PDA

View Full Version : PS3 or XBOX360?


06-11-2006, 03:15 PM
which will be better PS3 or XBOX360?

i think PS3 will blow it out of the water :twisted:

Xonraider
06-11-2006, 03:15 PM
ps3

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 03:20 PM
xbox 360

better games
same graphics
no lame motion sensitive controler
xbox live > all
achivements > all
their contoler > all

BuckNaked
06-11-2006, 03:21 PM
360 by far.

Beans
06-11-2006, 03:30 PM
Wii.

then 360...








then ps3.

06-11-2006, 03:35 PM
xbox 360

Smokey Joe
06-11-2006, 03:39 PM
ps3 will.

Better graphics, better games (all xbox has is halo), better everything. And it had extra time to see what the 360 did wrong, to make the ps3 better.

ATLDirtyBirds
06-11-2006, 03:40 PM
xbox 360

renegade17
06-11-2006, 03:40 PM
PS3

Hawk
06-11-2006, 03:41 PM
360

I think they will be relatively the same, I dont care what everyone has said about the PS3. I give 360 the edge because its cheaper 8)

06-11-2006, 03:43 PM
ps3 will.

Better graphics, better games (all xbox has is halo), better everything. And it had extra time to see what the 360 did wrong, to make the ps3 better.Gears of War?

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 03:59 PM
ps3 will.

Better graphics, better games (all xbox has is halo), better everything. And it had extra time to see what the 360 did wrong, to make the ps3 better.Gears of War?oblivion? graw?

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 04:04 PM
Hands down it is the 360

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 04:06 PM
ps3 will.

Better graphics, better games (all xbox has is halo), better everything. And it had extra time to see what the 360 did wrong, to make the ps3 better.

LOL don't know xbox and xbox 360 then..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

06-11-2006, 04:07 PM
I alwasy thought I would for sure get the ps3, but in truth, why should I? Everyone one I know is at least on their 2nd PS2 (somehow by the grace of god mine is still kickin after all these years and after leaving it on for days at a time), why should I show loyalty to a company who sells me a fautly product?

It's going to be almost 200 dollars more expensive too. That's really what is killing me. I"m for sure going to purchase one of the two systems, but I'm not so sold on ps3 anymore.

It's going to be like 600 dollars. Or 500 dollars. 600 dollars is like 1/5 or so of how much my first car is going to cost... What does that say?

I can get 360 for 100 to 200 dollars cheaper. Yeah, I'll miss BADLY GTA if it only comes out on PS3, but 250 is too much money for One game.



In conclusion, at first I was for sure getting PS3, but after hearing how much it will cost I'm quite concerned. I hate the XBOX controller but I can get used to it if I have too. I may have to go with the 360 this time. If Madden 07 on 360 is a DRAMATIC improvement over Madden 06, it'll probably be enough to tip the scales in favor of me ending my 2 console run on Sony gaming systems.

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 04:10 PM
I alwasy thought I would for sure get the ps3, but in truth, why should I? Everyone one I know is at least on their 2nd PS2 (somehow by the grace of god mine is still kickin after all these years and after leaving it on for days at a time), why should I show loyalty to a company who sells me a fautly product?

It's going to be almost 200 dollars more expensive too. That's really what is killing me. I"m for sure going to purchase one of the two systems, but I'm not so sold on ps3 anymore.

It's going to be like 600 dollars. Or 500 dollars. 600 dollars is like 1/5 or so of how much my first car is going to cost... What does that say?

I can get 360 for 100 to 200 dollars cheaper. Yeah, I'll miss BADLY GTA if it only comes out on PS3, but 250 is too much money for One game.



In conclusion, at first I was for sure getting PS3, but after hearing how much it will cost I'm quite concerned. I hate the XBOX controller but I can get used to it if I have too. I may have to go with the 360 this time. If Madden 07 on 360 is a DRAMATIC improvement over Madden 06, it'll probably be enough to tip the scales in favor of me ending my 2 console run on Sony gaming systems.


good news for you is that GTA will be coming out for both systems, but a rumor is that MS is going to try to get(payoff) rockstar to make the GTA series for the xbox 360 only 8)

06-11-2006, 04:12 PM
I alwasy thought I would for sure get the ps3, but in truth, why should I? Everyone one I know is at least on their 2nd PS2 (somehow by the grace of god mine is still kickin after all these years and after leaving it on for days at a time), why should I show loyalty to a company who sells me a fautly product?

It's going to be almost 200 dollars more expensive too. That's really what is killing me. I"m for sure going to purchase one of the two systems, but I'm not so sold on ps3 anymore.

It's going to be like 600 dollars. Or 500 dollars. 600 dollars is like 1/5 or so of how much my first car is going to cost... What does that say?

I can get 360 for 100 to 200 dollars cheaper. Yeah, I'll miss BADLY GTA if it only comes out on PS3, but 250 is too much money for One game.



In conclusion, at first I was for sure getting PS3, but after hearing how much it will cost I'm quite concerned. I hate the XBOX controller but I can get used to it if I have too. I may have to go with the 360 this time. If Madden 07 on 360 is a DRAMATIC improvement over Madden 06, it'll probably be enough to tip the scales in favor of me ending my 2 console run on Sony gaming systems.

those were the early models and it was back then, Sony fixed that problem for the PS3

06-11-2006, 04:12 PM
its easily PS3 :roll:

SeanTaylorRIP
06-11-2006, 04:45 PM
XBOX 360
PS3=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

06-11-2006, 04:46 PM
its easily PS3 :roll:no its not

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 04:49 PM
Resistance

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/711/711080/resistance-fall-of-man-20060602045839836.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/711/711080/resistance-fall-of-man-20060602013808722.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/709/709855/resistance-fall-of-man-20060523055813171.jpg


Gears of War

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655560/gears-of-war-20051003095639551.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706377/e3-2006-new-gears-of-war-screens-20060509031016166.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/632/632679/gears-of-war-20050711000833103.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655560/gears-of-war-20051003095644817.jpgXbox360wned

ANBC
06-11-2006, 04:51 PM
P
S
3

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 04:52 PM
P
S
3S
U
C
K
S

06-11-2006, 04:54 PM
when PS3 comes out it will blow Xbox 360 out of the water. Xbox360 cant even play its old xbox games while PS3 can play PS1, PS2 and PSP games

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 04:59 PM
when PS3 comes out it will blow Xbox 360 out of the water. Xbox360 cant even play its old xbox games while PS3 can play PS1, PS2 and PSP gamesthats stupid, why pay $600 for a system where you cant even sell your games anymore?

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 05:02 PM
when PS3 comes out it will blow Xbox 360 out of the water. Xbox360 cant even play its old xbox games while PS3 can play PS1, PS2 and PSP gamesthats stupid, why pay $600 for a system where you cant even sell your games anymore?

Did you really just say that? Backwards compatability is a big issue for some people.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-11-2006, 05:03 PM
XBOX 360 plays some XBOX games, there's a big list.

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 05:04 PM
Let's break it down.

Price wise, it's obviously XBox 360. The PS3 "core" may look close to the same as the Premium 360, but if you've studied the console, you'd know that it isnt. No HDMI, no memory card use, etc. Essentially, you have to buy the expensive PS3. That's $599 to $399. $200 difference.

Graphics. I've had a lot of discussions with people here, and they are very misinformed. The graphics are essentially exactly the same for both sides. The difference is that PS3 has the higher output ability, meaning it can send the signals to a better HDTV. However, these are only the top of the line HDTV's, that basically nobody has. So... if you want your graphics on the PS3 to be a little better (not much), you better plan on forking out over 5 grand for the TV, otherwise they are the same.

Games. I don't know who was complaining about games, but I've made lists of games I really want all over the place. Huxley, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Alan Wake, Lost Planet, Too Human, Prey, Saint's Row, Mass Effect, F.E.A.R., Shadowrun, Fable 2, and finally, Halo 3. All of these games will not come out on the PS3. Hell, the PS3 doesn't even have GTA all to itself anymore, and GTA will have downloadable updates from XBox Live Marketplace... making it better on the 360. Personally, the 360 has the advantage in games.

Controller. I hate the Dualshock. Some people like it. Meh. It's personal preference, but this easily goes to XBox for me.

Online. XBox Live owns anything Sony throws out. Sorry.

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 05:06 PM
when PS3 comes out it will blow Xbox 360 out of the water. Xbox360 cant even play its old xbox games while PS3 can play PS1, PS2 and PSP gamesthats stupid, why pay $600 for a system where you cant even sell your games anymore?

