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shylo3716
09-09-2010, 06:44 PM
Here is a guy who single handily has improved over the past couple of seasons @ Tech as a passer. Last year he completed 136 passes on 243 attempts with 2,311 yards & a 56% completion rate. The other night against Boise St. he completed 15 passes on 22 attempts for 186 yards on 2 TD's. Aside from being an undersized 6'1'' 210 QB a knock I have on him is, that he still does not have the thought process of a top notch QB in a 2 minute drill. My question to you all who scout prospects, is can he get himself together in his final season to bring his stock up as a potential NFL QB? If he gets drafted what round does he go, & does he have a shot @ being a signal-caller @ the next level or will he make a position switch?

http://www.fantasycollegeblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Tyrod-Taylor.JPG

nepg
09-09-2010, 07:32 PM
There was a lot to like out of Taylor Monday. I saw him go through progressions, make good decisions with the ball, throw the ball with great zip, good accuracy, and a quick release, and I think most of his incompletions were drops on well-thrown, catchable balls (not to say they were all easy catches, but they were in the right place).

There was a lot of rumors saying he runs that offense as good as Vick did coming out of VT in the Summer. It's well-justified after what we saw Monday. Plus, he made that miracle run for a first down after nearly getting sacked that reminded me of Randall Cunningham.

I don't want to sound like there was nothing bad about his play Monday, but I didn't see anything. He took a couple sacks, but the replays did a good job showing the coverage...his receivers were smothered on those sacks. Good job taking the sacks.

Slightly unrelated, but I hate how NFL teams will draft a guy like Taylor to be a backup to a stiff (Hasselbeck - Wallace, O'Donnell - Stewart) or to start with a stiff backing him up (Vick - Schaub, Young - Collins). Teams never commit to having an athletic QB by keeping a stable of them on the roster. It'd be extremely beneficial for a team like Tennessee to have a guy like Pat White, Armanti Edwards, or Josh Cribbs backing up Vince Young. They can do a lot of things Young can do if they need to replace him, plus they play other positions that maximize roster spots. One of the experiments that I'd take on if I were a GM is to build a sick defense, then build my offense around athletic QBs with a unique offense to take advantage of their skill-sets.

BeerBaron
09-09-2010, 07:40 PM
He did look good vs. Boise, and I think he looked a little thicker than the 210 you have him at. He's probably a late-round project in my mind, and worst case scenario, could make the move to RB like Michael Robinson. They share some similarities imo.

shylo3716
09-09-2010, 08:48 PM
He did look good vs. Boise, and I think he looked a little thicker than the 210 you have him at. He's probably a late-round project in my mind, and worst case scenario, could make the move to RB like Michael Robinson. They share some similarities imo.

I got his measurements from ESPN.com but I also think he's about 215 or so give or take.

BuddyCHRIST
09-09-2010, 10:13 PM
How do you single handedly improve as a passer? Or I guess its how do you not...

But anyways, he's definitely improved and is a great athlete. But he still has such a long way to go as a passer that a position change is probably in his future.

djp
09-10-2010, 03:32 AM
The advantage he has over other running quarterbacks is that he's running a pro-style offense for the most part unlike a guy like Pat White.

Brent
09-10-2010, 06:08 AM
reminds me of Troy Smith, minus the hype.

619
09-10-2010, 08:44 AM
He can't be any worse than Tarvaris Jackson as a prospect, right?

FUNBUNCHER
09-10-2010, 09:57 AM
reminds me of Troy Smith, minus the hype.

Exactly, except Troy Smith is 10x the passer Taylor is.

nepg
09-10-2010, 11:30 AM
Exactly, except Troy Smith is 10x the passer Taylor is.
Well, I don't know about that... Taylor looks amazingly improved in that department. If you're only basing it off of past seasons, then you're right, but Taylor looked like a completely different passer against Boise State. Taylor's a better runner than Smith, though.

tjsunstein
09-10-2010, 11:41 AM
There were times in the Boise game where he missed wide open recievers. The one that sticks out the most is the pass behind the reciever on 3rd down to clinch the game.

There was a lot to like but he is still a developing QB. 5th-UDFA at this point.

Mr. Offseason
09-10-2010, 12:07 PM
There were times in the Boise game where he missed wide open recievers. The one that sticks out the most is the pass behind the reciever on 3rd down to clinch the game.

There was a lot to like but he is still a developing QB. 5th-UDFA at this point.

I thought that was a bad play, but do you think that might have been a miscommunication? I think Tyrod might have wanted him to break the route off closer to the sticks, but it could have easily just been a missed throw by Tyrod.

I think he is still a developing QB, but he has come a very long way since he has been at Virginia Tech. Some of his passes still don't have the best zip on them, but he definitely has the arm to put zip on whatever passes he wants. He has gotten a lot better at buying time in the pocket and going through his progressions in the pocket, but I didn't think he did a great job of this against Boise State. I think he did a fantastic job of doing that against Tennessee, but he wasn't as good at it against Boise. Of course that was just my impression live, so I have to re-watch it to get a better view of it.

tjsunstein
09-10-2010, 12:14 PM
I thought that was a bad play, but do you think that might have been a miscommunication? I think Tyrod might have wanted him to break the route off closer to the sticks, but it could have easily just been a missed throw by Tyrod.

