
Reed in R2 is better than Miller at 3 imo.
Need another 34 DE.
Kelvin and Casey will give us depth at ILB with one starting by Poz.
I think Black will fall due to size and his work out numbers but he is a player.
Love is a G only and won't go were everyine thought he'd go months ago.
Mims a big boy, lets see if he can become our RT.
Zach good blocking TE to help the LT and RT.
Turner another big boy.

Then in 2012 hope we have pick 1 and get our QB in Luck.

*Terrence McGee for 5th and conditional 5th in 2012, bumps up to 4th if he plays at least 78% of D snaps.

Captain Canuck
04-22-2011, 04:27 PM
I'm getting close to finalizing what I want/expect the Bills to do draft day. In this drat I'm assuming the Carolina takes Newton and Denver takes Dareus. I also think these guys would be #1 and #2 on the Bills board.

If we don't take a QB in the 1st, I don't think we should take one at all. There is no point on reaching for a guy in the 2nd or 3rd who may never be more than a backup, when we should be able to get starters at other positions with those picks. Give with a chance with a stabilized line and healthy WR's and see what he can do being the #1 going into camp. If he fails we will likely have a shot at Barkley, Jones, Foles, Lindley, etc...whoever establishes themselves as the #2 or #3 QB behind Luck. (I don't think we'll be bad enough to have a shot at him)

If we don't address the 5 tech position in the 1st, I think we will wait till the 4th as this is a deep draft for D-line and its likely that the guy we draft will be a rotational player, as I feel Carrington will start. There were some performance metrics on a site that said Carrington was great in the time he played and we needed to give him more playing time.

On to the mock.......

1. Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
2. Derek Sherrod OT Miss St.
3. Kelvin Sheppard ILB LSU
4a. Curtis Marsh CB Utah St.
4b. Lawrence Guy DE Arizona St.
5. Julius Thomas TE Portland St.
6. Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers
7a. Josh Bynes ILB Auburn
7b. Allen Bradford RB USC

What are your thoughts?

CJSchneider
04-28-2011, 05:54 AM
3. Buffalo (4-12) - Von Miller LB/Texas A&M
30. Buffalo Bills (f/ NYJ) (11-5) - Nate Solder OT/Colorado
65. Buffalo (f/ CAR) (2-14) - Andy Dalton QB/TCU
100. Buffalo Bills (4-12) - Casey Matthews LB/Oregon
133. Buffalo (4-12) - Brandon Bair DT/Oregon
245. Buffalo (compensatory) -Darvin Adams WR/Auburn

These were the results of the Bills forum mock. Thoughtful and intelligent comments are appreciated. Keep in mind, I am in no way, shape or form a Bills fan. I was merely serving as their GM for the forum mock.

Poz51
04-28-2011, 07:47 AM
3. Buffalo (4-12) - Von Miller LB/Texas A&M
30. Buffalo Bills (f/ NYJ) (11-5) - Nate Solder OT/Colorado
65. Buffalo (f/ CAR) (2-14) - Andy Dalton QB/TCU
100. Buffalo Bills (4-12) - Casey Matthews LB/Oregon
133. Buffalo (4-12) - Brandon Bair DT/Oregon
245. Buffalo (compensatory) -Darvin Adams WR/Auburn

These were the results of the Bills forum mock. Thoughtful and intelligent comments are appreciated. Keep in mind, I am in no way, shape or form a Bills fan. I was merely serving as their GM for the forum mock.

Miller seems likely if he is not taken by the Broncos, I dont like the trade up for Solder, because he does not help the run game, and I dont think is a significant upgrade over Bell by any means in that department, I also do not see him playing RT, IMO the trade makes little sense, if they trade up it'll be for a QB. Which is why I like the trade up for Dalton, although I think he is long gone in all reality. I think they are looking for more of a "Thumper" next to Poz, however if Poz is declared a FA, and leaves I like the Matthews pick, if not he does not fit what they are looking for. Bair is a good pick, and as a comp pick, Adams is not too bad, although the roster IMO is full at WR, especially with Easley coming back from injury, so I would go in another direction myself.

Poz51
04-28-2011, 08:05 AM
If Newton goes 1, and Miller 2, is anyone else estatic that the choice comes down to Dareus or Peterson? I am... I go Dareus, despite Peterson being #1 overall on my board, and being an L.S.U. fan. Thoughts?

redbills
04-28-2011, 01:41 PM
If Newton goes 1, and Miller 2, is anyone else estatic that the choice comes down to Dareus or Peterson? I am... I go Dareus, despite Peterson being #1 overall on my board, and being an L.S.U. fan. Thoughts?

