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Brown Leader
08-25-2010, 12:31 AM
After watching Sheldon Brown concuss Ryan Grant and splatter 6'4 265lb Hoomanawanui this preseason, I had this discussion recently and wanted other thoughts.

brat316
08-25-2010, 12:34 AM
Brown is pretty damn good. I remember the hit he had on Reggie Bush. Once he gets a bit older he could make a nice move to safety.

Paranoidmoonduck
08-25-2010, 12:34 AM
This rarely gets brought up, but Asomugha is hugely underrated against the run.

brat316
08-25-2010, 12:37 AM
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TACKLE
08-25-2010, 12:38 AM
Brandon Flowers, Antoine Winfield, Champ Bailey and Courtland Finnegan come to mind.

FUNBUNCHER
08-25-2010, 12:40 AM
Ike Taylor is a beast in run support.

Holla, bce!!!

Brown Leader
08-25-2010, 12:41 AM
Brown is pretty damn good. I remember the hit he had on Reggie Bush. Once he gets a bit older he could make a nice move to safety.

Basically now.

My favorite hit but probably because it was Reggie.

ViperVisor
08-25-2010, 12:54 AM
Nate Clements isn't a big enough to do it by the book but he has no qualms about throwing himself at the guy and usually gets him.

Was pretty much the 1st thing you heard when 49ers got him.

Ness
08-25-2010, 12:56 AM
Nate Clements. His coverage skills have been inconsistent for the past season or so, but he's a heck of a tackler.

Shane P. Hallam
08-25-2010, 12:58 AM
Antoine Winfield IMO. Guy has always been clutch against the run.

TitanHope
08-25-2010, 01:13 AM
Cortland Finnegan says, "Hi! My name is Cortland Finnegan. You spell my first name C-O-R-T-L-A-N-D. Just lettin' everybody know! Oh, and I support the run super good!"

djp
08-25-2010, 01:17 AM
It's not even close when Antoine Winfield is healthy. The guy blows up plays constantly. He has a knack for jumping the run and getting in the backfield. He's also an unreal open field tackler.

bantx
08-25-2010, 01:19 AM
Q Jammer, he's a great tackler and good on 1on1 tackles.

Chucky
08-25-2010, 01:21 AM
I see this is just turning into a thread where everyone nominates the best tackling CB on their team.

Well...I am going to nominate Ronde Barber circa 2002.



But seriously...It's for sure Antoine Winfield

yo123
08-25-2010, 01:50 AM
Winfield. I don't think I'm being a homer either. If it's you against him in the open field you're going down no matter who you are.

TitanHope
08-25-2010, 01:54 AM
The guys who first came to mind were Cortland Finnegan, Antoine Winfield, Brandon Flowers, Quentin Jammer, and Sheldon Brown. Followed by Ron Bartell, Richard Marshall, Mike Jenkins, DRC, Cedric Griffin, and Captain Munnerlyn.

Nick Harper would've been my #1 last year.

PACKmanN
08-25-2010, 01:59 AM
Charles Woodson, because he has to bigger dick for challenging Jacobs upper body instead of being a *****

Plus everyone rememebers the sick tackle he made last season to save a touchdown in the game.

CashmoneyDrew
08-25-2010, 02:38 AM
The guys who first came to mind were Cortland Finnegan, Antoine Winfield, Brandon Flowers, Quentin Jammer, and Sheldon Brown. Followed by Ron Bartell, Richard Marshall, Mike Jenkins, DRC, Cedric Griffin, and Captain Munnerlyn.

Nick Harper would've been my #1 last year.


Those tackles weren't against the run, they were against receivers who were blowing his sorry ass up in the passing game.

AntoinCD
08-25-2010, 03:27 AM
No love for Antonio Cromartie???

Halsey
08-25-2010, 04:20 AM
I bet it's some guy that's not that well known due to not being great as a cover corner. I wouldn't be surprised if the best CB against the run is a backup for some team.

Gay Ork Wang
08-25-2010, 06:24 AM
tillman is good at forcing fumbles!

thenewfeature06
08-25-2010, 08:29 AM
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I voted Finnegan but this video is so ******* clutch. Reggie crawling is priceless.

Splat
08-25-2010, 08:57 AM
If Flowers wasn't on the poll I was going to start punching babies.

tjsunstein
08-25-2010, 09:02 AM
That Sheldon Brown hit against Reggie wasn't against the run. If that's a selling point for Brown to be one of the better CB's against the run, I don't buy it. He read the play and reacted within his zone. He got a clean shot and did what any football player should do and blow up the receiver.

