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ny10804
03-18-2007, 10:53 PM
OK, here's the idea, someone names a player (name, age, position, team, w/e), and someone else says how much they think they're worth in terms of a draft pick.
Chad Clifton, 30, LT, Green Bay
neko4
03-18-2007, 11:09 PM
OK, here's the idea, someone names a player (name, age, position, team, w/e), and someone else says how much they think they're worth in terms of a draft pick.
Chad Clifton, 30, LT, Green Bay
Solid 1st rounder, he is 30 and has some mileage but is still very good.
Next:
Ladell Betts HB 28
http://media.hamptonroads.com/images/sports/bettsbig.jpg
RaiderNation
03-18-2007, 11:13 PM
Solid 1st rounder, he is 30 and has some mileage but is still very good.
Next:
Ladell Betts HB 28
http://media.hamptonroads.com/images/sports/bettsbig.jpg
a 4th or 3rd since hes 28. if he was young hed be worth more
next
Randy Moss WR 30
http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsportrandymossraiders.jpg
neko4
03-18-2007, 11:15 PM
a 4th or 3rd since hes 28. if he was young hed be worth more
next
Randy Moss WR 30
http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsportrandymossraiders.jpg
3rd-4th, problems with attitude and is getting older
http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Kabeer-Gbaja-Biamila--C10201685.jpeg
MP123
03-18-2007, 11:29 PM
KGB 4th or 5th rounder because he's declining fast.
MP123
03-18-2007, 11:30 PM
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, LT, age 23
49ersfan_87
03-18-2007, 11:32 PM
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, LT, age 23
Unproven at this point. Id say a 2nd rounder but if he reaches his potential easily a first for a while.
Justin Smiley, G, age 25
http://www.profilessports.com/images/thumbnails/SmileyJustin65.jpg
Unproven at this point. Id say a 2nd rounder but if he reaches his potential easily a first for a while.
that's ridiculous. the #4 overall pick who played WELL last year has declined an entire round in value? that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
that's ridiculous. the #4 overall pick who played WELL last year has declined an entire round in value? that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
Yeah, I have only agreed with one in the whole thread.
cardsalltheway
03-18-2007, 11:38 PM
Chad Clifton for a first rounder?:eek:
Yeah, I have only agreed with one in the whole thread.
yeah... i mean, i expected people to over value their own players in ridiculous ways, and i even sort of expected people to bring up ridiculous players that aren't relevant in any way whatsoever... but that was just awful.
49ersfan_87
03-18-2007, 11:40 PM
that's ridiculous. the #4 overall pick who played WELL last year has declined an entire round in value? that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
I wouldnt give up a first rounder, at this point. I heard he had problems with speed rushers.
I wouldnt give up a first rounder, at this point.
*49er fans everywhere rejoice that you are not their GM*
that's because you apparently have no concept of player value.
49ersfan_87
03-18-2007, 11:42 PM
*49er fans everywhere rejoice that you are not their GM*
that's because you apparently have no concept of player value.
Thats fine, i dont pretend to be a professional.
Thats fine, i dont pretend to be a professional.
neither do most users here. they just exhibit some degree of common sense.
HawkeyeFan
03-18-2007, 11:47 PM
Unproven at this point. Id say a 2nd rounder but if he reaches his potential easily a first for a while.
Justin Smiley, G, age 25
http://www.profilessports.com/images/thumbnails/SmileyJustin65.jpg
4th Rounder, hasn't proved anything yet as you said.
http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0906/nfl_g_jackson_275.jpg
49ersfan_87
03-18-2007, 11:48 PM
neither do most users here. they just exhibit some degree of common sense.
I wont give up a first round pick just because of where they were picked. He hasnt been spectacular. He didnt fare too well in the game i saw him, against buffalo. I dont know how he fared in the other games, but id rather get mcneil.
http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0906/nfl_g_jackson_275.jpg
top 3 pick, but who cares?
HawkeyeFan
03-18-2007, 11:52 PM
I was just going with the thread.
