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Fat_Actor
08-25-2010, 09:31 PM
Think I will start this one.

Jags vs Bucs saturday at 7:30. All my buddies who are jags fans think they have this one, but I would not be so sure. This is a golden opportunity for Josh Johnson to go out there and kick some ass. He will have the first string so we will see how he does. A veteran QB might be required. Wonder what Dan Marino is doing?

V.I.P
08-26-2010, 01:58 PM
Colts vs Packers should be a Super Bowl preview. :-D

descendency
08-26-2010, 02:14 PM
I'm kind of sad that the Patriots play their third pre-season game against a lame duck opponent like St Louis.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 02:18 PM
I'm kind of sad that the Patriots play their third pre-season game against a lame duck opponent like St Louis.

I wanna see Bradford play, plus I never really care who we play in the preseason, its all about getting an idea about how the backups/young guys play for me. Guess thats why I like pre season so much.

Grizzlegom
08-26-2010, 02:22 PM
Looks like Derek Anderson is starting this week for the Cards. Whiz won't name permanent starter yet but it looks like the Cards offense is probably going to be similar to the Browns last year with a major bust competing with Derek Anderson who is somehow still making a great living based on like 3 really good games 3 years ago.

marshallb
08-26-2010, 02:28 PM
I wanna see Bradford play, plus I never really care who we play in the preseason, its all about getting an idea about how the backups/young guys play for me. Guess thats why I like pre season so much.

I didn't see how Bradford did at all last game, but he hardly had a chance to throw against the Vikings. iirc he was like 5 for 13 for 50 something yards with 4 sacks and a fumble against the Vikings. I don't know if maybe the Vikings second string DL is that amazing(likely) ;) or if the Rams OL(they had several starters out there with Sam) is that bad.

EDIT: Bradford was actually 6 for 13 for 57 yards sacked 4 times and fumbled once.

nepg
08-26-2010, 02:29 PM
Looks like Derek Anderson is starting this week for the Cards. Whiz won't name permanent starter yet but it looks like the Cards offense is probably going to be similar to the Browns last year with a major bust competing with Derek Anderson who is somehow still making a great living based on like 3 really good games 3 years ago.

Starters rarely play much if at all in the 3rd game, so I wouldn't read into this at all.

umphrey
08-26-2010, 02:31 PM
Aaron Rodgers is supposed to play the entire first half. They usually play the most during the 3rd preseason game, then get most or all of the last one off before week 1.

nepg
08-26-2010, 02:31 PM
I didn't see how Bradford did at all last game, but he hardly had a chance to throw against the Vikings. iirc he was like 5 for 13 for 50 something yards with 4 sacks and a fumble against the Vikings. I don't know if maybe the Vikings second string DL is that amazing(likely) ;) or if the Rams OL(they had several starters out there with Sam) is that bad.

EDIT: Bradford was actually 6 for 13 for 57 yards sacked 4 times and fumbled once.

I think Bradford is that bad. He has no idea what to do in a pro style offense.

sbh15
08-26-2010, 02:51 PM
Starters rarely play much if at all in the 3rd game, so I wouldn't read into this at all.

i thought they typically played about 1/2 of the 3rd game and skipped the 4th enitrely\


I think Bradford is that bad. He has no idea what to do in a pro style offense.

also, why did you italicize "bradford"?

Grizzlegom
08-26-2010, 03:12 PM
this. i think most teams use game 3 as their tune-up game, and game 4 as the 'who's making the team' game.

This. The third game is always the game that most starters play the most in so that fact the Leinart is a healthy scratch has to be very disconcerting for him. He better hope that Anderson looks as bad as he did or he'll be riding the pine this year and getting cut next year when they are taking one of the top QBs in the top ten next year.

Bengals78
08-26-2010, 03:15 PM
This. The third game is always the game that most starters play the most in so that fact the Leinart is a healthy scratch has to be very disconcerting for him. He better hope that Anderson looks as bad as he did or he'll be riding the pine this year and getting cut next year when they are taking one of the top QBs in the top ten next year.

This.
The 3rd game and 4th are my favorite games to watch in preseason.

DoughBoy
08-26-2010, 03:17 PM
This.
The 3rd game and 4th are my favorite games to watch in preseason.

This. I can't believe the NFL wants to cut preseason games back. We need a developmental league.

MidwayMonster31
08-26-2010, 03:21 PM
Schefter also said that Hall and Skelton might be the two best quarterbacks the Cardinals have right now. It's also rumored (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/matt-leinart-benched-for-saturday-could-be-done-in-arizona/?related=1) that Pete Carroll might try and bring him in Seattle (who's next? Reggie Bush?). Even though I don't understand why, as long as Clipboard Jesus is there. It is conceivable that Leinart can get cut if he's not traded. Then they can keep both Hall and Skelton.

CC.SD
08-26-2010, 03:24 PM
Leinart's a scratch for the 3rd preseason game? :0

They better cut him now, that is just brutal.

Fat_Actor
08-26-2010, 03:51 PM
This. I can't believe the NFL wants to cut preseason games back. We need a developmental league.

Isn't that what the UFL is for?

yourfavestoner
08-26-2010, 04:01 PM
http://ccn1.net/POTD6/texas-longhorns-national-champions/usc-trojan-matt-leinart-rose-bowl.jpg

=

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/ncf/2003/0103/photo/dorsey2_i.jpg

Still can't believe he was drafted as high as he was. Or that people had him ranked ahead of Cutler and Young.

PRO STILE OFFENCE!!!!111one

Splat
08-26-2010, 04:04 PM
Cassel don't suck.

Players don't get hurt.

Splat Happy.

yourfavestoner
08-26-2010, 04:06 PM
I think Bradford is that bad. He has no idea what to do in a pro style offense.

Most rookie quarterbacks don't, because nobody runs a pro style offense in college. And they sure as **** don't face pro style defenses.

Fat_Actor
08-26-2010, 04:29 PM
I want to see some more of Kareem Huggins also. This guy I think will make the team.

LonghornsLegend
08-26-2010, 05:18 PM
I want to see some more of Kareem Huggins also. This guy I think will make the team.

You think he'll make the team? He's already got the #2 RB job sewn up over Ward and if he keeps impressing he could be splitting carries with Caddy pretty soon.


Best kept secret in fantasy football right now, he's gonna be the WW pick-up of the year IMO and I've already picked him up way before the masses.

yourfavestoner
08-26-2010, 06:00 PM
You think he'll make the team? He's already got the #2 RB job sewn up over Ward and if he keeps impressing he could be splitting carries with Caddy pretty soon.


Best kept secret in fantasy football right now, he's gonna be the WW pick-up of the year IMO and I've already picked him up way before the masses.

I am very happy you provided me with this information before my 15-team fantasy draft this weekend.

Hines
08-26-2010, 06:36 PM
I'm excited to see how well Dixon does with the starters and to see Pouncey continue to **** **** up.

Scotty D
08-26-2010, 06:38 PM
Brandon Tate 97 yard KR TD

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 06:38 PM
Well that was quick. Tate is looking sexy this off season. Guess I get a look at Bradford sooner than expected.

nepg
08-26-2010, 06:43 PM
Hmmm....who can I drop from for Tate in fantasy... I don't think Torry Holt is washed up completely, and this kid beat out Holt so bad for that outside WR spot that the Pats had to cut Holt the respectful way (IR, then injury settlement).

