J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin

[Bengals78]

Is he as good as he looked against the Buckeyes or was that a one hit wonder for him?
Where does he go? (Cincinnati :] )

[PackerLegend]

JJ Watt is a beast. The guy is good, that was not a one hit wonder.

[Babylon]

Not a whole lot on the resume there so you would think he'd think about coming back and be one of the better DEs for next year. The talent speaks for itself.

[BeerBaron]

He was an animal against OSU. I think Wisconsin was lining him up all over and he was getting by whoever OSU put on him.

He'll be a pretty good prospect next year at this time.

[Scott Wright]

Real good player.

Possible 2nd Rounder if he comes out as a junior, which he is reportedly considering.

[Babylon]

Real good player.

Possible 2nd Rounder if he comes out as a junior, which he is reportedly considering.

Possible second rounder as opposed to potential top 15 pick next year, what is the sense in that?

[Sniper]

Two plays that really stood out for me was when he completely abused Mike Brewster and J.B Shugarts with his quickness. Unreal.

[wonderbredd24]

Two plays that really stood out for me was when he completely abused Mike Brewster and J.B Shugarts with his quickness. Unreal.
Brewster, yes. Brewster is good. Shugarts? Not as impressive.

It's a shame he never lined up against Browning as he would have abused him and had a sack on 80% of our line.

[Sniper]

Brewster, yes. Brewster is good. Shugarts? Not as impressive.

It's a shame he never lined up against Browning as he would have abused him and had a sack on 80% of our line.

I know Shugarts isn't that good, but I was referring more to Watt's quickness than Shugarts' suckiness.

[umphrey]

Possible second rounder as opposed to potential top 15 pick next year, what is the sense in that?

How many guys go from possible 2nd rounder to late/UDFA in a year? I hope he stays but if he leaves early and gets picked that high I will just be happy we helped him to his career.

[Babylon]

How many guys go from possible 2nd rounder to late/UDFA in a year? I hope he stays but if he leaves early and gets picked that high I will just be happy we helped him to his career.

That sounds like an NBA line where you say go early before they find out you're not that good. If he's the real deal there is a lot more money i would think by coming out next year.

[princefielder28]

Watt is an animal and he's still learning to play the position, much like Iowa's Ballard

[umphrey]

JJ Watt with a PAT block against Iowa

[Bengals78]

They haven't ran at him in what I saw. Sending a lot of help that way too

[lowlife]

Has been completely ineffective as a passrusher, but has held the point well on a few runs. Seems like purely a 5T to me.

[Bengals78]

Has been completely ineffective as a passrusher, but has held the point well on a few runs. Seems like purely a 5T to me.

I don't know many guys who beat the double teams as much as he is getting them....

[Brent]

Possible second rounder as opposed to potential top 15 pick next year, what is the sense in that?
ask Jevon Snead how that works

[Bengals78]

ask Jevon Snead how that works

Lesson:
Dont listen to Todd MACshey

[Bengals78]

Sack!!!!!!!!!

[GB12]

Watt is ******* beasting (again) today. 2 forced fumbles, forced interception by tipping it at the line, and a sack.


EDIT: In the first half.

[thegreatone]

The man is a monster. If he declares, I can easily see him sneaking in to the first round.

[GB12]

I think he's solidly in the 26-32 range.

[PhinsRock]

Speaking of the Wisconsin game, does anybody know if Lance Kendricks is out for the rest of the game? I know he was banged up on his TD catch.

[cvv84]

Speaking of the Wisconsin game, does anybody know if Lance Kendricks is out for the rest of the game? I know he was banged up on his TD catch.

No word yet. That was as of 3 minutes ago from a UW blogger.

[Duffman57]

He's been great this year, but i'm not completely sold on him. He doesn't have the weight to play one exact position. He doesn't have crazy speed off the edge so i wouldn't consider him to be a DE in the NFL, and at the same time, he's only 275, so i'm not sure that would cut it in the NFL as a DE/DT prospect. I'm just not convinced on where he should play. He's been a moster this year, but i cant really find a position for him in the NFL.

[cvv84]

He's been great this year, but i'm not completely sold on him. He doesn't have the weight to play one exact position. He doesn't have crazy speed off the edge so i wouldn't consider him to be a DE in the NFL, and at the same time, he's only 275, so i'm not sure that would cut it in the NFL as a DE/DT prospect. I'm just not convinced on where he should play. He's been a moster this year, but i cant really find a position for him in the NFL.

I think he'd be better suited to play DE in the 3-4 or as a pass rushing DT in a 4-3. He's also 285 lbs, not 275.

Speaking of the Wisconsin game, does anybody know if Lance Kendricks is out for the rest of the game? I know he was banged up on his TD catch.

Update: Kendricks has x-rays which came back negative.

[GB12]

He's been great this year, but i'm not completely sold on him. He doesn't have the weight to play one exact position. He doesn't have crazy speed off the edge so i wouldn't consider him to be a DE in the NFL, and at the same time, he's only 275, so i'm not sure that would cut it in the NFL as a DE/DT prospect. I'm just not convinced on where he should play. He's been a moster this year, but i cant really find a position for him in the NFL.

A lot of people think his best fit is as a 3-4 DE. I think he could play there quite well, but I'd rather see him stick as a left DE in a 4-3. I think he could be a monster there. Control the run off the right side of the offensive line and rush the quarterback when needed. Like a bigger Aaron Kampman with less of a pass rush.

And yeah, he's bigger than 275. Where are you even coming up with that number? Everywhere has him listed as 292.

[Duffman57]

A lot of people think his best fit is as a 3-4 DE. I think he could play there quite well, but I'd rather see him stick as a left DE in a 4-3. I think he could be a monster there. Control the run off the right side of the offensive line and rush the quarterback when needed. Like a bigger Aaron Kampman with less of a pass rush.

And yeah, he's bigger than 275. Where are you even coming up with that number? Everywhere has him listed as 292.

Haha i dunno, someone told me he was 275 in a different thread. I dont know where those #'s came from. But 292 or 285 isn't horrible. I dont really know though.

[GB12]

Watt is ******* beasting (again) today. 2 forced fumbles, forced interception by tipping it at the line, and a sack.


Add a blocked extra point.

