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DeathbyStat
09-23-2010, 11:38 AM
Going to the Pitt and Miami game tonight. Bought tickets to see Baldwin, Romeus (sucks that he is hurt) and Dion Lewis. Any other prospects I should be looking at?

Also I'm aware of Allen Bailey and Brandon Harris for Miami.

Shane P. Hallam
09-23-2010, 11:44 AM
Going to the Pitt and Miami game tonight. Bought tickets to see Baldwin, Romeus (sucks that he is hurt) and Dion Lewis. Any other prospects I should be looking at?

Also I'm aware of Allen Bailey and Brandon Harris for Miami.

I'll be there as well.

Keep an eye out for Leonard Hankerson, WR for the U and DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB.

I'll also be watching Pinkston for Pitt.

619
09-23-2010, 11:46 AM
Hankerson is one of the more polished receivers in the nation. I'll be keeping a close look out for him again tonight.

bigfreak314
09-23-2010, 11:53 AM
Miami has a pair of NFL corners, whose names slip my mind, I would like to see how Baldwin does against them. Also let's see if Allen Bailey can rebound from a mediocre game and Travis Benjamin is a dynamic returner in the D Hester mold

tjsunstein
09-23-2010, 12:00 PM
Watch Orlando Franklin on Miami as well. Not a known prospect but he's listed at 6'7 312.

shylo3716
09-23-2010, 12:39 PM
Miami has a pair of NFL corners, whose names slip my mind, I would like to see how Baldwin does against them. Also let's see if Allen Bailey can rebound from a mediocre game and Travis Benjamin is a dynamic returner in the D Hester mold

You can't even compare the two....There will never be another DHEST!!!!!!

JoeJoeBrown
09-23-2010, 01:12 PM
The only thing people at the game should be watching out for is their wallets.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
09-23-2010, 01:21 PM
Ill be watching for Leonard Hankerson. Im really curious to see a full game of his.

djp
09-23-2010, 01:37 PM
I'll be there as well.

Keep an eye out for Leonard Hankerson, WR for the U and DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB.

I'll also be watching Pinkston for Pitt.

I don't think Demarcus Van Dyke is an NFL player, but that's just me. He is Charmin Ultra Soft.

LT Orlando Franklin, DT Marcus Forston, LB Colin McCarthy, K/P/KOS/Stud Matt Bosher (Heisman?) are the guys to watch for Miami in addition to Hankerson, Bailey, and Brandon Harris. I would say you could watch FS Ray Ray Armstrong as well, even though he's only a true sophomore.

bigfreak314
09-23-2010, 01:44 PM
I know but Benjamin has got some skill returning the rock as well. Plus Travis runs a reported 4.26 40yd daah

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2008/08/03/a7c_cfoot_0804.html

Very Hester like.

djp
09-23-2010, 02:07 PM
I know but Benjamin has got some skill returning the rock as well. Plus Travis runs a reported 4.26 40yd daah

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2008/08/03/a7c_cfoot_0804.html

Very Hester like.

He's definitely slippery out there, but Hester is just on another level athletically than basically everyone else.

Benjamin will get NFL looks, that's for sure. Will he ever be a regular rotation receiver? I don't know about that. He's the 3rd best pro WR prospect Miami has, Hankerson being No. 1, LaRon Byrd being No. 2

bigfreak314
09-23-2010, 02:13 PM
He's definitely slippery out there, but Hester is just on another level athletically than basically everyone else.

Benjamin will get NFL looks, that's for sure. Will he ever be a regular rotation receiver? I don't know about that. He's the 3rd best pro WR prospect Miami has, Hankerson being No. 1, LaRon Byrd being No. 2

You definitely are right about the Reciever aspect, thats why I refered to him as a returner but we seen a few return specialist get drafted early as the 2nd round.

thenewfeature06
09-23-2010, 02:55 PM
How about Aldarius Johnson?

Hurricanes25
09-23-2010, 03:08 PM
How about Aldarius Johnson?

He has talent but he is so slowwwww.

Edit: Check out WR Laron Byrd. He is similar to Hankerson. He'll be a very intriguing prospect next year.

superman
09-23-2010, 03:27 PM
man i remember people were comparing him to andre johnson coming out of hs

bigfreak314
09-23-2010, 09:31 PM
How about Jamal sheer off the edge one on one, has been unblockable.

TACKLE
09-24-2010, 03:50 AM
Jonathan Baldwin: 3 catches for 26 yards.