Did you really just say that? Backwards compatability is a big issue for some people.

A lot of Xbox games work. Some don't. I'm pleased with the BC selection... but I don't use it... so it's meh.

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 05:14 PM
Like we have said 100 times before, its all about personal preference ( and how much money you want to spend :) )

Personally, I think the PS3 has much better games in then X Box 360. Games like Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry, Tekken, and Final Fantasy series. I don't play RPGs at all, but I can say that Playstation always had the best RPGs in my opinion.

Also for a matter of playing online, I hope it doesn't cost me 50 dollars a year to play my Madden and Fiffa online. I have never had server problems and don't need much more then what the PS2 has already offered. In other words, I don't want to spend 50 dollars for a buddy list and some other features. BUt thats just me.

I am suprised the Wii is not up here as an option. Lower price of all three and looks to be promising.

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 05:17 PM
Like we have said 100 times before, its all about personal preference ( and how much money you want to spend :) )

Personally, I think the PS3 has much better games in then X Box 360. Games like Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry, Tekken, and Final Fantasy series. I don't play RPGs at all, but I can say that Playstation always had the best RPGs in my opinion.

Also for a matter of playing online, I hope it doesn't cost me 50 dollars a year to play my Madden and Fiffa online. I have never had server problems and don't need much more then what the PS2 has already offered. In other words, I don't want to spend 50 dollars for a buddy list and some other features. BUt thats just me.

I am suprised the Wii is not up here as an option. Lower price of all three and looks to be promising.

50 a year is nothing, because you get free demos, download content, no lag servers and bring replay value up ALOT more on all of your games.

draftguru151
06-11-2006, 05:22 PM
Xbox 360 easily.

AlexDown, I think the only game that I want to play on the PS3 would be MGS4, other than that there is nothing.

And Oblivion won't be on PS3, which is the most amazing game I've ever played.

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 05:26 PM
plus, you cant even sell your ps3 games

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 05:33 PM
Xbox 360 easily.

AlexDown, I think the only game that I want to play on the PS3 would be MGS4, other than that there is nothing.

And Oblivion won't be on PS3, which is the most amazing game I've ever played.

Personal preference. Not one game looks appealing to me on X Box 360.

06-11-2006, 05:34 PM
Xbox 360 easily.

AlexDown, I think the only game that I want to play on the PS3 would be MGS4, other than that there is nothing.

And Oblivion won't be on PS3, which is the most amazing game I've ever played.

Personal preference. Not one game looks appealing to me on X Box 360.you have no taste in video games

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 05:36 PM
Like we have said 100 times before, its all about personal preference ( and how much money you want to spend :) )

Personally, I think the PS3 has much better games in then X Box 360. Games like Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry, Tekken, and Final Fantasy series. I don't play RPGs at all, but I can say that Playstation always had the best RPGs in my opinion.

Also for a matter of playing online, I hope it doesn't cost me 50 dollars a year to play my Madden and Fiffa online. I have never had server problems and don't need much more then what the PS2 has already offered. In other words, I don't want to spend 50 dollars for a buddy list and some other features. BUt thats just me.

I am suprised the Wii is not up here as an option. Lower price of all three and looks to be promising.

A lot of companies voiced their dissatisfaction with having to pay for servers for the PS2. Meaning, a lot of companies will no longer have online games for the PS3. So, if the companies decide "I don't feel like paying for these servers anymore," you're screwed.

As for final fantasy, it's on XBox 360... :?

edit* Now with games like Mass effect and Oblivion, 360 is getting its share of good RPG's as well.

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 05:45 PM
i wonder when KOTOR 3 is coming out 8)

06-11-2006, 05:46 PM
Xbox360 was rushed out to beat the PS3 and that actually hurt them. Microsoft is so scared of the PS3 is that they came out and said they gamers would purchase the Wii and 360 instead of buying the PS3.

But i agree with the Wii (except the name) it might be the best gaming console but overall the wii cant compare to the features of the PS3

Playstation won the last 2 console wars by a lot and they will probably win this time. the $200 difference is not thaty big especially if Xbox is charging $65 per game

thule
06-11-2006, 05:49 PM
I'm hear to tell you that the only thing that 360 has on PS3 is price.

All you microsoft homers out there make me sick. I mean if your a halo fan it's obvious you buy a 360. But to put PS3 in the same catagory of 360 is just plain blindness. You do a hardware overlook on everything...you will see that i am right and the homers are wrong.

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 05:49 PM
Xbox360 was rushed out to beat the PS3 and that actually hurt them. Microsoft is so scared of the PS3 is that they came out and said they gamers would purchase the Wii and 360 instead of buying the PS3.

But i agree with the Wii (except the name) it might be the best gaming console but overall the wii cant compare to the features of the PS3

Playstation won the last 2 console wars by a lot and they will probably win this time. the $200 difference is not thaty big especially if Xbox is charging $65 per gamefirst its $60 a game, second i could buy my first car with $600, third, ps3 games with bluray are gonna be hella expensive

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 05:50 PM
Resistance

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/711/711080/resistance-fall-of-man-20060602045839836.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/711/711080/resistance-fall-of-man-20060602013808722.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/709/709855/resistance-fall-of-man-20060523055813171.jpg


Gears of War

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655560/gears-of-war-20051003095639551.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706377/e3-2006-new-gears-of-war-screens-20060509031016166.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/632/632679/gears-of-war-20050711000833103.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655560/gears-of-war-20051003095644817.jpgXbox360wned ps3 graphics < xbox 360 graphics

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 05:51 PM
Xbox360 was rushed out to beat the PS3 and that actually hurt them. Microsoft is so scared of the PS3 is that they came out and said they gamers would purchase the Wii and 360 instead of buying the PS3.

But i agree with the Wii (except the name) it might be the best gaming console but overall the wii cant compare to the features of the PS3

Playstation won the last 2 console wars by a lot and they will probably win this time. the $200 difference is not thaty big especially if Xbox is charging $65 per game

Umm... You do know that BlueRay discs cost $10 more than normal discs... right? So you do know that at best PS3 games cost the same, and could probably cost $10 more... right? :?

You do know that even though the PS3 is much later than the 360, they haven't been giving out proper dev kits, and many companies have dropped some games because it's "too risky," right?

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 05:52 PM
A lot of companies voiced their dissatisfaction with having to pay for servers for the PS2. Meaning, a lot of companies will no longer have online games for the PS3. So, if the companies decide "I don't feel like paying for these servers anymore," you're screwed.

Please, that is ridiculous. You must be thinking of Nintendo. Can you show me a link that would back the claim that companies were unhappy with Sony's online service?

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 05:56 PM
A lot of companies voiced their dissatisfaction with having to pay for servers for the PS2. Meaning, a lot of companies will no longer have online games for the PS3. So, if the companies decide "I don't feel like paying for these servers anymore," you're screwed.

Please, that is ridiculous. You must be thinking of Nintendo. Can you show me a link that would back the claim that companies were unhappy with Sony's online service?

Before I even go to get one, you don't believe that a company would be unhappy having to pay for the server costs for one system when they don't for the other? Why do you think lots of smaller games had no online? They couldn't afford it. I don't see how that's even remotely ridiculous. :?

06-11-2006, 05:57 PM
Xbox360 was rushed out to beat the PS3 and that actually hurt them. Microsoft is so scared of the PS3 is that they came out and said they gamers would purchase the Wii and 360 instead of buying the PS3.

But i agree with the Wii (except the name) it might be the best gaming console but overall the wii cant compare to the features of the PS3

Playstation won the last 2 console wars by a lot and they will probably win this time. the $200 difference is not thaty big especially if Xbox is charging $65 per gamefirst its $60 a game, second i could buy my first car with $600, third, ps3 games with bluray are gonna be hella expensive


after tax its 65, majority of the 360 games that have came out have been dissappointing

Warhawk, MGS4, Tekken 6, Resistance, Resident Evil 5, and last years shocking footage of killzone 2 is a good enough games to destroy the 360 which had weak launch titles

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 06:00 PM
Xbox360 was rushed out to beat the PS3 and that actually hurt them. Microsoft is so scared of the PS3 is that they came out and said they gamers would purchase the Wii and 360 instead of buying the PS3.