[Babylon]

Damn i missed that game. Watt would seem a perfect 3-4 DE sort of a better version of Aaron Smith of the Steelers. I could see the Patriots or Packers in his future.

[BeerBaron]

He's almost Julius Peppers-esque the havoc he wreaks batting balls, stuffing runners and forcing turnovers...

I don't think there's any doubt he'll be a first round pick anymore.

[Bengals78]

He is a monster. My dad called him Bob Lilly like.

[Babylon]

He is a monster. My dad called him Bob Lilly like.

Your dad is very perceptive, Lilly played on the inside but had the big hands where he just controlled people.

[Bengals78]

Your dad is very perceptive, Lilly played on the inside but had the big hands where he just controlled people.

My dad grew up watching all the old Cowboys games. I think in the right system Watt could even move inside as a 3tech or UT.

[GB12]

I think you'd be wasting him inside. Could he play there? Maybe, but you'd get better use of his skill as an end.

[Babylon]

I think you'd be wasting him inside. Could he play there? Maybe, but you'd get better use of his skill as an end.

If nothing else try throwing over him as a 3-4 DE. I'm really lobbying for him in New England, not that anyone is listening.

[Bengals78]

I think you'd be wasting him inside. Could he play there? Maybe, but you'd get better use of his skill as an end.

IDK. He has slide inside a few times and I think some of his best pressure today came from him stunting in. He is so big strong and quick I dont know of many guards that could match up with his hand speed especially.

[Off The Grid]

If nothing else try throwing over him as a 3-4 DE. I'm really lobbying for him in New England, not that anyone is listening.



I'M listening, Bro.

I've been PRAYING that we land this raw, ferocious BEAST.

What's really beautifull, is that with all the FirePower Coach Bill has ~ 5 picks in the Top 75 or so ~ he can AFFORD to move on such a raw, undeveloped Talent such as Watt BEFORE the other guys dare to.

And with the OCEAN of Defensive End Talent coming On Line, this year, compared to the relative sparsity of Talent at WR, CB, RB, QB, and other spots...The Law of Supply and Demand STRONGLY suggests that DE's ~ and OLB's, by the way ~ are going to get pushed back farther than ANY alleged Draft Expert has made allowances for.

I pray to Jeebus that JJ Watt doesn't read this, as he IS BorderLine on Coming Out.

And why ~ it was asked ~ should JJ hit the wire, THIS year??

Simple: This is the LAST year of Free Wheeling Rookie Salaries.

Possibly the ONLY thing that the Owners and Players agree upon is a Rookie Salary Cap.

When the NBA laid down a Rookie Salary Cap, if my information is correct, the top salary got cut in HALF. :shock:

Watt has a LOT of incentive to come out.

When all is said and done, he could very well prove to be one of the 3 best 5 Techs of this Class...perhaps the very best of ALL.

Not bad for a Walk On who earned his way by delivering pizzas.

This guy is ALL heart. Whoever gets him will be blessed, INDEED.

And, yet, because of he is so incredibly RAW ~ the guy IS a converted Offensive End who just converted a couple years ago!! ~ most GM's won't dare to pull the trigger until much later...ESPECIALLY because they only have the 1 2nd Rounder, and also because they haven't built up the Depth of Talent that Coach Bill has, the last couple of years...And, finally, because they simply haven't yet earned his Credibility.

I could easily see this Top 5 Talent sliding all the way to the 40's...or 50's.

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[GB12]

I keep looking for the link to buy cheap jerseys in that post, but haven't found it yet.

[TACKLE]

He reminds me a lot of Aaron Smith. And like Smith, Watt's best fit should be as a 3-4 DE.

[Off The Grid]

I keep looking for the link to buy cheap jerseys in that post, but haven't found it yet.



Yeah, I get that, a lot.

[Babylon]

He reminds me a lot of Aaron Smith. And like Smith, Watt's best fit should be as a 3-4 DE.

That's what i sort of see in him but i think he's an upgrade from Smith. His hands are great and he can really hold an edge. If he slides to the second he's a flat out steal for a 3-4 team i would think. The Pats with all their draft picks will probably take him and then we'll hear how the genious mind of Bill B. has struck again.

[bored of education]

He is a monster. Off thr Grid is my new favorite poster. His post reminded mf a 1998 textstyle rap lolzz

[TACKLE]

That's what i sort of see in him but i think he's an upgrade from Smith. His hands are great and he can really hold an edge. If he slides to the second he's a flat out steal for a 3-4 team i would think. The Pats with all their draft picks will probably take him and then we'll hear how the genious mind of Bill B. has struck again.

You must have some VERY lofty expectations for Watt if you think he'll upgrade from Aaron Smith. Smith has been one of the best 3-4 DE's in the NFL for the better part of this decade.

[Babylon]

You must have some VERY lofty expectations for Watt if you think he'll upgrade from Aaron Smith. Smith has been one of the best 3-4 DE's in the NFL for the better part of this decade.

I dont know if an Aaron Smith would terrorize a Tyrell Pryor although that may be too small of a sample to make a judgement.

[Off The Grid]

He is a monster. Off thr Grid is my new favorite poster. His post reminded mf a 1998 textstyle rap lolzz



Thanks for the kind words, Brother Bored. ;)

[D-Unit]

I never thought of Watt as a 3-4 DE, but now that you guys bring it up... I'm intrigued! I wonder how high he can go? He definitely is an impressive specimen.

[Razor]

I never thought of Watt as a 3-4 DE, but now that you guys bring it up... I'm intrigued! I wonder how high he can go? He definitely is an impressive specimen.

That's weird, I've never thought of him as anything else than a 5-tech. He is a perfect fit at that position imo.

[Babylon]

I never thought of Watt as a 3-4 DE, but now that you guys bring it up... I'm intrigued! I wonder how high he can go? He definitely is an impressive specimen.

I think if he does declare he could be there at the end of the 1st round and or top of the second. Not a ton of teams run a 3-4 and you'd have to think Marcel Dareus would be the first taken. Put a gun to my head i'd rank them:

Dareus
Watt
Jordan
Heyward
Crick

That's a pretty impressive group of 3-4 DEs

[D-Unit]

That's weird, I've never thought of him as anything else than a 5-tech. He is a perfect fit at that position imo.
You calling me weird??? haha. Maybe I am. Nah, I just haven't really given it much thought. I know he plays 4-3 DE right now and seems to be pretty good at it, so that was my natural thought. I can't say that I know everything about the guy, cause I don't.

