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wonderbredd24
08-25-2010, 09:39 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tsn-166265

Hated the pick. He's done nothing but show me why.

thenewfeature06
08-25-2010, 09:41 AM
Lol thread worthy? I am a fan of Colt but why do you hate the pick? Do you have a long term resolution at QB.. I am still a believer but not a firm one, you guys will most likely get one of those primetime quarterbacks next year.

Splat
08-25-2010, 09:42 AM
I don't see him getting cut this soon, I know he hasn't looked good but he was a 3rd round pick.

wonderbredd24
08-25-2010, 09:48 AM
Lol thread worthy? I am a fan of Colt but why do you hate the pick? Do you have a long term resolution at QB.. I am still a believer but not a firm one, you guys will most likely get one of those primetime quarterbacks next year.

Having a need at quarterback doesn't necessitate taking an awful one. Colt McCoy was a pure shotgun QB with a girly weak arm coming into a windy, inclement weather division like the AFC North. There are many who believe that it adds years of development coming out of a pure shotgun system such as Joe Montana and Mel Kiper.

I hope like hell we get Jake Locker. But there were a ton of players I would have much rather had with that 3rd round pick.

As for whether or not it's worth its own thread... he was supposed to be one of the marquee quarterbacks in this class and he may not even make it one year before being cut? Seems like a pretty big deal to me.

Rosebud
08-25-2010, 10:06 AM
Having a need at quarterback doesn't necessitate taking an awful one. Colt McCoy was a pure shotgun QB with a girly weak arm coming into a windy, inclement weather division like the AFC North. There are many who believe that it adds years of development coming out of a pure shotgun system such as Joe Montana and Mel Kiper.

I hope like hell we get Jake Locker. But there were a ton of players I would have much rather had with that 3rd round pick.

As for whether or not it's worth its own thread... he was supposed to be one of the marquee quarterbacks in this class and he may not even make it one year before being cut? Seems like a pretty big deal to me.

Not with how much NFL teams run the spread now.

wonderbredd24
08-25-2010, 10:15 AM
Not with how much NFL teams run the spread now.

You still have to be able to take the snap from under center, have a good drop back, and read the defense while all of this is happening. And with playaction, quarterbacks need to be adjusted to turning their back to the defense. Just looking at the defense from under center as opposed to in the shotgun is a big difference.

Yea, teams run some shotgun, but they are still under center most of the time.

yourfavestoner
08-25-2010, 10:20 AM
I still can't believe he was even drafted as high as the third round.

M.O.T.H.
08-25-2010, 11:18 AM
If he gets cut, he's a Cowboy. I really doubt he'd get cut, though. It makes zero sense to cut the guy right now.

FlyingElvis
08-25-2010, 11:27 AM
I doubt Holmgren allows the kid he drafted in the 3rd in 2010 to be cut in order to keep the UFDA Mangina traded for in 2009.

Scotty D
08-25-2010, 11:33 AM
According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, McCoy, a third-round pick in April, is among one of eight players “on the bubble” for Eric Mangini’s team. That includes fellow QB Brett Ratliff(notes), and two young running backs, James Davis and Chris Jennings(notes).

I can't find a link to the original article. The writer is really stretching it. They aren't going to come out and say he has a roster spot.

SeanTaylorRIP
08-25-2010, 11:55 AM
I know Brett Ratliff will never be a starter I don't know about Colt yet, so at this point it would be foolish to cut Colt this early in his career especially considering their top 2 QB's are Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace, ouch. It would serve the Browns right if they end up cutting Colt and he becomes a starter one day while they still are without a signal caller.

'cuse-213
08-25-2010, 12:05 PM
I thought James Davis was gonna workout.

BuckeyeDan17
08-25-2010, 12:18 PM
He's not going to get cut, Grossi was being incredibly dramatic. He could throw 6 interceptions against Detroit and he still wouldn't be cut. He's not going anywhere.

descendency
08-25-2010, 12:30 PM
If they keep Brett Ratliff over Colt McCoy, I will literally fall over laughing until my ass falls off.

I think everyone here called it.

LonghornsLegend
08-25-2010, 12:35 PM
If he gets cut, he's a Cowboy. I really doubt he'd get cut, though. It makes zero sense to cut the guy right now.

That what's I was gonna say, pretty sure we'd pick him up just because. Still though, cutting him after 1 pre-season is pretty stupid no matter how you spin it. Let's not act like he was in a pro style system so he would come in ready to go, he was a project and if you weren't willing to give him at least an entire off-season in the system then you should have never drafted him.


