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Fat_Actor
08-12-2010, 08:29 PM
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/11/derrick-brooks-annouces-retirement/

Definite HOF and he was one of the greatest.

yourfavestoner
08-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Yes, he is easily a Hall of Famer. Probably won't be first ballot, but he'll get in.

Jimmy
08-12-2010, 09:20 PM
Derrick. You make all us Brookses proud. Thanks for making us baller.

yourfavestoner
08-12-2010, 09:25 PM
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One of my favorites growing up.

Saints-Tigers
08-12-2010, 09:38 PM
Dude was dominant.

5 touchdowns in one season from a LB? Come on man, Darren McFadden has 5 career touchdowns.

Brodeur
08-12-2010, 09:54 PM
One of the greatest is kind of a stretch, and the only total lock of a hall of famer from that Bucs defense is Warren Sapp.

Shiver
08-12-2010, 10:26 PM
One of the greatest is kind of a stretch, and the only total lock of a hall of famer from that Bucs defense is Warren Sapp.


Yes, sir. As time has progressed the Bucs defense will be remembered for big #99. Lynch, Barber, Brooks were all very good, even great players. But hall of fame worthy? I don't think so. Then again, I am much stricter than most and there are plenty of guys in Canton right now that I don't think ought to have been inducted.

steelersfan43
08-12-2010, 10:30 PM
Man has heart. Loved that TB defense. HOF fo sho

yourfavestoner
08-12-2010, 10:44 PM
Yes, sir. As time has progressed the Bucs defense will be remembered for big #99. Lynch, Barber, Brooks were all very good, even great players. But hall of fame worthy? I don't think so. Then again, I am much stricter than most and there are plenty of guys in Canton right now that I don't think ought to have been inducted.

I used to say that too. But Brooks has every HOF credential you need.

That unit was dominant for a long, long time and Sapp and Brooks were the two best players the entire reign. He's got a ring, and had long-term dominance a six-time first team All-Pro, three-time second team All-Pro, and an eleven time Pro Bowler, and won DPOTY once. He is every bit the standard bearer of the weakside Cover Two linebacker that Jack Ham is.

Sapp will be the first guy voted in, and a first balloter, but I have no doubt Brooks will get in, too. Doesn't hurt that the media absolutely loves him, too.

I agree though, that Lynch and Barber are not Hall of Famers.

XxXdragonXxX
08-12-2010, 10:46 PM
Wait....there are people that don't think Brooks is a lock for first ballot? Sapp before Brooks? REALLY?


Sapp only gets in first because he retired first.

yourfavestoner
08-12-2010, 10:48 PM
Wait....there are people that don't think Brooks is a lock for first ballot? Sapp before Brooks? REALLY?

Yes, really. Sapp was the more dominant player during their primes.

XxXdragonXxX
08-12-2010, 10:54 PM
Yes, really. Sapp was the more dominant player during their primes.


They were both very dominant during their primes. Brooks did it longer.

Brooks was the absolute best OLB in the league for what, 10 years?

Brodeur
08-12-2010, 11:00 PM
They were both very dominant during their primes. Brooks did it longer.

Brooks was the absolute best OLB in the league for what, 10 years?

Maybe four years.

yourfavestoner
08-12-2010, 11:03 PM
They were both very dominant during their primes. Brooks did it longer.

Brooks was the absolute best OLB in the league for what, 10 years?

Everything else being equal, the sack numbers Sapp put up as a DT overwhelm anything Brooks did.

XxXdragonXxX
08-12-2010, 11:06 PM
I'm struggling to think of another OLB that had anywhere near the run Brooks had.

Brodeur
08-12-2010, 11:11 PM
I'm struggling to think of another OLB that had anywhere near the run Brooks had.

http://insiderspassport.com/images/lawrence_taylor.jpg

Saints-Tigers
08-12-2010, 11:13 PM
http://insiderspassport.com/images/lawrence_taylor.jpg


You make a good point.

yourfavestoner
08-12-2010, 11:14 PM
I'm struggling to think of another OLB that had anywhere near the run Brooks had.