[D-Unit]

I think if he does declare he could be there at the end of the 1st round and or top of the second. Not a ton of teams run a 3-4 and you'd have to think Marcel Dareus would be the first taken. Put a gun to my head i'd rank them:

Dareus
Watt
Jordan
Heyward
Crick

That's a pretty impressive group of 3-4 DEs
I'm assuming you don't like Fairley, Bailey, Paea, Clayborn, Ballard as 3-4 DEs? That's a pretty big gap between Dareus and Watt.

[ThePudge]

J.J. Watt has been undoubtedly the most dominant player out of those listed above. If he's able to turn heads during workouts, the sky could be the limit on draft day. 14 TFL against the run, 3 Fumbles Forced, 3 Blocked Kicks, and the guy is second on his team in tackles. He deserves to be a 1st-Team All-American and the Big Ten Player of the Year. I'm not sure teams will like Dareus over him, Watt's been dominant on a consistent basis. Marcell has had a couple standout weeks but his film this year has been largely unimpressive.

Depending on how he tests, I think Watt could be anywhere from a Top 10 pick to a late 1st Rounder.

[BeerBaron]

I think if he does declare he could be there at the end of the 1st round and or top of the second. Not a ton of teams run a 3-4 and you'd have to think Marcel Dareus would be the first taken. Put a gun to my head i'd rank them:

Dareus
Watt
Jordan
Heyward
Crick

That's a pretty impressive group of 3-4 DEs

False. It's almost half the league (15 teams when I counted pre-season) that run some form of it, including "hybrid" styles like Arizona.

I researched it when some Bears fans were thinking of wanting a guy like Cowher to be our next head coach....I don't want to switch to a 3-4 because it's far more difficult to get the players to fill it. A decade or so ago, when only really New England and Pittsburgh were running it well, the tweener DE's and Pass Rushers you needed to make it go were plentiful in the mid-rounds because they didn't fit most 4-3s well. When Tyson Jackson went 3rd overall, that signaled to me that the time to switch to a 3-4 had passed. The demand for the players who fit is simply way too high...and if you look at teams like New England and Baltimore, they barely even seem to run a true 3-4 anymore. They'll go anywhere from 2-5 down lineman and they'll rush linebackers and drop lineman into coverage......

[Babylon]

I'm assuming you don't like Fairley, Bailey, Paea, Clayborn, Ballard as 3-4 DEs? That's a pretty big gap between Dareus and Watt.


Definitely dont see Fairley, Bailey, Clayborn and Paea as 3-4 DEs. Ballard yes but i would go with my list over him.

[ElectricEye]

Fairley and Bailey can play 3-4 DE for sure, but might not be the best fit for them. Ballard is going to be draft as a 3-4 DE and probably will end up being a good one. I like Watt's 3-4 potential better than all of those guys though and prefer him over Dareus.

[Babylon]

Fairley and Bailey can play 3-4 DE for sure, but might not be the best fit for them. Ballard is going to be draft as a 3-4 DE and probably will end up being a good one. I like Watt's 3-4 potential better than all of those guys though and prefer him over Dareus.

I cant picture him in anything but a Pats uni to be honest.

[ElectricEye]

I cant picture him in anything but a Pats uni to be honest.

Hope it happens. Love his game.

[Bengals78]

MMMMmmmmm Watt lovin'

[OSUGiants17]

Im an OSU fan, but I will admit, JJ WATT IS PURE SEX! My new man crush

[Bengals78]

Im an OSU fan, but I will admit, JJ WATT IS PURE SEX! My new man crush

back off.....

[OSUGiants17]

Sorry Bengals, he's just so damn sexy.

[ElectricEye]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/111067474.html


Pretty obvious he would, but Watt is exploring NFL options with the advisory committee.

[Bengals78]

Sorry Bengals, he's just so damn sexy.

Just keep a distance. I dont want things to get violent.

Im kinda hoping he gets caught with a DUI after the bowl game so he slips into the 2nd round a la Carlos Dunlap for a certain team with a passion for giving out 2nd chances :)

(I do not actually hope he does...just rationalizing how he could end up in stripes)

[D-Unit]

Just keep a distance. I dont want things to get violent.

Im kinda hoping he gets caught with a DUI after the bowl game so he slips into the 2nd round a la Carlos Dunlap for a certain team with a passion for giving out 2nd chances :)

(I do not actually hope he does...just rationalizing how he could end up in stripes)
Bengals78 owns JJ Watt. So if anyone wants to try and love him, they have seek B78's approval first.

[Bengals78]

Bengals78 owns JJ Watt. So if anyone wants to try and love him, they have seek B78's approval first.

I knew it was meant to be when he dominated the Bucks line and TP in the OSU game....

On the Bengals MB Pryor is God-like and a sure fire first round QB in 2012. So Watt eating his lunch made him so....mmmmmmm

[TheFinisher]

Manimal

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[Grave Digger]

Jared Allen 2.0 (except not crazy). This kid will be an all-pro in the right system.

[TheMorningZoo]

I haven't seen many highlights of J.J. Watt, but would Adam Carriker be a good prospect comparison? Versatility to play along the line, great size, tough, good motor, etc.?

[DBNYDP]

Chances he slips to the early second?

[Babylon]

Chances he slips to the early second?

Not good because he can play both end positions and i think he'll surprise athletically for his size at the combine. In a year where you had a bunch of great LBs or O-linemen i'd say maybe second, not this year. In fact i think Watt may go a lot earlier than we might think.

[Matthew Jones]

Sorry Bengals, he's just so damn sexy.

I'm not sure why but for some reason whenever I see your avatar I get kind of distracted.

[SolidGold]

I think he goes to the Patriots...he is a perfect 3-4 DE and the Pats have been a revolving door at that position this year. The Pats have the ammo to trade up if need be to get him.

[senormysterioso]

I'm really hoping that he stays in the state of Wisconsin and goes to the Packers, especially if we don't extend Cullen Jenkins and even though we have needs elsewhere. We have pretty good depth at defensive line, but there is no such thing as too much depth on d-line.