I'd go Dareus as well.

34 Looks
DE - Edwards - Carrington
NT - Williams - Troupe
DE - Dareus - Johnson

Then you could play with some diff. 43 looks.
Williams moving to UT and Troupe coming in at NT.
Dareus or Edwards kicking inside and putting Moats or Marriman with their hand in the dirt.

redbills
04-28-2011, 01:43 PM
3. Buffalo (4-12) - Von Miller LB/Texas A&M
30. Buffalo Bills (f/ NYJ) (11-5) - Nate Solder OT/Colorado
65. Buffalo (f/ CAR) (2-14) - Andy Dalton QB/TCU
100. Buffalo Bills (4-12) - Casey Matthews LB/Oregon
133. Buffalo (4-12) - Brandon Bair DT/Oregon
245. Buffalo (compensatory) -Darvin Adams WR/Auburn

These were the results of the Bills forum mock. Thoughtful and intelligent comments are appreciated. Keep in mind, I am in no way, shape or form a Bills fan. I was merely serving as their GM for the forum mock.

We should not be moving up at all let alone twice. Bell is the LT and has done well enough, we need a RT. Don't like Dalton. Like Casey. Bair okay. We have WRs lots of decent ones #2's/#3's.

ruthlessrussian
04-28-2011, 04:53 PM
If Newton goes 1, and Miller 2, is anyone else estatic that the choice comes down to Dareus or Peterson? I am... I go Dareus, despite Peterson being #1 overall on my board, and being an L.S.U. fan. Thoughts?


Can we just have both?..

ruthlessrussian
04-28-2011, 04:59 PM
I'm all about Peterson but you can't pass on Dareus if he is there.

SO! Hypothetically we go Dareus at 3.. Who are we taking in round 2?

IMO we stick with defense and go Brooks Reed. Followed by Sheppard in the 3rd.

redbills
04-28-2011, 07:29 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now in R2 see what Qbs are there, i'd only go Colin K. or Locker. Reed would be a nice get unless you think Locker or Colin can lead your team. Sheppard in R4 sounds good to me too.

BuckeyeDan17
04-28-2011, 07:32 PM
**** you arizona for taking peterson son of a ******* *****.

redbills
04-28-2011, 07:40 PM
wrong forum dude.

Iamcanadian
04-29-2011, 12:31 AM
So far so good. Of course our OL is a sieve and we don't have a franchise QB and we won't be a contender again next year but there is always eternal hope.

ruthlessrussian
04-29-2011, 12:36 AM
So far so good. Of course our OL is a sieve and we don't have a franchise QB and we won't be a contender again next year but there is always eternal hope.

Yeah, about that...

Poz51
04-29-2011, 07:16 AM
Can we just have both?..

I wish....

Poz51
04-29-2011, 07:30 AM
Now that Dareus is on board (Poz51 Smiles, and was giddy last night...), I think they have a great chance to continue building in round 2.

Personally I want Rudolph ("banging the table"), I think his ability to block and improve in that department, in addition to his catching ability and being a threat in the passing game would do wonders for the offense, but for the first time in almost two decades the Bills took the guy I thought was the best pick in the draft for them, so I am not going to push my luck...

Daquan Bowers? Brooks Reed? Martez Wilson? Justin Houston? Akeem Ayers?
or do they grab a Ryan Mallett, Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick?

I like the thought of adding Reed myself, and Sheppard in round 3 or 4, although I really like the thought of going Rudolph then Sheppard with our next two picks (as long as they are there), as it would give us 3 starters with our first three picks, the defense would improve, as would the offense...

Although a draft of Dareus, Reed, and Sheppard would be huge defensively.

Rob S
04-29-2011, 01:36 PM
I think Dareus and Brooks Reed would compeltely transform this defense. I really like our line if Troup develops, I think Kyle Williams can handle end.

Dareus-Troup-Williams

Thats a great line right there. Get Brooks Reed in to upgrade the pass rush and we are looking much better. Will take some pressure off the corners too and I think McKelvin will step up. Playing CB for the Bills was a nightmare last year (you need to creep in to help out our god awful run D and when you are in coverage, you know that QB is going to have all day). All in all, we can get better on defense during these 3 days, a lot better.

