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J-Mike88
09-11-2010, 11:00 AM
Holy crap, look at the guy Scott has us taking with our first pick.
Check out the guys bio. IS that for real?
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

princefielder28
09-14-2010, 02:36 PM
Add RB to the list of any of our needs now....

princefielder28
09-17-2010, 02:03 PM
Not much discussion going on in here...one position that will need more competition for next off-season will be corner and here's a list of guys I'd like to see...

Brandon Hogan
Justin Rogers
Chris Harris
Marcus Gilchrist
Davon House

PackerLegend
09-17-2010, 02:57 PM
Yes I really really hope we finally address the CB position and get somebody with lots of talent. No more 2nd 4th and UDFA CB's who really aren't cutting it.

tjsunstein
09-17-2010, 03:25 PM
Brandon Hogan got a DUI and may be suspended for the season. Could be a steal.

johbur
09-18-2010, 03:32 AM
Holy crap, look at the guy Scott has us taking with our first pick.
Check out the guys bio. IS that for real?
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

If that LB can run a 4.25 and is anywhere near the Packers, I'd love to see him on the team. CB and RB might be bigger needs, but Moch as a Packer would be special to see along with Barnett and Matthews.

J-Mike88
09-23-2010, 01:30 PM
Brandon Hogan got a DUI and may be suspended for the season.
That's fantastic.
http://www.gasthofzg.com/images/Pictures/Festivals/newer/customer-beer-toast.jpg

princefielder28
10-18-2010, 10:59 AM
Ranking our needs...

1. OLB (pass rusher)
2. CB
3. OT (Bulaga is the replacement for Tauscher, not Clifton)
4. RB (Hopefully Grant comes back 100% next year and we need to see what Starks is made of)
5. DE (we need depth along the defensive line at all times)

bigboiajhawk
10-28-2010, 09:47 PM
I think it would be pretty awesome, not being a homer, if the Packers drafted either Carimi or Watt from Wisconsin. Unlike PrinceFielder, I think Bulaga is the LT of the future, even though he is playing really well at RT. Draft Carimi, make him a RT, our OL is set for the next 8+ years.

umphrey
10-31-2010, 04:31 PM
It's good to know that Bulaga (at RT at least) and Tramon can both be starters for the next bunch of years so unlike the last couple of drafts we only need 1 CB and 1 OT instead of 2. We aren't forced to take either one in the first 2 rounds now.

umphrey
11-01-2010, 06:12 PM
Repost from 2011 draft needs thread

1) OT/OG: They need to take the best OL available because the only spot on the line that is locked is RG (Sitton). I don't think they know if Bulaga is going to play LT, LG, or RT, but both tackles really look like they are going to retire after this year and at left guard they are playing disappointing Daryn Colledge who I'm pretty sure is a UFA next year, and they've been experimenting with replacements. Might need 2 guys here.
2) OLB: Pass rush has been a major problem especially now that Clay Matthews is getting all the attention. Brad Jones, 2009 7th rounder, has been hurt and benched a few times and is currently on IR. Former 4-3 SAM LB Poppinga is on IR and a backup at best. Rookie UDFA Frank Zombo is not athletic enough to do anything besides fill his gap and limit mistakes.
3) PR/KR: Unless they want to risk getting starters hurt, they need a return specialist to cover up a pretty major weakness here.

---This is where need ends. Wants and future replacements begin---

4) CB: Tramon Williams is a true #1 and 27 years old. Woodson is going to keep playing for a few years but he should get moved to safety the first offseason we can do it. He's been having trouble in coverage this year for the first time and Capers has been consistently putting him in the box to blitz or play the run. Rookie UDFA Sam Shields looks promising (currently nickel) but the Packers need a nickel back at best and a #2 starter at worst.
5) RB: Ryan Grant and Brandon Jackson are pretty much the only viable options here, and Grant is coming off surgery. They need a 3rd, who will get into the weekly game plan if they like him, but at worst will make the roster and take a bunch of carries if Grant or Jackson gets hurt. Preferably a quick receiver, something that would work great in our offense but we haven't had in years.
6) Center: Scott Wells is a bit undersized and has lost his starting job in the past. He's been consistent but I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in competition outside the first 2 rounds here to see if they can give Rodgers a guy to get chemistry with, in addition to helping out the inept run game, help call blitzes, and hold up to some good NFC-N DTs in December and January.
7) Wide Receiver: Donald Driver signed an extension but also went 2 games in a row with zero catches after over 100 straight games with a catch. James Jones and Jordy Nelson are both talented but very inconsistent, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they brought in a guy at #5 to get a head start on him for after Driver leaves. Since they use 4 receivers every week (despite rarely putting more than 3 true WRs on the field at the same time now) even a guy that is 5th on the depth chart has a good chance to see the field on a weekly basis.



I'm usually not one to hype Wisconsin draft products but I would be ecstatic if we drafted David Gilreath or James White (when he comes out)...or Carimi to a lesser extent. Carimi playing LG might be exactly what our running game needs.

Favre4ever
11-13-2010, 10:39 AM
OLB

If we get another threat to compliment Matthews, the other needs on defense become secondary. Our defense would instantly be one of the best in the league. Thats where our 1st pick should go.

OL

Bulaga, Sitton, Lang and Newhouse look good for the future as starters and depth guys that can eventually become starters. Clifton is almost done, Colledge is doing ok but hes a poor run blocker. Wells is ok but undersized and gets driven back too often, bending but not breaking. OL should be a top priority once more this year.

RB

We need a complete back. Grant can run but cant catch, Jackson can do a bit of everything but nothing special.

J-Mike88
11-15-2010, 08:35 PM
Early Round Mock

Rd 1- Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia

Houston has demonstrated his explosive ability with 17.5 TFL and 10 sacks as a junior this season. He has moved up into late first-round consideration and may move too high for the Packers to get him by April. Would be a dangerous bookend combo with Clay Matthews. For years to come. Jay Cutler and Matt Stafford will have nightmares of these 2 for a decade.
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/699669/gyi0062453886_medium.jpg

Rd 2- Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami

Donald Driver has been an all-timer, but at his age, his body is starting to break down. Enter Leonard. From The U.
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2009/12/30/00/6407722.embedded.prod_affiliate.56.JPG

Rd 3- Green Bay Packers: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado

The Packers need a successor at right tackle for Mark Tauscher if Bulaga really is the future LT after Clifton.
Solder fits with what the Packers look for from its offensive linemen, although he might be a bit too tall.
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/132080906015_E_Wash_v_Colorado-300x226.jpg

umphrey
11-25-2010, 08:14 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/nfl.offspring.in.college/images/Casey-Matthews.jpg

It would be so epic.

J-Mike88
11-26-2010, 07:26 AM
Yes getting Casey Matthews would be awesome.... I wonder how much higher he will be picked now than he otherwise would have... considering that Clay has turned into such a monster.

Sportsfan486
11-26-2010, 01:59 PM
Yes getting Casey Matthews would be awesome.... I wonder how much higher he will be picked now than he otherwise would have... considering that Clay has turned into such a monster.

Indeed.. indeed..

I'd love to see us go OLB in the first, then pick up a corner, a few OLineman, and a return specialist.

We'll probably go something like DT, WR, QB, safety. :p

RyanBraun8
11-29-2010, 12:59 PM
Casey Matthews would be awesome and you figure Hawk will be gone and maybe Bishop (think he will be a FA but not sure) so who knows. It would never hurt to snag a certain 6'6 290 lbs DE also ;) Even though Watt is more of a 4-3 DE he is just fun to watch and has that same Clay Matthews attitude where he just wants to work hard and be great.

But seriously I think we still need to address some major needs

CB)Woodson, Williams are still solid 1 2 punch, Sheilds has been coming on, and then there is a black hole.

OLB) Zombo has played every well and consistant but the depth isn't there. Jones is usually hurt, Chiller is better in the middle, Poppinga is okay at best, and as we have seen as of late, Zombo isn't a huge threat on the opposite side of Clay which always the offense to focus on him. It's not like the Steelers were you can not afford to focus on on just Harrison or just on Woodley because one of the two are going to get after you on any given play. As much as I like Zombo and he will get even better but I don't think he is going to demand the attention needed to take away an extra blocker from Clay.

RB) Our run game is terrible. Grant is prettygood and it has killed us not having him but def could use an upgrade....preferibly an explosive back. Jackson is not special he is just solid all the way around. He isn't going to dominate a game or be a treat to an opposing team he will just do enough to get our run game by.

LT) Still feel Bulaga is a RT and he has played well there, need someone to replace Chad

We also may need to look WR with Driver slowing down, Jones is getting close to FA and Swain is useful but not a big time player. Really that gives us GJ and Jordy assuming James Jones thinks he may get to be more of a feature WR somewhere else.

umphrey
12-04-2010, 12:33 PM
I absolutely love the first round of this draft but it sucks for the Packers. No good OL, too many DE/DT I like that we don't need, two elite corners that will get drafted too high, no good 3-4 OLBs I like for us, etc. Here's some guys I might want:

Anthony Castanzo: Our run blocking is garbage. Him and Bulaga would probably change that, though I don't know who ends up playing where.

Gabe Carimi: Same reasoning, but I'd probably put him at LG. Possibly Carimi at RT and Bulaga at LG or LT.

Mark Ingram: Not my favorite but he's got some speed and since we only have 1 RB (currently on IR) that can take 10+ carries a game he could help, in some way.

Aaron Williams: Train Aaron and when we have to, move Woodson to safety. Let Williams battle Shields for the starter. "Williams blanket" when the "Williams wall" is gone? I'm sure there's a better nickname.

Justin Blackmon: He's awesome and Aaron Rodgers could use a sure handed receiver he can trust.

Who I don't want: Von Miller. I actually like him as a player but he's too much of a one dimensional pass rusher. If we draft him we would either have to turn him into something he isn't or handicap Clay Matthews and Cullen Jenkins.

drowe
12-06-2010, 06:10 PM
I absolutely love the first round of this draft but it sucks for the Packers. No good OL, too many DE/DT I like that we don't need, two elite corners that will get drafted too high, no good 3-4 OLBs I like for us, etc. Here's some guys I might want:

Anthony Castanzo: Our run blocking is garbage. Him and Bulaga would probably change that, though I don't know who ends up playing where.

Gabe Carimi: Same reasoning, but I'd probably put him at LG. Possibly Carimi at RT and Bulaga at LG or LT.

Mark Ingram: Not my favorite but he's got some speed and since we only have 1 RB (currently on IR) that can take 10+ carries a game he could help, in some way.

Aaron Williams: Train Aaron and when we have to, move Woodson to safety. Let Williams battle Shields for the starter. "Williams blanket" when the "Williams wall" is gone? I'm sure there's a better nickname.

Justin Blackmon: He's awesome and Aaron Rodgers could use a sure handed receiver he can trust.

Who I don't want: Von Miller. I actually like him as a player but he's too much of a one dimensional pass rusher. If we draft him we would either have to turn him into something he isn't or handicap Clay Matthews and Cullen Jenkins.

I agree with every word of this post. Especially the Von Miller part. I just can't get excited about the guy.

drowe
12-06-2010, 06:18 PM
Some guys I like

-Akeem Ayers-A rangy athlete like that seems like the perfect compliment to an intense, physical dude like CMIII

-Titus Young-The dude looks as close as you can get to a can't miss prospect in the mid rounds. Watching him play and looking at him on paper reminds me so much of Donald Driver, it's scary.

-Ricky Stanzi, Colin Kaepernick, Nate Enderle, Pat Devlin and most other mid to late round QBs. If the word on the street is true and Matt Flynn really has turned into a hot commodity, maybe we can flip him for a solid draft pick(like the Falcons got for Schaub or the Chargers got for Whitehurst)...but, we'll have to start grooming the next backup. And, I like this year's crop.

-Mark Ingram-An every down RB would be nice. I really like the second - third round group of LeShoure, Murray, James, Verreen too. And I don't see RB as a first round need...but, if he's there and it's makes sense from a value standpoint, wtf.

-Gabe Carimi-homer. but, the more fatasses from the big ten we can fit on the o-line, the better.

-JJ Watt-again, homer. but, I watch the dude play every week....and he's always doin' stuff. This position in the first round would annoy me, because I don't see it as a first round need.....but, again...homer.

bigboiajhawk
12-13-2010, 01:09 PM
After watching all of last season and almost all of this season, OL has to, once again, be our position that we draft early and often. I hate Scott Wells, and Daryn Colledge; they are smart but not physical enough. Bulaga is only 21 years old so I will wait on him for next season, he has great feet but appears to need to add some strength. Not sure what to think of Lang, McDonald, and Newhouse.

I would really like it if we drafted John Moffitt, who in my opinion, was the most dominant run blocker in the country.

If Carimi is there I would totally draft him and make him either LG or RT, and put Bulaga back at LT.

I just hate seeing us getting no push in the run game, and seeing the pocket collapse in the pass game.

Wouldn't mind it if the Packers drafted Lee Ziemba from Auburn. The guy has started like 40 or 50 games for them. He plays tackle, he could be worthy of a 2nd or 3rd round selection.

Sleeper: If he elects to come out for the draft, as he is only a junior, Matt Reynolds of BYU, would appear to be a great Packer.

J-Mike88
12-13-2010, 02:47 PM
After watching all of last season and almost all of this season, OL has to, once again, be our position that we draft early and often. I hate Scott Wells, and Daryn Colledge; they are smart but not physical enough. Bulaga is only 21 years old so I will wait on him for next season, he has great feet but appears to need to add some strength. Not sure what to think of Lang, McDonald, and Newhouse.

I would really like it if we drafted John Moffitt, who in my opinion, was the most dominant run blocker in the country.

If Carimi is there I would totally draft him and make him either LG or RT, and put Bulaga back at LT.

I just hate seeing us getting no push in the run game, and seeing the pocket collapse in the pass game.

Wouldn't mind it if the Packers drafted Lee Ziemba from Auburn. The guy has started like 40 or 50 games for them. He plays tackle, he could be worthy of a 2nd or 3rd round selection.

Sleeper: If he elects to come out for the draft, as he is only a junior, Matt Reynolds of BYU, would appear to be a great Packer.
Is Moffitt white, because with the rare exception of Marshall Newhouse, Ted Thompson only keeps caucasions on his OL. It is what it is. I know it's working in New England, but if it was that easy as rolling out 5, 6, 7, 8 honkeys on the OL, then everyone would do it.

Sorry to be so politically incorrect, but it's becoming more apparent when you see first guy off the bench for Tauscher, is Bulaga. Then it's Spitz. Then it's TJ Lang. Then it's McDonald.... we already lost Barbre, and Moll.... come on now.

I agree, our OL is just way too passive, finesse, weak.
I think the OL coach has to go as well.

How long has it been since we actually had faith on the OL on 3rd & 1 or 4th & 1? I mean we pass half the time on those plays, it's that pathetic. Or we run QB sneaks behind Colledge and Wells, and get Rodgers concussed and fumbling.

umphrey
12-13-2010, 05:10 PM
Yeah we need 3 offensive lineman still. On the plus side we can just draft the best blocker available instead of looking for a specific prototype because the only position we don't need is RG.

cvv84
12-13-2010, 07:14 PM
Nothings going to change until we scrap all of the zone blocking schemes. We tried, we failed, we need to move on from it and get more beef upfront. Colledge and Wells are solid but nothing special, ala guys who can start but you're always looking to upgrade. Sitton is the only guy set in stone for the future and I think they need to find where Bulaga is going to play soon. Is he our LT of the future or are they going to keep him on the right side?

Next up we're getting really thin at CB. Woodson is rapidly declining and Shields is still very raw. I'd love to find another guy at CB so we could keep Shields in the nickle/dime role.

OLB is also a pressing need. Zombo played well though I think he falls into that category of Colledge/Spitz. Jones needs to stay healthy too. Gotta have pass rushers in this system.


Ironically we're right where we were last year. In no particular order: CB, OT, OLB

princefielder28
12-13-2010, 07:59 PM
Some guys who aren't viewed as 1st/2nd round guys that I'd like to add later in the draft at a position of need...

OG

John Moffitt
Will Rackley
Zach Hurd

OT

Lee Ziemba
Jah Reid

OLB

Chris Carter
Kenny Rowe

CB

Davon House
Darrin Walls
Cortez Allen

Granted we'd like to see TT address our needs early but it rarely happens that way...

jackalope
12-13-2010, 10:53 PM
Is Moffitt white, because with the rare exception of Marshall Newhouse, Ted Thompson only keeps caucasions on his OL. It is what it is. I know it's working in New England, but if it was that easy as rolling out 5, 6, 7, 8 honkeys on the OL, then everyone would do it.

Sorry to be so politically incorrect, but it's becoming more apparent when you see first guy off the bench for Tauscher, is Bulaga. Then it's Spitz. Then it's TJ Lang. Then it's McDonald.... we already lost Barbre, and Moll.... come on now.


I can never tell with you whether you're trying to make a joke or if you actually believe this kind of garbage.