All I gotta say is 'Aliquippa don't miss'.

underscore
09-24-2010, 04:30 AM
Baldwin showed what many already know he is. A great athlete playing WR...but not a great WR

Shane P. Hallam
09-24-2010, 05:00 AM
He was only targeted 4 times I believe. Sunseri just was missing Baldwin, who got separation a few times. The QB play of Pitt is not going to do Baldwin any favors.

fenikz
09-24-2010, 05:04 AM
He beat Harris off the line on 1 play but Sunseri was simply demolished instantly

What do people think about Sean Space as a pro prosect, he seems to be bulking up but will never be a big guy, great sideline to sideline guy and had 9 tackles, 2 1/2 TFL, 1 1/2 Sacks

Shane P. Hallam
09-24-2010, 06:51 AM
He beat Harris off the line on 1 play but Sunseri was simply demolished instantly

What do people think about Sean Space as a pro prosect, he seems to be bulking up but will never be a big guy, great sideline to sideline guy and had 9 tackles, 2 1/2 TFL, 1 1/2 Sacks

I think Spence could be a great special teamer in the NFL, and with his athleticism, maybe using him as a pass rusher around the field could be intriguing. Likely an intriguing guy without a perfect fit.

619
09-24-2010, 07:28 AM
Jonathan Baldwin: 3 catches for 26 yards.

All I gotta say is 'Aliquippa don't miss'.

LMFAOOOOO.

A great athlete playing receiver, as somebody previously mentioned, would be the best description. Not as crisp of a route runner as you'd like; at this point he looks more to be the next Ramses Barden than the next Larry Fitzgerald. His QB certainly didn't do him any favors, but he isn't to blame entirely for Baldwin's struggles, either.

Babylon
09-24-2010, 11:09 AM
^
It's hard to do it alone, you get the other team's focus and in his case his QB is either not that great or doesnt have the time to get him the ball. Seems we've heard this argument before.

JoeJoeBrown
09-24-2010, 11:29 AM
^
It's hard to do it alone, you get the other team's focus and in his case his QB is either not that great or doesnt have the time to get him the ball. Seems we've heard this argument before.

Hehehe... :) ad infinitum.

ElectricEye
09-24-2010, 11:30 AM
Baldwin has little to do with Barden athletically. He's on another level speed wise. Anyone who actually watched the game the other night could see his poor stats were more a function of Sunsuri being awful/raped than a bad game by him.

Shane P. Hallam
09-24-2010, 11:40 AM
Baldwin has little to do with Barden athletically. He's on another level speed wise. Anyone who actually watched the game the other night could see his poor stats were more a function of Sunsuri being awful/raped than a bad game by him.


For sure, but Baldwin was going up against some good corners who got physical with him and threw him off his timing. On zones, Baldwin wasn't as good at finding the soft spot as I hoped as well. If Demaryius Thomas goes in the first, Baldwin can, but production will be down for sure.

Babylon
09-24-2010, 11:46 AM
Hehehe... :) ad infinitum.

I see you learned your latin along the way.

619
09-24-2010, 11:48 AM
Baldwin has little to do with Barden athletically. He's on another level speed wise. Anyone who actually watched the game the other night could see his poor stats were more a function of Sunsuri being awful/raped than a bad game by him.

I know that. I'm just saying that he doesn't possess the polished receiver skills you'd come to expect from an elite college receiver, which only further compunds his productivity problems. He's coasted this far merely based on his superior athleticism over defenders, and this works well when you have a QB who can adequately deliver you the football in an area where you can then go use your ginormous frame and ball skills to seemingly go up and get it. This was going to bite him in the ass in due time, and I'm glad he was exposed in this way for scouts this early.

ElectricEye
09-24-2010, 12:22 PM
For sure, but Baldwin was going up against some good corners who got physical with him and threw him off his timing. On zones, Baldwin wasn't as good at finding the soft spot as I hoped as well. If Demaryius Thomas goes in the first, Baldwin can, but production will be down for sure.

I do think that he can be neutralized by guys who get physical with him. He had a miserable game against McCourty and Rutgers last year. Agree with everyone about the lack of polish, but he's a hell of an athlete and will be a matchup nightmare at any level.

RalphX19X
09-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Hankerson is a great route runner.

djp
09-24-2010, 12:34 PM
Miami defensive line was absolutely dominant last night. Very fun to watch. Allen Bailey looked great.

A Perfect Score
09-24-2010, 12:43 PM
Hankerson looked SOLID. Really well built for a WR. Im curious to see what he will end up running, because while he has some good shake and runs nice routes, he isnt a burner.

Allen Bailey looked good, I liked the explosion I saw out of him specifically on the inside when he was lined up as a 3 tech. I'd still like to see him disengage better with his hands and put those freakishly long arms to better use, but he was double teamed alot last night as well.

Travis Benjamin is fast.

Shawn Spence was EVERYWHERE. I was really impressed with the way he played last night. Definitely a smaller guy, but I wouldn't write him off as only a special teamer yet. He looked awesome last night.