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 06:46 PM
Nice drive by the Rams.

nepg
08-26-2010, 06:51 PM
Not the best way to start defensively...

Tate with another huge return. I can't wait for the regular season to start...

Brent
08-26-2010, 06:56 PM
Still can't believe he was drafted as high as he was. Or that people had him ranked ahead of Cutler and Young.
Maybe I am in the minority in this, but I thought Dorsey was underrated in that, mentally, he was one hell of a QB. If you took his mental side of the game and put it in a guy like Carson Palmer, you would have had one hell of a prospect.

There is a reason Dorsey stuck around the NFL as long as he did. Watch, he'll be a coach or some **** eventually.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 06:58 PM
Nice to see our D helping Bradford out. Oh and thats just awful.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 07:06 PM
Please start going back to the running game like we had been the last two weeks.

sbh15
08-26-2010, 07:07 PM
addai has looked sharp this pre-season. great run feeling good about him on my fantasy team. and wow green bay looked BAD on defense.

JRTPlaya21
08-26-2010, 07:07 PM
That was fast....

Splat
08-26-2010, 07:07 PM
The Colts can still play O.

lowlife
08-26-2010, 07:09 PM
You think he'll make the team? He's already got the #2 RB job sewn up over Ward and if he keeps impressing he could be splitting carries with Caddy pretty soon.


Best kept secret in fantasy football right now, he's gonna be the WW pick-up of the year IMO and I've already picked him up way before the masses.

You shut your dirty mouth.

No one needs to know of the LEGEND just yet.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 07:15 PM
Brace lives!

phlysac
08-26-2010, 07:18 PM
Hmmm....who can I drop from for Tate in fantasy... I don't think Torry Holt is washed up completely, and this kid beat out Holt so bad for that outside WR spot that the Pats had to cut Holt the respectful way (IR, then injury settlement).

I think that his torn ACL had something to do with the IR and injury settlement, but maybe that's just me.

lowlife
08-26-2010, 07:19 PM
Burnett should have been a Buccaneer :(

SeanTaylorRIP
08-26-2010, 07:41 PM
lol Gruden just called Ryan Grant, Dorsey Levens.

lowlife
08-26-2010, 07:43 PM
PAT SMASH is in.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 07:44 PM
Defenseless reciever. Not sure how I feel about that.

brat316
08-26-2010, 07:45 PM
Defenseless reciever. Not sure how I feel about that.

BS flag...though sanders should be careful

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 07:45 PM
Sexy catch by crumpler after Brady fell and got back up and just threw it at the last second. Sweet.

thenewfeature06
08-26-2010, 07:46 PM
Gruden kills me lol his brain is melting as we speak but wow do I love Bob Sanders and Bracketts wrist or hand could be sprained or broken after looking at that play.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 07:46 PM
Jermichael Finely is gonna shoot up to a top 3 TE this season.

brat316
08-26-2010, 07:47 PM
Damn it Welker is back. And I drafted Elderman thinking he would replace him for 4-6 weeks.

brat316
08-26-2010, 07:49 PM
can't wait for clausen-bj-fanboy-nation to spin this one.

Its all luck...the Pats aren't playing defense everyone knows they don't show their hand in the preseason unless your the Jets.

yourfavestoner
08-26-2010, 07:49 PM
Maybe I am in the minority in this, but I thought Dorsey was underrated in that, mentally, he was one hell of a QB. If you took his mental side of the game and put it in a guy like Carson Palmer, you would have had one hell of a prospect.

There is a reason Dorsey stuck around the NFL as long as he did. Watch, he'll be a coach or some **** eventually.

You're absolutely right. The fact that he has stuck around as long as he has as a backup is a testament to his knowledge about the game.

It really wouldn't surprise me to see him end up a coach. He pretty much fits the profile to a T.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 07:50 PM
BS flag...though sanders should be careful
Had Finley caught that, it would have been a great play by Sanders. I don't think he should be dishing out hits like that in the preseason especially with the graphic they just showed.

Sending Woodson on the blitz there opened up the field for Manning to hit Garcon.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 07:51 PM
Jermichael Finely is gonna shoot up to a top 3 TE this season.


Pssssssh you mean ******* gronkowski will be a top 3 TE at the end of the year? Naaaaa but that was an awesome play.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 07:52 PM
Poor tackling, the DEs broke contain.

Ness
08-26-2010, 07:52 PM
Always a pleasure watching Peyton Manning play the game.

sbh15
08-26-2010, 07:53 PM
Pssssssh you mean ******* gronkowski will be a top 3 TE at the end of the year? Naaaaa but that was an awesome play.

hernandez > gronkowski

stephenson86
08-26-2010, 07:54 PM
omg this new rule is bull ****

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 07:55 PM
Depth at corner is still suspect.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2010, 07:55 PM
This new rule needs to be changed already.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 07:56 PM
omg this new rule is bull ****
I agree. I have a feeling it won't be around much longer. It messes with the tempo of the game.

wonderbredd24
08-26-2010, 07:56 PM
So the QB has to wait for the ref to move his slow ass past the furthest running back? May wanna revisit that

Ness
08-26-2010, 07:56 PM
Wait what new rule?

Ness
08-26-2010, 07:59 PM
Bob Sanders is the smallest human brick wall I've ever seen.

thenewfeature06
08-26-2010, 08:00 PM
Yeah another shoutout to Bob Sanders, Ryan Grant is no ***** at allll and got wrecked........now twice in a row. If dude could stay healthy one of the most exciting players to watch.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 08:00 PM
Wait what new rule?

This, I wanna know whats going on.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2010, 08:03 PM
The umpire is now in the backfield and the QB has to wait for him to spot the ball and get past the deepest RB in the backfield before he snaps the ball.

Scotty D
08-26-2010, 08:05 PM
Bradford looks great, go get him a guy like Vincent Jackson.

wonderbredd24
08-26-2010, 08:06 PM
Aaron Rodgers is just ridiculous

Ness
08-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Bradford looks great, go get him a guy like Vincent Jackson.

That would be a good idea for the Rams actually.

thenewfeature06
08-26-2010, 08:09 PM
Bradford looks great, go get him a guy like Vincent Jackson.

You gotta believe with next years crop of wrs they will, I know they have other holes but there is a nice top tier of wide outs in next years draft that they need to address. Donnie Avery is not a 1 but tries to be lol AJ Green or Michael Floyd would be legit for them.

Vincent Jackson would be sweet but I don't see him leaving SD, Rivers would cry and if I was Rivers I would cry too. They did get rid of Cro for a 5th or 6th sooooo maybe..

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:13 PM
Come on Barnett! What the **** are you trying to prove hitting a guy halfway on his way out of bounds? Not worth 15 yards.

brat316
08-26-2010, 08:20 PM
Rodgers loves that beard.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2010, 08:22 PM
Gruden is so annoying.

SeanTaylorRIP
08-26-2010, 08:24 PM
Brandon James just effed up real bad.

wicket
08-26-2010, 08:26 PM
Brandon James just effed up real bad.

odds that was the play that kills his pro career?

wicket
08-26-2010, 08:27 PM
morgan burnett finally getting his interception that was coming

Scotty D
08-26-2010, 08:27 PM
What ever happened to Atari Bigby?

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:28 PM
morgan burnett finally getting his interception that was coming
Earning that starting safety job.

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 08:28 PM
What ever happened to Atari Bigby?