It's not like he was gonna stop them from taking a 1st rd QB next year.

PoopSandwich
08-25-2010, 12:43 PM
Lol thread worthy? I am a fan of Colt but why do you hate the pick? Do you have a long term resolution at QB.. I am still a believer but not a firm one, you guys will most likely get one of those primetime quarterbacks next year.

Why the **** wouldn't it be thread worthy he is the winningest college quarterback of all time and people were wondering about him.

This thread worthy **** is so annoying, its an NFL forum discussing NFL news if you don't think the thread is worthy of discussion don't ******* post in it.

yourfavestoner
08-25-2010, 12:45 PM
That what's I was gonna say, pretty sure we'd pick him up just because. Still though, cutting him after 1 pre-season is pretty stupid no matter how you spin it. Let's not act like he was in a pro style system so he would come in ready to go, he was a project and if you weren't willing to give him at least an entire off-season in the system then you should have never drafted him.


It's not like he was gonna stop them from taking a 1st rd QB next year.

Unless his problem stems from a physical ability standpoint, which is a very realistic possiblility. No amount of development will help you if you can't throw a five yard out in the NFL.

FlyingElvis
08-25-2010, 12:46 PM
Why the **** wouldn't it be thread worthy he is the winningest college quarterback of all time and people were wondering about him.

This thread worthy **** is so annoying, its an NFL forum discussing NFL news if you don't think the thread is worthy of discussion don't ******* post in it.

I'm FlyingElvis and I approve of this message.

tjsunstein
08-25-2010, 12:48 PM
This is stupid, they won't cut their third round pick.

CC.SD
08-25-2010, 12:55 PM
LOL Quentin Moses>Colt McCoy

descendency
08-25-2010, 12:57 PM
Browns fans should get him a booster seat so he can sit in the pocket and see over his OL.

Michigan
08-25-2010, 01:33 PM
This is stupid, they won't cut their third round pick.

It's not like it hasn't happened before. The Cardinals cut Buster Davis before the season started, and I'm sure there's other examples.

Babylon
08-25-2010, 01:35 PM
The Walrus has a history of drafting 3rd and 4th round QBs then developing them and either playing them or moving them down the road. He isnt going to veer off course because the guy has had a mediocre training camp. If they struggle this year Homgren will no doubt have to take a QB high but that doesnt mean McCoy is gone anytime soon.

PoopSandwich
08-25-2010, 01:58 PM
Browns fans should get him a booster seat so he can sit in the pocket and see over his OL.

No just have him strapped onto r2-d2's back he already looks like luke skywalker anyways so im sure he'd be comfortable.

brat316
08-25-2010, 03:22 PM
James Davis? really they are going to cut him.

wonderbredd24
08-25-2010, 03:39 PM
James Davis? really they are going to cut him.

Sorta depends. If they keep only four running backs in total, Davis is boned.

If that were to happen, they'd be keeping Montario Hardesty and Jerome Harrison at half back, Lawrence Vickers at fullback and Peyton Hillis who can play both positions. If they opt to keep a fifth running back, James Davis would be that guy.

Personally, I hope they keep 5 because James Davis always seems to be a threat to make a big play.

Nalej
08-25-2010, 04:28 PM
********. They aren't cutting him.

Shiver
08-25-2010, 05:27 PM
Charlie Frye 2.0

Brent
08-25-2010, 05:30 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/24/240155.jpg

all over again

yourfavestoner
08-25-2010, 05:33 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/24/240155.jpg

all over again

Pretty much this. Dude just does not have the physical skillset to make it in the NFL. I don't care about his intangibles, there isn't a single NFL pass that Weurrfel/McCoy can make besides the quick slant and swing pass.

LonghornsLegend
08-25-2010, 05:34 PM
Unless his problem stems from a physical ability standpoint, which is a very realistic possiblility. No amount of development will help you if you can't throw a five yard out in the NFL.

If that is the case, how on earth do you not know that about him before drafting him? It's almost like a video game and they just took him because he was the best QB available.


You should know if he can throw a 5 yard out way early into the process.

Smooth Criminal
08-25-2010, 05:40 PM
Colt won't get cut, or ever amount to anything.

Gotta love Browns fans. So far the ones I lived with have claimed Frye, Anderson, Quinn, and now McCoy would be great QBs. Its gotta be horrible to be a fan of Cleveland sports and have literally nothing good going for them.

keylime_5
08-25-2010, 05:42 PM
so far the only person who ever even hinted that McCoy was on the bubble is Tony Grossi.....and he doesn't have what I would call and "ironclad" history. I think Grossi implies that McCoy and Ratliff are battling for the 3rd QB spot, and that Davis and Jennings are battling for the last RB spot.

yourfavestoner
08-25-2010, 05:49 PM
If that is the case, how on earth do you not know that about him before drafting him? It's almost like a video game and they just took him because he was the best QB available.


