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niel89
10-11-2010, 11:28 PM
What things do you believe are worth spending money on?



Mine-

A good mattress- You're going to use it every day and for me it makes a huge difference. Spend the money once and not worry about bad sleep later.

Meat for BBQing- Starting with great beef makes a world of difference. Marinating and other seasonings are great but they just can't make up for a bad cut of meat.

Tipping- Especially if its a service you are going to use a lot or a place you frequent. People will give you much better service and will accommodate you much better in the future. Tip well the first time in a bar and the bartender will help you out the next time you need something.


How about you guys?

aLARGEtopHat
10-11-2010, 11:38 PM
Hookers...

RufusMcDaniel
10-11-2010, 11:38 PM
toilet paper

J255979-11nine
10-11-2010, 11:44 PM
Nerve gas...

themaninblack
10-11-2010, 11:48 PM
blow. (10char)

Dr. Gonzo
10-11-2010, 11:50 PM
Its all about the hookers and the blow sirs. Gotta spend some money on Radiohead tickets and hallucinogenics, the two go hand in hand.

Hawk
10-11-2010, 11:50 PM
Condoms

/10ch

RaiderNation
10-12-2010, 12:36 AM
Blunt cutter key chain....

Vox Populi
10-12-2010, 01:08 AM
Socks. They're the difference between a live grunt and a dead grunt.

wogitalia
10-12-2010, 01:17 AM
I jokingly thought "betting" when I read the thread, then you post tipping in the OP which is another word for betting.

Caddy
10-12-2010, 01:24 AM
Condoms

/10ch

I've always found cling wrap works fine.

djp
10-12-2010, 01:26 AM
- Weed
- Beer
- Seafood
- Toothbrush
- Computer parts

Mr. Goosemahn
10-12-2010, 01:46 AM
Beer.
Liquor.
Netflix.





Other stuff.

WMD
10-12-2010, 01:55 AM
Sleeping Pills are a good investment. Sometimes sleep just doesn't happen when you want it to.

trkaline
10-12-2010, 01:58 AM
Canibus Sativa
Food
Vidja Games
What else is their?

jayceheathman
10-12-2010, 04:40 AM
haha I dont tip barely anything. I figure if the waiter/waitress doesnt like it then go complain to your employer about it and not the customers. Usually my favorite places to eat at are places you pay ahead of time at the register and then go get your food when it's ready so you dont have to bother about a waiter at all to begin with.

jayceheathman
10-12-2010, 04:43 AM
A lot of my money usually goes to online poker or sports betting.

Brent
10-12-2010, 05:25 AM
I barely spend money. Most of the time it's on either clothes or food.

CJSchneider
10-12-2010, 05:26 AM
Beer
Shoes
Motor oil

bearsfan_51
10-12-2010, 06:58 AM
haha I dont tip barely anything. I figure if the waiter/waitress doesnt like it then go complain to your employer about it and not the customers. Usually my favorite places to eat at are places you pay ahead of time at the register and then go get your food when it's ready so you dont have to bother about a waiter at all to begin with.
That's fine if that's your philosophy, just don't eat at sit-down restaurants. It's like accepting government services and then not paying your taxes. It's understood.


And yeah, definitely seafood. Cheap seafood will ******* tear you up. Another thing I would add is a retirement home. Obviously it's not something any of us is thinking about now, but I've already started saving my pennies so I'm not stuck at a place where nobody gives a **** about me.

bearsfan_51
10-12-2010, 06:59 AM
I don't get the clothes argument. It's fabric. You're paying for the label and the product will never increase in value. It's an awful investment.

CJSchneider
10-12-2010, 07:06 AM
...
Another thing I would add is a retirement home. Obviously it's not something any of us is thinking about now, but I've already started saving my pennies so I'm not stuck at a place where nobody gives a **** about me.

I'm just all kind of pissed off right now.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 09:37 AM
Every time i go to Walmart to buy oil for my oil changes, i make sure i grab an extra 3 pack of boxers and socks.

Why? Bc you can never have too many socks or boxers.


If you're gonna buy gym equipment, buy it from craigslist. Theres so many ppl out there that spend top dollar on gym equipment, then never use it, and wind up selling it for half the price on craigslist. I basically got myself a home gym for 1/3 the price.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 09:38 AM
Oh, and if you have a bad tendency to speed like I do, you must have one of these:

http://www.valentine1.com/store/products/20015.gif

Get the valentine one, you won't regret it. It saved me at least 6 tickets by now, probably more.

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 09:46 AM
Things I will spend extra for:

Good cookware (makes all the difference)
Good knives (absolutely worth it)
Mattress (already mentioned, but absolutely)
Suits (cheap suits look cheap. save your money on the dress shirts and ties)
Medical insurance/care (always use the best, especially for a surgical procedure)
Certain sports equipment (like my baseball glove, which I spent $140 on and will use for at least 10 years)

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 09:52 AM
Things I won't spend extra for:

Car repairs
Oil changes
Gasoline
Underwear/socks (hello, Marshalls/TJ Maxx)
Basic food, like milk/eggs/bread/peanut butter
Dress shirts, ties, dress shoes, belts
Rent. In DC, the big rental companies destroy you with rent prices, BS fees, and nonrefundable crap. For instance, I own a cat. To move into a big company apartment, they will charge me a $50 application fee (whatever), then a nonrefundable pet "fee" of $200-450, then pet "rent" of $50 a month, then a move-in fee of $200-300 (just to be allowed to move in), then an amenities fee of $200-500 a year for use of the crappy gym and party room that I'm not going to use. After that, I can expect to pay $300-500 over market value to live in the place and pay my own utilities. I've had great success using Craigslist to rent condos. Much better bang/buck and less crap.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 10:01 AM
Things I won't spend extra for:

Car repairs
Oil changes
Gasoline
Underwear/socks (hello, Marshalls/TJ Maxx)
Basic food, like milk/eggs/bread/peanut butter
Dress shirts, ties, dress shoes, belts
Rent. In DC, the big rental companies destroy you with rent prices, BS fees, and nonrefundable crap. For instance, I own a cat. To move into a big company apartment, they will charge me a $50 application fee (whatever), then a nonrefundable pet "fee" of $200-450, then pet "rent" of $50 a month, then a move-in fee of $200-300 (just to be allowed to move in), then an amenities fee of $200-500 a year for use of the crappy gym and party room that I'm not going to use. After that, I can expect to pay $300-500 over market value to live in the place and pay my own utilities. I've had great success using Craigslist to rent condos. Much better bang/buck and less crap.

I spend on oil. I get synthetic, so it lasts longer. Good ol Mobile 1 from Walmart, nice and cheap and it's better for your engine. You save in the long run by doing that.

I get boxers and socks from Walmart too bc its nice and cheap.

Im always cheap on food for the house. If I want to spend money on food, I'll eat out, but basic essentials, you get the cheap stuff.

I try to do most car repairs on my own.

The thing with clothes is, you can buy nice stuff and not spend an arm and a leg for it. You can tell the difference between the higher end shirts/sweaters, shoes etc but if you're patient, you can get them for half the price if you know when to buy em.

I just bought a bunch of ralph lauren shirts which are usually 80 bucks a pop for 20 a pop last year when the new "collection" was coming in to replace the old ones. Now I'm set in that department for a little while, and paid 1/4 the price for the nicer looking shirts.

Paul
10-12-2010, 10:08 AM
Internetz.

Verizon Fios ftw.

Rosebud
10-12-2010, 10:09 AM
http://www.red.com/skin/img/photo_zoom/redone_9.jpg

Rosebud
10-12-2010, 10:15 AM
Oh, and if you have a bad tendency to speed like I do, you must have one of these:

http://www.valentine1.com/store/products/20015.gif

Get the valentine one, you won't regret it. It saved me at least 6 tickets by now, probably more.

I'm gunna disagree, now maybe I've just become a ***** driver in my old age, but I actually have been getting less tickets since I sold my Escort and Valentine. It just works better when I'm keeping my eye out rather than depending on the machine to beap for cops and not for random ish.

Oh yeah, add cheap wine to my list:
http://chilean-wine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/TraderJoesVinasChilenas2008SauvignonBlanc.gif

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 10:19 AM
I'm gunna disagree, now maybe I've just become a ***** driver in my old age, but I actually have been getting less tickets since I sold my Escort and Valentine. It just works better when I'm keeping my eye out rather than depending on the machine to beap for cops and not for random ish.

