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J-Mike88
08-29-2010, 05:13 PM
It's not 100% about statistics as each guy had a different QB, offense, scheme, opportunities, etc.

But in your opinion, who is/was the best receiving TE of our era. I guess Shannon Sharpe is as far back as I will go here.

People in PackerLand, and across the USA, are excited about Jermichael Finley. I've heard all kinds of projections. His final 7 games last year, after being out with the knee for a few weeks, would indicate that 80 catches, 1000 yards, 8-10 TDs are not out of the question.

By the way, this really shows how truly great Tony Gonzalez has been/is. Look at his stats.
One one hand, it's even more special since he hasn't had a great QB ever there in Kansas City. But on the other hand, he was the offense and got tons of balls thrown his way. Still, the production, off the charts for the former Final Four Basketball starter with Jason Kidd at Cal.

Shannon Sharpe
14 seasons
815 receptions
10,060 yards
12.3 per catch
62 TDs
Career Bests: 87 catches, 1,107 yards, 10 TDs

Tony Gonzalez
14 seasons
999 receptions
11,807 yards
11.8 per catch
82 TDs
Career Bests: 102 catches, 1,258 yards, 11 TDs

Antonio Gates
7 seasons (man, seems like longer)
479 receptions
6,223 yards
13.0 per catch
59 TDs (including the last 8 with 8+ TDs)
Career Bests: 89 catches, 1,157 yards, 13 TDs

Jason Witten
7 seasons also, like Gates
523 receptions
5,965 yards
11.4 per catch
27 TDs (this is the stat that kills him, and my fantasy team last year)
Career Bests: 96 catches, 1,145 yards, 7 TDs (all in 2007)

Dallas Clark
7 seasons also, like Gates & Witten. What a class.
Stats pale in comparison, slower to blossom because of Harrison & Wayne.
Career Bests: 100 catches, 1,106 yards, 11 TDs

TE Sidenotes

Kellen Winslow, Chargers (different era)
9 seasons
541 catches
6,741 yards
12.5 per catch
45 TDs
Career Bests: 89 catches, 1,290 yards, 10 TDs

prock
08-29-2010, 05:15 PM
Tony Gonzalez.

abaddon41_80
08-29-2010, 05:22 PM
If Gates had played football his whole career I would go with him but because he did not Tony G is the correct answer

thenewfeature06
08-29-2010, 05:23 PM
My era I would say Dallas Clark.. Trust me I know Gonzo and Sharpe were sick but I didn't get to see much of them in there prime I was like probably 8 or 9 still learning. Clark is extremely dangerous in the pass game and will have a very good career down the road.

Shiver
08-29-2010, 05:25 PM
Gates was the most dominant, Gonzalez was the most consistently great. Tie.

Brent
08-29-2010, 05:26 PM
I dont think "receiving TE" is a fair label on Gonzalez.

He is great at all aspects of the TE position.

thenewfeature06
08-29-2010, 05:27 PM
I dont think "receiving TE" is a fair label on Gonzalez.

He is great at all aspects of the TE position.

Kudos to you sir. Gonzo was a balanced TE but a better pass catcher than blocker I guess.

Babylon
08-29-2010, 05:31 PM
Would that be the John Mackey award? I'd probably include guys like Jay Novacek who won 3 superbowls with Dallas. Moor modern probably Shannon Sharpe but i like Gates the best in recent memory.

nepg
08-29-2010, 05:41 PM
Ben Coates as an option? It's Shannon Sharpe, but Ben Coates is #1b, imo.

BeerBaron
08-29-2010, 05:42 PM
Out of what I've seen in their careers, Gates is the most dominant and probably the best pure receiver of the group.

Gonzo is the most well rounded as he is a great receiver and great blocker as others have said.

bored of education
08-29-2010, 05:42 PM
JerMichael Finley is clearly the answer

J-Mike88
08-29-2010, 05:45 PM
Kellen Winslow Jr, what a waste. I think that guy had more ability than Gates, Witten, Clark, maybe even Gonzalez.

