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shylo3716
09-17-2010, 02:54 PM
How big is Patrick Peterson really? Scott Wright has him slated @ 6'1'' 222 in his mock & that seems unheard of for a CB.

tjsunstein
09-17-2010, 03:07 PM
Come on, man. Do some research.

LSU Sports (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1382573) has him listed at 6'1 222 lbs.
Scout.com (http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2930957) has him listed at 6'1 197 lbs. coming out of high school.
ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=382702) has him listed at 6'1 222 lbs.

I would pull more links but they're from other draft sites. 6'1 222lbs. is about where he is. He may come in a little lighter, a little heavier at the combine but not by 3 pounds either way if I had to guess. His height is legit.

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 03:56 PM
Come on, man. Do some research.

LSU Sports (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1382573) has him listed at 6'1 222 lbs.
Scout.com (http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2930957) has him listed at 6'1 197 lbs. coming out of high school.
ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=382702) has him listed at 6'1 222 lbs.

I would pull more links but they're from other draft sites. 6'1 222lbs. is about where he is. He may come in a little lighter, a little heavier at the combine but not by 3 pounds either way if I had to guess. His height is legit.

You don't have to rip my head off man. I asked because, on this other site I go to for fairly accurate measurebles, the have him at 6'1'' 211. I would love for him to keep that 222lb frame & translate it over to the NFL. The only thing is coaches have a knack for converting larger CB's over to FS/SS & I would hate to see that happen, because he's a true shutdown CB.

BeerBaron
09-17-2010, 04:01 PM
You don't have to rip my head off man. I asked because, on this other site I go to for fairly accurate measurebles, the have him at 6'1'' 211. I would love for him to keep that 222lb frame & translate it over to the NFL. The only thing is coaches have a knack for converting larger CB's over to FS/SS & I would hate to see that happen, because he's a true shutdown CB.

Well, most of the time that conversion happens because bigger college corners tend to also be slow.....obviously not the case for PP.

Babylon
09-17-2010, 04:09 PM
Come on, man. Do some research.

LSU Sports (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1382573) has him listed at 6'1 222 lbs.
Scout.com (http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2930957) has him listed at 6'1 197 lbs. coming out of high school.
ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=382702) has him listed at 6'1 222 lbs.

I would pull more links but they're from other draft sites. 6'1 222lbs. is about where he is. He may come in a little lighter, a little heavier at the combine but not by 3 pounds either way if I had to guess. His height is legit.

What do you get out of that research but more confusion i would say. I think his measurables are off the chart, probably is going to be in the 6-0 210 range with 4.4 speed. Can he cover with the best of them would be my question, measurables are all world.

fenikz
09-17-2010, 04:29 PM
If you watched him play you know he could, and I think 6'1 220 is legit

BeerBaron
09-17-2010, 04:33 PM
If you watched him play you know he could, and I think 6'1 220 is legit

Agreed. He looks like a strong safety and runs like a corner. I'd be shocked if he wasn't closer to 220 than 210.

Werowance
09-17-2010, 04:34 PM
Damn, I thought he was 210. A 220 pound CB who can run a 4.3 and is still super fluid? Jeez. I maintain the thought that Peterson could play any secondary spot at an all-pro level, this guy is going to be this generations Deion Sanders or Dick "Night Train" Lane. Peterson out of this world good.

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 04:39 PM
Damn, I thought he was 210. A 220 pound CB who can run a 4.3 and is still super fluid? Jeez. I maintain the thought that Peterson could play any secondary spot at an all-pro level, this guy is going to be this generations Deion Sanders or Dick "Night Train" Lane. Peterson out of this world good.

I thought the same thing even though he looks real diesel.

Babylon
09-17-2010, 04:46 PM
If you watched him play you know he could, and I think 6'1 220 is legit

Saw him play in person on a saturday night last year in Seattle, i think i've seen enough of him.

fenikz
09-17-2010, 04:46 PM
then why ask unnecessary questions

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 04:48 PM
Saw him play in person on a saturday night last year in Seattle, i think i've seen enough of him.

What are you saying, you don't like him as a prospect? If so that's crazy!!!!!

