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Complex
09-19-2010, 10:11 PM
He has 6 sacks after 2 games and has yet to play the Lions(twice),Bears(Twice), Dallas and Washington(trent williams got hurt). Oh and he plays the Giants too...

Discuss

Paul
09-19-2010, 10:14 PM
HE'S ON PACE FOR 48 SACKS!

I mean seriously, let's wait a little bit.

vidae
09-19-2010, 10:14 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2n1fbl5.jpg

PackerLegend
09-19-2010, 10:16 PM
He is a beast and I sure hope he does but its way way to early to be saying he will break it.

ElectricEye
09-19-2010, 10:16 PM
Arian Foster will also rush for 4000 yards and 48 TD's. Book it.

BloodBrother
09-19-2010, 10:24 PM
Chiefs are going 16-0

Werowance
09-19-2010, 10:25 PM
LeSean McCoy will rush for 32 touchdowns and Jaqua Parker will have 24 sacks

Paranoidmoonduck
09-19-2010, 10:27 PM
Yeah, and Darren McFadden is on pace for 2400+ scrimmage yards...

Matthews is playing like a man possessed and will have some favorable matchups this year. I'd be shocked if he winds up with under 15 sacks (assuming he starts all 16 games, that is), but let's be honest. If, for whatever reason, he only manages to average a sack per game from here on out, he'd still fall short.

Finz99
09-19-2010, 10:27 PM
The Dolphins will beat Favre 8 times.

Also, Jason Allen will have 16 interceptions.

CC.SD
09-19-2010, 10:32 PM
and the awesomeness record

vikes_28
09-19-2010, 10:34 PM
And the Vikings are going 16-0! Oh wait..

V.I.P
09-19-2010, 11:18 PM
Josh Freeman will throw 32 TD's

Mike Williams we have 16 receiving TD's

It's way to early, at least wait till we're half way thru the season.

TitleTown088
09-19-2010, 11:22 PM
I still don't know how Odom managed to not break it last season after the first two games.

Scotty D
09-19-2010, 11:23 PM
Didn't he also injure Kevin Kolb and Trent Edwards?

gpngc
09-19-2010, 11:36 PM
He has 6 sacks after 2 games and has yet to play the Lions(twice),Bears(Twice), Dallas and Washington(trent williams got hurt). Oh and he plays the Giants too...

Discuss

He has a legitimate shot.

They'll be winning a lot and teams will need to throw a lot = more opportunities.

Maybe Brett Favre will fall down on purpose for him to break it.

SuperMcGee
09-19-2010, 11:38 PM
Didn't he also injure Kevin Kolb and Trent Edwards?

Edwards never came out.

wordofi
09-19-2010, 11:42 PM
Josh Freeman will throw 32 TD's

Mike Williams we have 16 receiving TD's

It's way to early, at least wait till we're half way thru the season.

What you're talking about is not the same as Matthews. The Buccaneers haven't played quality teams, whereas the Packers played a good team in Philadelphia. Also, Matthews has two games against the Bears (who probably the NFL's worst offensive line).

DMWSackMachine
09-19-2010, 11:47 PM
Every year there is a guy (or two) that runs out in the first couple games of the season. Antwan Odom had 8, iirc, after 3 games last year. Matthews is looking great, but when you are doing sensationally well, teams finally just decide "screw that, this guy ain't beating us." If/when Clay gets that kind of attention, he will certainly hit a real dry streak. If he can continue to produce sacks at that point, then you'll have a true stud on your hands. Let's not be idiots about it.

BloodBrother
09-20-2010, 12:11 AM
Clay already is a true stud. He didn't start the first few games of last year, but since he has started(15 games, including the 2 from this year) he has 15 sacks in 15 games

RaiderNation
09-20-2010, 12:14 AM
Might as well put him in the HoF its not too early

GB12
09-20-2010, 12:21 AM
I still don't know how Odom managed to not break it last season after the first two games.
The fact that he was put on IR after 6 games might have something to do with it.

Not that he had a chance anyway. After the 5 sack game against us he only had 1 in the next 4 games.

DMWSackMachine
09-20-2010, 12:22 AM
Clay already is a true stud. He didn't start the first few games of last year, but since he has started(15 games, including the 2 from this year) he has 15 sacks in 15 games

You're missing the point, son. He doesn't get the star treatment from other teams. As soon as they start gameplanning for him and gearing their blocking schemes to specifically stopping him, etc and he STILL produces that way, then you can start crowing about him being on that level. He looks great. He has a good chance to get there, but don't be premature about it.

Packer_Backer
09-20-2010, 12:26 AM
You're missing the point, son. He doesn't get the star treatment from other teams. As soon as they start gameplanning for him and gearing their blocking schemes to specifically stopping him, etc and he STILL produces that way, then you can start crowing about him being on that level. He looks great. He has a good chance to get there, but don't be premature about it.

He was are only real threat as a pass-rusher last year, I am sure he get's special treatment. I do agree that it is early to crown him, but as long as he is a disruptive force I will be happy.

GB12
09-20-2010, 12:34 AM
If a player gets to double digits in six games or less it makes sense to talk about the record. We play the Bears and Lions the next two games, so he could get there in four.

Packer_Backer
09-20-2010, 12:41 AM
If a player gets to double digits in six games or less it makes sense to talk about the record. We play the Bears and Lions the next two games, so he could get there in four.

As a superstitious Packer fan I hesitate to talk about this so early lest we jinx him in some way.

yourfavestoner
09-20-2010, 12:50 AM
David Garrard is on pace for 938509850984058 turnovers.

V.I.P
09-20-2010, 02:04 AM
What you're talking about is not the same as Matthews. The Buccaneers haven't played quality teams, whereas the Packers played a good team in Philadelphia. Also, Matthews has two games against the Bears (who probably the NFL's worst offensive line).

WTF are you talking about ?? All you have to do is take your stats from the first two games, then times it by 8, and it'll give you your stats for the whole season .... DUHH

BloodBrother
09-20-2010, 03:17 AM
You're missing the point, son. He doesn't get the star treatment from other teams. As soon as they start gameplanning for him and gearing their blocking schemes to specifically stopping him, etc and he STILL produces that way, then you can start crowing about him being on that level. He looks great. He has a good chance to get there, but don't be premature about it.

He's already seeing double teams. Packers are moving him all over the field to confuse the offenses.

Saints-Tigers
09-20-2010, 03:38 AM
Not happening.

Werowance
09-20-2010, 03:42 AM
He's already seeing double teams. Packers are moving him all over the field to confuse the offenses.

... obviously Clay Matthews is the best player in the NFL, nobody stops CLAY MATTHEWS III. Also the Clay Matthews get better each time, Clay III is better than Clay II and Clay II is better than Clay I, so imagine how beastly Clay IIII is going to be.

BloodBrother
09-20-2010, 04:30 AM
... obviously Clay Matthews is the best player in the NFL, nobody stops CLAY MATTHEWS III. Also the Clay Matthews get better each time, Clay III is better than Clay II and Clay II is better than Clay I, so imagine how beastly Clay IIII is going to be.



cool post, man

Not happening.

really going out on a limb there

Gay Ork Wang
09-20-2010, 04:42 AM
While i love Cutler, he si rather gonna throw an INT than to get sacked
and while the Oline is really really reallly really bad, they actually only allowed 1 sack yesterday

Day One Pick
09-20-2010, 04:46 AM
Anybody remember the movie "The Program?" If you do you remember Lattimore. Seems like a lot of similarities...

niel89
09-20-2010, 04:50 AM
... obviously Clay Matthews is the best player in the NFL, nobody stops CLAY MATTHEWS III. Also the Clay Matthews get better each time, Clay III is better than Clay II and Clay II is better than Clay I, so imagine how beastly Clay IIII is going to be.

erm... Clay Matthews IIIIIIIII will be amazing then.

Addict
09-20-2010, 04:50 AM
are we sure that he and JordyZZZ aren't related ?