I'm not trying to disparage Brooks as a player at all. He's deserving of being a first balloter. It doesn't mean that he will be. It's incredibly difficult to get in on your first year of eligibility.

Now, would it surprise me? No. Especially with how loved he is by the media and sportswriters (who are the HOF voters).

XxXdragonXxX
08-12-2010, 11:16 PM
Everything else being equal, the sack numbers Sapp put up as a DT overwhelm anything Brooks did.

But....nothing else is equal. Brooks beats Sapp everywhere.

XxXdragonXxX
08-12-2010, 11:17 PM
http://insiderspassport.com/images/lawrence_taylor.jpg


Um, I was talking about recently, like during the time Brooks played. Who was better than Brooks during his 10 straight pro-bowls?

yourfavestoner
08-12-2010, 11:22 PM
But....nothing else is equal. Brooks beats Sapp everywhere.

Meh, that's extremely debatable. It's much, much more difficult to have consistent year to year production at defensive tackle than at linebacker. And while the WLB is important, UT is by far the most important position of that scheme.

BeerBaron
08-12-2010, 11:47 PM
Something to keep in mind with anyone who might be a HoFer over the next 5 years or so is the backlog I'm expecting....

Guys who might be first balloters during down years might have to wait a few.

katnip
08-13-2010, 12:22 AM
Yes, he is easily a Hall of Famer. Probably won't be first ballot, but he'll get in.

this I agree with

TACKLE
08-13-2010, 01:52 AM
Derrick Brooks set the prototype for a Tampa 2 LB. He was the best OLB in the NFL this decade. A definite HoFer. I agree that he probably won't a first ballot selection but he'll get in eventually.

Paranoidmoonduck
08-13-2010, 01:53 AM
Um, I was talking about recently, like during the time Brooks played. Who was better than Brooks during his 10 straight pro-bowls?

Junior Seau comes to mind. He's probably more of a shoe-in that Brooks is.

Brooks should get in though. Like most have already said, he's far from a 1st ballot lock, but he'll be a finalist in his first year and should make it in before too long. He was every bit a generation defining linebacker as Junior Seau and Ray Lewis were.

themaninblack
08-13-2010, 12:11 PM
I'd be very surprised if he wasn't a first ballot HOFer. We need to get him to Cincy to take Keith Rivers under his wing, teach him a thing or two.

thenewfeature06
08-13-2010, 12:13 PM
I can see some similarities seriously with Brooks and Rivers, one being there lateral speed tracking down the stretches. Brooks coaching that core would be pretty cool to see.

bigbluedefense
08-13-2010, 12:44 PM
I used to say that too. But Brooks has every HOF credential you need.

That unit was dominant for a long, long time and Sapp and Brooks were the two best players the entire reign. He's got a ring, and had long-term dominance a six-time first team All-Pro, three-time second team All-Pro, and an eleven time Pro Bowler, and won DPOTY once. He is every bit the standard bearer of the weakside Cover Two linebacker that Jack Ham is.

Sapp will be the first guy voted in, and a first balloter, but I have no doubt Brooks will get in, too. Doesn't hurt that the media absolutely loves him, too.

I agree though, that Lynch and Barber are not Hall of Famers.

I feel this way. Sapp and Brooks are HOFers.

Brooks was very important to that Tampa 2. He was responsible for all that underneath coverage. And he was a beast for a long time.

He's a HOFer to me. But only him and Sapp from that unit.

lowlife
08-13-2010, 01:14 PM
He was an ironman, 221 consecutive starts, played big in big games, 2002 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, and was the unquestioned leaders on one of the better defenses in NFL history.

Arguably the greatest Buccaneer of all time (Lee Roy and Sapp are right up there).

You can't discount his off-field impact as well with his charities and youth advocacy groups. Won Walter Payton Man of the Year in 2000.

