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J-Mike88
08-28-2010, 07:34 AM
KalBear has something for just your own team.
This is everyone's chance to play "Swami". We see Athlon's and Sports Illustrated and ESPN's season predictions.
Well it's time for WE THE PEOPLE to go down on record. If you don't, then don't say, in December or January, that you knew the Vikings would go 8-8 or the Saints would miss the playoffs or that the Chiefs or Raiders would shock the AFC West, etc. Get it down on paper here, now.

(No Edits after Sept 9th. Each & Everyone can go on record right here, so there's none of this BS at the end of the season saying "oh I knew this or that".... get it down here!)

NFC NORTH
1 Green Bay 12-4
2 Minnesota 10-6
3 Detroit 6-10
4 Chicago 6-10

NFC SOUTH
1 Atlanta 11-5
2 New Orleans 11-5
3 Carolina 9-7
4 Tampa Bay 2-14

NFC WEST
1 San Francisco 11-5
2 Seattle 6-10
3 Arizona 5-11
4 St Louis 2-14

NFC EAST
1 NY Giants 11-5
2 Dallas 11-5
3 Washington 9-7
4 Philadelphia 8-8

AFC NORTH
1 Baltimore 11-5
2 Cincinnati 11-5
3 Pittsburgh 9-7
4 Cleveland 3-13

AFC SOUTH
1 Indianapolis 13-3
2 Houston 10-6
3 Tennessee 9-7
4 Jacksonville 6-10

AFC WEST
1 San Diego 11-5
2 Oakland 8-8
3 Kansas City 7-9
4 Denver 5-11

AFC EAST
1 NY Jets 11-5
2 New England 10-6
3 Miami 9-7
4 Buffalo 1-15
Wildcard Teams in Italics
Houston just misses out, again.

PLAYOFFS
Wildcard Weekend

NO @ NY Giants, Saints win 27-23
Dallas @ Atlanta, Cowboys win 20-13

Cinci @ San Diego, Bengals win 24-23
NE @ NYJ, Patriots win 17-13

Divisional Round
NO @ Green Bay, Packers win 30-27
Dallas @ San Fran, Cowboys win 16-13

NE @ Indy, Colts win 37-27
Cinci @ Baltimore, Ravens win 24-20

Conference Title Games
Dallas @ Green Bay, Packers win 24-16
Baltimore @ Indy, Colts win 27-17

*SUPER BOWL*
Green Bay 38
Indianapolis 34

Gay Ork Wang
08-28-2010, 07:39 AM
If the packers win the superbowl this year im gonna kill myself

Saints-Tigers
08-28-2010, 07:53 AM
The sports universe is way higher on the Falcons than even Falcons fans are.

tjsunstein
08-28-2010, 07:55 AM
If the packers win the superbowl this year im gonna kill myself
Is that a prediction?

J-Mike88
08-28-2010, 07:59 AM
If the packers win the superbowl this year im gonna kill myself
Don't do it ***, don't jump!

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wicket
08-28-2010, 08:56 AM
The sports universe is way higher on the Falcons than even Falcons fans are.

was going to post this

wonderbredd24
08-28-2010, 09:40 AM
NFC NORTH
1. Green Bay 13-3***
2. Minnesota 10-6*
3. Detroit 6-10
4. Chicago 5-11

NFC SOUTH
1. New Orleans 12-4***
2. Atlanta 11-5*
3. Carolina 6-10
4. Tampa Bay 4-12

NFC WEST
1. San Francisco 10-6**
2. Seattle 6-10
3. Arizona 5-11
4. St Louis 2-14

NFC EAST
1. NY Giants 11-5**
2. Dallas 10-6
3. Washington 8-8
4. Philadelphia 7-9

AFC NORTH
1. Cincinnati 11-5**
2. Baltimore 10-6
3. Pittsburgh 7-9
4. Cleveland 6-10

AFC SOUTH
1. Indianapolis 12-4***
2. Tennessee 11-5*
3. Houston 9-7
4. Jacksonville 5-11

AFC WEST
1. San Diego 12-4***
2. Oakland 8-8
3. Denver 5-11
4. Kansas City 4-12

AFC EAST
1. Miami 11-5**
2. New England 10-6*
3. NY Jets 8-8
4. Buffalo 1-15

Playoffs

Wild Card Round
San Francisco over Atlanta
New York Giants over Minnesota
Tennessee over Cincinnati
New England over Miami

Divisional Round
New Orleans over New York Giants
Green Bay over San Francisco
San Diego over New England
Tennessee over Indianapolis

Championship Round
Green Bay over New Orleans
Tennessee over San Diego

Superbowl
Green Bay over Tennessee

General Zod
08-28-2010, 09:42 AM
I could see the NFC north shaping up that way. Rodgers is such a stud and is only getting better. While Minnesota is the walking wounded and has a brutal schedule. I really cant see Chicago doing anything until Lovie is gone. And while I think Detroit is going to be improved and is going in the right direction, I can still only see them winning 6 or 7 games this year.

bigbluedefense
08-28-2010, 09:45 AM
I predict that people will stop calling Matt Ryan the next Peyton Manning.

He's lucky he plays in a dome and the NFC South, which has the Metrodome and Tampa's nice warm weather, or else he'd really get exposed.

wonderbredd24
08-28-2010, 09:49 AM
I predict that people will stop calling Matt Ryan the next Peyton Manning.

He's lucky he plays in a dome and the NFC South, which has the Metrodome and Tampa's nice warm weather, or else he'd really get exposed.

Manning plays in a dome...

And the Metrodome is in Minnesota... the Superdome is in New Orleans

bigbluedefense
08-28-2010, 10:05 AM
Manning plays in a dome...

And the Metrodome is in Minnesota... the Superdome is in New Orleans

Yes he does. And it surely helps his stat sheet. All domes do.

My bad. Regardless, playing in a division with 2 domes and warm weather minimizes a player's inability to throw a consistent deep ball.

And to go back to Peyton, it's funny you mention the dome thing. Bc one thing that nobody ever brings up is, Peyton doesn't have the biggest arm, and doesn't throw the best spiral. It's overlooked bc he's such a beast, but that always reared its head against the Pats in the playoffs in Foxboro and is never brought up as one of the reasons why he struggled up there.

wonderbredd24
08-28-2010, 10:08 AM
Yes he does. And it surely helps his stat sheet. All domes do.

My bad. Regardless, playing in a division with 2 domes and warm weather minimizes a player's inability to throw a consistent deep ball.

And to go back to Peyton, it's funny you mention the dome thing. Bc one thing that nobody ever brings up is, Peyton doesn't have the biggest arm, and doesn't throw the best spiral. It's overlooked bc he's such a beast, but that always reared its head against the Pats in the playoffs in Foxboro and is never brought up as one of the reasons why he struggled up there.
I completely agree with you and it's one reason I have Brady as being the better QB between the two and a reason I think Brady's record setting season was more impressive than Manning's despite the time Manning sat out.

9 guaranteed games in a dome every year makes life easier including Reliant Stadium.

J-Mike88
08-28-2010, 12:52 PM
wonderbred, nice work.
i hope you're right on the money there!
we'd kill tennessee. only passing teams hurt us.

everyone else, more predictions please. put yours on paper here.

wonderbredd24
08-28-2010, 12:56 PM
wonderbred, nice work.
i hope you're right on the money there!
we'd kill tennessee. only passing teams hurt us.

everyone else, more predictions please. put yours on paper here.
I can't see the Packers having a +24 turnover ratio again and their running game scares me, but Aaron Rodgers is just so ******* good, he's going to win one eventually.

Being the best 3rd down passer in the league is a sweet stat.

bigbluedefense
08-28-2010, 01:06 PM
I completely agree with you and it's one reason I have Brady as being the better QB between the two and a reason I think Brady's record setting season was more impressive than Manning's despite the time Manning sat out.

9 guaranteed games in a dome every year makes life easier including Reliant Stadium.

Hmmm. That's a tough one bro. Brady ran up the score on guys. I know he plays in the northeast, but he still ran up the score. Peyton never did that.

I'm gonna give the edge to Peyton in that one. Although I do agree that Tom Brady is the superior qb.

Rosebud
08-28-2010, 01:46 PM
This prediction is probably exclusively the result of me having to many packers fans as friends, but the Giants will have a better year than the Packers this year, they may get more regular season wins, but barring ridiculous injuries we'll go further in the playoffs.