Werowance
09-20-2010, 04:56 AM
erm... Clay Matthews IIIIIIIII will be amazing then.

At that point one of two things will have happened:
1- All Clay Matthews will be banned from the league for being too dominant

or

2- There is no more NFL because the Clay Matthews annihilated everyone

Addict
09-20-2010, 04:57 AM
if that clay matthews ever exist I demand he will be played by Hugo Weaving.

niel89
09-20-2010, 05:06 AM
are we sure that he and JordyZZZ aren't related ?

It known as exposure to Jordyzzz. The longer you are around him the better you become.

FUNBUNCHER
09-20-2010, 05:29 AM
Kevin Greene is his LB coach. A marriage made in football heaven.
Nuff said.

If Matthews doesn't top at least 16 sacks this season, I'd be surprised.

Addict
09-20-2010, 06:22 AM
It known as exposure to Jordyzzz. The longer you are around him the better you become.

he truly is a god amongst men if his physical dominance rubs off.

Paul
09-20-2010, 07:46 AM
... obviously Clay Matthews is the best player in the NFL, nobody stops CLAY MATTHEWS III. Also the Clay Matthews get better each time, Clay III is better than Clay II and Clay II is better than Clay I, so imagine how beastly Clay IIII is going to be.

So hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide you husbands because Clay Matthews is raping everybody out here.

Gay Ork Wang
09-20-2010, 08:01 AM
errbody man, errbody

wonderbredd24
09-20-2010, 08:09 AM
It's probably a good thing Matthews is on pace to break the record in 12 games in case he gets popped for steroids and has to miss 4.

killxswitch
09-20-2010, 08:20 AM
It's probably a good thing Matthews is on pace to break the record in 12 games in case he gets popped for steroids and has to miss 4.

Oooh he done went there!

brat316
09-20-2010, 08:35 AM
Clay is beast, could he win DPOY?

But lets wait till he starts demanding triple and quadruple teams, and he bets them before we crown is ASS

Boston
09-20-2010, 10:11 AM
It's probably a good thing Matthews is on pace to break the record in 12 games in case he gets popped for steroids and has to miss 4.

No, Matthews will break the record in four games just to prove a point.

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 10:38 AM
The fact that he was put on IR after 6 games might have something to do with it.

Not that he had a chance anyway. After the 5 sack game against us he only had 1 in the next 4 games.

Pretty much.
its hard to get sacks from the IR

A Perfect Score
09-20-2010, 10:44 AM
Pretty much.
its hard to get sacks from the IR

Clay Mathews III could do it.

Addict
09-20-2010, 10:48 AM
Clay Mathews III could do it.

he'd string those QB's up using his IV tube as a lasso.

killxswitch
09-20-2010, 10:49 AM
So is Clay Matthews going to get those Chuck Norris jokes now that Bob Sanders is probably done?

Paul
09-20-2010, 10:52 AM
Clay Mathews III could do it.

He will shoot the QB a mean look from the sidelines, and they will lay down voluntarily.

Addict
09-20-2010, 11:05 AM
He will shoot the QB a mean look from the sidelines, and they will lay down voluntarily.

I hear he can mind-punch someone to the ground and that when he runs he's holding back to avoid hitting warp 1.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
09-20-2010, 11:10 AM
Clay Mathews III could do it.

Simpsons already did it

umphrey
09-20-2010, 11:12 AM
This thread made me lolzzzzz

Seriously though, he gets attention already, the Bills were kind of bad at it, the Eagles did a better job IMO, but Clay didn't like Kevin Kolb I guess. It was funny one of the sacks he just stood there at the LB spot for half a second, a huge hole opened and he beasted through and crushed Kolb. Capers moves him around enough, uses him creatively, where teams can double team him or whatever most of the time but not every time. Plus good luck single teaming Raji, Jenkins and Pickett if you put 2 guys on Clay. Raji would probably have 3 sacks if he was 1 on 1 against most centers all day. Clay has a lot of talent around him.

tjsunstein
09-20-2010, 12:11 PM
and the awesomeness record
He broke that last year when he took Adrian Peterson's cookies home.

I don't have enough rep to rep everyone deserving in this thread.

And seriously, he will win DPOTY.

killxswitch
09-20-2010, 12:15 PM
It's his hair. He's like Sampson. Cut it off and you cut off his power!

tjsunstein
09-20-2010, 12:31 PM
His new nickname is the Barbarian. Whenever you see me use 'Barbarian' it's in reference to Clay Matthews. Let it be known.

A Perfect Score
09-20-2010, 12:32 PM
But Marion Barber is already Marion the Barbarian. Its a federal offense to steal a nickname.

zachsaints52
09-20-2010, 12:37 PM
Whose Clay Matthews?

tjsunstein
09-20-2010, 12:38 PM
But Marion Barber is already Marion the Barbarian. Its a federal offense to steal a nickname.
The Claymaker.

You lose your nickname when you become irrelevant.

tjsunstein
09-20-2010, 12:40 PM
Whose Clay Matthews?
http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0231/0758/clay_matthews_bulk_crop_340x234.jpg

Clay Matthews trying not to laugh at your hilarious joke.

soybean
09-20-2010, 01:28 PM
I always preferred "Goldilocks"

A Perfect Score
09-20-2010, 01:30 PM
He should really be known as Sunshine

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Remember_the_Titans/kip_pardue_remember_the_titans_002.jpg

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 01:38 PM
Clay Fighter 3/52

Babylon
09-20-2010, 02:07 PM
I'm still not happy with Bill Belichick and the Lions for that matter. If Detroit drafts Michael Oher then the Ravens probably dont trade with the Pats for that pick. New England could have taken Matthews at #17, it's not like they couldnt use him.

Boston
09-20-2010, 02:11 PM
Whose Clay Matthews?

My Clay Matthews.

slightlyaraiderfan
09-20-2010, 02:13 PM
Clay is like a greek god who gets his powers from his long flowing hair.

His foes have no chance.

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/14685-1/ClayMatthews.jpg

killxswitch
09-20-2010, 02:35 PM
Looks more like a Norse god to me. Like Thor god of thunder.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bzX8Kk4gV2RR/340x.jpg

Addict
09-20-2010, 03:23 PM
Looks more like a Norse god to me. Like Thor god of thunder.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bzX8Kk4gV2RR/340x.jpg

Norwegian Ahnold... put dat qubee daun!

BloodBrother
09-20-2010, 03:27 PM
Clay is just pacing himself. You think after 2 straight 3 sack games that it can't get much better, but in reality, if he wanted to break the sack record he would have done so in one game. He is just creating suspense as the year goes on

Mr.Regular
09-20-2010, 03:28 PM
This thread has given me a massive boner.

K Train
09-20-2010, 03:44 PM
i dont know about him breaking the record but he has been extremely impressive. i didnt quite know what to think of him out of USC, clearly he was a good player but he wasnt as easy to place as rivers, cushing, and maualuga....but clearly hes a 34 OLB phenom. hes so relentless that its pretty to watch

Jakey
09-20-2010, 03:48 PM
CM3 is a monsterrrrr! If Troy Polamalu played OLB that would be the result. I dont know about breaking the record, but he very well could.

K Train
09-20-2010, 03:49 PM
he basically everything AJ hawk was supposed to be...and hes got the golden blonde LOCKS to go with it

yourfavestoner
09-20-2010, 04:06 PM
he basically everything AJ hawk was supposed to be...and hes got the golden blonde LOCKS to go with it

I think you mean Bobby Carpenter. AJ Hawk was strictly a 4-3 LB prospect.

K Train
09-20-2010, 04:09 PM
i mean as far a playmaker goes at LB for them...AJ hawk was an elite prospect and is my no means a "bad" player he hasnt lived up to 5th overall at all, but LBs rarely do

Monomach
09-20-2010, 04:13 PM
Jay Cutler is going to finish the season with 16 wins, 5192 yards, and 40 tds to 8 ints.