On the PUP list after getting his knee scoped. Supposed to be out 4-8 weeks...but he is a huge liability in coverage and once he returns might not even be a starter over the rook

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:29 PM
What ever happened to Atari Bigby?
PUP list. Failed a conditioning test too.

Ness
08-26-2010, 08:30 PM
Whooo, Reggie Wayne with an amazing grab.

General Zod
08-26-2010, 08:34 PM
Wow, this pre season game is actually entertaining.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:34 PM
Frank Zombo is in the middle of every play. Really came to play and make a name for himself while trying to make the roster. Definitely helping his cause.

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 08:35 PM
Been watching Zombo and Neal the most on D

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:35 PM
This two minute drill will really expose the new rule.

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 08:37 PM
Finley is a beast

GB12
08-26-2010, 08:38 PM
This two minute drill will really expose the new rule.

They don't use it for under two minutes

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Incredible chemistry there between Rodgers and Finley.

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 08:39 PM
Feel bad for people who haven't had their fantasy draft yet. This game will just further the Finley hype train

GB12
08-26-2010, 08:40 PM
Haha, thanks Hayden

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:40 PM
They don't use it for under two minutes

So why use it at all? I don't get it. If you can't use it in the most crucial times of the game, I don't see the point for the change.

Not a very smart move by Hayden.

lowlife
08-26-2010, 08:41 PM
This two minute drill will really expose the new rule.

He lines up in the old spot within the two minute.

EDIT: Slow on the draw

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:41 PM
Feel bad for people who haven't had their fantasy draft yet. This game will just further the Finley hype train
Second TE taken in my draft, 5th round.

GB12
08-26-2010, 08:41 PM
Aaron motherfuckin Rodgers

nepg
08-26-2010, 08:41 PM
Wow. Brady to Moss in a "**** this ****" moment.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 08:42 PM
65 yard TD to Moss. Love it. D on the other hand.....

http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/clip_collections/back_to_school/0306_1_DI.jpg?width=200

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 08:42 PM
Yeah, gonna be fun to watch the Packers offense this year.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:42 PM
Little bit of a push off by Jones. Nice drive. Stuff you definitely like to see in preseason.

GB12
08-26-2010, 08:43 PM
So why use it at all? I don't get it. If you can't use it in the most crucial times of the game, I don't see the point for the change.

Not a very smart move by Hayden.

Because it gives the official a better view from the new spot. However, as noted, it can slow down the game so they don't want to waste precious seconds with so little time left.

Todd Bertuzzi
08-26-2010, 08:43 PM
This Rodgers guy is kinda good.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 08:45 PM
195 and 3 TD in the first half. Loving it. MVP pick.

CashmoneyDrew
08-26-2010, 08:53 PM
**** man. Every time i watch the packers play i think of the titans passing on aaron rodgers for pacman suck a chode jones.

sbh15
08-26-2010, 08:54 PM
Duck man. Everytime i watch the packets play i think of the titans passing on aaron fidgets for pacman suck a chode jones.

...me too 10char

killxswitch
08-26-2010, 08:55 PM
Epic QB battle tonight. Mannging started off hot but Rogers is the man right now. Him to Finley is looking good. In other news the Colts defense looks like undisciplined crap and the OL looks worse. I just hope Manning survives the season.

CashmoneyDrew
08-26-2010, 08:58 PM
Holy crap, auto-correct on my phone made that last post unreadable.

killxswitch
08-26-2010, 08:59 PM
Holy crap, auto-correct on my phone made that last post unreadable.

Aaron Fidgets?

wonderbredd24
08-26-2010, 09:00 PM
At this point, I'd take Aaron Rodgers over Peyton Manning.

Yea, I said it.

Scotty D
08-26-2010, 09:01 PM
Brady out there in the 4th?

sbh15
08-26-2010, 09:05 PM
Aaron Fidgets?

championship!

(you know, like that tj houshamazode nfl.com fantasy commercial)

prock
08-26-2010, 09:06 PM
The talking heads on MNF have a raging erection for the Packers. It is going to be sooo awesome when they don't meet expectations.

CashmoneyDrew
08-26-2010, 09:06 PM
Aaron Fidgets?

Yeah man, he plays for the Packets. And he says the curse word "duck" a lot.

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 09:09 PM
The talking heads on MNF have a raging erection for the Packers. It is going to be sooo awesome when they don't meet expectations.


You're thinking of the wrong team(but same division)

prock
08-26-2010, 09:12 PM
You're thinking of the wrong team(but same division)

Wait, since when are all the talking heads on the Vikings' nuts?

Splat
08-26-2010, 09:14 PM
Every time i watch the packers play i think of the titans passing on aaron rodgers for pacman suck a chode jones.

O ya well the Chiefs passed on Jim Kelly and Dan Marino for Todd Blackledge.

GB12
08-26-2010, 09:16 PM
Hahaha, I swear Peyton is going to start crying soon

Im_a_Romosexual
08-26-2010, 09:16 PM
WTF Addai?

Splat
08-26-2010, 09:16 PM
Wait, since when are all the talking heads on the Vikings' nuts?

Really?

Favre Favre Favre Favre Favre Favre and our next topic Favre.

GB12
08-26-2010, 09:17 PM
Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhn

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 09:18 PM
Wait, since when are all the talking heads on the Vikings' nuts?

since their white knight showed up again after the vikes sent the 3 wise men to fetch him

falloutboy14
08-26-2010, 09:18 PM
Is this ref position thing going to be in the regular season, or is this just a trial thing?

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 09:20 PM
Wow Addai got blowed up[/Emmit Smith]

prock
08-26-2010, 09:22 PM
So covering Favre's decision = everyone picking the Vikings to win the Super Bowl. Got it.

BeerBaron
08-26-2010, 09:22 PM
O ya well the Chiefs passed on Jim Kelly and Dan Marino for Todd Blackledge.

Everybody but the Dolphins and Redskins (and anyone who may not have had a first rounder) passed on Marino, and all but the Broncos (after they traded for Elway) have to regret it.

And I know what you're thinking, and yes, even the Bills. Give Marino 4 cracks at a Superbowl with legitimate weapons and he wins at least one of them.

nepg
08-26-2010, 09:24 PM
Brady out there in the 4th?

Finishing up a drive.

Splat
08-26-2010, 09:26 PM
Everybody but the Dolphins and Redskins (and anyone who may not have had a first rounder) passed on Marino, and all but the Broncos (after they traded for Elway) have to regret it.

Yes but the Chiefs took a QB so the sting is much worse.

Jvig43
08-26-2010, 09:35 PM
Really?

Favre Favre Favre Favre Favre Favre and our next topic Favre.


lol, how could you not think of that right after thinking "when do people talk up the vikings".

BeerBaron
08-26-2010, 09:37 PM
Yes but the Chiefs took a QB so the sting is much worse.

Yeah......and I don't think it was a situation thing for either guy. Blackledge would have sucked no matter where he went and Marino was going to be great no matter where he went.

TitleTown088
08-26-2010, 09:45 PM
If your team dosen't have a QB, start loooking at Matt Flynn down the road. Gonna be a solid QB.

Splat
08-26-2010, 09:50 PM
The Jets and B-More is a pretty dang good game to start off MNF, and then I get to watch Rivers pick apart my Chiefs.:(

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 09:53 PM
Wait, since when are all the talking heads on the Vikings' nuts?