Granted we'd like to see TT address our needs early but it rarely happens that way...

Our last three first round picks (Bulaga, Matthews, Raji) have been at the positions of biggest need if you ask me.

GB12
12-13-2010, 11:47 PM
Granted we'd like to see TT address our needs early but it rarely happens that way...

More like always happens that way.

Aaron Rodgers - Not an immediate need, but I think this should definitely still count
AJ Hawk - Our linebackers were terrible
Justin Harrell - I still stand by that we needed a DT, though many disagree
BJ Raji - Needed a NT for the 3-4 switch
Clay Matthews - Needed an OLB for the 3-4 switch
Bryan Bulaga - Our offensive line was terrible in '09

His first round picks have never been surprising. If you want to include Jordy Nelson, as he was our first pick that year, I'll give you that one. People always say that Thompson goes straight BPA, but he's gone for need with every one of his first round picks. The second and third rounds are where he goes more for value.

PACKmanN
12-14-2010, 02:56 AM
More like always happens that way.

Aaron Rodgers - Not an immediate need, but I think this should definitely still count
AJ Hawk - Our linebackers were terrible
Justin Harrell - I still stand by that we needed a DT, though many disagree
BJ Raji - Needed a NT for the 3-4 switch
Clay Matthews - Needed an OLB for the 3-4 switch
Bryan Bulaga - Our offensive line was terrible in '09

His first round picks have never been surprising. If you want to include Jordy Nelson, as he was our first pick that year, I'll give you that one. People always say that Thompson goes straight BPA, but he's gone for need with every one of his first round picks. The second and third rounds are where he goes more for value.

other for Harrell, every one of those players were the BPA at the time we picked, so really it's evened out

J-Mike88
12-14-2010, 08:29 AM
I can never tell with you whether you're trying to make a joke or if you actually believe this....
I do believe what I see... but I admit I don't know Moffitt or if he fits in.
I'm way out of tune with the draft prospects for 2011 and I don't want to spend so much time getting into them this time.

cvv84
12-14-2010, 04:12 PM
Is Moffitt white, because with the rare exception of Marshall Newhouse, Ted Thompson only keeps caucasions on his OL.

Junius Coston, William Whittacker, and Jamon Meredith. Combined with Newhouse thats 4 out 12 offensive lineman drafted.

GB12
12-14-2010, 04:14 PM
Wait, you think Thompson is an offensive line racist?

bigboiajhawk
12-14-2010, 09:28 PM
How would you guys feel if TT drafted Herzlich out of BC? Something tells me that Herzlich will be drafted by either us, the Giants, the Patriots, or maybe the Ravens. I think he could be a nice complement to Matthews, and if we draft him in the 3rd round, he could be a very nice value pick. Although I bet a team like the Patriots with all of those early picks will draft him in the 2nd round.

RyanBraun8
12-18-2010, 04:46 PM
TT must be a raciest.....All D-Line are black, all DB's are black, All QB's are white, all most all O-line is white and not counting Kuhn all HB's are black....no way it just worked out like that right? Must be a raciest (roll of the eyes)

Moffitt is white, which doesn't matter what so ever. He is athletic for size and like Spitz can play both Center and OG very well.

Herzlich is a great story and come draft time I'm guessin his story will be all over draft coverage and ESPN. He was incredible before the cancer and surprisingly looked very good for all that he has went through. Only thing is I see him fitting better as an IB in the 3-4. (Personal Opinion) So if they look to upgrade at IB i'd like to see him or Casey Matthews get a look guessing both could top out in 2nd round but more like 3-4th round as of right now

PACKmanN
12-20-2010, 12:50 AM
My Dream Offseason

FA

Davin Joseph - OG
Ben Leber - OLB/ Jacob Ford - OLB

DRAFT

1. Aaron Williams - CB - Texas(if he's 6'+)
2. Kristofer ODowd - OC- USC
2(trade 3rd+4th). Noel Devine - RB - West Virgina
4(b). Joseph Barksdale - OT - LSU
5. Kyle Hix - OG - Texas
6. Quinton Carter S - Oklahoma
7(a). Adrian Moten - ILB - Maryland
7(b). Andy Dalton - QB - TCU

DEPTH CHART

QB- Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Andy Dalton*
RB- Ryan Grant, Noel Devine*, Brandon Jackson, James Starks
FB- Quinn Johnson, John Kuhn
WR- Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Brett Swain
TE- JerMichael Finely, Donald Lee, Andrew Quarless
LT- Chad Clifton, Joseph Barksdale*
LG- Josh Sitton, Michael Newhouse
C- Kristofer ODowd *
RG- Davin Joesph*, Kyle Hix*
RT- Bryan Bugala, TJ Lang

DE: Cullen Jenkins, CJ Wilson
NT: Ryan Pickett, BJ Raji
DE: Johnny Jolly, Mike Neal
OLB: Clay Matthews, Frank Zombo
ILB: Nick Barnett, Adrian Morton*
ILB: Brandon Chillar, Desmond Bishop
OLB: Ben Leber/Jacob Ford, Brad Jones, Brady Poppinga
CB: Tramon Williams, Sam Shields
S: Nick Collins, Quinton Carter*
S: Morgan Burnett, Charlie Peprah
CB: Charles Woodson, Aaron Williams*, Brandon Underwood

K: Mason Corsby
P: Tim Masthay
S: Brett Goode

KR: Noel Devine, Sam Shields
PR: Noel Devine

PACKmanN
12-20-2010, 01:22 AM
oh and i would mind if they settled for Richie Incognito either. Bring his fire to the oline and looks like he's finally smarted up.

BloodBrother
12-20-2010, 05:17 AM
They need to re-sign guys like Des Bishop and especially Jenkins. I'm worried that they won't bring Jenkins back, though. I really hope they bring Jolly back to, he was emerging as a 3-4 DE force in 2009. I'd hope they give him another shot

J-Mike88
12-20-2010, 10:41 AM
I want 100% of our off-season focus to be on SPECIAL TEAMS, starting with the ST coach. He needs to go.
Every other facet of our team has done well to good to great.

Then I want to draft 3 guys who have a great track record of being dangerous kick and/or punt returners.

We need to add some spark to that unit.

We need a guy back there like a Brandon Tate where teams elect to squib the ball to.

umphrey
12-23-2010, 10:25 AM
I completely support trading Matt Flynn if there is a market for him. If Charlie Whitehurst can get a 3rd round pick I don't see why Flynn shouldn't get a 2nd. I doubt we can find a team as dumb as Seattle was though.

J-Mike88
12-23-2010, 11:48 AM
I completely support trading Matt Flynn if there is a market for him. If Charlie Whitehurst can get a 3rd round pick I don't see why Flynn shouldn't get a 2nd. I doubt we can find a team as dumb as Seattle was though.
LOL- well, maybe Seattle again? Hasselbeck is terrible now.
Maybe we can get Leon Washington and a 3rd round pick.
Leon would give us our best return specialist since Desmond Howard, and special teams is what sucks the worst on this team of course.

I don't mind keeping Flynn either though knowing he's good enough to go in now and save games. The Detroit mess sucked, but he was rusty and hadn't done it before. Now he has (played well).

RyanBraun8
12-26-2010, 11:21 AM
I want 100% of our off-season focus to be on SPECIAL TEAMS, starting with the ST coach. He needs to go.
Every other facet of our team has done well to good to great.

Then I want to draft 3 guys who have a great track record of being dangerous kick and/or punt returners.

We need to add some spark to that unit.

We need a guy back there like a Brandon Tate where teams elect to squib the ball to.

At some point the Packers just need to stick it out with a Special Teams coach, they only get a new one almost every year or two. Packers have gone through 4 or 5 in the last 10 years (Stock, Novak, Bonamego, Slocum, and maybe someone else) Nothing improves when you change coaches constintly. Slocum has done better than Stock I think

umphrey
12-26-2010, 11:41 AM
I thought our special teams did pretty well this year. If you look at the Patriots OG return, yeah that was awful, but every team has a bad play here or there. The Devin Hester TD sucked too but our offense put us in a terrible situation. I'd say our ST is a far cry from how terrible they were last year and although not good it's not time to break out the torches and pitchforks yet. We really, really need to draft a return man and use him as our #5 receiver though. (David Gilreath!!!!!!)

J-Mike88
12-30-2010, 07:36 AM
My 2011 Packers Mock, V1.0

Free agent signings:
-None

Draft:

1- VON MILLER, OLB, Texas A&M, 6-3, 243
http://nbccollegefootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/von-miller.jpg

Yu7wh1VNnEo
I have seen some analysts, and mocks here at SWDC that have him available when we pick. I'd be willing to trade up to get this guy if we had to.

As some others have written on the youtube comment board, he plus Matthews would equal devastation for opposing QBs of the Packers. Zombo has done a decent job. Poppinga is on the way out, Brad Jones can't stay healthy. Vin is relentless, has a similar motor to that of Matthews. He could use some work in his coverage, but they said the same thing about Clay coming out. Von actually has more fluid hips than Matthews does. Miller-Time is the real deal.

2-DARIUS MORRIS, OT, Temple
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tem/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/2868668.jpeg
I know he doesn't fit the typical profile of our Offensive Line, but there are exceptions.
"Morris might be this year's Rodger Saffold. He's a versatile linemen with good strength, competitiveness, and a nice overall skill set. We like his ability to play both guard positions and right tackle in the league."
Saffold has been great for the Rams this year as a rookie. If Morris is anything like Saffold, he'd be a great pick for us here and a nice match with Bulaga for years ahead. Which guy plays Left tackle? TT & MM keep insisting Bulaga will.

3-DAVON HOUSE, CB, New Mexico St
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/499031/wmuzyidtgpenigw.20080227212953.jpg

4-ARMON BINNS, WR, Cincinnati
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Armon Binns #80 of the Cincinnati Bearcats catches a touchdown pass over Joe Haden #5 of the Florida Gators during the Allstate Sugar Bowl at the Louisana Superdome on January 1, 2010

5-JAMES BREWER, OT, Indiana, 6-8, 331
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TJ Lang seems like he's going to take over for Colledge at LG, and last year's rookie OT/OG Newhouse still hasn't shown he can be a starting OT in the NFL.
While I like Morris a lot, Brewer has a chance to be a bookend OT in the NFL with some work. Reminds me of a Sebastian Vollmer while at the U of Houston. Tall, seemingly stiff, but pass protects well. Remember, Bulaga is capable of becoming a Pro Bowl, mauling guard. If Brewer and Morris were to both magically turn out like a Saffold and both become solid OTs, you could make Bulaga and Sitton the 2 guards.

6-DA'REL SCOTT, RB, Maryland
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Just had 200 yards on 13 carries this week in the Military Bowl win over ECU.
Only had 508 yards on the regular season, including -10 on 4 carries in his final home game.

7-TEJAY JOHNSON, S, TCU
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bigboiajhawk
12-30-2010, 02:30 PM
Nice mock J-Mike.

I personally like Von Miller, I know some on here do not. But I watched the Texas A&M - Nebraska game and he was a major reason for the Aggies win. He is very disruptive...My only concern about him is his weight and ability to set the edge in the run game. I do like that he has played standing up so there will be a pretty easy transition to the NFL.

If Ryan Kerrigan is there would you take him or Miller?

-If it were me I would take Kerrigan.

J-Mike88
12-30-2010, 07:39 PM
Nice mock J-Mike.

I personally like Von Miller, I know some on here do not. But I watched the Texas A&M - Nebraska game and he was a major reason for the Aggies win. He is very disruptive...My only concern about him is his weight and ability to set the edge in the run game. I do like that he has played standing up so there will be a pretty easy transition to the NFL.

If Ryan Kerrigan is there would you take him or Miller?

-If it were me I would take Kerrigan.
Thanks.

That's a good question... people seem to love Kerrigan. I have to see how fluid he is when he's asked to do those types of things at the combine, or the East-West shrine game, Senior Bowl, etc.

He definitely doesn't appear to have the fluidity that a Matthews does. But he's bigger.... if he can be the bull rusher off the edge that 34 OLB Merriman was before his steroids wore off, or like Lamar Woodley is, I'd take him.

But I believe Von Miller has the ability to cause chaos if teams continue to double team Matthews on 50% of snaps.

I'm still studying up on Akeem Ayers outta UCLA, and have heard some good things from the dude at Pitt.
Georgia has an OLB some people love. But Scott's not that high on him. Still, Scott, like all scouts, is wrong plenty of times on guys.

EvilMonkey
12-30-2010, 07:58 PM
my draft wishes:

-anyone who can make the offensive line more physical
-another pass rusher outside of Clay
-mid to late round QB to try and develop ala Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brooks, Flynn, etc.

umphrey
12-30-2010, 11:54 PM
Kerrigan is one of my top prospects but he needs his hand in the ground. He'll go to a 4-3 team. We don't need a great pass rusher anyway. We need someone who can read the offense and flow to the ball well with good instincts. Mostly we need Brad Jones to not get hurt, but since he probably will, we need a better backup who is about a 3-5 round pick.

By the way, Kerrigan is listed at 6'4", 263. Coming out of college you'd have to assume he'd bulk up to the 270-275 range minimum, especially with his frame. That would be close to or maybe the biggest OLB in the league. He isn't athletic enough to pull it off, even at 260.

J-Mike88
12-31-2010, 06:01 PM
Here's what Kiper says about us, and for the record, I strongly disagree with the RB in the first round.

Green Bay Packers

Top needs: OLB, T, RB

Pick strategy: Maybe the first team that could pull the trigger on the top RB on the board. The Packers could also consider a tackle, perhaps moving Bryan Bulaga along the line in the process.
They could also use an OLB opposite Clay Matthews, a player who could thrive as a rusher given the blocking attention Matthews will continue to get.

All thinks considered, and I felt the same way last draft, I want a beast OLB as our impact guy in the first round. OLB's can come in and have an immediate impact, as we saw with Matthews.

This year, I wanted Jerry Hughes so badly and thought he could be a great 34 OLB a la a rookie Shawne Merriman. But we have needed Bulaga.

J-Mike88
12-31-2010, 06:07 PM
my draft wishes:

-anyone who can make the offensive line more physical
-another pass rusher outside of Clay
-mid to late round QB to try and develop ala Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brooks, Flynn, etc.
They think they have a good guy like that already in Graham Harrell, FWIW.
But if they like a guy in round 6 or 7 that they have a high grade on, they probably will take him.

cvv84
01-01-2011, 05:19 PM
Here's what Kiper says about us, and for the record, I strongly disagree with the RB in the first round.

Green Bay Packers

Top needs: OLB, T, RB

Pick strategy: Maybe the first team that could pull the trigger on the top RB on the board. The Packers could also consider a tackle, perhaps moving Bryan Bulaga along the line in the process.
They could also use an OLB opposite Clay Matthews, a player who could thrive as a rusher given the blocking attention Matthews will continue to get.

All thinks considered, and I felt the same way last draft, I want a beast OLB as our impact guy in the first round. OLB's can come in and have an immediate impact, as we saw with Matthews.

This year, I wanted Jerry Hughes so badly and thought he could be a great 34 OLB a la a rookie Shawne Merriman. But we have needed Bulaga.

I can understand what he's saying with RB but most teams in the NFL will struggle on the ground with losing their starting RB. I still feel that if we ran a power scheme we'd at the very least have a managable run game. Bulaga and Sitton are good building blocks but we're going to need another tackle and a LG ASAP.

Another pass rusher opposite Matthews would be great but really, how many 3-4 teams have another stud rusher opposite each other? I can't think of any. The only one that comes close is with DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer. Even with that Spencer only has 3 sacks this season and his career high for a season is 6. Hell Zombo has 4 this season in limited action and Brad Jones had 4 last year in limited action as well.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, our needs are exactally the same as last season. OT, CB, and OLB. Take the BPA out of those 3 positions and hopefully fill in the rest later in the draft.

J-Mike88
01-02-2011, 07:19 AM
I've said this before and I'll say it again, our needs are exactally the same as last season. OT, CB, and OLB. Take the BPA out of those 3 positions and hopefully fill in the rest later in the draft.
I'm on board with that.... we also, finally, need to address the return specialist position. Whether he's a 5th WR or 4th RB, or just a Josh Cribbs or Devin Hester for 3 years.
I know TT tried that with Cory Rodgers a few years ago, out of TCU, but special teams coach D*ck Stock untaught him how to field punts and messed with his head.
The guy was electric as hell though in college when he was catching them cleanly.
We need to find another guy like that and make sure we don't mess him up with how he catches the ball.

I actually wanted Joe Webb last year as the Josh Cribbs type.

cvv84
01-02-2011, 08:10 AM
I was thinking a little about this last night:

Nick Barnett vs. A.J. Hawk vs. Desmond Bishop


We can only keep 2 of the 3 so ILB could be another area of need come April. Really at this point I'd like to see Hawk and Bishop get an extentions and cut Barnett. Barnett's only played in 29 of 48 games the past 3 years so that durability is starting to come into question. Hawk, while not flashy, is a solid and dependable player and Bishop is coming into his own as a starter.