If you put Watt in front of Clay and a right tackle has to deal with those two maniacs punching him in the face all game long, he would need some serious therapy by the end of the game...we're talking full on PTSD.

[GB12]

I'm really hoping that he stays in the state of Wisconsin and goes to the Packers, especially if we don't extend Cullen Jenkins and even though we have needs elsewhere. We have pretty good depth at defensive line, but there is no such thing as too much depth on d-line.

If you put Watt in front of Clay and a right tackle has to deal with those two maniacs punching him in the face all game long, he would need some serious therapy by the end of the game...we're talking full on PTSD.

Yes there is. We have Jenkins, Raji, Pickett, Jolly, and Neal already. Only three of them can start and we run a lot of sets with only two down lineman. Plus we have Howard Green, Wilson, and Wynn as more depth. That's 7 lineman worthy of a roster spot, 3 very good starters, and two guys who could maybe be starters depending on if Jolly's still in his '09 form and Neal improves. Drafting Watt would be a terrible move. We don't need to draft a DL at all, certainly not in the first round. If we don't re-sign Jenkins (which would be very stupid), it would make it a little better, but still would be a bad pick. Passing on an OLB, OT, or CB for a lineman we don't need doesn't make any sense.

Besides, Watt should be in a 4-3 anyway.

[ellsy82]

Crick shouldn't be listed in the same sentence with Watt. Although, he has been doubled all year long.

[SenorGato]

I think he's overrated as a 3-4 DE, but I wouldn't exactly complain if he ended up on my team.

Not enough sand in his pants.

[senormysterioso]

He has to work his ass off to stay under 300 lbs. He could easily get to 310 comfortably. I think JJ can play in any system without a problem.

[descendency]

JJ Watt just posted Clay Matthews type numbers at the combine but 50 LBs heavier.

I can't find his 10 yard split but...

3cone - Watt was 0.02 seconds better
shuttle - Watt was 0.03 seconds worse
vertical - Watt was 1.5" better
broad jump - Watt was 1" worse

Copied from a Packers' forum on the internet.

[TACKLE]

JJ Watt's performance yesterday solidified him as my #1 DE.

[Bengals78]

Woooooooooooooooooooooo
Watt Train!!!!!!

[TACKLE]

Woooooooooooooooooooooo
Watt Train!!!!!!

All aboard!


I think you may be needing one of these.

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[descendency]

Crick shouldn't be listed in the same sentence with Watt.

This has to be my favorite sentence of any draft site ever. Because it asserts they shouldn't be in the same sentence, yet puts them in one together :D

[Bengals78]

I'm sticking with Watt to Dallas.

[Bengals78]

http://i54.tinypic.com/e5imwh.jpg

(my own work)

[TNPatsFan]

I like Watt a lot but I've never seen anything out of him on the field that makes me think he should be a top 15 or even top 10 pick as some are now projecting. Give me Watt in the late first or early second.

[Sniper]

I like Watt a lot but I've never seen anything out of him on the field that makes me think he should be a top 15 or even top 10 pick as some are now projecting.

Wait, what? 61 tackles, 20.5 TFL, seven sacks, seven passes broken up, 10 QB hurries, three forced fumbles, an interception and three blocked kicks isn't good enough these days?

Tough crowd.

[JustDezIT]

Cam Jordan still shits on this guy. Especially as a 5 tech.

[Bengals78]

Wait, what? 61 tackles, 20.5 TFL, seven sacks, seven passes broken up, 10 QB hurries, three forced fumbles, an interception and three blocked kicks isn't good enough these days?

Tough crowd.

Dont forget about putting up some pretty insane numbers at almost 300 lbs.

[descendency]

I'm sticking with Watt to Dallas.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo :(

[ElectricEye]

I like Watt a lot but I've never seen anything out of him on the field that makes me think he should be a top 15 or even top 10 pick as some are now projecting. Give me Watt in the late first or early second.

Not sure how you can say that. He was all over the place all the time this year. Probably the most disruptive jumbo sized defensive end in all of college football this year.

I highly doubt he makes it past pick #17, but I highly doubt he's there in the first place :(

[Bengals78]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo :(

I only say this because I put him there in one of my earlier mocks

[jbooshey]

I like Watt a lot but I've never seen anything out of him on the field that makes me think he should be a top 15 or even top 10 pick as some are now projecting. Give me Watt in the late first or early second.

All this means is that you never actually watched a Badger game...or you are legally blind.

[TNPatsFan]

All this means is that you never actually watched a Badger game...or you are legally blind.

Yes I am legally blind as a matter of fact. My dog is typing this right now.

[TNPatsFan]

I never said I didn't like the guy. I'd love him to go to the Pats.

And yes I watched quite a few Wisconsin games this year. JJ had a phenomenal three game stretch against Mich State, Minn, and Ohio St, and he had a great final game against Northwestern. The nine other games he was as usual very good but he didn't dominate or anything and statistically he was ok but nothing outstanding in those games. All I was saying is that for a guy to be a top 10 pick in my humble opinion he really needs to be a dominant player from week to week, and I didn't feel he was that.

[TheFinisher]

Cam Jordan still shits on this guy. Especially as a 5 tech.

Tell us how you really feel.

[Sniper]

I never said I didn't like the guy. I'd love him to go to the Pats.

And yes I watched quite a few Wisconsin games this year. JJ had a phenomenal three game stretch against Mich State, Minn, and Ohio St, and he had a great final game against Northwestern. The nine other games he was as usual very good but he didn't dominate or anything and statistically he was ok but nothing outstanding in those games. All I was saying is that for a guy to be a top 10 pick in my humble opinion he really needs to be a dominant player from week to week, and I didn't feel he was that.

He absolutely dominated Michigan.

[TheFinisher]

After his combine performance, what's the real negative on this guy???

I'm starting to think he's the best DL in this class.

[TheFinisher]

I'm sticking with Watt to Dallas.

I really hope this is the case.

[REDSKINSWARRIOR82]

I like J.J. Watt i think he is a good player. If Quin is not there for the Skins at 10 or 14(if we trade down), i will love them to take Watt.