Really?

Favre Favre Favre Favre Favre Favre and our next topic Favre.
This. Everyone is on the Vikings nuts since Favre went there.

If your team dosen't have a QB, start loooking at Matt Flynn down the road. Gonna be a solid QB.
Matt Flynn has developed very nicely. Hard to believe that he was the better prospect in the same draft we picked Brohm in the second round. He can be Rodgers' Doug Pederson.

TitleTown088
08-26-2010, 09:54 PM
This. Everyone is on the Vikings nuts since Favre went there.


Matt Flynn has developed very nicely. Hard to believe that he was the better prospect in the same draft we picked Brohm in the second round. He can be Rodgers' Doug Pederson.

I'm thinking more Hasselback-esque. He'll be trade bait in the future he's starter material unlike Peterson.

Babylon
08-26-2010, 09:59 PM
Finishing up a drive.

Not sure who was out but the D looks like they may have some problems bro.

GB12
08-26-2010, 10:01 PM
Wow that was a nice looking return.

TitleTown088
08-26-2010, 10:02 PM
Wow that was a nice looking return.

Ya, I doubt there's a roster spot for Cherry though. Packers are way to deep.

tjsunstein
08-26-2010, 10:03 PM
Dive Right In

While still a fan favorite and favorite target of Aaron Rogers, the reality is an aging Donald Diver is a fantasy risk. Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k10packers32q)Super Bowl preview? (http://sports.espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/15355/setting-up-packers-colts)

Are you kidding me ESPN? Are you kidding? On the front page? Way to be.

GB12
08-26-2010, 10:06 PM
Ya, I doubt there's a roster spot for Cherry though. Packers are way to deep.

If he's a quality returner he could be kept as the 5th WR over Swain. It's not like Swain has been terribly impressive and we don't even use or 5th WR anymore because of Finley.

However that was the first time Chery has really shown anything.

Splat
08-26-2010, 10:09 PM
However that was the first time Chery has really shown anything.

You could say he popped his Chery.

Splat
08-26-2010, 10:17 PM
Well that was pretty much a complete game by GB.

BloodBrother
08-26-2010, 10:56 PM
Dive Right In

While still a fan favorite and favorite target of Aaron Rogers, the reality is an aging Donald Diver is a fantasy risk. Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k10packers32q)Super Bowl preview? (http://sports.espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/15355/setting-up-packers-colts)

Are you kidding me ESPN? Are you kidding? On the front page? Way to be.


That's not the only name they spelled wrong. Quality stuff, as usual, ESPN

yourfavestoner
08-26-2010, 10:56 PM
Is umpire rule a good example of why maybe they should stop and think about changing rules for reasons other than it sounding good? I hope this blows up in the competition committee's face.

GB12
08-26-2010, 10:58 PM
Well they can't do anything about it until the offseason

Brown Leader
08-27-2010, 12:04 AM
Is that 2 concussions now for Ryan Grant in about 3 quarters of play this preseason?

Scotty D
08-27-2010, 01:04 AM
Rob Gronkowski or Aaron Hernandez?

sbh15
08-27-2010, 01:21 AM
Rob Gronkowski or Aaron Hernandez?

brady seems to have a serious connection with both. they're so different though, and with hernandez's receiving abilities he could line up at wr with gronk at te. i think they both are impact players this year. as a gator fan and homer, i obviously like hernandez more.

senormysterioso
08-27-2010, 02:02 AM
not to brag or anything, but I was at the Packers game tonight...in Ted Thompson's private box, without paying a dime...cool, huh?

BloodBrother
08-27-2010, 03:08 AM
Is that 2 concussions now for Ryan Grant in about 3 quarters of play this preseason?

Who said he has a concussion? Haven't read a thing and there was nothing reported by the Packers coach about any injury to Grant at all

AntoinCD
08-27-2010, 04:22 AM
Rob Gronkowski or Aaron Hernandez?

Im gonna say Gronkowski. Hernandez is going to be a great weapon for Brady and will put up better stats than Gronk, especially this year, but Gronkowski is just an animal in the run game.

Him and Vollmer on the right hand side of the line=pure nastiness

killxswitch
08-27-2010, 07:37 AM
Well the Colts made it out of that one with a broken forearm for Gary Brackett (thanks Philip Wheeler you ****!), a concussion for Joseph Addai and Jacob Lacey, an exposed OL that couldn't stop a DL of toddlers on Big Wheels, and a severe ass whipping. I'm glad it's only preseason but dammit I am not ready for Pat Angerer as our starting MLB this year.

scottyboy
08-27-2010, 07:51 AM
wait, is Gary's injury really that bad? please say it ain't so!

killxswitch
08-27-2010, 08:01 AM
wait, is Gary's injury really that bad? please say it ain't so!

Probably 4-6 weeks! Can you believe it? Wheeler is such a worthless *****. His hit on GB was his ONLY hit of the game.

J-Mike88
08-27-2010, 08:13 AM
Probably 4-6 weeks! Can you believe it? Wheeler is such a worthless *****. His hit on GB was his ONLY hit of the game.
The guy I wanted in the draft, Jerry Hughes, looked like sh*t last night. He didn't even play against our 1st stringers, but still, he was man-handled by our #5 TE Tommy Crabtree.

I still believe Hughes would have been a better 3-4 OLB than standup DE, but I expect he ends up good anyway with the Colts.

While my team made me sleep well last night, knowing our offense is as good as any in the NFL, my overall feeling from last night and waking up this morning is sadness because of Donnie Avery of the Rams. I hate bad knee/leg injuries so badly and wish there was something we could and WILL do to cut down on these.

His, and our guys Aaron Kampman and Al Harris last year all ripped their knees on plays when nobody even banged into their leg/knee the wrong way.
Harris and Kampman were basically untouched.

Avery last night was just from leaping, reminded me of Chipper Jones' torn ACL a few weeks ago.

J-Mike88
08-27-2010, 08:18 AM
Well the Colts made it out of that one with a broken forearm for Gary Brackett (thanks Philip Wheeler you ****!)
Wheeler, like Bob Sanders, always lead with their head in and down. I'm sorry but I'm glad Wheeler hurt one of his own guys with the reckless method of "tackling".

I'm sick of NFL players using their heads as missiles diving into piles and targets. I like guys that keep their head up and look at who they are tackling.

I believe the Vikings EJ Henderson's leg was shattered in a similar manner with his own DB flying in with his head to take out the Cardinal, but missed.

This should be the leagues next big safety emphasis, like the horse-collar was and then the Brady rule was. They gotta figure out which reckless tackles are causing injuries unnecessarily and hike up the penalties for them. I know they are trying with the defenseless receivers, but there are still too many plays in every game I see that defenders are throwing their heads-first into piles.

Give these tough guys the leather helmets from the 1940's instead of these rock hard armored shells, and let's see if they keep using their helmets as weapons.

scottyboy
08-27-2010, 08:40 AM
ugh, well at least 4-6 weeks isn't all THAT bad. still sucks though. boo! :(

umphrey
08-27-2010, 08:45 AM
I don't think it's too homer at this point to say the Packers have 60-70 guys worth a roster spot including 5 TEs, 3 FBs, 10 OL. Spitz, Donald Lee, Tom Crabtree, Quinn Johnson, even Graham Harrell are all going to be on the trading block and while far from being blockbuster trade bait they would make an impact on a lot of rosters.

killxswitch
08-27-2010, 09:22 AM
Wheeler, like Bob Sanders, always lead with their head in and down. I'm sorry but I'm glad Wheeler hurt one of his own guys with the reckless method of "tackling".