I might be a little biased in saying that Woodson is vastly underrated in this thread but I'll even it out by saying Winfield is one of the best, if not the best, in the game against the run.

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K Train
08-25-2010, 09:34 AM
the lack of love for ike taylor in this thread is disheartening....the man is pure beast against the run at 190 pounds soaking wet

abaddon41_80
08-25-2010, 09:41 AM
Even though he rarely gets recognized for it anymore, or for anything, Nate Clements is still up there in terms of run support. His coverage skills aren't as bad as some people seem to think, either, but that is a little off topic

I would say it is a toss up between Winfield, Clements, and Finnegan

Vox Populi
08-25-2010, 09:45 AM
Winfield all day every day. I wish the Bills had held onto him and Clements... and Greer... while still having McGee... :(

DoughBoy
08-25-2010, 10:08 AM
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brat316
08-25-2010, 10:15 AM
ahhah I love feisty Finnegan.

killxswitch
08-25-2010, 10:31 AM
Struggled between Winfield and Woodson but chose Woodson.

vidae
08-25-2010, 10:37 AM
I can't believe <my teams corner> didn't get more votes. He's so underrated and is a <beast, monster, dominator> against the run. Anyone remember that <random tackle on a player one game last year>? That shows how great he is!

And yes, I voted for Brandon Flowers!

SuperMcGee
08-25-2010, 12:21 PM
Winfield all day every day. I wish the Bills had held onto him and Clements... and Greer... while still having McGee... :(

The great play of our current corners keeps me from being genuinely upset at losing those guys, but I liked them all very much.

Winfield and Clements was a good duo and very strong against the run. Winfield was the one who shone brightest in that aspect, though, and he still does.

619
08-25-2010, 12:28 PM
Not having Nnamdi in the poll is a travesty. Regardless, I voted Winfield, although it was close between him and Woodson. There are many great options to choose from, as I don't think the gap is very large from candidate to candidate.

Splat
08-25-2010, 12:31 PM
Anyone else notice that some of the smaller CB's in the league are the ones most willing to get dirty vs the running game?

descendency
08-25-2010, 12:35 PM
Not having Nnamdi in the poll is a travesty.

Eh, he's not that good in run support. He's not a liability, but he could be better. If you mean that due to the number of options in the poll that he should be in the poll, I might agree... but there are too many as it is.

edit: I voted for Winfield as well.

GhostDeini
08-25-2010, 12:48 PM
Shout out to Vontae Davis

703SKINS202
08-25-2010, 01:11 PM
Carlos Rogers, God knows he can't grab an INT but he's a really good tackler.

A Perfect Score
08-25-2010, 01:22 PM
Im completely unbias! No Ravens CBs here!

Assuming all are healthy, its gotta be Antoine Winfield. Hes 185 and he hits like a linebacker, and he has his entire career. Hes getting up there in age, and Brandon Flowers is probably the best young guy to replace him. He can lay the wood when he wants to as well. Leon Hall is another guy who is very solid against the run, as much as it pains me to say it.

K Train
08-25-2010, 02:41 PM
Anyone else notice that some of the smaller CB's in the league are the ones most willing to get dirty vs the running game?

yeah its weird, winfield is basically a smurf and ike taylor is probably one of the thinnest CBs out there and they both throw their little bodies around

Shout out to Vontae Davis

he should be, hes got the physique of a LB

Carlos Rogers, God knows he can't grab an INT but he's a really good tackler.

lol, yeah same with ike

J-Mike88
08-25-2010, 02:46 PM
Winfield. I don't think I'm being a homer either. If it's you against him in the open field you're going down no matter who you are.
Right, that's no homerism. I voted for the little fella as well. Another in a long line of big ticket free agent additions for the purple.

marshallb
08-25-2010, 02:50 PM
I gotta go with Winfield, non-homer. He's such a beast in run support.

Splat
08-25-2010, 03:04 PM
yeah its weird, winfield is basically a smurf and ike taylor is probably one of the thinnest CBs out there and they both throw their little bodies around

Flowers to.:)

prock
08-25-2010, 06:16 PM
Homer pick, Winfield. Non-homer pick, Winfield.

K Train
08-25-2010, 06:21 PM
asante samuel deserves a mention too

oh wait

703SKINS202
08-25-2010, 06:28 PM
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V.I.P
08-25-2010, 06:52 PM
Only one vote for Barber ?? SMH !!

PS. That Delhomme is priceless.

