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J-Mike88
08-31-2010, 09:25 AM
Has anyone noticed more and more *****y tackling in the league as of late?

It's very rare that I see a guy make a proper, good form tackle. All the DBs try and launch into the guys with their heads leading, like missiles. We see more helmet-to-helmet hits than ever, despite it being a penalty, supposedly.

We saw Wheeler for the Colts try to KO Ryan Grant last Thursday, and he missed and broke his teammates hand.
I can remember the Viking DB last year in Arizona try and KO the Cardinals guy with his helmet, and missed, instead shattering teammate EJ Henderson's leg.

That's just the highlight ones I can recall. But every game, watch the DBs coming in and notice how their damn shells lead almost all the time.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a17e3a/Gore-bounces-off-for-a-big-gain

Watch this run by Frank Gore from this weekend. Notice #24 Michael Huff coming in, with a free shot to tackle him. Instead, he tries to launch into him. Doesn't even attempt to use his arms/hands to make the tackle. This is no exception right here.

I really would love to see what these tough guy DBs would do if they had the old leather helmets instead of these armored, rock-hard shells that they use as weapons.

We have some high school coaches on this board. Is tackling even taught anymore, or are these guys just always looking for the highlight reel instead of simply making a sure tackle (which too often hurts guys, and misses tackles)?

yourfavestoner
08-31-2010, 10:30 AM
Only to be expected, as the league starts moving towards basketball on grass and teams don't practice tackling anymore in order to prevent injuries. The form tackle really is a lost art.

Splat
08-31-2010, 11:15 AM
"You got to want to get dirty." ~ Herm Edwards

tjsunstein
08-31-2010, 01:16 PM
I saw it everywhere in the Packers-Colts game. Especially on the dump off pass to Addai.

Babylon
08-31-2010, 01:17 PM
The tackling has been poor for years. I think players want to go for the knockout on every play or are just plain too lazy to wrap up.

At some point the league is going to have to get serious about helmet to helmet hits. It'll probably take some tragic situation or some pretty boy to get his career threatened but sooner or later it'll be focused on and i dont mean some 25k fine. Sit someone down for 6 games and it'll stop tomorrow.

bigbluedefense
08-31-2010, 01:36 PM
Only to be expected, as the league starts moving towards basketball on grass and teams don't practice tackling anymore in order to prevent injuries. The form tackle really is a lost art.

it's also become such a speed game, that's its hard for a player to slow down, get the proper form, and wrap up.

nowadays most just go full speed and thrust their body at somebody and hope its enough to bring them down.

J-Mike88
08-31-2010, 04:24 PM
Yeah the guys are bigger and faster, on average, than ever before. Of course.
And more aggressive, violent, and mad. I think at least.

They play with reckless abandon. It's taught early.

As far as them running at full speed and all, sure, but they still choose to lower their heads and dive into'fly into the carrier/receiver all the time.

I hate when the DBs come in when a LB or DL is already bringing down or holding up a runner, and the DB comes in with his helmet, drilling the defenseless runner. I hate the cheap hits the safeties put on the defenseless receivers too, with their heads.

I love a good clean hard hit, but not using the rock hard shells.

I remember being pissed off and irritated by the Roy Williams horse-collars for a few years before the NFL finally got serious about that penalty.
And I was pissed off about the low hits on QBs, like on Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck, and once Brady got the hit, then the NFL got serious about it.

Will Brady have to play RB for them to get serious about the flying helmets?

CC.SD
08-31-2010, 04:37 PM
This is not a new situation. Tackling blows in the NFL.

yourfavestoner
08-31-2010, 04:39 PM
I really, really think this problem can be rectified by removing the facemask. I mean, really, who is going to fly in head-first without a facemask? It serves no purpose other than turning the helmet into a weapon.