Offense will still blow, which is a blessing in disguise. I don't see us winning more than 6 games next year and hopefully we can get a piece of the stud QB class next year. We wont get Luck, but add Barkley or Foles and pick up a LT in the 2nd and we could be in business. Things are looking up for the Buffalo Bills. God, thats the first time I said that in awhile.......

ruthlessrussian
04-29-2011, 04:04 PM
Now that Dareus is on board (Poz51 Smiles, and was giddy last night...), I think they have a great chance to continue building in round 2.

Personally I want Rudolph ("banging the table"), I think his ability to block and improve in that department, in addition to his catching ability and being a threat in the passing game would do wonders for the offense, but for the first time in almost two decades the Bills took the guy I thought was the best pick in the draft for them, so I am not going to push my luck...

Daquan Bowers? Brooks Reed? Martez Wilson? Justin Houston? Akeem Ayers?
or do they grab a Ryan Mallett, Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick?

I like the thought of adding Reed myself, and Sheppard in round 3 or 4, although I really like the thought of going Rudolph then Sheppard with our next two picks (as long as they are there), as it would give us 3 starters with our first three picks, the defense would improve, as would the offense...

Although a draft of Dareus, Reed, and Sheppard would be huge defensively.

There are really SOO many options for this pick..

Rudolph would kill but shoring up the pass rush needs to take priority and thats why I am thinking Reed.

But you mention Wilson, Houston, and Ayers..

I wonder who the FO considers to be the top pass rusher at this point?

ruthlessrussian
04-29-2011, 04:04 PM
I think Dareus and Brooks Reed would compeltely transform this defense. I really like our line if Troup develops, I think Kyle Williams can handle end.

Dareus-Troup-Williams

Thats a great line right there. Get Brooks Reed in to upgrade the pass rush and we are looking much better. Will take some pressure off the corners too and I think McKelvin will step up. Playing CB for the Bills was a nightmare last year (you need to creep in to help out our god awful run D and when you are in coverage, you know that QB is going to have all day). All in all, we can get better on defense during these 3 days, a lot better.

Offense will still blow, which is a blessing in disguise. I don't see us winning more than 6 games next year and hopefully we can get a piece of the stud QB class next year. We wont get Luck, but add Barkley or Foles and pick up a LT in the 2nd and we could be in business. Things are looking up for the Buffalo Bills. God, thats the first time I said that in awhile.......

I completely agree

ruthlessrussian
04-29-2011, 04:08 PM
Do any of you guys think Ijalana would be worth it at this point? or who are you liking of the OT's remaining?

Iamcanadian
04-30-2011, 12:31 AM
I think Dareus and Brooks Reed would compeltely transform this defense. I really like our line if Troup develops, I think Kyle Williams can handle end.

Dareus-Troup-Williams

Thats a great line right there. Get Brooks Reed in to upgrade the pass rush and we are looking much better. Will take some pressure off the corners too and I think McKelvin will step up. Playing CB for the Bills was a nightmare last year (you need to creep in to help out our god awful run D and when you are in coverage, you know that QB is going to have all day). All in all, we can get better on defense during these 3 days, a lot better.

Offense will still blow, which is a blessing in disguise. I don't see us winning more than 6 games next year and hopefully we can get a piece of the stud QB class next year. We wont get Luck, but add Barkley or Foles and pick up a LT in the 2nd and we could be in business. Things are looking up for the Buffalo Bills. God, thats the first time I said that in awhile.......

I would agree but only if we can convince Ralph Wilson to keep our impact players on the roster when they become FA's. In the past, he has let our stars go to other teams as soon as he had to pay them serious money.
I'm not convinced he has the will to win any longer and I'm afraid, we will just have to wait till he passes the team on to somebody else who has the determination to succeed.

Rosebud
04-30-2011, 02:05 AM
I would agree but only if we can convince Ralph Wilson to keep our impact players on the roster when they become FA's. In the past, he has let our stars go to other teams as soon as he had to pay them serious money.
I'm not convinced he has the will to win any longer and I'm afraid, we will just have to wait till he passes the team on to somebody else who has the determination to succeed.

Jason Peters is really the only guy in recent memory who fits what you're describing and he clearly wanted more money than he was worth and started rocking the boat.

Iamcanadian
04-30-2011, 03:07 AM
Jason Peters is really the only guy in recent memory who fits what you're describing and he clearly wanted more money than he was worth and started rocking the boat.