But i agree with the Wii (except the name) it might be the best gaming console but overall the wii cant compare to the features of the PS3

Playstation won the last 2 console wars by a lot and they will probably win this time. the $200 difference is not thaty big especially if Xbox is charging $65 per gamefirst its $60 a game, second i could buy my first car with $600, third, ps3 games with bluray are gonna be hella expensive


after tax its 65, majority of the 360 games that have came out have been dissappointing

Warhawk, MGS4, Tekken 6, Resistance, Resident Evil 5, and last years shocking footage of killzone 2 is a good enough games to destroy the 360 which had weak launch titles

Resident Evil 5 is coming out for the 360, and isn't even a launch game. As for the prices, I don't see how you're even still debating things. PS3 games will be the same price or more expensive.

Edit* PS3 also knew it had to have a superb launch, because by then Xbox will have a crapload of good games. Xbox 360 launch was indeed weak, but it didn't have to be strong. It had no competition. All of its strong games are still to come, aside from GRAW, Oblivion, and Call of Duty 2 which are already out.

draftguru151
06-11-2006, 06:02 PM
There has not been one game that has been dissapointing for the 360 for me. How are you saying they were dissapointing when you've never played them?

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 06:03 PM
Still waiting for that link.......

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 06:06 PM
Still waiting for that link.......
I'm looking. Seeing as this is news from years ago, I won't find it in 3 minutes.

Also, just to hold you over, Xbox Live helps keep modders off of online, which reduces cheating. PS3 will have no such thing. Also, developers may choose to charge online fees for each game individually.

Edit* Oh, and MMO's... which you probably won't see for PS3.

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 06:08 PM
I'm hear to tell you that the only thing that 360 has on PS3 is price.

All you microsoft homers out there make me sick. I mean if your a halo fan it's obvious you buy a 360. But to put PS3 in the same catagory of 360 is just plain blindness. You do a hardware overlook on everything...you will see that i am right and the homers are wrong.

i'm not a halo fan :roll:

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 06:12 PM
Xbox360 was rushed out to beat the PS3 and that actually hurt them. Microsoft is so scared of the PS3 is that they came out and said they gamers would purchase the Wii and 360 instead of buying the PS3.

But i agree with the Wii (except the name) it might be the best gaming console but overall the wii cant compare to the features of the PS3

Playstation won the last 2 console wars by a lot and they will probably win this time. the $200 difference is not thaty big especially if Xbox is charging $65 per gamefirst its $60 a game, second i could buy my first car with $600, third, ps3 games with bluray are gonna be hella expensive



after tax its 65, majority of the 360 games that have came out have been dissappointing

Warhawk, MGS4, Tekken 6, Resistance, Resident Evil 5, and last years shocking footage of killzone 2 is a good enough games to destroy the 360 which had weak launch titles

COD 2, PGR3, Bloodmoney, GRAW are just a few of the great 360 games out right now.

MGS 3 i hated it, but loved MGS2, Tekken not a fan, Resistance??, Resident, but i seen somewhere it is also coming out for 360, and killzone looks good. Some good lauch titles, but not great....

draftguru151
06-11-2006, 06:13 PM
You guys haven't said anything about the dashboard and all the other stuff on the 360.

Does anyone use the computer hook up stuff?

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 06:14 PM
Still waiting for that link.......

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/760/760880.html

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 06:15 PM
You guys haven't said anything about the dashboard and all the other stuff on the 360.

Does anyone use the computer hook up stuff?

I use the Music and Pictures features. love them both 8)

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 06:15 PM
I'm hear to tell you that the only thing that 360 has on PS3 is price.

All you microsoft homers out there make me sick. I mean if your a halo fan it's obvious you buy a 360. But to put PS3 in the same catagory of 360 is just plain blindness. You do a hardware overlook on everything...you will see that i am right and the homers are wrong.

Actually, Hardware wise it comes out about equal. The PS3 is stronger in brute force, but you'll see in practice it evens out. The Graphics are exactly the same basically, with the only advantage that PS3 can ouput at 1080p... which very very few tv's even have.

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 06:40 PM
Still waiting for that link.......

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/760/760880.html

What are you talking about.

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 06:45 PM
Still waiting for that link.......

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/760/760880.html

What are you talking about.

LOL were not on the same page :?

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 06:47 PM
Still waiting for that link.......

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/760/760880.html

What are you talking about.

LOL were not on the same page :?

I think your the one whos not on the right page my friend :D

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 06:52 PM
Oh, and no rumble on their controller? What is that?

On another note...

Phil Harrison has criticised Microsoft for planning to put two versions of the new Xbox 360 console on the market, claiming the decision will merely "create confusion" for consumers.
...
"Are there two versions of the Xbox 360 that people want to buy, is my question," he continued. "I don't know."
...
"I think it just confuses the audience. They don't know which one to buy, developers don't know which one to create for, and retailers don't know which one to stock."

"So I think we wouldn't take that strategy. We wouldn't create confusion," he concluded.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11209

Also, you cannot upgrade the basic pack. If you buy the basic, you cannot buy a bigger HD, because it's built in. If something happens to your PS3, you cannot keep your saves, because it has no memory cards, and the HD is built in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzmf0ChL24



http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32171

"You end up with a console with half the triangle setup rate of the 360, a crippled CPU that is a ***** to program, and tools that are atrocious compared to the 360. To make matters worse, you have an arrogant set of execs telling us that twice the price is worth it for half the power, a year late. If it isn't already too late, Sony had better do something about this recto-cranial inversion or it may very well sink the console. "

smittyjs
06-11-2006, 06:52 PM
Still waiting for that link.......

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/760/760880.html

What are you talking about.

LOL were not on the same page :?

I think your the one whos not on the right page my friend :D

Well what are you taking about so i can be on the right page :lol:

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 07:00 PM
auctually, this video proves the ps3 >all http://www.gameklip.com/v/719/

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 07:00 PM
Alex, I've looked all over tha damn site and cannot find the story it was in. I give up, disregard my statement if you want. :P

stephenson86
06-11-2006, 07:04 PM
hes talking about the console and which is superior, which is PS3 fact, the technology is superior therefore better no argument

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 07:08 PM
auctually, this video proves the ps3 >all http://www.gameklip.com/v/719/ RIDGE RACER!!!

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 07:10 PM
auctually, this video proves the ps3 >all http://www.gameklip.com/v/719/ RIDGE RACER!!!

People are trying to have a logical debate over this. One liners and stupid videos are not helping. It's obvious your an X Box fanboy, if you have something to add to discussion, go ahead.

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 07:13 PM
auctually, this video proves the ps3 >all http://www.gameklip.com/v/719/ RIDGE RACER!!!

People are trying to have a logical debate over this. One liners and stupid videos are not helping. It's obvious your an X Box fanboy, if you have something to add to discussion, go ahead.


I just think it's hard to truly discuss things because who knows what PS3's REAL specs are? They've already gone down a lot, and very few websites actually have what is their currently known specs, nevermind real specs.

Canadian_kid16
06-11-2006, 07:15 PM
The PS3 controller is brutal, my 360 works fine, love the wireless controllers and the graphics are amazing

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 07:16 PM
are you sure you arent the PS3 fanboy? and i am smart enough to stay from spending $600 on a ****** system :?

frogstomp
06-11-2006, 07:20 PM
http://wikihost.org/wikis/ukres/programm/gebo.prg?name=sonyps3_lies

iworshipbender
06-11-2006, 07:21 PM
http://www.wii60.com/uploads/361.jpg

AlexDown
06-11-2006, 07:26 PM
are you sure you arent the PS3 fanboy? and i am smart enough to stay from spending $600 on a *********** system :?

I'm not buying a PS3 or an X Box 360.

Vespasian
06-11-2006, 10:44 PM
PS3

Sony actually learned from their shortcomings and improved the product.

Shiver
06-12-2006, 02:09 PM
Power-wise; this is a fact, as verified by multiple developers. They are in the same ball-park. You will not be able to tell the difference in graphics, until late into the console's lifespan, when developers figure out the PS3's hardware. Until that time, the 360 will be better, because it isn't a pain in the ___ to develop for.

06-12-2006, 02:14 PM
Killzone 2

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/media.html

check the video

Tobzilla
06-12-2006, 02:14 PM
xbox 360

better games
same graphics
no lame motion sensitive controler
xbox live > all
achivements > all
their contoler > all

agree, but the ps3 will have better graphics

Shiver
06-12-2006, 02:15 PM
CGI

06-12-2006, 02:16 PM
CGI


thats every Xbox360 fanboy response to the killzone 2 trailer

rainbeaukid2
06-12-2006, 02:18 PM
360

I think they will be relatively the same, I dont care what everyone has said about the PS3. 8)

agreed here, i think that they will both be close to the same with only minor differences. they have the same graphics, they have some of the same games, there really is no big difference.