That's bc you were using it wrong. You're supposed to always be on the look out, even with a detector and don't speed excessively.

Set it to Ka and Laser, that cleans up all the clutter.

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 10:20 AM
I spend on oil. I get synthetic, so it lasts longer. Good ol Mobile 1 from Walmart, nice and cheap and it's better for your engine. You save in the long run by doing that.

I get boxers and socks from Walmart too bc its nice and cheap.

Im always cheap on food for the house. If I want to spend money on food, I'll eat out, but basic essentials, you get the cheap stuff.

I try to do most car repairs on my own.

The thing with clothes is, you can buy nice stuff and not spend an arm and a leg for it. You can tell the difference between the higher end shirts/sweaters, shoes etc but if you're patient, you can get them for half the price if you know when to buy em.

I just bought a bunch of ralph lauren shirts which are usually 80 bucks a pop for 20 a pop last year when the new "collection" was coming in to replace the old ones. Now I'm set in that department for a little while, and paid 1/4 the price for the nicer looking shirts.


I actually get free oil changes at my Acura dealership, and they always do a good job. However, I don't let them repair anything on my car because they are 75% higher than everyone else. The workmanship is great, and they have awesome hours, but I can't fathom paying $250 a tire for parts and labor when I can go to Sam's and get it for $116 for almost identical tires.

I shop around a lot for food for the house, but I won't get produce at certain stores and meat at others. I will deal shop to save extra. I have no problem splurging on meals out at nice places.

I didn't say anything about clothes because sometimes, I will splurge, and sometimes, I won't. The thing about suits is that I will absolutely go high end on them because the quality is always apparent. You can't shop at JC Penny and compare to a Jos A Bank or Brooks Bros or Bloomingdales or Nordstroms quality product. If you work in business, splurge on your suits and save on the accessories if you have to.

Rosebud
10-12-2010, 10:22 AM
That's bc you were using it wrong. You're supposed to always be on the look out, even with a detector and don't speed excessively.

Set it to Ka and Laser, that cleans up all the clutter.

Yeah, I know, still it's a psychological thing for me, I get more aggressive and less careful with the machine. Without it I've gotten one driving violation in the past year and a half and that wasn't because I was speeding but because I blacked out. Other than that I never get tickets anymore outside of road trips of over 4 hours.

Rosebud
10-12-2010, 10:24 AM
Just remembered one more thing, shoes at Nordstrom Rack. I've got probably the nicest set of shoes any poor film student should have, because I hit up the rack, there's just something incredible about getting a pair of nice clarks for 35 bucks.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 10:25 AM
I actually get free oil changes at my Acura dealership, and they always do a good job. However, I don't let them repair anything on my car because they are 75% higher than everyone else. The workmanship is great, and they have awesome hours, but I can't fathom paying $250 a tire for parts and labor when I can go to Sam's and get it for $116 for almost identical tires.

I shop around a lot for food for the house, but I won't get produce at certain stores and meat at others. I will deal shop to save extra. I have no problem splurging on meals out at nice places.

I didn't say anything about clothes because sometimes, I will splurge, and sometimes, I won't. The thing about suits is that I will absolutely go high end on them because the quality is always apparent. You can't shop at JC Penny and compare to a Jos A Bank or Brooks Bros or Bloomingdales or Nordstroms quality product. If you work in business, splurge on your suits and save on the accessories if you have to.

Oh I agree. Never get work done at the dealership unless its under warranty. They're called the stealership for a reason.

My 335xi needed new tires, the dealership wanted to charge me 350 per tire. I went and got all 4 done for 450 somewhere else.

I always considered Jos A Bank and Mens Wearhouse as medium end (if that's a word). High end to me is Prada, Boss, Armani suits you get from NYC.

I stick with Jos A Bank and Mens Wearhouse. I go to Macys for shoes though, bc JAB and MW are a rip off for shoes.

Johnston and Murphy shoes ftw. I love em. So comfortable and they look great.

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 10:29 AM
Fair point on JAB, but they do have some nice $1200 suits. The thing about Bank is that you just have to wait them out. About 2x a year, they will give you a buy 1 get 2 free deal. Just wait on that, then go the first day of the sale.

I actually buy almost all of my shoes on ebay. Go to the brick and mortar store, get my size, make sure they work, then go on ebay, order from an ebay store, pay the shipping, and it's way lower.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 10:33 AM
Fair point on JAB, but they do have some nice $1200 suits. The thing about Bank is that you just have to wait them out. About 2x a year, they will give you a buy 1 get 2 free deal. Just wait on that, then go the first day of the sale.

I actually buy almost all of my shoes on ebay. Go to the brick and mortar store, get my size, make sure they work, then go on ebay, order from an ebay store, pay the shipping, and it's way lower.

Ebay eh? I'm gonna try that.

Oh no doubt, I NEVER buy one suit at a time. MW and JAB always have deals. You can get 3 1grand suits for 1k, which is basically 330 a pop.

I need another black, and a grey, but I'm waiting it out for the next sale.

Even then though, they don't compare to the Prada, Armani, Boss suits you see at NYC. And those never go on sale like the JAB ones do. Those are the high high end stuff. Im not important enough for those suits.

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 10:37 AM
The ebay shoe stores are some of the best deals out there. If you know your size, it's an easy way to save on name brands. I tend to like Kenneth Cole and Rockport. You can find them everywhere. A lot of times, you're actually buying from brick and mortar stores in Iowa, who supplement their local business with the online one. Prices are lower outside of the big cities...

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 10:39 AM
The ebay shoe stores are some of the best deals out there. If you know your size, it's an easy way to save on name brands. I tend to like Kenneth Cole and Rockport. You can find them everywhere. A lot of times, you're actually buying from brick and mortar stores in Iowa, who supplement their local business with the online one. Prices are lower outside of the big cities...

How much do you spend on a pair of shoes?

Should I buy sneakers online too?

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 10:42 AM
I will spend between $50 and $80 on a good pair of shoes, but these are listing at $80-150 at retail stores. Online, you can't overcharge, or else you won't move product.

You can buy sneakers online, but I'd stick to the big brands. I tend to wear Converse as dress sneakers, so I buy online because the options are more plentiful. However, I have a hometown shoe store that I've been going to for sneakers since I was 4 years old. I'm loyal to the local Philly business.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 10:53 AM
Hmmm. I don't need shoes right now, but I do need a good pair of white sneakers.

I just want to be extra cheap about it.

I usually wear black chuck taylors as my casual sneakers, but i need a good white pair of sneakers.

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 10:56 AM
I'm sure if you hit up the shoe stores on ebay, you can find KSwiss or Converse that suit your needs on the cheap.

MetSox17
10-12-2010, 11:36 AM
1. Boots
2. Beer
3. Cologne (women always compliment me on my scent)
4. Your date

Splat
10-12-2010, 11:42 AM
A good TV.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 11:45 AM
I never wear cologne. Maybe I should start again. Haven't worn cologne in over 10 years.

bsaza2358
10-12-2010, 11:54 AM
I wear cologne on occasion, but it's not a huge expenditure for me. I don't need men or women to tell me I smell good. Don't give a crap...

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 11:56 AM
Yeah, cologne doesn't really help you any with the ladies. Like, they seriously don't give a **** at the end of the day.

djp
10-12-2010, 11:58 AM
Yeah, cologne doesn't really help you any with the ladies. Like, they seriously don't give a **** at the end of the day.

Well, if you're going out to a bar or something, I don't think it matters, but if I'm going on a date, I'll put a little bit on.

bigbluedefense
10-12-2010, 12:01 PM
Well, if you're going out to a bar or something, I don't think it matters, but if I'm going on a date, I'll put a little bit on.

No doubt. First impressions and what not are important.

Now a days I just look at my girl, she looks at me, and we order a pizza and rent a movie.

Once you break the ice she stops giving a ****.

Rosebud
10-12-2010, 12:10 PM
No doubt. First impressions and what not are important.

Now a days I just look at my girl, she looks at me, and we order a pizza and rent a movie.

Once you break the ice she stops giving a ****.