What about Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield in their prime, both all pro CB's when they left via FA.
Philly didn't think Peters wasn't worth the money, name another team that let these kind of foundation players just walk away. Peters simply wanted to be paid the going rate for a top LT in the NFL and Ralph refused to pay him accordingly. That is Ralph's track record in the Cap era which is why it has been so long since we have been a serious contender in the NFL. He's cheap, cheap and more cheap.

ruthlessrussian
04-30-2011, 02:59 PM
What about Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield in their prime, both all pro CB's when they left via FA.
Philly didn't think Peters wasn't worth the money, name another team that let these kind of foundation players just walk away. Peters simply wanted to be paid the going rate for a top LT in the NFL and Ralph refused to pay him accordingly. That is Ralph's track record in the Cap era which is why it has been so long since we have been a serious contender in the NFL. He's cheap, cheap and more cheap.

Winfield yes. Pat Williams yes. Clements no way! Not that I didn't love the guy while he was a Bill, but in all honesty, would you have really wanted to keep him with a similar sized contract to the one he got from the 49ers?..

And with Peters we got got compensation so losing him was not all that bad.

But I do get what your saying. We do need to stop drafting to fill holes.

Gay Ork Wang
05-01-2011, 12:42 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/28617/bills-draft-pick-weighed-448-in-january

I think you got yourself a steal

Rosebud
05-01-2011, 02:11 PM
What about Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield in their prime, both all pro CB's when they left via FA.
Philly didn't think Peters wasn't worth the money, name another team that let these kind of foundation players just walk away. Peters simply wanted to be paid the going rate for a top LT in the NFL and Ralph refused to pay him accordingly. That is Ralph's track record in the Cap era which is why it has been so long since we have been a serious contender in the NFL. He's cheap, cheap and more cheap.

I'll agree with you on Winfield, but Nate Clements was horribly overpaid, top teams like New England, Philadelphia and the Giants would have done the exact same thing, that was just too much money tied into one player who wasn't worth it, that's not being cheap.

ruthlessrussian
05-01-2011, 05:21 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/28617/bills-draft-pick-weighed-448-in-january

I think you got yourself a steal

Riiight?

Really, for a 7th round pick, regardless of size and athleticism, I have little expectation for him to contribute to this team.

Though I also thought the same thing about Stevie Johnson..

Vox Populi
05-02-2011, 08:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/28617/bills-draft-pick-weighed-448-in-january

I think you got yourself a steal

Thats so awesome. I'm really interested in seeing what happens with him over the next three years (assuming he makes it through TC and at least onto the PS)

Poz51
05-06-2011, 09:15 AM
We wont get Luck, but add Barkley or Foles and pick up a LT in the 2nd and we could be in business. Things are looking up for the Buffalo Bills. God, thats the first time I said that in awhile.......

I completely agree with things looking up, the last two drafts actually make sense and show direction. Landry from Oklahoma is a kid I will be watching very closely this year, if he improves his accuracy and descision making I think he has franchise/top five written all over him. I like the direction they are heading in alot, for the first time in a while indeed...

Iamcanadian
05-07-2011, 08:51 AM
I'll believe it when Ralph actually signs some of his top players to large contracts rather than see them leave through FA or trades. It has been awhile since he has done it.
I'm hearing that Whitner is as good as gone.

Buffalo M
05-08-2011, 05:29 PM
The draft was excellent for getting 3 guys who may play a lot early, plus a few others who will be carried as backups. Dareus was outstanding.

Poz51
05-09-2011, 07:26 AM
I'll believe it when Ralph actually signs some of his top players to large contracts rather than see them leave through FA or trades. It has been awhile since he has done it.
I'm hearing that Whitner is as good as gone.

The draft was excellent for getting 3 guys who may play a lot early, plus a few others who will be carried as backups. Dareus was outstanding.

Ralph is going to have to keep some guys around if he truely wants to win a super bowl, and im not talking about Chris Kelsey...
The talk would certainly lead you to believe that he is here for one more year depending on the CBA or out the door. So it looks like the drafting of DaNorris Searcy means there could be 4 guys who play alot early (if Whitner leaves), which IMO is good news as Dareus, Williams, Sheppard and Searcy, with Carrington, Troup, Moats and last years guys have a chance to really grow together, plus the depth behind should only enhance the team.
Do you guys think they should shift the focus to offense in the draft, keep it on defense, or can they start mixing the two?

