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shylo3716
10-01-2010, 12:27 PM
It's obvious that he will not play QB in the league, so which position do you think he plays whenever he decides to come out?

scpanther22
10-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Armanti Edwards???

WR

shylo3716
10-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Denard Robinson=Joshua Cribbs IMO

Michigan
10-01-2010, 12:30 PM
All of the above... except CB...

nepg
10-01-2010, 12:32 PM
Kinda reminds me of Woody Dantzler... They'll try him at RB, but the chances of it working are slim. Maybe a return specialist.

shylo3716
10-01-2010, 12:33 PM
Kinda reminds me of Woody Dantzler... They'll try him at RB, but the chances of it working are slim. Maybe a return specialist.

Woody Dantzler is a excellent 1 man

PrimetimeTheDon
10-02-2010, 05:56 PM
Quarterback or runningback. He certainly has the accuracy. The arm strength and system are of real concerns. He has an unbelievable feel as a runner so I could easily see RB as well, but the only football I ever played was in 7th and 8th grade so I can't honestly gauge how hard it would be to transition from running out of the shotgun as a QB to running out of the I as a RB.

I do not believe he will play WR but I guess I could be wrong.

1st round pick though. No doubt about that.

P-L
10-02-2010, 06:57 PM
QB/RB/WR/KR/PR combination. He doesn't need a specific position. I don't think he can really play any position full-time, but you just need to get the ball in his hands and good things will happen.

ChiFan24
10-02-2010, 07:26 PM
He's starting to come close to Vick territory with me. He can run so well that defenses are going to have to account for that on every play, and I think he can throw well enough to make them pay. Obviously not the arm that Vick has, but he's also got better intermediate accuracy. So as of now I'd say that I'd give QB a shot. If that doesn't work, he'd be an awesome RB or WR anyway, so he's a first rounder either way.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-02-2010, 07:52 PM
He'll be a RB/WR like Dexter McCluster.

katnip
10-03-2010, 07:25 PM
Jeff Garcia except he's faster and he's black.. Okay, maybe not.

Didn't Garcia have a borderline noodle arm?

stephenson86
10-03-2010, 07:30 PM
QB, honestly reckon he can do it.

Michigan
10-03-2010, 07:31 PM
Is his arm strength really that much of a concern? He puts pretty good zip on intermediate-short routes and has no problems getting distance on deep balls.

2drama
10-03-2010, 07:33 PM
I have not watched a full game but only highlights of Denard Robinson , from what I have seen so far from he is used more as a running back than his quarterback position. Denard Robinson is a gifted athlete but I am not sure if he has the abilities to play the quarterback position in the NFL.

katnip
10-03-2010, 07:34 PM
About Arm Strength. 1 name... Chad Pennington, even though he was super accurate.

Michigan
10-03-2010, 07:37 PM
About Arm Strength. 1 name... Chad Pennington, even though he was super accurate.

but Denard doesnt have a weak arm. where is this coming from?

marshallb
10-03-2010, 07:38 PM
Why isn't ATH a choice? This guy doesn't need a set position, just get the ball in his hands and let him make a play. Give him a handful of plays at QB, hand the ball off to him, throw him screen or swing passes, let him return punts and kicks, anything to get the ball in his hands as much as possible. The guy is just a great athlete and can do phenomenal things when he's got the ball in his hands.

stephenson86
10-03-2010, 08:09 PM
Is he going to be what Pat White was supposed to be?

nepg
10-03-2010, 08:11 PM
Is he going to be what Pat White was supposed to be?

I don't think Pat White was ever supposed to be anything... He might have turned into a poor man's Hines Ward. Pat isn't that athletic or fast compared to players at other positions.

aLARGEtopHat
10-03-2010, 08:37 PM
Linebacker.

Sniper
10-03-2010, 08:39 PM
About Arm Strength. 1 name... Chad Pennington, even though he was super accurate.

What
The
****??????

That's a horrendous comparison. Denard gets plenty of zip on his short and intermediate throws.

Vikes99ej
10-03-2010, 08:39 PM
He should go to a team that uses a lot of the Wildcat, if anyone even uses it anymore.

Sniper
10-03-2010, 08:43 PM
Where's the badass ************* destroyer of worlds option?

Brent
10-03-2010, 09:25 PM
a faster Julian Edelman

wonderbredd24
10-03-2010, 09:33 PM
He's a sophomore and it's 5 games into the season... I think I'll let him play a few more games before I peg him as anything other than he's gonna get a shot in the NFL

nepg
10-04-2010, 10:08 AM
He's a sophomore and it's 5 games into the season... I think I'll let him play a few more games before I peg him as anything other than he's gonna get a shot in the NFL
That's no fun.