Shiver
08-28-2010, 02:08 PM
The sports universe is way higher on the Falcons than even Falcons fans are.


Perception: We have an elite offense with a suspect defense.

Reality: Our passing attack isn't nearly as good as some make it out to be, but our defense will be much better than people imagine. We have a young, fast and aggressive defense. They have looked very, very good.

Unless Matt Ryan develops some consistency it will be tough to beat the Saints in the division though.

jackalope
08-28-2010, 02:10 PM
I can't see the Packers having a +24 turnover ratio again and their running game scares me, but Aaron Rodgers is just so ******* good, he's going to win one eventually.

Being the best 3rd down passer in the league is a sweet stat.

I wouldn't worry about our running game. There's really no reason for it not to be as solid as it was last year (14th in yards, 11th in yards per carry), unless it's simply because we throw the ball more. If something is going to hold us back this year, it'll probably be the pass defense, but I think we'll be better equipped this year than we were for the terrible performances we had last year.

marshallb
08-28-2010, 02:26 PM
I wouldn't worry about our running game. There's really no reason for it not to be as solid as it was last year (14th in yards, 11th in yards per carry), unless it's simply because we throw the ball more. If something is going to hold us back this year, it'll probably be the pass defense, but I think we'll be better equipped this year than we were for the terrible performances we had last year.

Not ripping on you or anything like that, but I'd just like to know why you think that.

abaddon41_80
08-28-2010, 02:32 PM
People really overrated how much of a difference playing in a dome makes over the course of one's career, or even a season. All the greatest statistical QBs played outside and a lot of them played in cold weather environments. Peyton played poorly in New England because Belichick has always had Peyton's number and because the Patriots DBs used to get away with murder. But lets not turn this into another Manning v. Brady thread, we have had enough of those.

NFC NORTH
1 Green Bay 12-4**
2 Minnesota 11-5*
3 Detroit 6-10
4 Chicago 6-10

NFC SOUTH
1 New Orleans 12-4**
2 Atlanta 10-6*
3 Carolina 9-7
4 Tampa Bay 3-13

NFC WEST
1 San Francisco 11-5**
2 Seattle 6-10
3 Arizona 6-10
4 St Louis 3-13

NFC EAST
1 Dallas 12-4**
2 Washington 9-7
3 New York Giants 8-8
4 Philadelphia 6-10

1 Green Bay Packers
2 New Orleans Saints
3 Dallas Cowboys
4 San Francisco 49ers
5 Minnesota Vikings
6 Atlanta Falcons

Wildcard Round
3 Cowboys defeat 6 Falcons
4 49ers defeat 5 Vikings

Divisional Round
1 Packers defeat 4 49ers
3 Cowboys defeat 2 Saints

NFC Championship
1 Packers defeat 3 Cowboys


AFC NORTH
1 Baltimore 12-4**
2 Pittsburgh 9-7*
3 Cincinnati 8-8
4 Cleveland 1-15

AFC SOUTH
1 Indianapolis 13-3**
2 Tennessee 9-7
3 Houston 8-8
4 Jacksonville 5-11

AFC WEST
1 San Diego 12-4**
2 Denver 7-9
3 Oakland 6-10
4 Kansas City 5-11

AFC EAST
1 New England 11-5**
2 Miami 9-7*
3 New York Jets 9-7
4 Buffalo 2-14

1 Indianapolis Colts
2 San Diego Charges
3 Baltimore Ravens
4 New England Patriots
5 Pittsburgh Steelers
6 Miami Dolphins

Wildcard Round
3 Ravens defeat 6 Dolphins
4 Patriots defeat 5 Steelers

Divisional Round
1 Colts defeat 4 Patriots
3 Ravens defeat 2 Chargers

AFC Championship
3 Ravens defeat 1 Colts

Super Bowl
Packers defeat Ravens

jackalope
08-28-2010, 02:42 PM
Not ripping on you or anything like that, but I'd just like to know why you think that.

Getting Harris back will be a big part of it. Even if he's not playing at the same level that he was a year ago, he should still be our #2 corner. Harris will probably miss week one, and there's a chance he starts the season on the PUP, but the good news is that after Philly, we should have an easy five games before he gets back for Minnesota, NYJ, Dallas, etc.

After Woodson, Trammon, and Harris we have Underwood (who should be better than he was as a rookie a year ago) and Lee (was hurt last year, has been so-so in training camp). It looks like Jarrett Bush, who was playing nickelback by the end of the season, won't be one of the six corners to make the team. It's not great depth, but it should be much better than the guys we had getting torn apart against Pittsburgh and Arizona.

While we don't really know how he'll perform, I also think Burnett will do a better job in coverage, even in his rookie year, than Bigby. He should also be more reliable in terms of injury.

Shiver
08-28-2010, 02:57 PM
Hmmm. That's a tough one bro. Brady ran up the score on guys. I know he plays in the northeast, but he still ran up the score. Peyton never did that.

I'm gonna give the edge to Peyton in that one. Although I do agree that Tom Brady is the superior qb.


In '04 the Colts absolutely murdered the Detroit Lions on Thanksgiving 41-9. Peyton threw 6 touchdowns in that game. They beat the Texans 49-14, Peyton had five touchdowns. They beat the Bears 41-10 and Peyton had four touchdowns. People did complain, like they did with NE.

The whole running up the score "controversy" was ******** I thought. You don't pull your starters at half in the NFL, even after three quarters. This is professional ******* football. If they didn't like it, they would man up and play some defense, hit somebody in the mouth.

J-Mike88
08-28-2010, 03:18 PM
This prediction is probably exclusively the result of me having to many packers fans as friends, but the Giants will have a better year than the Packers this year, they may get more regular season wins, but barring ridiculous injuries we'll go further in the playoffs.
Who is your "we'll"? I see a dancer in your avatar and a German Soccer player in your signature. Germany had a nice run at the World Cup, but failed to win.

J-Mike88
08-28-2010, 03:22 PM
NFC NORTH
1 Green Bay 12-4**
2 Minnesota 11-5*
3 Detroit 6-10
4 Chicago 6-10

NFC SOUTH
1 New Orleans 12-4**
2 Atlanta 10-6*
3 Carolina 9-7
4 Tampa Bay 3-13

NFC WEST
1 San Francisco 11-5**
2 Seattle 6-10
3 Arizona 6-10
4 St Louis 3-13

NFC EAST
1 Dallas 12-4**
2 Washington 9-7
3 New York Giants 8-8
4 Philadelphia 6-10

1 Green Bay Packers
2 New Orleans Saints
3 Dallas Cowboys
4 San Francisco 49ers
5 Minnesota Vikings
6 Atlanta Falcons

Wildcard Round
3 Cowboys defeat 6 Falcons
4 49ers defeat 5 Vikings

Divisional Round
1 Packers defeat 4 49ers
3 Cowboys defeat 2 Saints

NFC Championship
1 Packers defeat 3 Cowboys


AFC NORTH
1 Baltimore 12-4**
2 Pittsburgh 9-7*
3 Cincinnati 8-8
4 Cleveland 1-15

AFC SOUTH
1 Indianapolis 13-3**
2 Tennessee 9-7
3 Houston 8-8
4 Jacksonville 5-11

AFC WEST
1 San Diego 12-4**
2 Denver 7-9
3 Oakland 6-10
4 Kansas City 5-11

AFC EAST
1 New England 11-5**
2 Miami 9-7*
3 New York Jets 9-7
4 Buffalo 2-14

1 Indianapolis Colts
2 San Diego Charges
3 Baltimore Ravens
4 New England Patriots
5 Pittsburgh Steelers
6 Miami Dolphins

Wildcard Round
3 Ravens defeat 6 Dolphins
4 Patriots defeat 5 Steelers

Divisional Round
1 Colts defeat 4 Patriots
3 Ravens defeat 2 Chargers

AFC Championship
3 Ravens defeat 1 Colts

Super Bowl
Packers defeat Ravens

I love this guy!

Shiver
08-28-2010, 03:23 PM
He is referring to the Giants. He might not be wrong, upon retrospect I really like the Giants chances in the NFC East this year.