I think he is still a developing QB, but he has come a very long way since he has been at Virginia Tech. Some of his passes still don't have the best zip on them, but he definitely has the arm to put zip on whatever passes he wants. He has gotten a lot better at buying time in the pocket and going through his progressions in the pocket, but I didn't think he did a great job of this against Boise State. I think he did a fantastic job of doing that against Tennessee, but he wasn't as good at it against Boise. Of course that was just my impression live, so I have to re-watch it to get a better view of it.
Could have been miscommunication. I was also there live and haven't even seen the highlights. At one point, I'll rewatch the game. No one stood out on the Va. Tech side for me, not even Ryan Williams, but both Titus Young and Austin Pettis did a great job for Boise State.

nepg
09-10-2010, 02:22 PM
There weren't a lot of plays where Tyrod had to go through progressions. There was a lot of one-read plays. The few times he had to go through progressions, I thought he looked good doing so.

BeerBaron
09-10-2010, 02:28 PM
There weren't a lot of plays where Tyrod had to go through progressions. There was a lot of one-read plays. The few times he had to go through progressions, I thought he looked good doing so.

Agreed. I was personally impressed with him as I said earlier. He isn't going to wow you with his passing skills, but they aren't bad and add to that his ability to run, and he could have a chance to stick at QB in the pros. I mean, Troy Smith is still floating around isn't he?

And if that doesn't work out, I think he could try making the move to RB ala Michael Robinson.

shylo3716
09-10-2010, 02:41 PM
Agreed. I was personally impressed with him as I said earlier. He isn't going to wow you with his passing skills, but they aren't bad and add to that his ability to run, and he could have a chance to stick at QB in the pros. I mean, Troy Smith is still floating around isn't he?

''And if that doesn't work out, I think he could try making the move to RB ala Michael Robinson.''

I highly doubt if he would make it in the NFL as a RB, he would be more suited as a slot WR or a PR IMO, I seen what he was capable of in HS even though it's another level he will venture off into.

PrimetimeTheDon
09-10-2010, 09:00 PM
Not an NFL QB prospect. He'll go undrafted.

shylo3716
09-10-2010, 09:06 PM
"Not an NFL QB prospect. He'll go undrafted."

That is a ridiculous statement!!!!! If players like Seneca Wallace can get drafted I know Tyrod will go 6-7th rd @ best.

BeerBaron
09-10-2010, 09:07 PM
Not an NFL QB prospect. He'll go undrafted.

You should really provide details as to why you believe this is the case....

shylo3716
09-10-2010, 09:34 PM
Before he goes undrafted trust & believe he will make a position switch.

Caulibflower
09-10-2010, 11:34 PM
Slightly unrelated, but I hate how NFL teams will draft a guy like Taylor to be a backup to a stiff (Hasselbeck - Wallace, O'Donnell - Stewart) or to start with a stiff backing him up (Vick - Schaub, Young - Collins). Teams never commit to having an athletic QB by keeping a stable of them on the roster. It'd be extremely beneficial for a team like Tennessee to have a guy like Pat White, Armanti Edwards, or Josh Cribbs backing up Vince Young. They can do a lot of things Young can do if they need to replace him, plus they play other positions that maximize roster spots. One of the experiments that I'd take on if I were a GM is to build a sick defense, then build my offense around athletic QBs with a unique offense to take advantage of their skill-sets.

I aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways do this whenever I've got a videogame franchise/dynasy.

BeerBaron
09-11-2010, 12:28 AM
I aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways do this whenever I've got a videogame franchise/dynasy.

Back when I used to build sim franchises in Madden (basically play GM/god and just simulate the games) I built one hell of a team with Seneca Wallace at QB. It was super run heavy but set to be real aggressive. Got MJD in a pretty cheap trade and drafted an in-game power back and converted him to FB....50/50 RB 1 and 2 split. Both rushed for over 1000 in their best season and Seneca rushed for another 500 while throwing for about 2000. Dominated.

FUNBUNCHER
09-11-2010, 06:00 PM
I didn't see Tyrod and Va Tech lose to Div. 1-AA James Madison, but I bet he had a LOT to do with the Hokies being upset.

JRTPlaya21
09-11-2010, 06:03 PM
I didn't see Tyrod and Va Tech lose to Div. 1-AA James Madison, but I bet he had a LOT to do with the Hokies being upset.

Actually nope. More like the defense and Tech's awful offensive coordinator. But thanks for spamming the thread though..

tjsunstein
09-11-2010, 06:35 PM
The play calling was suspect for the Boise State games in crucial moments. I didn't see the James Madison game, however.

FUNBUNCHER
09-11-2010, 06:46 PM
You're gonna blame a loss to James Madison on the OC and the defense??

Va Tech should have been able to force feed a heavy dose of Ryan Williams/Darren Evans/David Wilson and won that game by 3 scores.

vatech=accdomination
09-12-2010, 12:46 AM
Tyrod Taylor is the only reason the game was even close. You are off base in assuming that this loss was all on Taylor, we have one of the worse OC's in the nation, ask yourself why we did not run all over them, probably because our Offensive playbook was done with crayons and is on a Taco Bell kids meal bag.

SchizophrenicBatman
09-12-2010, 01:04 AM
vt's offense has been clownshoes for their entire non-mike vick existence

you'd think they wouldve figured something out by now

vatech=accdomination
09-12-2010, 01:56 AM
Look at who is currently on the offense, now albeit our OL is terrible this year and RW34 gets touched before the LOS all game, there is no way you should score only 16 points against JMU.

I know some of it could be 3 turnovers in JMU territory and kicking 3 field goals, but how does an offense with three RB's who are going to get drafted, 1 QB, at least 2 WR's, and probably 2 Linemen, lose to a team who is filled with players who were told they were not good enough to play at VT.