And I said it before and Ill say it again, Baldwin is till the #3 WR in this class and until he shows the ability to beat the jam off the line and use his hands properly instead of just running by people, he's going to remain #3. I know Pitt didn't get too much going last night, but Baldwin was just not impressive whatsoever. Aliquippa don't miss.

Babylon
09-24-2010, 01:19 PM
Hankerson looked SOLID. Really well built for a WR. Im curious to see what he will end up running, because while he has some good shake and runs nice routes, he isnt a burner.

Allen Bailey looked good, I liked the explosion I saw out of him specifically on the inside when he was lined up as a 3 tech. I'd still like to see him disengage better with his hands and put those freakishly long arms to better use, but he was double teamed alot last night as well.

Travis Benjamin is fast.

Shawn Spence was EVERYWHERE. I was really impressed with the way he played last night. Definitely a smaller guy, but I wouldn't write him off as only a special teamer yet. He looked awesome last night.

And I said it before and Ill say it again, Baldwin is till the #3 WR in this class and until he shows the ability to beat the jam off the line and use his hands properly instead of just running by people, he's going to remain #3. I know Pitt didn't get too much going last night, but Baldwin was just not impressive whatsoever. Aliquippa don't miss.

So he's better than Floyd and Jones both?

K Train
09-24-2010, 01:30 PM
my WR rankings havent changed yet since the end of last season...everyone jumped on the baldwin wagon during the offseason but really it was the big 3 WRs and baldwin to me, not the big 4 guys until somewhat recently.

Julio Jones
AJ Green
Michael Floyd
Jonathan Baldwin

until further notice, and really the only ones that i could see changing are jones and green

ThePudge
09-24-2010, 01:57 PM
Yea, I'll start disagreeing with APerfectScore. After a poor year in 2009, Julio Jones looks to be back in the focus of the Alabama offense. Neither Jones nor Baldwin is very refined, but I think Jones is the stronger & quicker player who uses his hands better (a) as a blocker and (b) beating the jam. Both are matchup nightmares but Julio Jones moves across the middle of the field faster and offers a little more suddenness. They both have the ability to make incredible catches & have a similar catching radius. Baldwin's a little more consistent catching the ball however.

Now, against top competition Jones could only manage 4 receptions for 49 yds, but so far this year he's been more productive & has made more big plays.

First seven games in 2009: 13 rec 175 yds 1 Td
First three games in 2010: 15 rec 248 yds 2 Td

With Greg McElroy continuing to find his stride, Julio Jones should be able to easily out-produce his disappointing Sophomore year. His production a season ago was absolutely pathetic especially with the amount of mental mistakes he made. Still, if any receiver has an NFL-ready body it's Jones and he has the potential to be a dynamic player at the next level. I'm excited to see if he can get behind the Arkansas defense this week.

A Perfect Score
09-24-2010, 02:35 PM
That was a typo on my part. For me, Baldwin is still the #3 in this class, and that's based almost entirely on potential at this point. In fact, I could easily see Julio Jones being a better pro and alot of the points Pudge makes about Jones's ability to dominate at all 3 levels of the field instead of just deep like Baldwin is very true and very compelling. I still have Green/Floyd/Baldwin/Jones, but if Baldwin continues to be a no show thats going to change very quickly.

And Im with Pudge again, this weekend against Arkansas is going to be very telling for Julio Jones. Lets see what he can do.

Day One Pick
09-24-2010, 09:05 PM
I was there too. I was really impressed with Jacory Harris's arm. First time I saw him live. Anybody who is high on Pitt LT Jason Pinkston needs to forget about him right now. He doesn't look draftable.

brat316
09-24-2010, 09:08 PM
I bring this question here.


Which Qb ruined Wr prospects careers worse?

Reggie Ball and Calvin Johnson
or
Sunseri and Baldwin

Day One Pick
09-24-2010, 09:09 PM
The only thing people at the game should be watching out for is their wallets.

Yeah...$35 to park, $70 to get in (2 tickets in the 509 section), $16 for 2 drinks and some nacho's, Then $16 at Primanti Brothers after the game.

ElectricEye
09-24-2010, 10:00 PM
I would probably slot Baldwin at 3rd among receivers right now. Green is clearly number one right now, but Julio Jones has come a long way this year and could eventually surpass him. Can't see Baldwin moving past either of those guys, but he's less coverable at the next level than Michael Floyd even though he's significantly less sound technically.

SenorGato
09-24-2010, 10:23 PM
man i remember people were comparing him to andre johnson coming out of hs

Only because he's got the initials A. Johnson, he was a touted recruit, and he chose Miami. Athletically Andre Johnson is 8 floors up.

I like Hankerson to be a good #2 WR in the pros. He's got some upside.