Matt Forte is going to have 1504 receiving yards and 24 tds.

Gay Ork Wang
09-20-2010, 05:06 PM
Matt Forte is our best Wide Receiver

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-20-2010, 05:55 PM
He's just lucky this man got hurt.

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/ItalianBaller0/elvis-dumervil.jpg

And King Doom is not amused.

steelersfan43
09-20-2010, 09:53 PM
Your a white guy in wisconsin dude, cut your ******* hair

Boston
09-20-2010, 10:04 PM
Your a white guy in wisconsin dude, cut your ******* hair

http://ultimatedroid.com/u-mad1.jpg

steelersfan43
09-20-2010, 10:06 PM
http://ultimatedroid.com/u-mad1.jpg

no. im not. I dont mind him or the packers at all but he looks stupid with that hair. its disgusting

soybean
09-20-2010, 11:07 PM
says a steelers fan...

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
09-20-2010, 11:09 PM
no. im not. I dont mind him or the packers at all but he looks stupid with that hair. its disgusting

http://ultimatedroid.com/u-mad1.jpg

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 11:09 PM
no. im not. I dont mind him or the packers at all but he looks stupid with that hair. its disgusting

So you agree Troy should cut his too?

steelersfan43
09-20-2010, 11:09 PM
says a steelers fan...

......samoans can have long hair. not white guys with gross blond hair in wisconson.

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 11:10 PM
......samoans can have long hair. not white guys with gross blond hair in wisconson.

You racist.

steelersfan43
09-20-2010, 11:11 PM
Long hair is part of their culture.....

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 11:14 PM
Long hair is part of their culture.....

So is long hair for white dudes from SoCal.
Ever heard of the surfer image.

Just because he is white doesn't mean he cant have a culture.

Werowance
09-20-2010, 11:17 PM
......samoans can have long hair. not white guys with gross blond hair in wisconson.

Gods are allowed to have long hair.

Examples:
http://moderateinthemiddle.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/thor.jpg
http://412.laxallstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/zeus.jpg
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/canon_10_wk_2_01.jpg

Quick, glamour shot! Work it Clay!
http://blog.cleveland.com/browns_impact/2009/02/large_cmatthewsmjt.jpg

niel89
09-20-2010, 11:23 PM
......samoans can have long hair. not white guys with gross blond hair in wisconson.

http://ultimatedroid.com/u-mad1.jpg

steelersfan43
09-20-2010, 11:27 PM
So is long hair for white dudes from SoCal.
Ever heard of the surfer image.

Just because he is white doesn't mean he cant have a culture.

His hair is girl length and its wierd. surfer hair isnt that long :/

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 11:30 PM
His hair is girl length and its wierd. surfer hair isnt that long :/

So now you're sexist too. What about the CB who had dreds to his ass? Should he cut it too.

Hawk
09-20-2010, 11:34 PM
His hair is girl length and its wierd. surfer hair isnt that long :/

Who gives a ****. Al Harris's hair is just as long. But that's right, its acceptable bc he's black. CM3 can't do it bc he's white.

SenorGato
09-20-2010, 11:34 PM
Nice start for him this season. DeMarcus Ware is still the man to me when it comes to the current bunch of pass rushers.

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 11:35 PM
Who gives a ****. Al Harris's hair is just as long. But that's right, its acceptable bc he's black. CM3 can't do it bc he's white.

He is clearly a sexist and a racist.

Saints-Tigers
09-20-2010, 11:37 PM
Who gives a ****. Al Harris's hair is just as long. But that's right, its acceptable bc he's black. CM3 can't do it bc he's white.

Sorry, it's not the same. Troy Polamalu, Al Harris, Mike Iupati, those dudes have thick manes, or dreads.

Clay's hair looks like a *****'s hair.

Hawk
09-20-2010, 11:40 PM
Sorry, it's not the same. Troy Polamalu, Al Harris, Mike Iupati, those dudes have thick manes, or dreads.

Clay's hair looks like a *****'s hair.

He can't help that. Its clearly a double standard if any ethnicity other than Caucasian can have long hair, but white people can't.

Bengals78
09-20-2010, 11:42 PM
Sorry, it's not the same. Troy Polamalu, Al Harris, Mike Iupati, those dudes have thick manes, or dreads.

Clay's hair looks like a *****'s hair.

So because he doesnt condition it right?
Says a Saints fan who has a player on his team with a bunch of those goofy ass fleur-de-lis all over his head.

steelersfan43
09-20-2010, 11:53 PM
So because he doesnt condition it right?
Says a Saints fan who has a player on his team with a bunch of those goofy ass fleur-de-lis all over his head.

It doesnt matter what team your a fan of... its not a homer issue at all. if clay was on the steelers id still hate his hair

Sportsfan486
09-20-2010, 11:57 PM
Are guys seriously debating a football player's hair? Go play with dolls or ****.

Anyway, Matthews is highly unlikely to break the single-season sack record (especially because they don't play Favre week 17 :p )That said, he's got a legit shot at leading the NFL. That defense has looked swarming and he has a schedule with a lot of weak OLines.

Boston
09-21-2010, 12:10 AM
Sorry guys, for arguing about something that nobody should care about...

http://mseewv.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/man-card.jpg

soybean
09-21-2010, 12:23 AM
I think what most people should think about is his energy and his ability to go all out on every play. That's what I like about him the most. You can't use lazy and clay matthews in the same sentence unless your sentence is "clay matthews is not lazy" or "clay matthews sacked the lazy quartback"

Bengals78
09-21-2010, 12:24 AM
It doesnt matter what team your a fan of... its not a homer issue at all. if clay was on the steelers id still hate his hair

Do you hate Troy's hair?

yourfavestoner
09-21-2010, 12:42 AM
I think what most people should think about is his energy and his ability to go all out on every play. That's what I like about him the most. You can't use lazy and clay matthews in the same sentence unless your sentence is "clay matthews is not lazy" or "clay matthews sacked the lazy quartback"

Yeah, his motor is just absolutely nonstop. It's ridiculous.

Bengals78
09-21-2010, 12:46 AM
Yeah, his motor is just absolutely nonstop. It's ridiculous.

Stop hijacking this clearly important debate!

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 12:49 AM
Who cares about his hair? What are you, ***?

PackerLegend
09-21-2010, 12:50 AM
Do you hate Troy's hair?

Did you already forget he is a racist, sexist pig?

He said its part of their culture. White people don't have culture.

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 12:51 AM
Haters gonna hate.

Bengals78
09-21-2010, 12:52 AM
Did you already forget he is a racist, sexist pig?

He said its part of their culture.

please dont take what I have been saying seriously.

PackerLegend
09-21-2010, 12:54 AM
please dont take what I have been saying seriously.

please dont take what I say seriously.

Bengals78
09-21-2010, 12:56 AM
please dont take what I say seriously.

youre a packers fan how could I?

(BOOM)

PackerLegend
09-21-2010, 01:04 AM
Claymaker's golden locks are just sexy. Only if he had Rodgers 80's porno stache....

ummm excuse me I just creamed in my pants a little.

CC.SD
09-21-2010, 01:20 AM
if you knock Clay's hair it's obvious you're not at ease with your own sexuality. embrace your feelings, there's no point in lying to yourself. you'll just end up alone and spiteful, wishing you hadn't wasted so much time, the prime of your life. Just accept your love of Clay's hair, and thank him.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-21-2010, 01:24 AM
if you knock Clay's hair it's obvious you're not at ease with your own sexuality. embrace your feelings, there's no point in lying to yourself. you'll just end up alone and spiteful, wishing you hadn't wasted so much time, the prime of your life. Just accept your love of Clay's hair, and thank him.

Clay Matthews is the road to happiness.

Saints-Tigers
09-21-2010, 01:54 AM
So because he doesnt condition it right?
Says a Saints fan who has a player on his team with a bunch of those goofy ass fleur-de-lis all over his head.