It all goes back to the decision to promote Stinespring to OC despite the fact you had Kevin Rodgers on your coaching staff, stupidity, and Beamer refuses to cut his losses on his mistake.

shylo3716
09-12-2010, 07:17 PM
reminds me of Troy Smith, minus the hype.

Yes Smith in stature, but he's Vick 2.0 athletically. If you were to ask Vick, who can compare to him he would utter T-Mobile.

FUNBUNCHER
09-12-2010, 07:18 PM
Tyrod is more Smith as an athlete than Vick. TT runs at best a 4.5, similar to Troy Smith.

shylo3716
09-12-2010, 07:37 PM
Tyrod is more Smith as an athlete than Vick. TT runs at best a 4.5, similar to Troy Smith.

I'm not saying Tyrod has Vick's speed, I'm comparing their elusiveness.

BeerBaron
09-12-2010, 07:57 PM
I don't think Tyrod has the agility or burts of Vick. Vick makes cuts on a dime and takes short, speedy strides. Tyrod strikes me as more fast than quick....he's not going to juke people out of their shoes like Vick can.

SchizophrenicBatman
09-13-2010, 12:24 AM
i really dont see much of Smith in Tyrod. Tressel managed to mold Smith into something of a pocket passer. Granted, he regressed back out of that in the NFL from what I saw. But Tyrod hasn't progressed much at VT. He drifts in and out of "trying to prove he can pass" mode, and that's not a good thing. I think he'll be lucky to get a Brad Smith type career out of the NFL

shylo3716
09-13-2010, 11:29 AM
He did look good vs. Boise, and I think he looked a little thicker than the 210 you have him at. He's probably a late-round project in my mind, and worst case scenario, could make the move to RB like Michael Robinson. They share some similarities imo.


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metafour
09-13-2010, 01:06 PM
Tyrods belong on cars, not on the football field.

steelcrew43
09-13-2010, 02:28 PM
Taylor = Juice Williams

IndyColtScout
09-13-2010, 02:30 PM
Hate him hes DJ Shockley.

IndyColtScout
09-13-2010, 02:31 PM
Taylor = Juice Williams

Are you saying Tyrod is going to be a LB in the NFL?

lol

BeerBaron
09-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Are you saying Tyrod is going to be a LB in the NFL?

lol

A pass rush specialist. Because he'll know what the QB is thinking.

BigDawg819
09-13-2010, 02:41 PM
reminds me of Troy Smith, minus the hype.

Not even as good as Troy IMO and thats not saying much considering my hatred of Troy Smith.

P-L
09-13-2010, 02:54 PM
reminds me of Troy Smith, minus the hype.
So he's a franchise NFL quarterback who just never got a fair chance?


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Hurricanes25
09-13-2010, 03:06 PM
A pass rush specialist. Because he'll know what the QB is thinking.

Haha, nailed it.

Anyways, who was the first guy around here that said that?

BeerBaron
09-13-2010, 03:15 PM
Haha, nailed it.

Anyways, who was the first guy around here that said that?

Starheather. I wish I could remember the other gems he gave.....at least he was hilariously bad, unlike BCE who was just dumb.

shylo3716
09-13-2010, 04:11 PM
Are you saying Tyrod is going to be a LB in the NFL?
lol

What do you mean by Tyrod being a LB like Juice Williams?

BeerBaron
09-13-2010, 04:23 PM
What do you mean by Tyrod being a LB like Juice Williams?

Forum joke about an old poster who made a thread suggesting that athletic QBs like Juice Williams should play as situation pass rushers since they will know what the QB will be thinking.

JoeJoeBrown
09-13-2010, 04:27 PM
Forum joke about an old poster who made a thread suggesting that athletic QBs like Juice Williams should play as situation pass rushers since they will know what the QB will be thinking.

That's funny. What's more funny is the idea that Juice Williams ever knew what it's like to think like a QB.

BamaFalcon59
10-26-2010, 12:23 PM
For those curious, Tyrod is having one hell of a senior year.

He currently is 106/166 passing (64%) for 1,602 yards (9.65 YPA) and fifteen touchdowns to only three interceptions. He also has 85 for 527 rushing (6.2 YPC) with 3 touchdowns. Two runs of over 70 yards.

Might get a Seneca Wallace-type look in the NFL if he keeps it up.

shylo3716
10-26-2010, 03:10 PM
For those curious, Tyrod is having one hell of a senior year.

He currently is 106/166 passing (64%) for 1,602 yards (9.65 YPA) and fifteen touchdowns to only three interceptions. He also has 85 for 527 rushing (6.2 YPC) with 3 touchdowns. Two runs of over 70 yards.

Might get a Seneca Wallace-type look in the NFL if he keeps it up.

He is so underrated and I feel like he deserves a shot at QB at the next level.

Caulibflower
10-26-2010, 03:34 PM
I wouldn't mind Seneca's old team picking him up in the 5th or so. That is, if the front office again decides not to tab an obvious replacement for Hasselbeck.

BamaFalcon59
10-27-2010, 01:06 PM
He is so underrated and I feel like he deserves a shot at QB at the next level.

I agree. He has his issues (staying calm in the pocket, going through progressions, inconsistant accuracy, lobs deep balls too often) but what makes him have a valid shot is how rapidly he is improving.

He looked so much better as a junior than he did as a sophomore, and he looks much improved this year.