CC.SD
08-25-2010, 06:57 PM
Seeing Laron Landry take himself out of the play in that clip is depressing. Why aren't you awesome, Laron...it makes no sense.

703SKINS202
08-25-2010, 07:51 PM
Seeing Laron Landry take himself out of the play in that clip is depressing. Why aren't you awesome, Laron...it makes no sense.
I know man. I'm pretty much convinced that he's just one of those guys who is in his own world. Crazy talent, poor technique.

gpngc
08-25-2010, 08:06 PM
Dontonio Wingfield.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-25-2010, 09:21 PM
My favourite team's top cornerback.

Brent
08-25-2010, 09:25 PM
why did you put a 'u' in there?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-25-2010, 09:33 PM
why did you put a 'u' in there?

That's just how we spell in Canada, lol.

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hoekd0250
08-25-2010, 10:09 PM
id say woodson only because the packers will put him in at the safety spot on some plays just to give him a chance to get into the box, who else does that with their star cornerback

elway=goat
08-25-2010, 10:14 PM
Woodson, but I think Champ in his prime was clearly the best.

descendency
08-25-2010, 10:27 PM
That's just how we spell in Canada, lol.

Colour
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Theater???

Brown Leader
08-25-2010, 10:54 PM
Ha!^ For the record, currently, I said Woodson, based primarily on last season. But when healthy, which hasn't been too often of late, and likely won't be, given the way he sacrifices his body, Winfield has no peer.

MidwayMonster31
08-26-2010, 12:12 AM
I think that Delhomme clip might be more embarrassing for all the Skins players that didn't even look at Delhomme, while he was running for the first down.
As for the homer pick, I think Charles Tillman is underrated against the run, but I don't think he should be on the same list as Winfield, Brown or Flowers. If Winfield was bigger, then he would be the best, but since he's had trouble staying healthy thanks to his smaller frame, so I will have to go with Sheldon Brown.

steelersfan43
08-26-2010, 01:21 AM
the lack of love for ike taylor in this thread is disheartening....the man is pure beast against the run at 190 pounds soaking wet
Why do people say this???

Shiver
08-26-2010, 01:26 AM
Your skin absorbs the water, making you weigh more. Hence Ike Taylor only weighing about 190 soaking wet means he is really skinny.

wogitalia
08-26-2010, 06:17 AM
Antoine Winfield is an easy pick in this.

In defense of the other corners, Winfield is basically a midget linebacker playing corner.

Honestly if we didn't have EJ Henderson at MLB, Winfield would be our biggest hitter behind outside the front 4.

keylime_5
08-26-2010, 09:01 AM
pretty much ever since he came out of college, it seems like every corner who is great in run support gets compared to winfield, especially if they're small. I don't think there's a better open field tackler at cornerback and he's like 5'9"/180.

Smooth Criminal
08-26-2010, 09:37 AM
Ike Taylor is amazing in run support. Dick LeBeau has said many times that he's the best tackling corner, and I'll trust his judgment.

hoekd0250
08-26-2010, 09:45 AM
ok i can see how winfield can be mentioned but pp seriously it has to be woodson and its not just because im a packer fan. Woodson was being considered to be moving to safety when he left oakland because of his superb open field tackling and coverage insticts. He is what made the defense work in green bay last year. Capers would end up taking out a safety and would use woodson in his place as an extra defender in the box and lock onto the tightend. sorry but no one else is close to woodsons skills

Shiver
08-26-2010, 09:51 AM
Ike Taylor better be good at tackling, because no passing offense is afraid to throw at him. In fact, he is the most targeted DB in the NFL.

Quarterbacks have gone after the seventh-year corner a 90 times this season, more than any other defender in the NFL.

http://pit.scout.com/2/926374.html

AntoinCD
08-26-2010, 09:51 AM
ok i can see how winfield can be mentioned but pp seriously it has to be woodson and its not just because im a packer fan. Woodson was being considered to be moving to safety when he left oakland because of his superb open field tackling and coverage insticts. He is what made the defense work in green bay last year. Capers would end up taking out a safety and would use woodson in his place as an extra defender in the box and lock onto the tightend. sorry but no one else is close to woodsons skills

His coverage instincts and ability to lock onto a TE has no relevance to his ability in run support though. Woodson is definitely a top CB against the run but I would still put Winfield above him.