Unless you go with the walking contradiction look of the thick nicely trimmed bear, wild mane of hair, sweet pair of clarks, slacks, a solid belt with a nasty native american silver belt buckle and a pinky and the brain t-shirt while blaring some gaga or katie perry as you cruise by in your civic hatchback. Then your first impression doesn't leave them with a first impression at all.

prock
10-12-2010, 12:55 PM
1. Shoes (I don't buy expensive ones, but I just really like shoes and I don't feel bad spending money on them)
2. Beer
3. Buds
4. Concert tickets
5. Cologne (once a year I like to buy a new one)
6. Women

A Perfect Score
10-12-2010, 01:02 PM
I won't lie, most of my money goes towards booze, girlfriend, or food. Other then that, I'm a pretty simple guy. I like to have a nice computer and a nice watch, since its about the only accessory I like to wear, but other then that nothing much.

CJSchneider
10-12-2010, 01:33 PM
I won't lie, most of my money goes towards booze, girlfriend, or food. Other then that, I'm a pretty simple guy. I like to have a nice computer and a nice watch, since its about the only accessory I like to wear, but other then that nothing much.

That aint no ********.

brat316
10-12-2010, 02:07 PM
The most I spend on jeans is 40. I don't like the slim fit, and don't like buying ripped jeans.

I usually look for out of season, or get a coupon in the e mail, sometimes go to one of those massive outlets like Tanger. I buy them from GAP and AE, 40 dollars usually last me 4 years, and I own like 4-6 at a time.

The Unseen
10-12-2010, 02:32 PM
1. Food
2. Internet
3. Cable
4. Computer
5. TV
6. Soda
7. Some alcohol
8. Books
9. Basic clothing
10. Helping other people
11. Females to a small extent
12. Concert tickets
13. Gas and car stuff if you really need a car

that seems to work

prock
10-12-2010, 02:54 PM
I forgot about Mt. Dew and Easy Mac. Essentials.

wogitalia
10-13-2010, 01:05 AM
I don't get the clothes argument. It's fabric. You're paying for the label and the product will never increase in value. It's an awful investment.

It's an awful investment if you are looking for a financial return. It is an exceptional investment if you are looking for the touch of a lady that you don't have to pay for. Females notice good shirts/style and are generally attracted to it, it is just how it is and spending a little bit extra on clothes can pay handsome dividends. If you have already found the wifey/future wifey then by all means, look like a slob and give everyone else a better chance!

Alcohol is something I've found is worth spending extra on, good vodka, bourbon and beer costs more, unfortunately that is just the way it is.

Cars are generally something not worth spending extra on, you should get a car that basically fits comfortably against your income and doesn't put you under any kind of strain, if you are buying an expensive car as a ***** extension then you are just being stupid with your money and lack confidence in yourself.

Now bikes on the otherhand are worth spending a bit extra on as there are significant safety/performance advantages to a better bike and these should be 2 of the most important considerations in buying them.

Vox Populi
10-13-2010, 01:32 AM
Birthday presents for your mom so she keeps doing your taxes, obviously.

TitansCJftw
10-13-2010, 01:39 AM
haha I dont tip barely anything. I figure if the waiter/waitress doesnt like it then go complain to your employer about it and not the customers. Usually my favorite places to eat at are places you pay ahead of time at the register and then go get your food when it's ready so you dont have to bother about a waiter at all to begin with.

congratulations you are a true piece of sh*t

jayceheathman
10-13-2010, 04:03 AM
http://www.red.com/skin/img/photo_zoom/redone_9.jpg

I want to make love to the Red One camera.

jayceheathman
10-13-2010, 04:04 AM
congratulations you are a true piece of sh*t

The waiter's employers are the one's low balling them but no one gets mad at them for doing so. They get free labor for the most part.

jayceheathman
10-13-2010, 04:16 AM
That's fine if that's your philosophy, just don't eat at sit-down restaurants. It's like accepting government services and then not paying your taxes. It's understood.


And yeah, definitely seafood. Cheap seafood will ******* tear you up. Another thing I would add is a retirement home. Obviously it's not something any of us is thinking about now, but I've already started saving my pennies so I'm not stuck at a place where nobody gives a **** about me.

So not tipping is kind of like finding a stream of a football game online instead of paying for cable or Sunday Ticket where the NFL gets the benefit? A lot of us on this site do that. The majority of the people in the MMA thread find a stream of a UFC PPV online instead of paying the $55. The majority of my taxes go to things I am not using to begin with. A huge portion of your taxes goes to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and I am not using any of them. When it's time for SS, I will basically be getting back the money I put in so that doesnt really count. Does this mean I am getting screwed by the government?

jayceheathman
10-13-2010, 04:37 AM
Now bikes on the otherhand are worth spending a bit extra on as there are significant safety/performance advantages to a better bike and these should be 2 of the most important considerations in buying them.

If you are worried about safety then shouldn't that move you away from buying a bike in the first place?

Mr. Goosemahn
10-13-2010, 04:42 AM
A boob job.

If you ever pay for a boob job, please put in the extra coin. I'm not a fan of the fakes, but at least have them look good.

Nobody likes a botched boob job.

TitanHope
10-13-2010, 06:04 AM
haha I dont tip barely anything. I figure if the waiter/waitress doesnt like it then go complain to your employer about it and not the customers.

The waiter's employers are the one's low balling them but no one gets mad at them for doing so. They get free labor for the most part.

Have you ever worked in the service industry, Jayce?

wogitalia
10-13-2010, 09:12 AM
If you are worried about safety then shouldn't that move you away from buying a bike in the first place?

There is being safety conscious and there is being ultra cautious, after you make the decision to ride you should consider safety, just like driving a car you are taking a risk doing it but no reason to compound that by buying a piece of ****.

Does this mean I am getting screwed by the government?

The US government is very different to the rest of the world if you aren't... All governments take your money and for the most part waste it on meaningless drivel. If you work a real job you will never get back what you put in.

haha I dont tip barely anything

I have basically never tipped in my life... just not the done thing over here, it's actually cheesy to do it.

brat316
10-13-2010, 09:16 AM
What you guys think about coats? I try and not spend to much since styles always change every season. I owned a pea coat for a few years, and now have moved on to the field jacket type of coats.

http://kcp.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pKCP-7993651v383x392.jpg

I bought this from the Kenneth Cole outlet store for 45, with an employee discount.

Hollywood
10-13-2010, 09:20 AM
Have you ever worked a real job before, Jayce?

Fixed it for you.

KobeBryant833
10-13-2010, 10:11 AM
1.food
2.rent
3. booz + condoms

TitleTown088
10-13-2010, 10:38 AM
Education
Coffee
Gin
Beer
Travel
Charity.( Wish I wasn't such an A-hole and did it more though.)

hobbes2053
10-13-2010, 10:54 AM
All this talk about tipping makes this a no-brainer.
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And in no particular order:
1. Drugs & alcohol
2. Date
3. Entertainment (e.g., concerts / festivals, video games, Netflix, condoms, etc.)
4. Food
5. Living arrangements
6. Dress clothes (I get all my other **** on the cheap)
7. Education
8. Travel

The Unseen
10-13-2010, 11:34 AM
The waiter's employers are the one's low balling them but no one gets mad at them for doing so. They get free labor for the most part.

That's not the reason you do it. If you were mad at employees being low balled, you wouldn't just make it worse for them by not tipping. Fight for labor causes doesn't begin by making it worse for laborers.

Shahin
10-13-2010, 12:14 PM
From my experience, servers/waitresses ***** WAY too much for a job that is simple to do that they get paid pretty damn well for. Sure, they don't get a nice base salary, but when you are making enough tips that basically have you making 20$/hr, then you need to shut the **** up.

Although if nobody tips them in the first place, then they just have a ****** service-based job that pays like 9 bucks an hour.

ElectricEye
10-13-2010, 12:17 PM
1. Video Games
2. Books
3. Gym Membership
4. Subs
5. Caffeine

All of those things are helping me stay sane while I'm not working.

Mr. Goosemahn
10-13-2010, 12:32 PM
What you guys think about coats? I try and not spend to much since styles always change every season. I owned a pea coat for a few years, and now have moved on to the field jacket type of coats.

http://kcp.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pKCP-7993651v383x392.jpg

I bought this from the Kenneth Cole outlet store for 45, with an employee discount.

Pretty good deal. I always have a good coat or two, similar to the one you posted.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-13-2010, 12:33 PM
I fail to see the need to leave a solid tip either. I rarely stub, but small tip at the best.

ElectricEye
10-13-2010, 12:54 PM
If it's at the restaurant down the street I go to 10+ times a year, of course I'm going to be more generous, but as a rule I'm not a big tipper.