Shiver
06-12-2006, 02:19 PM
You are a moron if you think that Killzone trailer is real time gameplay.

06-12-2006, 02:21 PM
You are a moron if you think that Killzone trailer is real time gameplay.

it will be proven when the system and the game is released

Shiver
06-12-2006, 02:28 PM
It's already been proven wrong. If you honestly believe that Guerilla Games made a game that is 5x as good looking than every other game out there in 6 months of work on development hardware. Then you are not thinking objectively.

They didn't even show up at E3 2006. Of course it would be even more of a travesty, considering other examples of "real time" videos such as Motorstorm were shown as o fraudulent.

draftguru151
06-12-2006, 02:54 PM
You are a moron if you think that Killzone trailer is real time gameplay.

it will be proven when the system and the game is released

You are a moron, everyone knows that wasn't gameplay.

DHVF
06-12-2006, 02:54 PM
You are a moron if you think that Killzone trailer is real time gameplay.

it will be proven when the system and the game is releasedIt'll be about as real as the initial Madden 06 video was.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-12-2006, 02:55 PM
Madden on the 360 this year was horrible, less features than like Madden 98.

draftguru151
06-12-2006, 02:57 PM
Madden on the 360 this year was horrible, less features than like Madden 98.

It was a stripped down version of the game. They wanted to save all the new things for 07. The gameplay and graphics are amazing in 360.

P-L
06-12-2006, 03:09 PM
I would never buy a 360, but I'm not spending $600 for a system either. I'll wait until PS4 is out and then pick up my PS3. The only reason I want it is for MGS4.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-12-2006, 03:11 PM
I'm happy with my PS2 cause Madden is the only game I play, I got that 24 game but it wasn't that good.

S4L
06-12-2006, 03:36 PM
XBOX 360 Premium System - $400
Nintendo Wii System (probable price) - $200
_____________________________________

360 and Wii - $600
PS3 Premium - $600

Making fanboys cry - Priceless

SeanTaylorRIP
06-12-2006, 03:45 PM
The Wii seems childish.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 03:45 PM
Killzone 2

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/media.html

check the video

Wow, something that has already been proven as not real. Yay! :roll:

As for graphics, how many times do I have to say this, the 360 will have JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER GRAPHICS. The PS3 has a more powerful GPU, but graphics wise, the only advantage that the PS3 has is in broadcasting at 1080p... which very very few TV's receive. In a few years these tv's will become more common, which is why people say in a few years PS3 will have better graphics. However, if you were playing the same game on the same tv for both systems, 360 would be equal to or better than PS3.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 03:51 PM
Just to further prove that the Killzone 2 video was NOT realtime...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/20/news_6126204.html

http://ps3.gamedaily.com/game/features/?gameid=4315&id=887&page=2

Most people will agree that the Killzone 2 trailer was the best looking PlayStation 3 tech demo (aside from possibly Metal Gear Solid 4). This was the teaser shown at E3 that completely floored gamers worldwide. While the teaser has since been confirmed to be CG and not real-time.

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 03:56 PM
This console war stuff rocks! Keep up the good work guys, this is very entertaining.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 04:02 PM
This console war stuff rocks! Keep up the good work guys, this is very entertaining.

:wink:

Honestly, I wanted the PS3 originally, but they've lied and BS'd waaaay to damn much for the past 2 years. I feel cheated as a possible costumer. Perhaps it has made me an XBox/Nintendo fanboy. Perhaps.

njx9
06-12-2006, 04:04 PM
As for graphics, how many times do I have to say this, the 360 will have JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER GRAPHICS. The PS3 has a more powerful GPU, but graphics wise, the only advantage that the PS3 has is in broadcasting at 1080p.

i could not disagree more. i mean, you say it yourself, that the GPU will be more powerful, and granted, HD is HD. but if you think that by March the PS designers won't have figured out how to properly take full advantage of the GPU, you're insane.

and, before anyone says something obnoxious: no, i don't care about graphcis only. in fact, i think the relative ease of upgrade on GPU's in PCs has led to the downfall of gaming in general, as it's become VERY inexpensive to have MUCH better graphics, so no one pays attention to storylines anymore.

but, i do find it odd that anyone (not specifically frogstomp who said nothing of the kind) would believe that the 360 would have a technological advantage despite being released nearly a year sooner. that's just insane.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 04:11 PM
As for graphics, how many times do I have to say this, the 360 will have JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER GRAPHICS. The PS3 has a more powerful GPU, but graphics wise, the only advantage that the PS3 has is in broadcasting at 1080p.

i could not disagree more. i mean, you say it yourself, that the GPU will be more powerful, and granted, HD is HD. but if you think that by March the PS designers won't have figured out how to properly take full advantage of the GPU, you're insane.

and, before anyone says something obnoxious: no, i don't care about graphcis only. in fact, i think the relative ease of upgrade on GPU's in PCs has led to the downfall of gaming in general, as it's become VERY inexpensive to have MUCH better graphics, so no one pays attention to storylines anymore.

but, i do find it odd that anyone (not specifically frogstomp who said nothing of the kind) would believe that the 360 would have a technological advantage despite being released nearly a year sooner. that's just insane.

A) The XBOX uses a custom ATI processor with 48 graphics pipelines and the PS3 has a custom NVIDA graphics processor with an estimated 24 pipelines. Now, the numbers are misleading because the PS3 piplines are more powerful than the XBOX pipelines. In the end the two different graphics processors will deliver about the same amount of power.

B) If the PS3 had been delayed because they wanted to simply make it better, and not because of problems, I'd believe you. However, it was delayed because it wasn't ready. In fact, they're rushing to get it ready now. Final Dev kits aren't ready, things are being added/taken off, it's a jumble. They simply do not have that much time to do all these extra improvements.

njx9
06-12-2006, 04:18 PM
As for graphics, how many times do I have to say this, the 360 will have JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER GRAPHICS. The PS3 has a more powerful GPU, but graphics wise, the only advantage that the PS3 has is in broadcasting at 1080p.

i could not disagree more. i mean, you say it yourself, that the GPU will be more powerful, and granted, HD is HD. but if you think that by March the PS designers won't have figured out how to properly take full advantage of the GPU, you're insane.

and, before anyone says something obnoxious: no, i don't care about graphcis only. in fact, i think the relative ease of upgrade on GPU's in PCs has led to the downfall of gaming in general, as it's become VERY inexpensive to have MUCH better graphics, so no one pays attention to storylines anymore.

but, i do find it odd that anyone (not specifically frogstomp who said nothing of the kind) would believe that the 360 would have a technological advantage despite being released nearly a year sooner. that's just insane.

A) The XBOX uses a custom ATI processor with 48 graphics pipelines and the PS3 has a custom NVIDA graphics processor with an estimated 24 pipelines. Now, the numbers are misleading because the PS3 piplines are more powerful than the XBOX pipelines. In the end the two different graphics processors will deliver about the same amount of power.

B) If the PS3 had been delayed because they wanted to simply make it better, and not because of problems, I'd believe you. However, it was delayed because it wasn't ready. In fact, they're rushing to get it ready now. Final Dev kits aren't ready, things are being added/taken off, it's a jumble. They simply do not have that much time to do all these extra improvements.

*shrug* i think you're overestimating raw hardware vs. firmware updates as well. i mean, new BIOSes get released nearly monthly (depending on what market the mobo is aimed at) because sometimes, tiny instruction changes can give MASSIVE performance benefits. i'd believe this to be the case given the processors on each unit, and moreso, because neither has really ever been used for mainstream gaming before. at initial release, both probably would've been roughly equivalent, however, i think the added time the hardware development team (who at this point should have next to nothing to do) will allow them to properly code the hardware to take more advantage of the horsepower.

again, this isn't something that would on, say, a computer, make much difference, because they're very easy to upgrade. on a console system however, it becomes much more complicated, especially given that the average user has a) no network connection b) no idea what "firmware" is c) no desire to upgrade it d) any combination of a, b and c.

lastly, iirc, this is ATI's first foray into a console market. meanwhile, nVidia was responsible for the original Xbox. this gives nVidia a significant edge in designing the hardware, given that it has a prior track record. if they'd been doing this for the last twenty years i could give credibility to a "comfort" argument against them, but since this is only their second build, i think they're still trying to "prove" themselves, in a way.