J-Mike88
08-28-2010, 03:29 PM
He is referring to the Giants. He might not be wrong, upon retrospect I really like the Giants chances in the NFC East this year.
As do I, picking them to win that division over Dallas.
They swept Dallas last year and I like their chances this season. Defense needs to hold up, and Jacobs has to stay healthy though.

Shiver, am I missing your predictions here somewhere?

Crazy_Chris
08-28-2010, 04:08 PM
Everybody picking the pack to the SB & winning is making me laugh. Just like last year people are over reacting to the pre-season champs. Not trying to suggest they won't be a good team, but once again they are recieving wayyy to much hype.

Getting Harris back will be a big part of it. Even if he's not playing at the same level that he was a year ago, he should still be our #2 corner. Harris will probably miss week one, and there's a chance he starts the season on the PUP, but the good news is that after Philly, we should have an easy five games before he gets back for Minnesota, NYJ, Dallas, etc.

Al Harris is a soon to be 36 year old cornerback coming off a Torn ACL. That isn't a good thing, I highly doubt he plays at a quality level this year.

wonderbredd24
08-28-2010, 04:11 PM
I picked the Packers last year too, so I'm not overreacting to the preseason lol

I am head over heels for Aaron Rodgers though, but like I said earlier, I don't think they will repeat the +24 turnover ratio and the running game concerns me, but they are a dangerous team that can beat anyone.

yo123
08-28-2010, 04:11 PM
Everybody picking the pack to the SB & winning is making me laugh. Just like last year people are over reacting to the pre-season champs. Not trying to suggest they won't be a good team, but once again they are recieving wayyy to much hype.



Al Harris is a soon to be 36 year old cornerback coming off a Torn ACL. That isn't a good thing, I highly doubt he plays at a quality level this year.

Pretty much this. They could pretty easily win the division I think that's a tossup , but the love is getting ridiculous. Other than Charles Woodson I'm not sold on their secondary whatsoever I think Al Harris is the most overrated CB in the league. And people seem to be forgetting that the Packers offensive line was the worst in the league last year.

wonderbredd24
08-28-2010, 04:16 PM
Pretty much this. They could pretty easily win the division I think that's a tossup , but the love is getting ridiculous. Other than Charles Woodson I'm not sold on their secondary whatsoever I think Al Harris is the most overrated CB in the league. And people seem to be forgetting that the Packers offensive line was the worst in the league last year.
It wasn't the worst in the league... it was the unluckiest in the league though with Tauscher and Clifton missed a substantial amount of games last year, which shouldn't happen this year, but if it does, they are far better equipped having Bulaga there to be a swing tackle if they need him.

yo123
08-28-2010, 04:28 PM
NFC North
1. Minnesota Vikings 11-5
2. Green Bay Packers 10-6
3. Chicago Bears 8-8
4. Detroit Lions 4-12

NFC East
1. New York Giants 12-4
2. Dallas Cowboys 11-5
3. Washington Redskins 8-8
4. Philadelphia Eagles 7-9

NFC South
1. New Orleans Saints 11-5
2. Atlanta Falcons 10-6
3. Carolina Panthers 8-8
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3-13

NFC West
1. San Francisco 49ers 10-6
2. Arizona Cardinals 9-7
3. Seattle Seahawks 7-9
4. St. Louis Rams 3-13

AFC North
1. Baltimore Ravens 13-3
2 Cincinnati Bengals 10-6
3. Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7
4. Cleveland Browns 3-13

AFC East
1. New England Patriots 12-4
2. Miami Dolphins 10-6
3. New York Jets 7-9
4. Buffalo Bills 1-15

AFC South
1. Indianapolis Colts 13-3
2. Houston Texans 10-6
3. Tennessee Titans 8-8
4. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11

AFC West
1. San Diego Chargers 13-3
2. Oakland Raiders 8-8
3. Denver Broncos 6-10
4. Kansas City Chiefs 5-11

Crazy_Chris
08-28-2010, 04:29 PM
Pretty much this. They could pretty easily win the division I think that's a tossup , but the love is getting ridiculous. Other than Charles Woodson I'm not sold on their secondary whatsoever I think Al Harris is the most overrated CB in the league. And people seem to be forgetting that the Packers offensive line was the worst in the league last year.

Yea I would agree with this, they have issues at CB depth, and don't have a great pass rush to make up for it. I'm also not sold on the O-line but I don't think it's as bad as it looked at times last year.

yo123
08-28-2010, 04:30 PM
It wasn't the worst in the league... it was the unluckiest in the league though with Tauscher and Clifton missed a substantial amount of games last year, which shouldn't happen this year, but if it does, they are far better equipped having Bulaga there to be a swing tackle if they need him.



Yeah that's part of it, but even when they were healthy they weren't good. You don't give up 50 sacks in one season only because of injuries.

djp
08-28-2010, 04:32 PM
NFC

North - Minnesota Vikings
South - Atlanta Falcons
West - San Francisco 49ers
East - New York Giants
WC - Green Bay Packers
WC - Dallas Cowboys (Washington misses out in week 17)

AFC

North - Baltimore Ravens
South - Indianapolis Colts
West - Oakland Raiders
East - New England Patriots
WC - New York Jets
WC - San Diego Chargers

Colts over Falcons in Super Bowl

MVP - Peyton Manning
OPOY - Aaron Rodgers
DPOY - Patrick Willis
OROY - Dez Bryant
DROY - Sean Weatherspoon

Posted from my phone, or I'd put a little more detail in

Shiver
08-28-2010, 04:36 PM
NFC

North - Minnesota Vikings
South - Atlanta Falcons
West - San Francisco 49ers
East - New York Giants
WC - Green Bay Packers
WC - Dallas Cowboys (Washington misses out in week 17)

AFC

North - Baltimore Ravens
South - Indianapolis Colts
West - Oakland Raiders
East - New England Patriots
WC - New York Jets
WC - San Diego Chargers

Colts over Falcons in Super Bowl

MVP - Peyton Manning
OPOY - Aaron Rodgers
DPOY - Patrick Willis
OROY - Dez Bryant
DROY - Sean Weatherspoon

Posted from my phone, or I'd put a little more detail in


I love it, but there is like 99% chance of that happening. Too many young (but talented) players to clutch it up this quickly.

abaddon41_80
08-28-2010, 04:47 PM
I agree that the Packers passing defense is questionable but their offense is nigh unstoppable and they are very good against the run. I feel like they are the most dangerous team in the NFC, even if they are not the most complete.

Shiver
08-28-2010, 04:51 PM
Mine:

AFC

East

1. New England
2. Miami
3. New York
4. Buffalo

North

1. Baltimore
2. Cincinnati
3. Pittsburgh
4. Cleveland

South

1. Houston
2. Indianapolis (wildcard)
3. Tennessee
4. Jacksonville

West

1. San Diego
2. Oakland (wildcard)
3. Kansas City
4. Denver

NFC

East

1. New York
2. Dallas (wildcard)
3. Philadelphia
4. Washington

North

1. Green Bay
2. Minnesota (Favre fail)
3. Detroit
4. Chicago

South

1. New Orleans
2. Atlanta (wildcard)
3. Carolina
4. Tampa Bay

West

1. San Francisco
2. Seattle
3. Arizona
4. St Louis

yo123
08-28-2010, 04:59 PM
I agree that the Packers passing defense is questionable but their offense is nigh unstoppable and they are very good against the run. I feel like they are the most dangerous team in the NFC, even if they are not the most complete.



I agree that their passing game is going to be a pain in the ass to stop, they have a ton of weapons. But regardless of where there running game ranked last year no one is afraid of Ryan Grant. One dimensional teams don't normally win Super Bowls. Even the Saints quietly had a pretty damn good run game last year.

abaddon41_80
08-28-2010, 05:06 PM
I agree that their passing game is going to be a pain in the ass to stop, they have a ton of weapons. But regardless of where there running game ranked last year no one is afraid of Ryan Grant. One dimensional teams don't normally win Super Bowls. Even the Saints quietly had a pretty damn good run game last year.

The Packers don't have a great running game but they were 14th last year and Grant has 2 1200+ yards seasons in a row. With a healthy offensive line there is no reason it would be worse than that and it might get a little better. I realize Grant is not a player that scares opposing defenses but neither were the Saints backs

Gay Ork Wang
08-28-2010, 06:49 PM
u guys really think tauscher and Clifton gonna stay healthy for the whole year?

jackalope
08-28-2010, 07:19 PM
Pretty much this. They could pretty easily win the division I think that's a tossup , but the love is getting ridiculous. Other than Charles Woodson I'm not sold on their secondary whatsoever I think Al Harris is the most overrated CB in the league. And people seem to be forgetting that the Packers offensive line was the worst in the league last year.