I wont give up a first round pick just because of where they were picked. He hasnt been spectacular. He didnt fare too well in the game i saw him, against buffalo. I dont know how he fared in the other games, but id rather get mcneil.
so you wouldn't give up a first round pick for bush? he wasn't really spectacular all year. neither was cutler. or 99% of the first round last year. but he's a franchise left tackle who played well enough to justify belief that he will become a great LT. but hey, might as well pick-up levi jones instead. i'm sure he'll be light years better, especially as a rookie. and just because you'd rather get mcneill doesn't mean they can't *gasp* BOTH be worth a first round pick.
I was just going with the thread.
i figured you would've found someone on that team who might be traded, i'm sure there are a few.
regoob2
03-18-2007, 11:55 PM
What about Tommie Harris, he might be tough for us to resign
neko4
03-18-2007, 11:56 PM
Yeah, I have only agreed with one in the whole thread.
ooo was it mine????:)
HawkeyeFan
03-18-2007, 11:57 PM
Oh ok, my bad.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2003-11/10166481.jpg
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235032
Jeremitrus Butler
49ersfan_87
03-19-2007, 12:00 AM
so you wouldn't give up a first round pick for bush? he wasn't really spectacular all year. neither was cutler. or 99% of the first round last year. but he's a franchise left tackle who played well enough to justify belief that he will become a great LT. but hey, might as well pick-up levi jones instead. i'm sure he'll be light years better, especially as a rookie. and just because you'd rather get mcneill doesn't mean they can't *gasp* BOTH be worth a first round pick.
Of course he can be worth a first round pick. I never disputed that. I just wouldnt spend it. To be traded for a first round pick, you need production, not potential. Ferguson played well, but he didnt play elite. Thats not a knock on him, i just wouldnt spend a first round pick yet.
neko4
03-19-2007, 12:02 AM
Of course he can be worth a first round pick. I never disputed that. I just wouldnt spend it. To be traded for a first round pick, you need production, not potential. Ferguson played well, but he didnt play elite. Thats not a knock on him, i just wouldnt spend a first round pick yet.
Then the Giants are stupid for getting Eli
And Butler 3rd-5th
ny10804
03-19-2007, 12:02 AM
Of course he can be worth a first round pick. I never disputed that. I just wouldnt spend it. To be traded for a first round pick, you need production, not potential. Ferguson played well, but he didnt play elite. Thats not a knock on him, i just wouldnt spend a first round pick yet.
I agree. I mean, why even have a draft?
49ersfan_87
03-19-2007, 12:06 AM
I agree. I mean, why even have a draft?
I said TRADED for.
49ersfan_87
03-19-2007, 12:07 AM
Then the Giants are stupid for getting Eli
And Butler 3rd-5th
For what they gave up, yes.
ooo was it mine????:)
Nope
mmmmmmm
ny10804
03-19-2007, 12:15 AM
I said TRADED for.
If you wouldn't trade a 1st rounder for a 2nd year player who's proved to be an above-average player in his rookie season, whom you would otherwise have selected as a 1st rounder, it defeats the purpose of that draft pick and thus the draft.
49ersfan_87
03-19-2007, 12:19 AM
If you wouldn't trade a 1st rounder for a 2nd year player who's proved to be an above-average player in his rookie season, whom you would otherwise have selected as a 1st rounder, it defeats the purpose of that draft pick and thus the draft.
No. I would look at the draft, see what players are available at the position, and see if they had higher ceilings. I trade for production only. Besides, you would have to wonder, why would that team be trading their first round pick away after 1 year? If theyre willing to give up on a first rounder after 1 year, isnt that a major red flag?
MP123
03-19-2007, 12:27 AM
What about Tommie Harris, he might be tough for us to resign
First round value without a doubt.
ny10804
03-19-2007, 10:45 AM
Ray Lewis, 31, MLB, Ravens
princefielder28
03-19-2007, 10:48 AM
Ray Lewis, 31, MLB, Ravens
Late 1st round, not the force he use to be but he's still good
Space Ghost
03-19-2007, 03:38 PM
Takeo Spikes?
princefielder28
03-19-2007, 03:39 PM
Takeo Spikes?