A fleur De Lis in your head makes you look like a tard. Clay's hair looks like a woman.

I'm very comfortable in my sexuality saying I'd much rather my woman's hair look like Clay's.

He can't help that. Its clearly a double standard if any ethnicity other than Caucasian can have long hair, but white people can't.

He can have it, but don't get mad if people think it looks a tad ****, or female.

Boston
09-21-2010, 01:57 AM
A fleur De Lis in your head makes you look like a tard. Clay's hair looks like a woman.

I'm very comfortable in my sexuality saying I'd much rather my woman look like the Claymaker, God of Thunder and Sex Appeal.


He can have it, but don't get mad if people think it looks a tad ****, or female.

A few minor spelling errors, but nothing terrible.

Rosebud
09-21-2010, 02:27 AM
His hair is girl length and its wierd. surfer hair isnt that long :/

**** you.

Clay Mathews understands how much power and motivation beautiful hair radiates to those around him. That is how Clay Matthews was able to get Aaron Rodgers to grow that impeccable porn stache, that was the power of Clay's hair break out of the time/space continuum and going back to make Rodgers into a monster.

Are guys seriously debating a football player's hair? Go play with dolls or ****.

**** you to.

You can't use lazy and clay matthews in the same sentence unless your sentence is "clay matthews is not lazy" or "clay matthews sacked the lazy quartback"

What about the sentence "You can't use lazy and clay matthews in the same sentence unless your sentence is 'clay matthews is not lazy' or 'clay matthews sacked the lazy quartback'"?

A fleur De Lis in your head makes you look like a tard. Clay's hair looks like a woman.

I dunno about you, but I've never seen a woman that came anywhere close to Clay's raw sex appeal. I once saw Clay Matthews in person and before I knew what was going on I was throwing my panties at him, and I don't even own or wear panties.

soybean
09-21-2010, 02:36 AM
What about the sentence "You can't use lazy and clay matthews in the same sentence unless your sentence is 'clay matthews is not lazy' or 'clay matthews sacked the lazy quartback'"?



... touche...

Addict
09-21-2010, 04:54 AM
Who cares about his hair? What are you, ***?

you can't tell me you're not totally falling for those long blonde strains of angel hair on that man's bodacious scalp!

bam bam
09-21-2010, 05:00 AM
this has just gotten rediculoid

Addict
09-21-2010, 05:08 AM
this has just gotten rediculoid

is that rediculous on steroids?

Caddy
09-21-2010, 06:49 AM
Clay Matthews is a beast. That is all.

Jakey
09-21-2010, 07:25 AM
Clay's hair is badass, that picture of him squatting would be no where near as cool if he had short hair. And yes, i am a steelers fan, and no i am not ***.

Addict
09-21-2010, 08:00 AM
Clay's hair is badass, that picture of him squatting would be no where near as cool if he had short hair. And yes, i am a steelers fan, and no i am not ***.

every man is a little *** for those golden strains of awesomeness.

A Perfect Score
09-21-2010, 08:04 AM
Clay's hair is like golden rays of sunshine flowing from his scalp. Any man who says they aren't *** for Clay is clearly lying to cover up their own insecurities and fear of rejection.

How long before a Packers fan gets a sig that says "*** for Clay?"

Addict
09-21-2010, 08:25 AM
Clay's hair is like golden rays of sunshine flowing from his scalp. Any man who says they aren't *** for Clay is clearly lying to cover up their own insecurities and fear of rejection.

How long before a Packers fan gets a sig that says "*** for Clay?"

it's too bad he doesn't play for the bears, so that GOW could get it.

lowlife
09-21-2010, 10:05 AM
This thread has spiraled out of control... into awesome land. Where hairy sackmasters and homophobes roam freely.

Addict
09-21-2010, 10:24 AM
This thread has spiraled out of control... into awesome land. Where hairy sackmasters and homophobes roam freely.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080417/Al-Pacino/Justice-For-All_l.jpg

Hawk
09-21-2010, 11:01 AM
Jesus, someone should've told me to put on my boner pants before reading these last few pages.

Addict
09-21-2010, 11:08 AM
here you GB crazy Clay freaks, your future sig pic

http://brentfavre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/687_48-300x300.jpg

Paul
09-21-2010, 11:24 AM
At that point one of two things will have happened:
1- All Clay Matthews will be banned from the league for being too dominant

or

2- There is no more NFL because the Clay Matthews annihilated everyone

The NFL will have to introduce the casualty/fatality statistic because of Clay Matthews.

BloodBrother
09-21-2010, 12:11 PM
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article195208.ece/BINARY/w620/Buffalo+Bills+quarterback-1.jpg

Bow down to the King

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 02:18 PM
Clay Matthews: Triple H's love child with a mongoloid

Addict
09-21-2010, 04:11 PM
Clay Matthews: Triple H's love child with a mongoloid

a miracle baby born from the unlikeliest of sources... I like it.

scottyboy
09-21-2010, 04:33 PM
i'm just upset at the lack of knowledge here: there's been 2 guys making the "lolz favre fell down" joke, when they clearly are forgetting Strahan had gotten a sack a week or 2 earlier and it had been called a "negative QB run" after the game, which was absolute garbage. anyway...
what's sexier:
A) Clay's hair or
B) Raymell's thighs

debate

Bengals78
09-21-2010, 04:42 PM
i'm just upset at the lack of knowledge here: there's been 2 guys making the "lolz favre fell down" joke, when they clearly are forgetting Strahan had gotten a sack a week or 2 earlier and it had been called a "negative QB run" after the game, which was absolute garbage. anyway...
what's sexier:
A) Clay's hair or
B) Raymell's thighs

debate

Brian Leonard.

Babylon
09-21-2010, 04:44 PM
Hate to hijack this little lovefest here but without looking at the schedule when does Clay face a legit NFL offensive tackle?.

Modano
09-21-2010, 04:47 PM
Clay Matthews hair is like a combination of Fergie and Jesus.

TACKLE
09-21-2010, 04:47 PM
Ray all day. Nobody can deny the juiciness that Raymell's thighs possess.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ray+Rice+New+York+Giants+v+Baltimore+Ravens+5cbrkM DrJOVl.jpg
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chicago+Bears+v+Baltimore+Ravens+s_mh3jrhIW-l.jpg

K Train
09-21-2010, 04:49 PM
this thread is awesome.

the locks are awesome too.
the packers obsession with white people is awesome....i think in honor of the claymaker the whole oline led by bryan bulaga should grow out the LOCKS and jordy nelson should as well, then they should sign jameson konzzzzz

J255979-11nine
09-21-2010, 04:50 PM
This thread is phenomenal

GB12
09-21-2010, 04:57 PM
Hate to hijack this little lovefest here but without looking at the schedule when does Clay face a legit NFL offensive tackle?.
Jake Long Week 6

K Train
09-21-2010, 04:58 PM
clearly the claymaker would pick long up and drive him right into henne with reckless and destructive power

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 05:02 PM
Hate to hijack this little lovefest here but without looking at the schedule when does Clay face a legit NFL offensive tackle?.
Well it depends on what you consider legit. Jake Long in week 6, D'Brick in week 8. But, it won't matter considering Dom Capers moves him all around to favorable match ups.

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 05:03 PM
i'm just upset at the lack of knowledge here: there's been 2 guys making the "lolz favre fell down" joke, when they clearly are forgetting Strahan had gotten a sack a week or 2 earlier and it had been called a "negative QB run" after the game, which was absolute garbage. anyway...
what's sexier:
A) Clay's hair or
B) Raymell's thighs

debate
Aaron Rodgers' facial hair.