PrimetimeTheDon
10-05-2010, 07:16 PM
but Denard doesnt have a weak arm. where is this coming from?

I've watched him play quite a bit now and if his arm is not weak, it is only borderline NFL caliber. He rarely puts any real "zip" on the ball. He does a very good job of putting the football in the right spots for his receivers and throwing them open. But I think the best you could label it as is "average."

He's quite impressive. I can't wait to see him against PSU, Iowa, (do they play them this year?) and OSU. It's still very early but I'm interested to see how his passing holds up against teams with real speed that can break on the ball.

PrimetimeTheDon
10-05-2010, 07:17 PM
He's a sophomore and it's 5 games into the season... I think I'll let him play a few more games before I peg him as anything other than he's gonna get a shot in the NFL

As a passer, fine. But as a runner it does not take Mel Kiper to see that he is special.

descendency
10-06-2010, 12:27 AM
KR/PR and probably moved around the offense a bit.

He's 6' flat. Please, don't bother saying Drew Brees because he DEFINITELY does not have Brees' mechanics. He isn't Mike Vick, either.

His QB development will be trashed by playing for Rich Rod.

The guy is closer to Pat White with more athleticism than a real QB.

TitansCJftw
10-06-2010, 12:44 AM
About Arm Strength. 1 name... Chad Pennington, even though he was super accurate.

WTF? are you serious? how the **** did you come to that conclusion?? ever watched robinson throw a football... ever?

niiice
10-06-2010, 07:22 AM
KR/PR and probably moved around the offense a bit.

He's 6' flat. Please, don't bother saying Drew Brees because he DEFINITELY does not have Brees' mechanics. He isn't Mike Vick, either.

His QB development will be trashed by playing for Rich Rod.
The guy is closer to Pat White with more athleticism than a real QB.

Rich Rod was the only guy recruiting Robinson that gave him a shot to play QB. He also helped Denard learn how to read a defense properly. Rich Rod deserves a loooot of credit.

PossibleCabbage
10-06-2010, 02:27 PM
He's a sophomore and it's 5 games into the season... I think I'll let him play a few more games before I peg him as anything other than he's gonna get a shot in the NFL

Absolutely. It's way, way, way, way, way too early for this thread. Not only has he not played a full season, he hasn't even played against a good defense yet. I want to see him play against Michigan State, Iowa, Penn State, and Ohio State before I'm willing to comment on whether not he actually has an NFL future.

Looking great against UMass, Indiana, UConn, Bowling Green, and Notre Dame (in 2010) doesn't really mean anything IMO.

katnip
10-06-2010, 10:20 PM
WTF? are you serious? how the **** did you come to that conclusion?? ever watched robinson throw a football... ever?

Thought I read in this thread he has a weak arm.

brat316
10-06-2010, 10:42 PM
Its never to early for a thread about them becoming NFL players. Hell there were threads on here about HS players in the NFL. Its what we do, we evaluate talent at any given stage, hoping they build on what they have.

Guy who runs fast, we say he is just a raw athlete and needs to work on the little things to be great.

Tall guy, who catches great, well he is going to be an amazing possession WR and red zone threat.


Robinson is going to be a good offensive weapon. But I want to see him break some tackles like McCluster did, and not be afraid to get blow up like Cribbs. There are plenty of fast guys like those 3, but Cribbs, and McCluster both aren't afraid to mix it up or loose 1 yard rather than try and out run the defender and loose 6-10 yards.

Sniper
10-07-2010, 07:28 AM
Robinson is going to be a good offensive weapon. But I want to see him break some tackles like McCluster did, and not be afraid to get blow up like Cribbs. There are plenty of fast guys like those 3, but Cribbs, and McCluster both aren't afraid to mix it up or loose 1 yard rather than try and out run the defender and loose 6-10 yards.

Lose =/= loose. Lose is to not win. Loose is not tight.

I can't remember the last time Denard lost 6-10 yards by trying to outrun someone, mainly because it doesn't happen.

brat316
10-07-2010, 07:47 AM
Lose =/= loose. Lose is to not win. Loose is not tight.

I can't remember the last time Denard lost 6-10 yards by trying to outrun someone, mainly because it doesn't happen.

ugh yeah, i'm sorry.

Its like speedster guys like Jackson who get a WR reverse, and instead of going on the inside of a block setup, they try and bounce it outside of the WR blocking. Or like on a punt return when he thinks he can pull college stuff, by turning around and running in half a circle. It has worked I think once for him, in the NFL.

nepg
10-07-2010, 08:44 PM
You know...Denard Robinson gets all of this attention, but no one's talking about Taylor Martinez... Whats up with that?

