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Mr. Goosemahn
08-22-2010, 03:52 PM
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Greg Romeus - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41940
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Jonathan Baldwin - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42075
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Evan Royster - http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42240
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http://tommeltonscouting.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/nate-solder-21.jpg

OT Nate Solder, Colorado
6'8 - 302 lbs. - Senior

Highlights!

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Good athlete for a guy his size, but isn't very dominant. Could be stronger, and I think he could definitely add some healthy weight.

cajuncorey
08-22-2010, 04:08 PM
Id say hes a rich mans bruce campbell with a 474 pound hang clean

wonderbredd24
08-22-2010, 04:19 PM
He could be a better run blocker, but he's a tremendous blind side protector and he's got great athleticism.

BeerBaron
08-22-2010, 04:19 PM
302 is real light for 6'8...going to need some more bulk on his frame or he's going to have a hell of a time with leverage in the pros.

MidwayMonster31
08-22-2010, 04:58 PM
He might take a couple years with his strength and technique, but he's got some nice tools to work with. Teams who can afford to wait, like Tennessee or Miami, should take a shot at him in the late 2nd or early 3rd round.

wonderbredd24
08-22-2010, 05:13 PM
He might take a couple years with his strength and technique, but he's got some nice tools to work with. Teams who can afford to wait, like Tennessee or Miami, should take a shot at him in the late 2nd or early 3rd round.

Depending on who you talk to, he's the best tackle in the draft and he's only a junior, right? He's certainly not going to come out early to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick

MidwayMonster31
08-22-2010, 05:17 PM
Depending on who you talk to, he's the best tackle in the draft and he's only a junior, right? He's certainly not going to come out early to be a 2nd or 3rd round pickNope. He's a senior. But yeah, I can see somebody (Colts?) drafting him in the first round. Draft scout has him rated pretty high as a first rounder, and we'll see what Scott Wright thinks soon.

wonderbredd24
08-22-2010, 05:19 PM
Nope. He's a senior. But yeah, I can see somebody (Colts?) drafting him in the first round. Draft scout has him rated pretty high as a first rounder, and we'll see what Scott thinks soon.
Who the hell is this Scott?

BeerBaron
08-22-2010, 05:52 PM
Eh, I think first round is a little bit of a stretch. We've seen some thinner, more athletic tackles slide in recent drafts in William Beatty and Charles Brown.

Day One Pick
08-22-2010, 06:04 PM
I've seen him rated as the top OT in the class. That's really high in my opinion. I see him more as a mid 2nd round guy at this point. But who knows, this OT class isn't very good.

wonderbredd24
08-22-2010, 06:10 PM
Eh, I think first round is a little bit of a stretch. We've seen some thinner, more athletic tackles slide in recent drafts in William Beatty and Charles Brown.

Brown and Beatty played closer to 285 and then tried to beef up before the draft.

Solder has 2-3" on them and is already over 300lbs. Putting some weight on him shouldn't be that difficult

BeerBaron
08-22-2010, 06:14 PM
Brown and Beatty played closer to 285 and then tried to beef up before the draft.

Solder has 2-3" on them and is already over 300lbs. Putting some weight on him shouldn't be that difficult

His 2-3" just scales him up. He may be over 300, but he is also taller.

wonderbredd24
08-22-2010, 06:25 PM
His 2-3" just scales him up. He may be over 300, but he is also taller.

Joe Thomas was 6'6" 310lbs when he came out.
D'Brickashaw Ferguson was 6'5" 305 I believe when he came out.
Russell Okung was 6'5" 310lbs.

There are a lot of things that could hold this guy back, but I really, really dobut weight is going to be one of those things. He's got an enormous frame to add weight

BeerBaron
08-22-2010, 06:30 PM
Joe Thomas was 6'6" 310lbs when he came out.
D'Brickashaw Ferguson was 6'5" 305 I believe when he came out.
Russell Okung was 6'5" 310lbs.

There are a lot of things that could hold this guy back, but I really, really dobut weight is going to be one of those things. He's got an enormous frame to add weight

They aren't 6'8 though. And as we're starting to see the emergence of short, 6'1 and under DEs and 3-4 OLBs, super tall OTs without the bulk are going to get out muscled by these shorter pass rushers with a major leverage advantage. Before he can be a real high draft pick, I'd like to see him put that weight on or else he's going to be a short term project as he'll need a year to put on the muscle needed to stand up in the pros.

CashmoneyDrew
08-22-2010, 06:33 PM
He might take a couple years with his strength and technique, but he's got some nice tools to work with. Teams who can afford to wait, like Tennessee or Miami, should take a shot at him in the late 2nd or early 3rd round.

Tennessee cannot afford to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on an OT.

Carry on.

FUNBUNCHER
08-22-2010, 06:43 PM
Ogden didn't weigh much more than this kid when he came out of UCLA, and he's 6'9.

If the athleticism is there, bulk and strength are the easiest aspects to improve in a player's game.

Solder probably has a six pack and doesn't want to see it go bye-bye.

cajuncorey
08-22-2010, 10:56 PM
Nate Solder is not going to get outmuscled he is strong as an oxe... though he may get out leveraged. ive heard hes very flexible says the strength coach. give him a year or two he seems like a hard working kid.

and heres some food for thought

Nate Solder, OT, Colorado Buffaloes
It's been a tough road for Buffs coach Dan Hawkins, especially since many of his highly touted recruits have fizzled in Boulder. But don't blame Solder, an unheralded prospect, who has really developed. Solder's measurables, according to CU strength and conditioning, are awe-inspiring. At 6-foot-8, 305 pounds, he has only 6.5 percent body fat. He power-cleans 415 for three reps, hang-cleans 473 for three reps and has been clocked in the 40 in 4.91 seconds. He also has vertical-jumped 32 inches.