My needs list in order:

1) CB
2) OT
3) OLB
4) OG
5) WR
6) ILB
7) RB

GB12
01-05-2011, 10:44 PM
Let Walk:

Brandon Jackson
Korey Hall
Daryn Colledge
Jason Spitz
Atari Bigby

Cut:

Mark Tauscher
Donald Lee
Brady Poppinga
Jarrett Bush
Spencer Havner
James Starks
Dimitri Nance
Derrick Martin
Graham Harrell
Brandon Underwood
Nick McDonald
Robert Francois
Diyral Briggs
Matt Wilhelm
Evan Dietrich-Smith
Josh Gordy
Josh Bell

Re-Sign:

Cullen Jenkins
James Jones
Mason Crosby
John Kuhn
Charlie Peprah

Free Agency:

Carl Nicks - 6 year deal
Champ Bailey - 2 year deal
Darren Sproles - 3 year deal

Draft:

1. Justin Houston - OLB - Georgia
2. Mikel Leshoure - RB - Illinois
3. Curtis Brown - CB - Texas
4. Clint Boling - OT - Georgia
5. Detron Lewis - WR - Texas Tech
6. Zane Taylor - C - Utah
7. Chris L. Rucker - CB - Michigan State

QB: Aaron Rodgers - Matt Flynn
RB: Ryan Grant - Darren Sproles - Mikel Leshoure
FB: John Kuhn - Quinn Johnson
WR: Greg Jennings - Donald Driver - James Jones - Jordy Nelson - Brett Swain
TE: Jermichael Finley - Andrew Quarless - Tom Crabtree
LT: Chad Clifton - TJ Lang
LG: Carl Nicks
C: Scott Wells - Zane Taylor
RG: Josh Sitton - Marshall Newhouse
RT: Bryan Bulaga - Clint Boling

DE: Cullen Jenkins - Mike Neal - CJ Wilson
NT: BJ Raji - Howard Green
DE: Ryan Pickett - Johnny Jolly
OLB: Justin Houston - Brad Jones
ILB: Nick Barnett - Brandon Chillar
ILB: Desmond Bishop - AJ Hawk
OLB: Clay Matthews - Erik Walden - Frank Zombo
CB: Trammon Williams - Sam Shields - Pat Lee
FS: Nick Collins - Charlie Peprah
SS: Charles Woodson - Morgan Burnett - Anthony Smith
CB: Champ Bailey - Curtis Brown

K: Mason Crosby
P: Tim Masthay
LS: Brett Goode
(KR/PR: Darren Sproles)


Nickel Defense
----------Collins---------Burnett
Williams.------------------------Woodson-------Bailey
-----Chillar----Barnett-----Matthews
------Jenkins----Raji---Neal

J-Mike88
01-05-2011, 11:05 PM
Free Agency:

Carl Nicks - 6 year deal
Champ Bailey - 2 year deal
Darren Sproles - 3 year deal
Come on now.
back to reality here..... This is the Green Bay Packers right, Ted Thompson still here?

They will not cut James Starks unless he totally F's up the game in Philly. They like him, a lot. They think he's going to be better than Ryan Grant is, starting in 2011 or 2012.

GB12
01-06-2011, 12:16 AM
I was kind of just combining two ideas with Champ Bailey. He's probably going to leave Denver for a winner, but yeah, probably not here. However, I do really like the idea of getting another corner and moving Woodson to SS, while being our nickelback as well. Not necessarily next year either though.

The other two aren't far fetched though. We need a Darren Sproles type back. Why not get Darren Sproles. I think teams have given up on the idea that he can be a starter so his price will have come down. Getting Sproles would allow us to let Jackson go and we wouldn't have to worry about a back in the draft unless we wanted to. And yeah, I really like Starks too, but in that situation he was the odd man out.

As for Nicks, we need a starting guard. Both Colledge and Spitz are free agents, and we're not going to go into the season with TJ Lang and rookies. At least I hope not. That means we're going to have to either get a free agent or re-sign Colledge. Colledge isn't going to come cheap. He's going to get at least $4 million a year, maybe closer to 5. Nicks could probably get something comparable to Jahri Evans' 7 year $56.7 million, which is a lot more than Colledge, but I'd rather pay top dollar for a top guard than sign Colledge for 5 years $23 million. Maybe go one step down from Nicks and get Davin Joseph, who fits our scheme better anyway.

Wishful thinking? Yes, but it makes a lot of sense.

cvv84
01-06-2011, 04:59 PM
I'd rather sign Richard Marshall. Young, durable, and somewhat physical (averaged 84.5 tackles a season during his 5 year career.

No to Sproles too. I'd rather see Michael Bush or DeAngelo Williams.

umphrey
01-06-2011, 06:36 PM
Michael Bush wouldn't bring anything to the table Kuhn doesn't already and DeAngelo is going to get a pretty big pay day. I would draft a RB because I like young, fresh legs, but without having a name to bring to the discussion I would be happy with Sproles assuming he gets paid like a #2.

DrunkenLament
01-06-2011, 07:05 PM
Michael Bush wouldn't bring anything to the table Kuhn doesn't already and DeAngelo is going to get a pretty big pay day. I would draft a RB because I like young, fresh legs, but without having a name to bring to the discussion I would be happy with Sproles assuming he gets paid like a #2.

While Bush and Kuhn have the same running styles, Bush is definitely a work horse. You have to remember Bush was considered the clear cut starter in Oakland before he broke his thumb. The Packers would be very wise to go after Bush, he might not bring anything different than Kuhn but hes someone who can force teams to respect your running game.

umphrey
01-06-2011, 08:14 PM
Grant is our work horse and that isn't going to change next year. We don't need a big back. We need a backup that can catch screen passes and block. If he can return kicks, that's a big bonus.

GB12
01-07-2011, 10:33 PM
I never like Von Miller much, but after watching him closely in the Cotton Bowl I want nothing to do with him. He's a decent to good pass rusher, but he offers nothing in coverage and gets destroyed against the run. I'd rather have Jones/Walden/Zombo than him.

bigboiajhawk
01-08-2011, 06:17 AM
I never like Von Miller much, but after watching him closely in the Cotton Bowl I want nothing to do with him. He's a decent to good pass rusher, but he offers nothing in coverage and gets destroyed against the run. I'd rather have Jones/Walden/Zombo than him.

You cant base anything about him on one game that you watched. I watched the same game and yeah he didn't play all that well. You have to take his whole body of work. I agree about his run defense, however, I think if he were to gain about 5-10 pounds he would be able to hold up much better. Your statement about him offering nothing in coverage is ridiculous. He has 1 INT, 6 pass break ups, and 7 passes defended this year.

For comparison, a guy that a lot of us like, Justin Houston, only had 2 pass break ups on the year. So if Miller offers nothing in coverage, I would hate to imagine what Houston can do.

I also watched Miller in the Nebraska game this year, and he consistently brought pressure and was a big reason as to why the Aggies defense won that game.


My Favorite 3-4 OLB prospects

1) Justin Houston
2) Ryan Kerrigan
3) Von Miller
4) Aldon Smith
5) Mark Herzlich

GB12
01-08-2011, 02:13 PM
You cant base anything about him on one game that you watched. I watched the same game and yeah he didn't play all that well. You have to take his whole body of work. I agree about his run defense, however, I think if he were to gain about 5-10 pounds he would be able to hold up much better. It wasn't based on the one game. That game just confirmed everything I thought from what I've seen previously.

Your statement about him offering nothing in coverage is ridiculous. He has 1 INT, 6 pass break ups, and 7 passes defended this year.

For comparison, a guy that a lot of us like, Justin Houston, only had 2 pass break ups on the year. So if Miller offers nothing in coverage, I would hate to imagine what Houston can do.Yeah, because passes defended and interceptions are are great measure of coverage ability. Also funny that you would mention Miller's interception, but not Houston's.

bigboiajhawk
01-11-2011, 04:56 PM
With James Starks I don't think that TT will draft RB early. Too bad because the beast Mikel Leshoure is entering the draft and he could really flourish in the NFL. I still think OL has to be the point of emphasis. Wouldn't mind seeing Stefan Wisniewski, Gabe Carimi, or John Moffitt in a Packers uniform. Also, Lee Ziemba could be a dominant run blocking RT. Keep ARod clean. However, what if TT does not resign James Jones? WR round 1, there could be some good options.

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 01:34 AM
i would argue that (after walden showed up) kick/punt returne.r is far and away our #1 draft need. granted i think OLB opposite matthews is still a big void, but i think the return game has been lacking BIG TIME, and better field position time in and time out would take this team to the next level.

Needs:

1.KR/PR (jerrel jernigan PLEASE)
2.OLB
3.LG (replace colledge finally)
4.WR
5.OT
6.DE
7.SS
8.QB (flynn possibly traded?)

PACKmanN
01-12-2011, 08:21 AM
Come on now.
back to reality here..... This is the Green Bay Packers right, Ted Thompson still here?

They will not cut James Starks unless he totally F's up the game in Philly. They like him, a lot. They think he's going to be better than Ryan Grant is, starting in 2011 or 2012.

Ted has shown to target the best free agents at positions of need and target/sign multiple free agents in a offseason, but for him to throw that much money in one offseason is not "Ted like"

cvv84
01-12-2011, 04:02 PM
i would argue that (after walden showed up) kick/punt returne.r is far and away our #1 draft need. granted i think OLB opposite matthews is still a big void, but i think the return game has been lacking BIG TIME, and better field position time in and time out would take this team to the next level.

Needs:

1.KR/PR (jerrel jernigan PLEASE)
2.OLB
3.LG (replace colledge finally)
4.WR
5.OT
6.DE
7.SS
8.QB (flynn possibly traded?)

Ugh, is that really what you think is holding us back? I mean it would be nice to even have a descent return man but to list that as our number 1 need?

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 06:13 PM
Ugh, is that really what you think is holding us back? I mean it would be nice to even have a descent return man but to list that as our number 1 need?
well our only other obvious needs are OLB and OT. walden has played impressively, and while it is still a pressing need, its not as urgent as it once was. OT is another big one, but with cliftons resurgence this year, that another that isnt so urgent. Colledge could also use replacing, but hes decent enough in pass protection.

The reason i think WR/KR/PR is such a huge need is because of the fact that a steady return man increases offensive production exponentially. winning the field position battle is a MAJOR part of the game, and a top flight returner is a cheap way to increase offensive output.

I would argue that Jernigan is the #1 candidate for us in the late 1st because:

1. adds the element of speed to the offense that we dont currently have at all
2. is a perfect replacement for driver at the slot, and probably a huge upgrade.
3. from scott wrights scouting report, has top intangibles, and we know how much ted likes that
4. would be a top returner for years, and would improve this team at so many different levels

i cant think of a position to draft that would have the same effect that a quality WR/KR/PR would. feel free to add input if you think im off here

cvv84
01-12-2011, 06:55 PM
i cant think of a position to draft that would have the same effect that a quality WR/KR/PR would. feel free to add input if you think im off here

I've already put in my input earlier in this thread. CB, OT, and OLB in any order.

GB12
01-12-2011, 07:07 PM
Top 10 Kick Returners in 2010:

Brad Smith - 4th
Eric Weems - Undrafted
LaRod Stephens-Howling - 7th
Stefan Logan - Undrafted
Brandon Tate - 3rd
Michhael Spurlock - Undrafted
Leon Washington - 4th
Marc Mariani - Undrafted
Brandon Banks - Undrafted
Deji Karim - 6th

Not a single player taken higher than the 3rd round and half of them were undrafted.

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 07:07 PM
I've already put in my input earlier in this thread. CB, OT, and OLB in any order.
why CB? we have 3 VERY solid players there, but i guess we could use a dime DB... but a top 3 need? wow

princefielder28
01-12-2011, 07:09 PM
why CB? we have 3 VERY solid players there, but i guess we could use a dime DB... but a top 3 need? wow

Woodson is on the back end of his career though and given the way the game has transformed into a passing league, the importance of solid players across the board in the secondary has never been higher...

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 07:15 PM
Woodson is on the back end of his career though and given the way the game has transformed into a passing league, the importance of solid players across the board in the secondary has never been higher...

sure but he is still a GREAT player, not to mention hes not even our top cover corner anymore. and shields to boot? i just dont understand the clamor for another DB. i cant argue their importance however, you can never have too many quality dbs.

princefielder28
01-12-2011, 07:21 PM
I'd love to add a top tier corner, like Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith, but if it comes to us addressing the position later in the draft, i'd like to see Richmond's Justin Rogers targeted...he's been great while being a spider and offers tons of upside on special teams

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 07:27 PM
I'd love to add a top tier corner, like Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith, but if it comes to us addressing the position later in the draft, i'd like to see Richmond's Justin Rogers targeted...he's been great while being a spider and offers tons of upside on special teams

gimme a db that can be a top flight returner and im a happy man.

GB12
01-12-2011, 07:29 PM
gimme a db that can be a top flight returner and im a happy man.
You know it doesn't have to be the same player. You can get a good returner in the 4th round or later.

RyanBraun8
01-12-2011, 07:30 PM
You need more than 3 capable corners. If Woodson or Williams got injured we'd be screwed and back to Bush playing 60-70% of the snaps. Lee and Underwood both did not move forward at all this season and we need help. Shields has tons of potential, Williams is a #1 CB in my opinion and Woodson is getting old but still an elite playmaker but after them we have......crap. CB is a need OLB is a need, OL (C, OG, or OT to add depth but it all depends where they decide to stick Lang RT or LG).

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 07:33 PM
brandon boykin maybe?

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 07:37 PM
You need more than 3 capable corners. If Woodson or Williams got injured we'd be screwed and back to Bush playing 60-70% of the snaps. Lee and Underwood both did not move forward at all this season and we need help. Shields has tons of potential, Williams is a #1 CB in my opinion and Woodson is getting old but still an elite playmaker but after them we have......crap. CB is a need OLB is a need, OL (C, OG, or OT to add depth but it all depends where they decide to stick Lang RT or LG).

i wholeheartedly agree that bush and underwood are complete chumps, but is CB4 really a top need? id love to see it adressed later in the draft, but WR/KR/PR, OLB, MLB, OT i think are far more important to address earlier rather than later. ted has proven that he can find capable dbs later in the draft or even as undrafted FA's

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 07:42 PM
Top 10 Kick Returners in 2010:

Brad Smith - 4th
Eric Weems - Undrafted
LaRod Stephens-Howling - 7th
Stefan Logan - Undrafted
Brandon Tate - 3rd
Michhael Spurlock - Undrafted
Leon Washington - 4th
Marc Mariani - Undrafted
Brandon Banks - Undrafted
Deji Karim - 6th

Not a single player taken higher than the 3rd round and half of them were undrafted.

point taken and i agree. the only way id want to take a returner earlier than the 3rd is if he can step in and contribute as a replacement to driver (jernigan), as a 3rd/4th CB, or as a quality scat back to go with starks/grant. versatility is key.

regardless of where we take one, we NEED a returner.

GB12
01-12-2011, 07:52 PM
i wholeheartedly agree that bush and underwood are complete chumps, but is CB4 really a top need? id love to see it adressed later in the draft, but WR/KR/PR, OLB, MLB, OT i think are far more important to address earlier rather than later. ted has proven that he can find capable dbs later in the draft or even as undrafted FA's
MLB? I'm hoping that was a mistake.


And actually, CB is the one position that Thompson hasn't had success drafting. He's found Williams and Shields as UDFAs, which is incredible, but every corner he's drafted has been a bust.



With our first round pick I want an OLB, OT, or CB. Best available player out of those three positions.

nlgb1
01-12-2011, 08:10 PM
our MLBs may be deep, but they are very average

J-Mike88
01-12-2011, 09:55 PM
Top 10 Kick Returners in 2010:

Brad Smith - 4th
Eric Weems - Undrafted
LaRod Stephens-Howling - 7th
Stefan Logan - Undrafted
Brandon Tate - 3rd
Michhael Spurlock - Undrafted
Leon Washington - 4th
Marc Mariani - Undrafted
Brandon Banks - Undrafted
Deji Karim - 6th

Not a single player taken higher than the 3rd round and half of them were undrafted.And that doesn't even mention Josh Cribbs, who was not a high draft pick.

Who the hell is Mark Mariani and why is he on a list like this and not Josh Cribbs? LOL

GB12
01-12-2011, 10:01 PM
Mariani is the AFC pro bowl returner.

And it's a list 1-10 of kick return average in 2010. Cribbs really didn't have a good year returning this season.

cvv84
01-13-2011, 05:34 PM
And that doesn't even mention Josh Cribbs, who was not a high draft pick.

Cribbs wasn't even a drafted and he was a QB at Kent State. Funny seeing Brad Smith was also a college QB.

PACKmanN
01-13-2011, 06:21 PM
KR don't need to be fast, at all. We need to find one who's quick and can find that open seem and hit the hole, similar to a one-cut back.