V.I.P
09-21-2010, 05:07 PM
CJ's dreads FTW.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports-sentinel-sports-now/files/2010/04/chrisjohnson-ST-575x390.jpg

Addict
09-21-2010, 05:08 PM
clearly the claymaker would pick long up and drive him right into henne with reckless and destructive power

he's so hot he's gonna hit Long like the Vesuvius hit Pompeii!

oh yeah I'm going Roman history on this bad boy

Bengals78
09-21-2010, 05:18 PM
CJ's dreads FTW.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports-sentinel-sports-now/files/2010/04/chrisjohnson-ST-575x390.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/alesha_mikels/arigtfo.gif

A Perfect Score
09-21-2010, 05:35 PM
CJ's dreads have absolutely no place in this discussion. You sir, have failed miserably and should be shunned from NFLDC because of it. I hope you feel ashamed and alone for the rest of your days for even beginning to insult the greatness, nay the legend, that is Clay Mathews by comparing his godly golden locks to CJ's ugly, worm shaped dreadlocks.

You sir, should be put down.

Addict
09-21-2010, 05:44 PM
next to Clay, CJ2K looks like a hobo in a football jersey.


come to think of it, he always kinda looks like a hobo in a football jersey.

killxswitch
09-21-2010, 06:14 PM
next to Clay, CJ2K looks like a hobo in a football jersey.


come to think of it, he always kinda looks like a hobo in a football jersey.

A CRACKHEAD hobo in a football jersey. With bad teeth.

Addict
09-21-2010, 06:19 PM
A CRACKHEAD hobo in a football jersey. With bad teeth.

are we sure he and Lil' Wayne aren't related?

CC.SD
09-21-2010, 06:20 PM
Rollin down the street smokin indo sippin on gin and juice

http://media.al.com/alphotos/photo/cd09555ebe4afb5e99ff26e2d44350c8_custom_665xauto.j pg

Laid back

lowlife
09-21-2010, 07:17 PM
Ray all day. Nobody can deny the juiciness that Raymell's thighs possess.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ray+Rice+New+York+Giants+v+Baltimore+Ravens+5cbrkM DrJOVl.jpg
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chicago+Bears+v+Baltimore+Ravens+s_mh3jrhIW-l.jpg

Now these are the thighs of a man.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2010+NFL+Combine+Day+Three+SBF3rMPvVfSl.jpg
Look at that ****.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2533/3981696227_d5b808d766_z.jpg
Look at it.

Boston
09-21-2010, 07:27 PM
And I'm sippin on gin and juice dog.

Addict
09-21-2010, 07:29 PM
you know what this thread needs?

more clay and less of this *** Rice 'n McCoy BS

Xonraider
09-21-2010, 07:31 PM
Oakland will win another game

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 07:36 PM
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/pro--sports/_PackersCamp5.jpg

scottyboy
09-21-2010, 07:50 PM
addict, did you just diss Raymell baby?

I THOUGHT YOU WERE SPECIAL </3

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 08:04 PM
No offense to Ray Rice or even you Scotty, but Clay's hair could outsquat Ray Rice.

VUBlacknGold
09-21-2010, 08:14 PM
A CRACKHEAD hobo in a football jersey. With bad teeth.

Thats Bernard Scott, hes a crackhead hobo, and hes the man

K Train
09-21-2010, 08:15 PM
all these glamour shots of claymaker matthews are AWESOME

Morton
09-21-2010, 10:55 PM
Better Clay: Adrian Clayborn or Clay Matthews?

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 10:59 PM
Better Clay: Adrian Clayborn or Clay Matthews?
Stop now. Not even funny.

PackerLegend
09-21-2010, 11:20 PM
Better Clay: Adrian Clayborn or Clay Matthews?

whaaaaaaaaaaa? boy did yo momma smoke crack when she was pregnant?

I think this applies again

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/alesha_mikels/arigtfo.gif

you sir have been banned from this thread FOREVER!

Breaker
09-21-2010, 11:25 PM
Didn't know where else to post this; this is the closest thread being relevant to Cushing.

But, meanwhile in Houston.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlRVG_j-z1E

Brian Cushing is getting ready to take a giant dump on the entire NFL.

2 more games and the Cush is unleashed.

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 11:28 PM
Didn't know where else to post this; this is the closest thread being relevant to Cushing.

But, meanwhile in Houston.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlRVG_j-z1E

Brian Cushing is getting ready to take a giant dump on the entire NFL.

2 more games and the Cush is unleashed.
Can't even post youtube videos correctly, yet alone disrespect Clay Matthews' thread.

Breaker
09-21-2010, 11:35 PM
Can't even post youtube videos correctly, yet alone disrespect Clay Matthews' thread.
I have no idea what you're talking. Unless this forum started having the abilities to embed videos recently, then my way was the only way to post videos.

So until further noticed.

http://davidhetherington.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/fail2.jpg

http://bestofepicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/cheese_fail.jpg

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/royal-fail.jpg

tjsunstein
09-21-2010, 11:38 PM
VYIpdxGOXRY

Boom.

Breaker
09-21-2010, 11:43 PM
Gah. That's honestly the first time i seen an embedded video posted in this forum. Direct all the failure pictures to me.

Kudos sir, game well played.

PackerLegend
09-21-2010, 11:45 PM
Im not so sure Cushing should be doing all that.

You know he said he had that "over trained athlete syndrome" which caused his false test.


Anyways next person to bring this nonsense in here and disrespect The Claymaker is going to personally get castrated by Clays golden locks of deliciousness.

Addict
09-22-2010, 02:48 AM
addict, did you just diss Raymell baby?

I THOUGHT YOU WERE SPECIAL </3

naw I'm just playing, he's got nice calves, but hair-wise I just can't look past Clay.

killxswitch
09-22-2010, 07:35 AM
How many of you already have this?

http://www.theclaymaker.com/images/brian_in_claymaker_hair_front_and_back_2_mmzd.png

Monomach
09-22-2010, 04:40 PM
All of these head-thrown-back-with-water-flying-everywhere shots make Matthews look like an ugly chick.

CC.SD
09-22-2010, 04:47 PM
All of these head-thrown-back-with-water-flying-everywhere shots make Matthews look like an ugly chick.

Talk about being in denial.

A Perfect Score
09-22-2010, 04:48 PM
Talk about being in denial.

Its borderline pathetic to even try to deny the godliness that is Clay.

tjsunstein
09-22-2010, 05:09 PM
All of these head-thrown-back-with-water-flying-everywhere shots make Matthews look like a greek god.
I fixed your typo. I got your back. You can thank me later.

TitleTown088
09-22-2010, 07:21 PM
All of these head-thrown-back-with-water-flying-everywhere shots make Matthews look like an ugly chick.

If that's the case he'll look right in place when he mounts your lesbian of a QB multiple times next Monday.



Clay is consubstantial to Jordyzz.

RealityCheck
09-22-2010, 07:55 PM
Wait until Tully Banta-Cain sacks Manning 184 times in Week 11.

EvilMonkey
09-22-2010, 08:23 PM
well, if we're gonna turn this into the awesome hair thread, we need some Aaron Rodgers pictures

http://graphics2.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/news/may08/aaron21b.jpg

http://fantastiksports.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/aaron-rodgers.jpg

http://cdn2.maxim.com/maxim/files/2009/10/20/gillettes-nfls-greatest-facial-hair/aaron-rodgers_l.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FbZEhC747dY/SK0YpLXFfRI/AAAAAAAAAXA/kSpX_6iN7cM/s320/arod+mutton.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FbZEhC747dY/SK0Yg8sXMFI/AAAAAAAAAWw/mjsaHin1xgU/s320/arod+fumanchu.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8940/rdog.jpg

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-22-2010, 08:31 PM
http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2005/1127/photo/a_artest_268.jpg

PackerLegend
09-23-2010, 12:04 AM
How could you leave out Rodgers greatest stache?

http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/aaronrodgers001.jpg

EvilMonkey
09-23-2010, 06:37 AM
How could you leave out Rodgers greatest stache?

didn't, my 3rd picture he has the stache

Addict
09-23-2010, 08:42 AM
how did this Claythread become a hair fetish thread that fast?