I say he's first ballot, but I'm biased.

FlyingElvis
08-13-2010, 01:54 PM
He has an incredible list of accomplishments on and off the field. The guy deserves to be a first ballot inductee and I hope it happens that way.

His candidacy dates back to 2009 since he didn't play last year, correct? So who will the first ballot competition be for his class? Ogden? Seau? Who else?

Shiver
08-13-2010, 01:55 PM
Upon thinking about this: Brooks yes, no first ballot (Cris Carter had to wait). Lynch and Barber shouldn't even be mentioned in the discussion though.

CC.SD
08-13-2010, 02:33 PM
I'm struggling to think of another OLB that had anywhere near the run Brooks had.

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Brodeur
08-13-2010, 04:16 PM
I really hate classifying guys as first ballot or not first ballot hall of famers, and I have that same problem with baseball. Either they're a hall of famer immediately, or they aren't (and I think Brooks is, but I don't think he's a total slam dunk pick like Sapp).

boknows34
08-13-2010, 05:12 PM
He has an incredible list of accomplishments on and off the field. The guy deserves to be a first ballot inductee and I hope it happens that way.

His candidacy dates back to 2009 since he didn't play last year, correct? So who will the first ballot competition be for his class? Ogden? Seau? Who else?

These are the notable first-time eligibles for the next few years.

2011 - Deion Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, Willie Roaf
2012 - Bill Parcells, Will Shields
2013 - Jon Ogden, Michael Strahan, Warren Sapp, Larry Allen, Morten Andersen, John Lynch (agree he has v.little chance, esp with the calibre of the other names around him)
2014 - Derrick Brooks, Marvin Harrison, Zach Thomas, Tony Dungy, Mike Holmgren
2015 - Junior Seau, Kurt Warner, Walter Jones, Isaac Bruce, Orlando Pace (if he officially retires)

2050 at this rate - Brett Favre

Just goes to show how much the backlog of names is going to grow over the next few years when only a max of 5 modern era candidates are elected each year.

Future HOF locks like Favre, Ray Lewis, Tony Gonzalez and LaDainian Tomlinson are in their twilight years while Ed Reed has been talking retirement too. After that its going to be Moss, TO, Hutchinson, Mawae, Jason Taylor, Brian Dawkins, Adam Vinatieri and Champ Bailey, all fighting for places. Torry Holt and Edge James are suddenly looking like 'future HOFers' that might have to wait for many years to hear their names called.

Add the holdovers still waiting for Canton including Cris Carter, Dermontti Dawson, Richard Dent, Tim Brown, Shannon Sharpe, Cortez Kennedy and Andre Reed and its obvious the fight for places in the next decade is going to be brutal.

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Brodeur
08-13-2010, 05:23 PM
If Vinatieri gets into the hall of fame, I will jump into a pit of lava.

XxXdragonXxX
08-13-2010, 08:18 PM
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Ahem, like I clarified a couple posts later, I'm talking about recently, not the LT days. Seau has been mentioned, and yeah he slipped my mind, 12 straight pro-bowls...I still think Brooks was a better player.

Name another that had that kind of run or close to it, you know, instead of posting a stupid picture without actually putting together a complete thought.

molenguinurtle
08-13-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm interested in hearing why y'all don't think Ronde Barber and Simeon Rice are HOFs...

XxXdragonXxX
08-13-2010, 08:45 PM
I'm interested in hearing why y'all don't think Ronde Barber and Simeon Rice are HOFs...


8 combined pro-bowls is getting them nowhere. Barber has the best chance of the 2 but he'll have to wait a while...he has a very outside chance. Simeon Rice? Not a chance in hell.


If you absolutely have to take 3 from that defense, the 3rd would be John Lynch. One of the most feared hitters in the NFL during his prime, and not a liability in coverage like most big hitters, 9 time pro-bowler....still most likely won't make it for a while atleast.

wonderbredd24
08-13-2010, 08:47 PM
Brooks and Sapp are the only 2 guys that should be in the Hall of Fame from that defense.