Babylon
09-17-2010, 04:48 PM
then why ask unnecessary questions

Because covering college players and covering pros isnt the same thing, good to know there arent any unnecessary questions asked on this site.

Babylon
09-17-2010, 04:50 PM
What are you saying, you don't like him as a prospect? If so that's crazy!!!!!

Love him as a prospect, just want to see if he's a true cover guy or more of a physical freak,or both. Can we not question top players in here without getting jumped on?

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 04:55 PM
Love him as a prospect, just want to see if he's a true cover guy or more of a physical freak,or both. Can we not question top players in here without getting jumped on?

You're alright with me, but you tried to rip my head off for starting this thread.

Babylon
09-17-2010, 04:59 PM
You're alright with me, but you tried to rip my head off for starting this thread.

I'd suggest you go back and read who was on you about the thread.

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 05:09 PM
I'd suggest you go back and read who was on you about the thread.

My bad man

tjsunstein
09-17-2010, 05:29 PM
There was no ripping of the head going on but looking up someone's measurables is so easy. Anything than what the websites say is speculation anyway.

Don't take it personal.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-17-2010, 05:32 PM
The truth is that we all have the same sources and all you can do is estimate whether they look accurate based off how the player looks during a game. We won't know anything definitive until the combine, and even then we don't always see players at their typical game weight.

That said, 215-225 for Peterson doesn't seem that off.

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 05:49 PM
The truth is that we all have the same sources and all you can do is estimate whether they look accurate based off how the player looks during a game. We won't know anything definitive until the combine, and even then we don't always see players at their typical game weight.

That said, 215-225 for Peterson doesn't seem that off.

I NEVER seen a CB as big as him, he will revolutionize the game @ the position if he stays there in the NFL.

terribletowel39
09-17-2010, 05:51 PM
I NEVER seen a CB as big as him, he will revolutionize the game @ the position if he stays there in the NFL.
Bobby Taylor was a big man. So is Cromartie. And Nnamdi. They are all over 6'0 and over 210 lbs.

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 05:58 PM
Bobby Taylor was a big man. So is Cromartie. And Nnamdi. They are all over 6'0 and over 210 lbs.

Yea I remember Bobby I was just talking about him early this morning matter of fact. He was very tall 6'3'' if I remember right. When I mean I never seen a CB that big I'm talking about Peterson's weight 222lbs, that's phenomenal.

Saints-Tigers
09-17-2010, 06:01 PM
I NEVER seen a CB as big as him, he will revolutionize the game @ the position if he stays there in the NFL.


No, I hate that phrase.

He won't revolutionize the position because there just is never going to be a large amount of 220 pound CBs out there. Those guys get converted to the offensive side of the ball very early.

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 06:03 PM
No, I hate that phrase.

He won't revolutionize the position because there just is never going to be a large amount of 220 pound CBs out there. Those guys get converted to the offensive side of the ball very early.

I highly doubt he would get moved to the other side of the ball, due to his high skill set for the CB position.

wicket
09-17-2010, 06:04 PM
sean smith is also pretty big

fenikz
09-17-2010, 06:07 PM
DRC is about 6'2 205 now and Toler maybe 6'1 200

TACKLE
09-17-2010, 06:12 PM
I've said this before but Peterson reminds me a lot of Chris McCalister.

Saints-Tigers
09-17-2010, 06:16 PM
I highly doubt he would get moved to the other side of the ball, due to his high skill set for the CB position.

No, he won't, but most potential patrick Petersons, guys that are 6'1 and 210+ with ridiculous athletic tools and fluidity, or guys that come out of highschool over 220 are going to be offensive guys, especially since 99.999% of them will be offensive players already, are going to get moved to offense. Why do you think we don't see so many super freak corners with size/speed like that, but 6'1 and 215 with great athleticism is fairly common on offense?

shylo3716
09-17-2010, 06:30 PM
Implus he has played on 1 side of the ball his whole career @ LSU, that's the more reason why I have my doubts.