SeanTaylorRIP
10-07-2010, 09:04 PM
You know...Denard Robinson gets all of this attention, but no one's talking about Taylor Martinez... Whats up with that?

Martinez is a Freshman why would we be talking about him as a draft prospect, not to mention he has a horrendous arm.

tjsunstein
10-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Where's the utility awesomeness option?

descendency
10-07-2010, 09:57 PM
Rich Rod was the only guy recruiting Robinson that gave him a shot to play QB. He also helped Denard learn how to read a defense properly. Rich Rod deserves a loooot of credit.

The number of NFL QBs that will ever play for Rich Rod in college... ZERO.

This gimmick spread zone read system that him and Ubran Meyer (and others) run ruin talented players at the QB position. They all come out with abysmal mechanics, no route tree knowledge, no protection scheme knowledge, no instincts, and so on because of it.

Vince Young is the closest thing to a zone-read QB that has ever come out of college and meant **** in the NFL and that is only after sitting under Norm Chow and Mike Heimerdinger for a few years.

brat316
10-07-2010, 10:02 PM
What about Robert Griffin III?

nepg
10-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Martinez is a Freshman why would we be talking about him as a draft prospect, not to mention he has a horrendous arm.

Robinson's a Sophomore, and was a non-factor last year... I don't see anyone talking about Robinson as a QB. Your reasoning is unreasonable.

yourfavestoner
10-08-2010, 12:09 AM
The number of NFL QBs that will ever play for Rich Rod in college... ZERO.

This gimmick spread zone read system that him and Ubran Meyer (and others) run ruin talented players at the QB position. They all come out with abysmal mechanics, no route tree knowledge, no protection scheme knowledge, no instincts, and so on because of it.

Vince Young is the closest thing to a zone-read QB that has ever come out of college and meant **** in the NFL and that is only after sitting under Norm Chow and Mike Heimerdinger for a few years.

I know I've said this a million times buuuuuuut you've forced me to tackle this once again.

The spread option has been around for such little time that our sample size consists of Josh Harris, Omar Jacobs, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Pat White, and Tim Tebow. It's way too early to draw a premature conclusion of that system yet, just like it was foolish to predict all run n gun quarterbacks would fail (a theory that was eventually made to look incredibly silly). The spread option guys have failed in the NFL because they don't have NFL talent. The only ones with legitimate NFL talent were Young and Tebow (jury still out on both), who had major, major flaws of their own coming out - none of which had to do with what system they played in. BTW, I still can't believe Alex Smith was picked in the first round, let alone first overall. He was Tim Couch all over again. I don't understand how you could watch either one of those guys with their noodle arms and think that they'd ever be a legit NFL passer. You judge TALENT, not schemes. That group of quarterbacks is not an overly talented group.

No matter what offense you ran in college, you'll have forgotten pretty much everything by your third day in an NFL training camp. Playing in a traditional offense in college will help you with your footwork and drops, and your footwork in the run game. That's about it. The offenses and defenses are so dumbed down in college that the "advantage" people say traditional offense quarterbacks have is pretty much a myth. There's just been way more traditional offense quarterbacks than spread quarterbacks, so it appears they've been more successful. They haven't.

I said before the draft (or it may have been sometime this summer) that playing in a spread offense wouldn't hurt Sam Bradford anymore than playing in a traditional offense helped Matt Leinart. Now, I know Oklahoma is a true spread offense as opposed to the spread-option, but the point remains the same: every offense in college is a gimmick offense, and is not in any way comparable to an NFL offense except for the formations. When you factor in how painfully basic and simple most college defenses are it completely negates everything.

Sniper
10-08-2010, 09:16 AM
The number of NFL QBs that will ever play for Rich Rod in college... ZERO.

Um, I'd recommend doing some research, considering that number's always been eclipsed.

underscore
10-09-2010, 08:59 PM
Robinson faced a half-decent offense today, and was handled pretty well.

He faces an even better defense next week.

Sniper
10-09-2010, 09:13 PM
Robinson faced a half-decent offense today, and was handled pretty well.

He faces an even better defense next week.

He sucked today, but he still put up 301 yards and two touchdowns.

iowatreat54
10-09-2010, 09:18 PM
He should play DE in the pros. He will know exactly what the QB is thinking.

nepg
10-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Um, I'd recommend doing some research, considering that number's always been eclipsed.

Shaun King, sir.

Morton
10-09-2010, 09:39 PM
Question: How does Robinson compare to Michael Vick in 2001 as an NFL prospect?

brat316
10-09-2010, 09:43 PM
Question: How does Robinson compare to Michael Vick in 2001 as an NFL prospect?

he is close to the athlete that Vick was, still Vick was better. But he doesn't have the arm that Vick had. But his accuracy is a better in the short and inter area.