[LonghornsLegend]

I like Watt a lot but I've never seen anything out of him on the field that makes me think he should be a top 15 or even top 10 pick as some are now projecting. Give me Watt in the late first or early second.

He's got a high motor, high work ethic, relentless player with off the charts athleticism. Honestly I'm not even sure what there is to not like about Watt at this point. Before the combine he was just seen as one of those hard workers who didn't have elite physical tools. He's disproved that notion to be false and there really is nothing that says he should be available in the 2nd round.



The earliest he can come off the board is Dallas at #9, and I think it's a good possibility he lands there. If we pass he could go anywhere from 10-20.

[D-Unit]

My only fear is if he's the next Chris Long. I was totally sold on him as a prospect.

[Chucky]

Chris Long is progressing nicely in STL. and was a monster for large parts of this year.

[Saints-Tigers]

Can't help but feel like JJ Watt doesn't play like those measurements suggest though. Sometimes a guy looks like just the hard worker type, because that's how he plays.

Outstanding player still, but if I told you Kevin love had a 35 inch vertical, you probably would think he utilizes it too.

[REDSKINSWARRIOR82]

Can't help but feel like JJ Watt doesn't play like those measurements suggest though. Sometimes a guy looks like just the hard worker type, because that's how he plays.

Outstanding player still, but if I told you Kevin love had a 35 inch vertical, you probably would think he utilizes it too.

J.J Watt is an awesome Dline man 3-4 5 technic and you will love him lol.

[Saints-Tigers]

I do, I'd take him as the Saints LE fo sho.

[P-L]

I'm starting to think he's the best DL in this class.
I don't see why he wouldn't at least be in the argument. His athleticism for his size is absurd. People were gushing over Cam Newton's workout numbers, but Watt bested him in the vert and 3-cone while being just 0.03 slower in the shuttle despite weighing in 42 lbs heavier. To compare him to another defensive lineman, Watt outperformed the athletic "freak" Robert Quinn in every test except the 40 weighing in 25 lbs heavier.

He's not just a workout warrior either. He definitely has some of the more impressive game film from this past season.

[Sniper]

I don't see why he wouldn't at least be in the argument. His athleticism for his size is absurd. People were gushing over Cam Newton's workout numbers, but Watt bested him in the vert and 3-cone while being just 0.03 slower in the shuttle despite weighing in 42 lbs heavier. To compare him to another defensive lineman, Watt outperformed the athletic "freak" Robert Quinn in every test except the 40 weighing in 25 lbs heavier.

He's not just a workout warrior either. He definitely has some of the more impressive game film from this past season.

But he's, uh, yeah, well, you get where this is going, from the Midwest and played in the Big 10. Everyone knows he can't be athletic.

[Babylon]

My only fear is if he's the next Chris Long. I was totally sold on him as a prospect.

They look like differant type players to me. Watt probably in that discussion for the Cowboys at #9 along with Cam Newton, Tyron Smith and Prince Amukamura.

[TACKLE]

But he's, uh, yeah, well, you get where this is going, from the Midwest and played in the Big 10. Everyone knows he can't be athletic.

You mean he brings his lunch pail, has a non-stop motor and is a high character guy but lacks elite athleticism?

[wicket]

You mean he brings his lunch pail, has a non-stop motor and is a high character guy but lacks elite athleticism?

bullseye!!

[ElectricEye]

You mean he brings his lunch pail, has a non-stop motor and is a high character guy but lacks elite athleticism?

Obviously he doesn't have much long term upside either, otherwise he would be in the SECCCCCZZZZZ.

[LonghornsLegend]

They look like differant type players to me. Watt probably in that discussion for the Cowboys at #9 along with Cam Newton, Tyron Smith and Prince Amukamura.

Lol you've got to let that Cam Newton stuff go man. Jason Garrett would blow a gasket if he was the QB. You don't think he's gonna get 100% sign off in regards to a franchise QB? Nothing about those two fit nicely together, so while it might screw Jerry type move Garrett would want nothing to do with him in his offense.


Other then that yes, Watt, Smith, and Amukamura are the likely choices. With a wildcard being a top 5 guy who slips like Dareus or Quinn.

[Saints-Tigers]

Well, he's high character, high motor, smart, etc, and he now supposedly has dominant athletic attributes.

Shouldn't he be a lock to go number 1? Shouldn't his on field performance have been Suh like?

Just saying, he's a great player, but he doesn't play with the explosion he tested with.

[LonghornsLegend]

Well, he's high character, high motor, smart, etc, and he now supposedly has dominant athletic attributes.

Shouldn't he be a lock to go number 1? Shouldn't his on field performance have been Suh like?

Just saying, he's a great player, but he doesn't play with the explosion he tested with.


Where do you think he should be drafted then, with what he looked like on the field?

[ElectricEye]

He was an explosive player on the field. He's just not an elite pass rusher. Playing style can't completely be broken down by measurables and triangle numbers. He doesn't have to be an elite pass rusher either given his skill set. Still plays up to the numbers and effects the game every single play.

[TACKLE]

Well, he's high character, high motor, smart, etc, and he now supposedly has dominant athletic attributes.

Shouldn't he be a lock to go number 1? Shouldn't his on field performance have been Suh like?

Just saying, he's a great player, but he doesn't play with the explosion he tested with.

On the field, he was easily among the top 3-4 best defensive lineman in college football this past season along with Fairley, Bowers and Kerrigan.

[Saints-Tigers]

10-20. Good production, strong character, nice workouts, all around solid prospect.

[Babylon]

Lol you've got to let that Cam Newton stuff go man. Jason Garrett would blow a gasket if he was the QB. You don't think he's gonna get 100% sign off in regards to a franchise QB? Nothing about those two fit nicely together, so while it might screw Jerry type move Garrett would want nothing to do with him in his offense.


Other then that yes, Watt, Smith, and Amukamura are the likely choices. With a wildcard being a top 5 guy who slips like Dareus or Quinn.

I'm not a Cam Newton fan but there have been rumors of his interest from the Cowboys. I personally wouldnt take him.

My take on that pick is it sort of dictates where some other guys like Watt and Cam Jordan may fall too.

[Babylon]

Well, he's high character, high motor, smart, etc, and he now supposedly has dominant athletic attributes.

Shouldn't he be a lock to go number 1? Shouldn't his on field performance have been Suh like?