I think he'll get a shot, but if not he may be able to find a spot at WR. He looks much, much faster and much quicker this season opposed to last.

mini
10-28-2010, 10:58 AM
Tyrod Taylor + Chan Gailey

Black Bolt
10-28-2010, 01:24 PM
I agree. He has his issues (staying calm in the pocket, going through progressions, inconsistant accuracy, lobs deep balls too often) but what makes him have a valid shot is how rapidly he is improving.

He looked so much better as a junior than he did as a sophomore, and he looks much improved this year.

I think he'll get a shot, but if not he may be able to find a spot at WR. He looks much, much faster and much quicker this season opposed to last.

Very good points. I had my doubts about him early on as he was erratic, didn't like contact and was always twisting his ankle, but this guy took a big leap last year and and even bigger one this year. He's definitely on the upswing.

shylo3716
10-29-2010, 06:26 AM
Some say position switch I say QB for sure. As of now he is the 4th rated QB overall behind Kellen Moore 188.3, Ricky Stanzi 174.9, Can Newton 172.2, Tyrod Taylor 171.1, Stephen Garcia 170.2.......If he does not get drafted as a QB I will be dissapointed in GMs for not giving him the chance, he is proving himself as a QB this year.

Shane P. Hallam
10-29-2010, 09:10 AM
Some say position switch I say QB for sure. As of now he is the 4th rated QB overall behind Kellen Moore 188.3, Ricky Stanzi 174.9, Can Newton 172.2, Tyrod Taylor 171.1, Stephen Garcia 170.2.......If he does not get drafted as a QB I will be dissapointed in GMs for not giving him the chance, he is proving himself as a QB this year.

Look at that list though.

Kellen Moore - not an NFL QB.
Ricky Stanzi - I like him, but likely not an NFL starter
Cam Newton - hasn't proven he can be an NFL QB
Garcia - not an NFL QB


I don't think this matters much...

BamaFalcon59
10-29-2010, 12:13 PM
Look at that list though.

Kellen Moore - not an NFL QB.
Ricky Stanzi - I like him, but likely not an NFL starter
Cam Newton - hasn't proven he can be an NFL QB
Garcia - not an NFL QB


I don't think this matters much...

Considering where he was two years ago (99/173, 1,036 yards passing, 5,99 YPA, 2 TD, 7 INT, 103.25 EFF), him being in the upper echelon as far as efficiancy is concerned is very important IMO. Yes, it is a stat, but the improvement is what matters.

shylo3716
10-29-2010, 06:56 PM
Look at that list though.

Kellen Moore - not an NFL QB.
Ricky Stanzi - I like him, but likely not an NFL starter
Cam Newton - hasn't proven he can be an NFL QB
Garcia - not an NFL QB


I don't think this matters much...

Where does that leave Taylor then?

PrimetimeTheDon
10-31-2010, 06:53 PM
reminds me of Troy Smith, minus the hype.

Brent, you remind me of someone who doesn't watch a lot of college football.

It sounds like I'm saying this after the fact, but I'm not. Troy Smith is and was a far superior passer.

Tyrod Taylor sucks and will never have an official roster spot on an NFL team.

steelcrew43
10-31-2010, 06:59 PM
passer rating in college has a lot to do with scheme

shylo3716
10-31-2010, 07:52 PM
passer rating in college has a lot to do with scheme

To be technical Tech is a run 1st team.

SchizophrenicBatman
10-31-2010, 09:30 PM
College passer rating has a hard on for not throwing interceptions, which is great, but when you can just scramble instead of throwing difficult passes it doesnt mean much for the NFL

I dont think I've ever seen Tyrod win a game with his arm. Not saying it hasn't happened, just that I haven't seen it

Until that happens, he's still a guy you draft as an athlete who can throw

BamaFalcon59
11-01-2010, 01:51 PM
College passer rating has a hard on for not throwing interceptions, which is great, but when you can just scramble instead of throwing difficult passes it doesnt mean much for the NFL

I dont think I've ever seen Tyrod win a game with his arm. Not saying it hasn't happened, just that I haven't seen it

Until that happens, he's still a guy you draft as an athlete who can throw

Not sure what you're asking, but I'll try to help.

With his arm, and no help from the defense or running game, he won the 2009 game against Duke. We won 34-26, Duke holding RW to under 100 yards and torching our secondary. Taylor put up 17/22 327 yards passing, 2 passing touchdowns. -1 yards rushing.

As for winning games late with his arm, we won against Nebraska (2009) and NC State (2010) on touchdown passes in the final two minutes. Both teams were ranked.

And then there have been a bevy of games where he had good passing performances and we won in blowouts.

Also, making sure his arm isn't doubted. Tyrod may float some long balls, but he has the arm strength to make any throw in the book.

As for our offense, it's pretty pro style in comparison to most college offenses. We have been in spread more often as of late, but we throw the ball down the field consistantly.

goldenbear.cal
11-01-2010, 02:11 PM
How does Tyrod compare to Marcus Vick? Just curious because they look so much alike on the field.

shylo3716
11-01-2010, 02:24 PM
How does Tyrod compare to Marcus Vick? Just curious because they look so much alike on the field.

The only similarities that they have are there jersey #s, and that they both are from the Peninsula. Marcus was a pocket passer and Tyrod is a runner who is working on passing.

If you ask me Tyrod is more of a Mike Vick when it comes to his throwing motion, they both have that wind-up hitch with their release. If you don't agree look at some film when Tyrod was a Fr. and Soph. Since then I guess his QB coach has worked with him to stray away from the wind-up release, but I kind've liked it because it reminded me so much of Mike Vick.