Iamcanadian
05-09-2011, 11:36 AM
Ralph is going to have to keep some guys around if he truely wants to win a super bowl, and im not talking about Chris Kelsey...
The talk would certainly lead you to believe that he is here for one more year depending on the CBA or out the door. So it looks like the drafting of DaNorris Searcy means there could be 4 guys who play alot early (if Whitner leaves), which IMO is good news as Dareus, Williams, Sheppard and Searcy, with Carrington, Troup, Moats and last years guys have a chance to really grow together, plus the depth behind should only enhance the team.
Do you guys think they should shift the focus to offense in the draft, keep it on defense, or can they start mixing the two?

I'm sorry, but I see no sign that Ralph has a commitment to winning, he may fantasize about it, but he just won't spend the money to make Buffalo a winner again. That is the bottom line.

Poz51
05-10-2011, 08:53 AM
I'm sorry, but I see no sign that Ralph has a commitment to winning, he may fantasize about it, but he just won't spend the money to make Buffalo a winner again. That is the bottom line.

I can clearly understand any scheptism with Ralph. Im not sure if he is all in with regards to winning. I do think he is making a commitment towards winning in letting Nix (an actual personnel man) run the show. Money is clearly an issue, to what degree I dont know, I dont have access to his books. I would love to see him spend money on players who are worth keeping around (Winfield for example) and fit what they are doing on the field, instead of his "loyal soldiers" (I.E. Kelsey). Winning changes everything, hopefully if Ralph is still around when it happens he opens up the wallet, he has done it in the past, he did spend to keep Bruce, Thurman, Kelly, Reed and Co. around util they were no longer worth what they were asking for in certain situations.

Iamcanadian
05-12-2011, 10:06 PM
I can clearly understand any scheptism with Ralph. Im not sure if he is all in with regards to winning. I do think he is making a commitment towards winning in letting Nix (an actual personnel man) run the show. Money is clearly an issue, to what degree I dont know, I dont have access to his books. I would love to see him spend money on players who are worth keeping around (Winfield for example) and fit what they are doing on the field, instead of his "loyal soldiers" (I.E. Kelsey). Winning changes everything, hopefully if Ralph is still around when it happens he opens up the wallet, he has done it in the past, he did spend to keep Bruce, Thurman, Kelly, Reed and Co. around util they were no longer worth what they were asking for in certain situations.

Unfortunately, FA and cap limits didn't exist during the Bills heyday under Kelly, etc. He could keep them on his roster for a pittance of what it would cost today. Thankfully, he is in his 90's and a new owner will be in place not too long in the future.

Poz51
05-13-2011, 10:24 AM
Unfortunately, FA and cap limits didn't exist during the Bills heyday under Kelly, etc. He could keep them on his roster for a pittance of what it would cost today. Thankfully, he is in his 90's and a new owner will be in place not too long in the future.

While true, the old "10%" system, or what ever it was called, and Plan B free agency cost the Bills in the personnel department when those systems ended and FA started, but remember, Thurman Thomas was the highest paid back in the league until E. Smith was given a better contract by something like $50,000-$100,000, and When Jimbo finally came aboard he was given the richest contract in the league at the time in 1986, although it was only for something like 1.5 million per year, at the time that was serious coin. Ralph spends the money when he believes in doing so, he even gave Rob Johnson a 5 year 25 million dollar deal. Maybe a pittance in comparison to today, but in reality Ralph has spent in the past, and when he did it was not cheaply.

Iamcanadian
05-13-2011, 11:13 AM
While true, the old "10%" system, or what ever it was called, and Plan B free agency cost the Bills in the personnel department when those systems ended and FA started, but remember, Thurman Thomas was the highest paid back in the league until E. Smith was given a better contract by something like $50,000-$100,000, and When Jimbo finally came aboard he was given the richest contract in the league at the time in 1986, although it was only for something like 1.5 million per year, at the time that was serious coin. Ralph spends the money when he believes in doing so, he even gave Rob Johnson a 5 year 25 million dollar deal. Maybe a pittance in comparison to today, but in reality Ralph has spent in the past, and when he did it was not cheaply.

We have to face it, there is a huge difference between what he was forced to pay Kelly and the 14-20 million, a top QB gets today. Ditto, for other positions.
I'd bet you that Ralph was taking home 4 x the profit he currently makes from his team, maybe even more. That is clearly why, we haven't done very well since FA and the cap came into existence.