J-Mike88
01-13-2011, 09:12 PM
Cribbs wasn't even a drafted and he was a QB at Kent State. Funny seeing Brad Smith was also a college QB.
Yeah I remember reading some scout's take on (the now Viking) Joe Webb, and they compared him to Cribbs.... both in terms of size and running ability, and background as college QB, a la Brad Smith (and Reggie McNeal from TX A&M a few years ago).

That's the type of KR I want.

J-Mike88
01-13-2011, 09:13 PM
What do you guys think of Anthony Spencer as a possible Packer OLB next year?
Would he be an upgrade over Zombo, BJones, Walden?

Down here in Big D, they want to make a lot of changes, and he's a guy that they feel really underperformed this year and there's some discussion of parting ways. Same with Mike Jenkins the CB. I want no part of him. But Spencer would interest me.

GB12
01-13-2011, 09:18 PM
Spencer is still under contract next year for just $1 million. No way they cut him.

TimmG6376
01-14-2011, 10:00 AM
I know it's a pipe dream but picture Tramon on one side, Asomugha on the other, and Woodson at safety/slot. Unfortunately, even if Thompson was tempted to stray from his conservative FA philosophy, the market for his services will be sky high. And there is probably already too much $$ committed to the secondary with Woodson, Tramon, and Collins, to take a real shot at him.

cvv84
01-14-2011, 05:20 PM
Honestly, I don't think Spencer would be much, if any, of an upgrade to the guys we already have. If Zombo stayed healthy he should have at least matched Spencer's production and he's a rookie making the transition to LB.

Don't get me wrong we could use an upgrade at the position but Spencer had 3 years starting with DeMarcus Ware opposite him and produced 12.5 sacks. In 2 years with a combination of Kampman, Jones, Zombo, and Walden we've totaled 13.5 sacks opposite Matthews.

I know it's a pipe dream but picture Tramon on one side, Asomugha on the other, and Woodson at safety/slot. Unfortunately, even if Thompson was tempted to stray from his conservative FA philosophy, the market for his services will be sky high. And there is probably already too much $$ committed to the secondary with Woodson, Tramon, and Collins, to take a real shot at him.

I wouldn't mind him but I'd like to see a guy like Richard Marshall instead. He can do it all and he's only 26 years old. Having him and Trammon together would lock up the position for years to come IMO.

hoekd0250
01-15-2011, 02:20 PM
i think we need to give some credit to mccarthy and thompson on how well put together this team is. Three years ago this team was aged and had several key wholes and over the past three years we have formed into a playoff team that can afford to take picks in the first three rounds that arent needs and let them sit back and learn so that when the players we have start to lose a step they are ready to pick up the slack left behind which is wat the pats steelers and colts are constantly able to do every year and helps them remain on the top

wordofi
01-16-2011, 10:20 PM
If we were to draft Carimi, would we switich to a man blocking scheme?

Zycho32
01-16-2011, 11:19 PM
If we were to draft Carimi, would we switich to a man blocking scheme?

I doubt TT will take Carimi. I also seriously doubt he'll EVER switch from the ZBS. He's got a real unique sort of stubborn- a few concepts here and there that he will NEVER EVER shift from short of a glaring catastrophe that he can't explain away.

Speaking of which, did he REALLY once make a 'Guards are Interchangeable' comment during his first year on the job?

bigboiajhawk
01-16-2011, 11:45 PM
I doubt TT will take Carimi. I also seriously doubt he'll EVER switch from the ZBS. He's got a real unique sort of stubborn- a few concepts here and there that he will NEVER EVER shift from short of a glaring catastrophe that he can't explain away.

Speaking of which, did he REALLY once make a 'Guards are Interchangeable' comment during his first year on the job?

This deserves a "common man". You really think TT selects what style of running scheme the Packers run. That job belongs to MM and his crew.

Zycho32
01-17-2011, 06:22 AM
Well, he DOES select the personnel to begin with, does he not?

jackalope
01-17-2011, 11:11 AM
Well, he DOES select the personnel to begin with, does he not?

Ted hired McCarthy, McCarthy chooses his assistants and what schemes they'll run.

GB12
01-17-2011, 02:00 PM
Well, he DOES select the personnel to begin with, does he not?

He doesn't just select any players he wants and make McCarthy adapt to them. He drafts the best players for what McCarthy wants to run. When he started he was drafting 4-3 players because that's the defense McCarthy was using. McCarthy switches to a 3-4 and Thompson drafts 3-4 players. It's no different on offense. Thompson is drafting ZBS lineman because that's the scheme McCarthy wants to run. If McCarthy wants to switch to a power blocking line he can, but that's his choice to make, not Thompson's.

RyanBraun8
01-17-2011, 02:11 PM
If we were to draft Carimi, would we switich to a man blocking scheme?

I don't think you would need to switch. Could be just me but Carimi is a pretty athletic guy and that is what you need to be a ZBS tackle. They will pick who fits the scheme and I don't see why Carimi would be an abssolute no for a ZBS.

bigboiajhawk
01-17-2011, 03:37 PM
I think we are going to need to draft skill position in the first round or trade up or trade down. I say that because, I believe that all the good OT prospects are going to be selected before the Pack picks, and the 3-4 OLB (Houston, Smith, Miller, Kerrigan) will be selected as well. I see a guy like Jon Baldwin being there at WR, maybe a corner in Jimmy Smith or Williams from Texas, and probably Mikel Leshoure and Williams from VT at RB. There is always the chance TT goes DL and picks up Cameron Heyward, who I think is a perfect 3-4 DE.

One OL who could be there when the Packers pick is Barksdale out of LSU. I personally don't think he is a LT, but I think he could be a great guard and possibly a RT. Our OL could look like this:

Bulaga, Barksdale, Wells, Sitton, Lang
or
Bulaga, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Barksdale

princefielder28
01-17-2011, 04:04 PM
Barksdale will be there in round three if the Packers want him

nlgb1
01-19-2011, 03:09 PM
I think we are going to need to draft skill position in the first round or trade up or trade down. I say that because, I believe that all the good OT prospects are going to be selected before the Pack picks, and the 3-4 OLB (Houston, Smith, Miller, Kerrigan) will be selected as well. I see a guy like Jon Baldwin being there at WR, maybe a corner in Jimmy Smith or Williams from Texas, and probably Mikel Leshoure and Williams from VT at RB. There is always the chance TT goes DL and picks up Cameron Heyward, who I think is a perfect 3-4 DE.

One OL who could be there when the Packers pick is Barksdale out of LSU. I personally don't think he is a LT, but I think he could be a great guard and possibly a RT. Our OL could look like this:

Bulaga, Barksdale, Wells, Sitton, Lang
or
Bulaga, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Barksdale

TT wont draft barksdale. weve never had any OL's play for us that were african-american. could be purely coincidence, but all of our linemen have always been white, save newhouse last year but i dont think he ever played or suited up this season. (correct me if im wrong here)

J-Mike88
01-19-2011, 04:10 PM
TT wont draft barksdale. weve never had any OL's play for us that were african-american. could be purely coincidence, but all of our linemen have always been white, save newhouse last year but i dont think he ever played or suited up this season. (correct me if im wrong here)
Can't correct you because you are correct. In a league that is over 70% African American, it's obviously past the point of being a coincidence, especially since the NE Patriots are the same way.
That being said, Teddy did draft Jamon Meredith and Marshall Newhouse.

But when predicting a draft, mocking one, it's obviously smart to put down guys that fit TTs MO, and that's the most consistent pattern there.

He also takes guys that are pretty good people, and doesn't draft short CBs. He actually doesn't draft good CBs... but he signs good UNdrafted CBs!

jackalope
01-19-2011, 04:31 PM
Are you people serious? This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and I can't believe this has been brought up twice now.

nlgb1
01-19-2011, 08:27 PM
Are you people serious? This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and I can't believe this has been brought up twice now.
well its the truth. im white, not saying its right or wrong that he drafts mainly white OLs, but it just happens. maybe its better for line chemistry, who knows. TT is all about the white guys.

LOL @ a few formations that included:
QB rodgers
RB kuhn
FB hall
OL clifton colledge wells sitton bulaga
TE crabtree quarless
WR nelson

EvilMonkey
01-19-2011, 09:12 PM
some of you people are quite possibly the dumbest on the planet for this to be brought up not once, but now twice. Ted Thompson is not a racist, no one gives a sh*t about race when evaluating the talent of a football player.

His Picks:
38 of 58 picks were african-american
4 of 12 o-lineman were african-american

He hasn't taken a black kicker either so racist there too. I guess he hasn't taken any black QBs so he's racist. Never would have taken Aaron Rodgers over Adrian McPherson if Rodgers wasn't white. Obviously talent evaluation had nothing to do with it, must have been purely on race.....

Maybe it could be that more white O-Lineman were taken because it is a position where there are a higher ratio of white players than compared to RB or CB or something, but yeah it couldn't be that because he has to be racist like you idiots say.

Ozzie Newsome is obviously racist too because he's hardly taken any white CB's during his time as NFL GM, right???

Can we be done with this crap now?

nlgb1
01-19-2011, 09:34 PM
some of you people are quite possibly the dumbest on the planet for this to be brought up not once, but now twice. Ted Thompson is not a racist, no one gives a sh*t about race when evaluating the talent of a football player.

His Picks:
38 of 58 picks were african-american
4 of 12 o-lineman were african-american

He hasn't taken a black kicker either so racist there too. I guess he hasn't taken any black QBs so he's racist. Never would have taken Aaron Rodgers over Adrian McPherson if Rodgers wasn't white. Obviously talent evaluation had nothing to do with it, must have been purely on race.....

Maybe it could be that more white O-Lineman were taken because it is a position where there are a higher ratio of white players than compared to RB or CB or something, but yeah it couldn't be that because he has to be racist like you idiots say.

Ozzie Newsome is obviously racist too because he's hardly taken any white CB's during his time as NFL GM, right???

Can we be done with this crap now?
noone ever said he was racist. he just likes white offensive lineman. no harm in that

J-Mike88
01-19-2011, 09:51 PM
some of you people are quite possibly the dumbest on the planet for this to be brought up not once, but now twice. Ted Thompson is not a racist, no one gives a sh*t about race when evaluating the talent of a football player.

His Picks:
38 of 58 picks were african-american
4 of 12 o-lineman were african-american

He hasn't taken a black kicker either so racist there too. I guess he hasn't taken any black QBs so he's racist. Never would have taken Aaron Rodgers over Adrian McPherson if Rodgers wasn't white. Obviously talent evaluation had nothing to do with it, must have been purely on race.....

Maybe it could be that more white O-Lineman were taken because it is a position where there are a higher ratio of white players than compared to RB or CB or something, but yeah it couldn't be that because he has to be racist like you idiots say.

Ozzie Newsome is obviously racist too because he's hardly taken any white CB's during his time as NFL GM, right???

Can we be done with this crap now?
Easy there monkey. I didn't see anyone even bring up the word racist, until you just did, 4 or 5 times.

What the poster pointed out about the Packers OL is not news to anyone. Sure, there are some platforms where it's like the elephant in the room, where it's either ignored or just dismissed as coincidence and denied. Nobody has accused TT of being racist, ever, and I don't think anyone has accused Belichick of being racist either for his OL.... let's not bring up that word here.

That's a label some young people throw around way too carelessly. Know what the word means before you label someone as racist. And I don't think this is even a topic that's supposed to be discussed on this particular site, so don't throw those labels and names out at anyone.

Now, let's get back to Packers mock drafts.....

TimmG6376
01-20-2011, 02:48 PM
http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/3/19/802876/get-to-know-erik-walden
Nice write up on Walden from 2 years ago when he was a member of the Dolphins.

Also, in Rob Demovsky's chat today he said that an unnamed NFL GM told him he's been "kicking himself for not knowing more about Walden".

Still...after reading some scouting reports if Beal is there at the end of the first I can't see them passing. The consensus I got from what I read is:

- good pass rusher
- intelligent (can diagnose plays)
- leader
- high motor
- experience in zone drops
- good size (might even want to drop down to the 250lb range to gain quickness)

I see a lot of people mocking Houston to the Pack, but most reviews of him say his motor is inconsistent. That's a red flag to me. As many physical gifts as Mathews has IMO what makes him elite is his non-stop motor and work ethic.

tjsunstein
01-20-2011, 03:34 PM
well its the truth. im white, not saying its right or wrong that he drafts mainly white OLs, but it just happens. maybe its better for line chemistry, who knows. TT is all about the white guys.

LOL @ a few formations that included:
QB rodgers
RB kuhn
FB hall
OL clifton colledge wells sitton bulaga
TE crabtree quarless
WR nelson
News Flash: Andrew Quarless is not white. Google it if you have to.

nlgb1
01-20-2011, 04:33 PM
News Flash: Andrew Quarless is not white. Google it if you have to.

never said he was white. just alot of white guys in one set.

J-Mike88
01-20-2011, 04:35 PM
Again, I thought we were getting back to discussing pure football, the draft, and the off-season here?

What's with the love of color here? We know what our OL looks like, and it's no different than the Patriots OL.

Let's move on.

nlgb1
01-20-2011, 05:51 PM
Again, I thought we were getting back to discussing pure football, the draft, and the off-season here?

What's with the love of color here? We know what our OL looks like, and it's no different than the Patriots OL.

Let's move on.

you a moderator?

drowe
01-20-2011, 06:45 PM
This last page was one of the dumbest conversations i've ever read on this board. and, that's saying something.

As fans we need to do a better job representin' in general. no more crap about how the bears are lucky and the packers have had injuries. we're one win away from being the center of the sports universe for 2 weeks. let's NOT get bogged down in stupid crap like this.

Zycho32
01-22-2011, 12:15 PM
The latest Mock Draft is in, and surprise, surprise- we're taking a converted DE for OLB!

Justin Houston out of Clemson... and to be honest, out of the other remaining selections in the Mock, I would rather have the other Pouncey brother for OG, even though I LIKE the idea of him being reunited with his twin in Pittsburgh.

So... does anybody know the actual talents of Mr. Houston? Because I'm assuming he's one of many undersized DEs who have to go to OLB in the next level and probably struggle in areas not connected to Pass Rushing.

GB12
01-22-2011, 12:48 PM
Justin Houston is a great pick. He's from Georgia by the way, not Clemson. I settled on him as my #1 choice a while ago. He's the best possible choice for us of the players who are likely to be available when we pick. Georgia actually ran a 3-4 last year and he played OLB, so he already has some experience in the scheme. Of course he is a better pass rusher than anything else, but that's what we need. Whoever we have in that spot isn't going to be asked to drop back into coverage much anyway, although he's not terrible at it.


No way we take Pouncey. We have Sitton set on the right side. On the left, both Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz are free agents. So we're either going to have to go after a big name like Nicks or Joseph or re-sign Colledge to a semi-big deal. I can't see us having TJ Lang penciled in as the starter on draft day. And if for some reason we did, it'd be because Thompson wants him to be the starter there. We're not going to go into the draft with an opening at LG. If we're taking an offensive lineman it should be a tackle.

bigboiajhawk
01-22-2011, 03:51 PM
Justin Houston is a great pick. He's from Georgia by the way, not Clemson. I settled on him as my #1 choice a while ago. He's the best possible choice for us of the players who are likely to be available when we pick. Georgia actually ran a 3-4 last year and he played OLB, so he already has some experience in the scheme. Of course he is a better pass rusher than anything else, but that's what we need. Whoever we have in that spot isn't going to be asked to drop back into coverage much anyway, although he's not terrible at it.


No way we take Pouncey. We have Sitton set on the right side. On the left, both Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz are free agents. So we're either going to have to go after a big name like Nicks or Joseph or re-sign Colledge to a semi-big deal. I can't see us having TJ Lang penciled in as the starter on draft day. And if for some reason we did, it'd be because Thompson wants him to be the starter there. We're not going to go into the draft with an opening at LG. If we're taking an offensive lineman it should be a tackle.


Yup, I am as well a big fan of Houston's, I really hope he is there, however, I really kind of doubt he will be. I am praying I will be wrong, but I didn't agree with some of Scott's picks but nonetheless this is January and I am just an armchair GM.

If we do not have the option of Houston I was doing a little research on a guy named Bruce Miller, he is from UCF, and he has been a beast as a DE almost his whole career. I really like what I saw from him in this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FABW6VvkrA

So if we don't go Houston in the first round, this is the guy I would like to see in either rounds 2-4. He could be a guy a lot of people will be scratching their heads over the pick, but then turns out to be very good.


BTW, could anyone tell me how to embed youtube videos into this.