CLong4Heisman
11-01-2010, 02:38 PM
I think he's a 5th round pick that could be used as a Brad Smith type of player. However, I hope he at least gets a shot to prove himself at QB especially since he has shown the ability to improve tremendously.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-01-2010, 03:28 PM
Duke doesnt count. I watched the NC State game, he didn't win it with his arm. He threw a TD pass late which is great but Reggie Ball has done that. IIRC he was under 100 yards passing before that touchdown and Darren Evans killed the NC State defense the entire game

I think I remember being impressed with the last drive of the Nebraska game but I didn't see the whole game and it was a low scoring affair. I just went and looked at the box score...Tyrod was 12 of 27 and Ryan Williams ran for 100 yards. Look, not saying these victories weren't impressive but if those are the high points of your career you're not an NFL prospect at QB

BamaFalcon59
11-01-2010, 11:18 PM
Duke doesnt count. I watched the NC State game, he didn't win it with his arm. He threw a TD pass late which is great but Reggie Ball has done that. IIRC he was under 100 yards passing before that touchdown and Darren Evans killed the NC State defense the entire game

I think I remember being impressed with the last drive of the Nebraska game but I didn't see the whole game and it was a low scoring affair. I just went and looked at the box score...Tyrod was 12 of 27 and Ryan Williams ran for 100 yards. Look, not saying these victories weren't impressive but if those are the high points of your career you're not an NFL prospect at QB

I didn't say that. I said he won those games on his arm.

You are being extremely critical of Taylor as far as trying to find games that he won on his arm. He's not going to have many of those. There are too many variables. We have an excellent running game. We have an excellent defense. Tyrod is simply not going to be asked to win the game often, especially not by himself and not under Frank Beamer.

Also, pointing out game statistics is rather pointless. The Nebraska game was the turning point of Taylor's career, if you don't believe me look at the numbers. His performance that game was not impressive, only how he performed with two minutes left, where he dropped a bomb into the arms of Danny Coale and then a few plays later shot it into the endzone for a game winning TD with Ndamukung Suh draped all over him.

shylo3716
11-04-2010, 07:50 PM
Right before I was about to say Tyrod is looking good he throws a DAMN PICK....He had all the time in the world in the pocket to make something happen. Why not use your feet when you're capable of out-running the spy they had on you. After all your name is "T-MOBILE"

BamaFalcon59
11-04-2010, 09:38 PM
Thus far TT has played his worst game of the season.

Let's see if he steps it up.

shylo3716
12-04-2010, 11:14 PM
Is he a 3rd rounder at best now??????

If he is not an NFL QB coming out of college I don't know what the QB position stands for as far as the definition.

Brent
12-04-2010, 11:22 PM
Brent, you remind me of someone who doesn't watch a lot of college football.
I never thought highly of Troy Smith. I don't think highly of Taylor.

shylo3716
12-04-2010, 11:32 PM
I never thought highly of Troy Smith. I don't think highly of Taylor.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tyrod is a WINNER, he is Tech's All-Time leader in wins and he has every QB record except for 1 at Tech, which is most passing TDs. He has proven himself as a QB, and nobody should be able to take that away from him.

Hurricanes25
12-04-2010, 11:37 PM
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tyrod is a WINNER, he is Tech's All-Time leader in wins and he has every QB record except for 1 at Tech, which is most passing TDs. He has proven himself as a QB, and nobody should be able to take that away from him.

All of that means absolutely nothing. See Dorsey, Ken Dorsey.

brasho
12-04-2010, 11:39 PM
I'm not really sure about his arm... height... accuracy...ability to hang in the pocket (or should I say willingness?). I think he goes undrafted. If Troy Smith went in round 5, I would think Taylor is a 7th round hopeful at this point. I know he's athletic, but I don't think he is so athletic that he could play another position. I think QB is it for him and I think he could stick as a backup at the next level but considering his arm/size limitations, expecting more than that isn't realistic.

shylo3716
12-04-2010, 11:40 PM
Why is Tyrod getting sh*tted on?

Babylon
12-04-2010, 11:44 PM
Seneca Wallace has lasted 9 years in the NFL with a lot less to offer than Taylor. I think he can have some sort of career at the next level.

FUNBUNCHER
12-04-2010, 11:56 PM
I've totally changed my opinion on Taylor after this season. He's progressed as a passer by quantum leaps from where he was as a freshman.

Right now, I see a guy who's a backup in the NFL, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrod spends a few years in his career as a starter for some team.

shylo3716
12-05-2010, 12:00 AM
Tyrod vs FSU

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
18/28 263 9.4 3 0

steelcrew43
12-14-2010, 01:37 PM
To be technical Tech is a run 1st team.

which would accomadate play action and one read throws (high percentage passing plays)

1funguy
12-28-2010, 07:30 AM
Tyrod made huge strides at the QB position during his tenure at VT.

Does that make him an NFL-caliber QB?

IMO, & said as a die-hard Hokie fan, not as a long-term starter. I think he'll be drafted, late 5th at the earliest. I think that he'll get a few starts due to injuries. But I don't believe that he'll ever be viewed as THE starting QB for any NFL team. He just doesn't fit the mold. As good as Vick has become, he still isn't what most teams look for in their franchise QB. And Tyrod doesn't have Vick's running ability or arm strength. Both are certainly more than adequate but he'll struggle at the next level due to his size & not being outstanding in any area.

My hat is still off to him for a great career at Virginia Tech.

Sniper
12-28-2010, 10:39 AM
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tyrod is a WINNER, he is Tech's All-Time leader in wins and he has every QB record except for 1 at Tech, which is most passing TDs.