MOAR CLAY

senormysterioso
09-23-2010, 09:33 AM
If the Packers had Patrick Willis and Ray Rice to go along with Clay Matthews, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordy Nelson, not one person on this whole website would be able to watch a Packer game, discuss them casually, or even see a capital letter G without immediately getting an erection.

Addict
09-23-2010, 09:54 AM
If the Packers had Patrick Willis and Ray Rice to go along with Clay Matthews, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordy Nelson, not one person on this whole website would be able to watch a Packer game, discuss them casually, or even see a capital letter G without immediately getting an erection.

I must admit that my boner reaches diamond hardness when I think of Clay and P-Willie together.

brat316
09-23-2010, 11:39 AM
http://stupidcelebrities.net/wp-content/Troy-Polamalu-pictures.jpg

http://www.fashionfame.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Troy-Polamalu-Hair-Insured-For-1-Million1.jpeg

http://www.lightgangster.com/blogphotos/tp.jpg

Addict
09-23-2010, 11:42 AM
is it just me or does Troy Polamalu have an old man's face? It's like they put a 50 year old face on a 24 year old body!

GB12
09-28-2010, 12:56 AM
Well, no sacks today.

He still brought a lot of pressure though.

Saints-Tigers
09-28-2010, 12:58 AM
and just like that, he's only on pace for 32 sacks!

I was sure he'd crack 40 :(

San Diego Chicken
09-28-2010, 01:48 AM
Kevin Greene is his LB coach. A marriage made in football heaven.
Nuff said.

If Matthews doesn't top at least 16 sacks this season, I'd be surprised.

It's so weird that Greene's his coach. They are so much alike, from that savage playing style to the long blonde hair sticking out of the helmet.

tjsunstein
09-28-2010, 09:15 AM
He doesn't want to humiliate the record yet until it's his to crush. For now, he will just break it.

XxXdragonXxX
09-28-2010, 10:29 PM
how did this Claythread become a hair fetish thread that fast?

MOAR CLAY


MOAR HAIR!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07vbgbL1yfcrn/350x.jpg

SenorGato
09-28-2010, 10:41 PM
http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/DeMarcusWareCowboys.jpg

Paul
09-28-2010, 10:47 PM
http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/DeMarcusWareCowboys.jpg

Not on screen is me coming in for a big bear hug, me and him shared. And boy does Demarcus give the best Bear Hugs.

A Perfect Score
09-28-2010, 10:49 PM
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Baltimore+Ravens+v+Green+Bay+Packers+0hWvPEx6lDWl. jpg

Clay gives way better hugs then Demarcus.

Saints-Tigers
09-28-2010, 11:48 PM
Clay has to be on roids though for real. My player evaluation skills can't be this far off, when I watch a young player, even though he did show a lot of growth as a senior.

FUNBUNCHER
09-29-2010, 12:05 AM
Clay has to be on roids though for real. My player evaluation skills can't be this far off, when I watch a young player, even though he did show a lot of growth as a senior.

Word is Clay is up to 255#, and if you consider he was 165# as a HS junior, I'll let you do the math.

Still, the height and frame to put on that much 'good' weight I gotta believe comes from his family genetics.

When your father and uncle are both monsters, maybe the kid was a late bloomer who took PEDs to enhance his physical maturation.

And his motor and intensity come from his psychological makeup. 'Roid rage is one thing, but they don't make you play football at 100mph and be as effective as Matthews is, IMO.

If I thought Clay was the ONLY dude in the NFL who's taken something to bulk up to play in the NFL, I'd be more upset.

But he's not.

J-Mike88
09-29-2010, 12:18 AM
Well, no sacks today.

He still brought a lot of pressure though.
And amazingly, there were no holding calls on any of Clay's rushes.

Saints-Tigers
09-29-2010, 02:14 AM
Word is Clay is up to 255#, and if you consider he was 165# as a HS junior, I'll let you do the math.

Still, the height and frame to put on that much 'good' weight I gotta believe comes from his family genetics.

When your father and uncle are both monsters, maybe the kid was a late bloomer who took PEDs to enhance his physical maturation.

And his motor and intensity come from his psychological makeup. 'Roid rage is one thing, but they don't make you play football at 100mph and be as effective as Matthews is, IMO.

If I thought Clay was the ONLY dude in the NFL who's taken something to bulk up to play in the NFL, I'd be more upset.

But he's not.


Even if he wasn't a late bloomer, 90 pounds between the age of 16-17 to 23 or so isn't that big of a deal when you are talking about someone that tall. 165 is extremely thin for his height, and a lot of that weight probably came extremely easy.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-29-2010, 02:20 AM
Clay has to be on roids though for real. My player evaluation skills can't be this far off, when I watch a young player, even though he did show a lot of growth as a senior.

Yeah, if he was ever on PEDs, he was on them in college.

Then again, maybe your skills are a bit rusty. Matthews was amazing his last year at USC and tore up that offseason. Cushing and Maualuga got most of the attention, but Matthews was the best linebacker on that defense.

FUNBUNCHER
09-29-2010, 07:32 AM
Gaining 90-95 pounds of virtually all muscle is unusual for ANY athlete and raises red flags by definition.

I think it's clear that Clay was on something at some point. Same way that Merriman and a host of other players were and have been.

Like I said, what's different is that Clay and Merriman had the physiques to carry that weight 'naturally'.

Matthews also grew two inches while this extraordinary weight gain took place.

brat316
09-29-2010, 08:00 AM
Gaining 90-95 pounds of virtually all muscle is unusual for ANY athlete and raises red flags by definition.

I think it's clear that Clay was on something at some point. Same way that Merriman and a host of other players were and have been.

Like I said, what's different is that Clay and Merriman had the physiques to carry that weight 'naturally'.

Matthews also grew two inches while this extraordinary weight gain took place.

Yeah I don't think roid makes you gain hight. So it could or it could not be something else. Maybe a little HGH? I know 1 or 2 guys that took a form of HGH to grow taller. A little extra hormones helps, and I don't think they check for that in college.

He looks pretty clean, given his weight gain through out 6-7 years. Merriman did cheat, but he always looked a bit chunky not as cut up as Clay. I think Clay got a bigger and leaner after joining the Packers.

senormysterioso
09-29-2010, 08:11 AM
http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Clay-Matthews-Tweet.jpg

I just came across this, it kind of makes me want to get a twitter so I can hang on Clay's every word.

Addict
09-29-2010, 09:34 AM
http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Clay-Matthews-Tweet.jpg

I just came across this, it kind of makes me want to get a twitter so I can hang on Clay's every word.

damn Clay is advertising for NFL Draft Preview? SWDC is screwed then!

killxswitch
09-29-2010, 09:43 AM
It would not surprise me if CM3 was on PEDs at some point, but I don't think 90 lbs. of non-PED weight gain across 7 years is THAT unbelievable either. That's less than 13 lbs. per year, which when you're starting at 165 and you grow 2" during that time period is not outside the realm of possibility if you have good genetics (which he obviously does). He probably bulked to +/- 220 quickly and then had to work hard to pack on the final 30ish lbs.

Addict
09-29-2010, 10:26 AM
Does it really matter than he took 'roids at some point? I mean I don't approve but this gets dragged into EVERY discussion about him.

He may have taken something, but he obviously isn't now and he's doing juts fine. So let it go.

FUNBUNCHER
09-29-2010, 10:36 AM
It would not surprise me if CM3 was on PEDs at some point, but I don't think 90 lbs. of non-PED weight gain across 7 years is THAT unbelievable either. That's less than 13 lbs. per year, which when you're starting at 165 and you grow 2" during that time period is not outside the realm of possibility if you have good genetics (which he obviously does). He probably bulked to +/- 220 quickly and then had to work hard to pack on the final 30ish lbs.

I'm not gonna wear this out, but Clay gained 25# of muscle between his junior and senior year of HS, then gained 55# of muscle during his first 3 years at USC, he left after his RS junior year.