Also;

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MetSox17
10-13-2010, 12:56 PM
Wow, i'm very surprised at the amount of cheap ass ************* we have on this site. If you don't have some money to spare, stay your ass at home and eat ramen noodles.

CashmoneyDrew
10-13-2010, 12:57 PM
I've worked as a waiter at a country club before so I'm usually a pretty good tipper since I know the feeling of waiting on douchebags and how uneven the job can be. One hour you can be waiting on 6 or 7 tables and the next hour nothing.

RufusMcDaniel
10-13-2010, 12:59 PM
I'm a very generous tipper, even to ugly bitches and dudes....I need new standards.

CashmoneyDrew
10-13-2010, 01:00 PM
I'm a very generous tipper, even to ugly bitches and dudes....I need new standards.

I'd probably tip the girl in your avatar 200%.

A Perfect Score
10-13-2010, 01:01 PM
I'm a pretty strict 15% kind of guy, regardless of the service. If its super good I'll do 20%, but for the most part 15 is good. I too have worked in the service industry and a solid tip can absolutely make your day.

brat316
10-13-2010, 01:04 PM
I'm a pretty strict 15% kind of guy, regardless of the service. If its super good I'll do 20%, but for the most part 15 is good. I too have worked in the service industry and a solid tip can absolutely make your day.

What about gratitude? And are you tipping on top of it?

MetSox17
10-13-2010, 01:06 PM
If gratuity is charged, there's no need to tip. If you wanna tip extra, that's up to you.

SuperMcGee
10-13-2010, 01:14 PM
I'll agree on a nice coat being one of the few things for which I'll put up a decent amount of money. Clothes I'll buy pretty regularly, but never anything too pricey.

Most of my money goes to various hockey-related expenses and food. But I agree whole-heartedly on spending on travel, or even just big events. Money was not much of an issue when the Winter Classic was in Buffalo or for the WJC this year.

Razor
10-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Clothes
I spend way too much on clothes considering I'm a student, but it's worth it. The fabric is usually much better, so it feels really nice. Eton shirts are by far my favourites. Also suits, I love it.. Plus, the chicks like it.

Food
You can definetly taste the difference, and since ost of my family are in the food business I have always had good meat and such. So I spend a lot on that.

Alchohol
I hate cheap booze. It just taste like ****. Also wine. It's especially worth it when you buy wine.

Other than that, I probably spend too much in general. But I like quality over quantity, so I think it's worth it.

Chucky
10-13-2010, 02:16 PM
In the past year or so...I have really started dropping cash on suits(and shirts,ties and belts) and getting nicer ones. THat it something where you can really tell the difference

ATLDirtyBirds
10-13-2010, 02:24 PM
Wow, i'm very surprised at the amount of cheap ass ************* we have on this site. If you don't have some money to spare, stay your ass at home and eat ramen noodles.


Why exactly should I give my "money to spare" to someone I don't know for doing their job?

UKfan
10-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Its gotta be a watch for me, that's what I normally splash out on...

bsaza2358
10-13-2010, 02:51 PM
The food in America is cheaper than the food in Europe because the labor costs are lower. Waiters and waitresses can expect to earn tips to supplement their income, so it is generally accepted principle that you should be tipping based on the level of service.

I'm generally a more generous tipper and lean 18-20% across the board. I will drop as low as 10% for bad service, but I'll go higher if I feel like the level of service is high. You are paying for the service. The service is that they take your order, bring you refills on drinks, clear your plates. That service is not built into the cost of the meal itself, so you should all look to offer an additional amount for that service.

PackerLegend
10-13-2010, 03:59 PM
"Its the employers fault they aren't getting paid enough and not my responsibility" You guys are ridiculous. How can you not leave a tip and feel like your not a giant douchebag? Its not like you need to take out a loan to leave a tip. Its a few bucks depending on how much you spent. I know literally the cheapest mother****er in the world and even he leaves whats considered a normal tip for the cost.

Shane P. Hallam
10-13-2010, 04:04 PM
I always give 20%+ unless the service was very poor, then 10-12%.

CC.SD
10-13-2010, 04:04 PM
Yah you gotta tip you assholes.

Worth spending money on: Really awesome looking jeans. Cool dark jeans, roll up the sleeves on a button down shirt and you can exist in literally any environment...work, casual, dating, sleeping

CashmoneyDrew
10-13-2010, 04:09 PM
Am I the only person here that has like literally two pairs of jeans?

MetSox17
10-13-2010, 04:13 PM
I only have four that i regularly use, so i'm not that far off.

Hawk
10-13-2010, 04:21 PM
I usually tip 20%. I know how much it sucks working in restaurants and I'm not gonna be a hypocritical douchebag and not tip. Even if the food sucks, most of the time it isn't the server's fault.

Most restaurants the tip is part of their wage and they're hourly wage is less than minimum wage. So tip good you cheap asses!!

GB12
10-13-2010, 04:36 PM
You have to tip, but the problem is people tip too much. It's become almost mandatory to tip 20% or people will call you a cheap ass. That is ridiculous. I know people who average more than $20 an hour at just a mid level restaurant. Sorry, but waiters don't need to be making that much.

K Train
10-13-2010, 04:37 PM
Drugs, Alcohol, Sunday Ticket

Underarmour socks and boxers, its all i wear

tjsunstein
10-13-2010, 04:44 PM
Nice clothes have slowly crept up my list. Girls notice. A good cologne. None of this will help if you don't have a good personality, though, so don't go out and spend 60 on a name brand t-shirt and another 80 on a nice cologne just to have nothing to talk about.

General Zod
10-13-2010, 05:10 PM
A must have....
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niel89
10-13-2010, 05:28 PM
I usually tip between 15-20%, whatever is closer to the nearest multiple of 5-ish.

terribletowel39
10-13-2010, 06:00 PM
Am I the only person here that has like literally two pairs of jeans?
I have one. Indeed. One pair of Old Navy Jeans until the bottoms wear out from me wearing them, then I buy another of the same kind.

Food is basically my only thing.
Oh, and Droid. I don't even have internet at my house now because of Droid. Although Droid is expensive.

hobbes2053
10-13-2010, 06:13 PM
Am I the only person here that has like literally two pairs of jeans?

Not at all. I wear sweatpants everyday to class. Jeans make an appearance on the weekend if they're lucky.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-13-2010, 09:29 PM
You are paying for the service. The service is that they take your order, bring you refills on drinks, clear your plates. That service is not built into the cost of the meal itself, so you should all look to offer an additional amount for that service.

I fail to see how this lends itself to a 20% tip that I commonly see. It's not like I'm asking them to entertain me as they do this. It's a simple job. 10% is pretty much what I'll stick at if the service is good. 15% if it's real good, and below average, you are probably getting a dollar or two.

terribletowel39
10-13-2010, 09:38 PM
I'm voting for the douchebaggery move if you don't tip. It is how they make their money. It is a hard job. For those who say they don't need it, you clearly have never worked in the food industry.

vikes_28
10-13-2010, 10:04 PM
My fiancee is a waitress. There is nothing that frustrates her more than when a huge group comes in and leaves $10 total. I usually leave 15%, and 20% if it's really good service.

Pil
10-13-2010, 10:08 PM
I anxiously await YFS's list.

TitanHope
10-13-2010, 10:09 PM
Why exactly should I give my "money to spare" to someone I don't know for doing their job?

Because they're being paid somewhere around $2.15 to wait on you hand and foot. Yes, it's their job. And as a consumer, it's your job to know that this person serving you is getting paid less than $3 to serve you for the hour you're sitting at the table, and that most of that money goes to taxes and not to the server. Tips are how they make their living. So if your tips are minimal, then you're drastically affecting their income. Not to mention, they have to share their tips with the busboys who clear off the tables.

Say you're out to eat by yourself and a server is waiting on you. You order a $15 dollar meal and take up the table for an hour, and by your usual 10% tip, you leave them $1.50. That person just made a whopping $3.65/hour on you. Now, the server has to give a little of that $1.50 to his/her busboy. Plus, that $2.15 base hourly wage doesn't count per table. If they have 4 tables, then it doesn't get quadrupled. It's still $2.15, and they've gotta wait on 4 different tables.

Waiters live on tips. The base salary they have is basically to cover taxes, maybe insurance, or to at least make it so that if they have a horrible day, they at least made a little money.