Just saying, he's a great player, but he doesn't play with the explosion he tested with.

He went up against some tough O-linemen in the big-10, guys like Riley Reiff and Mike Adams and still stood out. Personally i would feel comfortable anywhere outside the top 5 but maybe i'm alone in that belief.

[LonghornsLegend]

I'm not a Cam Newton fan but there have been rumors of his interest from the Cowboys. I personally wouldnt take him.

My take on that pick is it sort of dictates where some other guys like Watt and Cam Jordan may fall too.


Exactly. Now where are these rumors of interest that have us linked to Prince, or Watt, Cam Jordan, any of the realistic prospects we might draft? There are none. The only thing that leaks this early is the exact opposite of what you want to do. I have no idea if we are leaning DL, OL, CB, bpa, but it's pretty telling that the only thing that's leaked is how much we like Newton.


If your Dallas, you absolutely want both QB's going top 10 to make your board even stronger by pick 9, all that does is make the pickings slimmer if no QB's are gone by then.

[Saints-Tigers]

I just think if someone thinks he's an elite athlete with elite character and elite technique, why wouldn't he be the top of the draft? Can you say that about any other player?

Does anyone get what I'm saying? Something isn't adding up.

[D-Unit]

Chris Long is progressing nicely in STL. and was a monster for large parts of this year.
But I think we can agree that it's been a very slow progression. Have that draft today and he doesn't go #2 overall. You can get production like that out of much lower picks.

But back to Watt... I love him as a prospect just as I loved Long. I just share that same fear is all. He could be great and produce like a monster from Day 1 and I wouldn't have put it past him. Everything about him is great. I'm just nitpicking.

[Bengals78]

JJ Watt will absolutely make some 3-4 team extremely happy and a 4-3 team very surprised.

When all is said and done, I really see him inside if he is taken as a 4-3 DL.

Watch him use his hands in the trenches. Very rarely did I ever recall seeing an OL get his hands in on Watt. Being an elite pass rusher is not the only measure of a great DE. Watt locking down the tackle and maybe even a guard will allow Ware a free path to the QB.

If I were the Bengals GM I would trade back, pick up an extra pick or two and grab Watt. I would declare our DL sick.
Watt - Atkins - Peko - Dunlap on running downs
M. Johnson - Atkins - Watt - Dunlap on passing downs

I just think if someone thinks he's an elite athlete with elite character and elite technique, why wouldn't he be the top of the draft? Can you say that about any other player?

Does anyone get what I'm saying? Something isn't adding up.

I get it. Here is the deal:
He has only had roughly 2 years at DL. Before that he was a TE. It really helped his hand work. So he is technically a "project" player. Low risk, High reward.

[Babylon]

Exactly. Now where are these rumors of interest that have us linked to Prince, or Watt, Cam Jordan, any of the realistic prospects we might draft? There are none. The only thing that leaks this early is the exact opposite of what you want to do. I have no idea if we are leaning DL, OL, CB, bpa, but it's pretty telling that the only thing that's leaked is how much we like Newton.


If your Dallas, you absolutely want both QB's going top 10 to make your board even stronger by pick 9, all that does is make the pickings slimmer if no QB's are gone by then.

When it comes from NFLN or ESPN then anything Cam Newton becomes a story. As i said i wouldnt take him.

[ElectricEye]

I just think if someone thinks he's an elite athlete with elite character and elite technique, why wouldn't he be the top of the draft? Can you say that about any other player?

Does anyone get what I'm saying? Something isn't adding up.

But he is. He's likely going as high as the ceiling for a player from his mold will allow. He's a hybrid DE/DT who isn't going to register about 8 sacks a year. Fairley and Daerus are the big interior prizes this year and teams always place a higher value on guys like that. So, combine that with at least a few teams looking for a more pure outside pass rush threat and you have his current draft stock. By most accounts, he's going Top 10 and is the top 3-4 DE available sans Marcell Dareus, who is a bit of a different style of player anyway and might be better in the interior. Just a matter of slotting.

[Bengals78]

But he is. He's likely going as high as the ceiling for a player from his mold will allow. He's a hybrid DE/DT who isn't going to register about 8 sacks a year. Fairley and Daerus are the big interior prizes this year and teams always place a higher value on guys like that. So, combine that with at least a few teams looking for a more pure outside pass rush threat and you have his current draft stock. By most accounts, he's going Top 10 and is the top 3-4 DE available sans Marcell Dareus, who is a bit of a different style of player anyway and might be better in the interior. Just a matter of slotting.

I think he could max out around 10 sacks depending on the scheme and system.
In a 4-3 he could easily get 8 or so and then some "hard work" sacks by virtue of never giving up.
In a 3-4 I never see too many pass rushing DE. But in this situation I think he will "create" A LOT of sacks.

[ElectricEye]

In a 1 gap 4-3 or 3-4, I could easily see him getting more than 10 in a few years. Just not consistently year in and year out.

[Saints-Tigers]

The numbers certainly help his case, I just never watched him play and said "wow, that guy is going to kill it at the combine".

Being a new defensive player is a good thing though, thumbs up. Would love to see him drop to a real team like the Saints.

[Bengals78]

The numbers certainly help his case, I just never watched him play and said "wow, that guy is going to kill it at the combine".

Being a new defensive player is a good thing though, thumbs up. Would love to see him drop to a real team like the Saints.

A real team?
Being relevant for a few years doesn't make you more or less of a real team than the other 31 teams.

[princefielder28]

I think Watt will be taken somewhere between Buffalo at 3 and Washington at 10...he's going to be a Top 10 pick for sure IMO

[LonghornsLegend]

The most sacks Chris Canty had while here in Dallas was 3.5, and he was definately a pass rushing threat as a 3-4 DE, but with that role I don't see many opportunities for a guy to get very many sacks. I think Seymour reached 8 a few times for the Pats, but he was still a guy who was around a 5 sack guy.


Expecting more then 3-5 sacks from a 3-4 DE is unrealistic IMO. Some of the best ones don't even reach 3 sacks.

[Bengals78]

The most sacks Chris Canty had while here in Dallas was 3.5, and he was definately a pass rushing threat as a 3-4 DE, but with that role I don't see many opportunities for a guy to get very many sacks. I think Seymour reached 8 a few times for the Pats, but he was still a guy who was around a 5 sack guy.