He put on 10 pounds between his rookie year and this year.

He didn't steadily gain an average of 13# a year, there were HUGE, telltale spikes that indicate he was on something.

People who seemingly can gain large amounts of muscle weight at will, starting as a 165# HS junior, are suspicious.

Gay Ork Wang
09-29-2010, 10:45 AM
who cares, muscles dont equal the tenacity and technique he has. thats hard work

killxswitch
09-29-2010, 10:48 AM
I'm not gonna wear this out, but Clay gained 25# of muscle between his junior and senior year of HS, then gained 55# of muscle during his first 3 years at USC, he left after his RS junior year.

He put on 10 pounds between his rookie year and this year.

He didn't steadily gain an average of 13# a year, there were HUGE, telltale spikes that indicate he was on something.

People who seemingly can gain large amounts of muscle weight at will, starting as a 165# HS junior, are suspicious.

I didn't say he consistently gained every year. In fact I said the opposite. Gaining 25 lbs. in HS at a starting weight of 165 lbs. is not hard for me to buy. Even at 185 if he's playing football that isn't that much. At his height he was obviously a late bloomer. Also it would not surprise me if not all of that weight is muscle. 6' or 6'2 at 165 is skin-and-bones thin. He could've gained 20 lbs of muscle and 5 lbs. of fat, or 15 and 10, and still not looked "fat" at all.

55# over 3 years with a USC nutrition and weight training program is great progress but I don't think <19 lbs per year (or probably more like 20, 15, and 10) automatically means he was on PEDs. I've seen too many weight lifters who I am certain were not juicing do the same thing to think that it must be roids.

And, as Addict pointed out, however he did it when he was in HS and college, he probably isn't on them now. If he is he's doing a great job of avoiding or faking it through testing.

Fico
09-29-2010, 11:52 AM
I went from a 6'0 165 HS Senior to 6'0 190-195 college senior and I played at a DIII school. A very quality football program but a DIII program none the less. That is close to 30 pounds and no height increase.

With an elite strength program, nutritionist, and access to the facilities combined with his genetics there no reason he couldn't have gained that weight naturally.

I am not saying he never took PEDs but there is no evidence to support it. Additionally 55 pounds over 3 years is not a huge jump when associated with a 2 inch height gain.

GB12
09-29-2010, 02:29 PM
I'm not gonna wear this out, but Clay gained 25# of muscle between his junior and senior year of HS

People who seemingly can gain large amounts of muscle weight at will, starting as a 165# HS junior, are suspicious.

Between the end of football season junior year and the start of practice senior year I went from 152 to 186. Now, not all of that was pure muscle, I did put on some fat, but that was quickly worked off during practice and I was a fit 180 by the time the season started. So a net of 28 pounds in 9 months. I had to work for it and spent a lot of time in the weight room, but I certainly didn't put as much into it as a division 1 prospect would and I still was able to achieve that.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm only 5'8".

FUNBUNCHER
09-29-2010, 05:55 PM
I went from a 6'0 165 HS Senior to 6'0 190-195 college senior and I played at a DIII school. A very quality football program but a DIII program none the less. That is close to 30 pounds and no height increase.

With an elite strength program, nutritionist, and access to the facilities combined with his genetics there no reason he couldn't have gained that weight naturally.

I am not saying he never took PEDs but there is no evidence to support it. Additionally 55 pounds over 3 years is not a huge jump when associated with a 2 inch height gain.
You'd be hard pressed to find D1 or D3 football players who gain 55# of muscle in 3 years.

That's just not normal. Sorry.
Clay got bigger and leaner every year he was at USC.

Because of Clay's genetics, he probably had the potential to grow bigger, as evidenced by his 2 inch height gain. That's why I believe whatever he took, he probably didn't need to take a lot of it.

PEDs didn't make him a football player, IMO, but they may have allowed him to be competitive at a school like USC and excel in the pros.

Again, I lean towards him having taken something, but that's just my opinion.
BTW, there's NEVER any hard evidence that a player took PEDs unless they have a dirty urine/blood test, or just admit it.

It just blows my mind to imagine that Clay was 6'1, 165# as a HS junior, (roughly the same size as Allen Iverson), and grew to 6'3, 245# at USC.

K Train
09-29-2010, 05:58 PM
I just came across this, it kind of makes me want to get a twitter so I can hang on Clay's every word.

ive learned that when clay speaks, i listen

J255979-11nine
09-29-2010, 06:56 PM
If he isn't on any PED's now, then I don't care what substance he was sticking himself in the ass with in HS/College. The man is a straight up baller.

Jakey
09-29-2010, 07:25 PM
I was 5'7 140 for years...got to age 20/21, minimal working out, average/healthy diet...suddenly im 5'7 170. I put on 30lbs of goodness, in one year...no roids...no working out.

Nature works in strange ways, im sure allot of people who worked out religiously and had the right diet for 5 years, could put on 90lbs of good weight easily. Nothing suspicious going on imo.

wonderbredd24
09-29-2010, 07:35 PM
I'm glad that over the past couple years that exercise physiology has progressed to such a ridiculous point that everyone can gain insane amounts of strength so easily year after year after year.

Amazing that Matthews was nothing but a special teamer until his senior year of college and now is one of the best pass rushers in the NFL?

You'll have to excuse me if I'm extremely skeptical of that pattern of events.

B-Dawk
09-29-2010, 08:02 PM
its not like he was behind scrubs on that usc defense, how many front 7 players went to the nfl from his first 3 years?

PackerLegend
09-29-2010, 09:54 PM
How did we get on this discussion seriously. you may think its "suspicious" but the guy hasnt been caught with anything. He is 6' 3" at 165 the guy would be a ****ing twig. 90 pounds is alot but not over 8 years. He may have taken something but theres no reason to keep sitting here accusing the guy. He was a beast last year and still is and as we have found out people aren't very successful at beating the NFL's testing.

wonderbredd24
09-29-2010, 10:02 PM
How did we get on this discussion seriously. you may think its "suspicious" but the guy hasnt been caught with anything. He is 6' 3" at 165 the guy would be a ****ing twig. 90 pounds is alot but not over 8 years.
90lbs is 90lbs. That's a **** ton of weight over any span of time.
He may have taken something but theres no reason to keep sitting here accusing the guy. He was a beast last year and still is and as we have found out people aren't very successful at beating the NFL's testing.
Half the reason people should be suspended when they are caught is because you have to be a ******* moron to get caught. PEDs are light years ahead of testing and substances like HGH can only be detected through blood testing while the NFL only tests urine, so if you're attempting to cheat, why would you use anything that can be detected by a urine test when there are plenty of options that cannot? Because you're a moron.

The NFL and every other league need Olympic style testing.

GB12
09-29-2010, 10:53 PM
90lbs is 90lbs. That's a **** ton of weight over any span of time.

It's a lot, but it's not like it's impossible, it's not even that hard to do if you work at it. He has a big frame and amazing genetics. Whether he used anything or not, I can't say for sure. I mean I wouldn't be shocked or anything if he tests positive sometime, but it's definitely possible for him to put on that weight without help from illegal substances.

FUNBUNCHER
09-30-2010, 03:31 AM
Clay is my favorite young LB to watch in the NFL, even more than my homie Orakpo!!

But I'm at the point that it takes more in the NFL to be great than bodyweight and how much you can lift. It's always been that way, and it is still today.
Lambert should never have been a start MLB at 6'4, 220# in the NFL, yet he was one of the most feared players in the 1970s.

Intelligence, instincts, intensity, aggression and motor really are more of a factor in determining success for players in the NFL than taking PEDs.

Look, the are rumors about Orakpo at Texas; he came to UT as a 215# LB and in 2 years he was a 255-260# DE and one of the strongest members of the team.

Gaining weight/strength is just the baseline in the NFL, it's what a player can do after that point when the game of football really begins.

Clay is a 100% football player, regardless of how his body got there.

It's the guys who continue to habitually use that really bother me.