CC.SD
08-31-2010, 04:47 PM
I really, really think this problem can be rectified by removing the facemask. I mean, really, who is going to fly in head-first without a facemask? It serves no purpose other than turning the helmet into a weapon.

it's also Wilfork repellant

yourfavestoner
08-31-2010, 04:51 PM
it's also Wilfork repellant

With Spikes and Wilfork on the same team now, you'd pretty much be an idiot not to wear a visor against the Pats from now on.

CC.SD
08-31-2010, 04:55 PM
With Spikes and Wilfork on the same team now, you'd pretty much be an idiot not to wear a visor against the Pats from now on.

hahaha, didn't realize the Pats were assembling the eye gougers.

Shiver
08-31-2010, 05:10 PM
This is not a new situation. Tackling blows in the NFL.


Watch some of the old NFL Films videos and you will see a lot of bad tackling. Just because the vast majority of highlights show the Steel Curtain and the 85 Bears doesn't mean that was the norm in the NFL.

hockey619
08-31-2010, 05:13 PM
Tackling has gotten progressively worse for over a decade. But what did you expect?

corners are being drafted to focus exclusively on the passing game in the modern nfl. even if theyre a liability against the run, its not nearly as important as it used to be back in the day of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. especially with the enforcement of the no downfield contact rule, teams are looking for speed and coverage ability over size and physicality. As the passing game continues to take over, LB'ers with good coverage/blitzing skills will become even more important as well.

This will continue until the league gets so pass heavy that some team changes it up, gets big heavy lineman and punishes the smaller faster defenses enroute to a super bowl. then the cycle will turn back and go the other way.

Teams are getting used to seeing the 3-4 and dealing with the complex blitzes. Pretty soon, teams will look to go back to the 4-3 because teams dont see it as much anymore, so its harder to play against because its not the norm, you dont prepare for it every week.

ive said it before so this is mostly just rehashing thats poorly written cause im watching tv also, but the nfl runs in cycles its just a matter of staying ahead of the curve.

CC.SD
08-31-2010, 05:14 PM
Watch some of the old NFL Films videos and you will see a lot of bad tackling. Just because the vast majority of highlights show the Steel Curtain and the 85 Bears doesn't mean that was the norm in the NFL.

My comment was organizationally based and not restricted to any particular era

hockey619
08-31-2010, 05:14 PM
Watch some of the old NFL Films videos and you will see a lot of bad tackling. Just because the vast majority of highlights show the Steel Curtain and the 85 Bears doesn't mean that was the norm in the NFL.


True but i think its even worse now because at least some guys were good form tacklers back in the day. I feel like no one is now, almost everyone just launches themselves to take out a guys legs.

J-Mike88
08-31-2010, 05:35 PM
I think it is similar, in a way, to basketball.

Watch the NBA and you'll see fewer & fewer guys who can knock down the wide open 16-18 footers compared to the olden days.

But these guys all know how to dunk, many different ways to dunk.

Why? Do they ever show the 16-footers on SportsCenter?
Do they ever show the big dunks?

Same with the NFL.
ESPN shows Jacked Up, not Wrapped Up.

*They should show Wrapped Up, and let Trojan be the presenting sponsor, brought to you by Antonio Cromaritie & Travis Henry.

CC.SD
08-31-2010, 05:42 PM
*They should show Wrapped Up, and let Trojan be the presenting sponsor, brought to you by Antonio Cromaritie & Travis Henry.

Special introduction from Philip Rivers

tjsunstein
08-31-2010, 06:50 PM
The NFL puts the E in ESPN.

hoekd0250
08-31-2010, 07:26 PM
I really, really think this problem can be rectified by removing the facemask. I mean, really, who is going to fly in head-first without a facemask? It serves no purpose other than turning the helmet into a weapon.

ok this is a terrible idea. The way we teach our high school kids is to break down at about 2yds away with there hands back like there reaching for a gun in the holster then exploding them forward up there back grabbing cloth and driving with there inside foot splitting the ball carrier. We then teach them to place there facemask on the ball bc it keeps there head up and makes them drop there hips to drive through the ball carrier so if u remove the facemask this eliminates this teaching point making tackling worse.