You should know if he can throw a 5 yard out way early into the process.

Eh, when you need a QB as desperately as the Browns did, it doesn't hurt to take a flier on the guy. The third round was definitely too early, though.

It still amuses me that people were projecting him from anywhere at the end of the first through the second round, and that he was being compared to Drew Brees. Drew Brees is small, and he doesn't have a cannon, but he's got functional arm strength. Not only that, but he's the exception to a very established rule.

CC.SD
08-25-2010, 06:39 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/24/240155.jpg

all over again

This picture is so, so sad.

PoopSandwich
08-25-2010, 06:59 PM
Colt won't get cut, or ever amount to anything.

Gotta love Browns fans. So far the ones I lived with have claimed Frye, Anderson, Quinn, and now McCoy would be great QBs. Its gotta be horrible to be a fan of Cleveland sports and have literally nothing good going for them.

Anyone to hype up McCoy what-so-ever is an idiot, any one with common sense knows that he needs at least 2 years to develop if he has any chance of succeeding in this league.

I agree with Shiver, he kind of reminds me of Charlie Frye for some reason.

That being said, he has looked bad partially because of his fault and partially because of how horrendous are 3rd/4th string has played, he hardly has gotten any time to throw the ball.

Shiver
08-25-2010, 07:14 PM
Colt won't get cut, or ever amount to anything.

Gotta love Browns fans. So far the ones I lived with have claimed Frye, Anderson, Quinn, and now McCoy would be great QBs. Its gotta be horrible to be a fan of Cleveland sports and have literally nothing good going for them.

Don't forget their (grouping them together loosely) love of Troy Smith and their desire to draft him 3rd overall....

Brent
08-25-2010, 07:27 PM
I want to know which Browns fans you guys are referring to.

619
08-25-2010, 08:23 PM
I want to know which Browns fans you guys are referring to.

Not on this site, that's for sure.

Brent
08-25-2010, 08:30 PM
Not on this site, that's for sure.
That's what I was about to say. We have some rather awesome Browns fans on here.

PoopSandwich
08-25-2010, 08:35 PM
Don't forget their (grouping them together loosely) love of Troy Smith and their desire to draft him 3rd overall....

Those were only the fans that know absolutely nothing about football and like OSU because they're good, and I actually won multiple bets with idiots like that who said Troy Smith would go in the first round.

Most people around here believe it or not were pissed when we drafted Robiskie 36th overall.

yourfavestoner
08-25-2010, 08:35 PM
That's what I was about to say. We have some rather awesome Browns fans on here.

That's the truth for almost all the posters on here. 90% of fans are unrealistic homers with no real grasp of the sport at anything but the most basic of levels.

For the most part, I'd say that people on this board are cautiously optimistic about their teams. This is a pretty rational, intelligent group and not representative of the majority of sports fans.

The quality of posting on this board has been pretty bad the last couple of years, but I think we've seen a nice influx of promising young talent on the board right now.

Splat
08-25-2010, 08:36 PM
If being "on" the bubble means you might get cut does being "in" the bubble mean you have made the team???

yourfavestoner
08-25-2010, 08:38 PM
If being "on" the bubble means you might get cut does being "in" the bubble mean you have made the team???

I love your randomness, Splat.

Saints-Tigers
08-25-2010, 09:29 PM
Eh, when you need a QB as desperately as the Browns did, it doesn't hurt to take a flier on the guy. The third round was definitely too early, though.

It still amuses me that people were projecting him from anywhere at the end of the first through the second round, and that he was being compared to Drew Brees. Drew Brees is small, and he doesn't have a cannon, but he's got functional arm strength. Not only that, but he's the exception to a very established rule.


If any guy gets compared to Drew BRees, he's basically doomed to fail, unless it's Drew Brees himself. (or Chase Daniel)

kalbears13
08-25-2010, 09:37 PM
If 3rd string means being on the team and 4th string means being cut. Then being the 3rd string means by default that you are on the bubble.