We had a horrid offensive line for the majority of last year, and the team was still third in scoring (that doesn't factor in the 45 points against Arizona) and sixth in yards. Not only does the starting line look much better this year, especially with Rodgers getting the ball out quickly, but we are in much better position to deal with injuries.

Ryan Grant might not be a guy who scares defenses, but he was the seventh leading rusher last season with a better per carry average than Adrian Peterson.

yo123
08-28-2010, 07:23 PM
We had a horrid offensive line for the majority of last year, and the team was still third in scoring (that doesn't factor in the 45 points against Arizona) and sixth in yards. Not only does the starting line look much better this year, especially with Rodgers getting the ball out quickly, but we are in much better position to deal with injuries.

Ryan Grant might not be a guy who scares defenses, but he was the seventh leading rusher last season with a better per carry average than Adrian Peterson.

Don't even pretend that Ryan Grant is in the same stratosphere when talking about impact on a game. AD is the first guy you gameplan for when you play us. Ryan Grant is an afterthought. He's purely the beneficiary of teams cheating towards the pass.

jackalope
08-28-2010, 07:35 PM
Don't even pretend that Ryan Grant is in the same stratosphere when talking about impact on a game. AD is the first guy you gameplan for when you play us. Ryan Grant is an afterthought. He's purely the beneficiary of teams cheating towards the pass.

I'm not saying he's better, but my point is that he's a very overlooked guy. He ran for over 1,200 yards last year and didn't put the ball on the ground. I don't know how you can call us a one-dimensional team. It's a team with an average to above average running game and a great passing game.

J-Mike88
08-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Pretty much this. They could pretty easily win the division I think that's a tossup , but the love is getting ridiculous. Other than Charles Woodson I'm not sold on their secondary whatsoever I think Al Harris is the most overrated CB in the league. And people seem to be forgetting that the Packers offensive line was the worst in the league last year.
The love is coming from some, but not all.
Last night Dan Dierdorf on that Saints game said he'd be shocked if the NFC Super Bowl team was not one of these 3 teams: Saints, Vikings, Cowboys. He said those 3 teams are in a league of their own in the NFC, above, in his words, some other teams like Atlanta and Arizona.

Green Bay was not mentioned even though we almost shutout Dallas last year, and the Giants were not mentioned even though they swept Dallas.

Again, I talked a lot in the summer about being puzzled as to why Dallas is all of a sudden better than they were last year, when they were dominated by the Packers and Vikings from the North, and lost 2 to the Giants.

yo123
08-28-2010, 08:21 PM
The love is coming from some, but not all.
Last night Dan Dierdorf on that Saints game said he'd be shocked if the NFC Super Bowl team was not one of these 3 teams: Saints, Vikings, Cowboys. He said those 3 teams are in a league of their own in the NFC, above, in his words, some other teams like Atlanta and Arizona.

Green Bay was not mentioned even though we almost shutout Dallas last year, and the Giants were not mentioned even though they swept Dallas.

Again, I talked a lot in the summer about being puzzled as to why Dallas is all of a sudden better than they were last year, when they were dominated by the Packers and Vikings from the North, and lost 2 to the Giants.



Fair enough, but I was talking more about people on this board.

scottyboy
08-28-2010, 08:32 PM
you come to understand how awesome the rutgers player(s) on your respective team is(are).

Saints-Tigers
08-28-2010, 08:57 PM
Perception: We have an elite offense with a suspect defense.

Reality: Our passing attack isn't nearly as good as some make it out to be, but our defense will be much better than people imagine. We have a young, fast and aggressive defense. They have looked very, very good.

Unless Matt Ryan develops some consistency it will be tough to beat the Saints in the division though.

I noticed everyone is hopping the Falcons at the moment, and I was shocked at the way the Falcons board looks when I was lurking there, seems very worried, and cautiously optimistic at best.

As for the NFC, the Saints and Vikings when healthy are clearly a step ahead of the rest. I don't see what the Packers or Cowboys done to put themselves in that category.

djp
08-29-2010, 01:12 AM
To elaborate on my Atlanta pick some more... betting on a big Matt Ryan step up, another year with his OL, and a defense that has looked very, very good.

Shiver
08-29-2010, 01:20 AM
I noticed everyone is hopping the Falcons at the moment, and I was shocked at the way the Falcons board looks when I was lurking there, seems very worried, and cautiously optimistic at best.

As for the NFC, the Saints and Vikings when healthy are clearly a step ahead of the rest. I don't see what the Packers or Cowboys done to put themselves in that category.

To elaborate on my Atlanta pick some more... betting on a big Matt Ryan step up, another year with his OL, and a defense that has looked very, very good.


The disconnect, what S-T noticed, is that we are very concerned about Matt Ryan. But mostly, we are Falcons fans, we are used to "Franchise QB" not developing (see Vick, Michael).

Mr.Regular
08-29-2010, 01:43 AM
u guys really think tauscher and Clifton gonna stay healthy for the whole year?
Maybe. But if they don't, we have Bulaga ready to go, and TJ Lang is no slouch either.
Last year we had Allen Barbre. And then we tried to put Colledge out there. *shutter*
We're better prepared this year, our OLine depth isn't really an issue anymore.

yourfavestoner
08-29-2010, 02:02 AM
Not gonna do records, but I'll do standings.

AFC East
1. New England
2. Miami (Wildcard)
3. New York
4. Buffalo

AFC West
1. San Diego
2. Oakland
3. Denver
4. Kansas City

AFC North
1. Baltimore
2. Cincy (Wildcard)
3. Pittsburgh
4. Cleveland

AFC South
1. Tennessee
2. Houston
3. Indianapolis
4. Jacksonville


NFC East
1. New York
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. Philadelphia

NFC West
1. SF
2. Seattle
3. Arizona
4. St. Louis

NFC North
1. New Orleans
2. Atlanta (Wildcard)
3. Carolina (Wildcard)
4. Tampa Bay

NFC North
1. Green Bay
2. Chicago
3. Minnesota
4. Detroit

NFC Playoffs
Round 1:
(3)San Francisco
(6)Carolina

(4)New York
(5)Atlanta

Round 2:
(1)Green Bay
(4)New York

(2)New Orleans
(3)San Francisco

NFC Championship
(2)New Orleans
(4)New York

AFC Playoffs
Week 1:
(3)New England
(6)Cincinnati

(4)Tennessee
(5)Miami

Week 2:
(1)San Diego
(4)Tennessee

(2)Baltimore
(3)New England

AFC Championship:
(1)San Diego
(3)New England

Superbowl:

New York
vs
San Diego

GB12
08-29-2010, 02:10 AM
Yeah that's part of it, but even when they were healthy they weren't good. You don't give up 50 sacks in one season only because of injuries.
Not true. First half of the season: 37 sacks. Second half: 13. Getting Tauscher back was huge. Plus Clifton was out for four of those too. And we added Bulaga who should be starting over Colledge at LG. I'm really not too worried about our line if it's healthy. We're in much better shape to survive an injury if something should happen again too. It's certainly not a top 5 line or anything, but it'll work just fine at full strength.
I agree that their passing game is going to be a pain in the ass to stop, they have a ton of weapons. But regardless of where there running game ranked last year no one is afraid of Ryan Grant. One dimensional teams don't normally win Super Bowls. Even the Saints quietly had a pretty damn good run game last year.
Ryan Grant gets so much **** on this board it's ridiculous. Since Week 8 of 2008 only Adrian Peterson has rushed for more yards and he's put up over 1,200 yards each of the past two seasons. What the hell does he have to do to get some respect on this site? I'm not saying he's Adrian Peterson, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think he's a good running back.

And yes we are a passing team, but don't give that one dimensional crap like we have no running game at all. Last season we were 14th in rushing yards with a 4.3 average. The Vikings were 13th in yards with a 4.1 average. So I guess if we're a one dimensional passing team, then so is Minnesota.