*shrug*

then again, maybe the ps3 gets released in 2009 and all of this is moot.

Shiver
06-12-2006, 04:28 PM
John Carmack summed it up best. The PS3 has more theoretical power, but it's so asymetrically designed, it will be a long time before developers takes advantage of the power. He also said that they are both "in the same ballpark" performance-wise.

Basically you will not be able to tell a difference between PS3/X360, until late in the lifespan of the console wars.

njx, two things:

1. ATi made the GPU for the Gamecube.
2. The only reason the PS3 is coming a year after Xbox 360 is not because of more powerful hardware. It is because Sony pushing Blu-Ray, they had to delay it in order to implement it into the system.

njx9
06-12-2006, 04:38 PM
njx, two things:

1. ATi made the GPU for the Gamecube.

forgive me for not being impressed by something that could play cartoons effectively. outside of computers (where ATi has actually held an advantage for roughly half of the last few years), they don't have the same experience, imo, in the arena of pure console graphics. PC graphics are and always will be a completely separate beast, and my snarky comments about gamecube notwithstanding, i don't think the gamecube pushed technology anywhere near as far as the original xbox or ps2.

2. The only reason the PS3 is coming a year after Xbox 360 is not because of more powerful hardware. It is because Sony pushing Blu-Ray, they had to delay it in order to implement it into the system.

again, technology is not simply defined as "hardware". further, blu-ray IS far more advanced than the CD drive the 360 shipped with. the only question now is whether Sony is able to make it the de facto standard (in which case it's an absolutely extraordinary boost to the ps3) or not (in which case the 360 either gains an advantage or not, depending on how you view purchasing add-on hardware for al already extremely expensive device as morally questionable or not).

njx9
06-12-2006, 04:42 PM
and in terms of taking advantage of the hardware in place: as is typical of any system, you will not see the true benefits until at least a year into the lifespan of that system. it's partially why i think anyone who buys the hardware at full retail on release day is absolutely insane. but, i do think that because of the delays related to blu-ray, sony's developers will be better equipped to take advantage, as the changes they have to deal with for release will likely be smaller. most have also already been coding for the xbox processing structure, which, while completely unlike the powerpc cel cores, is still a parallel processing architecture (as always, iirc). because this is also a new development for PC gaming (even now, few games take any advantage of dual-core chips), i think sony developers will be able to get up to speed MUCH faster than they otherwise would have, simply having had the extra year to figure it out.

Shiver
06-12-2006, 05:41 PM
forgive me for not being impressed by something that could play cartoons effectively.

Gamecube was vastly superior to the PS2 in graphics. Now you are just showing your ignorance, in this regard.

again, technology is not simply defined as "hardware". further, blu-ray IS far more advanced than the CD drive the 360 shipped with. the only question now is whether Sony is able to make it the de facto standard (in which case it's an absolutely extraordinary boost to the ps3) or not (in which case the 360 either gains an advantage or not, depending on how you view purchasing add-on hardware for al already extremely expensive device as morally questionable or not).

It has not been proven to be an advantage in software, and it may never. GTA IV used to be the poster child (from Sony fans) as to why Blu-Ray was superior, saying "it will never be on 360 because of DVD." They were wrong. Also it has been reported that Microsoft will sell the HD-DVD add-on, so that buying it and a 360 will be equal or lesser than a PS3.

Shiver
06-12-2006, 05:49 PM
and in terms of taking advantage of the hardware in place: as is typical of any system, you will not see the true benefits until at least a year into the lifespan of that system. it's partially why i think anyone who buys the hardware at full retail on release day is absolutely insane. but, i do think that because of the delays related to blu-ray, sony's developers will be better equipped to take advantage, as the changes they have to deal with for release will likely be smaller. most have also already been coding for the xbox processing structure, which, while completely unlike the powerpc cel cores, is still a parallel processing architecture (as always, iirc). because this is also a new development for PC gaming (even now, few games take any advantage of dual-core chips), i think sony developers will be able to get up to speed MUCH faster than they otherwise would have, simply having had the extra year to figure it out.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=14477

A former employee of Sony Online Entertainment has spoken out about how an online article criticising the PlayStation 3 ended up getting him fired from the company.

In an interview with PS3week, former SOE 3D artist Josh Robinson said: "All I really did was write a few paragraphs that gave my opinion on publicly released information... I didn’t reveal any tech info and I didn’t reveal different shipping plans. I’m still in awe at the whole uproar over what amounts to NO information."

In January, Robinson posted an article on his blog which read: "Our game just keeps getting moved back... And back... And back. Again, where is the box? Where is the final system? When is it coming out? No one knows and in the mean time people in the industry are starting to get just a little salty."

"You could always tell where the PS3 dev box was because it’s the room that had the F-bomb coming out of it half the day," he added.

But the comments most likely to have riled Sony executives were to do with the PS3's technical capabilities versus those of the Xbox 360: "I’ve also talked with people on the technical side of the Xbox 360. The consistent comment I am hearing from people on my end is, 'The Xbox 360 is better'," Robinson wrote.

"They are saying that it is capable of just doing more."

vatech=accdomination
06-12-2006, 05:50 PM
You are a moron if you think that Killzone trailer is real time gameplay.

well, of course not, but i doubt the Halo 3 tralier is real either, but on that note, im gettin the 360 now because they have the best game series now.....GTA, but i will miss the ace combat games.

Shiver
06-12-2006, 05:53 PM
Although it was a cut-scene, it was entirely in-engine. While Killzone had a cutscene that wasn't in engine.

Shiver
06-12-2006, 05:56 PM
The newest rumour floating around:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/more-ps3-downgrades-on-the-way-179863.php


The PS3 is downgrading it's CPU from 3.2 GHz to 2.8 GHz. Another in the long list of down-grades revealed as the release looms.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-12-2006, 06:27 PM
PS3 is loosing interest.

iworshipbender
06-12-2006, 06:29 PM
Shadowrun for the Xbox 360 can be played cross platform with the PC and the game looks completely kickass to boot.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 07:06 PM
Shadowrun for the Xbox 360 can be played cross platform with the PC and the game looks completely kickass to boot.

That's why it was on my list of kickass games. :wink:

iworshipbender
06-12-2006, 07:27 PM
the developers are playing the game day after day for 2 years and still arent tired of the game thats what amazes me

draftguru151
06-12-2006, 07:29 PM
the developers are playing the game day after day for 2 years and still arent tired of the game thats what amazes me

Have you beaten Oblivion? I've played for 70 hours and I am only to the part where I have to help Bruma and get the old kings armor.

iworshipbender
06-12-2006, 07:31 PM
no, i am 40 (i was 50 but my save was erased somehow :x) and havent even started, im too busy with the guild quests and the dark brotherhood right noe :lol:

SeanTaylorRIP
06-12-2006, 07:32 PM
When is PS3 coming out?

draftguru151
06-12-2006, 07:38 PM
no, i am 40 (i was 50 but my save was erased somehow :x) and havent even started, im too busy with the guild quests and the dark brotherhood right noe :lol:

Yea I've been doing a lot of guild stuff too. Are you in the mages guild? That made every thing so much easier.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 07:39 PM
I've "beat" oblivion, boyos. Level 34. :wink: I've beta the main game and all guilds. I've also purchased every house. :P "Only" 84 hours. :oops:

iworshipbender
06-12-2006, 07:44 PM
no, i am 40 (i was 50 but my save was erased somehow :x) and havent even started, im too busy with the guild quests and the dark brotherhood right noe :lol:

Yea I've been doing a lot of guild stuff too. Are you in the mages guild? That made every thing so much easier.i am archmage, i was listener in the Dark brotherhood, and wasabout to be head of the theives guild and it all got erased (i probably had it saved on autosave sand forgot to save it elsewhere)

iworshipbender
06-12-2006, 07:45 PM
I've "beat" oblivion, boyos. Level 34. :wink: I've beta the main game and all guilds. I've also purchased every house. :P "Only" 84 hours. :oops:im lvl 23 and im completely decked out in daedric shiz both my heavy armor and my blade are getting close to 100 8)

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 07:49 PM
I've "beat" oblivion, boyos. Level 34. :wink: I've beta the main game and all guilds. I've also purchased every house. :P "Only" 84 hours. :oops:im lvl 23 and im completely decked out in daedric shiz both my heavy armor and my blade are getting close to 100 8)