As a consumer, when you have a waiter, you have the knowledge that you'll basically be the one paying their wage while they wait on you. If you think you have all the right in the world to restrict your tips because you're not their legal employer and they're being paid by somebody else, then you're either an ignorant mother ******, a complete dick, or a greedy bastard.

Obviously, different states have different laws on wages, so what I listed isn't correct everywhere. But it is like that in most places. And obviously, these things change depending on the quality of the restaurant.

brat316
10-13-2010, 10:09 PM
My fiancee is a waitress. There is nothing that frustrates her more than when a huge group comes in and leaves $10 total. I usually leave 15%, and 20% if it's really good service.

Does she work at some super expensive restaurant? If the bill is like 70 dollars $10 dollars is around the 15 mark.

brat316
10-13-2010, 10:13 PM
Just avoid this whole mess. Don't eat out at restaurants like me, save mad loot spend on other things. Also look better.

vikes_28
10-13-2010, 10:17 PM
Does she work at some super expensive restaurant? If the bill is like 70 dollars $10 dollars is around the 15 mark.

She works at your run of the mill, fancy bar and grill. The food is on average about $10 a meal. So it's pretty average. But at the same time, when you get a group that has 10-15 people in it, with drinks and everything the total bill is usually around 150. It's usually the lame high school kids that come in and order and then not leave a tip.

VoteLynnSwan
10-13-2010, 10:19 PM
I should make a legitimate list for this stuff just for my personal reference

Toilet Paper - No explanation needed...
Q-Tips - The off brands are horrible...
Klenex - Facial tissues are for pansies. You can tell the difference here...
Paper Plate - The cheap ones can't hold anything...
Paper - Cheap paper sucks...
Pencils - Gotta be a Ticonderoga or I'm not using it...

Clothes/Shoes - I can't afford at this point to be buying really expensive stuff, but I foresee this as a problem of mine when I come into some funds...

dabears10
10-13-2010, 10:25 PM
So what is everyones protocol for tipping at a bar? I usually rock a dollar a drink. Or if it is busy I go 5 bucks on the first drink and a dollar every other afterward.

Any other theories?

TitansCJftw
10-13-2010, 10:39 PM
It's usually the lame high school kids that come in and order and then not leave a tip.

i sometimes forget that is what a lot of the posters are, all you cheap ***** can die

terribletowel39
10-13-2010, 10:46 PM
So what is everyones protocol for tipping at a bar? I usually rock a dollar a drink. Or if it is busy I go 5 bucks on the first drink and a dollar every other afterward.

Any other theories?
Unfortunately, if I am at a bar, I am racking up a tab, and by the nights end, just tip ridiculous.

When I did pay the cash, your rule of thumb is about right. There is no way to keep up with that **** though by the end of the night.

wogitalia
10-14-2010, 01:40 AM
Man does a 20% tip sound excessive... if you are eating out and there are 2 of you then that is a $200 meal with drinks, honestly, no way the service could be good enough to deserve $40 worth of tip.

I understand the benefits of a tipping system, it encourages the staff to actually be good at their job, but at 20% that is just ridiculous, they'd want to be a dime working topless to justify that kind of tip. No problem with 20% on a ****** meal but what is the point of going out to eat crap?

Man would waiters love a 20% tip to some of the meals when we have like 10 of us out at once... looking at a couple of hundred for at most a couple of hours work, that is absurd...

yourfavestoner
10-14-2010, 01:43 AM
Man does a 20% tip sound excessive... if you are eating out and there are 2 of you then that is a $200 meal with drinks, honestly, no way the service could be good enough to deserve $40 worth of tip.

I understand the benefits of a tipping system, it encourages the staff to actually be good at their job, but at 20% that is just ridiculous, they'd want to be a dime working topless to justify that kind of tip. No problem with 20% on a ****** meal but what is the point of going out to eat crap?

Man would waiters love a 20% tip to some of the meals when we have like 10 of us out at once... looking at a couple of hundred for at most a couple of hours work, that is absurd...

No meal here is $200 for two people except at the most ridiculously expensive of places. MAYBE $150, and that'd be after a ******** of good drinks.

RaiderNation
10-14-2010, 01:52 AM
Blunt cutter key chain....

I still think mine was the best. $2 for something you can use the rest of your life

yourfavestoner
10-14-2010, 01:54 AM
I still think mine was the best. $2 for something you can use the rest of your life

Nah, the blades in those things go dull after awhile so you'll have to get a new one. I used to have a lighter with one of those built in.

tEk
10-14-2010, 02:47 AM
i will spend good money on

- good meat, groceries
- tires for my car(only part of the car that meets the road)
- electronics you cant tell me you like the picture on a westinghouse better than my samsung
- shoes New Balance for life. i would rather have a comfortable pair of shoes than a great looking pair of shoes.

TitansCJftw
10-14-2010, 03:09 AM
mass neg rep for all pieces of trash who dont tip especially jayce i neg repped him for being a piece of **** and he neg repped me to die, all bs tippers neg rep and i hope you die and you are young ignorant and do not understand the service industry aka **** you

MetSox17
10-14-2010, 03:20 AM
Man does a 20% tip sound excessive... if you are eating out and there are 2 of you then that is a $200 meal with drinks, honestly, no way the service could be good enough to deserve $40 worth of tip.

I understand the benefits of a tipping system, it encourages the staff to actually be good at their job, but at 20% that is just ridiculous, they'd want to be a dime working topless to justify that kind of tip. No problem with 20% on a ****** meal but what is the point of going out to eat crap?

Man would waiters love a 20% tip to some of the meals when we have like 10 of us out at once... looking at a couple of hundred for at most a couple of hours work, that is absurd...

Yeah, like YFS said, idk where the hell you're eating, but people don't go regularly to places where you're spending $200 for a dinner for two. On that same token though, if you can afford spending two hundred bones for dinner on one date night, i'm sure you could spare 30 for a tip. If you racked up that high a tab there's a good chance you had your server up and down a handful of times getting you your ****.

Mr. Goosemahn
10-14-2010, 03:50 AM
I'll usually round it up to a good, even number.

Like if the total is 10.76 I'll do the math and close it at $12 or $13, depending on how good the service was.

Usually go 15-20% in the US. Back in Mexico the rule of thumb is 10%, usually go 10-15%.

Brent
10-14-2010, 05:41 AM
I tip well, but I rarely go to restaurants where people are waiting on me. For some reason, it's always felt weird for someone to wait on me. I prefer restaurants where they just call your number and you walk up to a counter to get your food.

Caddy
10-14-2010, 08:00 AM
The reason Wogitalia was kind of getting at is that tipping isn't really an issue in Australia. The customer service/food industry workers like waiters and bartenders get paid on par with the rest of the work force and for the most part are paid around 20+ bucks an hour. In Australia tipping is not necessary nor is it always expected.

bsaza2358
10-14-2010, 09:43 AM
Additionally, in Australia, the food prices are inflated to account for the higher salary of the workers. Tipping doesn't matter because the servers make what they make already.

Tipping is part of our culture. For the most part, servers work really hard. It is a demanding job, and they get paid essentially nothing. They rely on tips to live. Period.

I live in DC, originally from Philly, and I go to NY and Minneapolis a lot for work. In big cities, there are a lot of really expensive and nice restaurants where the entrees are $30+ per person. If you get any sort of appetizer or drinks, you end up with anywhere from $60-100 per person. It is easy to get up to $200. However, once you get into that range, you aren't expected to tip 20%. 10-15% of a $200 tab is acceptable.

Now, for big groups, restaurants will automatically add gratuity. That is because working with such a big group is especially difficult for the server. There are lots of drinks, lots of food, lots of details, and caring for that large a group also takes focus away from other customers. It is an insurance mechanism to ensure that one person who refuses to tip an "acceptable" amount won't completely bomb a waiter's entire night.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-14-2010, 02:03 PM
Because they're being paid somewhere around $2.15 to wait on you hand and foot. Yes, it's their job. And as a consumer, it's your job to know that this person serving you is getting paid less than $3 to serve you for the hour you're sitting at the table, and that most of that money goes to taxes and not to the server. Tips are how they make their living. So if your tips are minimal, then you're drastically affecting their income. Not to mention, they have to share their tips with the busboys who clear off the tables.