Got Wheelies?

Babylon
08-29-2010, 05:54 PM
Witten and Gonzo can actually block so they probably shouldnt be mentioned. Winslow has physical talent but you need something between the ears. Waiting for someone to mention my alltime favorite, Russ Francis. (guess i just mentioned him)

vidae
08-29-2010, 06:06 PM
Tony Gonzalez.

BRAVEHEART
08-29-2010, 06:08 PM
Tony G by far.

General Zod
08-29-2010, 06:19 PM
Tony G, and its not even close imo.

The man excelled in both receiving and blocking. And some of those years in KC the offense was pretty porous and he still manage to be productive. Even when defenses would key on him the entire game.

CT Bronco Fan
08-29-2010, 06:32 PM
Shannon Sharpe is the best TE to ever play this game period.

People saying Tony G are too young to have seen Sharpe play.

Shane P. Hallam
08-29-2010, 06:36 PM
I'd go Sharpe just over Tony Gonzalez. As a pure receiving TE, Sharpe was above Gonzo for sure.

CJSchneider
08-29-2010, 06:39 PM
Sharpe was flashier, but if I were writing the checks, I'd go with Gonzo.

General Zod
08-29-2010, 06:47 PM
Shannon Sharpe is the best TE to ever play this game period.

People saying Tony G are too young to have seen Sharpe play.

Purely receiving? Id give it to Sharpe. The full package is Tony G.

And I remember clearly watching some great TEs, Keith Jackson, Ben Coates, Mark Bavaro, the list goes on.

So dont play the age card with me you whipper snapper. :-)

Woody56
08-29-2010, 08:39 PM
It's Tony G in any era. Shannon Sharpe couldn't even match his production and he played with John Elway for most his career.

steelernation77
08-29-2010, 08:44 PM
Tony G and I saw Sharpe play. Tony G caught everything thrown to him.

CJSchneider
08-29-2010, 08:44 PM
Shannon Sharpe is the best TE to ever play this game period.

People saying Tony G are too young to have seen Sharpe play.

I guess there is an exception to every rule.

Rabscuttle
08-29-2010, 08:47 PM
Gonzalez for his play. Sharpe for the Sarah Jessica Parker impression. Sharpe did get to play in a lot of big games that Tony would give up a lot to have been involved in.

703SKINS202
08-29-2010, 08:48 PM
Mike Vrabel.

9 Receptions, 9 touchdowns, 12 yards.

vidae
08-29-2010, 08:58 PM
Shannon Sharpe is the best TE to ever play this game period.

People saying Tony G are too young to have seen Sharpe play.

Tony G has more receiving yards, receptions, touchdowns and has the most receptions for a TE in a single season, so how exactly is Sharpe better?

Not to mention that for many years, Tony got it done with much less talent around him.

Halsey
08-29-2010, 08:58 PM
Does any other TE even come close to Gonzo's 82 career TDs? I believe his number of TD catches pretty much dwarfs any other TE ever.

Let me go ahead and cut this comeback off ahead of time:

"but, but Halsey, touchdowns are just a stat! They don't mean anything!"

Really? Touchdowns are just a stat? I'm pretty sure that's an offenses goal whenever they're on the field.

Shane P. Hallam
08-29-2010, 09:08 PM
Does any other TE even come close to Gonzo's 82 career TDs? I believe his number of TD catches pretty much dwarfs any other TE ever.

Let me go ahead and cut this comeback off ahead of time:

"but, but Halsey, touchdowns are just a stat! They don't mean anything!"

Really? Touchdowns are just a stat? I'm pretty sure that's an offenses goal whenever they're on the field.

Touchdowns are just a stat

CJSchneider
08-29-2010, 09:14 PM
Tell him, Halsey!

Shiver
08-29-2010, 09:32 PM
Gonzalez's touchdowns won't mean as much when Gates shatters his record in four fewer seasons.

vidae
08-29-2010, 10:15 PM
Gates is at 59. Tony is at 82. Both are still playing. Gates has a ways to go.