Rosebud
08-29-2010, 03:59 AM
I noticed everyone is hopping the Falcons at the moment, and I was shocked at the way the Falcons board looks when I was lurking there, seems very worried, and cautiously optimistic at best.

As for the NFC, the Saints and Vikings when healthy are clearly a step ahead of the rest. I don't see what the Packers or Cowboys done to put themselves in that category.

If you're going to use a qualifier like if healthy the giants, cowboys and packers are all as good as the Saints and Vikings. If healthy the giants pass D is dominant, if healthy the giants running game can roll over teams, if healthy eli and that passing game can do what it wants, when it wants and if healthy are run is adequate. If healthy is such a ridiculous qualifier in the NFL where no one is ever healthy come playoff time and when there's a lot of elite teams.

Rosebud
08-29-2010, 04:02 AM
Who is your "we'll"? I see a dancer in your avatar and a German Soccer player in your signature. Germany had a nice run at the World Cup, but failed to win.

Actually that's a german soccer player in my avi as well, but that we is referring to the Giants. What I was saying was the pack may win more regular season games...skins + eagles > bears + lions...but the giants will do better in the playoffs.

Saints-Tigers
08-29-2010, 04:04 AM
If you're going to use a qualifier like if healthy the giants, cowboys and packers are all as good as the Saints and Vikings. If healthy the giants pass D is dominant, if healthy the giants running game can roll over teams, if healthy eli and that passing game can do what it wants, when it wants and if healthy are run is adequate. If healthy is such a ridiculous qualifier in the NFL where no one is ever healthy come playoff time and when there's a lot of elite teams.

Disagree. Saints are dominant when healthy, they showed that last year. None of those teams showed they can dominate for extended amounts of time.

Once again though, the Saints passing is way underrated, because for some reason everyone seems to think their offense is on par with ours when we've been 1,1,4,1 offensively since Brees has been here.

Excuse me if I'm not sold on teams that have either Shaky QBs, shaky protection, or both. Honestly, with some of the meltdowns all of these teams had(really, all but the Vikings) I'm not sold on any of them having more than spurts of dominant play.

Rosebud
08-29-2010, 04:11 AM
Disagree. Saints are dominant when healthy, they showed that last year. None of those teams showed they can dominate for extended amounts of time.

Once again though, the Saints passing is way underrated, because for some reason everyone seems to think their offense is on par with ours when we've been 1,1,4,1 offensively since Brees has been here.

Excuse me if I'm not sold on teams that have either Shaky QBs, shaky protection, or both. Honestly, with some of the meltdowns all of these teams had(really, all but the Vikings) I'm not sold on any of them having more than spurts of dominant play.

Giants, Cowboys and Packers have shaky QBs and protection? Since when? Eli, Romo and Rodgers are all in the second highest tier of NFL QBs and all 3 lines are solid, at the very least not much worse than the saints. Plus both NFC East teams should run the ball better with more talented defenses to balance the Saints' advantage in the passing game.

Saints-Tigers
08-29-2010, 05:06 AM
Giants, Cowboys and Packers have shaky QBs and protection? Since when? Eli, Romo and Rodgers are all in the second highest tier of NFL QBs and all 3 lines are solid, at the very least not much worse than the saints. Plus both NFC East teams should run the ball better with more talented defenses to balance the Saints' advantage in the passing game.


Romo and Eli both have their shaky moments, and aren't up there with Rodgers. Cowboys and Giants both have huge question marks in pass protection. Packers have possibly the biggest.

Running game is debatable. We were 6th in yards and yards per carry and we started the year with Reggie Bush rehabbing his knee, and no Pierre Thomas at all.

Saints D is still getting underrated too, only the Vikings really gave us any problems when we were reasonably healthy. We stifled anyone and everyone else, and a few teams put up some points after the games were way out of reach when we were scoring 510 points.

Colts, Cardinals(who put up 50 on the top 2 D Packers), Pats(with street CBs), Giants, all got it put on them defensively, but we're still riding some lucky reputation.

Granted, our depth did kinda suck, and injuries to the secondary really exposed us late in the year.

I don't think we are unbeatable or anything, but I can't see a reasonably healthy Saints team losing to anyone in the Dome come playoff time.

wonderbredd24
08-29-2010, 08:51 AM
How is Aaron Rodgers a 2nd tier QB? Despite getting sacked so much last year, some of it his own fault, he had 30 TDs and 7 INTs and was the best 3rd down QB in the league.

Nalej
08-29-2010, 09:00 AM
How is Aaron Rodgers a 2nd tier QB? Despite getting sacked so much last year, some of it his own fault, he had 30 TDs and 7 INTs and was the best 3rd down QB in the league.

He's not. That's how.

J-Mike88
08-29-2010, 09:18 AM
Not gonna do records, but I'll do standings.

AFC East
1. New England
2. Miami (Wildcard)
3. New York
4. Buffalo

AFC West
1. Oakland
2. San Diego
3. Denver
4. Kansas City

AFC North
1. Baltimore
2. Cincy (Wildcard)
3. Pittsburgh
4. Cleveland

AFC South
1. Tennessee
2. Houston
3. Indianapolis
4. Jacksonville


NFC East
1. New York
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. Philadelphia

NFC West
1. SF
2. Seattle
3. Arizona
4. St. Louis

NFC North
1. Atlanta
2. New Orleans (Wildcard)
3. Carolina (Wildcard)
4. Tampa Bay

NFC North
1. Green Bay
2. Chicago
3. Minnesota
4. Detroit

This is what we're looking for here. OUT OF THE BOX.
Every year, there are a handful of surprises in the NFL, some positive and some negative. Who pegged the Bengals to win that division last year and sweep the Steelers & Ravens? Nobody. Who thought the Giants defense would be as bad as any in the NFL? Nobody.

But Indy finishing 3rd? Only if a rash of injuries hit them, which is possible.
San Diego finishing 2nd in that division.... bye bye Norv Turner. I like your NFC North standings. I'd pay for that to happen to the grapes finishing 3rd.

We have plenty of discussion here, but need more predictions. Ball-up.

Shiver
08-29-2010, 09:19 AM
Rodgers is like Brees before last year. He is elite. He is one of the best in the game. He doesn't have a ring.... yet. It is a matter of when, not if in my view.

Saints-Tigers
08-29-2010, 10:44 AM
Brees broke 5000 yards, broke the completion % record, led the top offense in the league 3 out of 4 years(4th in the other one), broke the completion record, was 1st in passer rating, was 1st in passing TD's twice, was 1st in yards twice, and 2nd another time(6th this year, and skipped a full game),

Rodgers highest passing TD finish is 4th, his highest yard total is 4th, his highest completion % is 9th, his highest passer rating is 4th.

Rodgers has put up a lot of nice numbers that land him top 5ish most of the time.

Brees was smashing records and leading the lead in multiple categories.

Big difference, and it's sad that Brees had to win a title before people even started giving him his props. Aaron Rodgers hasn't proven he's that kind of player even in the regular season, much less put together a perfect post season run like Drew has.

wonderbredd24
08-29-2010, 11:21 AM
Brees broke 5000 yards, broke the completion % record, led the top offense in the league 3 out of 4 years(4th in the other one), broke the completion record, was 1st in passer rating, was 1st in passing TD's twice, was 1st in yards twice, and 2nd another time(6th this year, and skipped a full game),

Rodgers highest passing TD finish is 4th, his highest yard total is 4th, his highest completion % is 9th, his highest passer rating is 4th.

Rodgers has put up a lot of nice numbers that land him top 5ish most of the time.

Brees was smashing records and leading the lead in multiple categories.

Big difference, and it's sad that Brees had to win a title before people even started giving him his props. Aaron Rodgers hasn't proven he's that kind of player even in the regular season, much less put together a perfect post season run like Drew has.
Right now, Brees is the best quarterback in the NFL, but you're making the same mistake you just accused so many other people of making by sleeping on Rodgers.

Throwing for 4,434 yards and 30 TDs against 7 INTs and a 103.2 passer rating all while being sacked 50 times is tremendous, regardless of what anyone else did. He also ran for 316 yards and another 5 TDs. He's an elite quarterback.

yo123
08-29-2010, 12:21 PM
Not true. First half of the season: 37 sacks. Second half: 13. Getting Tauscher back was huge. Plus Clifton was out for four of those too. And we added Bulaga who should be starting over Colledge at LG. I'm really not too worried about our line if it's healthy. We're in much better shape to survive an injury if something should happen again too. It's certainly not a top 5 line or anything, but it'll work just fine at full strength.