Say you're out to eat by yourself and a server is waiting on you. You order a $15 dollar meal and take up the table for an hour, and by your usual 10% tip, you leave them $1.50. That person just made a whopping $3.65/hour on you. Now, the server has to give a little of that $1.50 to his/her busboy. Plus, that $2.15 base hourly wage doesn't count per table. If they have 4 tables, then it doesn't get quadrupled. It's still $2.15, and they've gotta wait on 4 different tables.

Waiters live on tips. The base salary they have is basically to cover taxes, maybe insurance, or to at least make it so that if they have a horrible day, they at least made a little money.

As a consumer, when you have a waiter, you have the knowledge that you'll basically be the one paying their wage while they wait on you. If you think you have all the right in the world to restrict your tips because you're not their legal employer and they're being paid by somebody else, then you're either an ignorant mother ******, a complete dick, or a greedy bastard.
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I'm going to guess I fall under the complete dick category than. What they are doing is pretty simple and not even remotely close to being worth the cash they get with a "regular tip" of something like 20%.

i sometimes forget that is what a lot of the posters are, all you cheap ***** can die

You need to chill out guy. It's really not that big of a deal. And you can't pull the whole "OMG, you never worked in service!" because I did. I was thankful that people gave me jack **** for essentially writing down their order and carrying it from the kitchen to them. And as people have said, I know waiters/waitresses who make around $20/hr. That's ******* ridiculous, and if they have a problem with a 10% tip, they can gladly go work for minimum wage with no tips and see how that suits them.

bearsfan_51
10-14-2010, 02:39 PM
I'm going to guess I fall under the complete dick category than. What they are doing is pretty simple and not even remotely close to being worth the cash they get with a "regular tip" of something like 20%.



You need to chill out guy. It's really not that big of a deal. And you can't pull the whole "OMG, you never worked in service!" because I did. I was thankful that people gave me jack **** for essentially writing down their order and carrying it from the kitchen to them. And as people have said, I know waiters/waitresses who make around $20/hr. That's ******* ridiculous, and if they have a problem with a 10% tip, they can gladly go work for minimum wage with no tips and see how that suits them.
I really hope people **** in your food.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-14-2010, 03:02 PM
I really hope people **** in your food.


Maybe I should just double down on my check.

RaiderNation
10-14-2010, 03:08 PM
I always tip atleast $2 or $3, I know how it feels to be the worker who doesnt get the tips. I deliver pizza's 3 days a week and when I dont get any tips I am always pissed. Luckily there are the rich people in my town who tip like $15-20

yo123
10-14-2010, 03:18 PM
I always tip atleast $2 or $3, I know how it feels to be the worker who doesnt get the tips. I deliver pizza's 3 days a week and when I dont get any tips I am always pissed. Luckily there are the rich people in my town who tip like $15-20


15-20?!?!?!?! I delivered pizzas all summer and the most I ever got was about 9 dollars. You must have been making bank.

RaiderNation
10-14-2010, 03:20 PM
15-20?!?!?!?! I delivered pizzas all summer and the most I ever got was about 9 dollars. You must have been making bank.

It only has happened to me around 3 or 4 times though in the 3 monthes Ive been working there. Mostly I get around $4 or $5 per tip. Most Ive made off tips in one shift(4hours) is $60. I probably average around $35 everytime I work for tips

Hollywood
10-14-2010, 03:55 PM
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It is easy to get up to $200. However, once you get into that range, you aren't expected to tip 20%. 10-15% of a $200 tab is acceptable.




This is definitely not true.

yourfavestoner
10-14-2010, 04:42 PM
It only has happened to me around 3 or 4 times though in the 3 monthes Ive been working there. Mostly I get around $4 or $5 per tip. Most Ive made off tips in one shift(4hours) is $60. I probably average around $35 everytime I work for tips

I remember when I used to do deliveries for Pita Pit...

If the owner wasn't there, I'd take down the order on a piece of paper. If it was easy, and I knew what the amount would be off the top of my head (more likely than not), I wouldn't even enter it in the computer. I'd take the delivery and get straight cash homey. I got a $20 tip on one of those (on what was, like, a $30 order).

bsaza2358
10-14-2010, 04:47 PM
It is easy to get up to $200. However, once you get into that range, you aren't expected to tip 20%. 10-15% of a $200 tab is acceptable.

This is definitely not true.

How do you figure? At a certain point, the tip is just the tip. You aren't expected to go up to 20% gratuity infinitely. How much is too much? Use your best judgment. I'm a good tipper, but I'm flattening out my tip percentages as the bill goes above $200-250.

TitanHope
10-14-2010, 05:26 PM
I'm going to guess I fall under the complete dick category than.

You said it.

Hollywood
10-14-2010, 05:48 PM
How do you figure? At a certain point, the tip is just the tip. You aren't expected to go up to 20% gratuity infinitely. How much is too much? Use your best judgment. I'm a good tipper, but I'm flattening out my tip percentages as the bill goes above $200-250.


I've worked at just about every position (bartender, manager, server) in every type of restaurant; and I assure you that's not true.

20% is standard tip, just because your bill is higher doesn't mean that suddenly becomes less standard. And 10% on a 200 bill is not that much, especially considering in most fine dining restaurants the server is tipping out over 5% of his tips to the support staff...IE busser, food runner, bartender, etc.

The only way this rule may apply is if someone orders a big time bottle of wine, say a $200+ bottle (to go along with there $200 worth of food), some feel you don't have to tip 20% on the bottle.

jayceheathman
10-14-2010, 11:23 PM
I'm going to guess I fall under the complete dick category than. What they are doing is pretty simple and not even remotely close to being worth the cash they get with a "regular tip" of something like 20%.



You need to chill out guy. It's really not that big of a deal. And you can't pull the whole "OMG, you never worked in service!" because I did. I was thankful that people gave me jack **** for essentially writing down their order and carrying it from the kitchen to them. And as people have said, I know waiters/waitresses who make around $20/hr. That's ******* ridiculous, and if they have a problem with a 10% tip, they can gladly go work for minimum wage with no tips and see how that suits them.

haha I agree. I dont see why you tip when a waiter takes your order, brings your food, brings your drink, and gives you refills. That is same thing a McDonalds person does at the counter and no one tips them. They take my order, give me my change back, get my food, get my drink, and get me a refill when I ask for one at the counter.

When you go to the grocery store the person at the check out line, rings up your stuff, bags your items, puts your items back in your cart, and cashes you out and they dont get tips. Every so often if the place is busy then another person will bag but a lot of times I see the cashier also bags as well.

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2010, 11:28 PM
haha I agree. I dont see why you tip when a waiter takes your order, brings your food, brings your drink, and gives you refills. That is same thing a McDonalds person does at the counter and no one tips them. They take my order, give me my change back, get my food, get my drink, and get me a refill when I ask for one.

And you continue to prove you've never worked as a server. Not to mention those people at McDonalds make at least 3X times as much as most restaurant servers.

jayceheathman
10-14-2010, 11:33 PM
And you continue to prove you've never worked as a server. Not to mention those people at McDonalds make at least 3X times as much as most restaurant servers.

Thats my point though. Waiters should go complain to their employer who is the one supposed to be paying you and not the customers.

I like one restaurant where quesadillas are $3.99. A whole 10% tip would be a whopping 39 cents. :)

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2010, 11:38 PM
If the waiters did get their pay raised by their employers than the price of your food would just go up 20% or more.

TitanHope
10-14-2010, 11:48 PM
Thats my point though. Waiters should go complain to their employer who is the one supposed to be paying you and not the customers.

If the servers got paid a minimum wage and tips should only be like a dollar or two, then there'd be no incentive to do better at your job. Not to mention, a guy waiting 1 table would make the same as the girl waiting on 4. So by the tipping mattering so much, the people who go above and beyond are rewarded. It provides a better experience for the customer, and is more beneficial and fair to the worker.

And honestly, if I went to my boss and said, "Y'know, I want a higher wage. This whole tip thing...I don't like it," then he would've probably told me it's this or I can look to find a job stocking shelves or something.

And we already saw what hiking minimum wages did to places like McDonalds. They raised some of the prices on their food. The Double Cheeseburger at McDonalds came off the Dollar Menu when worker wages were raised. So yeah, people celebrated because their checks were higher, but the price of some of the products that the employing company sold were increased to counteract them having to pay employees more money. That money had to come from somewhere, so it came from the consumer.

So no matter what, the money still comes from your pocket.