I'm sick of NFL players using their heads as missiles diving into piles and targets. I like guys that keep their head up and look at who they are tackling.

I believe the Vikings EJ Henderson's leg was shattered in a similar manner with his own DB flying in with his head to take out the Cardinal, but missed.

This should be the leagues next big safety emphasis, like the horse-collar was and then the Brady rule was. They gotta figure out which reckless tackles are causing injuries unnecessarily and hike up the penalties for them. I know they are trying with the defenseless receivers, but there are still too many plays in every game I see that defenders are throwing their heads-first into piles.

Give these tough guys the leather helmets from the 1940's instead of these rock hard armored shells, and let's see if they keep using their helmets as weapons.

I agree about Sanders, I love the way he plays but not only does that increase the risk for others it increases his own risk of injury. I think leading with the helmet is already a 15 yard penalty but I don't see it called that often. It is probably a hard penalty to call given the refs viewing angles.

yourfavestoner
08-27-2010, 10:20 AM
Wheeler, like Bob Sanders, always lead with their head in and down. I'm sorry but I'm glad Wheeler hurt one of his own guys with the reckless method of "tackling".

I'm sick of NFL players using their heads as missiles diving into piles and targets. I like guys that keep their head up and look at who they are tackling.

I believe the Vikings EJ Henderson's leg was shattered in a similar manner with his own DB flying in with his head to take out the Cardinal, but missed.

This should be the leagues next big safety emphasis, like the horse-collar was and then the Brady rule was. They gotta figure out which reckless tackles are causing injuries unnecessarily and hike up the penalties for them. I know they are trying with the defenseless receivers, but there are still too many plays in every game I see that defenders are throwing their heads-first into piles.

Give these tough guys the leather helmets from the 1940's instead of these rock hard armored shells, and let's see if they keep using their helmets as weapons.

Or just take facemasks out of the game.

bigbluedefense
08-27-2010, 11:20 AM
I think Randy Moss is going to have a huge year.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 11:28 AM
I think Randy Moss is going to have a huge year.
Everyone is sleeping on the Patriots, especially their offense.

Don Vito
08-27-2010, 11:32 AM
I am so pumped to have Gronkowski and Hernandez, they both have looked great this pre-season for rookies. Gronkowski can do it all and Hernandez will be a very versatile weapon.

Dolphins/Falcons tonight, you know what that means...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8ssNdLxsaxU/Sc0tfl0I4tI/AAAAAAAAEAQ/vd_nBUQWwww/s400/Jerry_Peria102205b_crop.jpg

vs.

http://www.giantsgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/john_jerry.jpg

Big brother against little brother, battle of the Jerry's baby.

Babylon
08-27-2010, 11:32 AM
Everyone is sleeping on the Patriots, especially their offense.

I think the sleeping is concerning the defense which from what i've seen lately isnt championship quality.

As for the Green Bay talk i think they have one of the better rosters in the league along with a few teams like the Bengals and the Cowboys.

Basileus777
08-27-2010, 11:41 AM
their running game is probably the worst in the nfl.

What exactly in this based on?

Addict
08-27-2010, 11:43 AM
their defense is weak and their running game is probably the worst in the nfl. there's good reason to hit the snooze button a few times.

you can pretty much say the same thing about the colts.

LonghornsLegend
08-27-2010, 11:44 AM
Jermichael Finley is the sex.

yourfavestoner
08-27-2010, 11:47 AM
don't entirely disagree, but i haven't seen enough of the colts to say anything either way.



watching them play? what, you think the incredible combination of sammy morris, bjge and laurence maroney is anything other than utterly atrocious?

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Buffalo+Bills+v+New+England+Patriots+7Uq0iF7M8Xgl. jpg

;)

Basileus777
08-27-2010, 11:50 AM
watching them play? what, you think the incredible combination of sammy morris, bjge and laurence maroney is anything other than utterly atrocious?

Because it wasn't last year? You're far too hung up on the fact that the Pats have a bunch of journeymen at RB, it's not that important. The Pats never have a terrible running game, and they won't as long as they have that passing attack.

Jvig43
08-27-2010, 11:50 AM
I think the sleeping is concerning the defense which from what i've seen lately isnt championship quality.

As for the Green Bay talk i think they have one of the better rosters in the league along with a few teams like the Bengals and the Cowboys.


The defense against the Saints and Falcons looked good, then last night they came out with no energy and made alot of stupid mistakes. We can run the ball, we just dont and that along with not having a true number one back is why people see us not running well. We can run the ball, we just dont. That had looked like it was changing, but last night we looked like a complete different team than the last two games. Thank god its pre season.

Brown Leader
08-27-2010, 11:51 AM
Who said he has a concussion? Haven't read a thing and there was nothing reported by the Packers coach about any injury to Grant at all

He staggered around in the first preseason game after being hit by Brown and needed to be helped off the field. Last night he was rocked by Bob with a helmet to the jaw and looked seriously woozy imo. The next play he fumbled-a rarity for him-came out the game and never returned...thus my question.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 11:52 AM
Jermichael Finley is the sex.
I'm naturally on the Finley bandwagon being a Packers fan but it seems as if he's going to become one of the more hyped up players as the season continues leading to Finleyzzz to pair with Jordyzzz. I really hope this doesn't happen because it is annoying.

Don Vito
08-27-2010, 11:55 AM
Everyone is sleeping on the Patriots, especially their offense.

I am concerned with talent along our OL (especially if/when Mankins is traded) and in our pass rush, but I think we will still have good units. I am worried about the running game and the pass rush on paper, but BB is looking for guys to step up I guess. Light could be serviceable at LT, Vollmer will be very good at RT, Koppen is aging at C, Neal is still a very good RG but he is oft injured, and Mankins probably won't play another game in a Pats uniform. Losing Mankins will hurt a lot considering he is our best OL, we will lose one of the best things our OL had in that they have played as a unit for so long, and now we will need an unproven guy in there. We don't really have any back up that stands out more than the rest, and certainly none of them are Logan Mankins.

I wanted to see a more balanced offense, the type that we won championships with, but it looks like we are going to have to rely on our passing game a lot. I think BJGE could be a very nice option at RB for us, he isn't very quick or explosive, but he is a powerful north-south guy. Fred Taylor could be productive if he stays healthy, but therein lies the problem. Maroney is Maroney, who knows what we will get out of him. Faulk is still a dependable third down guy but he is really getting up there in age. I think we have a decent group of runners; none of them are anything close to franchise backs but I think if our OL gels, the offense tries to run the ball more, and plays well then we could have a decent running game. But right now all signs point to a pass heavy offense.

On defense, Wilfork is a beast in the middle. Losing Ty Warren hurts and there is no debate about that, we will need some guys to step up. Gerard Warren has looked pretty good though. Mayo needs to stay healthy, and I think he will benefit from having Spikes next to him on running downs. Tyrone McKenzie and Gary Guyton look to be nice coverage backers for us, I am really excited to see what McKenzie can do. As for pass rushers, nobody really knows what to expect. Every Pats fan wanted us to add one of the big name rushers in the draft and we didn't, but we took Cunningham in the second. He is talented but I doubt he will be a big impact rookie, I do like what he could bring to this team though. TBC is a solid OLB in our defense. He isn't DeMarcus Ware, but he is a solid player. He might not be an ideal #1 pass rusher, but we are going to need someone to step up opposite him.