Ryan Grant gets so much **** on this board it's ridiculous. Since Week 8 of 2008 only Adrian Peterson has rushed for more yards and he's put up over 1,200 yards each of the past two seasons. What the hell does he have to do to get some respect on this site? I'm not saying he's Adrian Peterson, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think he's a good running back.


And regarding the above conversation Aaron Rodgers is definitely elite.

And yes we are a passing team, but don't give that one dimensional crap like we have no running game at all. Last season we were 14th in rushing yards with a 4.3 average. The Vikings were 13th in yards with a 4.1 average. So I guess if we're a one dimensional passing team, then so is Minnesota.


Ugh. I don't know why you guys keep trying to compare Peterson to freaking Ryan Grant but the fact is Grant is a 4 yards and a cloud of dust type running back. Peterson is a gamechanger. Grant is Thomas Jones light, average at best. At the end of the day he'll put up pretty numbers but I guarantee defensive coordinators aren't worried about him.

And regarding the above conversation Aaron Rodgers is absolutely elite. If he can get over the holding the ball too long phase he's on Brees' level.

J-Mike88
08-29-2010, 09:22 PM
Ugh. I don't know why you guys keep trying to compare Peterson to freaking Ryan Grant but the fact is Grant is a 4 yards and a cloud of dust type running back. Peterson is a gamechanger. Grant is Thomas Jones light, average at best. At the end of the day he'll put up pretty numbers but I guarantee defensive coordinators aren't worried about him.

And regarding the above conversation Aaron Rodgers is absolutely elite. If he can get over the holding the ball too long phase he's on Brees' level.
True. While Ryan Grant is very underrated, even by most spoiled Packer fans, he's not 'special' like Adrian Peterson is. There's no doubt about that. Grant's production, durability, and reliability thru 3 seasons playing has been great though. But Peterson is a game-changer and one guy who opposing defenses have to, and do, gameplan for. They did last year too, which is what freed up Sidney Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe, etc.

Rodgers holding the ball too long is a cliche, to the point that he's taken that label to take heat away from Colledge, Barbre, Lang, etc.
First, his OT's sucked last year for the first 8 games.
Second, many times he hangs on for an extra half second which lets his receiver get into a seam, and it results in big gains to Driver or Jennings.

He learned to do that as opposed to throwing it to covered guys by watching the last guy often force one a half-second too soon to avoid a hit, and that always ended seasons in the playoffs with forced interceptions.

See Philly playoff game, OT, 2004
See NYG NFC Title game, OT, 2008
See N.O. NFC Title game, 2010

Had that guy taken sacks or just thrown it away on those 3 plays, NFL history would be very different.

NotRickJames
08-30-2010, 02:03 AM
I'm not going to do records either, but here's how I see the standings -

NFC NORTH
1 Minnesota
2 Green Bay
3 Chicago
4 Detroit

NFC SOUTH
1 New Orleans
2 Carolina
3 Atlanta
4 Tampa Bay

NFC WEST
1 Seattle
2 San Francisco
3 Arizona
4 St Louis

NFC EAST
1 New York Giants
2 Washington
3 Dallas
4 Philadelphia

AFC NORTH
1 Baltimore
2 Pittsburgh
3 Cincinnati
4 Cleveland

AFC SOUTH
1 Indianapolis
2 Tennessee
3 Houston
4 Jacksonville

AFC WEST
1 San Diego
2 Denver
3 Oakland
4 Kansas City

AFC EAST
1 New England
2 Miami
3 New York Jets
4 Buffalo

J-Mike88
08-30-2010, 09:31 AM
nice picks notrickjames.

jets in 3rd place.
dallas in 3rd place.
seattle winning that division.

those are a bit out on a limb, which shows that you have ballz.

personally, i can't see anyone besides SF winning that soft division. but i've lost plenty of bets in my time.

yourfavestoner
09-02-2010, 12:17 AM
I switched NO and Atlanta. Unless they suffer massive injuries, I think the Saints are going to be the real deal again and will hit the ground running.

I still think Atlanta and Carolina both make the playoffs as Wildcards, though. And I think Tampa will be much improved. My sleeper pick for the best division in the NFL next year.

Mr.Regular
09-02-2010, 12:37 AM
I switched NO and Atlanta. Unless they suffer massive injuries, I think the Saints are going to be the real deal again and will hit the ground running.

I still think Atlanta and Carolina both make the playoffs as Wildcards, though. And I think Tampa will be much improved. My sleeper pick for the best division in the NFL next year.
I agree with you on Tampa. Im a believer. Freeman should be the real deal, and the defense has some really nice pieces. They're closer than most think IMO.

I don't think the division comes away with 3 playoff spots, but mainly because of the competition. I think the North has 2 of the top 4 teams in the conference, and the Giants could be in the mix as well (though I don't know how that defense translates with Perry Fewell).
Either way, I have Atlanta in the mix, and I can see Carolina making a push if they get a good year from the QB spot.
If Jimmy Clausen is who I think he is, this division could be the best in the NFL in a year or two.

yourfavestoner
09-02-2010, 12:54 AM
I agree with you on Tampa. Im a believer. Freeman should be the real deal, and the defense has some really nice pieces. They're closer than most think IMO.

I don't think the division comes away with 3 playoff spots, but mainly because of the competition. I think the North has 2 of the top 4 teams in the conference, and the Giants could be in the mix as well (though I don't know how that defense translates with Perry Fewell).
Either way, I have Atlanta in the mix, and I can see Carolina making a push if they get a good year from the QB spot.
If Jimmy Clausen is who I think he is, this division could be the best in the NFL in a year or two.

Due to schedule and what I expect with be a bottoming out with Favre (either due to injury or poor performance - he's alternated between good and bad years pretty much every year since 2004). When you factor in how incredibly difficult their schedule is, I'm just not feeling it for them. With Favre as damaged goods and the WR corp hurting, their season pretty much rests on how well Bryant McKinnie, and that scares me.

If the Bears defense can find the fountain of youth and stay injury free, I could see them challenging the Vikings for the second spot in the division. The Lions should be vastly improved also. I see the Packers first and the Vikings third, and Chicago and Detroit in some order of two and four. I don't know which which it will be, between the two, though.

stephenson86
09-02-2010, 09:21 AM
NFC NORTH
1 Green Bay: 14-2 (1)
2 Minnesota: 12-4 (5)
3 Detroit: 4-12
4 Chicago: 3-13

NFC EAST
1 Dallas: 14-2 (2)
2 New York: 10-6
3 Philadelphia: 6-10
4 Washington: 6-10

NFC SOUTH
1 New Orleans: 14-2 (3)
2 Atlanta: 11-5 (6)
3 Carolina: 3-13
4 Tampa Bay: 2-14

NFC WEST
1 San Francisco: 12-4 (4)
2 Seattle: 6-10
3 Arizona: 4-12
4 St Louis: 3-13

AFC NORTH
1 Cincinnati: 12-4 (3)
2 Baltimore: 11-5 (5)
3 Pittsburgh: 10-6
4 Cleveland: 1-15

AFC EAST
1 Miami: 11-5 (4)
2 New England: 10-6 (6)
3 New York: 9-7
4 Buffalo: 0-16

AFC SOUTH
1 Indianapolis: 13-3 (2)
2 Tennessee: 10-6
3 Houston: 7-9
4 Jacksonville: 5-11

AFC WEST
1 San Diego: 14-2 (1)
2 Kansas City: 10-6
3 Oakland: 4-12
4 Denver: 4-12


WILD CARD WEEKEND
Minnesota @ San Francisco - San Francisco
Atlanta @ New Orleans - New Orleans

New England @ Cincinnati - Cincinnati
Baltimore @ Miami - Baltimore


DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Indianapolis
Cincinnati @ San Diego - Cincinnati

New Orleans @ Dallas - New Orleans
San Francisco @ Green Bay - Green Bay


CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS
Cincinnati @ Indianapolis - Cincinnati
New Orleans @ Green Bay - Green Bay


SUPERBOWL
Cincinnati Vs Green Bay - Cincinnati


P.S. all the records should be possible as I did them all in a table for accuracy.