MetSox17
10-14-2010, 11:49 PM
He goes to restaurants where he eats four dollar quesadillas, wtf does he know about nice dining.

jayceheathman
10-14-2010, 11:53 PM
If the waiters did get their pay raised by their employers than the price of your food would just go up 20% or more.

I would much rather be in favor of this happening than expecting everyone to pay tips.

Also, if McDonalds people make more money per hour then why doesnt everyone work there?

terribletowel39
10-14-2010, 11:55 PM
I would much rather be in favor of this happening than expecting everyone to pay tips.

Also, if McDonalds people make more money per hour then why doesnt everyone work there?
Because most people aren't douches and pay tips and so that is a more rewarding job, financially.

jayceheathman
10-14-2010, 11:56 PM
He goes to restaurants where he eats four dollar quesadillas, wtf does he know about nice dining.

That place is the deal of the century. :)

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2010, 11:58 PM
I would much rather be in favor of this happening than expecting everyone to pay tips.

No you wouldn't. Like TitanHope said, your service would just go down and you'd ***** about that.

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 12:04 AM
No you wouldn't. Like TitanHope said, your service would just go down and you'd ***** about that.

It's simple supply and demand so I would much rather prices of food go up if the company needs money rather than expecting customers to pay all of your labor so you can slack off and only pay them $3 an hour.

I already ***** about that to the point where the main restaurants I go to is the one quesadilla place and places where you pay at the counter and go get your food when it's ready. It takes me all of 1 minute to fill up my drink at the coke machine and get up and get my food when it's ready at the counter. Somehow that much work is worth 15%.

Waiters act like they have the hardest job in the world and then get mad when a group shows up 15 minutes before closing. News flash, you aren't the only people that have to work over time or work hard.

TitanHope
10-15-2010, 12:04 AM
Also, if McDonalds people make more money per hour then why doesnt everyone work there?

Because servers get tips. Voodoo was talking base wage. McDonalds workers get minimum wage, which varies by state but is at least $7.25 in most states. Servers make around $2.15, which varies depending on how expensive the restaurant is. That's the 3x Voodoo is talking about. So without tips, McDonalds workers are making more 3x more money, which is ridiculous since serving is the more difficult job.

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 12:10 AM
Because servers get tips. Voodoo was talking base wage. McDonalds workers get minimum wage, which varies by state but is at least $7.25 in most states. Servers make around $2.15, which varies depending on how expensive the restaurant is. That's the 3x Voodoo is talking about. So without tips, McDonalds workers are making more 3x more money, which is ridiculous since serving is the more difficult job.

How is serving more difficult? The person at the counter for McDonalds literally does the same thing. They take my order, they grab my food, they give me my food, they fill up my drink, and they cash me out. Thats all waiters do for me other than asking "How did your meal turn out?"

Looks like it's just me and you ATLDirtyBirds. :)

wogitalia
10-15-2010, 12:10 AM
No you wouldn't. Like TitanHope said, your service would just go down and you'd ***** about that.

That is certainly the best thing I can see about tipping and really the only reason for it. I'd love if at least bar tenders worked on that policy over here so they would serve drinks quicker!

MetSox17
10-15-2010, 12:16 AM
It's simple supply and demand so I would much rather prices of food go up if the company needs money rather than expecting customers to pay all of your labor so you can slack off and only pay them $3 an hour.

I already ***** about that to the point where the main restaurants I go to is the one quesadilla place and places where you pay at the counter and go get your food when it's ready. It takes me all of 1 minute to fill up my drink at the coke machine and get up and get my food when it's ready at the counter. Somehow that much work is worth 15%.

Waiters act like they have the hardest job in the world and then get mad when a group shows up 15 minutes before closing. News flash, you aren't the only people that have to work over time or work hard.

Good then, don't ever go to places where you get waited on, cause you have to be the biggest cheapskate i've ever known of

Again, spoken like a truly ignorant person that has never worked the industry. During rush hour you have 5+ tables to take care of. That's around 20 people, so that means 20 drinks, 20 apps, 20 entrees, 20 desserts. That's in about one hour, for about three hours straight, until it slows down again. If you've never done it, don't ******* talk like you know how not difficult it is. And the reason it upsets the servers when people come in at the end, is because servers start their work to close the restaurant early. You have to fold silverware, set up for the people working in the morning, dump out all the coffee, tea, clean the server area, set up plates and the tables, refill the shakers, the works. When people come in late, they push your work back, so you have to work that extra hour and a half at the end making two bucks an hour when you aren't receiving any tips. So please, stop being an idiot and just stop talking.

CashmoneyDrew
10-15-2010, 12:20 AM
Jayce is just going to continue to justify his douche. It's fairly obvious you don't know what you're talking about sir. Until you serve tables for a living don't ever compare it to typing in an order at McDonalds.

TitanHope
10-15-2010, 12:29 AM
How is serving more difficult? The person at the counter for McDonalds literally does the same thing. They take my order, they grab my food, they give me my food, they fill up my drink, and they cash me out. Thats all waiters do for me other than asking "How did your meal turn out?"

Is that a serious question? You honestly don't understand how serving at a sit down restaurant requires more work than people taking orders at a fast food joint like McDonalds?

It's been explained already, and the rest is common knowledge. If you don't understand that, then I think you shouldn't be involved in this discussion.

Looks like it's just me and you ATLDirtyBirds. :)

Being in the minority is not always a good thing.

Shahin
10-15-2010, 01:19 AM
For the record, my post earlier is coming from a guy who lives in California. Waiters here make like 8.50 plus tips, not 2 dollars (which is insane).

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 01:32 AM
For the record, my post earlier is coming from a guy who lives in California. Waiters here make like 8.50 plus tips, not 2 dollars (which is insane).

That's how it should be. The place should pay their waiters a fair amount and not $3 an hour.

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 01:36 AM
Is that a serious question? You honestly don't understand how serving at a sit down restaurant requires more work than people taking orders at a fast food joint like McDonalds?

It's been explained already, and the rest is common knowledge. If you don't understand that, then I think you shouldn't be involved in this discussion.



Being in the minority is not always a good thing.

My point is that the majority of jobs the people work just as hard but they dont get tips. They get paid a fair amount by their employer like it should be. One of you guys proved my point that you aren't about to complain to your employer because he/she would say "get the f out if you dont like it," and so instead you bring it out on the customers. I would much rather the place raise the price by 20%. Typical income and substitution effect models would state that not all of it would be passed on to the consumers. Sure, some of it would be but still the restaurant would deal with a little bit of it.

I also dont like how some waiters make more on tips just because the cook just so happens to be making more expensive food. They still do the same job as other waiters at cheaper dining areas but they make more money. A family of 3 visiting a steak place where it costs about $20-$25 per steak and drinks that are now a ridiculous like $3 a glass and with tax the bill could hit $80. How is delivering 3 steaks and 3 drinks worth $16 with a 20% tip. Then if you go to Dennys and the meals are $7 a person plus drinks then the bill only hits $30 and the waiter gets a $6 tip. One person made the argument that rich people go to steak places, well if a rich person goes to Denny's I doubt they pay almost a 60% tip.

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 01:50 AM
Good then, don't ever go to places where you get waited on, cause you have to be the biggest cheapskate i've ever known of

Again, spoken like a truly ignorant person that has never worked the industry. During rush hour you have 5+ tables to take care of. That's around 20 people, so that means 20 drinks, 20 apps, 20 entrees, 20 desserts. That's in about one hour, for about three hours straight, until it slows down again. If you've never done it, don't ******* talk like you know how not difficult it is. And the reason it upsets the servers when people come in at the end, is because servers start their work to close the restaurant early. You have to fold silverware, set up for the people working in the morning, dump out all the coffee, tea, clean the server area, set up plates and the tables, refill the shakers, the works. When people come in late, they push your work back, so you have to work that extra hour and a half at the end making two bucks an hour when you aren't receiving any tips. So please, stop being an idiot and just stop talking.

You can't tell me that you haven't watched a stream of a sporting event online or illegally downloaded a song without paying for it. Everyone acts like doing those things are okay but when it comes to not tipping then you are a cheapskate.

In none of anyone's posts have any of you mentioned your employer being a cheapskate for paying half of what minimum wage is. A tip isn't a mandatory thing. If you want it to be mandatory then raise your prices like I have said. A tip is optional and if we dont feel like giving someone 20% then we dont have to.