Mr. Grossi are you trying to seduce me?

descendency
08-25-2010, 09:52 PM
If I buy a Brett Ratliff Browns jersey then will I have to burn it like my Brett Ratliff Jets jersey?

kalbears13
08-25-2010, 09:56 PM
If I buy a Brett Ratliff Browns jersey then will I have to burn it like my Brett Ratliff Jets jersey?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/BcG3Hg8wXnvv03llymA4x4Uco1_400.png

RaiderNation
08-25-2010, 11:18 PM
Surprised, thought they would atleast give him a year to learn. Im sure a team will pick him up fast

PoopSandwich
08-26-2010, 12:06 AM
Surprised, thought they would atleast give him a year to learn. Im sure a team will pick him up fast

They won't cut him grossi is a moron

Brodeur
08-26-2010, 12:14 AM
I'd keep Ratliff over McCoy.

steelersfan43
08-26-2010, 01:26 AM
Having a need at quarterback doesn't necessitate taking an awful one. Colt McCoy was a pure shotgun QB with a girly weak arm coming into a windy, inclement weather division like the AFC North. There are many who believe that it adds years of development coming out of a pure shotgun system such as Joe Montana and Mel Kiper.

I hope like hell we get Jake Locker. But there were a ton of players I would have much rather had with that 3rd round pick.

As for whether or not it's worth its own thread... he was supposed to be one of the marquee quarterbacks in this class and he may not even make it one year before being cut? Seems like a pretty big deal to me.

If the browns get Locker I will cry my eyes out. Im a huge UW fan and I really want him to succeed and not go to an awful place like cleaveland or kansas city.. ughhh.

Hopefully the seahawks get him

Shiver
08-26-2010, 01:32 AM
Oh don't worry, Locker is going to the Buffalo Bills....


hahahahahahaha

Saints-Tigers
08-26-2010, 02:21 AM
The Bills seem so devoid of talent to me t hat I think I'm going to be surprised with their win total. Like, a team can't be as bad as I expect them to be.

keylime_5
08-26-2010, 08:57 AM
If the browns get Locker I will cry my eyes out. Im a huge UW fan and I really want him to succeed and not go to an awful place like cleaveland or kansas city.. ughhh.

Hopefully the seahawks get him

i think the browns and chiefs are on their way to being a lot better. Getting a stud QB would eventually put either team in contention. At least Cleveland has a good running game and offensive line built in already.

AntoinCD
08-26-2010, 09:20 AM
i think the browns and chiefs are on their way to being a lot better. Getting a stud QB would eventually put either team in contention. At least Cleveland has a good running game and offensive line built in already.

I think you're right that Cleveland would be better with a stud QB(not sure about compete) but I disagree with KC. Cassell can at least be an above average QB if he is given the right coaching and has weapons to throw to, which he should have this season. KC's problem is defense, especially up the middle and with the pass rush. Until that is sorted they will struggle but both teams are improving.

wicket
08-26-2010, 09:54 AM
The Bills seem so devoid of talent to me t hat I think I'm going to be surprised with their win total. Like, a team can't be as bad as I expect them to be.

they have good corners, basically they have one of the better defensive backfields to be quite honest, a good stable of running backs but thats all ive got

wicket
08-26-2010, 09:54 AM
btw is jerome harrison gonna be the browns starter at tailback?

wonderbredd24
08-26-2010, 10:05 AM
btw is jerome harrison gonna be the browns starter at tailback?

Technically, yes, but they've got at least 2 running backs they like to use in Harrison and Peyton Hillis and then Montario Hardesty will be back for week 1 and they really like him, so it wouldn't be surprising to see a lot of all 3.

Splat
08-26-2010, 10:57 AM
i think the browns and chiefs are on their way to being a lot better. Getting a stud QB would eventually put either team in contention. At least Cleveland has a good running game and offensive line built in already.

You say that like the Chiefs don't.

wonderbredd24
08-26-2010, 11:26 AM
You say that like the Chiefs don't.

I don't know how good the Chiefs running game is, but the Browns ran for 2,000 yards last year.

My question is why the hell isn't Jamaal Charles the starter?

Nalej
08-26-2010, 11:33 AM
Thomas Jones + Jamaal Charles = Problems! (For defenses)

keylime_5
08-26-2010, 11:41 AM
You say that like the Chiefs don't.

well i never said the chiefs didn't have a good running game. I just elaborated on the browns b/c they have a better Oline. We won the last 4 games in 2009 with no passing game whatsoever.

Splat
08-26-2010, 11:49 AM
I don't know how good the Chiefs running game is, but the Browns ran for 2,000 yards last year.

My question is why the hell isn't Jamaal Charles the starter?

The Chiefs had over 1,900 rushing yards last year which put them 11th in the NFL, would have been more had LJ not been starting the first few weeks.