My light armour is 100. My blade is 100. Essentially, everything but Alchemy, Mercantile, and Resoration is at level 100. And hand to hand... but that's just useless. I only wear my Imperial Dragon Armour... which you get for beating the game. :wink:

On another note....
PS3 or a Honda Civic?
http://www.oxm.co.uk/articles/news/hardware/is_the_ps3_pricing_itself_out_of_the_market

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 07:56 PM
The previous post also shows that PS3 games are indeed going to be about $10 more than XBox 360 games.

smittyjs
06-12-2006, 07:58 PM
I've "beat" oblivion, boyos. Level 34. :wink: I've beta the main game and all guilds. I've also purchased every house. :P "Only" 84 hours. :oops:im lvl 23 and im completely decked out in daedric shiz both my heavy armor and my blade are getting close to 100 8)

My light armour is 100. My blade is 100. Essentially, everything but Alchemy, Mercantile, and Resoration is at level 100. And hand to hand... but that's just useless. I only wear my Imperial Dragon Armour... which you get for beating the game. :wink:

On another note....
PS3 or a Honda Civic?
http://www.oxm.co.uk/articles/news/hardware/is_the_ps3_pricing_itself_out_of_the_market

Nice find

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 08:18 PM
Just so people know...



http://wii.ign.com/articles/712/712283p1.html

Wii to release before PS3.

draftguru151
06-12-2006, 08:24 PM
I've "beat" oblivion, boyos. Level 34. :wink: I've beta the main game and all guilds. I've also purchased every house. :P "Only" 84 hours. :oops:im lvl 23 and im completely decked out in daedric shiz both my heavy armor and my blade are getting close to 100 8)

I mess around too much, and this is my first real RPG so it took some time getting used to. I'm at 20, maybe 21. I'm gonna go play now.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 08:25 PM
I've "beat" oblivion, boyos. Level 34. :wink: I've beta the main game and all guilds. I've also purchased every house. :P "Only" 84 hours. :oops:im lvl 23 and im completely decked out in daedric shiz both my heavy armor and my blade are getting close to 100 8)

I mess around too much, and this is my first real RPG so it took some time getting used to. I'm at 20, maybe 21. I'm gonna go play now.

Video games? What a nerd. Go play your video games, NERD!

draftguru151
06-12-2006, 08:26 PM
I've "beat" oblivion, boyos. Level 34. :wink: I've beta the main game and all guilds. I've also purchased every house. :P "Only" 84 hours. :oops:im lvl 23 and im completely decked out in daedric shiz both my heavy armor and my blade are getting close to 100 8)

I mess around too much, and this is my first real RPG so it took some time getting used to. I'm at 20, maybe 21. I'm gonna go play now.

Video games? What a nerd. Go play your video games, NERD!

:lol:

draftguru151
06-12-2006, 08:46 PM
I think Scott should implement the system that xbox live has where you can leave people negative feedback and have a friends list. That would be pimp.

Frogstomp- positive, great all around experience

06-12-2006, 08:48 PM
I think Scott should implement the system that xbox live has where you can leave people negative *********** and have a friends list. That would be pimp.

Frogstomp- positive, great all around experiencethat would be cool(not g.ay)

06-12-2006, 08:59 PM
ITs really funny how people say the 360 is better and nobody has even played the PS3 yet...wait until November

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:02 PM
ITs really funny how people say the 360 is better and nobody has even played the PS3 yet...wait until November

It's funny how you say the PS3 is better, and probably haven't played either.

Wow...

We're looking at what we know about the PS3, and what we know about XBox 360. Like the controller. The games. The price.

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 09:03 PM
muahaha I love this thread!

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:05 PM
muahaha I love this thread!

I love SSARF. He's Super Still A Raider Fan. He's like SARF but better in every way... and more super. :wink:

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 09:09 PM
muahaha I love this thread!

I love SSARF. He's Super Still A Raider Fan. He's like SARF but better in every way... and more super. :wink:
haha

Btw, thanks for blowing my super secret identity!

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:12 PM
muahaha I love this thread!

I love SSARF. He's Super Still A Raider Fan. He's like SARF but better in every way... and more super. :wink:
haha

Btw, thanks for blowing my super secret identity!

I'll do what i want.

SFS, AWAAAAAY!

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 09:13 PM
SFS = silly frogstomp? :?

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:15 PM
SFS = silly frogstomp? :?

Super Frogstomp, you un-hilarious bastard!

Unless you want to become SALRF! Still A Lame Raider Fan! :twisted:

That's right! I went there, lame-o!

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 09:19 PM
Well atleast I didn't get my name from a lame band's cd! bhahaha

http://www.rockreviews.net/albums/frogstomp.jpg

Who's the lame-o now?! :P

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:22 PM
Well atleast I didn't get my name from a lame band's cd! bhahaha

http://www.rockreviews.net/albums/frogstomp.jpg

Who's the lame-o now?! :P

I haven't listened to that CD in so long... I can't even remember what was on it... in hindsight, no idea why I used that CD... but frogstomp do what frogstomp do. :wink:

Anyways, go make supper SALRF. I'm a hungry frog.

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 09:27 PM
I'm making spaghetti and your're getting none hmph.

iworshipbender
06-12-2006, 09:29 PM
i like to stomp on frogs

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:32 PM
I'm making spaghetti and your're getting none hmph.

Oh, don't get in one of THOSE moods again. I work all day, and this is what I come home too. Nag nag nag. Cooking isn't a real job!! :x

IWORSHIPBENDER knows how it goes.

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 09:36 PM
I'm making spaghetti and your're getting none hmph.

Oh, don't get in one of THOSE moods again. I work all day, and this is what I come home too. Nag nag nag. Cooking isn't a real job!! :x

IWORSHIPBENDER knows how it goes.
Yeah, it's that time of the month. I shouldn't have to remind you! :cry: You're so inconsiderate.

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:37 PM
I'm making spaghetti and your're getting none hmph.

Oh, don't get in one of THOSE moods again. I work all day, and this is what I come home too. Nag nag nag. Cooking isn't a real job!! :x

IWORSHIPBENDER knows how it goes.
Yeah, it's that time of the month. I shouldn't have to remind you! :cry: You're so inconsiderate.

Well, I've been secretly giving you the pill every night... so that blood is from something else, you dirty... :?

slightlyaraiderfan
06-12-2006, 09:49 PM
ew :?

iworshipbender
06-12-2006, 09:50 PM
wait a minute, am i your illegitimate child froggy?

frogstomp
06-12-2006, 09:52 PM
ew :?

That's right Ew. Get away from my spahgetti!

njx9
06-13-2006, 08:22 AM
forgive me for not being impressed by something that could play cartoons effectively.

Gamecube was vastly superior to the PS2 in graphics. Now you are just showing your ignorance, in this regard.

again, technology is not simply defined as "hardware". further, blu-ray IS far more advanced than the CD drive the 360 shipped with. the only question now is whether Sony is able to make it the de facto standard (in which case it's an absolutely extraordinary boost to the ps3) or not (in which case the 360 either gains an advantage or not, depending on how you view purchasing add-on hardware for al already extremely expensive device as morally questionable or not).

It has not been proven to be an advantage in software, and it may never. GTA IV used to be the poster child (from Sony fans) as to why Blu-Ray was superior, saying "it will never be on 360 because of DVD." They were wrong. Also it has been reported that Microsoft will sell the HD-DVD add-on, so that buying it and a 360 will be equal or lesser than a PS3.

it won't be any advantage? what? higher capacity storage WON'T help software? are you nuts or just delusional?

and oddly, i noted the hd-dvd vs. blu-ray difference. the 360 did NOT ship with hd-dvd, so i was right. there is NO standard currently, so there is NO definitive "better" technology currently (odd, i was right again). and you're still having to buy add-on components to a system that shouldn't need them.

further, when the hell did i mention ps2 graphics? the ps2 was released a full year before either the xbox or the gamecube (which were both more powerful). that doesn't mean the gamecube had stunning graphics or was a technological marvel. it means ati pulled a piece from its PC line and made it fit into the gamecube box. again, if you understand the environment differences, this means you're not taking full advantage of the hardware.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=14477


forgive me for not finding something written in january (the time he originally made the post) relevant in any way, whatsoever.

additionally, the unsubstantiated comment that "all i'm hearing on my end is that their's is better" is not a convincing argument.