Saints-Tigers
09-17-2010, 08:39 PM
You're missing the point totally.

zachsaints52
09-17-2010, 10:13 PM
DRC is about 6'2 205 now and Toler maybe 6'1 200

Ive always heard Toler was like 5'9, he really 6'1?

Werowance
09-17-2010, 11:09 PM
No, he won't, but most potential patrick Petersons, guys that are 6'1 and 210+ with ridiculous athletic tools and fluidity, or guys that come out of highschool over 220 are going to be offensive guys, especially since 99.999% of them will be offensive players already, are going to get moved to offense. Why do you think we don't see so many super freak corners with size/speed like that, but 6'1 and 215 with great athleticism is fairly common on offense?

I think we're starting to see that trend stopped, I mean with all these freak athletes moving to WR I think that coaches are keeping some or in some cases freaks at/to CB to counteract the Randy Mosses, Larry Fitzgeralds, Dez Bryants and AJ Greens of college football. I mean look at some of the guys who have recently came out:


Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (6'2" 184 pound 4.29 speed)
Aqib Talib (6'1" 201 pounds 4.44 speed)
Antoine Cason (6' 192 pounds and 4.45 speed)
Malcolm Jenkins (6' 204 pounds and 4.51 speed)
Vontae Davis (5'11" 200 pounds and 4.4 speed)
Sean Smith (6'4" and 215 pounds with 4.5 speed)
Patrick Robinson (5'11" and 190 pounds with 4.4 speed)
Joe Haden (5'11" and 193 pounds with 4.45 speed)
Chris Cook (6'2" and 212 pounds with 4.44 speed)


And look at the guys coming out this year:

Patrick Peterson (6'1" and 220 pounds with 4.37 speed)
Prince Amukamara (6'1" and 200 pounds with 4.49 speed)
Aaron Williams (6'1" and 192 pounds with 4.47 speed)
Ras-I Dowling (6'2" and 200 pounds with 4.5 speed)
Curtis Brown (6' and 180 pounds with 4.4 speed)
Chykie Brown (6'1" and 195 pounds with 4.4 speed)


Joe Haden is a guy that really makes my point for me, he was an amazing offensive player in high school who made the transition to CB for Florida.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273176

Four-year starter at quarterback that set Maryland public school record with 7,371 career passing yards while tying the career mark for touchdown passes with 80 Threw for 2,090 yards with 22 touchdowns and rushed for over 500 yards as a junior Passed for 2,783 yards with 38 touchdowns while rushing for 899 yards and 13 touchdowns as a senior as he led his team to the Class 3A state football title with a 14-0 record Given a four-star rating by Scout.com, who listed him as the nation's 22nd wide receiver prospect Given a four-star rating by Rivals.com, who ranked him as the third athlete recruit in the nation, the 59th overall prospect in the country, and the top recruit in Maryland

Chykie Brown is another example, Brown played CB and WR in high school and he measured out at 6'1" 185 pounds with 4.35 speed and 40" vertical at a pre-draft camp but the Longhorns elected to keep him at WR. Many of these players saw extended time on offense and their colleges kept them at DB despite potential to become amazing weapons on offense with their size and speed.

BigBanger
09-18-2010, 03:16 PM
You don't have to rip my head off man. I asked because, on this other site I go to for fairly accurate measurebles, the have him at 6'1'' 211. I would love for him to keep that 222lb frame & translate it over to the NFL. The only thing is coaches have a knack for converting larger CB's over to FS/SS & I would hate to see that happen, because he's a true shutdown CB.
He's not a shutdown corner. You have to shutdown college receivers before you get that label. He is too raw to be a shutdown corner. Upside is there and the potential is there for a shutdown corner, but he has to do it first.

Bigger corners get pushed inside to safety because they're usually too slow for CB. Peterson does not have that issue. He's a CB. Just a very raw one.

I NEVER seen a CB as big as him, he will revolutionize the game @ the position if he stays there in the NFL.
Andre Woolfolk was a big ************, but he turned into a pretty big bust. Mike Rumph also comes to mind. Sean Smith was pretty much the same size, maybe even bigger than Peterson. But this draft in particular has some big, talented CBs. Jimmy Smith is really underrated and he has got some ridiculous length and size as well. Amakumara is built like a tank.