CC.SD
08-31-2010, 07:30 PM
ok this is a terrible idea. The way we teach our high school kids is to break down at about 2yds away with there hands back like there reaching for a gun in the holster then exploding them forward up there back grabbing cloth and driving with there inside foot splitting the ball carrier. We then teach them to place there facemask on the ball bc it keeps there head up and makes them drop there hips to drive through the ball carrier so if u remove the facemask this eliminates this teaching point making tackling worse.

This would be the same they would just put their face on the ball instead of the actual facemask.

ThePudge
08-31-2010, 07:38 PM
Sounds like your teams are all behind the times, the Bengals have had trouble with wrap-up tackling for the past two decades.

phlysac
08-31-2010, 07:39 PM
What I have noticed is that for a League that is supposedly focused on eliminating unnecessary c oncussion risks, they've done a truly terrible job of making sure that the players helmets are secured so they don't fall off on seemingly every single play.

Paranoidmoonduck
08-31-2010, 07:59 PM
This isn't new, people have been decrying the lack of proper tackling form since i started watching football.

There's always Patrick Willis though.

brat316
08-31-2010, 08:14 PM
I said this before in another thread, and someone was like, well they been practicing it since they were in pee wee, they should know how to tackle by now.

yourfavestoner
08-31-2010, 09:39 PM
ok this is a terrible idea. The way we teach our high school kids is to break down at about 2yds away with there hands back like there reaching for a gun in the holster then exploding them forward up there back grabbing cloth and driving with there inside foot splitting the ball carrier. We then teach them to place there facemask on the ball bc it keeps there head up and makes them drop there hips to drive through the ball carrier so if u remove the facemask this eliminates this teaching point making tackling worse.

My suggestion was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. You're preaching to the choir with "holster, punch" though, because that's the exact same way we taught our kids in form tackling drills haha.

You cannot deny, though, that guys would think twice before launch themselves face first at people if you took that cage protecting their face away.

Zycho32
09-01-2010, 01:39 AM
Is it a mentality issue? Is there somebody with true experience playing by today's modern pace who can explain the mechanics of ones thinking process when playing so fast?

Has the game- from a defensive standpoint- evolved from thinking to purely instinctive?

etk
09-01-2010, 01:57 AM
it's also become such a speed game, that's its hard for a player to slow down, get the proper form, and wrap up.

nowadays most just go full speed and thrust their body at somebody and hope its enough to bring them down.

THISTHISTHISTHIS

Football players know how to make a proper form tackle but the game is so fast that they don't have time to do so. This is especially true for DBs (OP's target) because they have to break hard downhill to attack RBs or WRs going for catches. They also have to hit low and lunge at legs because they're too small to do otherwise.

There will be tons of whiffs and overrun plays but that comes with the territory. Speed is the only way to play.

brat316
09-01-2010, 05:58 AM
Idk, as the game speed gets faster their instincts also get better, there not slouches they know how to react quickly.

Where is that one video of Brandon Jacobs running right by one of the Cowboys cb, the cb runs up to him but doesn't even try to touch him.

phlysac
09-01-2010, 04:03 PM
Where is that one video of Brandon Jacobs running right by one of the Cowboys cb, the cb runs up to him but doesn't even try to touch him.

Ah, yes. I think you mean this one. It was Derrick Ward, btw. Mike Jenkins' finest moment...

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brat316
09-01-2010, 04:53 PM
These players should already know how to tackle. Their Pop Warner and HS coaches must be failing there.

Found the quote. Yeah Hurricanes.

J-Mike88
09-01-2010, 06:28 PM
Ah, yes. I think you mean this one. It was Derrick Ward, btw. Mike Jenkins' finest moment...

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P*ssy. He must have learned that one from Cromartie, Antonio.
And that wasn't even big Brandon Jacobs there he was afraid of.