K Train
08-26-2010, 09:54 AM
Ike Taylor better be good at tackling, because no passing offense is afraid to throw at him. In fact, he is the most targeted DB in the NFL.



http://pit.scout.com/2/926374.html

misleading...last year shouldnt be a reference point for his talent, he was getting no help on the other side and didnt get abused like william *** did. ike is no doubt on the downside of his career but at his best he was shutting down the best WRs week in and week out. hes always been a beast in run support though

Nalej
08-26-2010, 11:47 AM
devin mccourty... coming soon

hoekd0250
08-26-2010, 11:57 AM
srry ment to say there able to allow him to lock down the tightend and be up in the box like a safety because they trust his run tackling ability

AntoinCD
08-26-2010, 12:20 PM
devin mccourty... coming soon

That is the truth.

In fact you could take the words 'run support' out of the title and change 'in the league' for 'of all time'

The Great Jonathan Vilma
08-26-2010, 01:52 PM
Winfield when healthy. Guy is outstanding and I hope he stays healthy for all to enjoy.

Paranoidmoonduck
08-26-2010, 04:21 PM
Woodson was being considered to be moving to safety when he left oakland because of his superb open field tackling and coverage insticts.

Woodson was being considered for a switch to safety because he wasn't able to stay healthy at cornerback and because they thought he'd be less of a headache if they asked less responsibility of him.

Woodson is a good tackler, but he's not this clear cut above anybody else, and he's defintely a cut below Winfield. I voted other because I maintain that Asomugha is easily a top 5 tackler at corner. I know a lot of people rate him highly based on reputation because they don't Oakland play much, but considering Aso has only gotten 25-30 throws his way each of the past few years, he's actually been arguably a bigger playmaker in the run defense than in the passing game.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
08-26-2010, 04:55 PM
Woodson was being considered for a switch to safety because he wasn't able to stay healthy at cornerback and because they thought he'd be less of a headache if they asked less responsibility of him.

Woodson is a good tackler, but he's not this clear cut above anybody else, and he's defintely a cut below Winfield. I voted other because I maintain that Asomugha is easily a top 5 tackler at corner. I know a lot of people rate him highly based on reputation because they don't Oakland play much, but considering Aso has only gotten 25-30 throws his way each of the past few years, he's actually been arguably a bigger playmaker in the run defense than in the passing game.

Just to be clear - You believe Aso is superior in run D than Winfield? I'm not arguing either way as you are correct i certainly haven't forced myself to watch many Raider games, but i just want to identify if you believe Aso is #1.

Paranoidmoonduck
08-26-2010, 04:59 PM
Just to be clear - You believe Aso is superior in run D than Winfield? I'm not arguing either way as you are correct i certainly haven't forced myself to watch many Raider games, but i just want to identify if you believe Aso is #1.

No, I don't. Winfield is a has better form and takes out guys' legs better and I would be inclined to entertain the argument that he's tracks the ball better in traffic.

What I'm saying is that I can't think of more than 3 or 4 cornerbacks who are clearly better tacklers than Nnamdi.

Splat
08-26-2010, 05:03 PM
Nnamdi is pretty dang good at playing the run he should at least be on the poll.

TitanHope
08-26-2010, 05:32 PM
Aso was a safety in college, wasn't he?

TACKLE
08-26-2010, 05:34 PM
Ike Taylor better be good at tackling, because no passing offense is afraid to throw at him. In fact, he is the most targeted DB in the NFL.



http://pit.scout.com/2/926374.html

Hmm, that's odd.

I was told by a very wise man that Ike is the premier cover corner of this decade.

phlysac
08-26-2010, 06:39 PM
I thought that Miike Jenkins would surely be in the discussion...

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I know he's improved! I'm jus' sayin'.

abaddon41_80
08-26-2010, 06:51 PM
I thought that Miike Jenkins would surely be in the discussion...

JW7lz8x2I-0

I know he's improved! I'm jus' sayin'.

Rashean Mathis is up there as well

Saints-Tigers
08-26-2010, 06:52 PM
There is no discussion, it's Winfield.

Honorable mention to Sheldon Brown.

BuckNaked
08-26-2010, 11:45 PM
Winfield and it ain't even close.

irishbucsfan
08-27-2010, 11:41 AM
Winfield's TKL rating is really high in Madden, but his INJ is pretty low. So I'm not sure what to make of that.

bernbabybern820
08-27-2010, 01:50 PM
Aso was a safety in college, wasn't he?

Ya he was. Aso is a great tackler and also shows effort to tackle a running back. He doesn't get many chances to show it off because the Raiders play so much man to man defense.

bored of education
08-27-2010, 10:16 PM
Where is the video of brandon flowers body slamming Zach Miller?