The newest rumour floating around:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/more-ps3-downgrades-on-the-way-179863.php


The PS3 is downgrading it's CPU from 3.2 GHz to 2.8 GHz. Another in the long list of down-grades revealed as the release looms.

clock speed is the least relevant aspect of a cpu's performance you could've listed, speaking of ignorance. if you're curious why, ask AMD why their chips perform substantially better than most intel chips while running nearly a full n-GHz behind.

and again, i think anyone who buys one of these in the first month or two of release is an idiot. they're pissing away half of the purchase price on technology that won't strongly work for AT LEAST six months.

further, someone let me know when either company releases more than a handful of games that are actually interesting. i'm more than happy with my 16 bits of turbografix joy and, short of "i have several thousand dollars burning a hole in not only my wallet but my leg, car door, family pet and my neighbor's small children", i have yet to see any vaguely convincing argument to get either.

though it would be interesting to me if anyone could point to any other top of the line technology that was released a full year after a competitor and didn't out-perform it in nearly every single way.

AlexDown
06-13-2006, 11:44 AM
Flawless victory

draftguru151
06-13-2006, 11:49 AM
Flawless victory

?

smittyjs
06-13-2006, 11:50 AM
Flawless victory

:?:

AlexDown
06-13-2006, 11:59 AM
Sorry, didn't know you guys didn't have the capacity to read what njx9 just pointed out.

On a side note. When was 360 released and when are the other two next gen systems comming out?

Stufazz
06-13-2006, 12:02 PM
PS3 is gonna rule over 360!

gonna buy it no matter how much it costs

smittyjs
06-13-2006, 12:02 PM
Sorry, didn't know you guys didn't have the capacity to read what njx9 just pointed out.

On a side note. When was 360 released and when are the other two next gen systems comming out?

What he wrote didn't win this battle.

draftguru151
06-13-2006, 12:27 PM
Sorry, didn't know you guys didn't have the capacity to read what njx9 just pointed out.

On a side note. When was 360 released and when are the other two next gen systems comming out?

360 was released November 2005, not sure about the other two.

Vikes99ej
06-13-2006, 12:29 PM
Is Call of Duty 2 for 360 a good game? I might buy it from someone.

smittyjs
06-13-2006, 12:30 PM
Is Call of Duty 2 for 360 a good game? I might buy it from someone.

I love it 8)

frogstomp
06-13-2006, 01:10 PM
it won't be any advantage? what? higher capacity storage WON'T help software? are you nuts or just delusional?

and oddly, i noted the hd-dvd vs. blu-ray difference. the 360 did NOT ship with hd-dvd, so i was right. there is NO standard currently, so there is NO definitive "better" technology currently (odd, i was right again). and you're still having to buy add-on components to a system that shouldn't need them.

further, when the hell did i mention ps2 graphics? the ps2 was released a full year before either the xbox or the gamecube (which were both more powerful). that doesn't mean the gamecube had stunning graphics or was a technological marvel. it means ati pulled a piece from its PC line and made it fit into the gamecube box. again, if you understand the environment differences, this means you're not taking full advantage of the hardware.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=14477


forgive me for not finding something written in january (the time he originally made the post) relevant in any way, whatsoever.

additionally, the unsubstantiated comment that "all i'm hearing on my end is that their's is better" is not a convincing argument.

The newest rumour floating around:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/more-ps3-downgrades-on-the-way-179863.php


The PS3 is downgrading it's CPU from 3.2 GHz to 2.8 GHz. Another in the long list of down-grades revealed as the release looms.

clock speed is the least relevant aspect of a cpu's performance you could've listed, speaking of ignorance. if you're curious why, ask AMD why their chips perform substantially better than most intel chips while running nearly a full n-GHz behind.

and again, i think anyone who buys one of these in the first month or two of release is an idiot. they're pissing away half of the purchase price on technology that won't strongly work for AT LEAST six months.

further, someone let me know when either company releases more than a handful of games that are actually interesting. i'm more than happy with my 16 bits of turbografix joy and, short of "i have several thousand dollars burning a hole in not only my wallet but my leg, car door, family pet and my neighbor's small children", i have yet to see any vaguely convincing argument to get either.

though it would be interesting to me if anyone could point to any other top of the line technology that was released a full year after a competitor and didn't out-perform it in nearly every single way.

You simply don't understand the delay, though. If they spent the past year improving the system, I'd 100% agree with you. However, the past year has been spent trying to get the system to work. They have not been able to add new things, because the original stuff they had did not work. Essentially, you can't try to improve something when it isn't working to begin with. Sony is scrambling to release their PS3 on time for this release date, which had already been pushed back around 6 months. They aren't adding new things, they are trying to get what they have to work.

njx9
06-13-2006, 01:14 PM
You simply don't understand the delay, though. If they spent the past year improving the system, I'd 100% agree with you. However, the past year has been spent trying to get the system to work. They have not been unable to add new things, because the original stuff they had did not work. Sony is scrambling to release their PS3 on time for this release date, which had already been pushed back around 6 months. They aren't adding new things, they are trying to get what theyto work.

no, i get that part, but let's break that down a bit:

"trying to get what they have to work"- if the firmware sucks, they'll update it. if absolutely nothing else, this results in less breakdowns and/or crashes.

"original stuff didn't work" - i'd imagine this would call for tweaks to the hardware. not out and out replacement (which wouldn't make sense, given what they're using), but tweaks. especially now that they've seen where the 360 may have flaws.

trust me, i'm not trying to imply that sony's completely retrofitting the system, but i think it's odd to believe that they have done nothing but try to connect wires for the last year. i would virtually guarantee the product is more stable and likely faster/more powerful than it was exactly a year ago (again, assuming every piece worked then and every piece worked now) due to software changes alone.

Shiver
06-13-2006, 01:15 PM
Every developer has said the 360 and PS3 are give or take around the same, when it comes to the power of the respective consoles. I'll trust their opinions. Especially when Sony has shown nothing that looks any better than any 360 game. And a Sony employee was fired, because he spoke the truth, the PS3 isn't any better than the 360 is graphical technology.

Their only "advantage" is having Blu-Ray as a standard. Then again, I could make a case for an add-on being superior. Considering that very few actually would use a HD movie playback. So instead of forcingan expensive technology down people's throats, if you want it, you can get it seperately.

Yes, I will stand by my opinion that Blu-Ray isn't a be all, end all advantage for software. The only definitive "advantage" in that regard, is the 'large' games would require two discs instead of one. Which isn't a big deal at all. Take FF VII, you play half the game, put in the 2nd disc. What a hassle. ( :roll: ) Or the PC, which has done just fine with gaming with CD-ROM, not even DVD.

frogstomp
06-13-2006, 01:17 PM
You simply don't understand the delay, though. If they spent the past year improving the system, I'd 100% agree with you. However, the past year has been spent trying to get the system to work. They have not been unable to add new things, because the original stuff they had did not work. Sony is scrambling to release their PS3 on time for this release date, which had already been pushed back around 6 months. They aren't adding new things, they are trying to get what theyto work.

no, i get that part, but let's break that down a bit:

"trying to get what they have to work"- if the firmware is not good, they'll update it. if absolutely nothing else, this results in less breakdowns and/or crashes.

"original stuff didn't work" - i'd imagine this would call for tweaks to the hardware. not out and out replacement (which wouldn't make sense, given what they're using), but tweaks. especially now that they've seen where the 360 may have flaws.

trust me, i'm not trying to imply that sony's completely retrofitting the system, but i think it's odd to believe that they have done nothing but try to connect wires for the last year. i would virtually guarantee the product is more stable and likely faster/more powerful than it was exactly a year ago (again, assuming every piece worked then and every piece worked now) due to software changes alone.

I'm doubting it's more powerful. They've removed a lot of things, and are rumoured to be taking off more. I simply think that if they were in good conditions, developers would not be saying "It's just too risky to develop games for them." The fact that they haven't supplied proper Dev kits to companies is a huge problem. While yes, I still believe it will be more powerful than the 360, it will be closer than we are led to believe. A company that pushes launch back 6 months, and then struggles to meet that launch, is not something I would call "stable."

njx9
06-13-2006, 01:20 PM
Yes, I will stand by my opinion that Blu-Ray isn't a be all, end all advantage for software. The only definitive "advantage" in that regard, is the 'large' games would require two discs instead of one. Which isn't a big deal at all. Take FF VII, you play half the game, put in the 2nd disc. What a hassle. ( :roll: ) Then again, Elder Scrolls IV renders 16 square miles of game landscape, and doesn't require a second DVD.

simply not true.

larger disc capacity will allow developers to create things like better AI, and stronger physics engines for games. imagine quake 3, but with bots that actually behave like people. imagine hl2's physics engine not dumbed down (as it had to be for the original xbox because the file format couldn't hold it all).

it will allow the creation of game engines that actually take advantage of parallel processing, in that the game will be able to run a separate process for the AI, the Physics, the Graphics and then for in game calculations. Larger size = better game engines.

edit for edit:

further, the major difference between a PC and a game console is that you install the full game to your hard drive. how many users do you really think will want to sit around while 5+ GBs transfer to their hard drive? how many users will have any interest in having the ability to only realistically store 7 games at a time?

renegade17
06-13-2006, 01:21 PM
...