J-Mike88
01-22-2011, 04:21 PM
BTW, could anyone tell me how to embed youtube videos into this.
you go like this: sh*t.... I tried but then the part doesn't show up.

umphrey
01-24-2011, 03:24 AM
We might as well just trade half this draft for 1 offensive lineman and the other half for picks next year. Seriously who are we going to cut? In order of need:

OT: We need 1 lineman to replace Clifton (who isn't necessarily done might I add). 4/5s of our line is young and playing well.
CB: Woodson, Tramon, Shields are #1 #2 #3. We can pick up a dime back and cut the worst special teamer out of Underwood, Bush, Lee but it looks the most we need is a dime (#4) for next year and a nickel for sometime in the future.
OLB: Don't need a starter here, since we move Clay around and rush him and just use the other guy against the run and coverage. Walden plays like a starter and Brad Jones, Frank Zombo, Brady Poppinga and even Brandon Chillar are all worthy backups. I like Walden and Jones better than anyone outside the first round.

Things we especially don't need:
Safety: I like Burnett and we have more than capable backups in Bigby, Peprah, Martin.
WR: 4 starters means we already have guys ready for when Driver retires, which he won't next year (just signed extension).
DL: Raji, Jenkins, Pickett, Neal, Jolly, Greene, Wilson : 5 starters and 2 good rotationals, oh and Harrell if he's still alive.
ILB: Barnett, Hawk, Bishop, Chillar : 3 starters and a great backup.
RB: Grant, Kuhn, Jackson, Starks are all good with different skill sets, hate to cut any one of them.
OG: Colledge earned my respect, finally, after about 4 years.
C: Wells has been here too long and been too consistent to replace. He's in sync with Rodgers with calling out blitzes and it's not broke so don't fix it.
QB: No comment necessary.
FB: Same.


The one guy I want to draft is Jeff Maehl, WR from Oregon. His consistent hands, run after catch, deceptive speed, and great work ethic would go great with our receivers. I don't think he was a regular kick returner at OU but I think he could be and if not would do well on special teams anyway. He's probably got about a 4th-6th round grade on him which would be good value.

BloodBrother
01-24-2011, 03:49 AM
I want an OL first round. The OL improved this year, but it still isn't great. Keep shoring that area up to protect the franchise(Rodgers).

2nd round, go OLB. After that you can go CB, RB. All I know is, I want to be picking LAST! 1 game left, lets do THIS

TimmG6376
01-24-2011, 07:47 AM
WR: 4 starters means we already have guys ready for when Driver retires, which he won't next year (just signed extension).

The one guy I want to draft is Jeff Maehl, WR from Oregon. His consistent hands, run after catch, deceptive speed, and great work ethic would go great with our receivers. I don't think he was a regular kick returner at OU but I think he could be and if not would do well on special teams anyway. He's probably got about a 4th-6th round grade on him which would be good value.


Definitely stacked at WR, but there is something that concerns me. If all 4 of those guys are capable of being starters, how long before other teams start offering them starter money? When that starts happening how many can we afford to keep?

TimmG6376
01-24-2011, 02:14 PM
It is going to be tough to figure out TT's strategy going into the draft. You have to believe with this late season run to the Super Bowl he feels damn good about his roster at this point.

Shields' emergence I think alleviates the need at CB slightly. Depth is necessary as Underwood and Lee are marginal players and Woodson is getting older, but a first round pick?

OT is still a need with Clifton aging but at the bottom of round 1 will any of the tackles worthy of that pick be available?

I think someone is going to overpay for Colledge so, unless they think Lang or Spitz can be trusted to take over at LG, an interior linemen isn't out of the question.

Walden has played impressively considering he came in mid-season and had to pick up the system on the fly. With an offseason of grooming under Greene he may solidify the OLB slot opposite Clay.

Assuming Grant comes back healthy and Starks is coming off a full offseason, I don't see RB as a early round need. I think Jackson is a FA but he hasn't shown enough that someone will offer him a big contract. IMO I think he'll be back in his 3rd down role at a reasonable price, unless some other GM loses his mind and thinks he can be a starter.

So does TT go BPA?

Hope that another team wants to jump back into Rd 1 to snatch up a guy that has dropped? In that scenario maybe he can get one of the second tier tackles with a more reasonable 2nd round pick.

J-Mike88
01-24-2011, 03:34 PM
I agree OL, and really the only other position we have a lot of room to upgrade is at PR.
Woodson used to be too valuable to use as PR. Well I think Tramon is like that now, plus he doesn't know how to field a punt anyway. Seems like he goes blind back there trying to catch punts. He always lets them bounce.

cvv84
01-24-2011, 04:35 PM
Ok enough already, we'll in the ******* SUPERBOWL and you guys are talking draft???

TimmG6376
01-24-2011, 04:42 PM
Ok enough already, we'll in the ******* SUPERBOWL and you guys are talking draft???

TT is in Mobile scouting the Senior Bowl. We aren't the only ones. Plus, two weeks until the game. I was sick the week before the Atlanta game. Two days straight of ESPN and NFL Network. I was overloaded on the hype by Wednesday and had almost three full days to go.

princefielder28
01-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Ok enough already, we'll in the ******* SUPERBOWL and you guys are talking draft???

haha this is a draft website remember...there's not a day where we should ever stop talking about it except maybe Super Sunday

cvv84
01-24-2011, 05:47 PM
haha this is a draft website remember...there's not a day where we should ever stop talking about it except maybe Super Sunday

Yeah I know :D


But it can't wait 2 weeks??



SUPERBOWL!!!!!!

J-Mike88
01-24-2011, 09:41 PM
ANyone have a list of the best possible PR/KR specialists available?

TimmG6376
01-25-2011, 01:06 PM
Was checking out a mock on another site. Gave us Ryan Williams in the 2nd. That in itself isn't unique and I think most Packer fans would disagree. But I found his reasoning at least logical. Instead of just saying the "Packers running game sucked this year" (we all know there is more to that story than just the RB), he said Ryan Grant is due a roster bonus and may not be brought back. This was news to me so I looked it up.

Looks like in March he is due 1.75 on top of his 3.5 base. That plus gameday and workout bonuses he will cost $6 million next season (not including any yardage incentives which are unknown).

I like Grant and think he is underrated by a lot of people, but $6 mil coming off an injury? I guess we will find out how much TT values him.

Also read that Hawk's house is on the market and that his agent does not seem inclined to negotiate a reduced salary.

cvv84
01-25-2011, 04:12 PM
There's no way that Grant is going anywhere in 2011. Thats still a cheap price to pay for a RB that can produce 1200 yards. He'll also be back to full strength so there's no reason to worry.

Hawk... Well it really doesn't matter. He played very well this year and I'd like to keep him but Bishop and Barnett are under contract and Chillar provides depth.

umphrey
01-25-2011, 04:22 PM
I don't see Grant going anywhere unless his rehab dictates he can't be a starting RB anymore. Hawk on the other hand is completely dispensable and hopefully gets traded because, while a decent player, we don't need to overpay for ILBs right now.

GB12
01-25-2011, 08:18 PM
Looks like in March he is due 1.75 on top of his 3.5 base. That plus gameday and workout bonuses he will cost $6 million next season (not including any yardage incentives which are unknown). It says he's eligible for a $1.75 million roster bonus. That's not guaranteed. I can't find what triggers it, but it could perhaps be based on his performance in 2010.


Also read that Hawk's house is on the market and that his agent does not seem inclined to negotiate a reduced salary.
He has absolutely no reason to take a reduced salary. The reason he has a $10 million base salary next season was to force both sides to work out an extension. Either he gets a nice extension, gets a huge payday for one year, or he's cut and gets a nice deal from someone else. After the year he's had there will be plenty of suitors if he hits free agency.

CheeseKnuckles
01-26-2011, 09:59 AM
Well like the rest of you I am extremely pumped for the SB and am already losing sleep thinking about it, but I can't help it though I am getting excited fo the draft process. I just wanted to run what I think our 1st 3 rds should look like.

Rd. 1 - I think we need to adress 1 of 3 postions here, my ideal players are Justin Houston (after seeing the pick on draftcountdown I have fell in love with this playe), Corey Liuget (big bodies are necessary), and Brandon Harris ( this kid is a baller and comes from the same school as Sam Shields).

Rd. 2 - I do not know many playes that are RD 2 talent, but I believe we go for whateve postion we did not take in the 1st OLB, DT, or CB.

Rd. 3 - Dwanye Harris, WR ECU. This kid has moves, I think he can help our return game and give Rodgers a good target in the slot reciever postion.

I know its early, but I can't seem to stop thinking football at this time haha!

GO PACK!

TimmG6376
01-26-2011, 10:39 AM
DT?

We have a lot of big bodies:

Raji
Pickett
Green
Jenkins
Wilson
Wynn
Neal (should be back from injury)

A rotational/developmental guy in the later rounds maybe if there is someone they really like, but definitely not a high priority. Liuget is more of a 3-tech anyway isn't he?

OT, CB, OLB are targets on day one I think.

OT obviously because we need to groom a guy to replace Clifton soon. Wouldn't rule out an interior lineman either. I think they would like to bring back Colledge, but I don't think TT will pay what he can get on the open market.

I get the impression they are pretty happy with the play they've gotten from Walden and Zombo at OLB, but if there is a difference maker available at that position I don't think they'll pass.

CB for depth is an option as well. Either Brandon Underwood or Pat Lee (or both) will be gone next season.

Again the roster, depending on how free agency shakes out, is in the position where TT can take a guy based on upside that may not be ready to start right away.

As far WR goes, it seems that TT and McCarthy like to have a lot of depth there. Probably a waste to use a high pick on one because he'd be fighting for a roster spot. Brett Swain is a special teams guy that provides some WR depth but I don't think he'll ever be in our top 4. So someone with upside that could provide some special teams value in the return game and possibly move up into a 3rd/4th WR role once Driver leaves or some other team offers Jones/Nelson starter money.

CheeseKnuckles
01-26-2011, 10:50 AM
My thinking with Liuget is that he is big and those big bodies are important. But you are correct we do have quite a few bodies and many of them got extra playing time because of injuries this year.

If interior lineman were to be adressed I would like to see them take a chance with Mike Pouncey, but that is only because his brother had a good rookie season. I have not actually seen him play.

Not sure whether Dwayne Harris could be had in the 4th, but he can immediately replace Tramon on put returns which can only be a good thing. I cross my fingers that he calls a fair catch every time he fields a punt.

TimmG6376
01-26-2011, 11:03 AM
Only way DT could become a priority is if something can't be worked out with Jenkins. In that case another guy who is ready to come in an work into the rotation might be necessary early in the draft.

QB & WR have got be out of the early round discussion. I'd probably say RB & TE too, but not completely out of the question. Outside of that I think TT could go almost in any direction. I don't think his perception of need necessary aligns with those of us on the outside looking in and if someone high on his board falls to the bottom of the first round he may just take him regardless of position.

EDIT: Actually on second thought take TE completely out of the early round discussion. Finely/Quarles/Lee/Crabtree. Why take a guy in the first three rounds that will end up being your 3rd TE at best.

CheeseKnuckles
01-26-2011, 11:40 AM
Any players have your attention TimmG? I am just using my day off to look at different players.

Mr.Regular
01-26-2011, 12:00 PM
OT is our biggest need IMO. Bulaga obviously has one spot locked up for the future but a long term replacement opposite of him is a must. Tramon/Woodson/Shields is a solid 1-2-3, but outside of them, everyone looks ordinary. With Chuck getting older, CB is a need too.
And OLB if there's good value. Walden/Jones/Zombo are all decent options, but none are game breakers.

Thats pretty much it for need. Tackle for the future, CB depth, possible OLB.

Look also for an ILB later...Hawk likely won't be back, and Barnett is too injury prone. Some interior line depth could also be used, and maybe a flyer on a WR.
Not to sound like too much of a homer, though we are in the Super Bowl, but this roster is absolutely stacked. We don't have many needs at all.

J-Mike88
01-26-2011, 12:39 PM
Hawk will get an extension and remain a Packer.
I think Barnett will be the odd-man out, if there is one, at ILB.

Remember, there's also Chillar there, who Ted brought in and who Ted liked enough to give a new contract to a year or so ago..... someone has to go.

What's the age difference between Chill and Barnett? I think Barnett's age, and recent 2 seasons missed hurt, will get him booted.

Wish we could keep em all, but economics prevail sometimes.

CheeseKnuckles
01-26-2011, 12:46 PM
ANyone have a list of the best possible PR/KR specialists available?

JMike check out Dwayne Harris. A WR out of ECU has great moves and was the primary play maker for his team, and still teams couldn't stop him. I hope we can get our hands on him in rds 3-4.

TimmG6376
01-26-2011, 12:48 PM
I don't consider myself a scout, so I rely on reading scouts breakdowns. That being said.

For a WR flyer, I was thinking Salas in the mid-late rounds, but Scott's reports from the Senior Bowl are making it sound like he might be moving up to the range where it might be too early for us to be looking WR.

I like Mason Foster's versatility. He would probably be an ILB in our scheme, but I like what I'm reading thus far.

Sounds like Solder is pretty raw, which might mean he'll be available at #32 as teams looking for an immediate starter may shy away. Assuming Clifton comes back we might be the ideal situation for him to come into. He can build strength, work on technique for a year as an understudy and be ready to take over in 2012.

CheeseKnuckles
01-26-2011, 12:50 PM
I agree Mr. Reg, and with all the injuries that occurred this year we have provided tons of depth for next year. I would be really happy to say that Bradon Harris was our 4th best CB though!

IMO though this draft could be pretty boring for cheeseheads, because they will mainly be drafting for depth I'm guessing.

senormysterioso
01-26-2011, 02:10 PM
Offensive line in the first unless there is a pass rusher that falls and is too good to pass up.

Beyond that, we have the luxury of taking the best player available. That is always a great place to be in at the draft.

cvv84
01-26-2011, 03:20 PM
Offensive line in the first unless there is a pass rusher that falls and is too good to pass up.

Beyond that, we have the luxury of taking the best player available. That is always a great place to be in at the draft.

Umm no, we have take the best player available reguardless. So if the only offensive lineman on the board had a 3rd round grade you take him?

Mr.Regular
01-26-2011, 03:22 PM
Id also like to take a QB later in the draft. I think Flynn can become pretty good trade bait in the next year or so, and we will need someone to develop behind him.

senormysterioso
01-26-2011, 03:31 PM
Umm no, we have take the best player available reguardless. So if the only offensive lineman on the board had a 3rd round grade you take him?

I think that offensive line is probably the deepest position in this draft. Carimi and Solder are both top 20 guys, but there are a ton of guys that grade out as late first round picks. I like Smith, Sherrod, Pouncey, Cannon, Ijalana, Love, Franklin, Henderson as late first-early second round guys at this point.

TimmG6376
01-26-2011, 04:06 PM
I think that offensive line is probably the deepest position in this draft. Carimi and Solder are both top 20 guys, but there are a ton of guys that grade out as late first round picks. I like Smith, Sherrod, Pouncey, Cannon, Ijalana, Love, Franklin, Henderson as late first-early second round guys at this point.

You think Solder is still top 20 even though he's getting abused at the Senior Bowl?

Sportsfan486
01-26-2011, 04:29 PM
Offensive line in the first unless there is a pass rusher that falls and is too good to pass up.

Beyond that, we have the luxury of taking the best player available. That is always a great place to be in at the draft.

This. Can't really say it any better. Our offensive line and CBs are the two positions that we lack depth at and another pass rusher would only make our defense that much more impressive (although I think Walden shows potential here.)

CBs we need a 4th guy/1st backup as we really lack that. I'd prefer we seek someone out via free agency that's proven but not a huge name, as our track record with drafting CBs is awful; seems like the one position we don't evaluate well.

Ideally a Sherrod or Castonzo would fall to us in the first and we take a shot at someone like Dontay Moch after that.

cvv84
01-26-2011, 04:46 PM
I think that offensive line is probably the deepest position in this draft. Carimi and Solder are both top 20 guys, but there are a ton of guys that grade out as late first round picks. I like Smith, Sherrod, Pouncey, Cannon, Ijalana, Love, Franklin, Henderson as late first-early second round guys at this point.

That not my point. Its saying you have to take a position when in reality we could use OL, DL, OLB, CB, WR, and RB. You can't put an order to needs when value is what you're searching for.

J-Mike88
01-26-2011, 05:04 PM
How's this for a draft heading into next year:

#1- TE Jermichael Finley
#2- DE Mike Neal
#3- S Morgan Burnett
#4- RB Ryan Grant
#5- OLB Brad Jones
#6- ILB Nick Barnett
#7- LB Brandon Chillar

UFA
DE Johnny Jolly
S Anthony Smith
S Derrick Martin

Sportsfan486
01-26-2011, 06:48 PM
How's this for a draft heading into next year:

#1- TE Jermichael Finley
#2- DE Mike Neal
#3- S Morgan Burnett
#4- RB Ryan Grant
#5- OLB Brad Jones
#6- ILB Nick Barnett
#7- LB Brandon Chillar

UFA
DE Johnny Jolly
S Anthony Smith
S Derrick Martin

I lol'd. Well played.

TimmG6376
01-26-2011, 08:50 PM
CBs we need a 4th guy/1st backup as we really lack that. I'd prefer we seek someone out via free agency that's proven but not a huge name, as our track record with drafting CBs is awful; seems like the one position we don't evaluate well.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/db.html

Anyone on this list that stands out?