Which tends to happen frequently when a guy starts for four years.

BamaFalcon59
12-28-2010, 02:46 PM
Which tends to happen frequently when a guy starts for four years.

Eh, three. First two years he split snaps with Glennon.

shylo3716
01-02-2011, 04:15 PM
What will his ceiling be after he makes Stanford's defense look stupid?

niel89
01-02-2011, 04:40 PM
What will his ceiling be after he makes Stanford's defense look stupid?

UDFA after he throws multiple picks and fumbles the game away >:p

shylo3716
01-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Looking good getting out the pocket eluding 3 potential tackles

shylo3716
01-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Tyrod is a f*cking beast who got unleashed

JLaw45
01-03-2011, 08:29 PM
That was some of the most ballin **** EVER.

DBNYDP
01-03-2011, 08:29 PM
I'm higher on this guy than most, and honestly I like him as much as any other QB after Luck..
He makes reads. Good arm. Good legs. Fairly good decision making. Haven't heard of many red flags.
Lacks touch on shorter routes.
If I were a GM, I'd pass on Locker/Newton/Mallet and go after this guy in the 2nd or 3rd round.
I'm not a V-Tech fan, but I've watched this guy for a while.
I'm impressed.

roscoesdad27
01-03-2011, 09:26 PM
What will his ceiling be after he makes Stanford's defense look stupid?

I'd say washington at pick 41 in the second round where he'd be a perfect fit in shannahans offense plus he's a local guy....he's better than locker or gabbert imho

shylo3716
01-03-2011, 09:40 PM
This game will help him more then hurt him for 1 reason and 1 reason only.....everyone wants to see Luck, but once they realize how good of a QB Tyrod is at making plays they will have no choice but to notice him.

DBNYDP
01-03-2011, 09:47 PM
After the game is over Taylor should send Luck a fruit basket.
Taylor is in my top 5 QBs this year.
I put him right there with Newton/Mallet/Locker.

Arsenal
01-03-2011, 10:11 PM
Wow, his hype is certainly hitting a high right now...


Tyrod made huge strides at the QB position during his tenure at VT.

Does that make him an NFL-caliber QB?

IMO, & said as a die-hard Hokie fan, not as a long-term starter. I think he'll be drafted, late 5th at the earliest. I think that he'll get a few starts due to injuries. But I don't believe that he'll ever be viewed as THE starting QB for any NFL team. He just doesn't fit the mold. As good as Vick has become, he still isn't what most teams look for in their franchise QB. And Tyrod doesn't have Vick's running ability or arm strength. Both are certainly more than adequate but he'll struggle at the next level due to his size & not being outstanding in any area.

My hat is still off to him for a great career at Virginia Tech.

I completely agree with this assessment. I really admire the way he improved himself as a player but I really can't see him being a starting quarterback with any sort of regularity. I think he can make a nice career backup however and I really think that's great for him because I thought he would be nowhere near that awhile back.

JPP90
01-03-2011, 10:17 PM
DBPwhatever + roscosdad= fruitcakes

This always happens with an athlete playing QB at a major program. They all become better than they really are.

DBNYDP
01-03-2011, 10:20 PM
So when an athlete plays at a smaller program and doesn't produce that much, we just excuse the fact that he doesn't produce?

JPP90
01-03-2011, 10:29 PM
So when an athlete plays at a smaller program and doesn't produce that much, we just excuse the fact that he doesn't produce?

Let's put it this way...if a guy goes to a smaller program, you're gonna get your stat geeks that dismiss him if he doesn't put up huge numbers. But college numbers mean absolutely nothing in the way of whether he can play or not. You could give Sam Bradford a bunch of schmucks at Oklahoma and his numbers would suffer and mental giants like you would dismiss him but he'd still be Sam Bradford in the NFL. I can understand getting hot and horny over Tyrod to the point where you think he's a backup and draftable now after 1 game. But to say he's a franchise QB? Put down the cough syrup. Both of you. Everyone jumps on certain guys over 1 game but if Jake Locker or Christian Ponder have a good game, they're still garbage.

DBNYDP
01-03-2011, 10:35 PM
Let's put it this way...if a guy goes to a smaller program, you're gonna get your stat geeks that dismiss him if he doesn't put up huge numbers. But college numbers mean absolutely nothing in the way of whether he can play or not. You could give Sam Bradford a bunch of schmucks at Oklahoma and his numbers would suffer and mental giants like you would dismiss him but he'd still be Sam Bradford in the NFL. I can understand getting hot and horny over Tyrod to the point where you think he's a backup and draftable now after 1 game. But to say he's a franchise QB? Put down the cough syrup. Both of you. Everyone jumps on certain guys over 1 game but if Jake Locker or Christian Ponder have a good game, they're still garbage.
When did I say he was a franchise QB.

The only franchise QB in this draft is Andrew Luck. Locker/Newton/Mallet are all going to bust.
Taylor isn't the prettiest but he can be a successful QB, making plays with his legs/arm.

His decision making is good, he can actually make reads, he produces, and has great natural ability (arms + legs).

Sure drooling over a guy who can't even complete 50% of his passes is much more rational than saying a guy who produces in game can be a solid NFL QB.

JPP90
01-03-2011, 10:40 PM
Oh ok...that explains it. I wasmt aware that Locker Mallett and Newton were all going to bust, my bad. Yeah, getting waxed in a BCS bowl game makes you a great QB prospect. Loved him against James Madison too, that was clutch.