ThePudge
08-29-2010, 10:22 PM
I think it's got to be Tony G until further notice. Obviously this depends on the longevity of Antonio Gates' career & Dallas Clark's as well. I don't remember Gonzalez having too many elite QBs throwing him the ball as was the case for guys like Sharpe (Elway), Gates (Rivers), and Clark (Manning.) The do-it-all Tight End was the best player at the position during what I'd consider my generation to be.

There should be an asterisk next to every name & the thread title just out of respect for the great Jermaine Gresham.

Saints-Tigers
08-29-2010, 10:33 PM
Gates was the most dominant, Gonzalez was the most consistently great. Tie.


I think I'd agree with this.

tjsunstein
08-29-2010, 10:49 PM
JerMichael Finley is clearly the answer
Please don't start this.

ThePudge
08-29-2010, 11:02 PM
It's not my fault his name is mentioned next to two far-superior players in Manning & Elway. The past two seasons, though, it's tough to argue against Rivers' production (62:20). He's been damn near elite. Right now I'd rank him fifth among active QBs though with Manning/Brees/Brady/Rodgers all better players in my opinion. The point is, Trent Green, Elvis Grbac, and Damon Huard were no Philip Rivers. We're talking about a top five NFL Quarterback in Rivers, not an All-Pro and certainly not a legend.

PoopSandwich
08-29-2010, 11:17 PM
probably kellen winslow jr. or darnell dinkins

in all seriousness, gonzalez.

Shiver
08-30-2010, 12:33 AM
Gates is at 59. Tony is at 82. Both are still playing. Gates has a ways to go.


Tony has said this is his last year. If he matches his TD count from a year ago he will have 88 touchdowns in 15 seasons. Gates will be at 67 touchdowns in eight seasons. He would break that in three normal seasons for him and he wouldn't even be 34 by then. It is pretty much a foregone conclusion, minus injuries.

Shiver
08-30-2010, 12:35 AM
By the way: Clark and Witten have no chance to be the greatest of this era, or make the Hall of Fame. Clark is too injury prone and his production has only come on as of late. Witten just doesn't have the numbers and the Cowboys have shifted the offense to the WR in recent years. That is what sets Gonzalez and Gates apart, they were the primary passing weapon their entire careers. That cannot be said of anyone else mentioned on this list.

vidae
08-30-2010, 12:45 AM
Tony has said this is his last year. If he matches his TD count from a year ago he will have 88 touchdowns in 15 seasons. Gates will be at 67 touchdowns in eight seasons. He would break that in three normal seasons for him and he wouldn't even be 34 by then. It is pretty much a foregone conclusion, minus injuries.

Tony is on record saying that there is a 50-50 chance he'll play after 2010, not 0%, unless he said it somewhere and I completely missed it.

And I'm not saying that Gates will never pass Tony, I'm saying he has a long way to go, which he does. And you're banking on Gates having at least 8 tds a year for the next three years?

Shiver
08-30-2010, 12:46 AM
Considering he is at 8-straight, uh yeah. ************* consistency!

vidae
08-30-2010, 12:47 AM
Considering he is at 8-straight, uh yeah. ************* consistency!

You just jinxed it! Injury bug, injury bug! Drop him from your fantasy leagues guys!

Shiver
08-30-2010, 12:49 AM
It's okay, I got FINLEYZZZZ.

FUNBUNCHER
08-30-2010, 01:09 AM
This is the golden age of receiving TEs. Never before have there been so many pass catching threats at the TE position, and in many cases they are among the best athletes on the field.

Gonzalez/Sharpe/Gates are 10s in my book, but there a heck of a lot of 9.9s. 9.8s. 9.5s, etc.

Guys who are just friggin superstars at the position IMO.

Put it this way; if a team w/ the best LB has to match him up against the best TE, that TE will EAT HIS LUNCH ALL DAY LONG.

steelersfan43
08-30-2010, 01:14 AM
Tony G by the stats clearly, and hes played for the chiefs soooo that hindered him alot.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-30-2010, 07:57 AM
Gonzo! And he is one of the nicest guys too!