J-Mike88
09-02-2010, 09:42 AM
good job stephenson.
i'd hate to lose in the super bowl, but you got us there at least!
bengals have never won a super bowl yet have they?
welcome to the jungle might be back in cinci.

stephenson86
09-02-2010, 09:48 AM
They just look like they could get on a total role, they have a team that is good for January, they have weapons galore on offense, their defense is stingy against the run and the pass. They don't seem to really have one weakness. Reckon they could overwhelm some fools.

Mr.Regular
09-02-2010, 09:50 AM
good job stephenson.
i'd hate to lose in the super bowl, but you got us there at least!
bengals have never won a super bowl yet have they?
welcome to the jungle might be back in cinci.
Im also liking the Bengals this season.
Im just not sold on Baltimore the more I think about it. That secondary is very thin and their passrush just isnt that good anymore. Seems like a bad mix.

Only problem for the Bengals is the QB spot. The offense has really nice weapons, a good line, and good backs. The defense has the best combo of starting corneres there is, very good linebackers, and an underrated line.
Whole season rests on Palmer. If he can finally regain form, they're a Super Bowl contender, if not, they have a hard time making the playoffs.

stephenson86
09-02-2010, 10:05 AM
Im also liking the Bengals this season.
Im just not sold on Baltimore the more I think about it. That secondary is very thin and their passrush just isnt that good anymore. Seems like a bad mix.

Only problem for the Bengals is the QB spot. The offense has really nice weapons, a good line, and good backs. The defense has the best combo of starting corneres there is, very good linebackers, and an underrated line.
Whole season rests on Palmer. If he can finally regain form, they're a Super Bowl contender, if not, they have a hard time making the playoffs.

I have faith in him, I think he will feel very happy back there in the pocket.

gpngc
09-03-2010, 01:09 AM
AFC
Patriots: 12-4
Dolphins: 9-7
Jets: 8-8
Bills: 4-12

Bengals: 11-5
Steelers: 9-7
Ravens: 9-7
Browns: 6-10

Colts: 11-5
Texans: 11-5
Titans: 7-9
Jaguars: 3-13

Chargers: 12-4
Raiders: 7-9
Broncos: 7-9
Chiefs: 4-12

NFC
Giants: 10-6
Cowboys: 10-6
Redskins: 8-8
Eagles: 7-9

Packers: 11-5
Bears: 9-7
Vikings: 9-7
Lions: 6-10

Saints: 10-6
Falcons: 10-6
Buccaneers: 5-11
Panthers: 5-11

Seahawks: 8-8
Rams: 8-8
49ers: 7-9
Cardinals: 5-11

AFC Playoffs
1- Chargers
2- Patriots
3- Colts
4- Bengals
5- Texans
6- Steelers

Colts 31, Steelers 17
Bengals 30, Texans 24

Chargers 17, Bengals 14
Colts 35, Patriots 31

AFC Championship: Chargers 45, Colts 26

NFC Playoffs
1- Packers
2- Giants
3- Saints
4- Seahawks
5- Cowboys
6- Falcons

Saints 30, Falcons 17
Cowboys 34, Seahawks 10

Packers 42, Cowboys 28
Giants 25, Saints 23

NFC Championship: Giants 32, Packers 21

Super Bowl: Chargers 41, Giants 17

Awards
MVP: Philip Rivers
OPOY: Adrian Peterson
DPOY: Mario Williams
COY: Steve Spagnuolo
OROY: Jahvid Best
DROY: Earl Thomas

Fat_Actor
09-03-2010, 10:40 AM
MY TURN

New England 12-4
New York 10-6
Miami 8-8
Buffalo 4-12

Indy 12-4
Houston 11-5
Tennessee 7-9
Jacksonville 3-13

Cincinnatti 12-4
Pittsburgh 9-7
Baltimore 8-8
Cleveland 1-15

San Diego 14-2
Denver 6-10
Kansas City 5-11
Oakland 2-14

Dallas 13-3
Washington 9-7
New York 8-8
Philadelphia 5-11

New Orleans 12-4
Atlanta 10-6
Tampa Bay 6-10
I cannot see this team having the same record as last year or worst. Improved team with easier schedule.
Carolina 3-13

Green Bay 14-2
Minnesota 11-5
Chicago 8-8
Detroit 6-10

Seattle 10-6
San Francisco 8-8
St. Louis 5-11
Arizona 4-12

yourfavestoner
09-03-2010, 01:12 PM
Just added playoff predictions:
NFC Playoffs
Round 1:
(3)San Francisco
(6)Carolina

(4)New York
(5)Atlanta

Round 2:
(1)Green Bay
(4)New York

(2)New Orleans
(3)San Francisco

NFC Championship
(2)New Orleans
(4)New York

AFC Playoffs
Week 1:
(3)New England
(6)Cincinnati

(4)Tennessee
(5)Miami

Week 2:
(1)San Diego
(4)Tennessee

(2)Baltimore
(3)New England

AFC Championship:
(1)San Diego
(3)New England

Superbowl:

New York
vs
San Diego

J-Mike88
09-03-2010, 01:51 PM
good stuff MEN.
if the giants whack out the packers again, in green bay, i will kill someone.

spicoli, i like your record for the packers, but not losing the playoff game again. i personally think the packers matchup great vs the giants, but we'll see on dec 26th.

gpngc
09-03-2010, 05:27 PM
The thing about the Giants is that under Eli they never missed the playoffs until last season... and it was one of Eli's best years so basically it was the fault of the defense (and the OL and running game to an extent - but the O was scoring a lot anyway).

The D got a good young DC in Fewell, a BUNCH of quality safeties (including KP back from injury) and a few front seven guys. I just think they flat-out quit last year, maybe some guys were dinged up, I don't know, but they won't be that bad on defense again.

WMD
09-09-2010, 07:56 PM
Figure I'll do a Standings Prediction.. I don't want to predict records because I don't feel like getting into the numbers.

NFC NORTH
Green Bay
Minnesota
Chicago
Detroit

NFC SOUTH
New Orleans
Carolina
Atlanta
Tampa Bay

NFC WEST
San Francisco
Arizona
Seattle
St Louis

NFC EAST
NY Giants
Washington
Dallas
Philadelphia

AFC NORTH
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Cleveland

AFC SOUTH
Indianapolis
Houston
Tennessee
Jacksonville

AFC WEST
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

AFC EAST
New England
NY Jets
Miami
Buffalo

Grizzlegom
09-09-2010, 08:48 PM
Finally finished with standing/playoffs:

AFC East:

1. New York Jets – 10-6
2. Miami Dolphins – 9-7
3. New England Patriots – 9-7
4. Buffalo Bills – 2-14

This is going to be a three horse race that I believe will come down to the final games of the season. In terms of talent, Miami, New England, and the Jets are all very similar. All three teams have a ton of young starters in key roles and whichever young guys grow up and contribute the most best will be in prime position to take the division. When it came down to it, the Jets have the best defense and offensive line in the division and that was enough to overcome their inexperience at the skill positions on offense. Miami ends up getting held back by a young secondary that gets torched by the likes of Brady, Favre, Palmer, and Flacco, while New England’s porous offensive line leads to Brady taking a few too many hits that causes him to miss a few games that puts them in a deficit they cannot climb back from. Buffalo will show flashes of promise as some of their breadth of young players start to get used to the new schemes and the NFL and provide some promise going into next season.

AFC North

1. Baltimore Ravens – 11-5
2. Pittsburgh Steelers – 10-6
3. Cincinnati Bengals – 9-7
4. Cleveland Browns – 6-10

Baltimore finally has an offense, and it’s a good thing as their defense continues to slow. A lack of pass rush combined with a lack of health in the secondary leave the Ravens a little worried early in the season but they learn to win with offense and a bend but don’t break defense and become the class of the AFC North. The Steelers, a bit lost in the debate and under the radar, have a classic bounce back season that surprises anyone who isn’t paying attention to the healthy Troy Polamalu and Aaron Smith combined with the elite play coming from second year player Evander ‘Ziggy’ Hood. Cincinnati just misses out on the playoffs despite a much improved passing attack as the run game takes a step back when Cedric Benson’s nagging injury history returns leaving them to rely on Palmer’s arm a bit too much. Cleveland shows promise as Jake Delhomme puts up a surprisingly solid year but the run game and defense still need plenty of improvement.