The secondary is young and very talented, they would really benefit from a pass rush.. Meriweather headlines the DB's, he had a very good year last year but still will make mistakes sometimes. Pat Chung has looked really good in pre-season, James Sanders is a smart and tough safety, and Brandon McGowan is a good safety in his own right. We have 4 safeties who could potentially be NFL starters and I am excited about that unit, they will all play but look for Meriweather and Chung to start. Bodden is our top corner and Butler will probably start opposite him, he needs to be more consistent but he has huge potential. McCourty will probably make his biggest impact on ST's but he will see a lot of time on defense too, I think he has a great future here. Wilhite, Wheatley, and Kyle Arrington will compete for the fourth and fifth spots while the odd man out could not make the team. I like our secondary a lot, but you could have two Revis' and two Ed Reed's back there, if a good NFL QB has more than 5 seconds to throw then you are in trouble.

This team looks more like the Pats teams of old with a lot of tough team oriented guys back in the fold. However; we have questions along the OL, at RB, and with our pass rush. I am much more excited about this team than last year's team though, we don't have the highest expectations right now so yes I do think we could surprise some people if some players step up.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 11:56 AM
Jermichael Finley is the sex.

He staggered around in the first preseason game after being hit by Brown and needed to be helped off the field. Last night he was rocked by Bob with a helmet to the jaw and looked seriously woozy imo. The next play he fumbled-a rarity for him-came out the game and never returned...thus my question.
He suffered a minor concussion two weeks ago. McCarthy kept him in there after the big hit from Sanders, which I didn't like, and he fumbled the next play so he was pulled from the game. Just precautionary although I'm unsure of his status for next week at this point. I'm sure he'll play, even if limited. He's gone some obscene amount of regular season carries without fumbling so the fumble following the hit from Sanders was obviously a concern for McCarthy.

Basileus777
08-27-2010, 11:58 AM
wait, are you serious? you think i just looked at their bloody roster and figured they'd suck because the names suck? or did you, perhaps, actually stop and READ the post you quoted where i mentioned WATCHING THEM. i know those are some pretty big words. just read them slowly.

further, 'never have a terrible running game' based on what? stats? or you know, actual effectiveness?

Yeah, based on stats. What else am I supposed to base it on, one preseason game? They didn't even try to run last night. 1st two games they did and run it successfully against the Saints and Falcons. Last night they worked in shotgun the entire game.

The Pats were 12th in rushing last year
6th in 2008
13th in 2007
12th in 2006

Notice a trend?

They Pats run game is mediocre, calling it the worst in the league is silly hyperbole, and has no real basis at all.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 12:03 PM
Yeah, based on stats. What else am I supposed to base it on, one preseason game? They didn't even try to run last night. 1st two games they did and run it successfully against the Saints and Falcons. Last night they worked in shotgun the entire game.

The Pats were 12th in rushing last year
6th in 2008
13th in 2007
12th in 2006

Notice a trend?

They Pats run game is mediocre, calling it the worst in the league is silly hyperbole, and has no real basis at all.
I do see a trend, Logan Mankins. I wouldn't call them the worst in the league but I pin them to hover around the 15-18 area when it's said and done this year. I do, however, like them as a potential division winner. I think the Jets are vastly overrated at this point especially without Revis, who was so vital in beating the Patriots. Everyone likes to forget that the Jets were just as close as anyone to missing the playoffs last year. I find it hard to believe that the defense will outperform the one from last year, even with the return of Kris Jenkins.

Basileus777
08-27-2010, 12:04 PM
I do see a trend, Logan Mankins. I wouldn't call them the worst in the league but I pin them to hover around the 15-18 area when it's said and done this year. I do, however, like them as a potential division winner. I think the Jets are vastly overrated at this point.

That's entirely reasonable. The Pats don't have a great run game. But I don't think there's any chance they are the worst in the league.

Saints-Tigers
08-27-2010, 12:05 PM
Pats looked outstanding against the Saints. They just seem to be in rhythm already.

Brady just looks on fire this year, and they have way too many weapons in the passing game.

nepg
08-27-2010, 12:18 PM
#24 in 2005
#7 in 2004 (pre-Mankins)
#27 in 2003
#28 in 2002
#13 in 2001

There's no real trend... Corey Dillon came in in 2004 and tore it up. He was beat up and less effective in 2005, then he split carries with Maroney in 2006.

I think the recent change to the running game has been what Josh McDaniels implemented into the offense. Using 3-5 runningbacks in roles in which they excel rather than leaning on one or two guys to get it done in any situation (prime example being 2008).

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 12:20 PM
#24 in 2005
#7 in 2004 (pre-Mankins)
#27 in 2003
#28 in 2002
#13 in 2001

There's no real trend... Corey Dillon came in in 2004 and tore it up. He was beat up and less effective in 2005, then he split carries with Maroney in 2006.

I think the recent change to the running game has been what Josh McDaniels implemented into the offense. Using 3-5 runningbacks in roles in which they excel rather than leaning on one or two guys to get it done in any situation (prime example being 2008).
Was it Josh McDaniels or BB? Even when they were #7 pre-Mankins, they improved considerably when Mankins matured.

nepg
08-27-2010, 12:21 PM
That's entirely reasonable. The Pats don't have a great run game. But I don't think there's any chance they are the worst in the league.

And with their short passing game, they really don't need a running game. What is a team going to do when Tate is on fire opposite Moss, and Edelman and Welker are in the slot together.... The Pats, in the past, have used their passing game as a proxy running game. It's one of the things they do.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 12:22 PM
except, you know, when they tried to run and got stuffed. over and over again. by the rams.

notice the word 'is' in my original statement? care to hazard a guess as to what it means?

that's utterly untrue. as of last night/this morning, it IS the worst run game in the league. the offensive line was mediocre. the running backs are awful. might that change? sure. that's why i didn't say 'will be'. you should probably learn to english before hitting submit again.
NFL.com has them 21st for the preseason?

TACKLE
08-27-2010, 12:26 PM
On a related note, I think Fred Taylor is going to bounce back with a big season this year.

Basileus777
08-27-2010, 12:30 PM
except, you know, when they tried to run and got stuffed. over and over again. by the rams.



notice the word 'is' in my original statement? care to hazard a guess as to what it means?



that's utterly untrue. as of last night/this morning, it IS the worst run game in the league. the offensive line was mediocre. the running backs are awful. might that change? sure. that's why i didn't say 'will be'. you should probably learn to english before hitting submit again.

Well, that's an interesting way to backtrack, but you really do love pointless arguments about semantics.

Fine then, based on one pre-season game, the Pats have the worst running game in the NFL, whatever that means. But it was great insight in the context of people sleeping on the Pats offense this coming season.

yourfavestoner
08-27-2010, 12:30 PM
On a related note, I think Fred Taylor is going to bounce back with a big season this year.

CPOTY right there.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 12:32 PM
so luke mccown is the third best qb in the league? or are stats maybe a piss poor way of making an argument?
I don't get it. I give you factual evidence that goes against your statement that they are the worst running team in the league right now but that's not good enough?

yourfavestoner
08-27-2010, 12:35 PM
so luke mccown is the third best qb in the league? or are stats maybe a piss poor way of making an argument?