Expecting more then 3-5 sacks from a 3-4 DE is unrealistic IMO. Some of the best ones don't even reach 3 sacks.

Very true. I dont expect many sacks if he is a 3-4 DE. I expect him to "create" sacks for Ware.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I think Watt will be taken somewhere between Buffalo at 3 and Washington at 10...he's going to be a Top 10 pick for sure IMO

I don't disagree but if teams prefer guys like Cam Jordan, Kerrigan, Aldon, and even Clayborne he could drop to that mid-later first range.

[BeerBaron]

The most sacks Chris Canty had while here in Dallas was 3.5, and he was definately a pass rushing threat as a 3-4 DE, but with that role I don't see many opportunities for a guy to get very many sacks. I think Seymour reached 8 a few times for the Pats, but he was still a guy who was around a 5 sack guy.


Expecting more then 3-5 sacks from a 3-4 DE is unrealistic IMO. Some of the best ones don't even reach 3 sacks.

Aye. Seymour reached 8 twice with the Pats, both career highs. His career average is just under 5 a year...and to me, he was the best 3-4 DE of the last decade.

Aaron Smith is 2nd best in my mind and he also maxed out at 8 twice, with a career average about the same.

But either of their impacts goes well beyond just sacks. Pressures and tying up blockers for others to make plays can't be measured as easily. 5 sacks is a pretty damn good total for a 3-4 DE in any given year.

[Bengals78]

I don't disagree but if teams prefer lesser guys like Cam Jordan, Kerrigan, Aldon, and even Clayborne he could drop to that mid-kater first range.

Fixed for accuracy

[LonghornsLegend]

Aye. Seymour reached 8 twice with the Pats, both career highs. His career average is just under 5 a year...and to me, he was the best 3-4 DE of the last decade.

Aaron Smith is 2nd best in my mind and he also maxed out at 8 twice, with a career average about the same.

But either of their impacts goes well beyond just sacks. Pressures and tying up blockers for others to make plays can't be measured as easily. 5 sacks is a pretty damn good total for a 3-4 DE in any given year.


Yep, agree with all of this. There are a ton of great 3-4 DE's in the league who barely reach 2 which is why it's hard for some to figure out who is playing well early into their career. I don't think it's realistic to even expect a good 3-4 DE to notch 5 sacks, but I'd gladly take a guy who could and free up space for the pass rushers.

[Bengals78]

I really think JJ is the best white player in the whole draft.

GTFO with that ****

[Bengals78]

i mean really , people say locker is nice, but i think JJ Watt is going to be a pro bowl like Jared Allen.

race is not a factor now get out of this thread

[ElectricEye]

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect 10 sacks a year out of him more than maybe once if he's in a 3-4(That's provided it's a 1 Gap System too) but I think he is at least capable with it. He's a RARE athlete for the position. Does that automatically qualify he to be put up there with the best of them? No. But it does give him(along with Cam Jordan) some distinct advantages as pass rushers. Not something I think is a focal point to his game if he goes to a team like New England though. Then between five and eight a year.

[GB12]

I hope a 3-4 team doesn't snag him. I really think his best fit is as a LDE in a 4-3. Too bad 5 of the teams picking 5th-10th run a 3-4. How about #1 to Carolina?

*I realize that's not happening, but he is better than Bowers.

[D-Unit]

I like Watt a lot, but I'm hesitant to want him at #9 for the Cowboys because in the past, I never thought it was wise to spend a high pick on a 3-4 DE.

How do you guys feel about that?

[LonghornsLegend]

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect 10 sacks a year out of him more than maybe once if he's in a 3-4(That's provided it's a 1 Gap System too) but I think he is at least capable with it. He's a RARE athlete for the position. Does that automatically qualify he to be put up there with the best of them? No. But it does give him(along with Cam Jordan) some distinct advantages as pass rushers. Not something I think is a focal point to his game if he goes to a team like New England though. Then between five and eight a year.


Has a 3-4 DE ever gotten 10 sacks before? I think that's a bit on the ridiculous side and unrealistic. If he can be a consistent 4 sack a year guy and can fend off double teams, he'd probably be a top 5 3-4 DE. I don't see how you can ask for much more. 10 sacks isn't gonna happen in a 3-4.

[BeerBaron]

I like Watt a lot, but I'm hesitant to want him at #9 for the Cowboys because in the past, I never thought it was wise to spend a high pick on a 3-4 DE.

How do you guys feel about that?

10 years ago it would have been downright crazy, but even with the Broncos and Browns switching back to the 4-3, over 1/3 of the league runs some form of the 3-4, putting premiums on the tweener players needed to make it run.

For example, no longer are the Aaron Smith's of the football world falling to round 4.

One could even argue that early 2000s Pats dynasty started by investing a high first rounder in Richard Seymour. He would go on to be the best 3-4 DE of the last decade imo.

[ElectricEye]

I absolutely would provided that they were able to help my team the most. The value system for 3-4 personal is changing with so many teams running it these days. It's no longer an advantage you can sit on during draft day. Some of these bigger defensive tackle hybrid types that would go much lower five years ago are now in high demand, ala Tyson Jackson. This is also a draft of uncommonly talented five techniques. Usually, there's not a guy worth drafting high. There's two of them in this class and many more that are first round caliber players. We're usually lucky to get one or two first round caliber five techniques a year if we're lucky, much less the four we have this year.

[GB12]

Has a 3-4 DE ever gotten 10 sacks before? I think that's a bit on the ridiculous side and unrealistic. If he can be a consistent 4 sack a year guy and can fend off double teams, he'd probably be a top 5 3-4 DE. I don't see how you can ask for much more. 10 sacks isn't gonna happen in a 3-4.

It has happened at least 13 times if Bruce Smith counts.

But yeah, can't think of any others.

[87Canes]

I really don't see what so special about JJ Watt. He's nothing more than another Adam Carriker. He's got a motor for a guy as big as he is but that's it.

He's got no technique or moves but he does play the run faitly well because of his motor.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I like Watt a lot, but I'm hesitant to want him at #9 for the Cowboys because in the past, I never thought it was wise to spend a high pick on a 3-4 DE.