FUNBUNCHER
01-03-2011, 10:43 PM
Let's put it this way...if a guy goes to a smaller program, you're gonna get your stat geeks that dismiss him if he doesn't put up huge numbers. But college numbers mean absolutely nothing in the way of whether he can play or not. You could give Sam Bradford a bunch of schmucks at Oklahoma and his numbers would suffer and mental giants like you would dismiss him but he'd still be Sam Bradford in the NFL. I can understand getting hot and horny over Tyrod to the point where you think he's a backup and draftable now after 1 game. But to say he's a franchise QB? Put down the cough syrup. Both of you. Everyone jumps on certain guys over 1 game but if Jake Locker or Christian Ponder have a good game, they're still garbage.


See, the problem is, Tyrod has outplayed Locker AND Ponder this season.

DBNYDP
01-03-2011, 10:43 PM
Oh ok...that explains it. I wasmt aware that Locker Mallett and Newton were all going to bust, my bad. Yeah, getting waxed in a BCS bowl game makes you a great QB prospect. Loved him against James Madison too, that was clutch.
Locker isn't very accurate. Doesn't make the reads an NFL QB makes. While still making poor decisions.
Newton could be successful. But once again he plays in a VERY friendly offense. His passes often float. HE RELIES on his legs.
Mallet has very little touch. And makes terrible decisions. There are some character concerns as well.

I should have said they are going to be busts in my opinion.

JPP90
01-03-2011, 10:48 PM
See, the problem is, Tyrod has outplayed Locker AND Ponder this season.

Oh yeah if numbers alone made you an NFL prospect that would matter one iota. Good job.

DBNYDP
01-03-2011, 10:53 PM
Oh yeah if numbers alone made you an NFL prospect that would matter one iota. Good job.
Going by game film he has also outplayed them...

JPP90
01-03-2011, 10:54 PM
Locker isn't very accurate. Doesn't make the reads an NFL QB makes. While still making poor decisions.
Newton could be successful. But once again he plays in a VERY friendly offense. His passes often float. HE RELIES on his legs.
Mallet has very little touch. And makes terrible decisions. There are some character concerns as well.

I should have said they are going to be busts in my opinion.

Locker plays in a pro style with designed runs. He reads defenses. They run it out of the shotgun though to get him out of the pocket because the line can't hold back a swift breeze. Stick to the Tyrod Taylor analysis.

FUNBUNCHER
01-03-2011, 10:56 PM
Oh yeah if numbers alone made you an NFL prospect that would matter one iota. Good job.

Um, production in games still matters for a college QB, not just 'tools' and 'potential'.

If you can't show it on Saturdays, what good is it to have ability??

Now you understand the problem people have with Locker.

DBNYDP
01-03-2011, 10:57 PM
Locker plays in a pro style with designed runs. He reads defenses. They run it out of the shotgun though to get him out of the pocket because the line can't hold back a swift breeze. Stick to the Tyrod Taylor analysis.
Have you watched him?
He only has to make reads on half the field most of the time.
Sarkisian made a system that makes it much easier on a QB.
Did you see tonight? Tell me how well that V Tech line did against the Stanford line, and see how Taylor made plays still.

JPP90
01-03-2011, 11:00 PM
Going by game film he has also outplayed them...

Yeah, if you watched any maybe. The people that don't like Locker make criticisms about him that people who watch the games don't. People that watch the games comment on drops and his supporting cast. People that look at the stats nitpick him. There are so many variables that tie into a statline that there's no way you can judge a QB by that alone. Every drop counts against them..every tipped pass that a defender intercepts counts...when their WRs can't make plays, they can't either. And its pretty damn hard to make plays on the run every play. If I hadn't watched so many of his games, Id probably knock him too. But he's clearly a man among boys. He's had a few rough games this year but ya know what? Andrew Luck would have too on that team. He's proven his worth with what he's had at his disposal....you guys just better hope he goes to Mobile and looks like hell.

JPP90
01-03-2011, 11:05 PM
Um, production in games still matters for a college QB, not just 'tools' and 'potential'.

If you can't show it on Saturdays, what good is it to have ability??

Now you understand the problem people have with Locker.

If he were playing with a major league cast, you'd be right. But when a guy isn't then its foolish to judge him. Nobody would put up big numbers at washington...nobody.

FUNBUNCHER
01-03-2011, 11:17 PM
If he were playing with a major league cast, you'd be right. But when a guy isn't then its foolish to judge him. Nobody would put up big numbers at washington...nobody.

But would another QB have put up BETTER numbers than Locker at U Dub??

JPP90
01-03-2011, 11:21 PM
But would another QB have put up BETTER numbers than Locker at U Dub??

No. With their line and their WR core, nobody is putting up huge numbers there. If Locker weren't mobile, he'd have had to transfer because there is no way he'd have survived there without the ability to escape the pocket. Put a Manning in that offense and you'd think they were UDFA material...on their ass every play.

Halsey
01-06-2011, 08:06 PM
OK, I haven't watched a ton of Taylor, but everytime I do see him he does not look like an NFL caliber passer at all. He also isn't very big or that great of a runner. I'm wondering if he's a little overrated by fans.

shylo3716
01-06-2011, 08:13 PM
OK, I haven't watched a ton of Taylor, but everytime I do see him he does not look like an NFL caliber passer at all. He also isn't very big or that great of a runner. I'm wondering if he's a little overrated by fans.

That sounds ridiculous he's become a better passer in his Sr. year then his first 3 put together.