Guys like John Lynch, Ronde Barber, Simeon Rice, and Hardy Nickerson are very nice players, but not Hall of Fame players.

Isn't Rice still playing in the UFL?

FUNBUNCHER
08-14-2010, 10:01 AM
Kevin Greene deserves a spot in the HOF too. The greatest pass-rushing 3-4 outside LB in the history of the game.
Perfect example of a guy getting lost in the wash after he retired, 3rd alltime with 160 sacks, recording 27 sacks his last two years in the league at the age of 36 and 37.

Anyone who gets into the HOF from here on out on the first ballot will have to be considered one of the best, if not THE BEST, player at his position for his generation.

Brooks is an automatic for Canton IMO. First ballot, I don't think so, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did go in his first time eligible, simply because the dude is so highly respected by the mediots.

wonderbredd24
08-14-2010, 10:03 AM
Kevin Greene deserves a spot in the HOF too. The greatest pass-rushing 3-4 outside LB in the history of the game.
Perfect example of a guy getting lost in the wash after he retired, 3rd alltime with 160 sacks, recording 27 sacks his last two years in the league at the age of 36 and 37.

Anyone who gets into the HOF from here on out on the first ballot will have to be considered one of the best, if not THE BEST, player at his position for his generation.

Brooks is an automatic for Canton IMO. First ballot, I don't think so, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did go in his first time eligible, simply because the dude is so highly respected by the mediots.

Better than Lawrence Taylor?

Isn't Kevin Greene in the Hall of Fame?

FUNBUNCHER
08-14-2010, 10:58 AM
There is/was no better 3-4 'backer rushing the passer, yes, that includes LT.

LT could rush the QB, cover TEs and RBs all over the field, and stuff the run. Kevin Greene was a little more of a specialist in that he basically was a stand-up DE, more so really than Lawrence Taylor.

molenguinurtle
08-14-2010, 09:55 PM
Allow me to play devil's advocate and forgive me if I sound pretentious, but why specifically wouldn't Ronde Barber make the Hall? I mean, we're talking about how Brooks basically laid the blueprint for the Tampa 2 outside LB. I feel like the argument can easily be made that Barber did the same for Tampa 2 corners. And the man doesn't lack for accomplishments. One look at his wikipedia page will show as much.

5 Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008)
3 First-Team All-Pro selection (2001, 2004, 2005)
2 Second-Team All-Pro selection (2002, 2006)
Super Bowl champion (Super Bowl XXXVII)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
20/20 Club, 1st and only cornerback member
Buccaneers Interceptions (All-Time)
Led the NFL in interceptions with Anthony Henry in 2001
Led the NFL in interception touchdowns in 2006 with Chris McAlister and Jason Taylor

???

Paranoidmoonduck
08-14-2010, 09:59 PM
Brooks didn't lay the blueprint. He was just about as close as anyone has gotten to matching the blueprint Jack Ham laid out in the 70's.

As for Barber, he may get in, but in general corners who played only cover 2 are given a lot less respect that those who played significant snaps in man coverage. Barber excelled in what he was asked to do, but no one really ever argued that he was among the best at his position when great athletes were being put on an island every week and having success.

Fair or not, that's the deal with Barber.

molenguinurtle
08-14-2010, 10:12 PM
^^^ That's fair enough. And thanks for the Jack Ham correction. Hopefully the way Cover 2 corners are looked at changes in the future.

FUNBUNCHER
08-15-2010, 12:14 AM
Ronde has the resume, but I don't think he has the rep to make the Hall.

I'd have no problem seeing him inducted though.

Caddy
08-15-2010, 12:23 AM
Derrick Brooks is an absolute legend and will certainly make the HoF. Maybe not first ballot depending on who is up for nomination at the time, but he will go close.

Ronde on the other hand has had a career deserving of the HoF, but I get the feeling he may just fall to the way side when it comes to actual voting.