How do you guys feel about that?

I think the value for you is just right at #9, but since 5 tech DE's are some of the deepest in this draft class I think you would be better off going with a 34 backer or DB as in the 2nd round a starting caliber 5 tech is bound to drop to you, for example someone like Mo Wilkerson.

[nikkayeah]

The most sacks Chris Canty had while here in Dallas was 3.5, and he was definately a pass rushing threat as a 3-4 DE, but with that role I don't see many opportunities for a guy to get very many sacks. I think Seymour reached 8 a few times for the Pats, but he was still a guy who was around a 5 sack guy.


Expecting more then 3-5 sacks from a 3-4 DE is unrealistic IMO. Some of the best ones don't even reach 3 sacks.

check out justin smith's stat sheet. 7, 6, and 8.5 sacks the last 3 seasons.

[BeerBaron]

It has happened at least 13 times if Bruce Smith counts.

But yeah, can't think of any others.

I don't think I'd count Smith as his was always in a hybrid role that allowed him to play more as a 4-3 end in a 3-man front.

Going off of guys in the more standard 3-4 mostly run nowadays, Justin Smith had 8.5 for the 49ers last year...most I can think of. Seymour and Aaron Smith both had 8 twice each for career highs.

There might be some random outlier you wouldn't think of who got 10, but 8 seems like the really high end for 3-4 DEs.

But like I've said above, their sack numbers alone aren't a good way of judging their success since their greatest impact often comes from occupying multiple blockers allowing their linebackers to make sacks.

[D-Unit]

But like I've said above, their sack numbers alone aren't a good way of judging their success since their greatest impact often comes from occupying multiple blockers allowing their linebackers to make sacks.
This is what I think. What I'm not convinced of is whether Watt actually WILL not just occupy, but demand a double team. Same goes for Cam Jordan. Are these guys going to command double teams and open it up for the LBs?

[ElectricEye]

If I had to take a guess, I would say you'll start to see those totals climb just a bit. Teams are putting a premium on five techniques these days and the calling for superior athletes at the position is starting to come to fruition. Not saying we're going to see the nature of the position change or anything, but when you've got the footspeed improving for these guys you're going to see them get to the quarterback a bit more frequently on broken plays.

[ElectricEye]

RedSkinsWarrior confirmed for being a 13 year old boy once and for all. Pretty sure anyway.

[LonghornsLegend]

It has happened at least 13 times if Bruce Smith counts.

But yeah, can't think of any others.



Who were some of the guys? I honestly don't know any and would be curious to know, but I guess it makes you look cooler to try and be the smart ass though. I also still think 13 out of how many 3-4 DE's have been drafted doesn't make 10 something alot of them are achieving.

[GB12]

Who were some of the guys? I honestly don't know any and would be curious to know, but I guess it makes you look cooler to try and be the smart ass though. I also still think 13 out of how many 3-4 DE's have been drafted doesn't make 10 something alot of them are achieving.

Woah, easy there buddy. You clearly misunderstood what I said.

Bruce Smith got double digit sacks 13 times. If he counts it has happened at least 13 times. I said at least because I couldn't think of any others, but that still leaves it open if there are.

[LonghornsLegend]

Woah, easy there buddy. You clearly misunderstood what I said.

Bruce Smith got double digit sacks 13 times. If he counts it has happened at least 13 times. I said at least because I couldn't think of any others, but that still leaves it open if there are.

Oh ok my bad man. I read your post wrong, so knowing that I still think it's extremely lofty expectations to expect Watt to pull in those type of sack totals. I am usually 1 of the guys who like to take these guys later on, but Watt showed he might be one of those difference makers.


If someone had to compare him with Tyson Jackson, who is the better end prospect?

[BeerBaron]

Jackson has been very meh in the pros...even losing his starting job last year. As prospects, they are probably on the same, end of the top 10/early teens level, but Jackson got pushed up due to need and Scott Pioli's love for 3-4 ends.

[AntoinCD]

Oh ok my bad man. I read your post wrong, so knowing that I still think it's extremely lofty expectations to expect Watt to pull in those type of sack totals. I am usually 1 of the guys who like to take these guys later on, but Watt showed he might be one of those difference makers.


If someone had to compare him with Tyson Jackson, who is the better end prospect?

In a 34? Im gonna say Watt. Tyson Jackson always struck me as a guy who would be better in a 43 and wes well rounded but not great at anything. I love Watt's violent hands and intensity and think he could be great as a 5 technique. His best fit would probably come in an attacking odd front like Dallas or San Diego IMO

[CC.SD]

http://www.photospin.com/content/photos/full/0510015.jpg

[no bare feet]

http://www.photospin.com/content/photos/full/0510015.jpg

He won't last to the lowly Chaahjezzz

[CC.SD]

He won't last to the lowly Chaahjezzz

There's a smidgeon of irony in that statement.

I think he will, he won't beat out the top 2 DTs and it's tough to see him passing Bowers Quinn, Miller, Jordan...there's a lot of scenarios where he gets to 18 IMO.

[Bengals78]

There's a smidgeon of irony in that statement.

I think he will, he won't beat out the top 2 DTs and it's tough to see him passing Bowers Quinn, Miller, Jordan...there's a lot of scenarios where he gets to 18 IMO.

And 0 outside of CC land.

[keylime_5]

I think Watt will be taken somewhere between Buffalo at 3 and Washington at 10...he's going to be a Top 10 pick for sure IMO

he should be, but I don't think he will because of the ridiculous defensive line talent this year. Fairley, Dareus, Bowers, and Quinn I think will go before him (though those are all very different types of players) and 4-3 teams might not have him as high on their boards to take him in the top 10.

It is curious where Watt fits on a team like St.Louis or Minnesota or Jacksonville who could use a DE with their pick, but how many teams use 6'6"/295 base ends and run a 4 man front that wants athletic speed rushers like St.Louis and Minnesota do?. I think teams like New England and San Diego could get a top 10 talent to fall to them at 17/18 if 4-3 teams don't rate Jordan and Watt as highly on their boards.

IMO St.Louis or Minnesota will snag him to play LDE in their front. He's quick enough to play in a 4 man front from what I've seen, though he's a perfect 5 tech.