Bengals78
08-30-2010, 08:02 AM
Cant go wrong with Sharpe or Gonzo.
I would have loved to seen Sharpe in this Colts offense like Clark is used.

Splat
08-30-2010, 08:06 AM
Tony Goat.

FloridaSkinzFan
08-30-2010, 09:42 AM
Chris Cooooooooleeeyyy

RaiderNation
08-30-2010, 09:58 AM
Either Gates or Tony G make sense to me

CC.SD
08-30-2010, 03:33 PM
If Gates had played football his whole career I would go with him but because he did not Tony G is the correct answer

What, you can't hold his college career against him, if anything it's in his favor.

Anyway I think #s wise Gates is going to top everybody. He's not even 30 and is BFF with his quarterback. Gonzalez is clearly the answer right now, but in 7 more seasons he's about 20 career TDs ahead of Antonio. That's not a lot.

OSUGiants17
08-30-2010, 03:42 PM
Tony G FTW

Splat
08-30-2010, 03:49 PM
Every time Gonzo touches a ball he is extending some kinda record be it yards,catches or TD's it's just ridiculous, with one catch this season he will be the first TE ever with 1000 catches, only six WR's have done that.

abaddon41_80
08-30-2010, 04:12 PM
What, you can't hold his college career against him, if anything it's in his favor.

Anyway I think #s wise Gates is going to top everybody. He's not even 30 and is BFF with his quarterback. Gonzalez is clearly the answer right now, but in 7 more seasons he's about 20 career TDs ahead of Antonio. That's not a lot.

I am not holding it against him but I am just saying I don't think he will catch up to Gonzo in terms of production because he won't play as many seasons. Gonzo is only 4 years older than Gates but has played for 6 more seasons. I think Gates might catch up in touchdowns but he won't in yards or receptions

Splat
08-30-2010, 04:13 PM
I am not holding it against him but I am just saying I don't think he will catch up to Gonzo in terms of production because he won't play as many seasons. Gonzo is only 4 years older than Gates but has played for 6 more seasons. I think Gates might catch up in touchdowns but he won't in yards or receptions.

I could see that.

AHungryWalrus
08-30-2010, 04:30 PM
As a pure receiver I would take Gates. His hands are disgusting, he catches the ball so well away from his body, and he is so good at using his body to create separation. He isn't the fastest TE, but he has more than enough speed. Gonzo is the slightly better blocker, IMO.

Gonzo is ridiculous, though. But if I got to choose between either one of them for one year in their prime, it would be Gates. But it's close enough that I wouldn't say anything if someone else chose Gonzo over him.

J-Mike88
08-30-2010, 04:34 PM
Was anyone else surprised to see how few times Jason Witten has actually scored TDs?
Miniscule compared to the others.

I learned that the hard way last year in FF.
Bastard.

LizardState
08-30-2010, 04:55 PM
Nobody means more to his team or his QB than Jason Witten.

Substitute clutch TE for receiving TE & that's Witten.

prock
08-30-2010, 05:00 PM
Nobody means more to his team or his QB than Jason Witten.

Substitute clutch TE for receiving TE & that's Witten.

I would contend that Gates absolutely takes that cake you handed to Witten there.

steelersfan43
08-30-2010, 05:06 PM
What, you can't hold his college career against him, if anything it's in his favor.

Anyway I think #s wise Gates is going to top everybody. He's not even 30 and is BFF with his quarterback. Gonzalez is clearly the answer right now, but in 7 more seasons he's about 20 career TDs ahead of Antonio. That's not a lot.

ughgh how could anyone be friends with this guy
http://www.yardbarker.com/media/7/6/76f2078abcddac362c694aff456089f0ae679124/xl/philip_rivers.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bpaCKc6TeLM/SpSKFon97aI/AAAAAAAAAkM/P4pAWWR6piQ/s320/Philip+Rivers.jpg
antonio must be a loser hahaha

robert pancake gallery
08-30-2010, 05:50 PM
evan moore is a pretty good receiving tight end, we'll have to see how he does this year now that defenses know who he is

CC.SD
08-30-2010, 06:13 PM
I would contend that Gates absolutely takes that cake you handed to Witten there.