King Carls 5 Year Plan
10-09-2010, 11:13 PM
call me crazy, but I would give him a shot to play QB. The idea of having a game breaker touching the ball on every down is very appealing and if it didn't work out, then you could find a new position for him. His speed and ability to make someone miss is something very few players have. Having that ability in your QB is very special. Isn't that what made Vick so successful when he got his shot this year. Let Denard develop the timing needed and if he figures out when to run and when to throw, he will be special.

underscore
10-10-2010, 06:22 AM
Robinson finally played against a solid defense yesterday, and he struggled.

nepg
10-10-2010, 07:24 AM
Michigan State slowed him down, for sure. But they didn't shut him down. Important to remember he's a freshman, and he reminded us of that yesterday. No shame in having a rough game, it just sucks for Robinson that if the offense has any problems, they lose automatically because the defense is so bad.

wonderbredd24
10-10-2010, 08:52 AM
Michigan State slowed him down, for sure. But they didn't shut him down. Important to remember he's a freshman, and he reminded us of that yesterday. No shame in having a rough game, it just sucks for Robinson that if the offense has any problems, they lose automatically because the defense is so bad.
He's a sophomore.

keylime_5
10-10-2010, 08:55 AM
call me crazy, but I would give him a shot to play QB. The idea of having a game breaker touching the ball on every down is very appealing and if it didn't work out, then you could find a new position for him. His speed and ability to make someone miss is something very few players have. Having that ability in your QB is very special. Isn't that what made Vick so successful when he got his shot this year. Let Denard develop the timing needed and if he figures out when to run and when to throw, he will be special.

Vick also had a rocket arm and better size and was a better passer. Denard is smaller and doesn't have an NFL arm and I wouldn't say great accuracy on intermediate routes (which he is never asked to throw in that spread offense). He'll be a Josh Cribbs/Antwaan Randle El in the NFL and there's nothing wrong with that.

underscore
10-10-2010, 09:46 AM
Michigan State slowed him down, for sure. But they didn't shut him down. Important to remember he's a freshman, and he reminded us of that yesterday. No shame in having a rough game, it just sucks for Robinson that if the offense has any problems, they lose automatically because the defense is so bad.

And they face an even better defense next week. And if their offense has any problems, it's because he's having problems, since he is the offense.

nepg
10-10-2010, 09:47 AM
He's a sophomore.
Same difference.

Sniper
10-10-2010, 09:48 AM
He's a sophomore.

In his sixth collegiate start. Obviously, he's never going to get any better at making reads or passing the ball. He certainly didn't improve from his freshman year to his sophomore year.

Crappy game, but what are you going to do? He's got a lot to learn. He was clearly rattled by the defense and the magnitude of the game and didn't look confident at all. I missed the first INT because of work, but the second one was just freshman Denard at work. He double-clutched and threw it behind Hemingway. Throw that in front and it's six. The third pick was him trying to make a play and Kelvin Grady being intent on being a spectator.

Michigan
10-10-2010, 09:50 AM
And they face an even better defense next week. And if their offense has any problems, it's because he's having problems, since he is the offense.

http://www.gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/facepalm.jpg

Sniper
10-10-2010, 09:50 AM
Same difference.

Essentially, yeah. He had limited snaps at QB last year because he couldn't throw. It was his sixth collegiate start.

brat316
10-10-2010, 09:56 AM
Essentially, yeah. He had limited snaps at QB last year because he couldn't throw. It was his sixth collegiate start.

So would you say the same thing for R-sophmore, or junior Qb playing their first 6 games?

That they are freshmen, cause essentially this is their first action on the field.

PrimetimeTheDon
10-10-2010, 06:29 PM
I wouldn't say great accuracy on intermediate routes (which he is never asked to throw in that spread offense).

He throws a lot of intermediate routes. A lot. He has looked extremely impressive doing so up until this Saturday. This Saturday, not only was his decision making exposed a little bit, but so was his accuracy. It just was not a good day for him passing the ball at all.

Still a lot of time.

Regardless, I do not care all that much if he can make it as a QB. His running ability is phenomonal. When he learns to run out of bounds, he'll be a first rounder at the RB position if he does not progress enough as a passer.

Sniper
10-10-2010, 06:35 PM
So would you say the same thing for R-sophmore, or junior Qb playing their first 6 games?

Considering that 99 percent of D-1 QBs had more QB training in HS than Denard did, I wouldn't. Denard came in rawer than sushi and is progressing nicely. Almost everyone else had more help on their mechanics and game experience in terms of passing.