He will be once we wrestles the starting job away from David Garrard.

yourfavestoner
08-27-2010, 12:42 PM
i remember when that was garrard being talked about, and leftwich being replaced...


I still think they got rid of the wrong QB. They're both so painfully average, though, who knows.

I'm just hoping Garrard tanks it so we can finally get rid of him and draft a real QB.

bigbluedefense
08-27-2010, 01:28 PM
Kevin Faulk ftw.

The Pats dont run the ball anyway. They've been an almost exclusive pass oriented offense for the past 3 years.

The bubble screen to Wes Welker is their version of a run play.

Shiver
08-27-2010, 01:41 PM
The Patriots have adopted the 2008 Denver Broncos approach to running the football. Eight different guys, all under 600 yards, but still productive on paper. Really they could flip a coin and get the same production regardless of whether they put in Taylor, Morris, Maroney or BJGE.

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 01:44 PM
Honestly, their most important piece at the position is still Kevin Faulk. Best and most consistent 3rd down back there is.

scottyboy
08-27-2010, 03:15 PM
McCourty will single handedly win games for the pats.

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 03:18 PM
McCourty will single handedly win games for the pats.

What if they play the Ravens?

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww120/mikemayhem1234_bucket/Baron_Von_Prairie_by_supernitro.gif

Babylon
08-27-2010, 03:31 PM
The Pats will never be terrible at running the ball as long as Brady is there. You just cant afford to bring an extra guy up into the box, sort of just the opposite.

Babylon
08-27-2010, 03:34 PM
The defense against the Saints and Falcons looked good, then last night they came out with no energy and made alot of stupid mistakes. We can run the ball, we just dont and that along with not having a true number one back is why people see us not running well. We can run the ball, we just dont. That had looked like it was changing, but last night we looked like a complete different team than the last two games. Thank god its pre season.

With a healthy Welker and the new TEs i'm not worried about the offense, even if they are not great at running the ball. Defensively i think they're still trying to get back what they had when Seymour and co. were there.

bigbluedefense
08-27-2010, 03:37 PM
Ever since spygate Bellichick has been trying to win with offensive firepower, opposed to his "brilliant" defensive schemes.

There was a notion in the past that Bellichick was able to win with average players on defense, and that it was all his scheme's doing.

I think we can all laugh at that notion now. If you go back and look at the talent he had on those defenses, they were loaded. And they never got the credit they deserved bc it all went to Bellichick.

I do like the young defense he is putting together though. The injury to Warren hurts them bad, but he's a pass rusher away from having a good defense.

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 03:42 PM
The anti-defense rule changes hurt Bellichick too. Bill Polian got tired of seeing Ty Law rape Marvin Harrison in the playoffs, threw his weight around a bit (and some league employees up against walls), and put an end to Bellichick's defensive genius.

Babylon
08-27-2010, 03:48 PM
yup. just like in 2007 when they ran for 45 yards on 16 carries and lost by 3. with the "greatest team of all time".

i love that people want to give the patriots a pass on everything because they're the patriots. this is not a team without flaws. as demonstrated every year since 2004.



not to say that he wasn't hurt by the rule changes, but isn't this just the cyclic nature of the nfl? today's brilliant defensive scheme is tomorrow's swiss cheese. the fact that belichick was running it doesn't make that any less true.

My point is they'll score enough points to win nearly all their games. You did see the part where i said they had some serious problems on the other side of the ball.

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 03:54 PM
not to say that he wasn't hurt by the rule changes, but isn't this just the cyclic nature of the nfl? today's brilliant defensive scheme is tomorrow's swiss cheese. the fact that belichick was running it doesn't make that any less true.

Well, since it's such a copycat league, I guess whoever comes up with it first would be the genius, at least until it's turned into that swiss cheese.

Those teams had good defensive talent in some spots, like Law and Seymour, but so many of the players were castoffs from other teams that Bellichick found a way to utilize better than anyone else could. Plunking Ted Washington in at nose, Harrison was seen as a dirty player who had been suspended a few times iirc...Vrabel was a man without a position early in his career.

I think he definitely was a genius, you have to be doing something right to win 3 Superbowls in 4 years. Then those rule changes plus other teams having more time to copy him or figure him out started to hurt him, and he hasn't yet adjusted.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 03:58 PM
you gave me a single statistic. have you seen their starters play?
Have you seen every starting unit play in their entirety? My guess is no so for now, we'll stick to hard evidence such as stats.

do you understand what you gave me evidence of (regarding starters playing, backups playing, guys who won't make the team playing)?
I'm sorry I though football was a team sport. With the Patriots system using every RB on their team, the preseason stats are probably more of an accurate depiction of what is to come this year than any other team.

why do you think a game-total for rushing yards has ANY relevance in the conversation? do you actually know what the original conversation was about before basileus decided he wanted to fail at reading?
Actually, yes, I started it. People are sleeping on the Patriots. I guess I'll mark you down as one of them. Everything you post seems to be a question. Please stop trying to pass your opinion off as fact. The Patriots are not the worst rushing team in the NFL.

tjsunstein
08-27-2010, 04:25 PM
Obviously you're going to take everything said to the extreme which makes it hard to converse.

Which opinion of mine was I trying to pass off as fact, again? That the Patriots won't be the worst running team in the NFL?

TitanHope
08-27-2010, 05:02 PM
Just saw Bob Sanders make a hit on Jermichael Finley on SportsNation. Glad to see the guy back on the field and flying around. He's one of my favorite non-Titans players around and I love watching him play.

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 05:51 PM
Just saw Bob Sanders make a hit on Jermichael Finley on SportsNation. Glad to see the guy back on the field and flying around. He's one of my favorite non-Titans players around and I love watching him play.

One of your fave non-Titans is a Colt?

:0

DoughBoy
08-27-2010, 05:56 PM
WTF TH????

scottyboy
08-27-2010, 06:00 PM
What if they play the Ravens?

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww120/mikemayhem1234_bucket/Baron_Von_Prairie_by_supernitro.gif

why are you so...******* awesome?

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 06:05 PM
Btw, does anyone else think that it's just fantastic how this umpire thing is hurting the Colts? I love seeing Manning *****...

Babylon
08-27-2010, 06:11 PM
Btw, does anyone else think that it's just fantastic how this umpire thing is hurting the Colts? I love seeing Manning *****...

Yes and no. Like seeing something fluster Manning but if they want to outlaw or slow down the hurryup why dont they just come out and say it.

Splat
08-27-2010, 06:15 PM
One of your fave non-Titans is a Colt?

:0

One of my favorite non-Chiefs is Rivers my brother hates me for it.

Shiver
08-27-2010, 06:17 PM
Ever since spygate Bellichick has been trying to win with offensive firepower, opposed to his "brilliant" defensive schemes.

There was a notion in the past that Bellichick was able to win with average players on defense, and that it was all his scheme's doing.

I think we can all laugh at that notion now. If you go back and look at the talent he had on those defenses, they were loaded. And they never got the credit they deserved bc it all went to Bellichick.

I agree wholeheartedly. I really, really hate how much praise/criticism coaching gets. For example, where I live: I can't wait until people notice that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis won't be the panacea that KC fans think they will be.

yourfavestoner
08-27-2010, 06:20 PM
I agree wholeheartedly. I really, really hate how much praise/criticism coaching gets. For example, where I live: I can't wait until people notice that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis won't be the panacea that KC fans think they will be.