I agree Gates has been a #1 target throughout his whole career, TE or not, and one of the best. I was going to feel bad about arguing this point due to homeresque feelings but honestly, if not this thread, where?

Gates broke into the league surrounded by starting WRs like Eric 'damn you' Parker and 37 year old Keenan McCardell. Vincent Jackson didn't develop into a legit threat really until 08, before then it was Gates, Ladainian, and whoever was simply not covered because of the attention they drew.

San Diego Chicken
08-30-2010, 06:17 PM
I hated him so much, but that 2004 season by Gonzalez was probably the best I've ever seen at his position. I have to pick him. I would love to see Gates go for 1200-1300 receiving yards this season and he just might be able to do it.

CC.SD
08-30-2010, 06:21 PM
I hated him so much, but that 2004 season by Gonzalez was probably the best I've ever seen at his position. I have to pick him. I would love to see Gates go for 1200-1300 receiving yards this season and he just might be able to do it.

Heh, I'm not so sure he has a choice, although I am a Naanee believer.

San Diego Chicken
08-30-2010, 06:22 PM
Heh, I'm not so sure he has a choice, although I am a Naanee believer.

I thought you heard, this is going to be Buster Davis' breakout year!!!

CC.SD
08-30-2010, 06:27 PM
I thought you heard, this is going to be Buster Davis' breakout year!!!

No no we're past that it's time to start the 'Take away Larry English's invisibility potion' campaign.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2506/3897724900_dc0f8d6cf0.jpg

Help, I suck and no one knows why

San Diego Chicken
08-30-2010, 06:32 PM
No no we're past that it's time to start the 'Take away Larry English's invisibility potion' campaign.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2506/3897724900_dc0f8d6cf0.jpg

Help, I suck and no one knows why

Eeesh. I'm willing to give Larry another year, but damn man, are you even still alive? Have the Chargers coaches taken roll and determined if he's even been in the stadium this preseason?

niel89
08-30-2010, 07:52 PM
evan moore is a pretty good receiving tight end, we'll have to see how he does this year now that defenses know who he is

I hate Evan Moore he was so un-clutch at Stanford. Really though I'm glad he is making a name for himself in the pros.

katnip
08-30-2010, 09:13 PM
How good was Kellen Winslow Jr supposed to be before those 2 stupid motorcycle accidents? Was the hype like HOF type good?

I remember reading for that year, si.com had him as "revolutionize the position" type good

Shiver
08-30-2010, 09:17 PM
He would have been very, very good. I would say Vernon Davis was more talented, but not as natural of a pass catcher.

Splat
08-30-2010, 09:21 PM
just not a good argument (as far as putting one guy above another guy). gonzalez and sharpe had *much* less around them. at least gates had LDT.

unless you want to call mark jackson, vance johnson and arthur marshall (and gaston green's 640 rushing yards) good.

gonzalez probably had it worse. he had elvis grbac (remember him?) throwing to derrick alexander, a garbage joe horn, and kevin lockett with the incredible donnell bennett putting up 627 rushing yards.

(i took both of their first pro bowl season's, since those were the first time they got meaningful PT)

Even under DV when Gonzo had the most talent around him the WR's were still average at best, the guy never played with a true #1 WR his whole time in KC.

AHungryWalrus
08-30-2010, 11:10 PM
Even under DV when Gonzo had the most talent around him the WR's were still average at best, the guy never played with a true #1 WR his whole time in KC.

EDDIE KENNISON?! Johnnie Morton?! Samie Parker?! Dante Hall?! Come on buddy, allllll studs.

yourfavestoner
08-30-2010, 11:59 PM
I was going to post something in this thread and completely forgot what it was I came to write.

AHungryWalrus
08-31-2010, 12:57 AM
I'm guessing it was something about how awesome all those KC wr's were.