BallerT1215
01-06-2011, 11:52 PM
As an FSU fan...We faced him 3 times...We knocked him out of the game and won on one occasion....the other 2 occasions (most recently the ACC Champ) he made everrrrrry big play...absoutely dominated us in the 2 other games...I like his talent, and he can make most throws...he definitely has matured as a passer and improved every year since being at VT...

I'd be willing to take a chance on him in the 4th or 5th rnd area if we had an OK talent already at QB (as the Bills do in Fitzpatrick)

baronzeus
01-07-2011, 03:09 AM
I was at the Stanford-VT game.

Tyrod Taylor had open receivers on NUMEROUS occasions (let's say 10) and missed on almost every one. He made 1 good throw the entire game, a handful of "expected" throws, and a bunch of bad ones.

We couldn't believe people thought this guy had an NFL future. I just don't see it. He was really, really awful.

JPP90
01-07-2011, 03:29 AM
Hey how about Dwight Dasher too...that guy sure is an exciting QB. Let's take Dasher and Tyrod as developmental guys in the 3rd-4th round and hope they never have to play.

BamaFalcon59
01-07-2011, 03:21 PM
Tyrod did have a horrible game against Standford.

However...

He is big enough (6'1" 210) and definitely a great runner. Not sure where Hasley got that he wasn't.

And he can make every throw.

And he has improved by leaps and bounds from '08-'09 and '09-'10.

He needs major help on making his reads. Major. And then needs help on his deep accuracy.

49erNation85
01-07-2011, 03:44 PM
Kellen Moore put up more numbers then this guy and you aren't arguing him having a good NFL future career . Hes listen at 6' barely 6'1 for stats wise . What gives there ?

FUNBUNCHER
01-07-2011, 04:10 PM
I was at the Stanford-VT game.

Tyrod Taylor had open receivers on NUMEROUS occasions (let's say 10) and missed on almost every one. He made 1 good throw the entire game, a handful of "expected" throws, and a bunch of bad ones.

We couldn't believe people thought this guy had an NFL future. I just don't see it. He was really, really awful.

TT was under constant pressure that entire game. He rarely had a chance to set up and throw before he was flushed.

Stanford won that game in the trenches; their Dline dominated Va Tech.

baronzeus
01-07-2011, 11:43 PM
TT was under constant pressure that entire game. He rarely had a chance to set up and throw before he was flushed.

Stanford won that game in the trenches; their Dline dominated Va Tech.

I wasn't referring to the times he was under pressure. The times his line held up and he had open receivers, he threw it way too deep. Almost every time. He has no touch on his throws, at least in the limited sample size I saw.

shylo3716
01-18-2011, 02:55 PM
Todd McShay reports that, Tyrod will not run routes or be in the return game in the East West Shrine Game. He will be evaluated as a QB.

BamaFalcon59
01-20-2011, 01:34 PM
From NFL.com

Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech has been one of the more consistent performers at quarterback. He has shown good skills in and out of the pocket, and his ability to throw on the move makes him an ideal weapon in a movement-based passing game. While some would like to project him at another position, he has shown enough potential in these practices to garner serious consideration as a developmental quarterback prospect.

1funguy
01-20-2011, 01:42 PM
Tyrod did have a horrible game against Standford.

However...

He is big enough (6'1" 210) and definitely a great runner. Not sure where Hasley got that he wasn't.

And he can make every throw.

And he has improved by leaps and bounds from '08-'09 and '09-'10.

He needs major help on making his reads. Major. And then needs help on his deep accuracy.

You can thank his idiot OC Stinespring for much of his deficiency in this area.

I'm not saying that Tyrod is going to be a quality starter in the NFL, but he made huge strides in his game while at VT & has the ability to make more at the next level.

People who are just dismissing him either are clueless, have an agenda, or haven't spent any time watching him other than PERHAPS via youtube.

Ness
02-01-2011, 03:12 PM
I wouldn't mind the 49ers taking a chance on him in the late rounds.

shylo3716
03-10-2011, 06:39 PM
Excellent read
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/626798-nfl-draft-2011-10-targets-for-the-philadelphia-eagles-in-rounds-one-and-two#headline

Sniper
03-10-2011, 06:44 PM
Excellent read
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/626798-nfl-draft-2011-10-targets-for-the-philadelphia-eagles-in-rounds-one-and-two#headline

Nothing from Bleacher Report is an excellent read, especially anything that suggests Taylor in the first two rounds.

MikeTheDudeV2
03-10-2011, 07:34 PM
Tyrod Taylor reminds me a lot of Dennis Dixon. Slightly above average in quite a few areas and has wonderful athletic ability. He should be a very good NFL Backup. Not sure if he has the potential to be a starter, though.

TitansCJftw
03-10-2011, 08:53 PM
Excellent read
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/626798-nfl-draft-2011-10-targets-for-the-philadelphia-eagles-in-rounds-one-and-two#headline

uhm what exactly does that have to do with tyrod taylor haha maybe i missed something but i saw nothing about him

shylo3716
03-10-2011, 09:46 PM
uhm what exactly does that have to do with tyrod taylor haha maybe i missed something but i saw nothing about him

My bad I don't know how the link got messed up......

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/604326-the-philly-eagles-could-have-the-steal-of-the-2011-draft-in-vts-tyrod-taylor

Sniper
03-10-2011, 09:47 PM
My bad I don't know how the link got messed up......

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/604326-the-philly-eagles-could-have-the-steal-of-the-2011-draft-in-vts-tyrod-taylor

"Taylor is fast like Vick".

LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZ.

Seriously, don't link Bleacher Report. It rots brain cells.