Players>plays

Always, always, always.

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 06:27 PM
One of my favorite non-Chiefs is Rivers my brother hates me for it.

But I love you for it.

Shiver
08-27-2010, 06:30 PM
Matt Ryan's lack of deep ball accuracy is worrying me to death.

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 06:31 PM
http://www.holistic-evolution-spiral.com/images/dontpanic.jpg

Complex
08-27-2010, 06:33 PM
Ever since spygate Bellichick has been trying to win with offensive firepower, opposed to his "brilliant" defensive schemes.

There was a notion in the past that Bellichick was able to win with average players on defense, and that it was all his scheme's doing.

I think we can all laugh at that notion now. If you go back and look at the talent he had on those defenses, they were loaded. And they never got the credit they deserved bc it all went to Bellichick.

I do like the young defense he is putting together though. The injury to Warren hurts them bad, but he's a pass rusher away from having a good defense.

I remember when Troy Brown looked alright at corner and the media was all over Bills nuts. Now Bill is has a okay defense with a bunch 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks. The spygate films helped him alot

Shiver
08-27-2010, 06:34 PM
Trade you Ryan for Rivers.

http://irishcalvinist.com/files/2006/07/jedi-mind-trick.jpg

Shiver
08-27-2010, 06:35 PM
By the way, Kroy Biermann is pure sex appeal.

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 06:36 PM
Trade you Ryan for Rivers.

http://irishcalvinist.com/files/2006/07/jedi-mind-trick.jpg

OK!


http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv116/yazminowsky/borat-not-jb.jpg

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 06:58 PM
Henne and Marshall haven't even been close to the same page tonight.

21ST
08-27-2010, 07:07 PM
mark sanchez is lookin pretty bad out here

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 07:10 PM
Ryan Mathews makes me feel funny inside

Hurricanes25
08-27-2010, 07:10 PM
mark sanchez is lookin pretty bad out here

I would love to see what he sees. He throws into double coverage way too much.

At least Tomlinson is looking pretty damn good.

FuzzyGopher
08-27-2010, 07:11 PM
LT just put a nasty move on HB Blades.

Splat
08-27-2010, 07:14 PM
Cassel sucks.

wicket
08-27-2010, 07:15 PM
saints rush D looking terrible again

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 07:15 PM
saints rush D looking terrible again

They should draft another first round CB. That'll fix it right up.

J-Mike88
08-27-2010, 07:16 PM
mark sanchez is lookin pretty bad out here
That's why he will remain the question mark until they reach the playoffs and then Super Bowl. He looks clueless so many times. I mean sometimes he looks like Trent Edwards or..... gulp.... Ryan Leaf.

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 07:16 PM
I have seen a lot of football in my life and just witnessed one of the prettiest TD drives in a long, long while. Rivers 5/6 for 44, Mathews 5 for 32 in style.

I am glad the NFL is back.

J-Mike88
08-27-2010, 07:16 PM
Cassel sucks.
But he's rich. Conned Pioli for millions.

Splat
08-27-2010, 07:18 PM
mark sanchez is lookin pretty bad out here

He can't look worse then Matt "I hang on to the ball for an hour then try to run and get sacked" Cassel.

wicket
08-27-2010, 07:18 PM
They should draft another first round CB. That'll fix it right up.

dont get me started, that pick still makes me want to punch babies

NOLAFan
08-27-2010, 07:19 PM
He can't look worse then Matt "I hang on to the ball for an hour then try to run and get sacked" Cassel.

As i read this i thought you were gonna say Leinnart(at this point idc if its spelled correctly)

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 07:20 PM
dont get me started, that pick still makes me want to punch babies

But how do you really feel :D What is Jenkins' role these days?

NOLAFan
08-27-2010, 07:20 PM
But how do you really feel :D What is Jenkins' role these days?

He's filling in for Sharper.

21ST
08-27-2010, 07:21 PM
Sexy rexy said **** it im kicking the ball

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 07:24 PM
Every Saints fan and Drew Brees fantasy owner just held their breath on that play....hit high, hit low and stripped....yikes. Lucky he's ok.

CC.SD
08-27-2010, 07:27 PM
Get Drew out

Jvig43
08-27-2010, 07:33 PM
Charger fans, how is Eric weddle doing for you guys?

Thecollegedropout
08-27-2010, 07:33 PM
Just saw 2 of the worst calls in the Jets/Skins game near the end of the 2nd half. Happened on back to back plays too.

And Sanchez has looked pretty shaky. The Holmes fumble drive might have led to something promise had he hanged onto it though.

And Folk almost hit a 62 yder. Went like 57-58 lol

wicket
08-27-2010, 07:35 PM
lol @ saints TD

Splat
08-27-2010, 07:38 PM
Blah blah blah insert cus word Chiefs.

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 07:39 PM
Blah blah blah insert cus word Chiefs.

Gonna be a long year, eh?

wicket
08-27-2010, 07:41 PM
chief game is prolly the worst set of passing stats ive seen this preseason, kobl 2-7 for zilch and cassels only completion being the interception

Splat
08-27-2010, 07:41 PM
At least the upgraded stadium looks nice. =(

TitanHope
08-27-2010, 07:42 PM
One of your fave non-Titans is a Colt?

:0

WTF TH????

I. Lurve. Bob. Sanders.

That's right. I said it.

He's a safety.
Safety is my favorite position.

He's short.
I'm short.

He went to college at Iowa.
I once drove through Iowa with my dad.


There's a lot for me to relate to, y'know?

wicket
08-27-2010, 07:44 PM
i dont know who was covering malcolm floyd but dayum, ow yeah it was shanle being useless liek always

NOLAFan
08-27-2010, 07:45 PM
God Shanle you are freaking awful

21ST
08-27-2010, 07:46 PM
Kolb Grossman Cassel and Sanchez all looking bad

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 07:47 PM
Grossman......

...........

...... pray McNabb stays healthy forever skins fans.

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 07:49 PM
Do not get hurt Pierre. My fantasy RB depth is terrible and literally every possible backup has already been scavenged.

Splat
08-27-2010, 07:49 PM
Grossman......

...........

...... pray McNabb stays healthy forever skins fans.

I think Eagles fans are going to be wanting him back.

wicket
08-27-2010, 07:52 PM
what the hell brees, why are you doing a random qb draw out of nowhere

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 07:53 PM
Brees is making these Chargers defenders look quite the fool......

Splat
08-27-2010, 07:54 PM
Javier Arenas is going to be a good KR in this league one of the few bright spots for the Chiefs.

Splat
08-27-2010, 07:58 PM
Cassel throws his first completed pass IN THE SECOND quarter!

21ST
08-27-2010, 07:58 PM
The redskins 3rd string QB and 2nd string offense holding there own against the jets 1st string d

BeerBaron
08-27-2010, 08:00 PM
Cassel throws his first completed pass IN THE SECOND quarter!

How terrible would this be: Cassel sucks, but instead of getting a real QB next year, they try to reunite Brady Quinn with Charlie Weis.

Splat
08-27-2010, 08:01 PM
How terrible would this be: Cassel sucks, but instead of getting a real QB next year, they try to reunite Brady Quinn with Charlie Weis.

Really?

Do you hate me that much.

*Sigh*