CheeseKnuckles
01-26-2011, 10:16 PM
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/db.html

Anyone on this list that stands out?

I'd take the first two.

Sportsfan486
01-26-2011, 10:36 PM
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/db.html

Anyone on this list that stands out?

There's a lot of guys on that list I would gladly take. A lot of guys on the "other notable" list I would take, too. We don't have a legit #4 corner and many of those guys are nickel worthy on a good team and starter worthy on a bad one.

If you think either of the top two will happen, you're probably insane. TT doesn't give out huge contracts, although I guarantee you those players will be interested in a Super Bowl team with the best forecast for the future. Players like to make money and win rings.

TimmG6376
01-27-2011, 01:02 PM
There's a lot of guys on that list I would gladly take. A lot of guys on the "other notable" list I would take, too. We don't have a legit #4 corner and many of those guys are nickel worthy on a good team and starter worthy on a bad one.

If you think either of the top two will happen, you're probably insane. TT doesn't give out huge contracts, although I guarantee you those players will be interested in a Super Bowl team with the best forecast for the future. Players like to make money and win rings.


We play so much nickel that the 3rd/4th CB probably plays more here than he would as a backup almost anywhere else, so that might be attractive to some of those guys that would be starters on worse teams.

TitleTown088
01-27-2011, 01:23 PM
I'd take the first two.

Way too expensive. Especially with how much $ Ted just gave Woodson, Colllins and Tramon.

TimmG6376
01-27-2011, 02:12 PM
Anyone see the recent Senior Bowl blog postings?

If Martez Wilson truly runs under 4.6 at 6'4" 249lbs does he start rising up the boards?

CheeseKnuckles
01-27-2011, 04:21 PM
Way too expensive. Especially with how much $ Ted just gave Woodson, Colllins and Tramon.

I never said I thought it would happen or that TT would do it, I was just stating who I would take.

nlgb1
01-27-2011, 05:28 PM
what are all you people talking about DB for? we have 3 guys that are playing at premier level. sure it never hurts to take a DB, but it is NOT a need. id like to see them take a guy to supplant underwood or lee somewhere between rounds 4 and 7 but i mean cmon. your 4th db on ANY team is more often than not going to be a liability. a 4th corner is a luxury not a need.

OLB
WR/KR/PR
OT
OG to replace colledge

all FAR more important to address than cb.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-27-2011, 05:46 PM
i want herzlich.

TimmG6376
01-27-2011, 06:26 PM
what are all you people talking about DB for? we have 3 guys that are playing at premier level. sure it never hurts to take a DB, but it is NOT a need. id like to see them take a guy to supplant underwood or lee somewhere between rounds 4 and 7 but i mean cmon. your 4th db on ANY team is more often than not going to be a liability. a 4th corner is a luxury not a need.

OLB
WR/KR/PR
OT
OG to replace colledge

all FAR more important to address than cb.

OT is higher priority than OLB. I wouldn't be surprised if thoughts of retirement don't start creeping into Clifton's head if we win the SB. Walden has flashed and didn't even get a full offseason to pick up the system. Sure a difference maker would be nice but at #32 that might be hard to find at OLB.

But the draft is about value as much as it is need. And at the end of the first it can be hard to find value in pass rushers and tackles.

jackalope
01-27-2011, 06:52 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Carimi is available at the end of round one, but I'm getting the sense that we'd have to trade up for him (which I would still be willing to do).

Sportsfan486
01-27-2011, 07:17 PM
a 4th corner is a luxury not a need.

OLB
WR/KR/PR
OT
OG to replace colledge

all FAR more important to address than cb.

Not sure if you noticed, but the Packers are in the super bowl. Luxury is the name of the game this upcoming draft. And CBs can be KR/PRs. Two birds, one stone.

J-Mike88
01-27-2011, 08:15 PM
Ted does great work in the draft, but he goes against the grain more than most.
I've decided to not invest so much into watching, scouting, mocking, guessing which players we'll take or who I want to take.

And that's good that we have an extra month of post-season action.

One area that we have the most room to improve is the KR/PR area. I think we all agree there. Otherwise OLB and depth.

senormysterioso
01-27-2011, 09:03 PM
Ted does great work in the draft, but he goes against the grain more than most.
I've decided to not invest so much into watching, scouting, mocking, guessing which players we'll take or who I want to take.

And that's good that we have an extra month of post-season action.

One area that we have the most room to improve is the KR/PR area. I think we all agree there. Otherwise OLB and depth.

We need to find at least 1 starter on the o-line, Rodgers has made them look adequate...but we need to improve that unit. Sitton and Bulaga are the only guys that are locks for next year as far as I'm concerned. Wells is about 90% though, he's been good.

Sportsfan486
01-27-2011, 11:46 PM
We need to find at least 1 starter on the o-line, Rodgers has made them look adequate...but we need to improve that unit. Sitton and Bulaga are the only guys that are locks for next year as far as I'm concerned. Wells is about 90% though, he's been good.

Wells is good enough. His blocking is mediocre but he does a good job helping Rodgers identify the blitz and stuff and since they have that working, even a better blocking center could mess that up for a bit.

Wells, Sitton, Bulaga are locks. That leaves two positions plus two very necessary backups that we should be trying to acquire. There isn't the top heavy depth of OTs this year but there are quite a few deserving to go where we'll be picking. I really don't want Soldier because he's a liability in the run game. Cast is my guy, BC gave us Raji so in BC I trust. Plus he's a guy that plays both the pass and run and can play pretty much anywhere but center.

CheeseKnuckles
01-28-2011, 08:46 AM
Wells is good enough. His blocking is mediocre but he does a good job helping Rodgers identify the blitz and stuff and since they have that working, even a better blocking center could mess that up for a bit.

Wells, Sitton, Bulaga are locks. That leaves two positions plus two very necessary backups that we should be trying to acquire. There isn't the top heavy depth of OTs this year but there are quite a few deserving to go where we'll be picking. I really don't want Soldier because he's a liability in the run game. Cast is my guy, BC gave us Raji so in BC I trust. Plus he's a guy that plays both the pass and run and can play pretty much anywhere but center.

I have to agree with you here, I am not a fan of Solder anymore. He looks soft and weak, though he does look like he has room to grow. Cast and Carimi I really like. I think with an NFL workout schedule Carimi can improve his pass blocking abilities because we already know he can run block.

TimmG6376
01-28-2011, 10:45 AM
I have to agree with you here, I am not a fan of Solder anymore. He looks soft and weak, though he does look like he has room to grow. Cast and Carimi I really like. I think with an NFL workout schedule Carimi can improve his pass blocking abilities because we already know he can run block.

At this point I would be shocked if either of those guys still on the board when we pick though. Things can always change between now and then I guess.

I'm not ruling out Solder yet. He is obviously not close to a finished product, but I think with a year in an NFL weight training program he can get stronger as long as he shows the ability to improve with coaching. If Clifton doesn't come back we obviously can't afford to take a project at OT. We would have to take someone more ready but probably with a lower ceiling.

tjsunstein
01-28-2011, 12:25 PM
Players I want:

Gabe Carimi OT, Wisconsin (1st)
Justin Houston OLB, Georgia (Late First-Early Second)
Jimmy Smith CB, Colorado (2nd or 3rd)
Titus Young WR, Boise State (2nd or 3rd)
Casey Matthews ILB, Oregon (Mid Rounder)
Torrey Smith WR/KR, Maryland (Mid-Rounder
Delone Carter RB, Syracuse (Mid-Rounder)
Chris Neild DT, WVU (Late)
Ricky Stanzi QB, Iowa (Late)

Obviously we aren't getting all of these guys but some off the top of my head that I'd be thrilled to have.

tjsunstein
01-28-2011, 12:27 PM
Right now, I want to get Carimi as long as it doesn't cost us our whole draft.

CheeseKnuckles
01-29-2011, 09:02 PM
I didn't get to watch the Senior Bowl, but from what I read is Von Miller was great. Problem is I don't think he will be available. So the guy I also heard made a great impression was Brooks Reed. Did anyone get to see this guy play and would he be a reach in the 1st rd?

bigboiajhawk
01-30-2011, 03:11 PM
Not to be rude at all but this should go in the 2011 Draft Thread. I see you are new, but anything related to the draft should go there.

GB12
02-01-2011, 12:45 AM
1. Justin Houston
2. Gabe Carimi
3. Derek Sherrod
4. Anthony Castonzo
5. Nate Solder

TimmG6376
02-01-2011, 10:36 AM
OLB
Justin Houston (even though I don't think he will still be on the board)
Brooks Reed ( seems very similar to Clay although physically bigger at this stage of development)
Martez Wilson (might be available in mid rounds; more of a project but could be deadly in Capers' defense if he can be developed)

WR/RB/KR
Taiwan Jones (poor man's Reggie Bush; Could serve as 4th/5th WR, 3rd down back, PR/KR; probably mid/late round)
Torrey Smith (our WRs are talented but none of them have pure speed like this guy; can also provide PR/KR skills)

OT
Carimi (if he keeps improving his stock he won't be around)
Sherrod (quick feet which is essential in the ZBS)
Solder (project who needs to develop physically; can afford to develop him if Clifton returns)

OG
Rodney Hudson (sounds like ideal ZBS interior linemen; could play LG and eventually replace Wells at C; needs to add about 10 more lbs)
Danny Watkins (ready to come in and start at LG; age is a concern but our window is now; probably available later than he should be due to age)

umphrey
02-01-2011, 12:02 PM
What I would want looking at Scott's top 100, #31 or later, #63 or later, #95 or later:

1. Gabe Carimi, OT Wisconsin
2. Titus Young, WR Boise State
Best player on the board, can serve as a return man, puts us truly 5 deep at WR allows us flexibility when Driver starts to decline and we have to make decisions on Jordy Nelson and James Jones, is the type of receiver Aaron Rodgers likes, great fit for the offense. Much stronger pick than CB or OLB at this point in the draft, using Scott's available.
3. K.J. Wright, OLB Mississippi State
Played OLB at Miss St., big and athletic, 3 year starter and team captain, good in coverage, would excel in Dom Capers' zone blitz defense.

To me that looks like 2 excellent talents that can contribute as rookies and develop long term, followed by a third that I could say the same about but not on the same talent level. Would be an extremely strong draft for where we are picking.

princefielder28
02-01-2011, 12:08 PM
Titus Young would be a great addition but after his performance in Mobile he's probably not going to drop past the middle second round...Carimi is another one that's probably unlikely at the bottom of round one...he's the safest pick of all the tackles (between him and Sherrod) and he could very well be a Top 20 guy now...

umphrey
02-01-2011, 12:10 PM
Titus Young would be a great addition but after his performance in Mobile he's probably not going to drop past the middle second round...Carimi is another one that's probably unlikely at the bottom of round one...he's the safest pick of all the tackles (between him and Sherrod) and he could very well be a Top 20 guy now...
Have to use some parameters, otherwise the guys I like too much I wouldn't be able to pick because I'd have them going to another team before us. It's where the owner of the site put them.

I would mostly agree, except for Titus Young might drop, because being 5'11" with a 4.47 40 (and some competition with elite measurables at his position) could easily drop him. DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin were similiar height-wise and ran just as well or better and went in the same area in much weaker drafts for their position.

princefielder28
02-01-2011, 12:12 PM
Have to use some parameters, otherwise the guys I like too much I wouldn't be able to pick because I'd have them going to another team before us. It's where the owner of the site put them.

oh, i know just wanted to comment on it...

GB12
02-01-2011, 03:25 PM
I like KJ Wright a lot, but I think he's a perfect fit as a 3-4 ILB. Not sure I like him outside.

If we take a Boise State WR I want Pettis. If we take any WR I think I want Pettis.

CheeseKnuckles
02-03-2011, 12:52 PM
Have to use some parameters, otherwise the guys I like too much I wouldn't be able to pick because I'd have them going to another team before us. It's where the owner of the site put them.

I would mostly agree, except for Titus Young might drop, because being 5'11" with a 4.47 40 (and some competition with elite measurables at his position) could easily drop him. DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin were similiar height-wise and ran just as well or better and went in the same area in much weaker drafts for their position.

But does their success raise his value??? I am thinking it might.

RyanBraun8
02-06-2011, 10:28 PM
Sooooo anyone still think CB isn't a need or that we are deep enough at that position? I a bunch of us have said, we have a HOF CB, Pro Bowl CB, and a rising CB but if one goes down we are in trouble. Super Bowl reforced that theory tonight. Bush made some plays but like usually also had a big oops play. I still think CB is an important need

Sportsfan486
02-06-2011, 10:36 PM
Sooooo anyone still think CB isn't a need or that we are deep enough at that position? I a bunch of us have said, we have a HOF CB, Pro Bowl CB, and a rising CB but if one goes down we are in trouble. Super Bowl reforced that theory tonight. Bush made some plays but like usually also had a big oops play. I still think CB is an important need

I think we really should go the free agent route for a CB. I really doubt it could happen but there's a chance Aso or Champ could take a discount to come to the definitive SB favs for a title. I'd gladly let Barnett and James Jones go to free up cap for one of those guys. Aso on our defense would be ridiculous, can't imagine we'd get that lucky (or that TT would go against his super bowl winning formula and sign him.)

TimmG6376
02-07-2011, 10:01 AM
Sooooo anyone still think CB isn't a need or that we are deep enough at that position? I a bunch of us have said, we have a HOF CB, Pro Bowl CB, and a rising CB but if one goes down we are in trouble. Super Bowl reforced that theory tonight. Bush made some plays but like usually also had a big oops play. I still think CB is an important need

Most definitely a need, but TT's track record with CBs in the draft is not very good.

Side note: they mentioned in the broadcast last night that Shields received ACC academic honors. I had not heard that before. That's impressive for a guy from the U.

drowe
02-07-2011, 11:30 AM
hey, we're picking 32nd. :)

that is all.

umphrey
02-07-2011, 02:38 PM
Sooooo anyone still think CB isn't a need or that we are deep enough at that position? I a bunch of us have said, we have a HOF CB, Pro Bowl CB, and a rising CB but if one goes down we are in trouble. Super Bowl reforced that theory tonight. Bush made some plays but like usually also had a big oops play. I still think CB is an important need
Yes but not as bad as most people think. We can start Tramon and Shields on the outsides and I don't really want to send either to the bench. Woodson is going to be on the field but either on the slot or in the box. We usually play like a 3-3-5 or 2-4-5 with 3 CBs on the field and all 3 of those absolutely deserve to be on the field, more so than anyone in the draft including Patrick Peterson as a rookie IMO. Lee has given me a little more confidence that he can improve but we need another to fill out the roster. You have to remember that whoever it is, he will be 4th on the depth chart and have to battle for that so it just isn't a position where you want to use a high pick on a player because even when Woodson isn't playing CB for us, Tramon and Shields will probably be our starters and that player will just be a nickel.

RyanBraun8
02-07-2011, 10:11 PM
Woodson will not here forever, chances that all 3 play every game and do not suffer injury is rather, and just like the point you made the Packers are in buckle and dime for a large percent of the game ( believe I read over 70% of the time) meaning u need 3 reliable on the field at once. I much rather snag a good corner and put him in a non pressure situation whet he can learn from a guy like Woodson and step in if injuries occur. It is a good problem to have if you 4 really good CB.

OT, OLB, CB in that order for me

J-Mike88
02-09-2011, 11:56 AM
Don't you guys agree that the most deficient area of our Championship team is the punt & kick areas? I mean the coverage units, that takes a team and scheme, etc.

But as far as a return man, both punt and kick, we are horrible there.

Tramon can't ***** catch the ball. Plus he's now too valuable to put back there, as Woodson was 5 years ago.

I hope Teddy can find a Josh Cribbs or Devin Hester or Dante Hall type. All those guys would have been available at pick #32.... who are the most explosive return men in this draft?

TimmG6376
02-09-2011, 12:32 PM
Yeah, PR/KR are very weak, but I don't see TT drafting a specialist. Whomever he drafts will have to be able to contribute on offense or defense as well. Like a CB that can return kicks but also play in dime packages or a WR that can also be the 5th WR on offense.

RyanBraun8
02-09-2011, 01:56 PM
Don't you guys agree that the most deficient area of our Championship team is the punt & kick areas? I mean the coverage units, that takes a team and scheme, etc.

But as far as a return man, both punt and kick, we are horrible there.

Tramon can't ***** catch the ball. Plus he's now too valuable to put back there, as Woodson was 5 years ago.

I hope Teddy can find a Josh Cribbs or Devin Hester or Dante Hall type. All those guys would have been available at pick #32.... who are the most explosive return men in this draft?

Thing is you can't draft guys to fix special teams, you just can't. Packers have tried a bunch of times in the past to draft a kick return specialist and the guy usually doesn't even the team (guys like DeAndrew Ruben and Cory Rodgers). If you look at many of the top kick returners in the NFL (like Cribbs) they weren't huge stars in college that had everyone saying this guy is a freak and will be one of the best KR/PR in the NFL. Sure there are the Hesters, Harvins, Ginns, Bushs, but many more who are rather unexpected. Problem with drafting some of these high profile guys is the same reason you listed for Williams, they are to important at another position. You never spend a top 32 pick in hopes that a guy will be a top returner eighter, you want a offensive or defense stud who can return until he becomes to valuable.