They are not going to have a true starting RB Charles and Jones will split the carries, and Charles had his shoulder worked on in the off season no reason to over use him in meaningless games.

Todd Haley has said a million times the hot hand will get the ball, which more times then not will be Charles.

As a Chiefs fan I don't have much to look forward to so don't take away the one good thing they do.:)

wonderbredd24
08-26-2010, 11:50 AM
The Chiefs had over 1,900 rushing yards last year which put them 11th in the NFL, would have been more had LJ not been starting the first few weeks.

The Chiefs are not going to have a true starting RB Charles and Jones will split the carries, and Charles had his shoulder worked on in the off season no reason to over use him in meaningless games.
I'll see your Larry Johnson and raise you the rotting carcass of Jamal Lewis for a large chunk of the season

Chucky
08-26-2010, 11:52 AM
Oh don't worry, Locker is going to the Buffalo Bills....


hahahahahahaha

...Jake Locker is perfect for Chan Gaileys system

Splat
08-26-2010, 11:58 AM
I'll see your Larry Johnson and raise you the rotting carcass of Jamal Lewis for a large chunk of the season

Jamal Lewis - Car 143 Yards 500 Avg 3.5 TD's 0

Larry Johnson - Car 178 Yards 581 Avg 3.3 TD's 0

The suckyness is pretty equal. :)

Shiver
08-26-2010, 01:10 PM
...Jake Locker is perfect for Chan Gaileys system


I was making fun of his pleading that Locker not go to a crappy location.

PoopSandwich
08-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Jamaal Charles is gonna beast it up this year... The Chiefs may be one of the most improved teams in the league. If I remember correctly Bowe had a bit of a down year (suspended right?) Anyways, Jamaal Charles > Harrison for sure, but I think the Browns D and special teams are much better than the Chiefs although the Chiefs have a better O.

Splat
08-26-2010, 01:27 PM
Jamaal Charles is gonna beast it up this year... The Chiefs may be one of the most improved teams in the league. If I remember correctly Bowe had a bit of a down year (suspended right?) Anyways, Jamaal Charles > Harrison for sure, but I think the Browns D and special teams are much better than the Chiefs although the Chiefs have a better O.

Cribbs is a beast for sure but Javier Arenas is a heck of a KR in his own right, and Dustin Colquitt is one of the best punters in the league and you can't forget about Ryan Succop at K.

That said their D is pretty much a mess, I look for them to improve on D but not by a great deal, I'm in no way saying they are a playoff team because they are not.

PoopSandwich
08-26-2010, 01:29 PM
Cribbs is a beast for sure but Javier Arenas is a heck of a KR in his own right, and Dustin Colquitt is one of the best punters in the league and you can't forget about Ryan Succop at K.

That said their D is pretty much a mess, I look for them to improve on D but not by a great deal.

Ya Cribbs is the man but I'm not just talking about Cribbs. Sadly Zastudil is hurt, but Dawson and our coverage is also amazing.

I like the Chiefs offense alot and I'm looking forward to going to the game on the 19th, should be a close game and alot of fun to be at.

wonderbredd24
08-26-2010, 01:30 PM
Cribbs is a beast for sure but Javier Arenas is a heck of a KR in his own right, and Dustin Colquitt is one of the best punters in the league and you can't forget about Ryan Succop at K.

That said their D is pretty much a mess, I look for them to improve on D but not by a great deal.
Cribbs is the marquee special teams player as a returner obviously, but what really seperates the Browns' special teams is their coverage and Cribbs is a big part of that as a gunner. Phil Dawson is a great kicker. We lost Zastudil for the season, but Hodges hasn't been bad, but our coverage guys just don't give up. And Blake Costanzo is the grittiest S.O.B. out there and seems to come up with a ton of fumbles.

Splat
08-26-2010, 01:31 PM
Ya Cribbs is the man but I'm not just talking about Cribbs. Sadly Zastudil is hurt, but Dawson and our coverage is also amazing.

I like the Chiefs offense alot and I'm looking forward to going to the game on the 19th, should be a close game and alot of fun to be at.

Should be alot of points in that game for both teams, but I don't think they will be kicking the ball to Cribbs this time around. :)

FYI, I was at that game last year.

PoopSandwich
08-26-2010, 02:43 PM
Should be alot of points in that game for both teams, but I don't think they will be kicking the ball to Cribbs this time around. :)

FYI, I was at that game last year.

I was getting so pissed off that game in the first half at a bar then Jerome went off... I was literally rooting for it to go to overtime so he could get the single game rushing record, that **** was insane.