He's not going to revolutionize the position. Mel Blount was a bigger than Peterson and he played 40 years ago. Peterson is a rare player with rare potential, but he has a ways to go to reach that potential.

Saints-Tigers
09-18-2010, 03:24 PM
Most of those guys aren't even freaks or huge outliers.

You're listing guys that are 5'11 and under 200 pounds as if that makes them anything like 6'1 and 220.

RaiderNation
09-18-2010, 03:26 PM
He has Nnamdi Asomugha size, and I expect him to be like him when he gets drafted. Guy is going to be a beast

dex26
10-03-2010, 05:16 PM
Peterson is going to get drafted by the Detroit Lions. I agree there with Scott's mock draft.

Peterson is going to go up against Calvin Johnson everyday in practice (6'5" 235+ lbs) and they will make each other better players.

Lions start to build a good defense with Delmas, Suh and Peterson.

FUNBUNCHER
10-04-2010, 04:39 AM
LSU has been known to fudge heights for players, but PP looks to be at least 6 foot, and it would be a shocker if he wasn't able to rip off a sub 4.4 predraft.

It's how he tests in the shuttle and cornerback drills at @215# that I'm most interested in.

niel89
10-04-2010, 04:50 AM
How does him being 220 help him that much? The height I can understand, but purely for pass defense I don't see it as a major advantage. It will hopefully help in run defense, but corners don't get drafted for that.

AntoinCD
10-04-2010, 07:07 AM
How does him being 220 help him that much? The height I can understand, but purely for pass defense I don't see it as a major advantage. It will hopefully help in run defense, but corners don't get drafted for that.

It will help him mainly in bump and run coverage where he should have no problem with jamming his guy at the line and rerouteing him. Especially against bigger WRs, if he can force them inside towards the LBs and Ss and not have one on one matchups down the sideline then it will greatly help the defense

Shane P. Hallam
10-04-2010, 08:25 AM
How does him being 220 help him that much? The height I can understand, but purely for pass defense I don't see it as a major advantage. It will hopefully help in run defense, but corners don't get drafted for that.

It can correlate to strength, hitting ability, etc. As mentioned, if he is built well, jamming WRs should come a bit easier (as it as been seen). And even something as small as being brought down on returns/INT returns.

croflash
10-04-2010, 08:53 AM
Darrelle Revis is probably closer to 215 these days than the 203 at his pro day in 2007, so there you have a comparison in regards to the size.

Peterson looks bigger than most corners, but he really doesn't appear freakishly big to me. It boils down to hip fluidity and he seems to have that which is terrific at his size.

hammer07
10-25-2010, 08:51 AM
Darrelle Revis is probably closer to 215 these days than the 203 at his pro day in 2007, so there you have a comparison in regards to the size.

Peterson looks bigger than most corners, but he really doesn't appear freakishly big to me. It boils down to hip fluidity and he seems to have that which is terrific at his size.

He looks a bit bigger than Revis to me. Vontae Davis has a similar build to Peterson but Peterson probably has a couple of inches on him, not to mention faster. Personally, I don't think Peterson's bulk is slowing him down at all. If it is, I'd hate to see him 5-10 pounds lighter.

wordofi
10-25-2010, 09:12 AM
I think Patrick Peterson is probably 6'0" and 210 lbs. I definitely think his measurements are fudged. He's definitely 200+ lbs., however.

Gunshinestate
10-26-2010, 02:47 PM
I NEVER seen a CB as big as him, he will revolutionize the game @ the position if he stays there in the NFL.

Corey Fuller(220 lbs.) out of Florida State was huge when he was playing at Minnesota and Cleveland. He came out of FSU at a 195/200 lbs. He is the older cousin of Ryan Hill who is the cornerback on the other side of Brandon Harris at Miami. Hill himself stands at 6'0" 205/208. In his last two seasons as a pro, he was forced to drop 10 pounds just to compete. He was a burner too. Never ran anything higher than a 4.4.

Ty Law was a big corner also.

http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=FUL176616