Coverage is even more impossible to fix through draft because most guys getting drafted didn't even play specials in college, some not even in high school because they were the studs of their team. You just pray to god that some of your picks and FA pick ups can come in be the next Spencer Havner, Travis Jervey, and so on.

I think WR is a need for us this season because Swain is not that great, Jones should be gone due to the fact he drops big plays ALL THE TIME, and Driver is starting to breakdown a bit so Torrey Smith, Titus Young, Randall Cobb, Jerrell Jernigan, and Dwayne Harris are all guys who are extremely explosive with the ball in their hands and could be look at as both a WR and Returner.

Not going to lie though, Shaky Smithson from Utah is flat out flithy as a return man and I think he could be a stud

Hawk
02-09-2011, 04:40 PM
I think Cobb at 32 would be great.

RyanBraun8
02-09-2011, 07:04 PM
I like Cobb a lot, he has that do it all ability that made me fall in love with McCluster but he comes in a bigger package at 6'0 200 (I think). Torrey Smith is a guy that I like a bunch also big, Strong and just pure explosive, will test like Vernon Davis, DHB and likely be gone but he would be a nice pick at 32. (Smith>DHB, can catch and take some hits) Plus can't forget Titus Young, any WR with good hands and a so called 4.2 40 has to be an option. He is a little thin but I think he is a Mike Wallace type that will just make big plays down the field..... with Jennings, Finley, and Jordy around him that is a nice threat to have and open more stuff up.

Top pick at WR for me though is Greg Little....missed this season so he will fall down the boards a little (well we will see how he tests first) but like Mike Williams in Tampa and Bryant in Dallas he will be one of the biggest steals in the draft even if it is at 32 or in the 2nd round. Guy is scary, Size, Speed, Power, and etc.

Here is just one highlight video but I think some of you will understand what I am talking about. He is pretty good ha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRKB-KIQMg4

Favre4ever
02-09-2011, 07:31 PM
I like Cobb a lot, he has that do it all ability that made me fall in love with McCluster but he comes in a bigger package at 6'0 200 (I think). Torrey Smith is a guy that I like a bunch also big, Strong and just pure explosive, will test like Vernon Davis, DHB and likely be gone but he would be a nice pick at 32. (Smith>DHB, can catch and take some hits) Plus can't forget Titus Young, any WR with good hands and a so called 4.2 40 has to be an option. He is a little thin but I think he is a Mike Wallace type that will just make big plays down the field..... with Jennings, Finley, and Jordy around him that is a nice threat to have and open more stuff up.

Top pick at WR for me though is Greg Little....missed this season so he will fall down the boards a little (well we will see how he tests first) but like Mike Williams in Tampa and Bryant in Dallas he will be one of the biggest steals in the draft even if it is at 32 or in the 2nd round. Guy is scary, Size, Speed, Power, and etc.

Here is just one highlight video but I think some of you will understand what I am talking about. He is pretty good ha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRKB-KIQMg4
My oh my...BEAST!

J-Mike88
02-09-2011, 09:34 PM
I like the looks of those guys, and Ted has brought in some good talent at WR. He can evaluate that position well:

-Jennings
-Jones
-Jordy

He also drafted Murphy, who might have been better than Jordy or Jones had he not gotten the neck thing.

But one thing you have to pay attention to is the quality of person. All these guys are good people, from Donald on down. Really good people, high character, etc.

I don't know how we can know how good these guys are as people, but you can be 100% sure that TT will not take clowns, thug types.

If any of these guys (like Jennings) come from a pastor father, or are honor students or something, keep them on the list of potential prospects.

And: San Jose State. Western Michigan. San Diego State. Kansas State. Alcorn State (not TT draft).... we tend to not go after the big schools for this position.

I agree go WR for a guy who can be a return stud for his first 1-2 years while Donald plays out the string. But if we lose Jones, we really need a guy who can step in sooner.

FYI: we all remember Jones' drops and the big one on the Super Bowl. But Rodgers was 5-6 on his attempts to Jones. That's a nice %.

RyanBraun8
02-10-2011, 05:59 PM
5-6 is nice when the 1 missed isn't a wide open critical touchdown in the biggest Packer game in the last 14 years lol. He just terrifies me! He will make some great plays like in Atlanta but then he drops so many wide open, walk in TD's...I also can't forget the Bears game fumble. He is a roller coaster ride and while I like him and I know he wants to stay in GB (has his radio show, a house in De Pere, a chance to repeat) its hard to give him the money he will prob want when you have no clue what you are goin to get play after play. I like the guy, has a lot of passion, is a GB guy, confident, and good character but man he scares me.

RyanBraun8
02-10-2011, 06:29 PM
And: San Jose State. Western Michigan. San Diego State. Kansas State. Alcorn State (not TT draft).... we tend to not go after the big schools for this position.

Yeah here are some small school guys to watch for... I still consider ECU small after Holtz bailed on the for USF

Cecil Shorts from Mount Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfn3oxSbJ6A
* Pierre Garcon has worked out, guy looks talented

Dwayne Harris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzXpeP7Cj3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5G6CKegdWE&feature=related
*Dynmantic, Explosive, Strike Big at any moment but hands have been questioned

Edmond Gates form Abilene Christian,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs4BeSDwk0w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt5bxgVvOGkDwayne
*looks impressive, seems like he can burn and is pretty explosive.

Vincent Brown San Diego St.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIeiJj0Ljzg
*to me he looks like the guy who fits the mold the most. Great hands, he showed it at the senior bowl, looks to be a good route runner. Like I said when we drafted GJ, wow he looks a lot like a Driver 2.0 and watching Brown you can kind of get that also. I would not be shocked one bit if he ends up a Packer.

bigboiajhawk
02-11-2011, 05:27 PM
If the Packers draft any of these three guys for the 3-4 OLB I will be absolutely happy.

1) Justin Houston, UGA - Beast

2) Bruce Miller, UCF - Extremely underated as a prospect, could be the TT surprise pick of the year. I am thinking 2nd round Nick Collins or Mike Neal where you go "Who?"

3) Brooks Reed, Zona - I think a tad bit overated right now, probably because of his hair, but you have to love guys that play with passion and play to the whistle every play.



Here is a nice article on Bruce Miller:

http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/back-in-ga-miller-preps-for-nfl-1.2448324

And nice videos on Bruce Miller:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FABW6VvkrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t3nSjp7ub4&feature=related

princefielder28
02-11-2011, 05:40 PM
If the Packers draft any of these three guys for the 3-4 OLB I will be absolutely happy.

1) Justin Houston, UGA - Beast

2) Bruce Miller, UCF - Extremely underated as a prospect, could be the TT surprise pick of the year. I am thinking 2nd round Nick Collins or Mike Neal where you go "Who?"

3) Brooks Reed, Zona - I think a tad bit overated right now, probably because of his hair, but you have to love guys that play with passion and play to the whistle every play.

Bruce Miller put up some sick stats at Central but he's a late round hopeful more than someone who will be sniffing the second round.

When it comes to OLB prospect I see TT being a fan of Stanford's Thomas Keiser and Brooks Reed, like you have already listed.

bigboiajhawk
02-11-2011, 05:58 PM
Bruce Miller put up some sick stats at Central but he's a late round hopeful more than someone who will be sniffing the second round.

When it comes to OLB prospect I see TT being a fan of Stanford's Thomas Keiser and Brooks Reed, like you have already listed.

Forgot about Keiser, good call on that one..

Supposedly Keiser is a beast in the weight room, I did not really follow Stanford this year, I do know that they run a 3-4 Defense and Keiser was an OLB in it. His stats this year were a little disappointing on paper, but Clay didn't have great stats either at USC.


The Patriots worry me with their all their picks in the first 2 rounds this year, because guys like Keiser and Reed could easily be 2nd round picks.

CheeseKnuckles
02-11-2011, 08:41 PM
I just wanted to post here what I hope our first 3 rounds will looks like. Feel free to post your feelings, and throw any names out there you would like to see at those picks.

Rd. 1 : Offensive Line, ( Wisniewski, Pouncey, Carimi, Moffit, Castonzo, Cannon )

Rd. 2 : WR ( Smith, Cobb, Doss, Harris, Hankerson, Young )

Rd. 3 : OLB ( Moch, Foster, Reed, Acho )

J-Mike88
02-11-2011, 08:45 PM
That couldn't have gone in the specific Packer thread titled 2011 Draft?
Hello?
LOL

CheeseKnuckles
02-11-2011, 08:55 PM
No wonder this forum is so boring.... Lets put every single thread into one big thread so that no one knows what anyone is talking about anymore.

There is plenty of room for seperate threads. Some that offer different views and new conversations.

J-Mike88
02-12-2011, 07:57 AM
No wonder this forum is so boring.... Lets put every single thread into one big thread so that no one knows what anyone is talking about anymore.
Can't argue with that, but isn't a thread that's titled 2011 Draft pretty draft-specific of a title?
What else besides draft stuff would go in a thread titled 2011 Draft?

Super Bowl highlights?
Coaching news?
TV appearances by Packer players?
2011 schedule?

cvv84
02-12-2011, 02:56 PM
I don't really care what round we pick our needs in. My top 3 need areas are still OL, CB, and OLB.


Here's my position breakdown and how many new players I feel like we need at each position:

QB - 1
With Flynn emerging as a good backup who could potentially have some trade value, we need to get another late round signal caller in here to start to develop.

RB - 1
There's no reason for Grant not to be back and Starks give us a nice 1-2 punch. Jackson has became a very good 3rd down back but the Packers aren't going to overspend to keep him.

WR - 1
We have a top notch group of receivers and seem set for awhile at the position. However Jones may or may not return and Driver is really starting to fall off. Nelson could be a potential starter but Swain is replaceable.

TE - 0
Finley will be back heathly and Quarless is ahead of where Finley was at this point in his career. Crabtree provides descent depth while Lee will be looking elsewhere.

OL - 2
Spitz is more than likely gone while Colledge could be following him out the door as well. We need an upgrade at LG as well as another starting calibur OT. Sitton and Bulaga are the building blocks.

DL - 1
Pickett is solid and Raji is turning into one of the best nose tackles in the game. Jenkins is 50/50 to return and Neal could be his replacement. Green has shown some value, although he is in his 30s. Jolly could also return though we need to keep guys like Wilson and Wynn battling for jobs.

LB - 2
Alot of decisions to be made reguarding Hawk and Barnett. I'd like to see Hawk signed to a new deal while Barnett can go. Matthews and Bishop are locked in as core guys. Walden, Zombo, and Jones chould be replaced or at least challenged for jobs. Chillar is versitile and starting worthy if needed.

CB - 1
Tramon has developed into a shut down corner. Shields is following in his footsteps. Woodson, while aging, is still valuable and a leader in the locker room. Underwood and Lee have failed to develop while Bush is strickly special teams.

ST - 1
This could potentially be a kicker or kick returner. Crosby is descent but hasn't been as good as he was during his rookie season. A kick returner is a luxuary if you ask me, although it would be nice to have an electic returner for a change.

CheeseKnuckles
02-12-2011, 03:11 PM
Can't argue with that, but isn't a thread that's titled 2011 Draft pretty draft-specific of a title?
What else besides draft stuff would go in a thread titled 2011 Draft?

Super Bowl highlights?
Coaching news?
TV appearances by Packer players?
2011 schedule?



Your right, I'll add everything to its specific thread and then the forums will look all nice and neat.

umphrey
02-12-2011, 03:41 PM
I don't think we should replace Scott Wells. I've wanted it for a few years since he's small and doesn't get a good push but at this point he's spent too much time developing communication with Rodgers at making calls on the line. He never gets hurt either, that I remember. He might not be doing much to help our run game but he might be the unsung hero at why we are among the best at beating the blitz on pass plays.

J-Mike88
02-12-2011, 04:21 PM
The Patriots worry me with their all their picks in the first 2 rounds this year, because guys like Keiser and Reed could easily be 2nd round picks.
I expect Little Bill to invest heavily in the OLB area.
I think he'll take 2 OLBers with his first 5 picks.

He knows how badly he Eff'd up passing on Clay Matthews.
That's exactly what his team is missing.

We have him (draft day trades) to thank for Matthews and Jennings. I love that :)

Sportsfan486
02-12-2011, 04:37 PM
I just saw a mock that had us taking a DE.. Not a hybrid, a 3-4 end. I think it was McShay.

If we pick anything along the DL in the first 3, I'd be bummed out. Really feel like that's the one area that we simply don't need to address early, even if we lose Jenkins.

I wouldn't mind anything else. I'd love to see us get an OT. Would be happy with a WR or CB. Wouldn't mind an OLB or OG.

The more I think about it, the more I hope we trade Flynn. Let's face it. If Rodgers goes down, it's not like we're going to win the Super Bowl. I'd rather turn potentially a 2nd round pick into an asset then be more competitive in games we probably won't win if Rodgers gets hurt.

How awesome would it be if we resigned Jenkins, and turned Jolly and Flynn into an extra 2nd and 4th rounder?

CheeseKnuckles
02-12-2011, 06:01 PM
I don't think we should replace Scott Wells. I've wanted it for a few years since he's small and doesn't get a good push but at this point he's spent too much time developing communication with Rodgers at making calls on the line. He never gets hurt either, that I remember. He might not be doing much to help our run game but he might be the unsung hero at why we are among the best at beating the blitz on pass plays.

Yeah I agree with you about Wells, here probably is much more important then we realize. However drafting Wisniewski would provide us depth at both G and C. I think he is being projected as both.

cvv84
02-12-2011, 07:04 PM
If we lost Jenkins, which I think we will by choice, then getting Jolly back would be that much more important if you ask me. Provided he's in shape, he's a proven player who could rotate with Neal and Green.

bigboiajhawk
02-12-2011, 07:16 PM
I just saw a mock that had us taking a DE.. Not a hybrid, a 3-4 end. I think it was McShay.

If we pick anything along the DL in the first 3, I'd be bummed out. Really feel like that's the one area that we simply don't need to address early, even if we lose Jenkins.



I know that Kiper's pre conference championship mock draft had us taking Christian Ballard out of Iowa.

The thing about this year's draft is that the 3-4 DE is very strong at the top of the class and there are plenty of them. Guys like Cameron Heyward, Christian Ballard, Muhammad Wilkerson could all be there when the Pack makes their selection.

I would just love to see either Gabe Carimi or Justin Houston at 32. We draft either of those guys and I will be pretty happy with the draft.

GB12
02-12-2011, 07:22 PM
Your right, I'll add everything to its specific thread and then the forums will look all nice and neat.
Good thinking. I'll do it for you.

bigboiajhawk
02-12-2011, 07:28 PM
Good thinking. I'll do it for you.

LOL, thank you

umphrey
02-12-2011, 09:36 PM
Is it just me or is Gabe Carimi just Chad Clifton 10 years ago?

GB12
02-12-2011, 09:38 PM
Is it just me or is Gabe Carimi just Chad Clifton 10 years ago?

Probably just you. I don't think Clifton is a good comparison for him at all. Carimi is better at run blocking and not quite the pass protector that Chad is.

senormysterioso
02-12-2011, 09:50 PM
Clifton has always been more of a technician, Carimi is a straight up mauler.

jackalope
02-12-2011, 10:02 PM
No need to replace Wells; the guy is smart and reliable. I can't remember the last time he made a bad snap.

GB12
02-12-2011, 10:13 PM
No need to replace Wells; the guy is smart and reliable. I can't remember the last time he made a bad snap.

I've always liked Wells. I think he's proved his worth this year too. The one problem with him is, like most of our line, he doesn't get much of a push in the run game. That does get frustrating, but otherwise he's solid.

bigboiajhawk
02-14-2011, 05:41 AM
First super early mock draft of the year:

I am assuming that both Carimi and Justin Houston have been drafted already.

1) Stefan Wisniewski, G/C, PSU - We should not resign Colledge as he is a terrible run blocker and is just adequate at pass pro. Wisniewski is another "bloodline" kind of guy that should be good enough to start from Day 1.

2) Jurrell Casey, DE, USC - Play NT at USC, the Packers can do what the Pats did when they started their dynasty, they built their DL with monsters. The Packers new DL will be young and powerful.

3) Bruce Miller, OLB, UCF - This is a guy I really want to see the Packers draft, he will probably be in all of my mocks as I don't see Justin Houston reaching us at 32. I think he has all the intagibles TT is looking for and he looks to be a pretty good athlete.

4) Joseph Barksdale, OT, LSU - Good athlete, versatile enough to play G or T. Good run blocker.

5) Tejay Johnson, S, TCU - Backup to Nick C.