AFC South

1. Indianapolis Colts – 12-4
2. Houston Texans – 10-6
3. Tennessee Titans – 7-9
4. Jacksonville Jaguars – 3-13

Indianapolis is, once again, the class of the AFC in the regular season. Manning leads his plethora of weapons to another great season offensively and the bend but don’t break defense continues to work wonders in the regular season. Houston finally breaks through that barrier and makes the playoffs behind a much improved defense led by Super Mario, DeMeco Ryans, and first round pick Kareem Jackson providing them with the shutdown corner they haven’t had since before Dunta Robinson’s injury. Tennessee takes a step back as Vince Young’s magic wears off as teams remember to game plan for him again and the defense continues to miss the presence of a dominant defensive lineman. Jacksonville finally produces a pass rush this year, unfortunately for them, their passing offense takes a step back (if that’s even possible…) and the run defense and secondary fall apart as age, inexperience, and lack of talent all combine for an implosion.

AFC West

1. San Diego Chargers – 10-6
2. Oakland Raiders – 9-7
3. Kansas City Chiefs – 7-9
4. Denver Broncos – 5-11

San Diego wins the division despite having the holdouts of Marcus McNeill and Vincent Jackson go basically all season although their returns provide them with a nice playoff push that sees them finish with double digit wins, good enough for a first round loss due to Norv Turner’s ridiculous inability to game plan. Oakland makes good on its promise to be a winning team with an improved run defense backed by DROY Le’Ron McClain and an offense that actually scores points due to Jason Campbell and Zach Miller’s breakout seasons, but rival Kansas City performs an upset special in week 17 to keep them out of the playoffs. Kansas City continues in the right direction behind offensive gurus Charlie Weis and Todd Haley, causing them to put up points although the defense still isn’t quite there despite a monster double-digit sack season from Tamba Hali. Denver shows its age in the secondary, inexperience and lack of talent in the front seven, and lack of playmakers on offense that puts McDaniels’ job in jeopardy.

NFC East

1. Dallas Cowboys – 12-4
2. Philadelphia Eagles – 9-7
3. New York Giants – 7-9
4. Washington Redskins – 5-11

Dallas continues to play extremely well in the regular season behind an improved offense, thanks to the addition of Dez Bryant, and a defense that continues to wreak havoc on opposing QBs with the tandem of Ware and Spencer. The Eagles take a step back with Kolb at the helm as he makes some dumb mistakes early in the season that set them into a deficit they can’t climb out of. The Giants’ offensive line causes them to put too much emphasis on the pass game that makes them too one dimensional to make a legitimate playoff push. The Redskins take a small step forward with McNabb at the helm but even he can’t overcome the lack of receiver talent and lack of running game despite RB guru Shanahan at the helm.

NFC North

1. Green Bay Packers – 12-4
2. Minnesota Vikings – 11-5
3. Chicago Bears – 7-9
4. Detroit Lions – 6-10

Green Bay rides Aaron Rodgers’ arm and a very strong defense in their second season under Capers’ scheme and rides a wave of momentum heading into the playoffs finishing on a six game winning streak. Favre is just fine without Rice for much of the season as Camarillo and Berrian hold down the fort just fine while Rice and Harvin get healthy. The Bears offense looks fantastic under Mike Martz but the defense continues in the wrong direction causing them to lose too many shootouts. The same can be said for the Lions as the trio of Megatron, Stafford, and Best make the Lions EXCITING to watch but, unfortunately for them, Suh can’t stop everyone on defense by himself.

NFC South

1. New Orleans Saints – 11-5
2. Atlanta Falcons – 10-6
3. Carolina Panthers – 7-9
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – 3-13

New Orleans experiences a minor Super Bowl hangover but still put up a great season behind Drew Breesus and a defense that is sounder technically and functionally but doesn’t produce quite as many turnovers. Carolina looks pretty good under Matt Moore and Brandon LaFell finally provides Steve Smith with a compliment he hasn’t had since Moose was still functional but the defense really misses Julius Peppers and doesn’t produce enough pass rush. The Bucs show some good fight and are overall improved with McCoy, Price, Mike Williams, and Josh Freeman all having respectable seasons but there is still a lack of talent that leads them to continue to linger in the basement.

NFC West

1. San Francisco 49ers – 10-6
2. Arizona Cardinals – 7-9
3. St. Louis Rams – 5-11
4. Seattle Seahawks – 5-11

After a two year run of being on top, the retirement of Kurt Warner and failure to have a succession plan that actually fits Whiz’s offense, Arizona will see a bit of a drop off this year as Derek Anderson simply hasn’t shown anything apart from a two game stretch two years ago. That leaves the door open for the 9ers, Rams, and Seahawks to take over the division. The 49ers are in the best position to take over that spot as they already have one of the best defenses in the NFL and with Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, they finally have the receiving weapons to go with Frank Gore and Alex Smith showed more in the last few games last season than Anderson ever showed. The Rams and Seahawks are two teams that are both moving in the right direction but they still have a ways to go. Bradford will have difficulty getting into a rhythm with the porous offensive line and lack of wide receivers due to Donnie Avery going down with an injury again but with Steven Jackson and an improving defense, they should be much improved from last year. The Seahawks have health on their side for the first time in years but they are going with the youth movement that should show lots of promise but will not translate into wins for a couple years.

Playoffs:

AFC Wildcard Round:

No. 6 Pittsburgh at No. 3 San Diego
No. 5 Houston at No. 4 New York Jets
Byes: No. 1 Indianapolis, No. 2 Baltimore

Pittsburgh continues on its season ending hot streak by taking out the Chargers whose lack of solid gameplanning and worn down RBs can’t get the offense going. The Jets shut down Houston’s high-powered offense as Revis Island takes away Andre Johnson and the youth at the other key positions and lack of playoff experience shows.

AFC Divisional Round:

No. 6 Pittsburgh at No. 1 Indianapolis
No. 4 New York Jets at No. 2 Baltimore

Pittsburgh continues to ride the momentum and manages to take out Indianapolis as Pittsburgh has owned them in the playoffs the last decade. Baltimore outduels the Jets in the week 1 rematch as Baltimore’s offense is just too hard for the Jets to contain.

AFC Championship Game:
No. 6 Pittsburgh at No. 2 Baltimore

In this classic NFC North Showdown, the Steelers and Ravens face off for the third time to decide the series as Baltimore won at Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh won at Baltimore. At the end of the day, a return touchdown from the under-rated offseason pickup, Donte Stallworth, seals the deal for the Ravens.

NFC Wildcard Round:

No. 6 Atlanta at No. 3 New Orleans
No. 5 Minnesota at No. 4. San Francisco
Byes: No. 1 Dallas, No. 2 Green Bay

Atlanta and New Orleans face off for the third time of the season and New Orleans continues the trend of the home team taking the win as the offense is just too much for Atlanta to keep up with. Minnesota shuts down San Francisco’s offense by taking away the run game with the Williams wall, causing Alex Smith to make a few mistakes that Minnesota’s secondary happily capitalize on.

NFC Divisional Round:

No. 3 New Orleans at No. 2 Green Bay
No. 5 Minnesota at No. 1 Dallas

New Orleans sees its season end as Green Bay comes out on top in a classic shoot-out behind Rodgers hooking up with Jordy Nelson for a long TD pass in the final two minutes. Minnesota ends Dallas’ hopes of playing a home field Super Bowl as Romo crumbles under the pressure…and Jared Allen.

NFC Championship Game:
No. 5 Minnesota at No. 2 Green Bay

In another classic rematch, Green Bay fans boo Brett Favre so much that it rattles him and he ends his career in the town where he made a name for himself by throwing multiple mind-numbing interceptions.

Super Bowl:

Green Bay 38, Baltimore 28

In yet another memorable Super Bowl, the young gunslingers Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco put on a show with their arms and at the end of the day, the slightly more experienced Rodgers comes out on top as Baltimore’s secondary just can’t stop Driver, Finley, Jennings, and Nelson.

OROY: Jahvid Best, RB, Detroit Lions
DROY: Le'Ron McClain, ILB, Oakland
MVP: Aaron Rodgers, QB, Green Bay
OMVP: Ray Rice, RB, Baltimore
DMVP: Darrelle Revis, CB, New York Jets
Comeback Player of the Year: Jake Delhomme, QB, Cleveland