Early Day 2 pick due to his injuries
Space Ghost
03-19-2007, 03:51 PM
Early Day 2 pick due to his injuries
I was thinking about a 4th round pick probably.
gbpackers0065
03-19-2007, 03:57 PM
Tully Banta-Cain?
jetsfan3
03-19-2007, 04:54 PM
Oh ok, my bad.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2003-11/10166481.jpg
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235032
Jeremitrus Butler
A 7th.
http://www.101kidz.com/cards/pictures/peytonmanning/2.jpg
ny10804
03-19-2007, 05:01 PM
Tully Banta-Cain?
A late 5th, early 6th.
Peyton: 1st overall pick of the draft and then some.
Donovan McNabb, 30, QB, Eagles
Shiver
03-19-2007, 05:58 PM
#1 overall
Brian Westbrook...
slightlyaraiderfan
03-19-2007, 06:02 PM
#1 overall
Brian Westbrook...
Still can't let it go? :)
#1 overall
Brian Westbrook...
Top 5 pick
Micheal Vick...
BUSTKUNTLAWL
03-19-2007, 06:12 PM
Top 5 pick
Micheal Vick...
Top 5 for Westbrook? WTF?
Not denying his talent. He's a very good back, but hasn't shown to be very durable over his career.. That is absurd.
Vick, honestly early 2nd.. I'm sure a team would give a 1st if they were picking towards the bottom, but around early 2 is about right imo. I would probably be okay with the Bears giving away there 1st for Vick.
Shiver
03-19-2007, 06:13 PM
Still can't let it go? :)
What?:confused:
Top 5 for Westbrook? WTF?
Not denying his talent. He's a very good back, but hasn't shown to be very durable over his career.. That is absurd.
Vick, honestly early 2nd.. I'm sure a team would give a 1st if they were picking towards the bottom, but around early 2 is about right imo. I would probably be okay with the Bears giving away there 1st for Vick.
Yea I guess you could question his durabilty but he is such a threat in the passing game and the running game. Plus he's only getting better, correct me if i'm wrong but he had his best year ever last year.
Splat
03-19-2007, 06:21 PM
Larry Johnson?
bearsfan_51
03-19-2007, 06:31 PM
What about Tommie Harris, he might be tough for us to resign
Ok....
#1)We're going to resign Tommie Harris. Period. He's the 2nd best player on our team and has two years left on his contract. You know not what you speak of.
#2)He's worth a high 1st. He's one of the best defensive tackles in the league, a premium position, and he's very young.
On a side note as it relates to the rest of the thread, some of you have no ******* idea what you're talking about. I know that I'm a know-it-all, but come on.....
Not to mention that the thread stated to list variables about the player (a very good idea) and not a single person has done that as of yet.
MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-19-2007, 06:57 PM
At this point, if my team needed a LT, I would without a doubt trade my first rounder if I had no shot at Joe Thomas. Maybe even if I did.
princefielder28
03-19-2007, 06:59 PM
At this point, if my team needed a LT, I would without a doubt trade my first rounder if I had no shot at Joe Thomas. Maybe even if I did.
So you're telling me that if you needed a LT and Thomas was there that you might still trade that pick away? Makes no sense whatsoever
ny10804
03-19-2007, 08:51 PM
Alright, lets try to start this up again sensibly:
Chad Clifton, LT
30 years old
- had surgery on knee prior to this season
- very durable, the only injuries that have cause him to miss games were: the flu, and getting blindsided 30 yards away from the ball by a 300 pound defensive tackle
AlexDown
03-19-2007, 09:02 PM
D'Brick 2nd round?
Westbrook top 5?
Yikes....
How about......
Deangelo Hall
TheChampIsHere
03-20-2007, 01:42 AM
This argument is getting beyond ridiculous
D'Brick 2nd round?
Westbrook top 5?
Yikes....
How about......
Deangelo Hall
Deangelo Hall, early to mid first rounder, hard to find a great corner in the league, and still young.
For a player who actually might be traded....
Michael Turner RB, SD
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