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 02:00 AM
There is being safety conscious and there is being ultra cautious, after you make the decision to ride you should consider safety, just like driving a car you are taking a risk doing it but no reason to compound that by buying a piece of ****.



The US government is very different to the rest of the world if you aren't... All governments take your money and for the most part waste it on meaningless drivel. If you work a real job you will never get back what you put in.



I have basically never tipped in my life... just not the done thing over here, it's actually cheesy to do it.

Cheesy to tip? I want to live where you live. :)

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 02:02 AM
Have you ever worked a real job before Jayce?

Fixed it for you.

haha Nice. :) I live by the quote "Find something you love and you will never have to work a day in your life."

jayceheathman
10-15-2010, 02:15 AM
In the past year or so...I have really started dropping cash on suits(and shirts,ties and belts) and getting nicer ones. THat it something where you can really tell the difference

I'm a little partial on this after having watched the NFL and NBA drafts before. Some of those guys look ridiculous in their suits even though you know they are worth a fortune. I do agree that a nice suit can go a long way. I dont get the trend of letting your handkerchief stick out your suit pocket. It looks stupid to me.

TitanHope
10-15-2010, 02:36 AM
My point is that the majority of jobs the people work just as hard but they dont get tips. They get paid a fair amount by their employer like it should be. One of you guys proved my point that you aren't about to complain to your employer because he/she would say "get the f out if you dont like it," and so instead you bring it out on the customers. I would much rather the place raise the price by 20%. Typical income and substitution effect models would state that not all of it would be passed on to the consumers. Sure, some of it would be but still the restaurant would deal with a little bit of it.

That's not how this works. These people have no choice but to make the majority of their pay this way. You have a problem with it? Doesn't matter. Does not change things. If that's your view point, then you fall into the three things I said before: ignorant, a dick, or greedy.

Welcome to the real world where you don't always get to make the rules. This is the situation that servers are in. You refusing to tip them the appropriate amount (around 15%-20%, the former being fairly customary and the latter being generous) and then supporting that by saying they can go complain to their boss, who will then say no or tell them to get another job, is wrong. That's not an excuse. It's an ultimatum that no considerate person would make.

I also dont like how some waiters make more on tips just because the cook just so happens to be making more expensive food. They still do the same job as other waiters at cheaper dining areas but they make more money. A family of 3 visiting a steak place where it costs about $20-$25 per steak and drinks that are now a ridiculous like $3 a glass and with tax the bill could hit $80. How is delivering 3 steaks and 3 drinks worth $16 with a 20% tip. Then if you go to Dennys and the meals are $7 a person plus drinks then the bill only hits $30 and the waiter gets a $6 tip. One person made the argument that rich people go to steak places, well if a rich person goes to Denny's I doubt they pay almost a 60% tip.

Waiters at very expensive restaurants are better than the ones who work at Denney's, which is why they work there and not Denney's. It's probably easier to work there at Denney's, and at nicer restaurants the amount of food may exceed a single plate per person. The nicer restaurant may be larger. Less is probably required from you personally. You probably don't have to cut your hair and stay clean shaven if you work at Denney's. Again, did you not seriously understand that one like the restautant/McDonalds question?

And if you do have a fundamental problem with it, by all means, stick with Denney's and avoid the nicer things.


But yeah, I'm tapping out on this one now. You guys have fun.

Brothgar
10-15-2010, 02:47 AM
Things that are worth spending extra money on.
1. Shoes - I walk ten times as much as I drive so a comfortable pair of shoes are invaluable plus they pay for themselves if it makes me walk more.

2. Internet - On an internet where most things are free or can be found for free. High speed internet is well worth it low buffer, low load time and you don't have to refresh so much.

3. RPG video games - Going to the movies by yourself costs 18 bucks in the city when it is all said and done. For a 2 hour film. RPGs will last you usually 100 hours of fun or 50x as much as a movie or approx .50 an hour at best. That is assuming you buy them new used its like 10-20 cents an hour well worth it IMO.

4. Netflix - Netflix when you can afford it is a good investment way better than Cable TV unless you are getting some sort of Direct TV NFL package. You can watch a whole season one after another without commercials. You can also stream it from your computer so you can watch nearly anything any time without having to DL or anything.

5. Beer - If you've ever had good beer then had bad beer then had good beer again it isn't even close. Even the "buzz" you get from most good beer is much more intense IMO.

tjsunstein
10-15-2010, 02:54 AM
Gym Membership has to be up there.
Netflix is a good one, I just might sign myself up.

bsaza2358
10-15-2010, 09:19 AM
I don't think you have to spend big money on a gym membership. For most people, the YMCA or other community center gym offers a lot of the benefits without the cost...

At the same time, it's all about priorities for people. I'm not hating on what people choose to spend their money on. However, I am hating on people who don't tip...

ATLDirtyBirds
10-15-2010, 11:28 AM
How is serving more difficult? The person at the counter for McDonalds literally does the same thing. They take my order, they grab my food, they give me my food, they fill up my drink, and they cash me out. Thats all waiters do for me other than asking "How did your meal turn out?"

Looks like it's just me and you ATLDirtyBirds. :)



Not only that, but waiters don't even ring you up most of the time. And for the people questioning if jayce ever worked a servers job, have you? It's really not difficult like you are making it out to be. You write down the order, carry it out, and you are friendly. Certainly doesn't seem like a job that requires you laying out big tips.

No one tips the guy who points out where something is in a retail store, or (in NJ) the person who pumps your gas. If you are making 10 cents an hour, I don't know, find another job? Go work in a fast food joint, retail job, or something of the like.

By all means though, let's end this. It's a rather silly argument. I don't need see the need to tip heavily for someone doing an extremely simple job they chose to do, and the "regular" tippers feel as if they need to do it so that the workers are fairly compensated, have empathy for them, whatever.

CashmoneyDrew
10-15-2010, 11:29 AM
I just renewed my Y membership and I'm happy enough with it.

As for the tipping thing, Jayce do you at least tell your servers straight up at the start of dinner that you won't be tipping them?

Brothgar
10-15-2010, 12:13 PM
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brat316
10-15-2010, 04:44 PM
Yeah does anyone tip for full service gas?

VoteLynnSwan
10-15-2010, 04:53 PM
Yeah does anyone tip for full service gas?

they don't have those in states that aren't New Jersey.

niel89
10-15-2010, 04:57 PM
What is full service gas? I know of only one place that fills it up for you and that's it.

Brent
10-15-2010, 06:35 PM
they don't have those in states that aren't New Jersey.
Oregon used to require that you have someone pump your gas, I dont know if they still do it.

yourfavestoner
10-15-2010, 06:37 PM
I remember when I first went to Florida, they didn't even require you to pre-pay at the pump or inside. Crazy.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-15-2010, 06:49 PM
My dad is a horrible tipper. I've seen him tip like 5 bucks on a 65 dollar meal when my whole family goes out to dinner. That's really rare though, we only eat out on special occasions, so at least he mostly fits that requirement of terrible tippers.

I consider myself to be a pretty good tipper though. Here in Canada, we have coins up to $2, and really who wants a pocket full of change, especially since I don't want to eat crappy vending machine food and having change in your pocket is far too tempting. So if I'm eating at a place and it comes to ~$15, I'll just pay with a 20 and let them keep the difference. Buy a beer, if I use a $20 and its five bucks, they'll give me back a 10 and 5 dollars in change, so I'll leave a dollar. Then on the last drink I can afford I'll just leave them most of my change.

I learned how to tip when I was in Cuba. It was my first time in a bar setting(I was 17), and at night there were like 100 people crowding at the bar. And most of them were ordering like 10+ drinks at a time so they wouldn't have to go back for a little while. The only way to get a drink without waiting was to hold a Cuban dollar in the air and hope the bartender saw you.

Even then, I just said **** it and paid 4 bucks for a 26 of rum at the tobacco shop so I wouldn't have to wait to drink at night.

Brent
10-15-2010, 06:54 PM
4 bucks for a 26 of rum
that is cool. unfortunately, being American, our government loses their goddamn minds if we try to go to Cuba. **** that nonsense. I want to see Havana, goddamnit.

7-11
10-15-2010, 07:11 PM
5. Beer - If you've ever had good beer then had bad beer then had good beer again it isn't even close. Even the "buzz" you get from most good beer is much more intense IMO.

Quite simply, that doesn't make a scrap of sense.