Because that's the truth.

vidae
08-31-2010, 01:04 AM
Really is kind of sad that for years the best WR we had was Eddie freaking Kennison. He was an alright player but no one would ever mistake him for a weapon.

SenorGato
08-31-2010, 02:18 AM
Gonzalez, but I'd really like to say Gates. That guy is/was ridiculous.

J-Mike88
08-31-2010, 08:05 AM
Really is kind of sad that for years the best WR we had was Eddie freaking Kennison. He was an alright player but no one would ever mistake him for a weapon.
That is sad. But Dwayne Bowe has the ability to be a great WR, I think. Sadly, as we all know, it takes more for a WR to become great than just physical ability.

Shiver
08-31-2010, 08:17 AM
Double Dwayne Bowe, all the way.

AHungryWalrus
08-31-2010, 09:09 AM
Really is kind of sad that for years the best WR we had was Eddie freaking Kennison. He was an alright player but no one would ever mistake him for a weapon.

Johnie Morton was a weapon... physically. Although his UFC career was SLIGHTLY less successful then his NFL one.

Sportsfan486
09-01-2010, 06:43 PM
I'd say Gonzo and Gates are tied. Gates is obviously the superior deep threat, Gonzo moves the chains.

I'd go blocking as a tiebreaker so end up with Gonzo.

Gates is very likely to end up the best, though.

*edit* Oh and since Finley will begin his streak of double digit touchdowns this year he should surpass Gates in about... ... 10 seasons. Gates and Gonzo are nuts.

Bucs_Rule
09-02-2010, 09:34 AM
Another question is what is the ideal amount of WR talent around a TE to maximize him.

When Harrison and Wayne were both great Clark got much less attention and passes even with Manning and the pass happy Colts. He's doing way better after Harrison was finished.

With no talent you'll be constantly doubled, but you'd also be the top read on many plays and thrown to anyway. still much better to have this then tons of talent.

You'd want the most talent to get double teams away but not so much talent that the ball is going elsewhere constantly.

An average amount of talent like Gonzo had most of the time should do it or a great running game for play action passes.

DMWSackMachine
09-02-2010, 07:33 PM
Gates had the highest peak of any TE I've ever seen. After that it was close between Sharpe and Gonzo. Sharpe was more vertically explosive, but Tony G was a better end zone weapon and much better in jump ball situations. As receivers they were neck and neck. Gonzo was the better all around player, though, obviously.

And anyone who says that he (Gonzalez) was a "good" blocker is out of their minds. He was passable. Not a KII or Jay Novacek who could only ever get in somebodies way at best, but certainly not a "plus" blocker. That's revisionist history.

J-Mike88
09-03-2010, 02:16 PM
Shannon Sharpe was like a wide receiver out there, in his prime for Denver. I saw him with my own eyes at Green Bay in about 1993. Remember, he had John Elway there too, one of the GOAT.

I remember wanting Shannon coming out of tiny Savannah State. I had a 2nd round grade on him and remember watching him in one of the all-star games, maybe the Blue-Grey, and they thought he'd be a 2nd round pick as well.

When he slid so far and we didn't take him, I was pissed. Remember we had Sterling in his prime right there, thought that would be great.

Still, Tony was almost unstoppable. He was fast, and had great hands, timing, true basketball player. He'd out-rebound everyone, and he did. And his QB's were ******** all the way thru.

Gates is great too, no doubt. But having Drew Brees and Philip Rivers sure can make a guy look better than guys like Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen.
Oh, and LT all those years being the defense's #1 focused tended to open things up a bit for Gates as well. I just think Gonzalez was the best.

Splat
09-03-2010, 02:22 PM
Still, Tony was almost unstoppable. He was fast, and had great hands, timing, true basketball player. He'd out-rebound everyone, and he did. And his QB's were ******** all the way thru.

Trent Green says Hi.

CC.SD
09-03-2010, 03:27 PM
hooray trent green reference. Definitely a guy I couldn't help but like.