Wow, njx has an avatar.

06-13-2006, 01:21 PM
...

Wow, njx has an avatar.

awesome

draftguru151
06-13-2006, 01:22 PM
...

Wow, njx has an avatar.

I noticed that too.

njx9
06-13-2006, 01:24 PM
I'm doubting it's more powerful. They've removed a lot of things, and are rumoured to be taking off more. I simply think that if they were in good conditions, developers would not be saying "It's just too risky to develop games for them." The fact that they haven't supplied proper Dev kits to companies is a huge problem. While yes, I still believe it will be more powerful than the 360, it will be closer than we are led to believe. A company that pushes launch back 6 months, and then struggles to meet that launch, is not something I would call "stable."

*shrug* fair enough.

though i think both systems were pushed out 2 years before they really should've been.

i can agree to speculatively disagree with both of you on this until the ps3 is actually launched.

njx9
06-13-2006, 01:24 PM
...

Wow, njx has an avatar.

but he will never have a sig.

renegade17
06-13-2006, 01:25 PM
...

Wow, njx has an avatar.

but he will never have a sig.

Against your religion?

frogstomp
06-13-2006, 01:25 PM
I'm doubting it's more powerful. They've removed a lot of things, and are rumoured to be taking off more. I simply think that if they were in good conditions, developers would not be saying "It's just too risky to develop games for them." The fact that they haven't supplied proper Dev kits to companies is a huge problem. While yes, I still believe it will be more powerful than the 360, it will be closer than we are led to believe. A company that pushes launch back 6 months, and then struggles to meet that launch, is not something I would call "stable."

*shrug* fair enough.

though i think both systems were pushed out 2 years before they really should've been.

i can agree to speculatively disagree with both of you on this until the ps3 is actually launched.

I will never agree to that! :twisted:

edit* It was nice to have a debate without having my mom brought into it. :P

njx9
06-13-2006, 01:28 PM
Against your religion?

nah, it just gets out of control and the page then takes four.five million years to load.

i mean, nothing against the guys here who make them, they look good, but i know what it's like to be on dial-up waiting for all of them to load.

06-13-2006, 08:54 PM
ITs really funny how people say the 360 is better and nobody has even played the PS3 yet...wait until November

It's funny how you say the PS3 is better, and probably haven't played either.

Wow...

We're looking at what we know about the PS3, and what we know about XBox 360. Like the controller. The games. The price.

Xbox and 360 controller is hord. the dual shock 3 if thats what its called is way better. u guys are already saying the PS3 ius gonna suck where the 360 has already came out and isnt that impressive yet. Sony has made better systems in the past than the competiton

frogstomp
06-13-2006, 09:08 PM
ITs really funny how people say the 360 is better and nobody has even played the PS3 yet...wait until November

It's funny how you say the PS3 is better, and probably haven't played either.

Wow...

We're looking at what we know about the PS3, and what we know about XBox 360. Like the controller. The games. The price.

Xbox and 360 controller is hord. the dual shock 3 if thats what its called is way better. u guys are already saying the PS3 ius gonna *********** where the 360 has already came out and isnt that impressive yet. Sony has made better systems in the past than the competiton

Actually, the XBox was a much better system than the PS2. It just didn't sell as well. And as I've said before, the controller is preference. I hate the Dual Shock (which actually will have no shock... so I don't get why they call it that still.) and love the XBox 360 controller.

iworshipbender
06-13-2006, 09:43 PM
xbox 360 controller > all, the dual shock is painful to use sometimes.

DHVF
06-13-2006, 11:31 PM
The xbox360 controller is almost perfect.

RyanLeaf#1
06-14-2006, 10:54 AM
Is Call of Duty 2 for 360 a good game? I might buy it from someone.

The game is great on XBOX Live. Yesterday I bought Moto GP 6 anyone else pick this up?

slightlyaraiderfan
06-14-2006, 10:56 AM
The xbox360 controller is almost perfect.
Yep, pretty much.

draftguru151
06-14-2006, 11:25 AM
The xbox360 controller is almost perfect.

controller+gel pads=heaven.

njx9
06-14-2006, 11:46 AM
The xbox360 controller is almost perfect.

controller+gel pads=heaven.

the best one i've ever seen had freon tubes built into the plastic to keep the unit cool.

smittyjs
06-14-2006, 01:42 PM
Is Call of Duty 2 for 360 a good game? I might buy it from someone.

The game is great on XBOX Live. Yesterday I bought Moto GP 6 anyone else pick this up?

I liked the Demo, so how is it, i might pick up on a few days.

smittyjs
06-14-2006, 01:44 PM
ITs really funny how people say the 360 is better and nobody has even played the PS3 yet...wait until November

It's funny how you say the PS3 is better, and probably haven't played either.

Wow...

We're looking at what we know about the PS3, and what we know about XBox 360. Like the controller. The games. The price.

Xbox and 360 controller is hord. the dual shock 3 if thats what its called is way better. u guys are already saying the PS3 ius gonna *********** where the 360 has already came out and isnt that impressive yet. Sony has made better systems in the past than the competiton

Xbox>>Ps2

This is coming from a former Sony fanboy.
How xbox 360 not impressive??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

06-16-2006, 09:26 PM
ITs really funny how people say the 360 is better and nobody has even played the PS3 yet...wait until November

It's funny how you say the PS3 is better, and probably haven't played either.

Wow...

We're looking at what we know about the PS3, and what we know about XBox 360. Like the controller. The games. The price.

Xbox and 360 controller is hord. the dual shock 3 if thats what its called is way better. u guys are already saying the PS3 ius gonna *********** where the 360 has already came out and isnt that impressive yet. Sony has made better systems in the past than the competiton

Xbox>>Ps2

This is coming from a former Sony fanboy.
How xbox 360 not impressive??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Xbox<<PS2

the 360 hasnt really delivered much next gen of anything yet. its almost like an xbox 1.5...theers a reason why the Ps3 cost $200 more becasue it is more powerful than anything out there. So bascially this arugment will be finalized when the Wii and PS3 have been out for at least 6 months

draftguru151
06-16-2006, 09:34 PM
ITs really funny how people say the 360 is better and nobody has even played the PS3 yet...wait until November

It's funny how you say the PS3 is better, and probably haven't played either.

Wow...

We're looking at what we know about the PS3, and what we know about XBox 360. Like the controller. The games. The price.

Xbox and 360 controller is hord. the dual shock 3 if thats what its called is way better. u guys are already saying the PS3 ius gonna *********** where the 360 has already came out and isnt that impressive yet. Sony has made better systems in the past than the competiton

Xbox>>Ps2

This is coming from a former Sony fanboy.
How xbox 360 not impressive??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Xbox<<PS2

the 360 hasnt really delivered much next gen of anything yet. its almost like an xbox 1.5...theers a reason why the Ps3 cost $200 more becasue it is more powerful than anything out there. So bascially this arugment will be finalized when the Wii and PS3 have been out for at least 6 months

Are you serious? The xbox was 100 times more powerful than the PS2 and the PS3 and 360 are the same. Wow. :roll:

swangaz
06-16-2006, 09:42 PM
It all comes down to the bread, and most of us can't bring out 600 out of the bakery at a time without suffering a horrible setback. Combine that with the fact that some of the PS3s(the cheap ones) willl dissapoint because they will not have the HDMI output and the fact that you are going to have to buy every single game at 60 to 70 dolllars, and that sucks.

Also if you buy the stripped down version of the PS3, you have no hop of upgrading to the Deluxe system, because they did not build in upgradibility. But the 360 on the other hand, can eventually be at it's deluxe even if you brought the stripped down version. Oh and then there is the GTAIIII matter, and all this talk that Microsoft is going to wrap it up exclusively and oh ****, that sucks for Sony.