HawkeyeFan
09-30-2010, 11:01 AM
Not to hijack this thread, but does it look like he's on juice? When he's not? it's a few years difference in these, same as 5 years from Clays senior year to Rookie NFL Season.

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID4388/images/Jackson_Walking_Off.jpg

http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv308/jotto89/stevenjackson.jpg


Meaning of my story, just because you get big doesn't mean your doing enhancing drugs.

wonderbredd24
09-30-2010, 11:03 AM
Not to hijack this thread, but does it look like he's on juice? When he's not? it's a few years difference in these, same as 5 years from Clays senior year to Rookie NFL Season.

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID4388/images/Jackson_Walking_Off.jpg

http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv308/jotto89/stevenjackson.jpg


Meaning of my story, just because you get big doesn't mean your doing enhancing drugs.
How do you know he's clean?

HawkeyeFan
09-30-2010, 11:04 AM
He was randomly tested last year, I'm pretty sure.

wonderbredd24
09-30-2010, 11:09 AM
He was randomly tested last year, I'm pretty sure.
A. So he passed one test? Didn't Cushing pass a number of tests before being caught with his fertility drugs? I imagine Shawn Merriman was the same way.

B. The NFL only tests urine... there are so many substances that can only be detected with a blood test.

I don't know if Jackson has done anything or not, but I'm certainly not going to pronounce him clean because he hasn't failed a test that's pretty easy to beat. They need Olympic style testing before anyone is clean.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-30-2010, 11:10 AM
Pretty sure the NFL only tests urine. And if you get busted by a urine test and are an NFL player, you're an idiot. Most stuff now is:
a) only detectable in the blood
b) out of the system in a matter of hours

wordofi
09-30-2010, 11:30 AM
Most people in the NFL are on steroids. Bottom line. You don't get as big as they do naturally unless you have freakish genetics.

SenorGato
09-30-2010, 11:32 AM
This is the NFL people...everyone's on some performance enhancing stuff.

I have 0 doubts that Matthews has juiced.

brat316
09-30-2010, 12:04 PM
A. So he passed one test? Didn't Cushing pass a number of tests before being caught with his fertility drugs? I imagine Shawn Merriman was the same way.

B. The NFL only tests urine... there are so many substances that can only be detected with a blood test.

I don't know if Jackson has done anything or not, but I'm certainly not going to pronounce him clean because he hasn't failed a test that's pretty easy to beat. They need Olympic style testing before anyone is clean.

ahahah, like the Players Union would ever agree to that. Football might become...hopefully not dirtier than baseball.

Addict
09-30-2010, 12:14 PM
as long as everyone juices, it's still fair.

Giantsfan1080
09-30-2010, 12:15 PM
Football is more dirty than baseball it's just that nobody cares.

Hawk
09-30-2010, 12:20 PM
Football is more dirty than baseball it's just that nobody cares.

Just sweep it under the rug. Everyone minus kickers and probably most QBs have probably juiced at some point or another. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

yo123
09-30-2010, 12:33 PM
His hair is super *** and I'm about 75% sure he's juicing but even as a Vikings fan I can't deny he can really play and watching our tackles try to block him for the next few years is gonna suck.

senormysterioso
09-30-2010, 12:42 PM
His hair is super *** and I'm about 75% sure he's juicing but even as a Vikings fan I can't deny he can really play and watching our tackles try to block him for the next few years is gonna suck.

What?!? Your teams logo is a guy with hair exactly like Clay's bordered in purple. Think about it ;)

yo123
09-30-2010, 12:47 PM
What?!? Your teams logo is a guy with hair exactly like Clay's bordered in purple. Think about it ;)

Never questin the awesomeness that is Ragnar. But the purple yeah I've never really gotten it.

tjsunstein
09-30-2010, 01:01 PM
Never questin the awesomeness that is Ragnar. But the purple yeah I've never really gotten it.
Never question the awesomeness of Clay Matthews.

I would put money on atleast 70% of the NFL using PED's at one point or another.

FUNBUNCHER
09-30-2010, 01:15 PM
ahahah, like the Players Union would ever agree to that. Football might become...hopefully not dirtier than baseball.

The NFL has ALWAYS been dirtier than MLB. Where do you think major leaguers got the idea to juice in the first place?
The difference is juicing in the NFL is no guarantee of success or stardom; no one's trying to tackle you when you're at the plate attempting to hit a fastball.

There's just too many variables in football that can't be overcome with PEDs. A football 'dumb' player who's not in great cardio conditioning or has poor instincts will never have an advantage from using PEDs.

FUNBUNCHER
09-30-2010, 01:21 PM
Not to hijack this thread, but does it look like he's on juice? When he's not? it's a few years difference in these, same as 5 years from Clays senior year to Rookie NFL Season.

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID4388/images/Jackson_Walking_Off.jpg

http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv308/jotto89/stevenjackson.jpg


Meaning of my story, just because you get big doesn't mean your doing enhancing drugs.

If Jackson had gained 60# in five years, I'd be highly suspicious about whether or not he was on something.

Jackson has gained maybe 20-25# since HS, which is what used to be considered 'normal', for genetically advantaged, weight trained, pro athletes.

In that 2nd photo, Jackson looks 240-245#, about 10# heavier than he was as a rookie.

I would not expect Steven Jackson to be a 160# RB as a HS junior who grew into a 240# NFL RB. That would be 'abnormal'.

A Perfect Score
09-30-2010, 02:00 PM
God damned Steven Jackson is a big man.

SenorGato
09-30-2010, 02:18 PM
Football is more dirty than baseball it's just that nobody cares.

For many reasons, that's disgusting.

I swear the whole MLB steroid controversy happened for two reasons:

1. National distraction...There's a whole bunch of more important things that no one cares about because Mark McGwire did steroids.

2. Raise the national profile of the much dumber, much easier to fix game of American football.

Giantsfan1080
09-30-2010, 02:25 PM
Wait you don't think football is dirtier than baseball?

SenorGato
09-30-2010, 02:53 PM
Wait you don't think football is dirtier than baseball?

No, I do. I find it disturbing that football gets away with it.

Saints-Tigers
09-30-2010, 03:23 PM
I think Baseball is way dirtier because packing a ton of muscle onto a frame that can't handle it is a lot more beneficial in that joke of a sport.

SenorGato
09-30-2010, 03:33 PM
I think Baseball is way dirtier because packing a ton of muscle onto a frame that can't handle it is a lot more beneficial in that joke of a sport.

Except that it's not.

Baseball is all about functional strength...Football OTOH....

Paranoidmoonduck
09-30-2010, 04:33 PM
Most steroid use in all sports, but especially in baseball, is to help a player come back from injuries faster. Over the course of a 162 game season, having something that keeps you running at 100% is pretty ******* important.

Seriously, the idea that steroids are just about strength baffles me.

A Perfect Score
09-30-2010, 04:35 PM
Most steroid use in all sports, but especially in baseball, is to help a player come back from injuries faster. Over the course of a 162 game season, having something that keeps you running at 100% is pretty ******* important.

Seriously, the idea that steroids are just about strength baffles me.

Ive always found it ironic that steroids have such a horrific effect on tendons and ligaments and yet they are most often used to return from injuries. Its a bit counter productive if you ask me.

SenorGato
09-30-2010, 04:37 PM
Most steroid use in all sports, but especially in baseball, is to help a player come back from injuries faster. Over the course of a 162 game season, having something that keeps you running at 100% is pretty ******* important.

Seriously, the idea that steroids are just about strength baffles me.

+1,000,000

What's the point of being super strong if you're not all that healthy?

Anabolic steroids were just the next step up from the amphetamines that were popular before them. Even then it's way more complicated than that...

Paranoidmoonduck
09-30-2010, 04:37 PM
Compared to what? If you're not going to be in the league when you're 40+ anyway, might as well make as much money while you can.

It doesn't take very much effort to understand why people do steroids.