"At 6-8, Nate bends as well as anyone on the team," said CU strength coach Jeff Pitman.

FUNBUNCHER
08-23-2010, 02:09 AM
Just watched that youtube clip, the kid doesn't look very good from a technical aspect when it comes to blocking. He doesn't get beat initially, but he has difficulty sustaining blocks for some reason. I wonder about Solder's leg drive, Mizzou has smallish DEs who were moving him off the point.

That whiff on a pass block at 3:01 is AWFUL!!!

He needs more overall bulk and strength and more work on his technique IMO.
I didn't see a top 15 OT playing against Mizzou. Too raw, but a year or two in an NFL team strength/conditioning program and he looks like he could be a quality starter.

His lateral movement is average to poor; active DEs who can move side to side eat Solder alive.

Mr.Regular
08-23-2010, 04:03 AM
Just watched that youtube clip, the kid doesn't look very good from a technical aspect when it comes to blocking. He doesn't get beat initially, but he has difficulty sustaining blocks for some reason. I wonder about Solder's leg drive, Mizzou has smallish DEs who were moving him off the point.

That whiff on a pass block at 3:01 is AWFUL!!!

He needs more overall bulk and strength a more work on his technique IMO.
I didn't see a top 15 OT playing against Mizzou. Too raw, but a year or two in an NFL team strength/conditioning program and he looks like he could be a quality starter.

His lateral movement is average to poor; active DEs who can move side to side eat Solder alive.
Agreed completely.
That whole highlight clip was frustrating to watch. You could see his potential for sure. He moves very well for his size, his feet looked decent, and he got to his blocks quick. But he couldn't maintain them at all. I don't think it was a strength issue, but he consistently got beaten on second efforts in both the run game and pass game. I definitely did not see anywhere close to a first round tackle in that clip.

Seems like a project to me. He needs much better technique and he may need to add some weight. He has the tools, but that tape for example was pretty awful. I need to watch more Colorado games (hard to get their games where I am) but from what I remember seeing, highlight clips, and from what I read, he's all potential at this point. Thats plain to see. But he gets consistently beaten technically.

SenorGato
08-23-2010, 12:56 PM
Kinda reminds me of Veldheer last year...I like him alot, especially at RT, where he'd play if he was a Jet.

Big Bird
08-23-2010, 03:21 PM
His footwork is choppy and he has no punch. I'd say he's more of a rich man's Selvish Capers. Talent and potential are there, but is just very inconsistent in games. Not sure how guys with that type of athletic ability (Solder and Capers) can be beat to the edge so easily. It's mind-boggling...

cajuncorey
08-23-2010, 09:17 PM
put the man in a zone blocking scheme and he will excel, but man to man not so much

Aloysius
08-24-2010, 02:29 AM
Solder hasn't proven that he can handle top-flight pass rushers: Mizzou's guys busted him up, and TE Riar Greer stayed in to pass block in the Texas game because Solder couldn't be trusted to hold his own vs. Kindle & co.

Because of his athleticism, Solder's stock will surge if he shows any kind of improvement. But at this point, he's just another underwhelming offensive tackle in an underwhelming class.

Aloysius
09-14-2010, 11:03 AM
The Cal game was just another example of Solder's inability to handle speed off the edge:

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Nate Solder vs. Cal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_VBKVmhyAo)

BigBanger
09-14-2010, 11:22 AM
Wow, he got raped last week. I didn't get a chance to see the game. He pretty much sucks and his hype will die down soon, but he's going to make it die down quicker than I thought. His kick step was non existent in the video. That should tell you that he has no confidence in his foot work. He knows he's going to get beat, so he literally turned his shoulders and tries running with the DE. In the NFL, he'd jacked up and thrown to the ground.

Any idea how Jimmy Smith did?

Edit: I just watched the highlight in the OP, and I remember watching that game last year. At first, since it was really the first time I focused on Solder, I said, "Who the hell is this DE?" I found out it was Aldon Smith. Then I thought, "Ain't that a freshman?" I watched both players again and Smith continued raping OTs while Solder continued looking like ****. I do remember him being worse than first highlight video shows though.

Aloysius
09-14-2010, 12:53 PM
Any idea how Jimmy Smith did?
I haven't watched that side of the ball yet, though I've heard that Smith played fairly well.

Babylon
09-14-2010, 01:50 PM
Wow, he got raped last week. I didn't get a chance to see the game. He pretty much sucks and his hype will die down soon, but he's going to make it die down quicker than I thought. His kick step was non existent in the video. That should tell you that he has no confidence in his foot work. He knows he's going to get beat, so he literally turned his shoulders and tries running with the DE. In the NFL, he'd jacked up and thrown to the ground.

Any idea how Jimmy Smith did?

Edit: I just watched the highlight in the OP, and I remember watching that game last year. At first, since it was really the first time I focused on Solder, I said, "Who the hell is this DE?" I found out it was Aldon Smith. Then I thought, "Ain't that a freshman?" I watched both players again and Smith continued raping OTs while Solder continued looking like ****. I do remember him being worse than first highlight video shows though.

Yeah, from what i saw Solder looked weak against Cal. Right now the top tackles i've seen so far would be Reynolds of Byu, Potter of Boise St., Costanzo of B.C. and Boling of Georgia.