6) Jock Sanders, WR, WVU - Good Return guy, and can also play WR

7) Mitch Mustain, QB, USC - Definite Project but could be worth it because he has talent. He did just get arrested but being a 7th round pick what is there to lose.

umphrey
02-14-2011, 03:41 PM
Probably just you. I don't think Clifton is a good comparison for him at all. Carimi is better at run blocking and not quite the pass protector that Chad is.
I was thinking about his violent hand use/initial punch, Clifton's ability to move people earlier in his career, knee issues, intelligent player, similar but not identical build. I agree that Carimi is more of a mauler but Clifton had that quality a little bit earlier in his career.

TimmG6376
02-15-2011, 02:43 PM
I think somewhere in rounds 1-3 we need to look at a CB (the struggles of Underwood and Lee have been discussed at length), however, if I'm Capers this is what I do next season:

Assuming Shields continues his progression the base defense features Shields & Tramon at CB with Woodson at SS and Collins at FS. This keeps CWood on the field in base, but doesn't require him to cover WRs on the outside (where most agree he's lost a step). At SS he can still be brought down into the box to be used as a blitzer and shutdown opposing TEs. When the defense shifts to nickel Woodson moves into the slot and Peprah/Burnett replace him at SS. So the nickel package pretty much stays the same as it was this season, but I think the base defense would be even better in that scenario.

bigboiajhawk
02-16-2011, 09:42 AM
Looking at Scott's new mock, he has us taking Aaron Williams, CB, Texas. I really don't like Williams as a pro prospect, so this pick doesn't do much for me. I really don't think TT will invest a 1st rounder in a CB as he will want Shields to develop and Wood has probably 2 years like this past season left in him. If the Packers were to draft a CB with their first pick, I would rather have them trade down and draft Brandon Burton in the 2nd round or Chimdi Chekwa or Marcus Gilchrist in the 3rd or 4th round.

umphrey
02-17-2011, 12:42 PM
I was surprised at how well Pat Lee played in the Super Bowl. He didn't make any plays, but I don't think I heard his name ever, which says a lot. I know he was on the field quite a bit in the second half. This was pretty much his rookie year since he spent his first 2 rehabbing so there might actually be something there. He looked terrible in preseason, as did Underwood. Right now it looks like

note: #1-#3 are starters and pretty much equals
#1 Tramon Williams
#2 Charles Woodson
#3 Sam Shields

#4 Patrick Lee
#5 Jarrett Bush
#6 Brandon Underwood

In that space between 3 and 4, Morgan Burnett might be a good play. He's athletic and plays well in zone which is what dime is going to be. I think we kept 6 CBs most of last year, so we would have 2 spots for Bush, Underwood, and competition. Underwood is holding on to a roster spot by shoelaces at this point. Bush would be worth keeping around as the only one with any experience on the back end and because he's done well at times on special teams, but if we can get a #4 that's dependable then cut Bush and get someone with potential.

CheeseKnuckles
02-17-2011, 05:20 PM
I was surprised at how well Pat Lee played in the Super Bowl. He didn't make any plays, but I don't think I heard his name ever, which says a lot. I know he was on the field quite a bit in the second half. This was pretty much his rookie year since he spent his first 2 rehabbing so there might actually be something there. He looked terrible in preseason, as did Underwood. Right now it looks like

note: #1-#3 are starters and pretty much equals
#1 Tramon Williams
#2 Charles Woodson
#3 Sam Shields

#4 Patrick Lee
#5 Jarrett Bush
#6 Brandon Underwood

In that space between 3 and 4, Morgan Burnett might be a good play. He's athletic and plays well in zone which is what dime is going to be. I think we kept 6 CBs most of last year, so we would have 2 spots for Bush, Underwood, and competition. Underwood is holding on to a roster spot by shoelaces at this point. Bush would be worth keeping around as the only one with any experience on the back end and because he's done well at times on special teams, but if we can get a #4 that's dependable then cut Bush and get someone with potential.

If anyone is getting cut it will be Underwood or Lee... Bush will not get cut, his teammates voted him as a captain during the playoffs and he is bascially our best special teams player.

J-Mike88
02-17-2011, 09:25 PM
Kiper's latest mock is music to my eyes.

I can't post the whole draft, but this is what he said for us at 32:
* Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia

We know the Packers are set at one outside linebacker position. The question now is whom they can get to provide pressure and matchup problems on the other side. Houston has the ideal frame, quickness and pass-rushing skills to develop into a rusher who can give Dom Capers all kinds of options in terms of how he attacks opposing quarterbacks. Remember: As long as the Green Bay offense is as good as it is, the Packers must prepare for opposing teams to be throwing a lot as they play catch-up. Houston fits the system nicely.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft2.0

bigboiajhawk
02-17-2011, 10:51 PM
Houston will get snagged by the Jets, that is if he even makes it that far. I would be completely okay with TT trading up though and making sure he selects Houston. He would come in day one and most likely be the guy. However, TT might also like for Jones, Zombo, Walden to duke it out and maybe add a mid round OLB in this years draft, competition does help develop players.

I think Houston could fly up the draft charts with a great combine.

umphrey
02-20-2011, 01:15 PM
We have a lot of options at OLB but pretty much nothing at offensive tackle. It's Clifton or bust (or Clifton's knees bust). Walden, Jones, Zombo, one can get hurt and one can suck and we still have the position covered with 2 backups Poppinga and Chillar.

J-Mike88
02-20-2011, 01:15 PM
I saw this somewhere else, but it cracked me up (his final sentence).
#32 Green Bay Packers: Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College

The Packers are a tough team to do mock draft for. They have very few needs, and the best players available don't necessarily satisfy those needs.

The one exception could be Anthony Castonzo. Yes, Green Bay drafted an offensive tackle a year ago, but the team needs a successor for Chad Clifton. Plus, Castonzo fits the blocking scheme and appearance that the Packers look for in their offensive linemen.

bigboiajhawk
02-21-2011, 12:25 PM
What are your guys thoughts about drafting a DE in Round 1?

I think the only way the Packers do it is if a guy like Heyward from OSU is there, or maybe a guy like Muhammad Wilkerson from Temple. I know Kiper at one point had Ballard out of Iowa at one point, but I just don't think he is a natural 3-4 DE.

I would love to see Stephen Paea fall, kinda doubt he will, but he is just a beast.

CheeseKnuckles
02-21-2011, 02:00 PM
If Heyward or Watt fall to us I would be happy. Watt especially because of his relentless motor.

princefielder28
02-21-2011, 02:16 PM
I would have no problem with taking a 3-4 end in round, especially if Cullen is not brought back...

realistic options at that point

Cameron Heyward
Muhammad Wilkerson
Allen Bailey
Christian Ballard

I would prefer Wilkerson over any of the other options at the end position

GB12
02-21-2011, 03:37 PM
If Cullen Jenkins is brought back, absolutely not. If we lose Jenkins I'll open up a bit to the idea, but still don't want one. I'm confident in our defensive line play without Jenkins. I think he's one of the best 3-4 DEs in the game and definitely want him back, but at the same time I know we can do alright without him or a first round DE. BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett have two of the three line spots on lockdown. Between Howard Green, Mike Neal, CJ Wilson, Jarius Wynn, and maybe Johnny Jolly we can cover that last spot just fine. For the last four games of the season we were alright without Jenkins, plus he only played 44% of snaps in the postseason, and that was also without Neal and Jolly. Our defensive line is very strong, and we don't need to spend another first on the position. I'd take a RB in the first before a DL.

tjsunstein
02-21-2011, 03:49 PM
Not keen on the idea of any DL in the first, either.

CheeseKnuckles
02-21-2011, 04:45 PM
If Cullen Jenkins is brought back, absolutely not. If we lose Jenkins I'll open up a bit to the idea, but still don't want one. I'm confident in our defensive line play without Jenkins. I think he's one of the best 3-4 DEs in the game and definitely want him back, but at the same time I know we can do alright without him or a first round DE. BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett have two of the three line spots on lockdown. Between Howard Green, Mike Neal, CJ Wilson, Jarius Wynn, and maybe Johnny Jolly we can cover that last spot just fine. For the last four games of the season we were alright without Jenkins, plus he only played 44% of snaps in the postseason, and that was also without Neal and Jolly. Our defensive line is very strong, and we don't need to spend another first on the position. I'd take a RB in the first before a DL.


Mikel LeShoure not going to lie looks like a damn good running back... unless its him RB can wait till later rounds if we were to pick one.

GB12
02-21-2011, 04:50 PM
I agree that RB can wait until later. I really don't want a RB in the first, but I'd want a DL in the first even less. DL can wait too, I wouldn't even draft a DL at all if Jenkins is brought back.

CheeseKnuckles
02-21-2011, 05:10 PM
It all depends on who falls I guess... I sort of want a new playermaker at WR to give Rodgers more options and also so we can use the 5 wide set more often. If James Jones is back which I think he will be, then Swain needs to go. He produces on special teams, but I think we can upgrade the WR postion.

OLB or OG/C works for me also.

cvv84
02-21-2011, 05:54 PM
It all depends on who falls I guess... I sort of want a new playermaker at WR to give Rodgers more options and also so we can use the 5 wide set more often. If James Jones is back which I think he will be, then Swain needs to go. He produces on special teams, but I think we can upgrade the WR postion.

OLB or OG/C works for me also.

Baldwin would look nice if he lasts that long. I 100% agreed with Bulaga over Dez Bryant last year but just imagine him on our offense.

I doubt that we take a WR though. I can see Jones leaving, Driver taking a reduced 3rd WR role, and Nelson emerging and a surefire starter. We still need to draft another WR though and someone with speed could really help on offense.

CheeseKnuckles
02-21-2011, 07:12 PM
Not sure I like Baldwin... I've read some posts and what not saying he is a bit of a diva. I could be wrong though. I think I like Torrey Smith, Titus Young/Austin Pettis, and Lenard Hankerson more.

As far as later rounds I think I like Jernigan, Dwayne Harris, Randall Cobb, and Vincent Brown.

princefielder28
02-21-2011, 07:21 PM
Not sure I like Baldwin... I've read some posts and what not saying he is a bit of a diva. I could be wrong though. I think I like Torrey Smith, Titus Young/Austin Pettis, and Lenard Hankerson more.

As far as later rounds I think I like Jernigan, Dwayne Harris, Randall Cobb, and Vincent Brown.

Baldwin has plenty of character question marks, type of player the Packers avoid

Jernigan and Cobb look like they'll draw plenty of interest in the first two rounds so i don't see them being later round options at receiver...Brown would be a nice addition though

johbur
02-21-2011, 11:18 PM
IF the choice was defense, which position would you want addressed in R1?

GB12
02-21-2011, 11:32 PM
OLB, no question. I really don't see how you could say otherwise.

CheeseKnuckles
02-22-2011, 12:32 PM
CB or OLB... I know the CB would be 4th on the depth chart, but I love the idea of bringing in a talented CB to learn under Woodson for a couple more years. I mean we have seen what he has done to help guys like Williams, Shields, and even Bush. ( When Bush made that INT in the Super Bowl he said he recognized it from studying film ) Who do you think has been teaching these guys how to study film and how to be a true professional.

But yeah CB or OLB work for me.

Sportsfan486
02-22-2011, 08:50 PM
OLB, no question. I really don't see how you could say otherwise.

I'd put CB there, too. You could say CB would be the way to go because Jones/Walden/etc.. are serviceable as the 2nd OLB but our #4 corner (who will see the field a decent amount and need to develop into starter quality) is absolutely terrible.

That said, I don't like either Williams or Harris and those are the two CBs that will be in our range.

I like Kerrigan, Ayers, and Houston, though. I still can't help but feel like our pick is going to be Jon Baldwin or Titus Young. Carimi, Ayers or Houston would make me happiest.

CheeseKnuckles
02-23-2011, 09:37 AM
I really feel WR is a big possibility at #32... I think MM and TT would have really like to take Dez last year, but knew taking Buluga was a must. This year I think they pull the trigger on a new WR for Rodgers.

Sportsfan486
02-23-2011, 04:50 PM
I really feel WR is a big possibility at #32... I think MM and TT would have really like to take Dez last year, but knew taking Buluga was a must. This year I think they pull the trigger on a new WR for Rodgers.

The only thing making me a bit iffy is the history of us picking WRs in the 2nd or 3rd and getting more value. It's worked out great for us. A guy like Titus Young, Jerrel Jernigan or even Edmund Gates. Edmund Gates is a guy I really like and he fits our bill for the type of WR we like to draft. He also has potential as a returnman. Might be a bit of a reach in the 2nd but considering it's pick #32 of the second and there's a good chance he'll be gone by that pick in the 3rd.. I'd love for us to snap him up.

OLB, WR, OT as our first three would make me quite happy.

CheeseKnuckles
02-23-2011, 05:32 PM
The only thing making me a bit iffy is the history of us picking WRs in the 2nd or 3rd and getting more value. It's worked out great for us. A guy like Titus Young, Jerrel Jernigan or even Edmund Gates. Edmund Gates is a guy I really like and he fits our bill for the type of WR we like to draft. He also has potential as a returnman. Might be a bit of a reach in the 2nd but considering it's pick #32 of the second and there's a good chance he'll be gone by that pick in the 3rd.. I'd love for us to snap him up.

OLB, WR, OT as our first three would make me quite happy.

I'm not as high on Jernigan anymore, but the other two I like. Another guy I am starting to like in the 3rd is Vincent Brown out of SDSU, he fits the Packers reciever mold.

Sportsfan486
02-23-2011, 05:49 PM
I'm not as high on Jernigan anymore, but the other two I like. Another guy I am starting to like in the 3rd is Vincent Brown out of SDSU, he fits the Packers reciever mold.

I like Brown as well. Jernigan isn't my favorite guy and doesn't really fit our system as well as the other 3 guys, but he has great potential as a returnman. Definitely would be a reach in the 2nd for us, though, and I'd prefer one of the other guys (including Brown.)

umphrey
02-23-2011, 09:04 PM
It must have been tough for us to pass on Michael Crabtree and Dez Bryant in consecutive years. Had to be done though. I don't know if we are picking 32 this year with Bryant and not Bulaga.

PACKmanN
02-23-2011, 09:23 PM
i really want to see Marcus Cannon, Rodney Hudson, Kevin Kowalski(Wells' future replacement), Joseph Barksdale on the team.

Also for OLB, names like Jeremy Beal is a name i like

i haven't invested any time into this year's draft, but those are some of the names i like.

J-Mike88
02-23-2011, 10:49 PM
It must have been tough for us to pass on Michael Crabtree and Dez Bryant in consecutive years. Had to be done though. I don't know if we are picking 32 this year with Bryant and not Bulaga.
True, but let me ask you all this:
As we have seen so many times at the WR position with marquee WRs from big top schools like USC, Florida, Michigan St, etc not turning into studs as expected, but smaller school WRs like Jennings, Jerry Rice, etc..... the question is were Crabtree and Bryant really that great, or was it a lot of the passing offense in the wacky shootout Big 12 that produced all those stats and got them overrated? I don't think Crabtree is anything special at all.

Dex has greatness in him, but still not a TT Packer type of guy.

We won't know what's happening with James Jones and FA until the draft has come & gone right?

CheeseKnuckles
02-23-2011, 11:22 PM
I am really glad we passes on both of the guys.... Crabtree has done what so far in his career??? Not to mention both are divaish recievers.

Right now before the combine starts I would like our 1st 3 picks to looks like this.

RD1 Brooks Reed
RD2 Danny Watkins
RD3 Vincent Brown

I really want to see how Reed turns out at the combine. If he displays some of the quickness and explosion of some good pass rushers such as Orakpo and Matthews. If his numbers are similar to theirs, I like him at 32.

J-Mike88
02-24-2011, 07:20 PM
Who here has seen a lot of Niles Paul?
Thoughts on him, mostly as a return guy.

I want a WR who takes 2 or 3 years to be ready to start, but in the meantime, gives us a Josh Cribbs or Devin Hester for once, as a dangerous return stud. Tramon's too important as a CB, plus he lets the ball land half the time. Nobody knows how to KR on our roster.

Hester still sucks as a WR after trying for 4 years to make him into one, but he's still a game-changer as a PR. Let's get a guy like that.... guy doesn't need to be ready as a WR immediately, but can boost our return game.

I gotta study up on Niles Paul. What a strange name. Niles. Paul. Which is the first name? Paul Niles?

Here's some highlights of Mister Niles.
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He seems like a pretty good guy! Not a criminal like too many are, or a diva like a lot of WRs are. That's something that TT does a great job of... Jennings, Jordy, Jones are all good people. This guy seems like he'd fit in. Seems like a smart, good dude, a true Packer person. But I don't know anything else other than these interviews and highlights. Being of low character, eliminates them from TTs board.
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drowe
02-25-2011, 06:47 AM
OLB if the value is there. Ryan Kerrigan has been my pipe dream lately. But, we all know we're not going to reach for position.

I love Titus Young. I wouldn't be unhappy if he was the guy at 32. Reminds me of Donald Driver. A lot. And, could be the returner we've been wanting.